[00:00] <fromBeyond> i installed it to /home/fromBeyond, and than wanted to use it as a sudoeditor
[00:01] <IntelCore> gedit in sudo
[00:02] <CarlFK> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/neovim  and if you really needed newer https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb
[00:02] <fromBeyond> burzos: So, if i run sudo make install, it does this things, moves the files to correct places in the /urs/lin , etc. But if I specify the istallation directory, like say $HOME/neovim, than everything gets installed to that directory?
[00:02] <fromBeyond> CarlFK: yes, that has been solved. I am now asking questions, to be less of a noob tomorow
[00:03] <burzos> That's a good question, I'm not exactly sure what happens if you specify some non-standard install location.
[00:03] <CarlFK> fromBeyond: there isn't always a "right" dir - "it depends" is more often the answer
[00:03] <burzos> Using you can pass a "--prefix" argument to ./configure that will let you change which part of the system it's installed.
[00:03] <burzos> s/Using/Usually
[00:03] <CarlFK> there are more and less surprising dirs which will be more or less of a headache later when something seems odd.
[00:05] <burzos> fromBeyond: https://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.62/html_node/Default-Prefix.html
[00:05] <fromBeyond> I see. Thank you all. I will go off to google with what i have learned here now. I love the apt-get, etc. pa now I want to learn what happens behind the scenes
[00:05] <burzos> The `configure` script is responsible for actually building the Makefile.
[00:05] <burzos> fromBeyond: https://www.gnu.org/savannah-checkouts/gnu/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.69/html_node/index.html#Top
[00:06] <burzos> https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/index.html#Top
[00:06] <burzos> This books are big, but they have lots of info about GNU building.
[00:07] <aqd> tomreyn, hm it got answers from the server which replies still doesnt have my MAC/IP in ARP table
[00:08] <CarlFK> fromBeyond: you can also read up on debian packaging - which is what apt uses.. and get lost in even more options
[00:08] <tomreyn> aqd: you can try asking in ##networking
[00:08] <aqd> ok thanks!
[00:08] <fromBeyond> lost, is what i am, yes :) but i am reading now, so in time, i will be less lost
[00:09] <leftyfb> fromBeyond: so installing from the ppa fixed everything?
[00:09] <fromBeyond> leftyfb: ofcourse :)
[00:09] <leftyfb> fromBeyond: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[00:09] <fromBeyond> 16.04
[00:10] <leftyfb> ok, just checking
[00:10] <leftyfb> fromBeyond: 18.04 has neovim available without needing to install from the PPA. Future reference
[00:10] <fromBeyond> very nice
[00:11] <fromBeyond> i guess vim is also async now, since 8.0, but i got used to neovim in this time
[00:11] <leftyfb> async?
[00:11] <fromBeyond> it can act asynchronously (spell?)
[00:12] <leftyfb> asynchronously from what/how?
[00:12] <leftyfb> it's an editor. When you do need it to run asynchronously?
[00:12] <burzos> When using plugins.
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[00:12] <IntelCore> I open terminal. I have also a cli for mono, but bash runs in the system terminal
[00:13] <leftyfb> IntelCore: what do you need help with?
[00:13] <fromBeyond> lets say you have a plugin that lints your file. Before 8.0, your editor would freeze, untill this was acomplised. But now, the linter runs async in the background, and updates the editor when its done
[00:13] <leftyfb> ah, cool
[00:13] <leftyfb> I should look into linters. They got one for just plain bash scripts?
[00:13] <IntelCore> integrated-applet-complete. but it's not gonna get fixed here
[00:14] <burzos> Yes, it's called `shellcheck`.
[00:14] <leftyfb> burzos: :P
[00:14] <tomreyn> there's also bashisms
[00:14] <leftyfb> burzos: I mean when editing
[00:15] <leftyfb> IntelCore: ok, then please keep on topic. No need for the useless commentary
[00:15] <fromBeyond> There are plugins for linting scripts, evertime you save
[00:16] <tomreyn> there surely is an eclipse addon ;)
[00:16] <leftyfb> I don't want a proper IDE
[00:16] <fromBeyond> but i mainly use a plugin for autocompletion. For linting, I have the, for example for python, autopep8 script, which i run in the background when the file is saved, which odifies the file in place, and vim is set to reload files
[00:17] <leftyfb> not a big deal either way
[00:17] <fromBeyond> leftyfb: https://github.com/w0rp/ale
[00:18] <leftyfb> I found that one. Only works for neovim and vim 8. Neither of which I have. Maybe i'll look into it when I upgrade to 18.04
[00:18] <fromBeyond> yes, async if only for 8+, and neovim. both are good choices. I got used to neovim, so i use that now
[00:20] <fromBeyond> leftyfb: thank you for asking the question. I never used a linter, just used that example. But loking at this plugin, it looks nice
[00:20] <fromBeyond> i wil try it out
[00:21] <fromBeyond> i write a lot of python, but i have tab=2*space, which is against all the rulesets. So I always have to set some aditional ignores
[00:22] <fromBeyond> and i use tab=2*space in c++ too, but there ane not probles with that
[00:30] <Jordan_U> I'm having some trouble running a VM I created with virt-manager a while ago. I made /var/lib/libvirt/ a symlink to /btrfs_external/libvirt/ so that I could store the VM on my external drive. When I open virt-manager, no virtual machines are listed (but there is also no error message). I expect it's a permissions problem. Any ideas? "virsh list --all" doesn't list any virtual machines either. "sudo ls
[00:30] <Jordan_U> /var/lib/libvirt/images/" lists the images for my VM, but ls without sudo does not as it's "drwx--x--x 1 root root".
[00:57] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04 grub 2.02..I deleted to partitions from msdos..My bootloader still has the partitions listed ..How do I erase them
[00:58] <N1TR0_73> hi
[00:58] <N1TR0_73> new here
[00:58] <N1TR0_73> 5
[01:00] <burzos> JordanU: What's not happening that you want to happen?
[01:02] <PlanetClever> hi every body
[01:05] <PlanetClever> what for is this chat channel ?
[01:05] <PlanetClever> ubuntu support ??
[01:05] <hggdh> PlanetClever: yes, and exclusively for Ubuntu and official derivatives support
[01:05] <Tin_man> PlanetClever, yes
[01:05] <wudo_honour> hi all , I want to have the rolling back  in   ubuntu,
[01:06] <wudo_honour> what can I do ?
[01:06] <Dave_____> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me out....I googled the issue but cant seem to find anything that works.  Upon boot up today I get the following error messages:
[01:06] <Dave_____> ACPI Error: No handler for Region [SYSI] ACPI Error: Region IPMI (ID=7) has no handler ACPI Error: Method parse/exectuion failed  ACPI Error: Method parse/exectuion failed  ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_EXIST
[01:06] <PlanetClever> thanks I have installed and running 12.4 LTS
[01:06] <Dave_____> I cant get out of emergancy mode!!!
[01:06] <PlanetClever> what about you ?
[01:07] <PlanetClever> what is you problem ?
[01:08] <wudo_honour> when I install new kernel, it crashes. so I want the system which should have roll back
[01:09] <wudo_honour> so I do not need reinstall the system
[01:09] <wudo_honour> have any idea?
[01:10] <kk4ewt> wudo you should have more than one kernel in your grub select the older one
[01:11] <PlanetClever> you can configure the Lilo or Grub to select the older kernel
[01:12] <wudo_honour> kk4ewt   it is not like that what you say ,beacuse the new kernel with the gpu driver, when  it crash ,all of it gone. fuck
[01:12] <PlanetClever> see what you have in the /boot directory
[01:12] <wudo_honour>  no grub , no older kernel
[01:13] <PlanetClever> in tis one are the kernels
[01:13] <PlanetClever> actually waht you can do ?
[01:13] <PlanetClever> it totally crash ?
[01:13] <wudo_honour> yeah, totally
[01:14] <wudo_honour> so have any soft to roll back the system  with live cd ?
[01:14] <PlanetClever> have you the old file system ?
[01:15] <N1TR0_73> hi
[01:15] <N1TR0_73> ok guys i am fasinated with ubuntu is he really collecting data about the usrs
[01:15] <N1TR0_73> and if he dose so wish distribution i should use
[01:16] <N1TR0_73> :p
[01:16] <PlanetClever> what kind of data man ?
[01:16] <wudo_honour> PlanetClever  , I don't. actually it is why the win better than linux.
[01:17] <PlanetClever> you dont ?
[01:17] <PlanetClever> dont you ?
[01:17] <N1TR0_73> no bro no way that could windows be better then windows
[01:17] <wudo_honour> it  fucking  crashes too easily
[01:17] <N1TR0_73> i don't know what kind of data bro
[01:18] <N1TR0_73> just a few
[01:18] <PlanetClever> well
[01:18] <PlanetClever> i belive linux is better than win
[01:18] <N1TR0_73> for amazon i think
[01:18] <PlanetClever> in to mouch thinks
[01:18] <N1TR0_73> coz i saw a video of someone on youtube and he said that ubuntu collects data but bot too much
[01:19] <wudo_honour> so  ,how about the  'timeshift' ?
