[00:00] <tomreyn> granttrec: https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[00:00] <granttrec> tomreyn: that makes sense, thanks mate
[00:02] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437: okay, i checked the chat log, you said you used the server live installer 18.04.1
[00:03] <tomreyn> so, it should have written the 1 ther ein the first place. i guess it's another bug in it. i'll try to reproduce this soon.
[00:05] <qwebirc41437> tomreyn: affirm
[00:05] <qwebirc41437> tomreyn: fstab & mdadm.conf should be correct
[00:06] <qwebirc41437> tomreyn: do I still need to update-initrmfs -u
[00:07] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437: yes, but this is not the right options
[00:08] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437: update-initrmfs -k all -u
[00:08] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437: actually better use -c
[00:08] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437: update-initrmfs -k all -c
[00:09] <qwebirc41437> tomreyn: done
[00:09] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437:normally, an /etc/fstab file created by the ubuntu installer (at leats the old one), would haver had some comments on top. did you maybe edit these or could it be that werbmin removed them?
[00:09] <qwebirc41437> fresh install, so no webmin
[00:10] <qwebirc41437> tomreyn: no edits by me either
[00:10] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437: okay i must have mixed that up about webmin, sorry
[00:11] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437: i *think* we're good.
[00:11] <qwebirc41437> tomreyn: no you were correct, but after my first reboot, I reinstalled 18.04.1 again
[00:11] <tomreyn> i see
[00:12] <qwebirc41437> tomreyn: we are good. thank you more than you know. anywhere I can leave you some karma?
[00:13] <tomreyn> is this edible?
[00:13] <qwebirc41437> could be
[00:13] <tomreyn> ;) no thanks
[00:14] <tomreyn> just do yourself, your projects, me, and the world a favor and try to get rid of webmin
[00:14] <qwebirc41437> done
[00:14] <tomreyn> + learn your ways on he temrinal. break things more, and repair them.
[00:15] <qwebirc41437> it's easy (summer time), but I start school again in two weeks. then I don't have time to break things
[00:15] <qwebirc41437> correction - I don't have time to fix them
[00:17] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437: hehe. well, you can do it in some coring nights in winter. get a cheap system-on-chip computer (like a raspi, but not a raspi, but something that runs proper ubuntu) and train there. or just a cheap VM in the cloud or on your desktop computer.
[00:17] <tomreyn> *[b]oring
[00:18] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437: now, does it boot fine?
[00:18] <granttrec> what depency solver do you guys use? aptitude just saved my life
[00:18] <tomreyn> granttrec: this channel is not good at polls. apt works fine.
[00:20] <granttrec> tomreyn: my bad just wanted know about others, aspcud is also great
[00:20] <sonicwind> granttrec, check out #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:25] <qwebirc41437> tomreyn: booted fine, thanks to you
[00:25] <Tin_man> faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall building with a single bound, it's Apt.
[00:27] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437: glad to hear this! :)
[00:30] <tomreyn> qwebirc41437: did you do manualpartitioning on the installer, or just the guided installation?
[00:32] <dff> does ubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso include an install option for cinnamon as the GUI?
[00:34] <adrian_1908> dff: The iso will install Gnome by default and not contain Cinnamon within the image. You can download and install Cinnamon as a package afterwards though.
[00:34] <tomreyn> dff: i dont think so, but you can install it after the installation finishes and the default ubuntu system has booted: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-cinnamon-desktop-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[00:35] <dff> tomreyn and adrian_1908, might i not just install it was console only and after that install cinnamon?
[00:36] <dff> s/was/with
[00:37] <adrian_1908> dff: Not sure. You could in theory use the Ubuntu server and build things up from there, but I don't know how limited Ubuntu server is as a Desktop out of the box.
[00:38] <adrian_1908> Never done it, maybe someone else has experience with doing it that way.
[00:38] <dff> is it possible to completely get rid of gnome?
[00:38] <dff> with all the dependencies and stuff
[00:38] <dff> after the initial install
[00:39] <adrian_1908> No idea, I use Xubuntu.
[00:39] <dff> actually, cant i build my own iso that has cinnamon instead of gnome
[00:41] <tomreyn> dff: either works.
[00:42] <dff> it's been ages since i did that last, could you point me in the right direction, tomreyn?
[00:43] <tomreyn> dff: the same. there's this but i'm not sure if it still works, or which installer it would work with: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[00:43] <dff> apt live-build
[00:43] <dff> or something
[00:44] <tomreyn> dff: this guide is based on what is now known as the alternate server installer
[00:46] <dff> tomreyn: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man7/live-build.7.html
[00:46] <dff> found it :)
[00:49] <tomreyn> dff: i haven't used this one, but it seems to be about building live cds primarily.
[00:49] <tomreyn> my understanding is you plan to create a eprsistent installation.
[00:49] <xjkx> what can I use for recursively permission changing in a graphical way? Nautilus proprieties in a folder lets me change the owner, but the files inside it are untouched, something like chown -R owner:group R Folder/* isnt something that can be done in GUI?
[00:50] <dff> tomreyn: you can install from live cds cant you?
[00:50] <tomreyn> xjkx: you can, from ubuntu installer/live cd's yes.
[00:52] <tomreyn> xjkx: i would assume that this functionality is not exposed on the GUI on purpose.
[00:52] <tomreyn> to prevent mishaps
[00:52] <dff> tomreyn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeDistroHowto
[00:52] <dff> Tools for building distro, The easiest way to build your own distro is to use Ubuntu live CD and customize it to your needs.
[00:53] <xjkx> tomreyn: alright, thanks
[00:55] <tomreyn> dff: i don't think DerivativeDistroHowto still discusses the current way of doing things technically (but maybe organizationally).
[00:55] <dff> found something else
[00:55] <dff> To customize a clean .iso from the command line You can use the 'Ubuntu Customization Kit'
[00:56] <Woodpecker> Is it safe to  delete a swapfile for space?
[00:56] <dff> th package is called uck
[00:56] <Woodpecker> I can't boot into Ubuntu an... And I need to free up some space.
[00:56] <duck_whisperer> Does anyone here know about the debmirror tool? I need to mirror a the apt repos to my local network, but the example debmirror script is not working. I am wondering if the tool is still supported in Ubuntu 16.04
[00:56] <dff> and this aswell https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-builder
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[00:58] <tomreyn> Woodpecker: if you don't mind loosing the functionality, you can remove the swap file (and remove the reference to it off /etc/fstab). i'd look into other options for freeing space first, though.
[00:58] <dff> found another gui application, Custom Ubuntu ISO Creator
[00:58] <Woodpecker> Thankt
[01:00] <dff> tomreyn: if you are interest i found i pretty sweet step by step guide, https://askubuntu.com/questions/741753/how-to-use-cubic-to-create-a-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-image
[01:04] <tomreyn> dff: nice, i didn't know this. apparently it's still maintained. https://launchpad.net/~cubic-wizard/+archive/ubuntu/release
[01:10] <jayjo_> does anyone know how I can remap the eject key on a keyboard to do nothign?
[01:11] <tomreyn> what happens when you press it now?
[01:11] <dff> Topic
[01:11] <jayjo_> it opens the disc drive
[01:11] <jayjo_> it's right above my delete key, so I accidentally hit it often
[01:12] <dff> why am i getting this error when running the command with --allow-unauthenticated?
[01:12] <dff> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3d1cfee7/
[01:14] <tomreyn> jayjo_: oh, i assumed you were on an airplane. try this then https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/keyboard-shortcuts-set.html.en
[01:15] <tomreyn> also this https://askubuntu.com/questions/296155/how-can-i-remap-keyboard-keys
[01:15] <jayjo_> tomreyn: oh goodness... backspace to clear the shortcut worked.
[01:16] <tomreyn> !yay | jayjo_
[01:16] <OICU812> lol, on an airplane
[01:18] <tomreyn> dff: try with apt-get
[01:18] <dff> same result tomreyn
[01:19] <dff> i tried adding [trusted=yes] in /etc/apt/sources.list to
[01:19] <dff> and all the other variants of that parameter i could find
[01:22] <tomreyn> dff: hmm that's unexpected to me, too. which ubuntu release is this?
[01:26] <hfp> Hi, how can I slow down my trackball in Ubuntu and i3wm using the command line? I tried with xset m 1/100 4 but it doesn't make any difference
[01:29] <jayjo_> any idea how to move my clock to the right on gdm3 ubuntu 1804?
[01:30] <jayjo_> on the toolbar now it's in the middle
[01:31] <qwebirc60227> tomreyn: you asked earlier if I had used manual or automatic for the 18.04.1 installer, I tried the first time with manual and the second I went with automatic
[01:32] <tomreyn> qwebirc60227: thanks
[01:33] <qwebirc60227> tomreyn: earlier versions (12.04 I think) had an option under manual to restore/update current installation. 18.04.1 doesn't
[01:33] <Tin_man> jayjo_, might look here, didn't read it all but looks like some 3rd party type fix.. >>>https://askubuntu.com/questions/960597/how-do-i-move-clock-to-the-right-end-of-gnome-3-panel-from-the-middle
[01:35] <tomreyn> qwebirc60227: hmm i think it does have the option of not formatting partitions
[01:36] <qwebirc60227> tomreyn: it might, but I couldn't move on from that installation screen until I partitioned the boot drive again
[01:37] <tomreyn> qwebirc60227: partitioned or formatted?
[01:37] <qwebirc60227> tomreyn: pretty sure partitioned
[01:37] <tomreyn> qwebirc60227: oh right we're talking about the server-live-installer. you'd need to use the alternate installer then
[01:38] <dedze> Hello, my webcam isn't working anymore and I would need help to figure it out please. I'm on ubuntu 16.04. It used to work a few days ago. I already try restarting my laptop and when I so sudo lsof /dev/video*, it gives this result : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2YT2T8MyR4/
[01:41] <Tin_man> dedze, do you have another webcam to try out? that would help.
[01:41] <dedze> Tin_man: I might, let me check
[01:42] <dedze> Tin_man: BTW it's a built in webcam
[01:42] <Tin_man> ahh, that's a bummer.
[01:42] <Tin_man> but if another works, then it's hardware, more than likely
[01:44] <dedze> Tin_man: :((((((
[01:44] <Tin_man> i agree
[01:45] <Tin_man> my laptop doesn't have a built in.. so I'm not familiar with the inner workings..
[01:46] <dedze> Tin_man: The hp webcam works. I'm never ever buying lenovo anymore. Less than 2 years, the screen broke because of the bad quality of the plastic and now the webcam lmao
[01:46] <dedze> Thanks for your help :p
[01:46] <Tin_man> bummer, i've kind of heard similar from others
[01:47] <dedze> Medion, lenovo, bad brands
[01:47] <dedze> Hahaha have a good evening/night/morning Tin_man
[01:47] <Tin_man> maybe it will start working again.. :)
[01:49] <dedze> That would be great hahaha
[01:49] <swift110> lol I am about to get a w530
[01:51] <texla> Need help fixing overlapping partitions
[01:58] <donofrio> what does the boot pausing stating "A start job is running for Raise network interfaces (4min 13s / 5m 1s)"
[01:59] <leftyfb> donofrio: it means your machine isn't getting an ip address
[01:59] <leftyfb> the timeout is set to 5 minutes
[01:59] <donofrio> it's wifi....
[01:59] <leftyfb> sure
[02:05] <craigbass76> I installed ubuntu studio 18. How different is this than regular ubuntu? I've got openssh-server installed, but i twon't start. ssh.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'
[02:06] <danieru98> craigbass76, try #ubuntustudio
[02:07] <craigbass76> danieru98, Nope, it's this line in sshd_config : AllowUsers craig@*, amanda@192.168.199.0/24, sam@192.168.199.0/24, nate@192.168.199.0/24
[02:08] <craigbass76> At last I know now. ssh, not ubuntu...
[02:08] <craigbass76> Should haev tried that first... toodles
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[02:19] <Eickmeyer> danieru98: The issue isn't specific enough to Ubuntu Studio. Since it's just a slightly customized Ubuntu, low-level stuff like that applies here, which is where we usually send people for things not specific to Studio.
[02:20] <danieru98> oh
[02:35] <tomreyn> qwebirc60227: i think we were discussing bug 1680245 earlier - subiuquity is the installer software of the ubuntu-server-live-installer
[02:37] <qwebirc60227> tomreyn: thanks, I'll take a look
[02:37] <qwebirc60227> tomreyn: and I doubt I'll be impatient next time and do a fresh boot. Far better to wait for upgrade
[02:40] <tomreyn> qwebirc60227: well, fresh installations can make much sense. maybe this installer is still too young, though. i also filed bugs #1785354 and #1785356 as a result of what we did today.
[02:41] <qwebirc60227> tomreyn: yeah, that one was odd, never seen it a zero for boot drive, so I didn't even think to look
[02:46] <quiltbitch> I am trying to use ddrescue to recover hard drive. already have an image but when I mount it or copy the iamge to a new hard drive i am unable to view all contents/files
[02:47] <quiltbitch> any help?
[02:47] <quiltbitch> I get errors like "This location could not be displayed"
[02:48] <quiltbitch> Any help?
[02:49] <tomreyn> quiltbitch: if you imaged a full drive with a partition table on it then you should use kpartx or similar utilities to interpret the partition table and gain access to the partitions on it.
[02:50] <tomreyn> quiltbitch: i do not understand which command / process exactly returns the "This location could not be displayed" error message, though.
[02:54] <tomreyn> quiltbitch: it appears this error message is retruned by nautilus, gnome's (graphical) file browser. i would very much recommend to do any kind of data recovery on a terminal, so that you'll know what exactly failed when something fails, and can get better feedback.
[02:54] <tomreyn> :-/
[03:10] <leon> what is this chanel, is someone here?
[03:11] <coz_> yep
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[03:11] <coz_> leon,  this ubuntu support
[03:12] <leon> oh, sounds great
[03:35] <megmanx9> Hello
[03:38] <megmanx9> anyone ?
[03:38] <megmanx9> ave Nvidia 5200m. and using the additional driver from Nvidia. I want to only use Intel GPU and turn-off Nvidia. I try to do this with " prime-select intel " all is okay. but when system reboot KDE not working and Only Show Me a black screen with mouse cursor.
[03:43] <jealer> anyone here?
[04:21] <ulysses> Hello, does anyone know if Ubuntu will run well on a 2017 Macbook Air?
[04:36] <jk^> !info screenshot
[04:37] <jk^> !info take screenshot
[04:43] <tomreyn> !screenshot | jk^
[04:50] <madmangun> @jk - I'm using screenshot tool from gnome extensions.  You can also save directly to imgur with the extension.
[05:22] <irckat> is youtube-dl free software?
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[05:26] <irckat> iss youtube-dl free software?
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> irckat: packages from the ubuntu repos you can download free
[05:29] <irckat> I mean license
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> irckat: public domain
[05:31] <irckat> So why Ubuntu repos says youtube-dl is proprietary ?
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> irckat: https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/blob/master/LICENSE
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> irckat: why do you need to know, what are you planning to do exactly?
[05:34] <irckat> ok, I see Thank you
[05:35] <irckat> Just ask
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[06:12] <Dreaman> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ uname -a
[06:12] <Dreaman> Linux ubuntu-ivan 4.17.12-041712-generic #201808030231 SMP Fri Aug 3 06:34:11 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:12] <Dreaman> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$
[06:13] <Dreaman> :)
[06:13] <hacker__> Thanks.
[06:28] <dff> tomreyn: it's 18.04, virtualised with kvm
[06:30] <raidensnake> got a new issue
[06:30] <raidensnake> if I do a clean install of 18.04 I get a kernel failure on startup
[06:30] <raidensnake> gave up onm suspend/resume device
[06:31] <raidensnake> gave up on*
[06:33] <snpresent> hi
[06:33] <IAmH2L> hey! how is everyone?
[06:33] <snpresent> dead
[06:34] <IAmH2L> same
[06:35] <coldice> Hello, Xenial, how can I get the package libsss-nss-idmap-dev with version >=1.15.2? Is there any PPA for it?
[06:37] <coldice> Guess I'm a bit to new.... PPA tjormola/samba-unstable had the SSSD package, didn't reliaze it also included dev packages... solved it!
[06:38] <raidensnake> any idea why I get the gave up on suspend/resume device?
[06:41] <MarchHare> Anyone have any experience getting ibus-anthy working for japanese IME Romanji input?
[06:41] <MarchHare> Most of the sources I keep finding are older or don't seem to work
[06:46] <qwebirc69505> help
[06:48] <JoseyWales> ?
[06:49] <dff> qwebirc69505: you wont get any unless you read the topic
[06:49] <dff> (and follow it)
[06:51] <raidensnake> it's annoying 18.04 won't start
[06:51] <JoseyWales> It's probably because of sysd
[06:51] <guiverc_d> qwebirc69505, ask your question (keeping to a single line) and be patient, and if someone knows how to answer your Ubuntu Support question - they will.  please ba patient in waiting for an answer; people do other things...
[06:52] <JoseyWales> ... or uefi.
[07:20] <new2ubuntu> I have Harman Kardon quad speakers in an ASUS laptop running Ubuntu.  Two speakers are at constant 100%, while remaining two speakers are controlled by system volume.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?
[07:24] <ledeni> new2ubuntu, check in terminal 'alsamixer' and see you could set all speakers to volume you want
[07:30] <new2ubuntu> ledeni, when I adjust Master, it has the effect of changing volume via buttons (two speakers seem to drop out).  Changing Speaker volume seems to do nothing.  Changing PCM bring all speakers up and down (success!).  Can I map my hotkeys/buttons to change the PCM level instead of the Master level?
[07:32] <ledeni> new2ubuntu, i don't know sorry
[07:33] <new2ubuntu> All good.  Thanks for pointing me in a direction, nonetheless!
[07:34] <EriC^> new2ubuntu: maybe xbindkeys can help
[07:38] <new2ubuntu> Looking into that now. :)
[07:41] <raidensnake> it's annoying I have to compile and install a custom kernel to get 18.04 to work
[07:43] <new2ubuntu> I have had to do quite a few things, so far.  I was saving compiling a kernel as an absolute last resort.
