 @slacker70, If that's your goal, go for it!
[01:25] <ubptgbot> Romolos was added by: Romolos
 @te_online, It was kinda a "Special thing" for the live viewers. :)
 Hi there Romolos! I don't normally do this welcoming message thing, but you can check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get started here at UBports
 @UniversalSuperBox, Alright 😉
 @K31j0, In my view, we shouldn't be ultra-literal about OT. Common sense indicates when conversations should move. Chill
 @John, That would be an awesome app,
 I think they use something that a developer could easily use
 "osc" maybe
 http://behringerwiki.music-group.com/index.php?title=OSC_Remote_Protocol
[10:46] <sebsebseb> hi
[10:46] <sebsebseb> so
[10:46] <sebsebseb> so interesting, mx 4 is now a core device?  bq  4.5 even?
[10:46] <sebsebseb> I remember those being as legacy not going to get a 16.04 update
 That's not what legacy meant
[10:53] <sebsebseb> ubptgbot: was that for me ?
[10:53] <sebsebseb> oh the bot hmm
[10:53] <sebsebseb> oh yeah can talk through the other thing
 Yes, but not a bot
 It's the telegram bridge
[10:54] <sebsebseb> I thought legacy mostly meant, these dev ices will stay on a 15.04 based image, since for whatever reasons can't be upgraded to a 16.04 when its time
[10:54] <sebsebseb> and yes the telegram bridge I remember now, I haven't been in here for quite a while
 Not for ubports
[10:54] <sebsebseb> last time I looked mx 4 and bq 4.5 was under legacy, not  core
[10:54] <sebsebseb> core being tehse devices will get 16.04
[10:55] <sebsebseb> but now I saw they are under core
 No
[10:56] <sebsebseb> it was core, legacy, and community before or something
 There were odd groupings yes. But your definition of what it meant is implied, not actual
 Hence the "legacy" is no more
[10:58] <sebsebseb> I am pretty sure I read before, that the MX 4 and bq 4.5 would  stay on the 15.04 image and never get a 16.04 upgrade, but it seems that now they will actaully get a 16.04 ?
 Everything has 16.04 yes
[10:59] <sebsebseb> how come its possible to upgrade the devices that were apparnatly going to just stay on 15.04 and that's it, to 16.04  now ?
 Not in stable yet, but there are images for all devices
 Because ubports is not canonical
[10:59] <sebsebseb> yes I saw that too, it's not quite ready the 16.04 stuff, but in releaase canddidate getting there
[11:00] <sebsebseb> I thought it was technical reasons holding back the MX 4 though, keeping it off a 16.04 image as well?  that something was too propritary in the hardwre that caused problems ?
 Those devices were not going to get 16.04 from canonical, because of kernel versions
[11:00] <sebsebseb> what was up with the kernel version then? and how come ubports can now do it ?
 Because ubports isn't basing on snaps
[11:01] <sebsebseb> yes the whole snappy thing  that  was part of Canonica's issues with ubuntu touch it seems too, trying too do to much at once, and what was wrong wtih click packages really?
[11:02] <sebsebseb> and is upborts staying on click then ?
 Yes. system-image and clicks
 And upstart
[11:03] <sebsebseb> ./me maybe I will eventually reflash my  not really used  anymore bq 4.5 at some stage then,  that's actsaully still on a old 4.10 image, since I hd thought I Had lost it before etc
[11:04] <sebsebseb> system image,  the background stuff with the kernel I guess?   and ah right yeah system d, so its been cut out of Ubuntu's 16.04?  I think its in there
 It's not fully in 16.04
[11:05] <sebsebseb> oh only partially ?
[11:05] <sebsebseb> what happens when 16.04 runs out of support in 2021 though,  what will ubports do then you recoken ?
[11:06] <sebsebseb> also is this thing offically  called Ubuntu touch now or pretty much,  but with Canonica's permission, I mean I upgraded my mx 4 the other day,  and the boot up screen got replaced
 We'll let you know on 3 years
 Yes
[11:06] <sebsebseb> so  Canonical haev allowed Ubports to call it Ubuntu Touch offically, and even use the ubuntu logo ?
[11:07] <sebsebseb> so Ubports is like Kubuntu or something like that, or kind of
[11:07] <sebsebseb> not a Linux Mint
 Yes. Something like that
[11:08] <sebsebseb> but yes its basically the Ubuntu community,  carrying on their Ubuntu TOuch, that they as a company dropped
[11:08] <sebsebseb> when did the boot up screen change ?