[01:19] <PlanetClever> I never had have a totally crash of the linux system
[01:19] <N1TR0_73> i love ubuntu i've installed all the pentesting tools and i love using irssi and vim and radara2 and gdb and soo on
[01:19] <PlanetClever> if you do the configuration with carefully and reading enoug before do it
[01:20] <PlanetClever> you will no have problems
[01:20] <N1TR0_73> and i can programme anything i want in ubuntu
[01:20] <N1TR0_73> coz it's made by a programmer for a programmer
[01:21] <wudo_honour> N1TR0_73   , what are the pentesting tools ?
[01:21] <Dave_____> Hello, can anyone help me with an ACPI issue at boot up....I cant get the system to boot?
[01:21] <Jordan_U> burzos: I have a virtual machine that I setup a while ago that is not being listed.
[01:21] <PlanetClever> what error the system write out ?
[01:22] <Dave_____> PlanetClever are you looking for my error?
[01:22] <N1TR0_73> gys
[01:22] <N1TR0_73> can anyone tell me about a good channel for ctfs
[01:23] <N1TR0_73> wudo_honour like msf and burp and soo on
[01:25] <wudo_honour> N1TR0_73   msf, it 's always not good in ubuntu
[01:25] <wudo_honour> it is wrong with ruby problem.
[01:27] <N1TR0_73> it is for me bro
[01:27] <wudo_honour> like the pattern_create, pattern_offset. it is not normal to use.
[01:28] <Guest52012> hi everyone, someone know where the password (encrypted) of users and admins are stored on Lubuntu?
[01:28] <wudo_honour> "/etc/shadow"
[01:28] <PlanetClever> david you can probe with the linux rescue distribution named
[01:29] <PlanetClever> named RESCATUX
[01:29] <Guest52012> thank you wudo_honour
[01:29] <PlanetClever> David Got it you ?
[01:30] <Guest52012> also you know wich algoryth use to encrypt password?
[01:31] <Jordan_U> Guest52012: Just for correctness sake, they're hashed rather than encrypted.
[01:31] <Guest52012> wudo_honour,
[01:31] <Guest52012> Jordan_U, !! You right! Thank you!
[01:31] <PlanetClever> David or you can use System Recue CD
[01:31] <Guest52012> you know what's the hash used?
[01:31] <PlanetClever> That i think is better
[01:31] <PlanetClever> one
[01:32] <PlanetClever> Dave ?
[01:32] <PlanetClever> Are you lived ?
[01:32] <PlanetClever> live
[01:32] <wudo_honour> N1TR0_73  do you know some place(website) to improve the pen skill?
[01:34] <Epic|> Is there a way to bring 18.04 up to let's say late 90s windows capabilities in that the acreen dimming doesn't initiate as soon as the media is done playing?
[01:36] <IntelCore> Epic you can set ubuntu to not dim, ifink
[01:38] <IntelCore> it a power setting
[01:38] <IntelCore> acpi is power setting, too, and u can turn off check for acpi at grb
[01:42] <wudo_honour> how do I  ignore parts joins quit in this irc ?
[01:42] <Tin_man> wudo_honour, hexchat?
[01:43] <IntelCore> askubuntu.com/questions/953666/acpi-errors-when-booting-cant-boot
[01:43] <Tin_man> if hexchat right click on the channel and choose settings and ignore join / parts
[01:45] <wudo_honour> ok, I got it, thanks
[01:45] <IntelCore> buys mirc for chan
 so, he wants the win. so we're just gonna get lunch or something, then hes gonna push me to the ground and tap my ass with his foot so he can claim he "kicked my ass" tbh im going along with it becase I dont wanna lose any teeth
[01:46] <Epic|> It needs to dim but in a way that doesn't suggest it was programmed by a complete moron
[01:47] <IntelCore> Epic it a power saving
[01:47] <Epic|> I understand. The timer should start when your media is finished not while it's playing
[01:47] <IntelCore> ahh
[01:48] <Epic|> Hence programmed by a moron
[01:49] <IntelCore> ubuntu is running Cimon on the space station
[01:51] <Epic|> Woo
[01:51] <IntelCore> it's watson tho
[01:51] <Epic|> Well I was hoping 20 years after first attempting linux for useful shit it might be ready but it keeps choking on the dumbest shit
[01:52] <PlanetClever> Just now Cimon is working ?
[01:52] <wudo_honour> I don't wanan the kernel update any more. it's always unhappy things
[01:53] <Epic|> Going to have to go back to windows just for basic functionality
[01:55] <PlanetClever> Epic way you said that ?
[01:55] <wudo_honour> but actually , I hate the win ,shit, win10,  it make me feel like a Ads system,
[01:56] <wudo_honour> by the  way , it's  not safe
[01:57] <PlanetClever> Epic you only have to have a good file system backup before do any risky thing
[01:57] <PlanetClever> like upgrade the kernel
[01:57] <wudo_honour> PlanetClever  it is the pointer ,
[01:57] <wudo_honour> I want to say just like you .
[01:58] <IntelCore> you can tell ubuntu to stick with a working kernel
[01:58] <wudo_honour> fuck , you are my heart
[01:58] <Sveta> watch the language please
[01:58] <Sveta> do you have a problem with upgrading?
[01:59] <Sveta> what is the problem?
[01:59] <PlanetClever> wudo_honour see one thing in Linux you can do one thing that you con not do it in windows
[02:00] <PlanetClever> that is compile and setup a new kernel with out installing
[02:00] <PlanetClever> so you can test the new kernel so when do know that is fine then you can install it
[02:01] <PlanetClever> and you can keep the old one and include it in Grub to have the choice that use one day
[02:01] <PlanetClever> that is great
[02:04] <Epic|> The crippling autism in here is amusing
[02:07] <wudo_honour> PlanetClever   could you give a link?   I just know how to use apt ,  not know how to complie kernel
[02:10] <tomer> hello. on my notebook i can change brightness via the battery/power-menu in the taskbar, but it's no mapped to my hardware keys automatically. Is there a command i can try to trigger brightness inc/decrease?
[02:10] <tomer> In the past I used xbacklight, but I'm thinking that if the GUI lets me control it, I can probably use some build-in Desktop command instead, no?
[02:12] <tomreyn> probably. like many things, how exactly you can do it depend son your ubuntu release and desktop environment (ubuntu flavour)
[02:14] <IntelCore> map key
[02:15] <leftyfb> Epic|: lose the attitude or leave
[02:16] <leftyfb> !coc > Epic|
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[02:17] <ossanez> Hello. Upgraded from 17.10 to latest this morning. Cannot get past the gdm screen on my usual account. Can log in as a new user, so I suppose it's something in my $HOME that's throwing Xorg off. I've already mv'd .xinitrc and Gnome extensions. It's not those. Any ideas what this might be?
[02:20] <tomreyn> ossanez: it'll be one of the other hidden directories (or files). probably one of .cache .config .local
[02:21] <tomer> brb, testing a solution for my specific desktop. thanks for the hint.
[02:21] <PlanetClever> wudo_honour this link is relate to build a kernel with new options in ubuntu
[02:21] <PlanetClever> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[02:21] <ossanez> @tomreyn: Thanks, I'll look at those. Jeez, .cache = 2G!
[02:22] <PlanetClever> I recomend you download and install VIRTUALBOX and one Ubuntu image
[02:23] <PlanetClever> and use the virtual machine for you test until you are sure to do it in you production system
[02:25] <PlanetClever> Wudo_Honour this link is good too
[02:25] <PlanetClever> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[02:26] <PlanetClever> I hope you have a happy time
[02:26] <Sveta> wudo_honour: what is the problem with your kernel?
[02:26] <PlanetClever> just remember to use one VIRTUAL MACHINE
[02:26] <Sveta> PlanetClever: I am not sure what problem we are solving here.
[02:26] <archpc> I installed the Nvidia drivers from the settings up for my gtx 1080 and my PC booted up to the grub rescue menu, any idea?
[02:27] <cncr04s> can't wait for the 1180
[02:28] <IntelCore> you got drivers from nvidia ? archpc?
[02:29] <archpc> IntelCore, I installed ubuntu 18.04.1, enabled nvidia drivers from settings and rebooted
[02:29] <archpc> im on my windows partition right now
[02:29] <IntelCore> go try set to main board or minimal driver
[02:30] <archpc> what
[02:30] <IntelCore> the old driver?
[02:30] <archpc> i don't know how to revert
[02:30] <archpc> my grub just boots to rescue menu
[02:30] <IntelCore> oic
[02:31] <PlanetClever> Hello Sveta in this Wudo case we are not solving any problem hi want just do one experiment
[02:31] <PlanetClever> with the kernel
[02:31] <Sveta> Okay.
[02:31] <PlanetClever> do you have any problem that wants share ?
[02:32] <IntelCore> grub rescue> that means it couldn't find normal.mod, so it probably couldn't find any of your boot files.
[02:33] <leftyfb> IntelCore: booting to the grub prompt could mean a lot of things
[02:33] <archpc> all I did was install the nvidia drivers :v
[02:33] <leftyfb> IntelCore: please do not give misinformation
[02:34] <archpc> if needed I can post sysinfo
[02:34] <IntelCore> then.. help the guy
[02:34] <leftyfb> archpc: can you try booting to ubuntu by holding down the shift and booting to a previous kernel from the menu?