[07:46] <new2ubuntu> It looks like xbindkeys would be more for setting those keys to run alsamixer in a terminal like a shortcut.  Getting closer.  Is there a console that only shows how the system recognizes keys?  If there were a way to see how those keys were recognized, then edit some config file to reassign those keys to adjust PCM volume instead of Master volume, that would do the trick.  If it were actually that easy, that would also be a plus.
[07:47] <EriC^> new2ubuntu: "xev" might show how they're being interpreted
[07:52] <new2ubuntu> Both volume buttons return identical values.
[07:53] <new2ubuntu> Interesting output, though I have no clue what I'm looking at.  Add it to the Google list.
[07:57] <EriC^> new2ubuntu: i think those buttons aren't normal ones, they have to do with some acpi function stuff or something
[07:57] <EriC^> new2ubuntu: i think however xbindkeys can read them, and you can assign a command to run when they're pressed
[07:58] <EriC^> new2ubuntu: like XF86AudioLowerVolume assigned to some command
[07:59] <new2ubuntu> AH!
[08:00] <ducasse> if you get a keysym like XF86AudioLowerVolume, then i think it's just a normal key, handled by software
[08:01] <new2ubuntu> By the by, showkey -k shows the key numbers, for future reference.  And you're right, EriC, these are keys 114 and 115.  Not standard.
[08:02] <EriC^> new2ubuntu: aha
[08:04] <EriC^> new2ubuntu: try 'xbindkeys -k' then press the key
[08:05] <EriC^> new2ubuntu: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xbindkeys
[08:07] <new2ubuntu> The xbindkeys -k command threw an error, so I'll check back in after I check out that link
[08:07] <new2ubuntu> aha.  Didn't create the blank file
[08:12] <qwebirc76856> hey guys!
[08:13] <qwebirc76856> I upgraded from LTS 16.04 to LTS 18.04 and it seems like texlive is screwing me hard with unmet depencies
[08:14] <qwebirc76856> i tried also this ( https://askubuntu.com/questions/336795/ubuntu-fix-dependency-problems ) but no success
[08:14] <qwebirc76856> :(
[08:14] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: What dependency issues is it complaining about?  Can you pastebin it so we can see?
[08:14] <qwebirc76856> I am allowed to pastebin the whole error message here?
[08:15] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: use a pastebin, not in the channel, but yes.
[08:15] <qwebirc76856> gotcha, one sec
[08:15] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: https://paste.ubuntu.com/ will work, or whatever else is fine
[08:17] <qwebirc76856> https://pastebin.com/kkD2DhRK
[08:18] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: Alright, can you please pastebin the output of `sudo apt-get update`
[08:19] <qwebirc76856> here we go https://pastebin.com/j54tJ6Tr
[08:23] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: Alright.  For the record, looks like you've still got some xenial PPAs in there.  But as far as I can tell, none of them are TeX related.  So, lets just cut to the chase.  Can you please pastebin the output of:
[08:25] <Flannel> `apt-cache policy context texlive texlive-binaries texlive-latex-base texlive-base texlive-metapost fonts-freefont latex-cjk-common texlive-science tipa fragmaster dvipng`
[08:26] <qwebirc76856> https://pastebin.com/MhbzLNkg
[08:31] <qwebirc76856> does policy option show you the installed version vs remote version on the server?
[08:32] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: It shows what versions you have in your cache, including what's installed, and also the priority of each.
[08:32] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: What does `sudo apt-get install texlive-binaries` get you?
[08:32] <qwebirc76856> ah interesting
[08:33] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: You seem to have half of xenial installed and half of bionic.
[08:33] <Flannel> for tex stuff, anyway.
[08:34] <qwebirc76856> https://pastebin.com/bW2NmW4y
[08:35] <qwebirc76856> thx for mentioning that the PPA is still xenial, I may will change that after the texlive problem?
[08:35] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: ok, lets do `apt-cache policy libtexenc1 libkpathsea6 libfontconfig1 libharfbuzz0b texlive-base texlive-lang-japanese`
[08:35] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: Yeah, lets handle one problem at a time.
[08:36] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: also pastebin (can be the same one) `apt-cache policy libxml-libxml-perl perl`
[08:36] <qwebirc76856> https://pastebin.com/pvW9DYWX
[08:37] <qwebirc76856> and https://pastebin.com/8Dq8twv9
[08:38] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: ok, so perl is also old.  What happened during your upgrade?
[08:38] <qwebirc76856> btw I have run dpkg --configure -a and tried to remove libxml via dpkg
[08:39] <qwebirc76856> I suppoe that the upgrade was canceling due the texlive depencies conflict
[08:39] <qwebirc76856> is that possible?
[08:39] <Flannel> I haven't seen any dependency conflicts yet.  Just a half-upgraded thing.
[08:40] <Flannel> I mean, it is possible that you had upgrade issues, but usually they're caused by somethign else.
[08:40] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: Just for kicks, lets try upgrading perl.  And if that doesn't work, we'll walk back and start focusing on the larger issue that may be lurking.
[08:40] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: `sudo apt-get install perl`
[08:41] <qwebirc76856> I am afraid I cant install new packages... https://pastebin.com/n2LRra6k
[08:42] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: Yeah, ok.  and `sudo apt-get -f install` doesn't fix it, yes?
[08:42] <qwebirc76856> excactly
[08:42] <qwebirc76856> how badly I am screwed from 1 to 10?
[08:44] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: Don't panic yet.  Do you have any files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ?
[08:44] <qwebirc76856> nope
[08:46] <qwebirc76856> no panic here, errors are a good base to learn more about the system :)
[08:46] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: ok, lets see if we can't just start removing some of the Texlive packages.  Although the perl thing.... but we'll see if we even have that as an option or if it's going to freak out.  `sudo apt-get remove texlive-latex-base`
[08:47] <qwebirc76856> I've tried that before. I cant remove it
[08:47] <qwebirc76856> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[08:52] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: Ok, lets... just make sure we're not missing something that's actually wrong with the repositories.  What does `sudo apt-get check` get you?
[08:53] <qwebirc76856> thank you for your effort!
[08:53] <qwebirc76856> https://pastebin.com/S7CfD56c
[08:56] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: So, at this point, I'm not sure there's anything we can do that's "nice".  It's time to bring out the big guns.  But also the point where things might start getting weird.  So, just to be safe (since destroying your packages shouldn't delete your data, even if you somehow cause the system to stop booting), do you need to make any backups of things? :)
[08:56] <qwebirc76856> I am ready for rumble
[08:56] <qwebirc76856> :-D
[08:57] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: Basically, what I think we're going to end up doing is using dpkg to manually remove (and we'll have to "force" sometimes) the packages that are still stuck with xenial.  We SHOULD be able to then reinstall them with apt, and they should behave fine.
[08:57] <Flannel> I just don't know how "far down" we'll need to go.
[08:58] <qwebirc76856> ok! I have tried to dpkg remove the packages which caused problems (according to dpkg --configure -a)
[09:00] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: dpkg understands dependencies, so it won't /normally/ remove things that apt wouldn't.  But you can force it to do things (and even if that'll break other things, like dependency chains, etc)
[09:00] <Flannel> which is why things might get hairy
[09:00] <qwebirc76856> ah ok, I guess I didnt use the force option
[09:01] <qwebirc76856> may the force be with me
[09:01] <n17r4m> what's up?
[09:02] <n17r4m> package fiasco?
[09:02] <bastetx> not much
[09:02] <Flannel> n17r4m: looks like a system that somehow managed to half-upgrade and won't finish upgrading naturally.
[09:03] <n17r4m> apt-get -f install doesn't work?
[09:05] <qwebirc76856> doesnt work
[09:05] <qwebirc76856> I wasnt able to remove or purge the packages
[09:06] <qwebirc76856> https://pastebin.com/S7CfD56c
[09:09] <qwebirc76856> so should we force remove things?
[09:09] <n17r4m> have you tried re-adding texlive-binaries and texlive-base-bin ?
[09:09] <n17r4m> or are you trying to purge these things?
[09:11] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: anyway, with `dpkg --force-depends -r [package]`  You should be able to remove packages even if they don't have satisfied dependencies.  I recommend first trying to remove all of the packages listed in your first pastebin (https://pastebin.com/kkD2DhRK), that is the stuff to the left of the colons.  Not necessarily the stuff on the right (although that may be in the next round)
[09:11] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: We're just trying to remove broken packages enough to let apt do its thing.
[09:12] <n17r4m> alternatively, texlive-base I think, maybe, is the meta-package that would add in the missing dependencies..
[09:12] <geirha> did you have any ppa with texlive packages before upgrading? the upgrade process disable such ppas
[09:12] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: I also would do a single package at a time, just so things go slowly.
[09:12] <Flannel> n17r4m: At this point, all apt does is complain about being broken.
[09:13] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: (so, 'left side' would be `libxml-libxml-perl`, but `perl` would stay, etc) (line 71/72)
[09:15] <qwebirc76856> ok
[09:15] <qwebirc76856> I will start with 'dpkg --force-depends -r libxml' ? just to be sure
[09:15] <geirha> if you are lucky, the ppa has packages for 18.04 too, so re-enabling the ppa should fix things
[09:17] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: libxml-libxml-perl would be one package, I don't see `libxml` on that page
[09:17] <qwebirc76856> ah ok!
[09:17] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: It's certainly an odd name, but I who knows.
[09:19] <qwebirc76856> seems like I can remove it
[09:19] <qwebirc76856> https://pastebin.com/FdqqQkys
[09:20] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: Right, good.  Now, do it for all of the packages on that pastebin.  THEN we'll try to stop using force and see if the package state makes more sense.
[09:21] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: also, I guess keep track of the outputs, because each one is going to say "so-and-so depends on [that package you just removed]"
[09:21] <qwebirc76856> can I perform a 'sudo dpkg --force-depends -r texlive*' ?
[09:21] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: that is a valid command.  I'm not sure it's wise, but it's valid.
[09:22] <qwebirc76856> so step by step?
[09:22] <Flannel> It's entirely up to you.  You could do texlive-lang*, that might be a bit more scoped.
[09:24] <qwebirc53553> test line!
[09:24] <n17r4m> texlive* would also maybe work..
[09:25] <Flannel> n17r4m: It would remove packages that aren't broken though, like texlive-binaries
[09:26] <qwebirc53553> i'm confused about eeh... 'linux' and their spectrum of distro's
[09:26] <n17r4m> tex, latex, and lyx are some of my favourite packages...
[09:26] <qwebirc76856> mine to, but now they have to disappear :D
[09:26] <n17r4m> wait, but why?
[09:28] <qwebirc53553> i've tried, manjaro, mint, lubuntu, a few others and they all perform somewhat the same on 'live' and as soon as i install it it runs slow af
[09:28] <qwebirc53553> i have only 1 outstanding question to be answered as i'm on my own to solve my techy troubles...
[09:29] <qwebirc76856> n17r4m because of the package fiasco. afterwards I will install it again
[09:29] <qwebirc76856> after force removing texbase it seems like the other packages are gone
[09:30] <n17r4m> maybe no need to install it again then?
[09:30] <qwebirc53553> what is the easiest linux distro for 'windows' hamsters like myself to start fucking around with?
[09:30] <Flannel> qwebirc76856: If you want to see what's still broken, just do an apt-get check, and it'll tell you.
[09:31] <qwebirc53553> well thanks Flannel, that is the first FTR answer i've heard since i had a job as a call-agent
[09:31] <n17r4m> 'gentoo' It is terrifying liberating.
[09:31] <qwebirc53553> as liberation is....
[09:31] <qwebirc53553> sorry, inside humour
[09:32] <qwebirc53553> thanks man, i'll check on it (one more time then *sighs)
[09:32] <Flannel> qwebirc53553: what?
[09:32] <n17r4m> as defined by a brief reading of forums.gentoo.org
[09:32] <Flannel> qwebirc53553: I was talking to qwebirc76856, not you.  You just have similar nicks.
[09:32] <geirha> If it's slow after install, you likely need to install proprietary graphics drivers
[09:33] <qwebirc53553> oh... i thought if get apt anything don't work, why not try 'check' for a change ;)
[09:36] <n17r4m> ubuntu is just a very nice unix. english not so good.
[09:38] <qwebirc53553> linux comedy ain't my strongsuit @n17r4m
[09:40] <qwebirc53553> about the driver 'issue' yes, i've checked that, there's more problems then that, it's packing a i7 for fcks sake
[09:41] <qwebirc53553> it seems i can't auto install the appropriate drivers for geforce 6600gt
[09:41] <qwebirc76856> Flannel, apt-get check gives me no errors
[09:41] <qwebirc53553> also SMART said SELFTEST FAILED
[09:41] <qwebirc53553> on all tests
[09:42] <n17r4m> apt install nvidia-drivers     ?
[09:42] <qwebirc53553> but after fresh boot SMART says it's performing good
[09:42] <qwebirc53553> hold on i'll try everything in order first
[09:43] <n17r4m> repair broken system [y|n]?
[09:43] <qwebirc53553> Y
[09:44] <n17r4m> so, I worked 6 devastating years in tech support.
[09:44] <qwebirc76856> I am sorry n17r4m
[09:45] <n17r4m> And I want to fix your linux problem
[09:45] <qwebirc76856> ^^
[09:45] <n17r4m> ^^
[09:46] <qwebirc76856> so apt-get check throws no errors anymore! what is the next step
[09:46] <n17r4m> when was the last time that you rebooted (don't reboot now)
[09:46] <qwebirc76856> me?
[09:46] <n17r4m> yes
[09:47] <qwebirc76856> maybe some hours ago
[09:47] <n17r4m> you're ubuntu is in a virtual machine?
[09:47] <qwebirc76856> nope
[09:47] <qwebirc76856> dual boot with win 10
[09:48] <n17r4m> ok, so you're typing from a different computer?
[09:48] <qwebirc76856> nope
[09:48] <qwebirc76856> I am on the machine!
[09:48] <n17r4m> oh, switch. nice.
[09:48] <n17r4m> does ubuntu boot into gfx mode?
[09:49] <qwebirc76856> wait, I guess you refering to the other qwebirc
[09:49] <qwebirc76856> haha
[09:49] <n17r4m> ubuntu wins
[09:49] <qwebirc76856> can I change name with /name blah ?
[09:49] <n17r4m> no /NICK blah
[09:50]  * n17r4m oh's
[09:50] <fortless> there, now we sorted something out
[09:50] <p2b> here we go. I am the guy with the package fiasco
[09:50] <fortless> i'll wait my turn
[09:51] <n17r4m> p2b; what's up fortless?
[09:51] <fortless> bro, i'm gonna ditch lubuntu, it's too weird for me
[09:51] <fortless> i've tried ubuntu years back before, maybe that's more "my style"?
[09:51] <n17r4m> too cute for you?
[09:52] <fortless> yeah i guess so
[09:52] <n17r4m> sorry.
[09:53] <fortless> too 'simple' visually, and i think my autism can't handle the duplicate programs for the same purposes like those 'package-managers'
[09:54] <fortless> my mission is to learn linux good enough so i'm not dependable on the road of microsoft's new millenial fuckup 'DaaS'
[09:57] <n17r4m> DaaS is f**************** scary/ tbh
[09:57] <n17r4m> pardon my strong language.
[09:58] <p2b> that f word is impressive long
[10:00] <fortless> yeah i agree
[10:00] <fortless> i mean the scary part off course
[10:00] <fortless> i can fill in so many variables for that 'blank'
[10:01] <fortless> it'll be all 'true' 'positive'
[10:01] <p2b> should I perform a apt-get upgrade now? https://pastebin.com/QAmek5V3
[10:01] <p2b> seems like its the rest of the missing upgrade
[10:02] <fortless> does 'p2b' come from pay to 'be' in corrolation of DaaS?
[10:02] <p2b> nah, its just an old nickname from the 90s
[10:03] <acheronuk> p2b: try dist-upgrade instead of upgrade?
[10:04] <p2b> I performed a dist-upgrade before
[10:04] <p2b> until I got problem with the texlive package
[10:07] <acheronuk> p2b: 'apt-get upgrade' = "New versions of currently installed packages that cannot be upgraded without changing the install status of another package will be left at their current version"
[10:07] <acheronuk> which is why you have '627 not upgraded'
[10:08] <p2b> ok
[10:08] <acheronuk> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/apt-get.8.html
[10:08] <p2b> so I will perform a dist upgrade
[10:09] <acheronuk> p2b: see what it says it will do
[10:10] <acheronuk> if you still have package conflicts, it might not give a great outcome
[10:10] <p2b> I've started the dist upgrade process again, finger crossed
[10:10] <fortless> omfg :'( trying to download a measly 1.8gig ubuntu distro and it's about to take between 9hours-3days!!!!!!!!
[10:11] <fortless> where to check server status?
[10:11] <acheronuk> p2b: also 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is not the same as do-release-upgrade
[10:12] <fortless> it's.... it's... the more i 'try' to work with this linux matter, EVEN MORE FRUSTRATIONS POPPING UP INSTANTLY!
[10:12] <fortless> right now i need Xanax to calm me down working with this
[10:13] <acheronuk> fortless: you could try the torrent. they are usually well seeded
[10:13] <fortless> it only says 'download'
[10:14] <acheronuk> fortless: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[10:14] <fortless> ah, i've looked that over
[10:14] <fortless> my bad
[10:32] <Fortless> back again, connection lost, isp or wi-fi adapter is breaking my balls today!!!
[10:33] <Fortless> it's my topping on all that linux ice-cream problem flavor
[10:39] <p2b> I am back
[10:39] <n17r4m> hi
[10:40] <p2b> upgrade and reboot was successful! thank you flannel n17r4m
[10:40] <n17r4m> how's the split machine running on the ubuntu side?
[10:40] <n17r4m> yay!
[10:42] <p2b> it runs and I am appy
[10:42] <p2b> happy*
[10:42] <p2b> now I just have to install the texlive again
[10:45] <n17r4m> what final program do you want?
