[07:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:15] <zxmoy-pi> morning mammals...
[08:22] <brobostigon> morning elves
[14:26] <penguin42> hmm, energy supplier trying to raise prices in the middle of a contract
[14:27] <daftykins> that's rather rude
[14:27] <penguin42> yes
[14:28] <daftykins> great news, the lady who works in the cancer research charity shop near me has agreed to take older fixed up computers from me for selling in the shop \o/
[14:28] <daftykins> i'm always getting offered old machines that wouldn't be so bad with a bit of time spent + Linux installer to rid them of the EOL Windows they may have come with
[14:29]  * penguin42 isnt sure how well a cancer research shop would deal with selling a Linux machine
[14:30] <daftykins> one way to find out :D
[14:30] <daftykins> probably just list them for pennies i would recommend to her anyway - and obviously i'd be just gifting them
[14:32] <penguin42> wouldn't it be easier to take it to one of the 2nd hand shops and then give the money to Cancer Research?
[14:32] <daftykins> they operate as a second hand shop...
[14:33] <daftykins> at least that's the idea i was getting from looking inside :P
[14:33] <penguin42> well yes, but there are 2nd hand tech shops that know which end of a computer is which
[14:33] <daftykins> haha, maybe in England
[14:33] <daftykins> no such thing over here
[14:34] <penguin42> ah
[14:34] <daftykins> and why would they need to be knowledgable themselves? if there were printed up spec sheets on each
[14:35] <daftykins> anyway, can but give it a try with one or two and see how it goes
[14:35] <daftykins> i don't want to go hoarding junk myself that can't be shifted
[14:36] <penguin42> yeh; although if they can't shift it then they have to end up paying to get rid
[14:36] <daftykins> no we have free electronics recycling
[14:38] <penguin42> is that only for individuals or for companies/organisations as well?
[14:40] <daftykins> well it wouldn't be a problem at scale if they can't get rid of the first few, would it?
[14:40] <zxmoy-pi> isn't there a charity that specifically takes old machines for sending to africa and other poor parts of the planet?
[14:41] <penguin42> daftykins: How old are these machines?
[14:41] <daftykins> nah you know what, forget it - i've had enough of the negativity
[14:42] <zxmoy-pi> https://camara.org/
[14:43] <zxmoy-pi> i'd jsut be worried that i'd end up with all the 'i can't find internet explorer icon' calls... :-/
[14:46] <diddledan> I wonder if camara would accept a Compaq Proliant rackmount server
[14:47] <diddledan> Pentium 3!!!
[14:47] <penguin42> ouch
[14:47] <zxmoy-pi> when the pentium bug was fresh in the intel engineers mind...
[14:48] <daftykins> don't see how any support would come back to me :)
[14:48]  * penguin42 still has my original Pentium 90 in the corner (it doesn't have the fault, because I got the chip replaced!)
[14:48] <zxmoy-pi> oh in that case daftykins... :-)
[14:49] <daftykins> i have thought it through a little bit more than you lot seem to be considering :D
[14:50] <diddledan> put a flyer in the package promoting $competitor for people to call for help "finding the internet button"
[14:50] <daftykins> the mentioned charities are a nice idea, but i'm not paying to ship old gear off island
[14:50] <zxmoy-pi> cheap boat anchors for sale! :-D
[14:51]  * penguin42 once had an old SPARC server at work that was a performance reference; we called it 'ballast'
[14:51] <daftykins> come to think i was going to phone up some guy on the smaller islands to see if they had any use, too
[14:51] <diddledan> put his or her mobile tephelone number on the flyer and state 24/7
[14:51] <diddledan> does Sark have the internet yet?
[14:51] <daftykins> they have a microwave radio link for their telephone exchange to here xD
[14:52] <zxmoy-pi> we had a line driver... a primite ups for ironing out spikes in mains power from the late 50s early 60s. weighed about the same as 4 hp laser jet iii's
[14:52] <diddledan> ouch
[14:52] <diddledan> that's HEAVY
[14:52] <daftykins> Sark actually had the highest broadband take up of anywhere here
[14:52] <zxmoy-pi> we used it as a door stop
[14:52] <zxmoy-pi> that door was going nowhere
[14:52] <diddledan> I really should weigh my proliants to see how heavy they are
[14:53] <penguin42> compaq machines weren't known for being light
[14:53] <diddledan> they really aren't light - I can barely lift one on my own
[14:53] <zxmoy-pi> mult mode computes... also paperweights...
[14:54] <daftykins> ah those old machine chassis were crazy
[14:55] <daftykins> the first batch contains a core 2 duo desktop, an HP DV6000 which i'd be surprised if even worked and a compaq laptop that might contain an AMD X2
[14:55] <zxmoy-pi> pressed steel cases, recycled wwii tanks...
[14:56] <penguin42> core 2 duo was usable - this laptop is
[14:56] <daftykins> keyword 'was' :D
[14:56] <diddledan> I loved my core2
[14:57] <penguin42> I just use this machine for irc though, opening a browser makes it think
[14:57] <diddledan> I had an athlon64 before that
[14:57] <daftykins> yeah the modern web is a bit of a different story
[14:58] <daftykins> well, i can only imagine those happy to pick up a machine for <£50 from a charity shop have low standards to be doing so :)
[14:59] <zxmoy-pi> these people expect more for less
[15:00] <daftykins> so what's the real angle here for why you're being so negative about the idea? doesn't seem to be any skin off my nose but a small amount of time
[15:01] <diddledan> I say it's a good plan :-)
[15:01] <daftykins> ^_^
[15:02] <diddledan> letting folk have access to cheap second hand gear means that those with not much money have the ability to get a working pc which will get them on or keep them on the innernet - especially as government stuff is going mostly online-first
[15:02] <diddledan> and it helps the charity with a bit of money
[15:02] <diddledan> and you get shot of dead stock :-)
[15:03] <zxmoy-pi> this is the sort of customer you can expect... https://notalwaysright.com/search/charity+shop
[15:04] <daftykins> yep and it doesn't end up dumped in landfill
[15:05]  * penguin42 made this core2 a lot better by putting a small SSD in instead of the spinning rust
[15:05] <zxmoy-pi> couldn't find any spinning rust in latest argos catalog....
[15:05] <daftykins> yeah, i don't think i'd be willing to even throw in cheap ones and expect some money back before passing them on - though it would definitely make a difference to make them SSD based
[15:06] <daftykins> naturally they're gonna need checking for if the old spinners are faulty
[15:07] <daftykins> zxmoy-pi: even that seems to be hassling the store staff and not me ;)
[15:18] <daftykins> so, RIP Barry Chuckle... no longer will an answer be spoken to 'To me...'
[15:29] <diddledan> :-(
[15:30] <daftykins> also wth at their 80 year old brother marrying a 26 year old 'fan'
[15:32] <zxmoy-pi> moving slightly beyond fandom there to superfan...
[15:37] <diddledan> not so much daddy-complex as great grandaddy-complex
[15:38] <daftykins> xD
[20:58] <daftykins> a wild m0nkey_ !
[21:05]  * m0nkey_ does m0nkey stuff
[21:05] <daftykins> ooh look at 'im go!
[21:05] <daftykins> how're things? hot in diet 'murica right now?
[21:09] <m0nkey_> diet america.. lol
[21:09] <m0nkey_> yeah, it's a bit warm
[21:11] <daftykins> any fires still raging?
[21:11] <daftykins> even Guernsey was feeling left out - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-guernsey-45059371
[21:22] <daftykins> i covered quite some miles on the ol' 2 wheels yesterday, https://goo.gl/maps/ELBiZnPr7a72