[02:36] <archpc> let me try in a moment
[02:36] <leftyfb> archpc: once you are able to get back into your system, I would suggest disabling that nvida drive, make sure you can boot properly with the latest kernel and then try installing 396.45 from this ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[02:37] <matelot> hi I have a p-yr old PC (specs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t64G8gCZPP/) . It cannot handle W10. Which Ubuntu (or other distro) do you recommend. I only need it as a media player and browsing.
[02:37] <matelot> 9 yr
[02:38] <leftyfb> matelot: try just normal ubuntu with gnome. If it doesn't perform the way you want, try xubuntu or lubuntu.
[02:39] <matelot> leftyfb what about just go with lubuntu ? I don't want to re-do thing if I can help it
[02:39] <leftyfb> matelot: then why ask the question?
[02:40] <matelot> leftyfb  because maybe there's some reason lubuntu wont do, i don't know, been away from Linux for a few years
[02:40] <leftyfb> matelot: try ubuntu proper. It might work fine for you
[02:41] <matelot> leftyfb ok thx
[02:41] <tomreyn> hmm, with 2G DDR2 RAM? i'm not convinced.
[02:42] <leftyfb> tomreyn: isn't there a low graphics mode with ubuntu gnome?
[02:43] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i'm not certain. i guess i can try this quickly with a VM.
[02:43] <leftyfb> matelot: you know that's probably the biggest downside to your specs. If you could upgrade the memory to 8GB, you'd be in much better shape
[02:43] <matelot> leftyfb should I get 64 or 32 bit ?
[02:44] <leftyfb> 64
[02:46] <matelot> leftyfb so looks like lubuntu has much lower requirement
[02:46] <matelot> > 128 MB of RAM - LOL serious ?
[02:48] <tomreyn> i guess it may work. this VM has 2GB RAM, 1 CPU core http://i.imgur.com/SOccWxf.png
[02:49] <tomreyn> matelot: anything is more than 128 MB ;)
[02:50] <matelot> ok i actually expected to see a reddit page...
[02:51] <tomreyn> sorry to disappoint ;)
[02:51] <matelot> OK once I downloaded the ISO to USB stick, can I install right from it ?
[02:51] <matelot> or need to burn to disc ?
[02:52] <tomreyn> matelot: usb is fine, and better
[02:52] <matelot> i dont even have a burner now...
[02:52] <tomreyn> matelot: but you need to write the isop to the usb stick as an image, not as a file on a file system
[02:52] <matelot> ahhh
[02:53] <tomreyn> what is this system running now?
[02:53] <matelot> how I think i did before...have not done in years
[02:53] <matelot> tomreyn I'm typing on mac now
[02:53] <matelot> the old PC is running W10
[02:53] <tomreyn> etcher.io should work on mac, too, i think
[02:54] <tomreyn> it also works on windows and linux, compares what it wrote to the usb to the image it wrote to ensure it got written properly
[02:55] <tomreyn> this makes it better and more reliable than most other tools i know.
[02:55] <Jordan_U> Guest52012: SHA512
[02:56] <tomreyn> ...for this end user wands to write an iso to a usb storage via GUI scenario
[03:13] <pepee> hi- anyone knows why the installer wouldn't find my SSD and other drives?
[03:14] <pepee> this is an intel laptop, I disabled secure boot
[03:14] <tomreyn> pepee: what is "the installer"?
[03:14] <pepee> found   https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031766/installing-ubuntu-desktop-18-04-lts-but-its-not-detecting-my-samsung-pcie-nvme   and    https://askubuntu.com/questions/1024917/ubuntu-installer-wont-recognize-nvme-ssd-lenovo-yoga-720-15-ikb
[03:14] <pepee> tomreyn, the kubuntu installer, from the kubuntu ISO
[03:15] <tomreyn> so kubuntu 18.04.1? amd64?
[03:15] <pepee> yep
[03:15] <tomreyn> and which intel laptop is it?
[03:15] <pepee> this is a thinkpad yoga laptop
[03:15] <pepee> the second link should apply, but... I can't find the "Intel Platform Trust Technology" option in the BIOS :/
[03:17] <pepee> seems to have something to do with TPM, which I disabled some minutes ago
[03:17] <pepee> no idea what to do now :(
[03:18] <tomreyn> pepee: is secureboot disabled?
[03:18] <pepee> it is
[03:18] <pepee> tomreyn, the kubuntu installer should show a list of disks, but it only shows my USB drive
[03:19] <tomreyn> platform trust (PTT) is the TPM, yes.
[03:19] <oranged> good evening
[03:20] <tomreyn> pepee: but you set disk controller bios option from RAID to AHCI?
[03:20] <pepee> also couldn't find the stuff about RAIDs
[03:20] <tomreyn> hi oranged
[03:20] <tomreyn> pepee: i think that's why then
[03:21] <tomreyn> pepee: is the live / installer showing that it is connected to the network on the top right corner?
[03:21] <pepee> nope
[03:22] <tomreyn> pepee: can you bring it online there?
[03:22] <tomreyn> there should be some icon which allows you to connect to the network
[03:22] <patr0clus> What is the proper way to alter ones DNS? Obviously, the resolv.conf file is not meant to be altered.
[03:22] <Shmam> Can someone point me to a tutorial for the recommended way to apply an ubuntu kernel patch? All of the ones that I've found seem to say something different. Trying to apply this patch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1746340?comments=all
[03:22] <pepee> tomreyn, will try
[03:24] <tomreyn> pepee: if this works out, you can open a "terminal" window (from the top left menu), and type / copy paste: sudo dmidecode --type baseboard --type bios --type system | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:24] <tomreyn> pepee: this should then return a http address oyu can post here
[03:24] <pepee> what do you want to know?
[03:24] <pepee> it's an nvme drive, the system can see it just fine
[03:25] <pepee> some samsung nvme ssd I think
[03:25] <Shmam> Theres a bug in the kernel and I need help applying the patch
[03:25] <tomreyn> pepee: the exact model number of your computer, and its current bios version
[03:25] <tomreyn> pepee: this command should provide both
[03:26] <oranged> can anyone recommend a good text for setting up ubuntu server for a small biz environment?
[03:26] <ossanez> @tomreyn: It doesn't seem to be any of those directories. I mv'd each and tried logging in each time. No joy.
[03:26] <Shmam> oranged: depends on what you want on the server. web services, samba?
[03:28] <pepee> lenovo thinkpad yoga 370, bios version R0HET41W (1.21)
[03:28] <oranged> Shmam, samba, vpn for accessing files out of the office and a proprietary connection manager by sage
[03:29] <Shmam> oranged: so where are you? do you have ubuntu server on an installation drive?
[03:29] <oranged> Shmam, i have ubuntu server on a machine already for testing
[03:30] <pepee> product name is 20JJS0T200
[03:30] <oranged> Shmam, wanted to see if i can nail down a config before spending any money on proper server hardware
[03:30] <pepee> tomreyn, ^
[03:31] <pepee> hmm, there are some BIOS updates
[03:31] <Shmam> oranged: you should be able to install all of those packages on any computer running ubuntu so I guess you could try it on your testing machine before getting the server hardware if you want
[03:32] <tomreyn> ossanez: maybe .bashrc, .profile, .Xauthority, .xinputrc, .xscreensaver, .dbus, .gconf, .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome2_private, .gvfs, .var
[03:32] <Shmam> oranged: could even go a little overboard and make some shell scripts to install and config everything
[03:32] <Shmam> oranged: I guess I'm not really sure what you're asking for
[03:32] <oranged> Shmam, a recommendation for a book mostly
[03:33] <tomreyn> pepee: yes, get bios 1.31
[03:34] <Shmam> oh by text I thought you meant tutorial lol. I don't read many books on things that change quickly like this so I don't really have any recommendations sorry
[03:34] <tomreyn> pepee: then changelog says: "(New) Added boot path for Debian Linux."
[03:34] <qwebirc57938> hello, everyone
[03:35] <tomreyn> pepee: Ubuntu is a Debian Linux derivate, so it will benefit from this 'improvement'
[03:35] <qwebirc57938> I have problem about recover hard driver.
[03:35] <Shmam> post the question then
[03:36] <Shmam> Anyone know of a more up to date tutorial on adding a patch to the kernel? the official one is super old: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[03:36] <qwebirc57938> I have 500G disk, and i burn it with ubuntu-live.iso carelessly
[03:37] <qwebirc57938> the disk had two btrfs partition(label name "ubuntu" "zhou"), how should i do recover the "zhou" partition?
[03:38] <tomreyn> Shmam: why do you need to patch the kernel? maybe there is a better option?
[03:38] <Shmam> tomreyn: Theres an issue with the ssd in my machine that requires the patch
[03:38] <Shmam> otherwise it randomly goes into read only mode
[03:38] <tomreyn> Shmam: which ssd is it?
[03:39] <tomreyn> got some bug report or any web page i can read up on?
[03:39] <Shmam> SAMSUNG MZVLW512HMJP-00000 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1746340?comments=all
[03:45] <tomreyn> Shmam: quite a lot of text, i'm still reading.
[03:45] <Shmam> yeah it took me a while to read as well
[03:45] <tomreyn> Shmam: did you check whether a firmware upgrade is available, yet?