[10:47] <p2b> texlive with texstudio
[10:48] <n17r4m> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:49] <p2b> damn, I forgot the source list with the ppa stuff
[10:49] <p2b> I have to change them them to bionic as well
[10:49] <n17r4m> advice from others: lyx vs texstudio..
[10:49] <p2b> its not /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:51] <n17r4m> fffff it's
[10:52] <p2b> pardon?
[10:52] <TJ-> Additional repositories should be added using 'add-apt-repository' or by adding a file manually in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<archive-name>.list
[10:53] <p2b> ah, there it is
[10:53] <p2b> flannel mentioned a command with apt where you were able to get an overview of the PPA sources
[10:54] <n17r4m> does anyone care for language?
[10:55] <n17r4m> Ubuntu included.
[10:56] <TJ-> p2b: maybe "apt-get indextargets" ?
[10:56] <n17r4m> I do.
[10:58] <n17r4m> Being afraid of bearing a community is bad. lol.
[11:00] <n17r4m> bear a bad community and die/ oops
[11:00] <n17r4m> live and love/
[11:02] <n17r4m> I don't know how to make a useful shaft.
[11:22] <Fortless> checking if i'm still connected to irc
[11:24] <[n0mad]> Fortless: you are not, this is myspace
[11:33] <Fortless> how come almost every linux distro has a 'visual basic' vibe to their gui's?
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: only ubuntu support questions here please
[11:41] <Fortless> ok guys, i've launched ubuntu on live now, seem to boot up 'just fine' but i do get messages during boot something like Frequency mismatch
[11:42] <Fortless> anything i should worry about? i had this message with all distros, live and hdd
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: logs spit out alot if information that is usefull, but also you that you can ignore
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: does it boot to your desktop?
[11:44] <Fortless> it does yes
[11:44] <Fortless> live seems to work fine as all distro's, running smooth
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: so it wont be very bad :p whats your next plan? look around or install?
[11:45] <Fortless> could i run some kind of test for hardware compatibility or something?
[11:45] <enaut[m]> check if the hardware works you worry about ;)
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: depends what hardware we talking about?
[11:46] <Fortless> i'm afraid the same problems will occur if i install it, live it runs perfect
[11:46] <enaut[m]> like try wifi, try graphics
[11:46] <Fortless> gee, let me see, a intel i7 920 i believe, 6gig ddr3 and old nvidia geforce 6600gt
[11:47] <Fortless> graphics is what i'm afraid of
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: dont be affraid, if something doesnt work, come back here and ask?
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: its already good news you can live enter desktop, so graphics should be fine
[11:49] <enaut[m]> Fortless: this hardware should run without problems... don't install the nvidia drivers from the website but use the softwarecenter...
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[11:51] <Fortless> yeah, don't really know how to check for correct driver while live but ok, leap of faith tells me it's going to be great!
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[11:51] <Fortless> gonna install it, yolo!
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[11:52] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: thats the spirit
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[11:54] <Fortless> so check the mark 3d party drivers,etc or not then?
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[11:55] <Fortless> some say do some say don't????
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: i always enable both, updates and 3rd party
[11:56] <Fortless> ok
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: but thats the users choice really
[11:57] <Fortless> full option it is
[11:57] <Fortless> go 'max' or go home right ;)
[11:58] <Fortless> now.... i could do brainless install with linux taking over the partitioning stuff, or i can once and for all configure it 'like a pro'?
[11:59] <Fortless> got a blank 2tb hdd to go nuts on... shoot!
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: let ubuntu choose layout for you, unless you have a specific reason not to?
[12:01] <Fortless> eeh, i've once watched a video WHY it's best to do it manually, i believe it had something to do with readjusting partitions later and mount other stuff and so on, i really don't know anymore
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | Fortless =official
[12:03] <Fortless> ok hold on, i'll check tut!
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[12:06] <Fortless> meh, nvm the partitioning, you scared me of with that, i'ma do noob style then, lazyness prevails
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> Fortless: like i said, if you dont really have a reason, use the auto layout
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[12:47] <Fortless> FINALLYY!!!!
[12:47] <Fortless> installed ubuntu, same shit other distro!
[12:47] <Fortless> slow af
[12:49] <_alx_> Fortless: Don't blame the distro for shit hardware man
[12:49] <TJ-> !language
[12:50] <TJ-> Fortless: if there is a problem give us precise details so we can help
[12:50] <_alx_> TJ-: sorry bud
[12:50] <Fortless> ok, first let me try to calm my nerves for a minute
[12:50]  * TJ- hands Fortless a cold glass of juice
[12:51] <Fortless> i installed ubuntu like any script-junky would do
[12:52] <Fortless> live is running smooth, hdd is taking forever to load desktop... i've entered my login 5 minutes ago now
[12:52] <_alx_> in a vm or baremetal?
[12:52] <_alx_> ah ok
[12:52] <Fortless> if i have to make a logical choice based on your question i'd choose baremetal then, it's not on a vm
[12:53] <_alx_> not a technical term at all. trying to be userfriendly
[12:53] <Fortless> ok, NOW it's logged in
[12:53] <_alx_> hmmm strange … specs?
[12:53] <Fortless> probably still starting 'welcome'?
[12:54] <TJ-> Fortless: this is Ubuntu 18.04 ?
[12:54] <Fortless> ok 'whats new' popped up now
[12:54] <_alx_> ahh, bionic beaver. I use it yeah
[12:54] <Fortless> yeah
[12:54] <Fortless> latest release indeed
[12:54] <TJ-> Fortless: once it has logged in try log-out and log-in again. I *suspect* it may be building the indexes for software-center first time around
[12:54] <TJ-> Fortless: I recall there were issues with that in some circumstances some time ago
[12:55] <Fortless> ah ok let's try
[12:55] <_alx_> is your hd a solid state hd? or is it the old school spinning disks
[12:55] <Fortless> hdd not sdd
[12:55] <Fortless> ssd*
[12:55] <TJ-> Shouldn't make much difference for the first-time log-in. Something is obviously running slowly that has been autostarted
[12:55] <_alx_> hmm, I personally did not experience the issue TJ- described, but it is entirely possible
[12:56] <_alx_> How did you get the image? Is it possible that you're accidentally booting from a USB instead of actually having it installed?
[12:57] <TJ-> _alx_: There were some major issues in 16.04 I think it was, that carried over to other releases, but it was spotty as to why/when systems were affected. I believe a lot of the problems back then were related to it failing to download additional data because the Ubuntu servers were throttling the download rate
[12:57] <acheronuk> [13:47] <Fortless> installed ubuntu, same **** other distro!
[12:57] <Fortless> nope, it's running the hdd one
[12:57] <acheronuk> does that mean you see the same on other distros?
[12:57] <acheronuk> same slowness
[12:58] <TJ-> Fortless: can you do "sudo apt install pastebinit; pastebinit <( dmesg )" and give us the URL it reports?
[12:58] <Fortless> yes acheronuk
[12:58] <Fortless> ok ok not too fast, i relogged, this time it starts up 'normal' as it is the second time an operation or process ran
[12:59] <_alx_> ah, acheronuk has a point. What other distros have you tried on this machine? TJ- ahh, I did experience some downtime from debian package repos a few days ago too.
[12:59] <Fortless> this happened to all distro's
[12:59] <Fortless> first run is slow, second run or 'start' is normal
[12:59] <_alx_> Yup, then TJ- wins. He guessed it first
[13:00] <_alx_> Or she
[13:00] <_alx_> or they
[13:00] <_alx_> or ...
[13:00] <TJ-> or it
[13:00] <acheronuk> weird to do that on multiple distros, but hey.....
[13:00] <_alx_> yup, insert every pronoun ever.
[13:00] <_alx_> Maybe there should be a disclaimer :P
[13:01] <TJ-> Fortless: let us have that log, there may be something else going on as well.
[13:01] <_alx_> (about the first boot being slow)
[13:01] <Fortless> i'm trying my best
[13:01] <Fortless> ???? this chat is getting confusing to me
[13:02] <_alx_> Fortless: It can be overwhelming, we got you.
[13:02] <TJ-> Fortless: you're familiar with how to open a Terminal Emulator ?
[13:03] <_alx_> It's the black window looking thing
[13:03] <Fortless> yeah
[13:03] <_alx_> great!
[13:03] <Fortless> remember that i've told you it takes forever to open... anything!!!
[13:03] <Fortless> even terminal
[13:04] <_alx_> hmmm … what processor/clock speed you got ?
[13:04] <Fortless> don't know if alt+F2 is faster then going traditional
[13:04] <Fortless> i7 920
[13:05] <_alx_> that's a first gen
[13:07] <TJ-> Fortless: hang on, you mean starting any program there's a massive delay?
[13:07] <TJ-> Fortless: Once you can get us the dmesg log, I'm predicting it is going to show I/O errors because the disk drive is failing
[13:08] <TJ-> Fortless: being OK on 2nd launch could just mean by then everything is in RAM cache so doens't need to go out to the disk to read it
[13:08] <Fortless> i can't do anything :'(
[13:09] <Fortless> i can not type in terminal
[13:09] <Fortless> it's not even showing a mount or 'user' or whatever
[13:09] <TJ-> Fortless: did things work fine when using the Installer LiveISO in "Try Ubuntu" mode?
[13:10] <Fortless> background window popped up asking me to install apps after the os install
[13:10] <Fortless> YES YES YES
[13:10] <Fortless> live is good
[13:10] <_alx_> It's doing the auto update
[13:10] <Fortless> hdd is nightmare
[13:11] <Fortless> i can't do much else then just go for updateing and 'hoping' it'll fix some major pain automatically
[13:11] <TJ-> Fortless: it does sound like the Hard Disk could be failing
[13:11] <Fortless> i can't believe it is :( it's a brand new drive ffs)
[13:11] <TJ-> Fortless: it can happen any time... but we need to get you into a stable terminal so we can run commands to check it
[13:11] <_alx_> Did you build this computer yourself ? could be something loose
[13:12] <TJ-> Fortless: are you chatting to us from another PC?
[13:12] <Fortless> yes currently chatting on laptop
[13:12] <TJ-> Fortless: good :)
[13:12] <Fortless> otherwise i can't even communicate with you guys anyway
[13:12] <_alx_> lol
[13:12] <TJ-> Fortless: in which case it might be faster to teach you how to boot te PC into Recovery mode where there is no GUI loaded, and you are the root user
[13:13] <Fortless> that would be my consideration as well tj
[13:13] <TJ-> Fortless: how does the PC get network? Is it through WiFi ?
[13:13] <Fortless> cabled
[13:13] <Fortless> out of necessity for now
[13:13] <TJ-> Fortless: yay for wires! makes debugging so much easier :)
[13:13] <_alx_> ethernet, ok
[13:13] <Fortless> yeah
[13:13] <_alx_> <3
[13:13] <TJ-> Fortless: Here's what I suggest...
[13:13] <_alx_> whole house, ethernet ports everywhere!
[13:13] <Fortless> ok lemme boot it in shell mode then?
[13:14] <Fortless> yes alx YES FUCK YES!!!!
[13:14] <_alx_> yes
[13:14] <Fortless> wires ftw
[13:14] <TJ-> Fortless: ... reboot the PC, tap Esc repeatedly to get to the GRUB bootloader menu. On that menu choose the "Advanced" sub-menu then choose the Recovery option
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Fortless, enthusiasm is good, but watch t e language please
[13:15] <TJ-> Fortless: tapping Esc as soon as the PC firmware is handing over to GRUB
[13:15] <Fortless> ok, i'll take out the usb preventively
[13:15] <Fortless> oh, woops sorry blue
[13:15] <TJ-> Fortless: if you swear here the computers learn to copy you, so beware :p
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Fortless, ok
[13:15] <BluesKaj> heh
[13:16] <_alx_> What do you mean by learn to copy you?
[13:16] <_alx_> AI's learning by our chatting in this channel?
[13:16] <TJ-> _alx_: :p
[13:16] <_alx_> haa, seriously?
[13:16] <_alx_> dude
[13:17] <TJ-> _alx_: there's over one thousand nicknames in this channel.. most never speak... what do you think!? :D
[13:17]  * TJ- dons the Ubuntu conspiracy theory hat
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> _alx_: volunteers are constantly watching this channel,remember trolling nicknames :p
[13:17] <TJ-> Fortless: how's it getting on?
[13:17] <_alx_> TJ-:  I like to leave the channel on while i'm working too though lol
[13:18] <_alx_> lotuspsychje: haha fair
[13:18] <BluesKaj> an alternative to ethernet all over the house is ethernet thru the house wiring. I have such a setup and it works well
[13:18] <Fortless> ok
[13:19] <Fortless> you guys really going to enjoy this
[13:19] <BluesKaj> as long as all the ircuits are routed thru the same panel
[13:19] <_alx_> It does, and it's nice to also offer wifi to our guests. We aren't savages after all :P
[13:19] <BluesKaj> circuits
[13:19] <Fortless> spammed esc button on boot, black screen but backlight is on
[13:19] <_alx_> Fortless: press enter a few times?
[13:20] <Fortless> hdd activity now....
[13:20] <_alx_> what kind of hd is it?
[13:20] <_Dbug_> BluesKaj, also works better if you have modern appliances. Some old warm water tank, badly insulated washing machine, etc... can generate a lot of electric noise that makes the speed of powerline ethernet to drop a lot
[13:21] <Fortless> any more of those wonderfull ideas?
[13:21] <Fortless> booted into normal mode apparently!
[13:22] <_alx_> must be a different bootloader
[13:22] <BluesKaj> _Dbug_, the speed is about 50% of regular ethernet here
[13:22] <Fortless> western digital blue 2tb
[13:22] <Fortless> wd20earx or something
[13:23] <_alx_> BluesKaj: _Dbug_: how I wish I had 10gb through the house to the nas… :(
[13:23] <_alx_> 1gb is ok though …
[13:24] <_alx_> 2tb WD … hmmm I think that's like 5000 rpms. Let me google some models
[13:24] <_Dbug_> _alx_, you can generaly "easily" bump up to 2gps by using aggregated network adapters, many routeurs and nas support that. 10gb is a whole new level of pain, you need new cables, new network cable, new switches, new everything, and the price is many times higher than normal gigabit ethernet equipment.
[13:26] <_alx_> _Dbug_: I know lol It's just one of those things that would be nice to have… like cake for breakfast!
[13:28] <BluesKaj> heh, everyone has different tastes, but cake for breakfast...not my cuppa tea :-)
[13:28] <_alx_> Yeah, the blues are 5600 rpms. Not the best but it shouldn't be that slow. Methinks something else is going down.
[13:29] <Fortless> what's NOT going down you mean xD
[13:30]  * BluesKaj gave up on WD hdds ...their quality control isn't what it used to be
[13:31] <_alx_> BluesKaj: like a supermodel girlfriend, who's also an excellent assembly coder, and has a secret life working as a spy and can whip my but at mario kart.
[13:31] <Fortless> thanks Blueskaj... just the complimentary i need now
[13:31] <Fortless> i always believed wd was kind of the better ones
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Fortless, they were til I got burned a week after the warranty was up
[13:32] <BluesKaj> my media server drive just died
[13:33] <Fortless> that could just as be coincidental as putin's mh17 attack
[13:33] <_alx_> Samsung's are good, and I've had good luck with Crucial too
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Fortless, true , but it happened...
[13:34] <Fortless> well i'm sorry to hear that
[13:34] <Fortless> i mean, i can only imagine it
[13:34] <Fortless> i guess i have great karma with drives
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Fortless, who knows, you might have much better luck
[13:35] <_alx_> Couldn't there be improperly seated RAM too ?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> i have a WD160 that's 10yrs old and still chugging away in an old HP desktop pc
[13:35] <Fortless> if money wasn't an issue... i would send you a good drive that i've touched... maybe my luck comes with the drive?
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> guys keep it a bit ubuntu ontopic
[13:36] <beaver> !
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Fortless, no need
[13:36] <_alx_> OHH! lotuspsychje, got any recommendations for debugging on ubuntu?
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> _alx_: debugging what?
[13:37] <_alx_> I don't want to use wine or a VM to debug with x64-dbg. and gdb is a pain...
[13:37] <_alx_> binaries
[13:37] <ppf> on bionic, dual booting with win 7. whenever i boot from win7 to linux, i don't have any network, until i disable wol through ethtool
[13:39] <Fortless> can someone just take over my desktop on remote :'(
[13:39] <_alx_> lol don't trust people on irc to ever do that for you man. never know what they could leave behind
[13:40] <Fortless> i want to hang myself knowing i'm not done NOW and didn't even accomplish fixing 1 problem, let alone adress the problem propperly
[13:40] <_alx_> I can understand your frustration. I'm really sorry dude
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Fortless, can you get to a TTY /VT on said computer?
[13:41] <Fortless> i'm working on this AGAIN since 7h this morning, that's already 8hrs passed doing NOTHING really!
[13:41] <ppf> so apparently windows leaves the wol setting in a weird state that the linux driver can't handle. disabling it with ethtool resets that, and after the next reboot i got my network back
[13:41] <Fortless> tty/vt???
[13:42] <ppf> tried to automate that with udev, but to no success
[13:42] <ppf> any other suggestions?
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Fortless, ctl+alt+F2-F6, after the bios page or at the login if you get that far
[13:44] <beaver> beware, there is an ongoing attack, there are users who can give you bad advice
[13:44] <Fortless> currently logged in now
[13:44] <Fortless> i'll try altf2 now
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Fortless, it's opening a Virtual Terminal/shell without a desktop
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> !who | ppf
[13:45] <Fortless> grr it keeps popping error window ubuntu internal error
[13:45] <ppf> lotuspsychje: asking a question for the entire channel :)
[13:45] <ppf> free-for-all!
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> ppf: avoid monologues, filling the whole chanel, ask your question all-in-one line please in the future
[13:46] <ppf> lotuspsychje: i did
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Fortless,  ctl+alt+F2
[13:46] <ppf> and then followed it up with details on what i tried
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> ppf: please dont follow up, if nobody is replying to your original question
[13:47] <ppf> lotuspsychje: what are you gatekeeping for?
