[10:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:41] <daftykins> good morn \o
[10:41] <diddledan> m00
[10:41] <brobostigon> o/
[10:43] <zxmoy-pi> only just o/
[10:45] <diddledan> \o/
[10:45] <diddledan> (that's me waving frantically trying to warn the choochoo driver)
[10:46] <daftykins> just had all those computers delivered
[10:46] <diddledan> ooh
[10:46] <daftykins> https://dafty.rocks/nextcloud/s/RZop7FSnFQzLHJ9 #1 is a speed demon
[10:47] <diddledan> noice
[10:50] <daftykins> haha whole OS is just frozen at the desktop
[10:50] <daftykins> blown away that the monitor is more like a 24" model though
[11:08] <daftykins> woooow yeah this HDD is toast
[11:18] <knightwise> hey peepz
[11:22] <daftykins> heya \o
[11:22] <daftykins> https://dafty.rocks/nextcloud/s/dCwyWns4grKL4HS
[11:22] <daftykins> that's not a happy bunny
[12:59] <diddledan> all I can tell from that smart log is that it says the disk is ok (I don't know how to read smart output)
[13:00] <zxmoy-pi> yeah, it is a bit technobabble. do i drop a disk with read errors or is that normal
[13:00] <zxmoy-pi> when i first started wayyyyyy back prepping a hard drive meant typing in pages of dodgy sectors to the software to tell it to ignore them
[13:01] <zxmoy-pi> the best indicator a drive was going south was the noise would change as it was accessed
[13:02] <zxmoy-pi> now they're so quiet it's more often the transfer speeds that tells me
[13:07] <diddledan> zip disks are great in that regard: once they click, they're dead, Jim
[13:16] <daftykins> well in this case there are hardware ECC errors in field 195, the reallocation count (field 196, for both successful and attempts at reallocating a wobbly sector) is astronomical - and field 187 has clearly hit its' upper bound of 65,536 uncorrectable errors (likely from bad sectors)
[13:16] <daftykins> so it's toast
[13:17] <daftykins> the fact the prog says OK is just cringeworthy
[13:20] <zxmoy-pi> the damage report computer has been damaged :-)
[13:21] <diddledan> "Computer! Damage report!"
[13:21] <diddledan> "Tea. Earl Grey. Hot."
[13:21] <zxmoy-pi> i really liked zip disks, though i preferred the ls120s as they worked with normal floppies too
[13:28] <daftykins> i saw clients with them but never owned any non-floppy type drive, never seemed a benefit for my uses
[13:30] <zxmoy-pi> we had lots of point of salese shops using tape drives for backups. problem with them was we'd buy about 10 tape drives per year and this years would be incompatible with last years. the ls120s and zip disks worked with every ls120 zip drive
[13:31] <zxmoy-pi> the software would sometimes vary within one batch to make a tape written by one drive incompatible with another...
[13:31] <zxmoy-pi> so if a shop got flooded and it's tape drive was destroyed having the tapes might not be enough to get it back
[13:34] <zxmoy-pi> or if a pc died rebuilding it with software that worked with the backup tapes could be a fun game and adventure
[13:43] <diddledan> my school used to do tape backups - they didn't store them offsite though
[13:43] <zxmoy-pi> that was.... wise....
[13:44] <diddledan> this was on an NT3.51 server
[13:45] <zxmoy-pi> one of the flooded shops only survived as they had insufficent space to store the backup zip disks on top of the pc. they had to be stored on a shelf 5 foot above floor which saved them
[13:45] <diddledan> haha
[13:45] <diddledan> I love how something "annoying" is the very thing that saves your ass
[13:46] <zxmoy-pi> they were supposed to be stored in managers office on high shelf but that never happened
[13:49] <diddledan> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jacqdqLD
[13:49] <diddledan> well that's a silly paste, irccloud
[13:50] <diddledan> TechRadar: AMD lets slip that its Threadripper 32-core CPU is over 50% faster than Intel's Core i9-7980XE. https://www-techradar-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.techradar.com/amp/news/amd-lets-slip-that-its-threadripper-32-core-cpu-is-over-50-faster-than-intels-core-i9-7980xe
[13:51] <diddledan> just realised that's an AMP link
[13:51] <diddledan> damn googs
[14:20] <daftykins> fully reassembled, whisper quiet - wow
[14:21] <diddledan> \o/
[14:21]  * diddledan whispers sweet nothings
[14:21] <daftykins> such a marked difference you wonder if you plugged the fan in
[14:25] <zxmoy-pi> ...did you plug the fan in... :-)
[14:25] <daftykins> maybe!
[14:29] <daftykins> yep i heard it! xD
[14:37] <daftykins> now for a working disk and an appropriate OS
[14:38] <zxmoy-pi> os/2 \o/
[14:42] <mgdm> I only yesterday clocked the OS/2 and PS/2 similarity
[14:42] <mgdm> d'oh
[14:42]  * zxmoy-pi throws cp/m into the mix...
[14:43] <zxmoy-pi> well os/2 was launched on pcs that were first to have ps/2.... and mca...
[14:46] <mgdm> well, the OS/2 PCs *were* PS/2s, weren't they? The connectors were just called that because those were the first machines to have them I think?
[14:48] <zxmoy-pi> yeah, a whole new architecture now that ibm realised these flippin pcs were selling and maybe off the shelf components allowed others to build on their hardware
[14:49] <zxmoy-pi> mca was stupid expensive
[14:54] <mgdm> Oh i forgot about MCA
[14:54] <zxmoy-pi> we _ALL_ want to forget about mca
[14:55] <mgdm> :D
[14:55] <mgdm> MCA, Rambus, what other expensive underwhelming tech was there?
[14:55] <zxmoy-pi> i'd like a network card... 1 genuine ne2000 ir£300
[14:56] <zxmoy-pi> uh cheaper? 1 generic ne2000 clone ir£175
[14:56] <mgdm> o_O
[14:56] <zxmoy-pi> oh and mca.... *kerching* ir£450
[14:57] <zxmoy-pi> that was in 80s when it was stupidly expensive. eventually even the isa ne2000 clones dropped to <ir£80
[14:58] <zxmoy-pi> and those prices covered installation as it required a degree in alchemy to set the feckers up
[14:58] <mgdm> hehe
[14:59] <zxmoy-pi> wheres the instructions. see the slip of paper with a phone number? yeah. that's the bbs in japan...
[14:59] <daftykins> vewy gewd
[15:00] <zxmoy-pi> or korea... or thailand... somewhere big on urinating dogs... :-P
[22:31] <m0nkey_> Time to poke the bear.. BSD perspective of systemd.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AeWu1fZ7bY
[22:31] <m0nkey_> It's actually kind of interesting.
[22:32] <m0nkey_> It doesn't make fun of it, it actually asks the question why Linux switched to it