[03:46] <Shmam> I updated all of my firmware in my windows partition and the problem still occurred
[03:46] <Shmam> so I think that I need the patch
[03:46] <Shmam> also theres no problems in windows, it seems to be only in linux which likely means that I will need the patch
[03:52] <pepee> tomreyn, BIOS updated... still, nothing in the BIOS and the installer can't see the nvme
[03:54] <wlritchi> On bionic, I've added a third party apt repository and its release signing key, but apt-get update insists the sig is invalid.
[03:55] <wlritchi> But if I apt-key export ... | gpg --import and manually verify the files apt downloaded to /var/lib/apt/lists/partial the signature shows as valid
[03:55] <wlritchi> Another repo, which I added in exactly the same way, works fine
[03:55] <wlritchi> Does anyone have any ideas what might be going wrong?
[03:58] <tomreyn> pepee: what about a firmware update for the NVMe?
[03:58] <pepee> tomreyn, the live cd can see it...
[03:59] <pepee> the problem is the ubuntu installer
[03:59] <pepee> is there an alternative way to install it? by hand?
[04:00] <tomreyn> pepee: yes, but before we discuss this, can you remind me which verison of the installer you have / wat the iso image you downloaded is called?
[04:00] <tomreyn> *wHat
[04:00] <guiver_d> wlritchi: did you check the ppa supports bionic?
[04:01] <pepee> tomreyn, kubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[04:01] <tomreyn> pepee: drive firmware update https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/LAPTOPS-AND-NETBOOKS/THINKPAD-YOGA-SERIES-LAPTOPS/THINKPAD-YOGA-370/20JJ/20JJS0T200/downloads/DS038904
[04:02] <pepee> again, this doesn't seem to be a hardware issue
[04:02] <tomreyn> pepee: okay, so your other options are: server live installer, server alternative installer, mini.iso, debootstrap.
[04:02] <pepee> ah, I had forgotten about debootstrap... gonna try that
[04:03] <tomreyn> pepee: i agree that the fact that the installer doesn't see the nvme is not a hardware issue if the live system can see it. you may still want to install the drive firmware update , since those are not usually provided unless they're important.
[04:04] <tomreyn> but of course this is up to you entirely.
[04:04] <pepee> problem is, I need to configure this laptop ASAP
[04:05] <max_> всем привет
[04:09] <tomreyn> pepee: if so, i'd install to external (usb attached) storage.
[04:11] <wlritchi> guiver_d: Not a PPA; the release file is at deb.gerritforge.com/dists/gerrit/Release and the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gerrit.list file I created reads "deb https://deb.gerritforge.com gerrit contrib".
[04:11] <ossanez> @tomreyn: Okay, it's something in my dear old .bashrc. Huh. So I'm in now. Next problem, no input. The mouse pointer is there and it moves, but other than that, no mouse, no kb.
[04:11] <wlritchi> I removed /var/lib/apt/lists/* and reran apt-get update, full output is at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/77XP2XqfcF/
[04:12] <wlritchi> Compare to the jenkins 3rd party repo, added with "deb https://pkg.jenkins.io/debian binary/" which works fine
[04:16] <ossanez> *mousepad
[04:17] <tomreyn> ossanez: on both accounts or just this one?
[04:17] <ossanez> Just the old one.
[04:17] <ossanez> @tomreyn
[04:18] <tomreyn> ossanez: well, start the search from the beginning, i guess...
[04:19] <tomreyn> ossanez: you're still looking for the directories and files starting with a dot. anything about gnome, dbus, starting with .X or .x, as well as  these other directories i listed above  is a suspect.
[04:21] <ossanez> @tomreyn: Sigh. I think I'v tried all of the above.
[04:22] <tomreyn> ossanez: but that was before you cold login, right?
[04:23] <ossanez> tomreyn: Hrm... https://askubuntu.com/questions/1026850/broken-input-in-gnome-ubuntu-18-04 Although I though I ruled out extensions before.  ....  Yes, good point.
[04:27] <ossanez> Is there a /right/ way to force-kill a users X session from a console?
[04:27] <tomreyn> pepee: when you have more time later, please see if this is potentially the same issue (run 'lsblk -a' and 'nvme list' from the live / installer iso): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/linux/+bug/1778765
[04:28] <pepee> tomreyn, they are in my case
[04:28] <pepee> at least the lsblk from the live cd
[04:28] <tomreyn> ossanez: i usually do "systemctl restart DESKTOPMANAGER", where DESKTOPMANAGER is gdm or lightdm or sddm
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[04:29] <Shmam> tomreyn: finished reading?
[04:29] <tomreyn> pepee: what do you mean by "they are"? lsblk -a lists it with > 0 bytes capacity?
[04:29] <pepee> tomreyn, there is also a SD card that isn't being displayed by the installer, though I'm not sure if it should
[04:30] <pepee> tomreyn, yes, lsblk -a shows nvme0n1
[04:30] <tomreyn> pepee: and it s capacity is not 0?
[04:30] <pepee> 238.5G
[04:30] <tomreyn> pepee: thanks
[04:31] <ossanez> @tomreyn: Getting rid of workspaces-to-dock seems to have done the trick. Thanks for your guidance.
[04:31] <tomreyn> ossanez: welcome
[04:32] <tomreyn> Shmam: yes, i read much of it.
[04:32] <pepee> tomreyn, nvm, it was PEBCAK
[04:32] <pepee> or rather, a dumb UI design, IMO...
[04:33] <tomreyn> Shmam: the end of the bug report is a bit inconclusive. it's not entirely clear whetehr the root cause has been identified, and whether /boot was maybe just mounted r/o from the start / onm purpose
[04:33] <Shmam> tomreyn: it sounds like it fixed it though right?
[04:33] <tomreyn> pepee: can you show a scrensho and explain. if it's bad ui design this should be improved as well.
[04:33] <Shmam> I mean they released a patch
[04:34] <Shmam> tomreyn: This is also helpful: https://github.com/rolandguelle/razer-blade-stealth-linux/issues/10
[04:35] <tomreyn> Shmam: several patches were produced on this bug report. some of which were reported to not fix the issue.
[04:35] <Shmam> tomreyn: He said that this one solved his problem on the github issue: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/374634454/0001-ASPM-quirk-for-SM-PM-EVO-961.patch
[04:35] <tomreyn> Shmam: the bug report is still in state 'confirmed', so no reliable root cause or solution has been identified, yet.
[04:35] <boblamont> Hi. I'm hoping to install sc-im (spreadsheet calculator improvised) on Lubuntu 16.04.4. I followed this: https://bit.ly/2AFDJDc but skipped the libxlsxwriter  part because I'm only interested in using csv files with it. I got errors and it didn't install.
[04:36] <boblamont> These are the errors: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kF75ZQJMT8/
[04:36] <Shmam> tomreyn: I really need to have my laptop working for college next week though so I might just need to try it and hope for the best
[04:36] <Shmam> tomreyn: is installing the patch really dangerous for my system?
[04:37] <tomreyn> Shmam: i dont even know which patch you are referring to. there are several.
[04:37] <tomreyn> Shmam: have you verified that you have the exact drive model as the bug reporters?
[04:38] <tomreyn> *same
[04:39] <Shmam> tomreyn:   I have the same laptop so I would assume that its the same but I'll check.
[04:41] <HenryJeckyll> How do I mine Bitcoins?
[04:41] <Shmam> hmm `sudo lshw -C disk` doesn't give any output
[04:42] <tomreyn> !ot | HenryJeckyll
[04:44] <Shmam> tomreyn: mine says "NVMe SSD Controller SM961/PM961" but I cant find the model number
[04:47] <tomreyn> Shmam: does "nvme list" show it?
[04:47] <Shmam> tomreyn: Yep, just installed nvme-cli and I have the exact same ssd and same firmware revision
[04:48] <tomreyn> also, did you install this kernel and did it work around the file system randomly going read-only issue for you? https://people.canonical.com/~khfeng/pm961-disable-aspm/
[04:48] <tomreyn> Shmam: also, did you say you 're using btrfs?
[04:48] <Shmam> tomreyn: Not sure, how can I check?
[04:49] <tomreyn> mount
[04:49] <Shmam> tomreyn: what am I looking for in here? theres a lot of output
[04:50] <tomreyn> Shmam: mount | grep btrfs
[04:50] <Shmam> tomreyn: nothing
[04:50] <tomreyn> ok. what about the test kernel?
[04:51] <Shmam> the one you linked?
[04:51] <tomreyn> Shmam: yes, it's from the bug report you posted initially
[04:51] <tomreyn> Shmam: readily built kernel images with the patch applied you're seeking to apply
[04:52] <pepee> tomreyn, nah, it was my fault. sorry for wasting your time...
[04:52] <Shmam> I'm currently on 4.15.0.29 which should have 4.15.0.24 in it right?
[04:52] <pepee> also, thanks for your help
[04:52] <Shmam> or is that not how it works
[04:52] <tomreyn> pepee: okaym thanks for being honest there.
[04:53] <tomreyn> pepee: no problem
[04:53] <pepee> the problem was that I hadn't selected "whole disk"
[04:53] <Lord-Kamina> Is there any way to make apt-cache show the version specification for depends, breaks and so on?