[13:48] <ppf> if you don't know the answer, just don't get involved?
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> ppf: im trying to help you here...saying flooding the channel with follow-ups to nobody doesnt work
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> ppf: if you want, lets continue this in #ubuntu-discuss
[13:49] <ppf> nah, i'm good :)
[13:50] <Fortless> ok nothing works
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Fortless, https://askubuntu.com/questions/38566/how-can-i-check-the-health-of-my-hard-drive
[13:51] <Fortless> not terminal, errors keep popping up, error report sending crashes aswell
[13:51] <ppf> just get a new disk
[13:52] <ppf> if it's broken
[13:52] <Fortless> so.... HOW in the world can i perform ANYTHING on a machine i just can't... i can't...
[13:52] <Fortless> jflkdsqjfmlkdsqjmlkfdjqdm
[13:52] <ppf> why fight broken hardware
[13:52] <Fortless> you are broken mlqjflkjdsq
[13:52] <_alx_> lol Fortless at least its not your daily driver
 so apparently windows leaves the wol setting in a weird state that the linux driver can't handle - i don't know how that's even possible, but you might have to go rooting through changelogs to see if it's fixed in driver and update and/or file a bug to get it sorted.. or failing that use an init script to reset it on boot ;)
[13:54] <_alx_> Fortless: maybe it's best to keep this projects on the backburner for now
[13:56] <Fortless> i can't
[13:56] <ppf> streaky: where in the init sequence would i do that?
[13:56] <ppf> streaky: i mean, udev is apparently too late
[13:56] <Fortless> i need this machine
[13:56] <Fortless> i can't afford sh*t
[13:57] <TJ-> Fortless: OK, a calming solution. Reboot the PC to the Installer LiveISO, choose "Try Ubuntu", and then when that's up we can do stuff without you suffering
[13:57] <Fortless> alright last try for today
[13:57] <TJ-> Fortless: from that stable boot we can investigate the disk
[13:58] <streaky> ppf, make network service depend on it i guess - so it's ready for network configuration
[13:58] <streaky> it's a bit hacky but it'll probably work
[13:58] <ppf> streaky: no, that's way too late
[13:58] <streaky> before network config is too late? :s
[13:58] <_alx_> ppf: how is that too late?
[13:59] <ppf> because it's after driver initialization
[13:59] <_alx_> Fortless: Good luck!
[13:59] <ppf> _udev_ is too late
[13:59] <streaky> ppf, oh, interesting
[13:59] <ppf> so i resetting wol after the kernel device becomes live is not enough
[14:00] <streaky> i wonder if unloading and then reloading the kernel module has the same effect
[14:00] <ppf> i guess i'll have to reinitialize the device?
[14:00] <Fortless> live is running as try out now
[14:00] <_alx_> Fortless: sudo apt install pastebinit; pastebinit <( dmesg )
[14:01] <ppf> streaky: it's an intel card using the builtin driver. i can't reload the module, can i?
[14:04] <ppf> scratch that, it's e1000e
[14:06] <streaky> the other option that may help if you don't need wol is disabling it in bios if you can or disabling it in the windows driver possibly
[14:06] <streaky> all completely speculative ofc
[14:06] <ppf> tried disabling it in windows, didn't change a thing, don't have an option to switch it off in bios
[14:07] <streaky> arf :p
[14:07] <streaky> file a bug with intel and wait 18 months ;)
[14:08] <benbro> is it possible to calculate crc32c checksum from the command line? (crc32-c not crc32)
[14:09] <streaky> i bet it's something weird with acpi actually
[14:09] <fortress2> dang
[14:10] <fortress2> im using qwerty on azerty
[14:10] <TJ-> fortress2: if you're using Linux on your laptop, you can SSH into the PC to make copying/pasting links etc easy
[14:10] <fortress2> linux is hating on me BIG TIME
[14:10] <CoolerZ> hey
[14:10] <CoolerZ> how do you install the jdk?
[14:10] <TJ-> benbro: there's a (java) tool that does all sorts of CRCs/hashes, but not sure it does crc32-c
[14:11] <TJ-> !info openjdk-8-jdk | CoolerZ
[14:11] <CoolerZ> what do you mean open?
[14:11] <CoolerZ> isn't the oracle jdk already open source?
[14:12] <benbro> TJ-: prefer to not depend on java or python
[14:12] <Fortless> can you repost what i have to do?
[14:12] <Fortless> with the dmesg stuff and all that
[14:12] <_alx_> TJ-: Oh neat, what other channel commands does the bot here have?
[14:12] <ppf> !help
[14:13] <ppf> !ubottu
[14:13] <CoolerZ> TJ-, hello
[14:13] <CoolerZ> i already did sudo apt-get install default-jdk
[14:13] <Fortless> how can i 'investigate' my drive now?
[14:13] <CoolerZ> do i have to uninstall that now?
[14:14] <TJ-> Fortless: which instructions do you want? Did you see what I asked about using SSH over the network to make collecting info easier?
[14:14] <TJ-> CoolerZ: no, default-jdk will install one of several options
[14:14] <TJ-> !info default-jdk
[14:14] <Fortless> this chat is hard to follow
[14:15] <compdoc> takes practice
[14:15] <Fortless> i saw something with SSH
[14:15] <TJ-> CoolerZ: on 18.04 default-jdk installs openjdk-11-jdk
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> thats why everyone needs to use tab !who
[14:15] <TJ-> Fortless: Is your laptop running Linux too?
[14:15] <Fortless> no
[14:15] <TJ-> Fortless: ahhh, OK, then that shoots down that idea... moving on
[14:16] <CoolerZ> TJ-, yeah i am on 18.04
[14:16] <Fortless> laptop is win8 and desktop is eeh... ubuntu
[14:16] <TJ-> Fortless: on the Linux PC open a terminal emulator (Ctrl+Alt+T or type "Terminal" in the search bar)
[14:16] <Fortless> yeah i opened it
[14:16] <Fortless> commands?
[14:16] <CoolerZ> TJ-, for some reason its downloading at 180 KB/s
[14:16] <TJ-> Fortless: once the Terminal emulator opens and you have a shell, type "sudo apt install pastebinit"
[14:16] <CoolerZ> are the servers overloaded or something
[14:17] <TJ-> CoolerZ: might be due to the mirrors, or some temporary network issue affecting your route to them
[14:17] <TJ-> Fortless: once that has installed you can do "pastebinit <( dmesg )" and then give us the URL it provides so we can read the log
[14:18] <Fortless> you need to know that i'm running the 'live' now ok
[14:18] <TJ-> Fortless: I do know
[14:19] <TJ-> Fortless: so it should'nt be being affected by any bad disk
[14:19] <TJ-> Fortless: the "Try Ubuntu" session runs entirely in RAM but anything you change doesn't persist after a reboot of course
[14:19] <fortress2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Nnh4d8Cdkk/
[14:20] <fortress2> using my qwerty skills lol
[14:20] <TJ-> fortress2: so this is the hard disk? "scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access     ATA      WDC WD20EARX-00P"
[14:20] <fortress2> yes
[14:21] <TJ-> fortress2: ahhh, you have two. That's the 2TB, and there's a 1TB "scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access     ATA      WDC WD10EZEX-60W 1A01"
[14:22] <Fortless> true
[14:22] <TJ-> fortress2: /dev/sda is the 2TB, /dev/sdb is the 1TB
[14:22] <Fortless> correct
[14:23] <TJ-> Fortless: so right now there are no errors because we've not tried to read from them, so lets first read their internal error tracking data using the SMART functions
[14:23] <Fortless> ok
[14:23] <TJ-> Fortless: "sudo apt install smartmontools"
[14:23] <Fortless> ok
[14:23] <fego> .1
[14:23] <fego> .2
[14:24] <Fortless> just to be clear here... i'm not using the 1tb hdd anyway, it just sits there until i can 'manage' linux properly on the 2tb drive
[14:25] <TJ-> Fortless: OK, now let's collect SMART health reports: "pastebinit <( sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda; sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb )"
[14:25] <TJ-> Fortless: that'll report on both drives
[14:25] <CoolerZ> ok now how do i install the android sdk?
[14:26] <guest_> im trying to install ubuntu on hp laptop and it has about 6 partions and one says windows boot manager what would happen if i erase all partions inluding the windows boot manager and recovery partion
[14:26] <leftyfb> guest_: if you don't care to keep Windows, then you are free to wipe everything and just install ubuntu
[14:26] <EriC^^> guest_: what leftyfb said
[14:27] <TJ-> !info android-sdk | CoolerZ
[14:27] <TJ-> CoolerZ: so ensure you have the "Universe" component enabled in Software Properties, then "sudo apt install android-sdk"
[14:27] <Fortless> okk, next one... postfix configuration: no config, internet site, internet w smarthost, sattelite system, local only???
[14:27] <TJ-> Fortless: local only
[14:27] <guest_> woudl that means i could never windows again
[14:28] <TJ-> Fortless: that's because the SMART tools allow reporting errors as they're detected
[14:28] <EriC^^> guest_: no, if you have a windows cd/usb you could reinstall it
[14:28] <guest_> leftb: does that mean i could never reinstall windows again
[14:29] <leftyfb> guest_: you could reinstall Windows later, but that complicates the Ubuntu install. It's best to keep/install Windows first then install Ubuntu dual boot.
[14:29] <guest_> EriC: i have windows usb
[14:29] <EriC^^> guest_: then you're good, it'll create the system partition again and work again
[14:29] <Fortless> ok next
[14:29] <Fortless> shell waiting for instructions
[14:29] <guest_> i dont want dual boot just wanted to install linux then when i sell it put windows back on
[14:30] <Fortless> named it ubuntufortress as mail map or something
[14:30] <leftyfb> guest_: then I would buy a 2nd HDD and remove the old one and keep it aside when you care to sell it
[14:30] <leftyfb> guest_: or sell it with Ubuntu
[14:30] <guest_> why not windows
[14:30] <CoolerZ> should i install apps in home directory?
[14:30] <CoolerZ> home/bin ?
[14:30] <CoolerZ> ~/bin
[14:31] <EriC^^> CoolerZ: sure, if you want
[14:31] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: you should use apt to install applications
[14:31] <EriC^^> CoolerZ: what kind of apps? many are already in the repos
[14:31] <guest_> leftyb: why not sell it with windows
[14:31] <leftyfb> guest_: other than that, you'll have to seek support from Microsoft support sources
[14:31] <CoolerZ> android studio
[14:31] <guest_> leftyb: Ericb says i can just reinstall windows
[14:31] <CoolerZ> does that come with the android sdk?
[14:32] <CoolerZ> i got it from here https://developer.android.com/studio/
[14:32] <leftyfb> guest_: I said that as well.... but you'll need the reinstall media (cd/usb)
[14:32] <guest_> ok thanks for help
[14:32] <TJ-> Fortless: is smartmontools finished installing?
[14:32] <Fortless> yes
[14:32] <TJ-> Fortless: OK, now let's collect SMART health reports: "pastebinit <( sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda; sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb )"
[14:32] <guest_> why does hp put unesscary partions on there i dont have that with desktop pc
[14:33] <leftyfb> guest_: you'll have to contact HP support or Microsoft support. But they're probably recovery/driver/whatever partitions
[14:33] <fortress2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mcByQzbGJj/
[14:34] <guest_> will windows pick up the drivers without the partion
[14:34] <leftyfb> guest_: again, you're asking about Windows support questions in #ubuntu. You'll need to contact Microsoft or HP support
[14:35] <TJ-> fortress2: you can see that the SMART Selftest log structure revision number 1 section reports read errors on the 2TB device starting from sector 12838224
[14:36] <_alx_> fortress2: it's on line 80
[14:36] <TJ-> fortress2: so now we need to use smartctl to initiate a thorough drive self test
[14:36] <compdoc> fortress2, that Western Digital Green has pending sectors, which can mean its failing
[14:36] <TJ-> _alx_: thanks for that pointer :)
[14:37] <_alx_> TJ-: :)
[14:37] <Fortless> i, i'm speechless
[14:37] <Fortless> brand new drive, KAPUT!??
[14:38] <Fortless> alright alright were getting somewhere finally
[14:38] <Fortless> i wish i've met you sooner
[14:38] <TJ-> Fortless: so "sudo smartctl -t offline /dev/sda" and then be patient whilst it runs
[14:39] <TJ-> Fortless: it'll likely take several minutes so get some refreshment... you can check the current progress by doing "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda" and looking at the last section where it reports status of self-tests
[14:40] <TJ-> Fortless: I doubt that drive is brand new, it reports power-on hours 2875 and Load_Cycle_Count 8332 and Power_Off Retract_Count 105 (that's when the power is pulled before it has parked the heads safely)
[14:41] <Fortless> it says it's about to complete at approximately midnight... so.... i'll see you guys tomorrow then
[14:41] <_alx_> Fortless: gl! … where did you buy this drive?
[14:41] <TJ-> Fortless: :) if you bought the drive as new, then you've been misled
[14:41] <Fortless> internet
[14:42] <TJ-> Fortless: the word "fraud" comes to mind. Get the SMART error data from that pastebin and use it as evidence to claim a refund - that drive is not new
[14:42] <_alx_> Fortless: Well, you got the logs to prove it isn't new.
[14:42] <Fortless> from a big commercial internet store, so... i can't believe my eyes now
[14:42] <TJ-> Fortless: and this is why you suffered no matter which Linux distro you tried to install
[14:43] <TJ-> Fortless: SMART data comes from the drive itself
[14:43] <TJ-> Fortless: my guess is they had a drive returned to them and they repackaged it without checking it
[14:43] <TJ-> Fortless: Linux 1, Internet Store -1 :)
[14:44] <_alx_> Fortless: or someone was quitting that day lol
[14:44] <Fortless> not now man
[14:44] <Fortless> i need a minute ok
 so, he wants the win. so we're just gonna get lunch or something, then hes gonna push me to the ground and tap my ass with his foot so he can claim he "kicked my ass" tbh im going along with it becase I dont wanna lose any teeth
[14:52] <Fortless> i'm not sure what to look for specifically when checking if test is still running
[14:53] <Fortless> only thing i assume i'm looking for is status read failure
[14:53] <TJ-> Fortless: in the output "SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1" table it should list the type of test running
[14:53] <Fortless> if it is the last section... then 'not testing'
[14:54] <Fortless> yup
[14:54] <TJ-> Fortless: OK, the result should be in the table above that "SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1"
[14:54] <Fortless> let me re-run it
[14:54] <Fortless> ah well there it says completed (3x) read failure
[14:54] <TJ-> Fortless: show us "pastebinit <( sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda )" so we can compare
[14:55] <fortress2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YSJFVXmmcV/
[14:55] <TJ-> Fortless: usually you can tell the newer test because the "Lifetime (hours)" columns is telling you when the test was initiated, and should be different to the previous 2857 hours that were listed originally
[14:56] <TJ-> Fortless: hmmm, no change in the hours value. That is weird. Let me check if that drive supports the test we triggered
[14:57] <swordslayer101> whats goin on
[14:57] <TJ-> Fortless: try this test instead: "sudo smartctl -t long /dev/sda"
[14:58] <swordslayer101> how can i install onion network that works with irssi?
[14:58] <swordslayer101> or access the onion ircs
[14:58] <tomreyn> swordslayer101: are you asking how to access an irc network through tor, using the irssi irc client?
[14:59] <Fortless> oh boy
[14:59] <Fortless> please wait 380 minutes for test to complete
[14:59] <swordslayer101> yeah, tomryn
[15:00] <Fortless> and i was hallucinating computing power goes up with the time :)
[15:00] <TJ-> Fortless: that sounds better!
[15:00] <tomreyn> swordslayer101: first, install tor and torsocks, then run torsocks irssi.
[15:00] <TJ-> Fortless: its the disk not the PC doing the testing
[15:00] <TJ-> Fortless: the disk has to access every sector of that 2TB multiple times to check it
[15:00] <Fortless> oh right, so no perception of relative time then
[15:00] <swordslayer101> Alright, Tom
[15:00] <swordslayer101> Thank u
[15:01] <tomreyn> welcome
[15:02] <Fortless> can i use same command to check if test is running?
[15:02] <Fortless> (like the previous you give me
[15:02] <swordslayer101> Also are there any good channels to join? I cannot find any channel thats active sadly
[15:03] <tomreyn> !alis | swordslayer101
[15:04] <swordslayer101> mk, thank u
[15:06] <fastputty> hello guys, i am facing some issue today. hope someone could help me out with this.
[15:06] <Fortless> !TJ- same command to check if test is still running?
[15:06] <fastputty> i am trying to upgrade a EOL ubuntu, and get this error message An upgrade from 'zesty' to 'bionic' is not supported with this tool.
[15:06] <fastputty> any way to have this done?
[15:07] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | fastputty
[15:08] <Fortless> helloo?
[15:08] <tomreyn> Fortless: you're running a long SMART self-test?
[15:09] <fastputty> the error message An upgrade from 'zesty' to 'bionic' is not supported with this tool. is caused by the EOL?
[15:09] <Fortless> yes
[15:09] <fastputty> im not to sure because i change my source to the old-release source
[15:09] <TJ-> Fortless: to check "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda" ye
[15:10] <TJ-> fastputty: I think you're expected to go zesty > artful >bionic
[15:10] <tomreyn> fastputty: yes
[15:10] <Fortless> not sure if it's ready TJ
[15:11] <TJ-> Fortless: give it time, but the output should look different when the drive is running/has completed a test
[15:11] <Fortless> #1 says 2875 now instead of 2857
[15:11] <Fortless> under selftest log structure...
[15:13] <TJ-> Fortless: OK, and reports the same error there?
[15:14] <Fortless> yes
[15:14] <TJ-> Fortless: so the last time those SMART tests were run is 18 power-on hours ago
[15:14] <Fortless> but i don't even know if the test is done
[15:14] <TJ-> Fortless: does it not say Status "completed: read failure" against that 2857 hours report?