[11:08] <ubptgbot> Eyvan Hediya was added by: Eyvan Hediya
[11:08] <sebsebseb> I thought the ubports one lookked unproffesioanl with teh smiley face etc uh
 I don't know
[11:09] <sebsebseb> so since  Ubports is staying with the older stuff basically,   no systemd no snaps etc,  the so called legacy devices can actsually get the 16.04 as well, interesting
 @sebsebseb, Yeah, totally unprofessional for Google to use a cartoon robot
[11:10] <sebsebseb> oh was it meant to be inspired by that h eh
[11:14] <sebsebseb> btut that[s awesome  I can get 16.04 updates on those phones even
[11:14] <sebsebseb> so does that mean te android app support via andbox should eventually come to such phones as well even ?
 Any discord app for ut?
 Apart from webapp?
 @sebsebseb, That's the plan
 @bollickybill, Check the open store
[11:22] <sebsebseb> that's awesome :),  I thought the mx  4 was well that was pretyt much it, those 15.04  updates, for security and  yeah, but no it's getting the full blown 16.04 as well now, awesome :)
[11:23] <sebsebseb> and I assume Unity 8 under UBports has been progressing nicely as well? with some new features and so on ?
[11:23] <sebsebseb> and what's up with the brwoser in the 16.04 images, website seemed to say lots of bugs, but nevermind, since it's going to get completly replaced with someo ther browser anyway,  that runs what webkit as well ?
 Not so much new features. The focus so far has been 16.04 on phones
[11:24] <sebsebseb> well yes that makes sense the actsual  briign the os  the 16.04 one to the phoens etc,  new features can come later
 @sebsebseb, Neither are webkit. They are chromium based
[11:25] <sebsebseb> chromium uses webkit I thought ?
 Chrome uses their own webengine. It is called Blink I think.
 No, it's blink
[11:28] <sebsebseb> oh
 I was kind of puzzled by this, I was sort of expecting to find Firefox as the default browser instead of Chromium
 Anyone knows why? Just being curious
 Neither is the default browser
 The default browser is based on the chromium rendering engine
 @dohbee, Yep sorry, I meant chromium-based
 gecko was not a good option for mobile
 May I ask why? It seems like it works good on Android
 Just curious about the thought/decision process for stuff like that
 the firefox app for android is not gecko, and you need to go back 5 years in time and try things from then, not what you see today
 @dohbee, Err, yes it is. But yeah, 5 years ago it was utter garbage.
 heck, a year ago it was pretty awful
 there are plenty of other reasons why gecko would have been a bad choice, i'm sure, but by and large firefox was very bad at performance, and especially bad for low memory situations
 when you've got 16-32G of RAM it's one thing. when you've got 768M-2G, it's something completely different
 chromium by and large rendered mobile pages better, faster, and using less resources, and the development API for building a browser around it lets you really get your hands dirty, while gecko is far more black box browser embedding
 @dohbee, wait, I thought the android app used Gecko, is that not the case?
 @kipters, It definitely does...
 @Lyokanthrope, Oh ok, great :D
 @dohbee, Makes sense, thanks :D
 @Lyokanthrope, does it now? or did it used to long ago? i thought it was a fork of firefox, and that 60+ doesn't really have gecko any more?
 Firefox most certainly still uses Gecko, though they've been augmenting it with stuff from Servo, their other (experimental) layout engine.
 @Lyokanthrope, oh i mean, gecko as the thing that other people can embed to create a browser on top of, not the internal rendering core
 i guess they were/are named the same though :-/
 Oh, misunderstood. Though I don't think that's really changed either?
 anyway, doesn't matter for us
 Hello!! … Someone with OnePlus One has multirom installed?  … I'm trying to dualboot Android (LineageOS 15.1) and UT but refuses to boot saying … "Your kernel doesn't support kexec"  … But Multirom say yes
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/7EHeS6bz.png I mean this hehe
 multirom is not supported by ubuntu touch currently
 Do I have to use another android rom?
 @vanyasem, and the thing you're trying to use is unofficial and probably won't work
 https://youtu.be/YegM4yADsqE
 I was following this "guide" 🙈
 Well I'm glad they were able to do it... Maybe you'll want to ask them?
 ask the author of that guide :)
 I asked him but meanwhile I was asking here too if someone knows how to fix it.🙈
 I will keep trying! Thank you  … If I manage to fix it I will say something here in case someone wants to do it too 😊
 @SergioSRM, Welcome back Sergio. I think the Multirom fixes are very unstable when they do work. Not for real world use
 it's most likely your kernel, did you install a custom one?
 or maybe your TWRP is outdated?