[04:53] <tomreyn> pepee: i see.
[04:53] <pepee> once I did that, the other disks appeared. the default one was the USB drive from which I was booting the installer
[04:54] <Epic|> Lol, I'm not going through a code of conduct for some irc channel
[04:55] <tomreyn> pepee: not perfect in terms of user guidance, i guess, you might expect to have the first internal disk pre-selected.
[04:56] <Shmam> tomreyn: so would this be included in my newer kernel or do I need to downgrade to get it?
[04:57] <tomreyn> Shmam: it's only in this one pre-built kernel image. if you wanted newer ones you'd indeed need to compile yourself.
[04:58] <Shmam> tomreyn: ah alright. so which one do I download? headers-generic?
[04:58] <tomreyn> Shmam: you should, however, work with this developer to help confirm that this issue is solved by this patch so the patch can be integrated upstream and you can benefit from this in terms of using standard kernels soon.
[04:58] <Shmam> tomreyn: yeah I've already subscribed and marked that I have the issue and I plan to post on there if it works for me
[04:59] <tomreyn> Shmam: all of these packages, then run apt install against each of them.
[05:00] <tomreyn> Shmam: once installed, you'll also want to do this https://askubuntu.com/questions/216398/set-older-kernel-as-default-grub-entry
[05:00] <Shmam> tomreyn: so wget each one and then run `sudo apt install <filename>` for all 5 .deb packages?
[05:00] <tomreyn> Shmam: and bootkmark this page since you'll need to undo this later
[05:00] <tomreyn> Shmam: correct
[05:02] <tomreyn> Shmam: it's probably also fine to ask on this bug report whether they could pproduce an updated kernel image for you
[05:02] <Shmam> tomreyn: and I dont need to install them in any special order correct?
[05:02] <tomreyn> (once, not weekly ;) )
[05:03] <tomreyn> Shmam: no i dont think the order matters. you can actually install all of themat once, this will make it most easy in terms of solving dependencies
[05:03] <tomreyn> so just apt install /path/to/file1 /path/to/file2 ...
[05:04] <Shmam> here goes nothing
[05:04] <tomreyn> less details please
[05:04] <tomreyn> oh, i mean more
[05:05] <Shmam> ok looks like it installed all 5 of them, now I'm going to set grub to use the old kernel
[05:05] <tomreyn> Shmam: do "apt update" and "apt dist-upgrade" also to make sure all dependencies are resolved.
[05:06] <tomreyn> (and that the system is otherwise up to date)
[05:06] <Shmam> after making grub changes but before rebooting?
[05:06] <tomreyn> any time before booting
[05:08] <Shmam> ok so I'm making the following change to grub: `GRUB_DEFAULT="Advanced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 4.15.0-24-generic"`
[05:08] <Shmam> look correct to you?
[05:10] <tomreyn> Shmam: let's see. save it, then run: grep -F 'Ubuntu, with Linux 4.15.0-24-generic' Boot/grub/grub.cfg
[05:10] <tomreyn> typo fix: grep -F 'Ubuntu, with Linux 4.15.0-24-generic' /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[05:11] <Shmam> found it twice
[05:11] <Shmam> so then we're good?
[05:11] <tomreyn> Shmam: before or after you ran update-grub?
[05:12] <Shmam> just gotta `update-grub` and then the apt updates
[05:12] <Shmam> before
[05:12] <tomreyn> ok, yes , sound plan
[05:13] <Shmam> mkay grub is updated. Now you said I should just run `sudo apt update`?
[05:13] <tomreyn> right
[05:13] <tomreyn> and then apt dist-upgrade
[05:13] <wudo_honour> hey, guys,  I wanan mount the ntfs when system boot on , maybe I should  edit the fstab, but I don't how to edit. so please. thank you
[05:13] <Shmam> tomreyn: cool there's 5 packages that can be upgraded and its the 5 that I just installed
[05:13] <Shmam> so reboot now?
[05:14] <tomreyn> Shmam: hmm, they can be upgraded? can you show the output?
[05:14] <tomreyn> !paste
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[05:15] <sjvxid31> hey myself clay
[05:15] <Shmam> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KHj7yGXtTQ/
[05:16] <sjvxid31> clay jensen
[05:16] <tomreyn> wudo_honour: run "bklid | nc ternbin.com 9999" in a terminal, and pos tthe http address it returns here.
[05:16] <tomreyn> hi sjvxid31, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[05:16] <sjvxid31> is hannah here?
[05:17] <sjvxid31> hannah baker
[05:17] <Flannel> sjvxid31: This is a technical support channel, not a social one.  So you're probably looking in the wrong place.
[05:17] <tomreyn> Shmam: hmm okay we'll need to make sure those wont get upgraded later. but you can reboot now
[05:18] <Shmam> mkay rebooting now
[05:18] <Shmam> grub defaulted to advanced options for ubuntu. I should pick ubuntu though right?
[05:19] <tomreyn> Shmam: you can press 'e' to see what is what
[05:19] <tomreyn> Shmam: escape to return, your edits (in case you accidentially make any) are discarded
[05:19] <Shmam> tomreyn: err, I'm not too sure what I'm looking at/for
[05:20] <Shmam> the ubuntu one looks like it uses 4.15.0-29-generic
[05:20] <Shmam> which is the wrong one
[05:20] <tomreyn> Shmam: you're trying to make sure that the kernel that was pre-selected is the one you want to boot, "4.15.0-24.26~nvme+aspm"
[05:20] <Shmam> should I change it or can I make a new entry?
[05:20] <sjvxid31> UBUNTU SERVER IS VERY      WEAK COMPARE TO OTHER SERVERS
[05:20] <sjvxid31> ALWAYS LAGS
[05:21] <tomreyn> !caps | sjvxid31
[05:21] <Shmam> tomreyn: advanced options is using the 4.15.0-24 kernel
[05:21] <Shmam> sjvxid31: ok cool go use something else then or ask your question if you have one
[05:21] <tomreyn> Shmam: and that'S the only -24 one?
[05:21] <Shmam> wait hold onn
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[05:22] <Shmam> advanced options shows both versions
[05:22] <tomreyn> Shmam: both of what?
[05:22] <Shmam> echos loading 29 but then echos using 24 later down
[05:22] <Shmam> ohhh
[05:22] <Shmam> wait
[05:22] <sjvxid31> !caps | tomreyn
[05:22] <Shmam> its a second menu
[05:22] <Shmam> where I can select which version of the kernel to use
[05:23] <tomreyn> Shmam: so "advanced options" is a second menu, yes
[05:23] <Shmam> so I want `Ubuntu, with Linux 4.15.0-24-generic` right?
[05:23] <tomreyn> Shmam: if that's the only one where pressing 'e' points to a -24 kernel, yes
[05:24] <tomreyn> it should be
[05:24] <tomreyn> if not we can reboot later
[05:24] <Shmam> alright I'm in
[05:24] <tomreyn> Shmam: what does "cat /proc/version" say?
[05:25] <aaaad> how do I mention someone in irssi ?
[05:25] <Shmam> `uname -r` shows `4.15.0-24-generic`
[05:25] <tomreyn> aaaad: << like this
[05:25] <Flannel> aaaad: just prefix the line with their nick and it'll highlight them.  You can type a few letters of their nick and tab-complete to it, in most cases.
[05:25] <Shmam> tomreyn: actually I got the read only filesystem on boot
[05:25] <Shmam> currently in read only
[05:26] <tomreyn> Shmam: is it recovering it?
[05:26] <Shmam> if I reboot, grub will prob give me a fsck prompt and I can fix it
[05:26] <Shmam> but its def in read only mode rn
[05:26] <tomreyn> where are you now?
[05:27] <aaaad>  I just write their nick; tomreyn: and the text?
[05:27] <Flannel> aaaad: yep.
[05:27] <tomreyn> Shmam: what is your prompt, do you have graphical output, are you on a text console, in recovery, initrd, still on grub?
[05:27] <aaaad> Flannel: thanks
[05:28] <me-1> hi...how will ubuntu 18.04 work on my core 2 duo pc with 1.5 GB ram
[05:28] <Shmam> tomreyn: yeah I'm in the desktop environment, everything looks fine but if I try to edit any files or open any program, it says that the filesystem is read only
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[05:29] <tomreyn> Shmam: do you have internet access?
[05:29] <Shmam> yeah I can ping 8.8.8.8
[05:29] <tomreyn> run: mount | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:30] <Shmam> termbin.com/izev
[05:30] <me-1> hi...how will ubuntu 18.04 work on my core 2 duo pc with 1.5 GB ram
[05:31] <EriC^^> me-1: download a live usb and test it out
[05:31] <Shmam> me-1: yeah you can test it on a usb drive before installing
[05:33] <Shmam> tomreyn: maybe I should try https://people.canonical.com/~khfeng/quirk-no-commclk/
[05:34] <wudo_honour> who does use the virtualbox now?