[15:14] <Fortless> yes it does
[15:15] <TJ-> Fortless: right, so it could not get further on the disk, so a pretty severe error
[15:15] <Fortless> omg
[15:15] <Fortless> so... bash someone's brain in with my hdd then
[15:15] <Fortless> tow him on the highway around his neck
[15:16] <TJ-> Fortless: so 12838224 is approximately 6GB into the disk
[15:16] <Fortless> huh? i don't get it now
[15:16] <TJ-> Fortless: which explains why Ubuntu mostly installs and almost runs... anything written past there is not readable
[15:17] <TJ-> Ubuntu doesn't take up much space on initial installation
[15:17] <Fortless> yes
[15:17] <Fortless> whats up with the 6gig?
[15:17] <TJ-> Most of the disk is not used, and it'll write from the first sector onwards, so it's only when it tries to read past sector 12838224 that it fails
[15:17] <TJ-> Fortless: sector 12838224 is roughly 6GB into the disk
[15:18] <Fortless> ah ok
[15:18] <r1ck_> Hello, can you help me with this error when i try to boot ubuntu? I took a photo: https://goo.gl/z1CzhJ
[15:18] <Fortless> well... is there a possible 'cure' for this?
[15:18] <Fortless> skipping the bad section or something?
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[15:18] <Fortless> i mean it's 2tb for crying out loud
[15:19] <Fortless> i'm happy with 300gb already
[15:19] <TJ-> Fortless: if the drive test fails it means it can't get past that point... usually it would just mark sectors as bad and try to reallocate. I suspect the read/write heads have a fault and can't move across the entire platter
[15:19] <r1ck_> Anyone can help me?
[15:19] <tomreyn> r1ck_: go away
[15:19] <r1ck_> ?
[15:20] <tomreyn> r1ck_: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[15:20] <r1ck_> Yes, i asked it
[15:20] <tomreyn> r1ck_: no, you did not, you posted a youtube link
[15:20] <r1ck_> No i didnt
[15:21] <tomreyn> r1ck_: whatever, go troll elsewhere
[15:21] <r1ck_> Im not trolling! I need help
[15:21] <r1ck_> I cant boot into ubuntu 18
[15:21] <tomreyn> !ops | r1ck_
[15:22] <r1ck_> Help me please
[15:22] <MGD> Under Ubuntu 18.04, I can connect to my wireless router via 2G but not 5G. It’s a MacPro 2008. I’ve check the channels and 5G does come up
[15:22] <r1ck_> If i could boot into ubuntu 18 i would ask for help
[15:23] <hggdh> hi stove, you are out
[15:23] <Fortless> well anyway, i want to thank you all for helping me so much
[15:23] <r1ck_> Anyone?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, his mistake wasn't intentional I'm sure
[15:23] <_alx_> LOL tomreyn r1ck_ my browser doesn't automatically redirect anything. I saw the youtube request before going. r1ck_ get out
[15:24] <r1ck_> Why everyone is against me? I just need help booting in ubuntu 18
[15:24] <BluesKaj> posting rick astley isn't ubuntu
[15:24] <r1ck_> I didnt post rick astley
[15:24] <_alx_> HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
[15:24] <_alx_> Alt-Svc: quic=":443"; ma=2592000; v="44,43,39,35"
[15:24] <_alx_> Cache-Control: no-cache, no-store, max-age=0, must-revalidate
[15:24] <_alx_> Content-Encoding: gzip
[15:24] <BluesKaj> double check your link
[15:25] <_alx_> mmhmm … not a youtube eh?
[15:25] <tomreyn> !paste | _alx_
[15:26] <tomreyn> also let's focus on ubuntu support ;)
[15:26] <TJ-> Fortless: come back when you've got a good disk and tell us how well it runs :)
[15:26] <MGD> Sorry, any help would be appreciated
[15:26] <_alx_> lol still new to this channel, thanks tomreyn
[15:27] <tomreyn> MGD: 2G and 5G usually refer to mobile hpone networks, i think you mean the frequencies of a wireless LAN network
[15:28] <YADW> Aaanyway, Linux 4.15.0-29 is still slow af. Takes like 4 minutes more than 4.13 to boot, what could be causing it?
[15:28] <doug16k> Fortless, I recommend not flogging a dead horse. replace the drive and get it over with
[15:28] <MGD> The frequency the wireless router broadcasts at right?
[15:28] <tomreyn> MGD: both the router and the clients, yes. a wireless home network, that's what we'Re discussing, right?
[15:28] <TJ-> YADW: "systemd-analyze critical-chain" and  "systemd-analyze blame"
[15:29] <MGD> Yes
[15:29] <YADW> I don't know if it's related, but tty1 (usually things from the boot log end up there, don't know if it's supposed to do so) had some errors, I screengrabbed them
[15:29] <_alx_> Can I use any pastebin or only paste.ubuntu.com is allowed?
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[15:30] <tomreyn> MGD: is the 5MHz access point actually listed on the macbook? if so, what happens when you try to connect to connect to it?
[15:31] <tomreyn> i see
[15:33] <YADW> TJ- that's the output for blame
[15:33] <YADW> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nm8wZFwJKz/
[15:34] <YADW> TJ- Here's critical-chain https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sZX6tFgBVB/
[15:35] <YADW> Also, there is this screengrab https://prnt.sc/kenad7
[15:37] <tomreyn> YADW: that's the lower end of a kernel oops, a critical kernel error
[15:38] <tomreyn> YADW: something related to DRM, which is the direct rendering manager, which is about graphics
[15:38] <TJ-> YADW: in the blame list "19.599s dev-sda5.device" is worrying; suggests a drive problem
[15:39] <tomreyn> YADW: actually the dRM issues are unrelated, may be follow-up errors. can you: dmesg -T | pastebinit
[15:39] <YADW>  /dev/sda5 is where the linux extended partition is
[15:39] <TJ-> YADW: can you show us "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[15:40] <YADW> Sure, I'll sent both in a moment.
[15:40] <tomreyn> YADW: one is enough, it's the same
[15:40] <YADW> No, actually it's the same lol
[15:40] <TJ-> YADW: yeah, well spotted :)
[15:40] <YADW> Yeah, I realized after a second
[15:40] <TJ-> YADW: I use a different format because I often want to collect output from multiple commands at once
[15:43] <YADW> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/THfrWx4YhN/ here is the dmesg
[15:44] <_alx_> Do you get voted to be a mod here? cuz TJ- you're awesome.
[15:44] <_alx_> you too tom!
[15:44] <fastputty> someone help me, i am tring to upgrade my distro and igot this message
[15:44] <fastputty> An upgrade from 'zesty' to 'bionic' is not supported with this tool.
[15:44] <_alx_> can you copy the entire error and pastebin it ?
[15:45] <fastputty> alx: me?
[15:45] <_alx_> fastputty: yup
[15:45] <TJ-> fastputty: I answered you earlier
[15:45] <TJ-> fastputty: I think you're expected to go zesty > artful >bionic
[15:45] <fastputty> oh...
[15:45] <fastputty> you cannot get striahgt to bionic then
[15:45] <fastputty> sorry i miss your answe
[15:46] <fastputty> _alx: there are no much errors, its pretty much the only error i got..
[15:46] <TJ-> fastputty: There was some change to allow skipping releases but I forget in what circumstances it is allowed. But generally (aside from LTS > LTS) it needs to be done release by release
[15:46] <fastputty> _alx_: only thing its my current distro is EOL
[15:46] <_alx_> fastputty: TJ- is right, I assumed you where going through artful inbetween too
[15:47] <TJ-> !eol | fastputty check out the link it tells you how to switch to the old-releases archives
[15:47] <fastputty> how do i upgrade to artful ? do-releae-upgrade go auto to the latest
[15:47] <YADW> What if they just changed the PPA to match those of bionic and then upgrade everything?
[15:47] <fastputty> TJ- i switch to old distro already
[15:47] <fastputty> TJ- all my update and upgrade works,
[15:47] <fastputty> only thing is when i try to do upgrade distro, its give me this error
[15:48] <ubuntu_wireless> can someone help me in on a hp laptop but wireless isnt working Lan is but wireless just connects for a millasecond then refuses to stay connected
[15:49] <CarlFK> TJ-:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases  zesty and artful are both EOL - can they be upgraded without doing something special ?
[15:49] <TJ-> fastputty: right, so I can think of 2 things. 1. check /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and ensure it is set to "Prompt = normal" not "lts" then retry do-release-upgrade
[15:49] <TJ-> CarlFK: sure, if it's pointed to the old-releases.ubuntu.com repos
[15:49] <fastputty> TJ- it is already at normal
[15:49] <m00n_urn> hey! how would you change a shell of a user who is on AD?
[15:49] <CarlFK> TJ-: thats the special thing I was thinking of
[15:50] <_alx_> m00n_urn: I don't understand your question
[15:50] <TJ-> fastputty: hmmm, and do-release-upgrade refuses?
[15:50] <YADW> TJ- Why don't they just upgrade "the debian way"? Is it risky?
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[15:50] <TJ-> YADW: d-r-u has special knowledge on how to deal with packages that have been removed/replaced/renamed
[15:51] <fastputty> TJ- correct it does refuse
[15:51] <m00n_urn> _alx_, assuming my ubuntu laptop is on top of active directory and the active directory machine has my /etc/passwd file
[15:51] <TJ-> fastputty: hmmm!
[15:51] <TJ-> fastputty: after altering to old-releases... did you do "sudo apt update" ?
[15:52] <fastputty> yes
[15:52] <fastputty> TJ - i did apt-get update and upgrade
[15:52] <fastputty> its went succesfully and no issue
[15:52] <TJ-> fastputty: the only thing I can think is d-r-u is trying to fetch the artful update-mamanger-core from archive.ubuntu.com not old-releases.ubuntu.com - that'd make it stall :)
[15:53] <tomreyn> fastputty: did oyu also "sudo apt -get dist-upgrade"?
[15:53] <tomreyn> fastputty: did oyu also "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[15:53] <TJ-> fastputty: it's not a situation I've ever got into though, well, not in the last 10 years anyhow :)
[15:53] <fastputty> tomreyn: yes i did dist-upgrade
[15:53] <tomreyn> TJ-: maybe getting a newer do-release-upgrade might help?
[15:53] <TJ-> fastputty: tomreyn I suspect "apt-get dist-upgrade" should do a release upgrade if apt's sources.list is set to old-releases artful
[15:54] <tomreyn> TJ-: if set to a different release than the current one, yes
[15:54] <TJ-> fastputty: can you show us "pastebinit <( cat /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} )"
[15:54] <fastputty> yes i will do it now
[15:55] <tomreyn> fresh install would be another otion...
[15:55] <xjkx> i wanna copy *gnome* to my other system user. Meaning: autostart stuff, wallpapers, keyboard shortcuts...so what do I copy?
[15:55] <fastputty> https://pastebin.com/pgXN5H6U
[15:56] <YADW> tomreyn TJ- Anyway, was the dmesg of any use?
[15:57] <tomreyn> YADW: sorry, must have missed it
[15:57] <tomreyn> looking now
[15:57] <YADW> My bad, I didn't ping you.
[15:58] <fastputty> TJ - does it make sense?
[15:58] <tomreyn> YADW: your BIOS has it's 11th birthday on tuesday!
[15:59] <TJ-> I missed it too
[15:59] <YADW> tomreyn I don't know whether I should laugh or cry, lol.
[15:59] <tomreyn> line 770 is where the first kernel oops is
[16:01] <jk^> !dual boot
[16:04] <fastputty> TJ-: any idea?
[16:05] <m00n_urn> why isn't my ubuntu 16.04 not ask for my fde password when i pull it back from suspend?
[16:05] <YADW>  I'm disconnecting for a second, brb.
[16:07] <TJ-> tomreyn: fastputty I'm wondering if simply changing "zesty" to "artful" there, then doing "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" might be worthwhile? (don't do this yet whilst we consider it)
[16:08] <fastputty> TJ- i am not sure...
[16:09] <tomreyn> TJ-: so just a debian style release upgrade? it's worked for me in the past when do.release-upgrade failed and i needed to recover
[16:10] <tomreyn> and i guess do-release-upgrade does it's special sauce in the very end of the release upgrade mostly, so we could maybe just get the same effect by carefully cleaning up later on
[16:10] <fastputty> so you guys suggest i change zesty to artful in the source and do   a update, upgrade distro?
[16:11] <tomreyn> fastputty: if this will we the outcome of this discussion, we may suggest so. not currently, though. ;)
[16:11] <tomreyn> s/ we / be /
[16:11] <fastputty> do we have other solution on this beside that ? :S
[16:11] <TJ-> fastputty: tomreyn in Debian thisis the way release upgrades were done, not sure if that is still the case.
[16:12] <TJ-> fastputty: I know I've done that in the past for a single-step upgrade like this. It won't work so good for hopping over a release though, e.g. zesty > bionic would be likely to fail, but zesty > artful should be straightforward since the artful packages are written with the upgrade in mind
[16:13] <tomreyn> TJ-: still the debian way according to https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade
[16:13] <fastputty> TJ- how can i upgrade from zesty to artful then?
[16:13] <TJ-> fastputty: you'd then have to do it again from artful > bionic I suspect, although you should try to do d-r-u from artful > bionic first
[16:13] <fastputty> i just need to upgrade to a supported version
[16:13] <fastputty> right now, the version i have is EOL
[16:14] <ioria> fastputty, you need two steps, i'am afraid
[16:14] <TJ-> fastputty: you'd edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "zesty" with "artful", do "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:14] <hsnow> Hello.
[16:14] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes, i would just do it to single step the release zesty -> artful, then clean up and try do-release upgrade again
[16:14] <TJ-> fastputty: easy way to edit is "sudo sed -i 's/zesty/artful/' /etc/apt/souces.list"
[16:15] <TJ-> oops! typo
[16:15] <TJ-> fastputty: easy way to edit is "sudo sed -i 's/zesty/artful/' /etc/apt/sources.list"
[16:15] <fastputty> then i distro-upgrade after?
[16:15] <TJ-> fastputty: it helps you have no PPAs enabled, thankfully !
[16:15] <TJ-> fastputty: edit, then the apt-get commands, yes
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[16:16] <lotuspsychje> hsnow: welcome, how can we help you?
[16:17] <hsnow> Ah... Wha
[16:17] <hsnow> what do you do here?
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> !support | hsnow
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> !ot
[16:18] <TJ-> tomreyn: When YADW returns, tell him to try adding the kernel command-line parameter "video=SVIDEO-1:d" as per bug #1774845 comment 2
[16:18] <m00n_urn> why isn't my ubuntu 16.04 not ask for my fde password when i pull it back from suspend?
[16:18] <tomreyn> TJ-: i found this one, too ;)
[16:18] <tomreyn> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93782#c40
[16:18] <TJ-> tomreyn: yes, that's where I came from
[16:19] <TJ-> m00n_urn: because the master key is in the kernel keyring which is in RAM which is preserved during suspend
[16:20] <m00n_urn> TJ-, dm-crypt will ask for the password if you put it sleep is it?
[16:20] <fastputty> TJ - i will gve a try then :D
[16:21] <tomreyn> m00n_urn: FDE crypto containers aren't closed on suspend, the key remains in RAM. which is why you dont suspend when you take FDE seriously.
[16:22] <m00n_urn> tomreyn, so you just shut it down rather then closing the lid everytime you step out of your seat?
[16:22] <mojtaba> Hello, does anybody know how can I have date and time as name prefix in Kazam?
[16:22] <tomreyn> m00n_urn: right
[16:22] <TJ-> m00n_urn: it is possible, you can add scripts to remove the key from the keyring on sleep and to request it on resume, but that's not something Ubuntu ships because it is prone to errors
[16:23] <m00n_urn> tomreyn, cool
[16:23] <m00n_urn> TJ-, sure! Thanks mate
[16:26] <tomreyn> mojtaba: kazam doesn't seem to be scriptable. so unless there's an option to do so on the GUI, there is probably no way to do this with kazam.
[16:27] <tomreyn> mojtaba: which ubuntu release are you running?
[16:34] <YADW> tomreyn I rebooted with kernel 4.13, that works much faster (also, my daily driver because of that). Would the dmesg of this kernel version be of any use? As a comparison maybe?
[16:39] <tomreyn> YADW: not unless TJ and i have not since independetly found a workaround for you
[16:39] <tomreyn> YADW: and i think we have
[16:39] <YADW> Sounds great!
[16:39] <tomreyn> YADW: add this kernel parameter at "video=SVIDEO-1:d"
[16:39] <tomreyn> YADW: add this kernel parameter in grub "video=SVIDEO-1:d"
[16:40] <tomreyn> YADW: do you know how to do this?
[16:40] <YADW> Yeah, sure
[16:40] <tomreyn> there is a way to do it for the current boot from the grub menu, and another way to make it permanent
[16:40] <tomreyn> i'd try once from grub menu first of all, booting the latest available kernel
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[16:42] <tomreyn> in case it (unfortunately) turns out to still be slow there, you can just hit ctrl-alt-del instead of waiting for the boot to complete. but give it a bit of time at least.
[16:42] <YADW> Ok, I'll do it in a moment and let you know how it went. Thanks!
[16:43] <tomreyn> YADW: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1774845 (comment 2) and https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93782#c40 (comment 40) for more information
[16:46] <fastputty> TJ- i change zerty to artful in source, and nothing work
[16:47] <fastputty> when i do upgrade releaase, it still show zerty upgrade and not arful
[16:48] <TJ-> fastputty: you've edited /etc/apt/sources.list, replaced "zesty" with "artful", then you do "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:49] <fastputty> yes
[16:50] <fastputty> i have this eror http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful Release' does not have a Release file.
[16:51] <TJ-> fastputty: oh! artful isn't in old-releases yet!!
[16:52] <fastputty> oh
[16:52] <TJ-> fastputty: "sudo sed -i 's/old-releases/archive/' /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:52] <TJ-> fastputty: then redo the 2 commands
[16:52] <fastputty> ohh
[16:52] <fastputty> ok
[16:54] <CarlFK> how can I tell if a nic that supports gig is operating at 100 or gig?