 @Javacookies, Stock kernel. I never change it manually
 @Javacookies, TWRP updated with Multirom changes. Like in the YouTube video. … The difference is just my android rom. Im using linage OS and he "aosp extended rom" both based on Android 8.1
 @Javacookies, [Edit] TWRP updated with Multirom changes. Like in the YouTube video. … The difference is just my android rom. Im using linage OS and he is using "aosp extended rom" both based on Android 8.1
[14:30] <ubptgbot> markvesime was added by: markvesime
 sorry, never tried with lineage OS especially with oreo … I only have stock marshmallow
 @Javacookies, Thank you! I will try changing my rom 👍
[14:56] <ubptgbot> MatthewCroughan was added by: MatthewCroughan
 So, I have one question that I can't seem to find in youtube videos about UBTouch, is it ready for daily use yet? 😁
 I really just want to do the same thing with android that I did with Windows, and jump. But if alarm clocks still crash, that won't be an option. Oneplus One just so happens to be the device I'm using.
 [Edit] I really just want to do the same thing with android that I did with Windows, and jump. But if alarm clocks still crash, that won't be an option. Oneplus One just so happens to be the device I'm using, which I know is the best supported.
 well i mean stuff still crashes in Android sometimes, especially on certain phones
 people have been using ubuntu on phones daily for multiple years now, though
 @MatthewCroughan, Depends on your needs. I've been using it for three years.
 the only one who can make a determination if it's suitable for yourself, is you
 @alan_griffiths, Well the main question I have is whether kernel panics or really annoying things happen when using it.
 not usually
 Or if that is entirely solved now.
 I mean, I currently get kernel panics with the android 8 rom I'm using, so it's not like it'd be a downgrade lol.
 i mean, kernel panics were never really an issue
 do you have a supported device?
 Well the most recent UBTouch presentation I could find on youtube has an anecdote in it about a kernel panic when an alarm clock rang, rebooting the phone.
 oh, op1, so guess so
 and that was 2 months
 i don't know what you were watching or who made it, or what version they were using, or all the other conditions that might have lead to that happening
 https://youtu.be/2VSmo9CihBY?t=1532
 here's the exact timecode
 i used it as my only phone for 3 years on a nexus 5, and the worst problem with alarms i ever had, was they just didn't work sometimes
 but that was a long long time ago
 Right.
 So my next issue is with convergence on the OP1 since it doesn't have hdmi out.
 How would I get around that?
 @MatthewCroughan, FP2 is a bit strange. But that is FP2, not UT…
 @Stereofont, Thanks, assumed it couldn't be the case on OP1 considering it has been supported forever.
 As for convergence though, can you recommend any particularly good miracast dongles, etc?
 i'm not sure if anything works on op1 for external display
[15:13] <Sander^home> How come network went down, and there's a new indicator-network tab in EQ 4.5?
[15:13] <Sander^home> the tab is empty
 Sounds like network-manager might have crashed. Does a reboot fix it?
[15:17] <Sander^home> same problem after reboot
 Hrm. Got a erminal handy?
[15:17] <Sander^home> It did shut down with wireless network on, loosing power.
[15:18] <Sander^home> sure, I can get into terminal and double check, what should I be checking?
 If you do, `sudo status network-manager`
 i am guessing network-manager is fine
 but indicator-network is not
 hence you see `indicator-network` with a gear icon in top panel
 Yeah, `status indicator-network` would be the next one
 my guess is that this is a result of the Qt bug with a stale lock file for the settings ini file or something simialr
 simialr
 Ah. Remember where that is stored?
 under `~/.config` somewhere iirc
 don't recall exact path, or the bug number
[15:20] <Sander^home> network-manager start/running, process PID
 Aha
 `rm ~/.config/connectivity-service/config.ini.lock`
 From https://askubuntu.com/a/836030
 yeah that
 remove that, then `restart indicator-network`
[15:32] <Sander^home> cool, worked.
[15:32] <Sander^home> Why did it happen?
 Your device lost power unexpectedly?
[15:33] <Sander^home> yes
 The lock file is supposed to be removed on shutdown. Since the device lost power unexpectedly, the lock file wasn't removed
 The indicator didn't start because it thought it was already running
[15:35] <Sander^home> I see.. maybe its a good idea to double check for this file on bootup and display a screen, Please shutdown properly?