[05:35] <wudo_honour> I want to find the network card
[05:35] <tomreyn> Shmam: run: sudo fsstemctl rescue
[05:35] <tomreyn> Shmam: run: sudo systemctl rescue
[05:35] <Shmam> which one
[05:35] <tomreyn> Shmam: then we can recover the file system
[05:35] <tomreyn> the latter
[05:35] <Shmam> or both
[05:35] <Shmam> k
[05:36] <Shmam> ok im in rescue mode now
[05:36] <tomreyn> enable network
[05:36] <Shmam> how
[05:36] <tomreyn> aren't you on that recvoery menu?
[05:37] <Shmam> no its a command line
[05:37] <tomreyn> Shmam: ok, then just: sudo fsck -p /dev/nvme0n1p7
[05:38] <Shmam> what does the `-p` flag do?
[05:39] <tomreyn> Shmam: actually that's an option to e2fsck. just run it without any options
[05:39] <R0m3> hi . i want to install ubuntu 118.04 but i stock in splash screen . any idea why i stock ?
[05:40] <R0m3> 18.04
[05:40] <Shmam> tomreyn: ok file system was modified reboot system and then a log from systemd-journalid: failed to write entry: read only fs
[05:40] <Shmam> reboot now?
[05:41] <tomreyn> Shmam: yes
[05:41] <tomreyn> try booting the same kernel we just had once more
[05:42] <Shmam> tomreyn: ok I'm back inn
[05:42] <AgentSmith48071> Hi
[05:43] <tomreyn> Shmam: so it's not read-only now?
[05:43] <Shmam> tomreyn: yeah everything is currently normal
[05:43] <tomreyn> Shmam: can you post "cat /proc/version"
[05:45] <tomreyn> Shmam: its just one line, you can copy and paste it here
[05:45] <Shmam> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YmGDDmhS23/
[05:45] <Shmam> had to get it from laptop to desktop anyways
[05:45] <tomreyn> okay this says "#26~nvme+aspm", that's the right kernel indeed
[05:47] <tomreyn> Shmam: so we have two things left to do: (1) make sure these patched kernels wont get replaced by their 'updated' counterparts; (2) make sure grub actually defaults to this patched kernel
[05:47] <Shmam> but it looks like the patched kernel didnt solve the issue right?
[05:47] <Shmam> so maybe I should try the other one?
[05:47] <tomreyn> Shmam: i'm not sure when exactly it went read-only.
[05:48] <tomreyn> Shmam: this may have been when we were still on the previous kernel
[05:48] <Shmam> oh
[05:48] <tomreyn> i mean, the latest, new one
[05:48] <Shmam> but I feel like I should use the latest one posted in that bug thread
[05:49] <tomreyn> so the one you'Re running right now?
[05:49] <Shmam> no theres another newer one
[05:49] <Shmam> https://people.canonical.com/~khfeng/quirk-no-commclk/
[05:49] <Shmam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1746340/comments/134
[05:50] <tomreyn> Shmam: oh :-/ you'Re right
[05:50] <tomreyn> looks like i missed this
[05:50] <tomreyn> Shmam: so get this one instead.
[05:50] <tomreyn> you know the rest of the process, same as before
[05:53] <tomreyn> Shmam: the good thing is this kernel will remain the latest for a while, so you can just undo the changes to /etc/default/grub and it will still be the kernel that is automatically booted.
[05:53] <Shmam> so just set `GRUB_DEFAULT` back to 0?
[05:53] <tomreyn> yes
[05:54] <tomreyn> + download and apt install those .deb's
[05:54] <Shmam> ok then `sudo update-grub` and reboot?
[05:54] <tomreyn> yes
[05:57] <JoshuaD> Xubuntu 18.04. LightDM. Anyone know how to change monitor position on the login screen?
[05:57] <Shmam> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8qvRQSk6yJ/
[05:57] <tomreyn> Shmam: so this worked. you can then remove the old kernel images or just wait for them to be automatically removed.
[05:58] <Shmam> I'll just wait for them to be auto removed
[05:59] <Shmam> so when I apt update, it shows that those 5 packages can be upgraded
[05:59] <Shmam> how do I get rid of that
[05:59] <tomreyn> Shmam: you either upgrade or uninstall them
[06:00] <Shmam> no its saying that I can upgrade my kernel to a newer version
[06:00] <Shmam> which I dont want to ever do (at least until the patch goes into the main kernel) right?
[06:01] <tomreyn> Shmam: your ubuntu release will not get automatically updated to a kernel version that will superseed / replace the patched kernel you have now
[06:01] <tomreyn> Shmam: so it' safe to install any of the kernel updates which will become available automatically
[06:02] <Shmam> oh yeah these ones are 4.15
[06:02] <Shmam> so how do I remove em?
[06:02] <tomreyn> Shmam: using "apt purge PACKAGENAME"
[06:03] <tomreyn> you can list multiple packages in onw row
[06:03] <tomreyn> *one
[06:04] <Shmam> ok they're gone
[06:05] <Shmam> all packages are up to date
[06:05] <Shmam> anything else left to do?
[06:05] <tomreyn> Shmam: firmware upgrade for bios, and, if available, the nvme
[06:05] <tomreyn> Shmam: i dont'r emeber which of these you already did or discussed
[06:06] <Shmam> I ran the all in one installer on my windows partition: http://drivers.razersupport.com//index.php?_m=downloads&_a=view&parentcategoryid=660&pcid=658&nav=0,350,658
[06:06] <Shmam> so they should all be up to date
[06:08] <tomreyn> Shmam: hmm, i don't see "all in one installer"
[06:08] <Shmam> second one down
[06:08] <Shmam> hover over them, they're really hard to read
[06:08] <tomreyn> oh got it
[06:08] <Shmam> they also haven't been updated since aug 2017 which is before I got my device
[06:09] <tomreyn> Shmam: the bios on top is newer though
[06:09] <tomreyn> Shmam: have you heard about spectre + meltdown? you'll find many articles on this online.
[06:10] <Shmam> tomreyn: oh yeah I totally missed that
[06:10] <Shmam> lemme hop into windows part and install this
[06:10] <tomreyn> Shmam: it probably wont help with the nvme, but you  never know
[06:11] <Shmam> tomreyn: might as well install it, that specter + meltdown stuff is scary
[06:11] <tomreyn> yes you should
[06:12] <tomreyn> linux safeguards you against it, too, but you should do both
[06:12] <tomreyn> both = install newer bios + keep ubuntu up to date.
[06:13] <Shmam> bios updates are also scary >_<
[06:14] <tomreyn> yes, but not as much
[06:16] <tomreyn> Shmam: talking of which. you now have this high version kernel image installed, which wont get updates but will always (well, for the foreseeable future) remain there. and not get security patches. so don't just keep it indefinitely, but really just while you test this. and make sure you assist to get this bug solved so that the fix will go into standard ubuntu kernel images and you can then just uninstall the current test kernels (same way you
[06:16] <tomreyn> purged the others a few minutes ago) when you're done with the testing.
[06:16] <Shmam> tomreyn: ok bios is now updated to 1.50
[06:18] <Shmam> tomreyn: (excuse my caps pls) THANK YOU so much for all of your help. I really really appreciate it!!!
[06:18] <tomreyn> :) hope you can get it solved, and help others this way who have the same issue
[06:19] <Shmam> ughh
[06:20] <Shmam> I picked ubuntu from grub and it just went to a black screen
[06:21] <Shmam> should I just reboot and try againn?
[06:22] <burzos> Is there any difference between closing a socket file descriptor directly before exiting, or just existing?
[06:33] <tomreyn> Shmam: yes, you should. but i assume you did by now?
[06:34] <tomreyn> it's indeed unexpected that this would happen, though
[06:34] <Shmam> yeah...
[06:34] <tomreyn> Shmam: did it work the 2nd time then?
[06:34] <Shmam> yep
[06:34] <Shmam> seems ok
[06:35] <tomreyn> Shmam: can you show 'dmesg -T | nc termbin.com 9999'? this makes the kernel log available.
[06:36] <Shmam> termbin.com/t09e
[06:36] <lilacx> hi
[06:37] <lilacx> is there any way to rename server 18.04  enp2s0 and  enp1s0 to the eth0-1 naming?
[06:37] <tomreyn> Shmam: ok, it'll take a while to work though it. did you add these kernel options? button.lid_init_state=open i915.edp_vswing=2 intel_idle.max_cstate=4
[06:37] <Shmam> yeah I added those
[06:38] <Shmam> tomreyn: from here: https://github.com/rolandguelle/razer-blade-stealth-linux
[06:39] <tomreyn> Shmam:  i was such would exist for every system ;)
[06:41] <Shmam> tomreyn: yeah there's a lot of people using this laptop for linux so I'm surprised that only two/three people have run into this issue
[06:42] <boritek> hello. how can I PXE boot ubuntu from the ISO directly?
[06:51] <rfm> boritek, can't even see how that makes sense. a PXE boot needs a dhcp server and a tftp server with the boot files, so it's not "from the ISO directly"..
[06:53] <tomreyn> Shmam: dmesg looks fine, no critical issues, 2 ACPI bugs with the TPM, but those are not uncommon, and you could disable the TPM in BIOS.
[07:00] <boritek> rfm: yes but you only need kernel and initrd, not all the files
[07:00] <boritek> so in that case you dont need the unpack the whole iso neither mount it
[07:00] <boritek> centos can do this
[07:00] <Shmam> tomreyn: what is the TPM?