[16:55] <compdoc> in properties, or using ifconfig, I think
[16:55] <TJ-> CarlFK: "sudo ethtool <ifname>"
[16:56] <CarlFK> compdoc: ifconfig is out, ip is in.
[16:56] <compdoc> phfft. i use both
[16:56] <TJ-> CarlFK: for wifi then "iwconfig" and the "Bit Rate" param
[16:56] <CarlFK> TJ-: "Speed: 100Mb/s"  that's current, right?
[16:57] <TJ-> CarlFK: yes
[16:57] <TJ-> CarlFK: it should also show the supported rates
[16:58] <CarlFK> im skiming the man page... does it have something to give me must speed, so I don't have to do sudo ethtool enp13s0|grep Speed
[17:00] <TJ-> CarlFK: maybe use sysfs, as in "cat /sys/class/net/$IFNAME/speed"
[17:02] <luisoliv> /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\
[17:03] <CarlFK> TJ-: sweet.  that gives me something to check every X seconds and throw some gui alert if it isn'1 1000
[17:04] <transhumanist> hi! in ubuntu 14.04 besides backing up an install to an image, is there a way to run a test install of a bunch of packages and trigger a rollback to a "snapshot" type of thing on Ubuntu (NO VM's) its ubuntu 14.04 but I have worked very hard to get the config to where it is now
[17:05] <TJ-> CarlFK: link is going down frequently?
[17:05] <CarlFK> transhumanist: nothing built into apt or the OS.
[17:05] <transhumanist> question is there one now in ubuntu 18.04?
[17:06] <TJ-> transhumanist: you could do that if using LVM, with a snapshot
[17:06] <transhumanist> crap, thats right , I forgot about that , damn I didnt use lvm
[17:06] <transhumanist> next time I guess
[17:06] <transhumanist> thanks TJ
[17:06] <transhumanist> thanks CarlFK
[17:07] <CarlFK> TJ-: no - but last Sat a bad cable caused me a big headache that could have been prevented (making videos at a live event,  the 300mbs hdmi laptop feed goes over a lan
[17:07] <TJ-> transhumanist: you could create an overlayfs on top of / whilst testing
[17:07] <transhumanist> well, wish me luck, hope this doesn't screw up two days worth of work! :-)
[17:07] <transhumanist> TJ how does that work
[17:07] <transhumanist> got a how to link, is it called overlayfs?
[17:08] <YADW> tomreyn You were absolutely right, it definitely booted faster with that parameter. Thank you very much! If I can still bother you, I still have issues with (I suppose?) the graphic card, when I switch back to a graphical tty from any other text only tty, the screen is frozen for about 30 seconds. Is there anything I could do to fix it?
[17:09] <TJ-> transhumanist: you could create a separate block device (in RAM via tmpfs for example) use overlayfs to mount it as the 'upper' over the root file-system, then run your commands. All writes will go to the upper in tmpfs, not to the base system. It's how Ubuntu LiveISO's work from RAM but allow you to install packages create documents etc
[17:10] <TJ-> YADW: you'll probably find more errors reported in the kernel log (dmesg) at that time
[17:10] <transhumanist> will that still allow me to survive a reboot TJ?
[17:10] <YADW> (GPU is your average integrated video card in an awful intel mobile celeron CPU from the 2000s, never installed drivers)
[17:10] <TJ-> transhumanist: the changes? no, they'll be lost. You can use some other block device that is persistent though, it doesn't have to be tmpfs of course
[17:10] <YADW> Ok, I'll look into that. Thank you for the suggestion!
[17:10] <fastputty> TJ- it seems to work on the update, i will keep you posted ;)
[17:11] <transhumanist> yeah then that wouldnt work cause I wouldnt know if the software works till a reboot , but its a GREAT idea for sure!
[17:11] <fastputty> lets see if it is gonna work properlly when i will do-release upgrade
[17:11] <takko> Hey all, can anyone help clarify some instructions from a php installation tutorial?
[17:11] <TJ-> transhumanist: if you've got free space to create another block device, such as via LVM
[17:11] <Apachez> anyone else in here experienced very small close/minimize/maximize buttons in google chrome while other apps have the regular sized buttons (to the upper left) in ubuntu 18.04.1 ?
[17:11] <transhumanist> that just might work! Thanks TJ
[17:11] <transhumanist> have a great day guys!
[17:12] <TJ-> fastputty: you succeeded with the apt-get dist-upgrade did you?
[17:14] <takko> APache2, No, but I'm a big fan of not using the system buttons in chrome.  I recently found a few sites that have lots of cool themes, but some favorites from the chrome store are marble, blue marble, and wintry igloo :)
[17:14] <takko> sorry that doesn't truly address the issue :p
[17:16] <andy> testing
[17:17] <TJ-> andy: working
[17:17] <H7R> is there any canonical here ?
[17:17] <gdibass> Question about VPNs
[17:18] <gdibass> I have a VPN connection that works fine
[17:18] <gdibass> but when I disconnect my internet doesn't work... I'm assuming it's a route that's left in or it's still using the private DNS server
[17:18] <gdibass> Has anyone experienced the same?
[17:18] <TJ-> gdibass: what is managing the VPN? NetworkManager?
[17:19] <gdibass> Yeah
[17:19] <gdibass> Just the default Ubuntu desktop network connection GUI
[17:19] <ryao> gdibass: I suggest running `route -n` before connecting when your connection works, after connection when your connection works and after disconnecting when your connection stops working.
[17:19] <TJ-> gdibass: you can test whether it's DNS by trying to ping IP addresses rather than names
[17:19] <TJ-> gdibass: check the routes with "ip route show"
[17:19] <gdibass> There's an idea
[17:19] <ryao> gdibass: It is how I dealt with this issue when I encountered it in the past on another distribution.
[17:20] <TJ-> gdibass: I use openvpn with NM and never seen an issue with it up and down
[17:20] <ryao> gdibass: Also, the contents of /etc/resolv.conf are worth checking too.
[17:20] <gdibass> So those are easy enough, but I'm wondering... what's the fix?
[17:20] <TJ-> ryao: not so; that'll always point to the local resolver either dnsmasq or systemd-resolved
[17:20] <HaMsTeRs> guys
[17:20] <HaMsTeRs> I once made a very bad decision
[17:20] <gdibass> Is there some config option I missed in NetworkManager for like... resetting routes/dns after disconnecting?
[17:20] <TJ-> gdibass: tell us what the problem truly is first :)
[17:20] <ryao> TJ-: I didn't know Ubuntu had a local resolver. ^_^;;
[17:20] <gdibass> fair enough
[17:21] <gdibass> let me give this a shot then
[17:21] <TJ-> gdibass: no, there isn't :) it should revert changes when a link drops
[17:21] <HaMsTeRs> I created a 30gb hard disk for my nix box.  now I want to extend the sda1, but the swap space cockblocked me
[17:21] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: please mind your language
[17:21] <ryao> gdibass: I vaguely recall solving route issues by fiddling with the routing configuration stuff for the VPN in networkmanager in the past on another distribution. Anyway, find out how the routing table changes at each point.
[17:21] <HaMsTeRs> ok
[17:22] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: is the system using LVM ?
[17:22] <gdibass> Yeah I'm gonna look into that right now, I'll let you know
[17:22] <gdibass> TJ-, I'm going to apologize in advance.... I cuss like a sailor, but I'll do my best to keep it down in here
[17:23] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: if sda1 were an LVM PV, you could make sda2 (which I assume is currently swap) another LVM PV, add it to the existing LVM VG, and then allocate space from it to expand your existing LVs
[17:23] <ryao> gdibass: Expletives give me headaches, so I appreciate that.
[17:23] <TJ-> gdibass: right; we don't want to teach the computers bad habits
[17:23] <gdibass> Pretty sure it's too late for that lol
[17:23] <ryao> TJ-: Or cause OSS developers to get headaches from reading IRC. :)
[17:24] <gdibass> They put that microsoft (I think) AI on the web and within a few days it was quoting Hitler
[17:24] <ryao> gdibass: Are you working on getting that routing table information?
[17:24] <gdibass> I just finished pouring coffee, so... yes I am now!
[17:27] <gdibass> Test
[17:27] <TJ-> gdibass: Pong
[17:27] <gdibass> Cool, that's interesting
[17:27] <gdibass> IRC is still working... no webpages load
[17:28] <TJ-> gdibass: existing connection hasn't dropped then
[17:28] <gdibass> Nope, seems ok
[17:28] <gdibass> I can ping google.com ... it resolves fine
[17:28] <TJ-> gdibass: try pinging IP addresses and their names
[17:28] <gdibass> holy crap
[17:28] <andy> quit
[17:28] <TJ-> gdibass: I've noticed sometimes Firefox caches DNS lookups and gets stuck if something changed
[17:29] <gdibass> TJ-, chrome seems to be doing the same thing
[17:29] <gdibass> There is another route added
[17:29] <gdibass> let me try removing it
[17:33] <gdibass> Not the route
[17:33] <gdibass> hrmm
[17:35] <TJ-> gdibass: is the VPN still up?
[17:35] <gdibass> No
[17:36] <gdibass> There was an extra route at the end but the default route was the same
[17:36] <gdibass> after I removed it I'm still having the problem
[17:36] <TJ-> gdibass: use the 'nmcli' tool in the terminal to determine the current DNS servers in use: "nmcli | grep -A4 DNS"
[17:37] <gdibass> Looks like it's using my router
[17:37] <gdibass> 172.16.1.1
[17:37] <TJ-> bring up the VPN and test again, to compare
[17:38] <neorpheus> anyone here know how i might go about getting a touchscreen working under lubuntu bionic beaver? ive never tried setting one of these up under linux before and it doesnt appear to be a quick package install
[17:39] <TJ-> neorpheus: it can depend on whether the hardware is fully supported in the kernel and/or GUI drivers
[17:40] <gdibasss> VPN is using the expected internal DNS
[17:40] <gdibasss> browsing/everything works fine
[17:41] <TJ-> gdibasss: right, so weird the browsers suffer. Does a raw curl/wget also suffer, or is it just the browsers themselves - i.e. not the sites
[17:41] <gdibasss> let me check
[17:41] <gdibasss> it'll probably disconnect me again
[17:42] <gdibasss> have to install curl first.... fresh install lol
[17:42] <TJ-> wget should be installed.
[17:42] <neorpheus> TJ, all i can find about the touchscreen is that it is manufactured by eTurboTouch Technology andattached via USB. how would i go about finding whether a given kernel supports this device?
[17:42] <TJ-> "wget -O - http://" will write to stdout like curl does
[17:43] <TJ-> neorpheus: it'd be counted as an input device for starters, so look at "dmesg" kernel log to see how it is recognised and configured
[17:43] <ioria> neorpheus, i could be wrong, but LXDE is not optimised for touch ; i'd try gnome
[17:44] <TJ-> I have touchscreen on this T300CHI - Xorg/Xubuntu works with it but multitouch isn't cater for... but it is for the touchpad
[17:45] <gdibass> Alright it's definitely DNS
[17:45] <gdibass> but... something interesting
[17:45] <gdibass> DNS works from root
[17:45] <gdibass> it does not from my user
[17:46] <gdibass> brb 1 sec
[17:46] <gdibass> verifying
[17:53] <gdibass> Soooo after some google fu'ing
[17:53] <gdibass> I found
[17:53] <gdibass> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6076
[17:55] <cowsay> Hey .. I'm trying to figure out what bluetooth adapter my new laptop has because it isn't detected.  Here is lspci output http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fMfsh2DqXj/ but I'm not seeing it.  Is there another command I can use to find it?
[17:55] <fastputty> TJ- Should i upgrade before do-release-upgrade after the update?
[17:55] <mojtaba> Hello, does anybody know how can I have date and time as name prefix in Kazam?
[17:55] <TJ-> gdibass: confirm the system is using resolved - "cat /etc/rsolv.conf, does it show it using 127.0.0.53 ?
[17:56] <gdibass> Yup
[17:56] <TJ-> fastputty: try the d-r-u if the system is now on Arty, it does all the updates
[17:56] <TJ-> gdibass: then you've found the bug :)
[17:56] <TJ-> gdibass: which ubuntu release is it?
[17:56] <gdibass> 18.04 LTS
[17:56] <gdibass> fresh install
[17:57] <fastputty> how do i try the dru?
[17:57] <fastputty> i did the do-upgrade-release it failed because it said it cannot find any artful package
[17:57] <fastputty> i guess i will have to upgrade
[17:58] <fastputty> apt-get upgrade first?
[17:58] <gdibass> update/upgrade
[18:02] <TJ-> fastputty: that's strange, I'd have expect artful to be able to d-r-u to bionic despite being EOL, since it is still in the main archive
[18:03] <TJ-> fastputty: can you show us "pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[18:03] <TJ-> gdibass: Just read through that issue; it seems like there's a range of things going on and no definite resolution
[18:03] <gdibass> Yeah
[18:03] <gdibass> last reply 4 days ago
[18:03] <gdibass> I'm just going to restart my connection every time I drop the VPN
[18:04] <gdibass> and check back up on this issue periodically
[18:04] <gdibass> Not a huge pain
[18:04] <fastputty> TJ - wow the upgrade change my source to bionic
[18:04] <fastputty> but im not in bionic
[18:05] <mojtaba> Hello, does anybody know why the space sizes for my home directory do not add up properly? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YG2k8mNZVS/
[18:05] <CarlFK> TJ-: wanna try to debug 2 DNS problems at the same time?  fresh artful, nameserver 127.0.0.53 ... host pc8 => not found; host pc8 192.168.1.8 => pc8 has address 192.168.1.8  all 3 commands: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zbDMdmZM8h/
[18:06] <fastputty> m
[18:06] <CarlFK> mojtaba: im guessing because about 10%? is reserved for root.
[18:06] <TJ-> mojtaba: still trying to solve that?
[18:07] <mojtaba> TJ-: Yep.
[18:07] <baldrick> advice: Ubuntu on Laptops. Looking for Recommendation on best used Thinkpad Model to go with that suppors 8GB of RAM
[18:07] <mojtaba> TJ-: I restarted, but it didn't help.
[18:07] <TJ-> CarlFK: the reserve is usually 5%, but that would show up in the Usage column (as 95%)
[18:07] <fastputty> TJ- https://pastebin.com/MzWwmSMm
[18:07] <baldrick> I am looking at Thinkpad T420 - woould an i5 be good enough with Ubuntu for a lifespane of th enext 3 theayrs
[18:08] <fastputty> the upgrade failed but it change my source to bionic
[18:08] <TJ-> mojtaba: right, there's something about that particular file-system. Can you show us "pastebinit <( sudo file -s /dev/sda8; sudo dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda8 )"
[18:09] <sonicwind> baldrick... I'm on a t430 with 8 gigs ram and am happy with it... I'm on 18.04 LTS
[18:09] <neorpheus> TJ, well it looks like the touchscreen isnt listed in dmesg. sorry for slow replies as imtending to the newborn at the moment
[18:09] <madmangun> @baldrick - I've used a T420 and T430 at work with Ubuntu 17.10 and 18.04.  I had no problems.
[18:09] <sonicwind> also... there is #IBMThinkpad on freenode
[18:09] <TJ-> CarlFK: what does "nmcli | grep -A4 DNS" report ?
[18:10] <sarka> damn spammers
[18:10] <fastputty> TJ- i do not understand...
[18:10] <fastputty> TJ- Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found.
[18:10] <fastputty> TJ- m y linux think i am on the latest distro now
[18:10] <TJ-> fastputty: "bionic" suggest d-r-u started the release-upgrade then failed. But when it does that it should revert changes to sources.list
[18:10] <mojtaba> TJ-: just a sec
[18:11] <fastputty> TJ- how can i know my real version?
[18:11] <fastputty> im pretty much lost, im not sure anymore if it am on what version lol
[18:11] <TJ-> fastputty: what does "lsb_release -r" tell you?
[18:11] <TJ-> fastputty: or "cat /etc/issue"
[18:11] <fastputty> Release:        18.04
[18:12] <TJ-> fastputty: :) looks like you might be on Bionic already!
[18:12] <fastputty> nop
[18:12] <publicclass> hi guys!!
[18:12] <fastputty> the /etc/issue show 17.04
[18:12] <fastputty> D:
[18:12] <mojtaba> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6hRcDbD7Nt/
[18:12] <publicclass> I know that this isn't the subject of this chat, but any of you know of a good statistics/math channel??
[18:12] <TJ-> fastputty: does "apt-cache policy xorg" show "Installed: 1:7.7+19ubuntu7.1" ?
[18:13] <CarlFK> TJ-: nothing. um. hold on.. I installed ifupdown and messed with /etc/network/interfaces - let me put things back (I hope...)
[18:13] <fastputty> Candidate: 1:7.7+19ubuntu7
[18:13] <fastputty> Installed: (none)
[18:13] <TJ-> mojtaba: lines 16-17 show there's lots of free blocks and inodes, so this is weird
[18:14] <neorpheus> oddly this touchpad does work under the tahr based puppy linux but the calibration is way off and there doesnt appear to be any way to calibrate it
[18:14] <fastputty> installed at none, is this normal? lol
[18:14] <TJ-> fastputty: hmmm! how about "apt-cache policy linux-image-generic" ?
[18:15] <TJ-> fastputty: has the system run out of free space? "df -h"
[18:16] <mojtaba> TJ-: Do you know what should I do?
[18:16] <fastputty> for apt-cache policy is Installed: 4.13.0.46.49
[18:16] <mojtaba> TJ-: Is there any refragmentation or something like the one in windows for linux?
[18:16] <fastputty> all my df -h has not higher than 20% space use
[18:17] <TJ-> mojtaba: no, not needed with ext
[18:17] <mojtaba> TJ-: So, what are those free spaces then for?
[18:18] <theor> Hi. Whenever I try to open a file in /mnt (/mnt/data, /mnt/docs) with Gimp, LibreOffice or Darktable, I get an access denied error. I understand this is caused by snap. Is this a bug, or how can I grant access to my data partition?
[18:20] <fastputty> TJ- so i guess its weird...?
