[10:32] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: installer: seed linux-udebs-snapdragon @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=a45e00c59174d5bce28f982ea717f494b9bb640a (by Adam Conrad)
[12:40] <pmjdebruijn> is there any documentation on how the official xubuntu ISOs are generated?
[12:47] <pmjdebruijn> I used to have a script of my own that wrapped around live-build, but now it's generating broken initrds
[14:53] <pmjdebruijn> ubuntu-defaults-builder generates broken initrd's as well
[15:05] <pmjdebruijn> oh wait, the new iso no longer wants initrd.lz
[17:58] <ochosi> Unit193: btw, i've missed a bit in here but have you taken a look at the latest xfce4-session?
[17:58] <ochosi> seems like quite a few things should be fixed by now
[17:59] <ochosi> and i'm wondering if it makes sense to throw it in the experimental PPA so we can test it a little to decide if we wanna ship it or not
[17:59] <Unit193> Not in the slightest.
[17:59] <ochosi> (although the default would be not shipping it, because that's what we committed to in the beginning of the cycle, i guess)
[18:01] <ochosi> xfwm4 4.13 finally seems to work ok for me
[18:02] <Unit193> xfwm4 4.13 is always a 'for me' or 'not for me' type of deal.
[18:02] <ochosi> in which respect? you mean: works for some, doesn't for others?
[18:02] <Unit193> yep.
[18:04] <ochosi> hmm, haven't heard many complaints about the latest release
[18:04] <ochosi> have you?
[18:04] <Unit193> Haven't tested it since it was pretty flakey for me.
[18:05] <Unit193> xfwm4                     4.13.1-0ppa1~18.10          11
[18:05] <Unit193> xfwm4                     4.13.1-0ppa1~18.04          44
[18:05] <Unit193> Surely someone might have said something, and not just downgraded...
[21:41] <bluesabre> Unit193, ochosi: gaston seemed to be having some issues with it earlier today on #xfce-dev
[21:44] <ochosi> crap, shouldn't have lost my connection
[21:45] <ochosi> bluesabre: xfwm4 or the session though?
[21:45] <bluesabre> ochosi: xfwm4, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Fy7TrBkgRq/
[21:46] <ochosi> interesting
[21:46] <ochosi> anyway, runs stable enough for me to add the theming part ;)
[21:47] <ochosi> at least that one is fine
[21:47] <bluesabre> that's good :D
[21:47] <ochosi> and i hope i can add a hidpi theme for xfwm4 for 18.10
[21:47] <ochosi> not sure if i'll make it in tim
[21:47] <ochosi> e
[21:47] <ochosi> but the basics are there now
[21:47] <bluesabre> that's with gtk scaling or a separate theme?
[21:51] <ochosi> separate theme
[21:51] <Unit193> So, no xfwm then.
[21:51] <ochosi> the gtk scaling part is in gtk+ itself (headerbars)
[21:52] <ochosi> and the hidpi theme is an extra variant of greybird that goes with the x2 scaling of gtk+ and x11
[21:52] <ochosi> ideally we'll try to be a little more intelligent about this in xfce in the future
[21:53] <ochosi> i.e. when you switch scaling factors it switches to a hidpi version of the theme
[21:53] <ochosi> but anyway, that would have to be discussed with olivier
[21:55] <ochosi> meanwhile i'll try to fix up the theme variant, that'll be needed in any case
[21:55] <bluesabre> maybe we'd have some 2x, 3x variants inside the xfwm4 theme folder
[21:57] <ochosi> exactly
[21:57] <ochosi> that would be the easiest and most straightforward solution
[21:57] <ochosi> same as with icon themes
[21:57] <bluesabre> mhm
[21:58] <ochosi> other than that i hope i'll get to some hacking this week
[21:58] <ochosi> do you know of any high-prio stuff i should take a look at?
[21:59] <Unit193> ochosi: I pinged you several times, but you never came. :(
[21:59] <ochosi> (sorry, after two weeks of holidays i don't seem to remember a thing ;D)
[21:59] <ochosi> soooooorrry
[21:59]  * Unit193 pouts.
[21:59]  * ochosi lures Unit193 out of his corner
[22:00] <ochosi> anything in particular you pinged me about?
[22:00] <Unit193> The icon theme transition being worked on by blue.
[22:00] <ochosi> ah, what's happening there exactly?
[22:00] <ochosi> anything i should contribute to?
[22:01] <Unit193> Nah it's packaging stuff, but IIRC you were disinterested in using my new nice package, elementary-xfce-icon-theme since it ships svgs, and you're a fan of xubuntu-icon-theme's pngs?
[22:02] <ochosi> the main issue with svgs is that their less performant and they look smudgy in a lot of apps
[22:02] <bluesabre> technically the png theme is a downstream enhancement (part of the ubuntu packaging)
[22:02] <ochosi> what's the problem with including the svgtopng.c part in your nice package?
[22:02] <ochosi> yeah, that's what it is right now
[22:02] <ochosi> i don't mind including it upstream
[22:02] <ochosi> we can add a makefile there and the svgtopng crap
[22:03] <ochosi> if that helps you with harmonizing the situatio
[22:03] <ochosi> n
[22:03] <Unit193> Mainly, svgs seem fairly normal to ship, I didn't want to complicate things too much, and xubuntu-icon-theme repacks upstream's source as pngs.
[22:07] <Unit193> ochosi: My main point was that I didn't want to waste bluesabre's time if we were going to continue to use xubuntu-icon-theme.
[22:09] <bluesabre> what if we added the png-maker to upstream and the built png theme become the norm?
[22:09] <bluesabre> for both debian and ubuntu
[22:10] <Unit193> If it is effortless on both our parts, sure?
[22:48] <ochosi> bluesabre: yup, i would also go that way
[22:48] <ochosi> if you wanna add a makefile and the svgtopng binary to the repo feel free to
[22:48] <ochosi> gotta get some sleep now
[22:59] <bluesabre> ochosi: alrighty, will see about doing that tonight/tomorrow