[07:10] <rfm> boritek, sorry I 'm still totally baffled what you want..... good luck, I';m off to bed
[07:13] <xar-> fresh install of ubuntu, it looks absolutely microscopic, how do I fix the scaling?
[07:15] <aaaad> you talk about the text or overall?
[07:15] <Shmam> xar-: either change resolution or scale in settings
[07:16] <aaaad> for the text; https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-font-size.html.en
[07:17] <xar-> I have a 4k display, in Windows, there's a slider where I can magnify everything 100%, 150%, 200%, etc. is there something equivalent to that?
[07:17] <KV> Hi, I've encountered some graphical issues suddenly i ubuntu 16.04. When I focus a window text disappears and sometimes the background turns black. Example: I've focused the calculator (text disappears, background black):https://imgur.com/a/JKPop73 here i've focused the about this computer dialog (some text disappears):https://imgur.com/a/XXdA4W6  if I hover the mouse over the mouse over the buttons on the calculator the text shows up. Any
[07:17] <SwedeMike> xar-: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-mag.html.en
[07:18] <SwedeMike> xar-: ooh, you want to change the screen scaling for everything?
[07:18] <SwedeMike> xar-: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029436/enable-fractional-scaling-for-ubuntu-18-04
[07:23] <xar-> top voted answer didn't do anything
[07:24] <abrotman29> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[07:37] <Snow-Man> anyone know how to change the brightness by hand under 18.04, or check if changing brightness is supported..?
[07:38] <Snow-Man> xbacklight doesn't seem to do anything
[07:38] <Snow-Man> same with xfce4-power-manager..
[07:39] <aaaad>  /run urlinfo.pl
[07:39] <aaaad> damn my bad
[07:42] <_MrGr33n_> hello everyone, any ideas why would I see "not found or unable to stat" errors in apache log?
[07:42] <_MrGr33n_> shouldn't this simple 404 if file is not found?
[07:55] <brainwash> Snow-Man: can you do it via the physical keys?
[07:58] <Snow-Man> brainwash: heh, no
[07:59] <Snow-Man> If I could get something working on the command-line then I could hook up the keys to call that...
[07:59] <brainwash> Snow-Man: what hardware is that?
[07:59] <Snow-Man> it's a dell xps 15
[07:59] <Snow-Man> the brand new one, heh
[08:00] <brainwash> a web search did not give you any helpful results?
[08:00] <brainwash> like, some kernel parameters to test
[08:02] <brainwash> also, can you confirm that /sys/class/backlight/ is empty?
[08:02] <brainwash> and the laptop firmware/bios up-to-date?
[08:03] <Snow-Man> yes, laptop and firmware are up to date
[08:03] <Snow-Man>  sys/class/backlight has just intel_baklight...
[08:03] <Snow-Man> I'm running with the nvidia drivers tho
[08:04] <Raito_Bezarius10> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[08:04] <Raito_Bezarius10> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[08:04] <Raito_Bezarius10> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[08:05] <farsight> fsf
[08:06] <brainwash> Snow-Man: not sure then. did you test if brightness control works when using the intel gpu?
[08:13] <boritek> hi, which kernel paramter can  change the keymap while pxe booting?
[08:14] <boritek> locale=...  didnt work
[08:25] <dnegreira> setkmap=
[08:28] <trijntje_> I'm trying to move sql to a different folder using this guide (https://www.dbrnd.com/2017/07/mysql-move-data-directory-to-a-new-location-on-ubuntu-16-04-datadir-apparmor-mysqld/) but I keep getting apparmor errors. Any idea how to fix this, I've already added the alias as described in the article
[08:32] <dnegreira> boritek: setkmap=
[08:33] <trijntje_> I've pasted the errors I get when starting mysql here: https://pastebin.com/94qu6E5j
[08:34] <icasdri19> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[08:36] <dreamscape> hi all i've just moved a hdd (encrypted) from one machine to another and since doing so i've got high CPU usage constantly. nothing is showing in top. any ideas?
[08:37] <trijntje_> dreamscape: how do you know you have high cpu usage if nothing shows in top?
[08:38] <dreamscape> the system monitor on the MATE bar
[08:38] <dreamscape> and the resource monitor, the cpu usage shows but i can't see what process is doing it
[08:42] <trijntje_> dreamscape: and what does top show? The resource monitor is not the same as top
[08:42] <GodSkinS16> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[08:43] <dreamscape> it shows the cpu usage but i can't see the process.
[08:43] <jdddd> Can I hide this spam (irssi) ?
[08:43] <jdddd> is there a command or something?
[08:44] <trijntje_> dreamscape: what do you mean, isn't top sorted by cpu usage by default? The first program in the list should be using the cpu
[08:44] <trijntje_> *the most
[08:44] <dreamscape> yes it is but the highest CPU process is 3.3%
[08:45] <dreamscape> whereas the resource manager is over 50%
[08:47] <trijntje_> can you explain a bit more about th two systems, are they identical? If the new system the HD is in is a lot older, it's CPU might not have the instructions to efficiently perform encryption/decryption. That could raise your CPU usage (by the kernel), which I think is hidden from top by default
[08:48] <trijntje_> I'm trying to move sql to a different folder using this guide (https://www.dbrnd.com/2017/07/mysql-move-data-directory-to-a-new-location-on-ubuntu-16-04-datadir-apparmor-mysqld/) but I keep getting apparmor errors. See https://pastebin.com/94qu6E5j
[08:48] <cooldude19> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[08:48] <cooldude19> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[08:49] <cooldude19> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[08:49] <cooldude19> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[08:49] <cooldude19> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[08:52] <dreamscape> trijntje_ old system was a pentium quad core this system is a celeron dual core
[08:54] <trijntje_> dreamscape: like 2008 celeron dual core? In that case I would not be surprised that it uses a lot of the CPU just to run the default stuf
[08:55] <dreamscape> its a more recent celeron but it is low power for sure. 2.4ghz so yeah i guess its probably the encryption.
[08:57] <trijntje_> you can check the third line of top for the number before sy, that is the percentage of time the CPU is working for the kernel (things like reading/writing the harddisk)
[08:58] <dreamscape> 8.3 us
[08:58] <dreamscape> 54.2 sy
[09:04] <trijntje_> dreamscape: that means the linux kernel is using 54% of the available CPU of your system. I don't think there is much you can do about that
[09:04] <trijntje_> I'm trying to move sql to a different folder using this guide (https://www.dbrnd.com/2017/07/mysql-move-data-directory-to-a-new-location-on-ubuntu-16-04-datadir-apparmor-mysqld/) but I keep getting apparmor errors. See https://pastebin.com/94qu6E5j
[09:04] <dreamscape> damn ok thanks
[09:09] <Redfoxmoon23> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[09:09] <Redfoxmoon23> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> .version
[09:09] <Redfoxmoon23> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[09:09] <Redfoxmoon23> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[09:09] <Redfoxmoon23> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[09:20] <ChiLLabiS> Hi! I've found this in clamav: PUA.Win,Malware.Zaxar-6628767-0 . Alot of Steam files gave me this. Should i be worried? I'm on Ubuntu
[09:20] <roberto_> anyone from spain?
[09:20] <roberto_> Anyone from zaragoza city?
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> !es | Robert_Zenz
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: in wich steam dir you found these files, and steam on windows or ubuntu?
[09:27] <ChiLLabiS> ubuntu.. /.steam/legacycompat folder
[09:27] <ChiLLabiS> Steam on ubuntu
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> ok
[09:27] <ChiLLabiS> and winesteam made ALOT more
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: cant find right away, but think they might be false positives..clamav has that more often
[09:28] <ChiLLabiS> okay thanks
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: also the fact you are on ubuntu, win malware wont be able to harm you
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: you dont execute .exe's from wine or so?
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: or have windows on dualboot?
[09:31] <rasf> ubuntu is nic
[09:31] <N3sh108> hello! I have a weird question: I have 2 mice connected to the same computer. How can I map the second mouse to some keyboard event instead?
[09:32] <ChiLLabiS> I only have ubuntu as main and no dualboot lotuspsychje .
[09:32] <N3sh108> say if I scroll up: hold the X key instead
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: ok good
[09:33] <ChiLLabiS> Crap, can't even join #clamav becasuse it needs a regged nick
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: do you use steam browser?
[09:34] <enaut[m]> Hey guys'n gals, I still do have the problem that sudo apt update does not run through. So it starts downloading the file but gets stuck at some point... I have waited long and it should long be downloaded. I manually downloaded the files and acess seems to work. any suggestions?
[09:34] <ChiLLabiS> I use the steam from apt-get
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> enaut[m]: hastebin the output for us please
[09:36] <enaut[m]> lotuspsychje:  here you go: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vd6pNPRx5R/
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: would be interesting to contact both steam and clamav to ask about this
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> enaut[m]: does it get stuck on 65% like that?