[18:22] <neorpheus> TJ you mentioned having a working touchscreen under XFCE?
[18:23] <TJ-> mojtaba: I've tried matching the dumpe2fs numbers to df output; I can match the Used/Avail but not the Use% !
[18:25] <TJ-> fastputty: ok, that 4.13 looks like Artful for sure, so we need to switch the sources.list back and try again: "sudo sed -i 's/bionic/artful/' /etc/apt/sources.list" then "sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade" then try "sudo do-release-upgrade" once more
[18:25] <TJ-> neorpheus: as in i can move the cursor, drag, but it doesn't have multitouch support
[18:27] <neorpheus> TJ, this is a resistive touch screen so no multi touch support anyways. id just be happy to be able to click and drag. not much use in a tabletif you cant use the touchscreen haha
[18:27] <mojtaba> TJ-: I ran this: sudo e4defrag -c ~ and this is the result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HWSPwHH8Hk/
[18:27] <mojtaba> TJ-: Any recommendation?
[18:27] <TJ-> mojtaba: nothing to do there :)
[18:27] <fastputty> TJ-: still show No new release found
[18:28] <TJ-> mojtaba: are you running any torrent software or similar? something that might run in the background, need to open very large files but then unlink (delete) them ?
[18:29] <TJ-> fastputty: I give up!
[18:29] <fastputty> D:
[18:29] <baldrick> sonicwind thanks
[18:29] <fastputty> nOooOOooOOOooOOoooOOoooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooO
[18:29] <TJ-> fastputty: point a shotgun at d-r-u then let it try again :)
[18:29] <baldrick> madmangun thanks
[18:29] <fastputty> what is DRU
[18:29] <fastputty> i hear you say it a couple of time
[18:29] <TJ-> fastputty: do-release-upgrade
[18:29] <fastputty> oh ok
[18:29] <fastputty> that dorelease upgrade
[18:30] <fastputty> think i am on 18.04
[18:30] <fastputty> which iam obvious not -_-
[18:30] <fastputty> sad
[18:30] <baldrick> i use a t420 myself with vmworkstation 8gb  and ssd drive and fine for me - this next latop would be for my wife who has usues ubuntu before
[18:30] <mojtaba> TJ-: I am not sure, may long time ago. How can I find that using ps -aux | grep ??
[18:30] <TJ-> fastputty: something is strange there, so you're going to have to use the "apt-get dist-upgrade" method again I think
[18:30] <baldrick> in fact wife said after using windows and osx  - what peoples issue with running Linux for deskopt ?
[18:30] <TJ-> mojtaba: I'm just wondering if something is running in the background and has used fallocate to claim all remaining space
[18:31] <baldrick> and mindyou  wife is least tech savvy
[18:31] <baldrick> she just surfs, buys shit, facebooks, and emails
[18:31] <neorpheus> well i guess ill reboot into windorks and  burn xubuntu onto thius pendrive and try again
[18:31] <TJ-> fastputty: try "sudo sed -i 's/artful/bionic/' /etc/apt/sources.list" then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:31] <neorpheus> ill be back
[18:32] <mojtaba> TJ-: I don't have any idea.
[18:33] <TJ-> mojtaba: is this an SSD device ?
[18:33] <TJ-> mojtaba: I'm wondering if it needs TRIMing
[18:34] <dunnousernamefn> Hey, I got a bunch of automated PM's from some of this channel's members at some point (I was idle)
[18:34] <dunnousernamefn> not to start up a problem or anything
[18:34] <mojtaba> TJ-: No, it is HDD. my root is on SSD.
[18:34] <mojtaba> 16GB
[18:36] <fastputty> TJ- nothing to upgrade/update lo
[18:36] <dunnousernamefn> at [08:19:31]
[18:36] <TJ-> mojtaba: I'm flumoxed!
[18:36] <fastputty> should i stay in the fake 18.04
[18:36] <fastputty> for now?
[18:36] <jorrakay21> /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.freenode.net ##hamradio /!\
[18:36] <TJ-> dunnousernamefn: there's been an ongoing spam attack on freenode this last week. Set your user to /mode +R
[18:36] <dunnousernamefn> thanks
[18:37] <TJ-> fastputty: if you use the commands I gave you, it should do a dist-upgrade to 18.04
[18:38] <mojtaba> TJ-: Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
[18:38] <TJ-> fastputty: if it isn't happening there is something broken on your system
[18:38] <TJ-> mojtaba: unlike most "df reports 100% usage" issues, in yours, it shows "Avail: 7.4G" not 0 !
[18:39] <mojtaba> Yep.
[18:39] <fastputty> TJ- : which command? change artful to bionic in the in source then dru?
[18:39] <TJ-> mojtaba: does it show anything different if you call 'df' as root? "sudo df -h /home"
[18:39] <TJ-> fastputty: yes
[18:39] <TJ-> fastputty: no
[18:39] <TJ-> fastputty: try "sudo sed -i 's/artful/bionic/' /etc/apt/sources.list" then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:39] <mojtaba> TJ-: nope.
[18:39] <fastputty> this is exactly what i said
[18:40] <fastputty> its replace artful to bionic
[18:40] <fastputty> then do a update, then distupgrade
[18:40] <fastputty> that show no update and nothing news
[18:40] <TJ-> fastputty: no, you asked about dru. dru == d-r-u == the command "do-release-upgrade"
[18:40] <CarlFK> TJ-:  nmcli things  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jwd25pb9C2/
[18:40] <fastputty> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:40] <Negr0> hey, knows someone how to disable "autostart" for mysql (i do not want it started after booting)?
[18:40] <fastputty> oh yeah... sorry not dru
[18:40] <dedondesta> in netstat -nr, in destination column, what does 0/1 mean?
[18:41] <dedondesta> what kind of address it is?
[18:41] <fastputty> i did the artful to bionic, then update, then dist-upgrade with apt
[18:41] <TJ-> CarlFK: ouch! it's mssing the "DNS configuration" section
[18:41] <fastputty> it show: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:41] <YADW> fastputty if you did update and dist-upgrade after changing the sources.list file, you should already be on 18.04
[18:42] <CarlFK> Negr0: replace stop with disable, and mysql... : sudo systemctl stop postgresql.service
[18:42] <fastputty> YADW: /etc/issue show 17.04
[18:42] <fastputty> and apt-cache policy xorg show Instaled: none
[18:42] <CarlFK> Negr0: so:  sudo systemctl disable mysql.service
[18:42] <Negr0> CarlFK, thx
[18:44] <YADW> fastputty I see. If you
[18:44] <TJ-> CarlFK: looks like NetworkManager isn't set to maange all the network interfaces ("unmanaged") so something else may be (supposed to) set resolvers
[18:44] <YADW> Sorry, if you cat /etc/apt/sources.list does it show bionic sources?
[18:44] <fastputty> yes
[18:45] <TJ-> fastputty: something is breaking things in unusual ways, you are not getting the expected responses
[18:45] <fastputty> i am in bionic and update and upgrade everything
[18:45] <fastputty> everything seems to work normally
[18:45] <TJ-> fastputty: do you have some kind of apt proxy set up ?
[18:45] <CarlFK> TJ-: sounds plausable.  im gonna spend the 30 min re-installing the OS and make sure it works before I ansible it (which I am guessing is what broke it...
[18:46] <fastputty> no
[18:46] <TJ-> fastputty: it's behaving as if it isn't receiving the package lists so sees nothing to upgrade
[18:46] <TJ-> CarlFK: aha! now  you tell us :)
[18:46] <fastputty> no proxy
[18:47] <ioria> fastputty, what  kernel are you using  ? uname -r
[18:47] <fastputty> 4.10.0-21-generic
[18:47] <ioria> that is zesty
[18:47] <TJ-> fastputty: show us this: "pastebinit <( sudo apt -o=Debug::Acquire::http=true update; sudo apt -o=Debug::Acquire::http=true dist-upgrade )"
[18:48] <ioria> fastputty, ls /boot | pastebinit
[18:48] <TJ-> ioria: this was a Zesty system that wouldn't d-r-u to Bionic, so we eventually did a manual dist-upgrade to Arty (apparently) followed by another d-r-u attempt which also failed, so we tried another dist-upgrade to bionic
[18:49] <ioria> TJ-, i see
[18:49] <fastputty> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5Q29hm7bSG/
[18:49] <TJ-> ioria: in theory, it was on Arty now but I'm beginning to wonder if the >arty dist-upgrade actually happened
[18:49] <fastputty> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7jZfQm6c7r/
[18:49] <ioria> fastputty, did you reboot on artful before trying on bionic ?
[18:50] <fastputty> i did not reboot anything...
[18:50] <dc-> sup everyone
[18:50] <ioria> fastputty, i see the artful kernel there
[18:50] <dc-> how's the Saturday going
[18:50] <TJ-> fastputty: you need to reboot for all the changes to take effect
[18:50] <fastputty> artful seems to be installed yeah
[18:50] <ioria> fastputty, ^^^^
[18:51] <fastputty> so i will do a reboot, hope everything will be ok. im working on remote ;(
[18:51] <TJ-> fastputty: if you don't reboot some system services will still be using zesty packages
[18:51] <fastputty> ok i will try a reboot lets see
[18:51] <TJ-> fastputty: OK, well ensure you've got an out-of-band access like network KVM or remote hands
[18:52] <ioria> fastputty, hold on ...
[18:52] <ioria> fastputty, you got any errors ?
[18:52] <fastputty> nvm i just reboot XD
[18:53] <ioria> fastputty, a fast putty
[18:53] <fastputty> lets hope it will come back alive hahah
[18:53] <fastputty> or i will keep in DS :(
[18:53] <fastputty> lol
[18:54] <pikapika> probably not relevant but...whats the easiest way to make an outline only (ie not solid filled) polygon in gnuplot?
[18:55] <fastputty> OK it come back up
[18:55] <fastputty> lolol XD
[18:55] <fastputty> got i almost lost my breath
[18:55] <fastputty> god*
[18:55] <ioria> fastputty, uname -r
[18:55] <fastputty> 4.13.0-46-generic
[18:56] <fastputty> seem like the kernel upgrade
[18:56] <ioria> fastputty, ok
[18:56] <fastputty> upgraded
[18:56] <fastputty> im still in artful no?
[18:56] <ioria> fastputty, you're on an unsupported artful, yes
[18:57] <fastputty> so wat i should do to upgrade to bionic?
[18:57] <ioria> fastputty, in theory.... but i think your spources.list is already set for bionic, right ?
[18:57] <ioria> *sources.list
[18:57] <fastputty> i went back to artful
[18:58] <fastputty> because of some tet
[18:58] <fastputty> i can put back to bionic
[18:58] <fastputty> test*
[18:58] <ioria> fastputty, meaning ?
[18:59] <fastputty> it was artful before, when i did the DRU, it changed to bionic automatically but faile
[18:59] <fastputty> so we change backto artful to try  again the upgrade
[18:59] <fastputty> TJ-: help me trough this process
[18:59] <fastputty> i mean.. TJ was helping me trough this process
[19:00] <ioria> fastputty, ok.....   sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgarde   (you'll get 0, i think)
[19:00] <fastputty> correct
[19:00] <fastputty> 0
[19:00] <fastputty> should i put it back to artful or bionic?
[19:00] <fastputty> in source
[19:00] <ioria> fastputty, grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[19:01] <fastputty> LTS
[19:01] <fastputty> should i try normal?
[19:02] <ioria> fastputty,   do-release-upgrade    (if it starts , abort it)
[19:02] <fastputty> No new release found.
[19:02] <ioria> fastputty, change to normal
[19:03] <fastputty> done
[19:03] <ioria> fastputty,   do-release-upgrade
[19:03] <fastputty> DRU still show me no new release found
[19:04] <ioria> fastputty,   do-release-upgrade  -d    (if it starts , abort it)
[19:05] <fastputty> it doe sstart
[19:05] <fastputty> i aboord?
[19:05] <fastputty> aborted
[19:05] <ioria> fastputty,   yes... cosmic or bionic ?
[19:05] <fastputty> cosmic
[19:05] <ioria> fastputty,   no, no
[19:06] <ioria> fastputty,   you need to change sources.list
[19:06] <fastputty> to??
[19:06] <fastputty> bionic?
[19:06] <fastputty> i am in artful now
[19:06] <ioria> fastputty,   yes, backup you file and replace with this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2vCmNTnPY2/
[19:06] <ioria> *r
[19:07] <fastputty> ok i backup the source.list
[19:07] <fastputty> then replace with the one you paste
[19:08] <ioria> fastputty,   sudo apt update | pastebinit
[19:08] <fastputty> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GH8558CJMV/
[19:09] <ioria> fastputty,   ok 202 to upgarde ... are you sure ? :þ
[19:09] <fastputty> that what i shown lol
[19:09] <fastputty> it shown*
[19:10] <ioria> fastputty,  sudo apt full-upgrade  (G be with you)
[19:10] <fastputty> CROSS-FINGER
[19:11] <patr0clus> Is there a way on an Ubuntu host to boot from a yumi muultiboot usb?
[19:17] <fastputty> that upgrade is huge...
[19:18] <fastputty> 35%/100
[19:19] <patr0clus> Or is there a safe way to change the bios on an Ubuntu host so as to allow for VirtualBox, and running VM's?
[19:20] <moses> \j kali
[19:21] <moses> my OS cant find the wired card in the mobo after it wakes up from sleep, anyone familiar with this issue?
[19:21] <tomreyn> !kali | moses
[19:22] <tomreyn> patr0clus: what do you mean by safe?
[19:22] <tomreyn> i guess you just do it?
[19:23] <tomreyn> if it works, you can reboot, undo your changes, and it'll be as before
[19:23] <patr0clus> I had read that altering the bios can sometimes alter other processes.
[19:23] <mdemo> patr0clus -- maybe you're asking about Intel VT-X ? That's something you change in the bios AFAIK.
[19:23] <patr0clus> Yes. VT-X seems to be the error I get when loading a VM.
[19:23] <mdemo> check your mobo manual if you've got it
[19:23] <doug16k> it might be labelled SVM if it's an AMD CPU
[19:24] <patr0clus> mobo manual?
[19:24] <fastputty> ioria: ok upgrade completed
[19:24] <tomreyn> patr0clus: if this is an intel cpu, vt-x and vt-d and iommu should be anabled.
[19:24] <ioria> fastputty,  ls /boot | pastebinit
[19:24] <patr0clus> how do I enable them, or check to see their current status?
[19:25] <tomreyn> patr0clus: refer to the documentation provided by your mainboard / computer vendor.
[19:25] <mdemo> typically you press a key when your computer powers up to get to those menus
[19:25] <fastputty> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nPNGQP5NBZ/
[19:25] <doug16k> it's under "CPU configuration" in my BIOS, depends on the bios and motherboard
[19:26] <fastputty> i did a autoremove after
[19:26] <fastputty> tho
[19:26] <patr0clus> tomreyn This is a formerly Windows 7 Hp laptop on which I've installed Ubuntu. But I want to be able to run VM's.
[19:26] <ioria> fastputty,  ok ... apt-cache policy apt   | pastebinit
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[19:27] <doug16k> patr0clus, what does it say when you run this command: kvm-ok
[19:27] <fastputty> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K44gtcKKYn/
[19:27] <ioria> fastputty,  looks fine to me
[19:27] <fastputty> oh
[19:28] <fastputty> its fixed?
[19:28] <fastputty> so i am on bionic now?
[19:28] <ioria> fastputty,  only a reboot will say
[19:28] <ioria> *tell
[19:28] <fastputty> lets me try a reboot again
[19:29] <fastputty> cross finger
[19:30] <patr0clus> doung16k It says: /dev/kvm does not exist; Your CPU supports KVM extensions; KVM (vmx) is disabled by youur bio
[19:30] <patr0clus> s setup and enable
[19:30] <patr0clus> KVM acceleration can not be use.
[19:30] <fastputty> ok i rebooted
[19:30] <patr0clus> d
[19:30] <fastputty> ioria: its rebooted!
[19:31] <ioria> fastputty,   uname -r
[19:31] <patr0clus> doug16k
[19:31] <fastputty> 4.15.0-29-generic
[19:31] <ioria> fastputty,   ok, cat /etc/issue
[19:31] <fastputty> LOL http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tjG9682J85/
[19:32] <fastputty> mind exloded!
[19:32] <ioria> fastputty,   are you serious ?
[19:32] <fastputty> i am serious..\
[19:32] <fastputty> thiss is what etc/issue shown
[19:33] <ioria> fastputty,   lsb_release -a | pastebinit
[19:34] <fastputty> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tvC2d4jWZm/
[19:34] <patr0clus> you enter the bios at startup via f2 on Ubuntu correct?
[19:34] <ioria> fastputty,  that's ok ...
[19:34] <fastputty> its just to weird
[19:34] <fastputty> why i see half on 17.04 and the other 18.04
[19:34] <ioria> fastputty,  weird
[19:34] <tomreyn> patr0clus: this is (still) specific to your hardware / firmware, not a matter of ubuntu
[19:34] <patr0clus> I see.
[19:35] <tomreyn> patr0clus: ubuntu only starts at the point where the logo displays (just a little bit earlier)
[19:35] <patr0clus> I'm assuming that the bios is only something that I can enter/edit at startup?
[19:36] <ioria> fastputty,  /etc/issue it's just one line
[19:36] <tomreyn> patr0clus: yes, this is usually so.
[19:36] <ioria> fastputty,  someone / something  has changed it
[19:36] <patr0clus> and so how once ive entered the bios am i able to allow for vms? that is, how do I enable KVM?
[19:37] <patr0clus> VT
[19:38] <mdemo> patr0clus bios menus are different, that's why we're telling you to consult your manual
[19:38] <patr0clus> The manual for this 10 year old pc is gone.
[19:38] <qwebirc28895> Hi. I need some help with compiling a 32 bit program.
[19:39] <patr0clus> but previously I could simply press f9 to alter the boot order.
[19:39] <mdemo> you can probably google for it with the model number
[19:39] <patr0clus> fair enough
[19:39] <fastputty> ioria, so from what you see i am running on 18.04?