 No, it'd be better to use a PID file rather than a lock file
 Or just be able to detect if the lock is stale
[15:36] <Sander^home> is this the ultimate noob protection?;-)
 No. It's a bug, but it doesn't happen very often at all
[15:37] <Sander^home> leave shared network from cellnetwork on, and make it loose power.. then I guess it happens again
[15:38] <Sander^home> it goes into powerlockdown modus so it dosnt loose power after a while
 @UniversalSuperBox, well, it's not because this is used as a PID file
 but it would be better to fix the actual bug, yes
 it happened because qt was attempting to write to the settings file at the moment the power was lost, and so the lock file it created for that write, was left behind
[17:06] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> Hi all, is there a simple way to save a website to my home screen? (called scopes for ubports?) Like i can do with ios & android, typically go to the browser and click "add shortcut" on my android device.
 not yet. that feature never got implemented before canonical dropped support of unity/phones, and ubports has been concentrating more on getting our infrastructure in place and getting phones migrated to 16.04
[17:15] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> Ok, thank you
 after 16.04 has replaced 15.04 for stable, and the current browser maintenance situation is resolved, maybe that feature could be implemented
 I think the only way if to create a personal use webapp
 i think it's ironic that thanks to mobile devices, we now have browsers that are literally doing the same thing i was doing with my browser in 2001
 Hey @dohbee, did you ever work with the API docs or developer.ubuntu.com?
[17:52] <ubptgbot> elBatu was added by: elBatu
 Have I asked you this before?
 Probably.
 other than maybe writing a few comments in header files that became docs, not really
 Damn
 It's a weird mix of QDoc and Yuidoc and Sphinx XML and Doxygen
 @UniversalSuperBox what's the actual problem you're having?
 @UniversalSuperBox, yes it is
 Well, I'm not sure I have the full story. We forked off https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch-sdk-api-scripts to take the documentation builder and try to get it to output a bunch of RST. It does, but it definitely needs some improvement as api-docs.ubports.com shows
 At this point the RST it makes isn't so clean, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole mishmash.
 I've had to poke around those sites. They're weird but not incomprehensible.
 I could adjust the css files for responsivnes
 i think what Dalton is saying, is that the bit behind the end result, is what's incomprehensible :)
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HCDJQlnl.png
 @nanu_c, Hmm. Well, it's using the sphinx-rtd-theme
 Does docs.ubports.com work?
 Ah, that's the suff I try to ignore.
 @alan_griffiths, I wish I could too, but I want to freshen it up before the xenial release. ;)
 the main issue is that there's a huge number of packages, and they don't all use the same method of documentation
 which makes it hard to generate something that is the same method, from them
 oooh i didn't know there were ppl using ut for years and i knew systemd was a problem didn't know snaps were also a problem
 Touch has been around since 2012. someone has been using it since then
 i suppose so yeah hehe
 @UniversalSuperBox, that would be me 😊, but only since the 2013 MWC launch as a daily driver (not a daily driver for over a year now though).
 oooh 😍
 well, what we had at the 2013 MWC demo was not really usable at all. it was total demoware
[20:29] <ubptgbot> AarenT2Lci was added by: AarenT2Lci
 does someone know if there is a design pack with the components supported actually by the sdk? … for example button. https://api-docs.ubports.com/sdk/apps/qml/Ubuntu.Components/Button.html
 A design pack?
 @gab11010, not sure what you mean exactly, but i'm guessing SVGs of components which you can place in something to create mock-ups? there is no such thing for the uitk, no
 @dohbee, Actually there is ^^
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/WAiL0h01.svg
 @Flohack, uh, what?
 oh wow
 that is pretty old though
 doesn't quite match the current design
 @dohbee, Yeah but still usable
 And someone could start here and draw recent ones
 Actually this is a task for a Non-programmer
 Any graphic talent online??
 Here is repo for it: https://github.com/halfsail/Ubuntu-UI-Toolkit
 probably should mention it in the ux group
 forwarded your messages @Flohack
 thx
 I forked it for us now: https://github.com/ubports/Ubuntu-UI-Toolkit-1
 @dohbee, calls, sms and contacts were there, that was all I needed; and I had been dog fooding the phone pre-release long enough before that 😉
 .local/share/history-service/history.sqlite
 @Flohack, Too much atlassian?
 Wut?
 @Flohack, The -1 at the end
 thanks @Flohack @dohbee @UniversalSuperBox  … that´s what I was looking for. An update of the components available would be very useful for prototyping apps.  … @dohbee can you post the ling to the ux telegram group?
 Already did
 [Edit] thanks @Flohack @dohbee @UniversalSuperBox  … that´s what I was looking for. An update of the components available would be very useful for prototyping apps.  … @dohbee can you post the link to the ux telegram group?
 I would like to join, but I don´t know the link to the telegram group
 sorry I didn´t explain myself clearly enough