[19:39] <ioria> fastputty,  sure
[19:39] <patr0clus> peasy
[19:40] <qwebirc28895> Compiling witch clang -m32 I get an error: cannot find bits/libc-header-start.h. Can some one help me?
[19:40] <doug16k> patr0clus, the most common bioses require you to press DEL repeatedly when booting to get into bios setup. browse around the menus and find an option that says VT-x or SVM or virtualization and enable it. probably under advanced setup, cpu configuration or something like that
[19:41] <patr0clus> got it.
[19:44] <ioria> fastputty,  ovh.net  is a vps company, so you know better
[19:45] <HellFire> qwebirc28895: you probably need to install the package libc6-dev:i386
[19:47] <qwebirc28895> HellFire: Thanks. I thought it might be something like this.
[19:47] <thehumanelement> has anyone seen 1stvamp recently?
[19:49] <fastputty> correct, i have a dedicated server with them
[19:49] <fastputty> ioria, do u know apparmor?
[19:49] <ioria> fastputty,  not so well..., sy
[19:50] <fastputty> since the update , apparmor refuse to start mysql because of that.. could you give  ahand?
[19:50] <moses> whats the best pdf viewing/editing software for linux these days?
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> moses: we dont really take best polls here, but try inkscape
[19:51] <moses> best is just an opinion im looking for someone to give me theirs
[19:51] <Guest57> Does anyone know of any way to let the bluetooth adapter go undiscoverably in ubuntu 18.04 gnome when closing the bluetooth settings just like macos and android are doing it?
[19:52] <patr0clus> And..problem solved. Thanks l & g.
[19:57] <Guest57> Does anyone know of any way to let the bluetooth adapter go undiscoverably in ubuntu 18.04 gnome when closing the bluetooth settings just like macos and android are doing it?
[19:59] <yaaa> Hey brother
[20:00] <bungle2> /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.freenode.net ##hamradio /!\
[20:01] <capella> umm hmm
[20:02] <yaaa> Hey, when i login with plasma i get a black background and the icons that look like these: https://goo.gl/z1CzhJ .do you know how to fix this problem?
[20:04] <bala> hai
[20:04] <bala> yes
[20:04] <yaaa> Anyone?
[20:05] <fooman2011> Hello. I'm trying to play pcm directly to /dev/snd/XXXX  using this code: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/igor-liferenko/pcm/master/playpcm.w   It work but the beginning (few seconds) of the sound file is not played. Could you please tell me what is wrong ?
[20:06] <tomreyn> fooman2011: maybe ask in a C programming channel
[20:06] <yaaa> ANYONE CAN HELP ME?
[20:07] <tomreyn> yaaa: it wasnt funny the first time, and it still isnt
[20:07] <realtekbe> does ubuntu have the drivers for RTL8723BE  Realtek wireless
[20:07] <yaaa> Tomreyn?
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[20:08] <tomreyn> realtekbe: RTL8723BE is not very well supported since the hardware manufacturer does not provide good linux support or open documentation. but I think you can find a patched driver to work with newer kernels somewhere on github.
[20:09] <yaaa> Anyone can help me? Otherwise i have to uninstall plasma
[20:09] <gigirock> plasma blood
[20:10] <yaaa> No
[20:10] <yaaa> I liked it
[20:10] <gigirock> yaaa: plasma kde stuff ?
[20:10] <yaaa> Yes
[20:11] <realtekbe> tomreyn: yes i have hp and i dont think they support linux
[20:11] <tomreyn> i was referring to the realtek wireless chipset you have there
[20:12] <yaaa> Guys please help a noob
[20:12] <tomreyn> realtekbe: consider getting a usb wifi 'dongle'
[20:13] <tomreyn> realtekbe: but make sure to get one with a well supported chipset before you do.
[20:15] <yaaa> No one wants me
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[20:15] <realtekbe> tomreyn: so its just the wireless card that doesnt work so if i get dongle that should fix it
[20:16] <yaaa> Do you want me?
[20:16] <gigirock> yaaa: no one use kde 'cause is buggy
[20:16] <yaaa> No one except me
[20:16] <gigirock> yaaa: consider yourself like a pioneer
[20:16] <tomreyn> realtekbe: i don't know what else may or may not be working for you. but you inquired about this specific piece of hardware so i'm focussing on this.
[20:16] <yaaa> Heh
[20:17] <realtekbe> tomreyn: yes everything works except wireless
[20:17] <realtekbe> i wil get dongle
[20:17] <gigirock> realtekbe: 10 bucks and you are ok
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[20:19] <tomreyn> realtekbe: this ant_sel=2 configuration is something you could try: https://askubuntu.com/questions/883673/rtl8723be-wifi-incredibly-weak
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> gigirock: please dont spread fud please
[20:25] <Guest30408> hey so i have an old hard drive with a bunch of bad sectors, is there a way i can make the system ignore all of them and just continue with my life?+
[20:26] <compdoc> Guest30408, no. it keeps getting worse and you keep losing data
[20:26] <lotuspsychje> Guest30408: bad sectors are usually not a good sign..
[20:28] <Guest30408> https://pastebin.com/raw/RYx9JHmN so far i've got this output
[20:28] <Guest30408> is this just bad or really bad?
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[20:32] <lotuspsychje> Guest30408: try a smart test also
[20:33] <Guest30408> lotuspsychje: before or after?
[20:33] <Guest30408> lotuspsychje: or just a smart test
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> Guest30408: yeah let your scan go, afterwards
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[20:37] <aidrocsid> Anyone used the Multi Monitors Add-On for GNOME? Does that work with Unity to add panels to more than one monitor?
[20:38] <aidrocsid> Last version I see comments mentioning it working with was 18.04
[20:38] <CyberMent> Hi there, I set up the computer to go blank after 15 minutes, when I come back and move my mouse it shows me a screen with a clock.  I have to "push" it up in order to use the computer.  Is there any way to get rid of that screen?  I want to be able to see the desktop as soon as I move the mouse.
[20:38] <CyberMent> I'm using 18.04 btw
[20:40] <yaaa> When i login into kde plasma i get black screen and icons of programs broken like these https://goo.gl/z1CzhJ please help
[20:40] <sonicwind> I'd like to know the answer to that also. CyberMent, you can also press the space bar rather than pushing it up with the mouse.
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> CyberMent: add a new bug for it, and make it a wishlist in your title then find more users to want this too
[20:44] <yaaa> ANYONE CAN HELP ME ONCE AND FOR ALL?
[20:45] <cdupont> ?join #haskell
[20:46] <tomreyn> !ops | please help yaaa once and for all (-
[20:46] <yaaa> Yes please help me once and for all
[20:46] <texla> I would like someone to tell me how to fix overlapping partitions..https://pastebin.com/q7J0AkMq
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[20:47] <aidrocsid> Okay, so Multi Monitors Add-On for GNOME works, but I'm not sure how to get Activities Configurator to work with it. Any ideas?
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[20:55] <doug16k> texla, wow, how did you manage to get it into that state?
[20:56] <tomreyn> yes, impressive, i didnt know you could do that
[20:57] <texla> doug16k, It was not easy I promise!
[20:57] <tomreyn> texla: io guess backup what you still need and start fresh. or tell us what you did to end up there and maybe we have a better suggestion then.
[20:57] <yaaa> YAaa
[20:59] <texla> tomreyn, This all started with upgrading to Ubuntu 18.04.1 and adding 2 more distro's and overlooking the extended partition install
[21:01] <doug16k> texla, that's quite odd. a 500GB drive with 4KB physical sectors?
[21:01] <doug16k> usually large sector drives are huge
[21:01] <texla> tomreyn, What does boot disk do to mbr when you run it
[21:02] <texla> doug16k, Late night absent mind does a lot of thing wrong
[21:04] <doug16k> texla, can you show the output of /proc/partitions?
[21:05] <doug16k> `cat /proc/partitions` I mean
[21:08] <texla> doug16k, https://pastebin.com/6PB2unYD
[21:11] <yaaa> Tomreyn gay
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[21:12] <tomreyn> texla: i don't understand "What does boot disk do to mbr when you run it"
[21:12] <doug16k> texla, do those partitions contain data that you don't want to lose?
[21:13] <doug16k> if not I'd say just delete the partitions and start over
[21:13] <tomreyn> ^ i agree
[21:15] <texla> tomreyn, Boot Disk live cd you can run mbr  I have never run mbr and wondering what it corrects
[21:16] <doug16k> if you have another drive, you can dd each partition to a file on it, then fsck the files to check their validity and/or fix corruptions. you can mount the files to get at the data
[21:16] <doug16k> once you have rescued any data you need to keep, then just delete all the partitions on the original drive and start over
[21:16] <texla> doug16k, The only one that has data I don't want to loose when reinstall is 18.04.1
[21:20] <tomreyn> texla: 'mbr' stands for 'master boot record', which refers to a small storage area on the first sector of your disk. i dont think there is a command 'mbr' that you can run (but i might be wrong).
[21:21] <tomreyn> texla: i'm also not aware of a linux (?) live cd distribution named "Boot Disk".
[21:22] <texla> doug16k, The extended partition will have to be deleted from live cd can live gparted be used to delete all partition
[21:22] <tomreyn> texla: backup your data now, then reinstall all that is installed on this disk now.
[21:23] <dc-> I'm about to code a gnome application with gtk3, anyone have any ideas what might be useful?
[21:23] <leftyfb> dc-: knowing how to code a gnome application with gtk3
[21:24] <leftyfb> dc-: also, your question is unrelated to ubuntu. You should try #ubuntu-devel or #development or something.
[21:24] <texla> tomreyn, There is a disc call boot disc and I have used it to fix my boot loader and other item is mbr was not aware what it does
[21:27] <texla> tomreyn, Can I use live gparted to delete all the partitions and reinstall afterwards
[21:29] <tomreyn> texla: you can use the gparted live linux distribution to delete the partition table, or to delete the partitions one by one (but deleting them one by one could run into an error since you have this logically impossible partition table there).
[21:29] <tomreyn> texla: to reinstall, you the ubuntu installer / live image.
[21:29] <leftyfb> why not just use an ubuntu cd/usb, wipe the entire partition table and start over?
[21:30] <tomreyn> texla: you can also delete the partition table form the ubuntu installer / live image, so you dont need to get gaprted-live prepared just for this-
[21:30] <tomreyn> lefty beat me to it
[21:31] <texla> tomreyn, When making partition should each one be larger than the preceding other
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[21:32] <leftyfb> texla: don't make any partitions. Just use the guided partitioning/install as part of the ubuntu installer and use the entire drive
[21:33] <cake> hello, can i ask questions in this IRC? or is there a specific one for it?
[21:33] <leftyfb> cake: this is an Ubuntu support channel
[21:33] <texla> leftyfb, How willl I install two other linux distro if I don't make partition for each one
[21:34] <cake> okay leftyfb, thank you
[21:34] <leftyfb> texla: Why do you need other linux distro's? Sounds like you should stick with one for a bit to get a better understanding
[21:34] <cake> i'm running ubuntu server on my home server, before that I had FreeNAS running on it and had few mount points on there.
[21:35] <cake> i can't unmount them, since they're not in /etc/fstab
[21:35] <cake> what can i do to get rid of them?
[21:35] <leftyfb> cake: sudo umount /path/to/mount
[21:35] <cake> when i reboot they're back
[21:35] <texla> leftyfb, I have been making partition since 8.04 and this it the first time i have had overlapping partitions
[21:35] <leftyfb> then the mount points are in fstab or some other mechanism
[21:36] <leftyfb> texla: ok, then you've got over 10 years of experience with making partitions. You should be good
[21:36] <cake> leftyfb: they're not in fstab, they seem to be in mstab
[21:37] <cake> mtab*
[21:37] <leftyfb> cake: mtab isn't something that persists across reboots. It only shows the current mounts
[21:38] <leftyfb> cake: sudo grep -R "some string mentioning your mount name" /etc 2>/dev/null
[21:39] <cake> leftyfb: shows /etc/dfs/sharetab and /etc/mtab
[21:39] <cake> is sharetab something that i can edit manually?
[21:39] <leftyfb> cake: I've never heard of that before
[21:39] <leftyfb> sounds like a "not ubuntu" thing
[21:40] <leftyfb> in fact it pulls up a lot of Oracle/Solaris stuff on google
[21:40] <cake> leftyfb: its probably from FreeNAS
[21:40] <leftyfb> cake: good guess
[21:40] <cake> i switched from FreeNAS to ubuntu
[21:41] <leftyfb> cake: if you wiped your OS(FreeNAS) and installed ubuntu, then that should not be left over
[21:41] <cake> that files shows all the culprits, i need to get rid of them
[21:41] <cake> i did not wipe the hdd
[21:41] <cake> didn't have another hdd to temporarily carry the data over
[21:41] <leftyfb> cake: You should seek support from FreeNAS. I'm not familiar enough with it to tell you that you can just wipe it. Especially since something is utilizing that config. Something not ubuntu
[21:43] <cake> leftyfb: good call, gonna ask in their IRC
[21:43] <leftyfb> cake: please paste the output of this to pastebin: lsb_release -a
[21:43] <cake> leftyfb: thank you!!
[21:43] <cake> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS Release:	16.04 Codename:	xenial
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[21:44] <leftyfb> sounds like ubuntu, but you've got something honoring /etc/dfs/sharetab which as far as I know, isn't anything ubuntu does
[21:45] <leftyfb> In fact, I just searched, nothing in stock ubuntu does anything with /etc/dfs at all
[21:45] <leftyfb> ok, gotta go
[21:46] <cake> leftyfb: thanks for your time!
[21:46] <cake> helped me a lot already, found out more
[21:47] <desen> Hi! I recently confirm an installer's bug in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1784144/ . If anyone can help, I will be grateful. Thanks in advance.
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[21:57] <age6racer> hi all, it's been many years since I chatted to humans in an IRC channel! I'm hoping that some amongst you might be able to help me with a problem I'm having with EFI/UEFI. It's driving me mad!
[21:57] <Bashing-om> !ask | age6racer
[21:58] <yaa> Age6racer: then go fuck yourself elsewhere
[21:58] <age6racer> thank you Bashing-om
[21:58] <age6racer> fuck you, yaa
[21:59] <yaa> No fu you age6racer
[21:59] <yaa> Ck
[21:59] <Bashing-om> age6racer: Ask and see who knows .. I however am EFI dumb :)
[22:00] <Bashing-om> !language
[22:00] <yaa> Age6racer no one remembers you
[22:00] <yaa> Troll
[22:00] <age6racer> Bashing-om: apologies.. won't do it again
[22:01] <yaa> Troll
[22:01] <yaa> Doo doo
[22:02] <age6racer> I have partitioned a brand new nvme drive with a 512mb FAT32 partition using gdisk and set type to EF00 and flag to boot, esd. When I run an installer from a live USB it all goes smoothly and finishes without errors but after reboot the drive still doesn't show as an option in my UEFI boot list.
[22:03] <yaa> Age6racer you douchebag
[22:06] <age6racer> I've been thinking about chrooting into the install and seeing if I can manually ensure that all the correct files in the right directories but I have had enormous trouble getting networking to work in the chroot :(
[22:10] <Bashing-om> age6racer: networking cable or WIFI ?
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[22:15] <age6racer> Bashing-om: wifi
[22:19] <CarlFK> will ssh-keygen create ~/.ssh ?
[22:20] <CarlFK> it just errored: Saving key "/home/juser/.ssh/rsa_key" failed: No such file or directory^
[22:23] <Bashing-om> age6racer: Again, my dumbness, do not know how to activate wifi in the chroot .
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[22:39] <radice> lol
[22:42] <CarlFK> how to I stop this from using less? to page the output?  systemd-resolve --status
[22:42] <CarlFK> I want to cut/paste it into a paste bin, and I keep having to fight with it, like "systemd-resolve --status|cat" works if I remember
[22:57] <ntd> networkmanager version in bionic=
[22:57] <ntd> ?
[22:57] <yaa> Doo doo ntd
[22:58] <ntd> 1.10
[22:59] <ntd> thanks
[23:04] <CarlFK> why this no worky?   host pc8 => Host pc8 not found: 2(SERVFAIL)   resolf.conf and all sorts of stuff  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gxxkzymkWH/
[23:08] <m00n_urn> hey!
[23:08] <de-facto> CarlFK PAGER=cat systemctl ...
[23:09] <m00n_urn> do any of the systemd folders have a example unit file which is filled in to play with?
[23:09] <CarlFK> de-facto: thanks.  export PAGER=cat - that way I don't have to remember it.
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[23:10] <de-facto> yup
[23:10] <CarlFK> also: export PAGER=
[23:15] <user______> Hi
[23:16] <user______> Which dpkg command is equal to dpkg from recovery option which fix dpkg and packages? , I want run the same command from terminal rather then restart the computer and choose recovery mode
[23:20] <de-facto> user______, i dont know if i understand your question, but in general "sudo apt -f install" can fix broken dependencies and such
[23:21] <user______> Ok thanks
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[23:29] <user______> What is this does ? sudo init 6
[23:33] <Bashing-om> user______: init 6 is "reboot" .
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[23:34] <user______> reboot the system ?
[23:34] <cyberspectre> My username in Ubuntu is jake. I'm trying to do sudo chown user:jake /dir/file, but it's giving me "invalid user"
[23:34] <Bashing-om> user______: Yup - reboots the system .
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[23:38] <user______> ok thanks
[23:38] <CarlFK> cyberspectre:  sudo chown  :jake /dir/file,
[23:38] <CarlFK> er, no : either
[23:38] <CarlFK> cyberspectre:  sudo chown  jake /dir/file
[23:39] <cyberspectre> CarlFK, thank you
[23:39] <cyberspectre> the tutorial I'm following is shoddy
[23:40] <RavenSM> hey everyone, hows everyone doing
[23:46] <jiffe> so I'm trying to apt-get remove apparmor and its telling me that it also needs to remove mysql-server ?
[23:46] <bilm> I have a Dell Latitude - having issues with wifi (enable/disable)