[09:36] <enaut[m]> I tried changing mirrors already
[09:37] <ChiLLabiS> Okay
[09:37] <ChiLLabiS> well me too
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: try also the steam channel
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> !steam
[09:37] <ChiLLabiS> okay will do, take care
[09:37] <enaut[m]> lotuspsychje: yep every 30 sec or so another of the duplicated lines is added
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: if you found your answer, come back with feedback ok
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> enaut[m]: come join in #ubuntu-mirrors with me
[09:39] <ChiLLabiS> okay
[09:39] <lubuntudfdsfds> test
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> lubuntudfdsfds: it works, we see you
[09:39] <lubuntudfdsfds> great :|
[09:40] <lubuntudfdsfds> my system died, i don't have password and cant write anyware else here :|
[09:40] <lubuntudfdsfds> great job
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> lubuntudfdsfds: password of what?
[09:40] <lubuntudfdsfds> irc
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> lubuntudfdsfds: join #freenode for that please
[09:41] <lubuntudfdsfds> second time in a week (first one ubuntu, and now debian) something weird was happen
[09:41] <lubuntudfdsfds> i woke up and i couldn't boot my system
[09:41] <lubuntudfdsfds> first time - no operating system
[09:42] <lubuntudfdsfds> this time - broken disk sound pip and grub hanged
[09:42] <oerheks> sounds like a hardware issue
[09:42] <lubuntudfdsfds> i can mount all partitions from live
[09:42] <furiousDingo14> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[09:42] <lubuntudfdsfds> i can work, copy, move, dd all
[09:42] <furiousDingo14> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[09:42] <furiousDingo14> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[09:42] <furiousDingo14> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[09:42] <furiousDingo14> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> lubuntudfdsfds: we need more details..ubuntu version, kernel version, pastebin of errors?
[09:43] <Tin_man> boy this spam crap is getting real old..
[09:43] <lubuntudfdsfds> well i use debian now
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> lubuntudfdsfds: we only support ubuntu here
[09:44] <lubuntudfdsfds> i know
[09:44] <oerheks> good
[09:44] <lubuntudfdsfds> but debian req nickserv pass
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> lubuntudfdsfds: stop please, dont use this channel for random chat
[09:44] <lubuntudfdsfds> thanks you are very helpful
[09:44] <oerheks> lubuntudfdsfds, jon #freenode to get your password/reset
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> lubuntudfdsfds: for nickserv issues: #freenode for debian issues: #debian
[09:48] <Tin_man> has enaut[m] tried repairing broken packages with the sudo apt-get -f install
[09:53] <enaut[m]> Tin_man: this problem happens on two diffrent installations and on the live usb... so probably this won't work... but lets try is there a way to detect broken packages?
[09:54] <Tin_man> don't know.
[09:54] <Tin_man> just seen this command when looking up download failures.
[09:55] <Tin_man> on the live usb, does it write to the hdd? or virtual disk?
[09:58] <enaut[m]> as this is a non persistent live I guess it writes to ram...
[09:58] <enaut[m]> Tin_man: changes are gone after reboot
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> enaut[m]: wait are you on a liveusb?.
[09:59] <Tin_man> i thinking maybe hdd problems, but that wouldn't be the case.
[10:00] <enaut[m]> lotuspsychje: no its an installed system - but the live system has the same symptoms
[10:06] <carlos> trying to play video and the sound is distorted any ideas people am a bit of a noob-thanks for any help in advance
[10:06] <carlos> Linux solrac 4.15.0-29-generic #31~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 18 08:54:04 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:06] <carlos> have tried reloading which has worked in past but not this time
[10:07] <carlos> firefox is the browser and this is the site https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/02/active_measures_documentary_says_russian_mob_marked_donald_trump_in_2002.html
[10:11] <Spookan> carlos: Have you tried another browser?
[10:24] <worstje> When using meld for a 3 way compare/patch job, what spot should I put my sources in, assuming I've got a base, latest and personal-fork ?
[10:49] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[10:49] <sebsebseb> Right so seems I messed up the software updater program some how in 16.04.  was on the verge of a 18.04 upgrade or potential upgrade if things went ok.   then its like do you want to continue,  or not, made that screen so full sized in unity 7 I coudn't even get to the cancel button or whatever, so turned the computer off,  to be clear nothing had properly started yet, but now when I open it up again it just crashes after a while the software
[10:49] <sebsebseb> upgrader
[10:50] <ppf> sebsebseb: have you tried the non-graphical upgrader
[10:50] <guest7558> hi guys
[10:50] <rrwa> hey
[10:51] <coz_> hey all
[10:51] <sebsebseb> ppf: no but I was th8inking of a command for that,  I know sudo apt-get install upgrade isn't it,  but apparnatly I had more updates to install when running that even,  even though I  had just done everything or so I thought
[10:51] <guest7558> how do i get amd and nvidia graphics cards working together on 18.04 theres a fglrx conflict
[10:51] <guest7558> so i cant install both
[10:51] <ppf> sebsebseb: do-release-upgrade
[10:51] <sebsebseb> ppf:    the one without the -d I assume you mean, since its not in development now.  no  I don't even ermember command, but yeah bingo that's it
[10:51] <sebsebseb> sudo apt-get do-release-upgrade ?
[10:52] <guest7558> brb
[10:52] <sebsebseb> guest7558: two graphics cards, put in the computer yourself?  or  built in ?
[10:53] <ppf> sebsebseb: no, it's not an apt command
[10:55] <coz_> sebsebseb,   sudo do-release-upgrade
[10:55] <sebsebseb> sudo do-release-upgrade ok
[10:55] <sebsebseb> I can try that yes
[10:55] <sebsebseb> thanks
[10:55] <sebsebseb> I hope it will upgrade proerply now too
[10:56] <sebsebseb> not  kick me out into  the terminal thing when trying to log in, which happens with ubuntu upgrades at times
[10:56] <sebsebseb> after an upgrade
[10:57] <coz_> sebsebseb,  if so restart command sudo init 6
[10:57] <sebsebseb> coz_: yes the one where you can log  in on a shell and that's it, no graphical stuff
[10:58] <coz_> sebsebseb,  that command will restart the system
[10:58] <spexi> Hi! I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 and my laptop is HP Folio 9470m. I have a dock for this laptop, and I have connected two external monitors to it. xrandr shows only DP-1 connected, and the two external monitors are mirrored. How the get the other monitor work correctly?
[10:58] <T3ss> Hi all, can anyone guide me on where to look. The contrast controls on my laptop are reversed. There's a lot of old bug reports on this issue, but I can't find much for 18.04. So the keyboard keys to change contrast as backwards, and if the laptop goes into idle mode, the screen goes to full brightness instead of dimming.
[10:59] <qwebirc73110> Hi all, I have a quick question about Ubuntu-MATE 18 (their IRC doesn't seem to be working). How do you make it ask for a password on resume? All of the old options have been removed from the menu(s).
[11:02] <sidy75> leaving
[11:07] <Bakkar> good day everyone, i am trying a fresh ubuntu install (18.04) and i am havin issues with the booting process.
[11:08] <adrian_1908> Bakkar: good day! feel free to describe, maybe someone knows an answer.
[11:09] <Bakkar> First, I cannot boot the flash USB without UEFI enabled, which i have disabled in the BIOS but i had to turn it on to boot the Live USB. As i dont have UEFI partition now the installer fail in the end and GRUB-UEFI wont install and the MBR is now not loading
[11:10] <ppf> how do you not have an UEFI partition when you installed in efi mode?
[11:11] <Bakkar> Second, I have tried some online uides to use grub rescue to install grub (normal MBR, without UEFI) but at no success. I am trying now the "Bood Repair" tool. But as I dont have UEFI it wont work and fix. How can I restore MBR and boot Ubunto, or how i can re-install without UEFI? :)
[11:11] <ppf> to install without uefi you need to boot the installer in legacy mode
[11:11] <Bakkar> ppf, I have only booted with UEFI enabled in BIOS
[11:12] <Bakkar> ppf, how can i boot the installer in legacy mode please?
[11:12] <sebsebseb> Bakkar: if you don't need UEFI  or not using UEFI on the system, I guess you should try legacy mode in the UEFI BIOS
[11:12] <ppf> legacy == !UEFI
[11:12] <Bakkar> sebsebseb, when i do that. USB wont load
[11:12] <sebsebseb> Bakkar: you would disable the UEFI stuff or for the most part, and enbable the legacy options
[11:12] <ppf> why
[11:13] <sebsebseb> Bakkar: USB should load
[11:13] <sebsebseb> Bakkar: with UEFI being enabled as well with secure boot being enbabled, that can stop usb's from loading up
[11:13] <Bakkar> sebsebseb, thats the confusing part .. when i disable the UEFI=AKA Legacy mode in Bios, the USB will just give me a flashing prombt with nothing loading :-?
[11:14] <ppf> how did you end up without an efi partition?
[11:14] <ppf> what did you do during install?
[11:14] <Bakkar> sebsebseb, the USB only loads the bootloader when i select UEFI boot option
[11:14] <BluesKaj> Bakkar, uaualy USB boot is an option that is turned on or off in both uefi and bios
[11:15] <Bakkar> ppf, thats an old stuff i messed the Partition table and repartioned without EFI
[11:15] <BluesKaj> usually
[11:15] <sebsebseb> Bakkar: the ISO has like two versions of Grubs for most Linux distros now,   so it detects if  soeone is running UEFI  or not
[11:15] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: then get a differnet grub depending on if running UEFI  or  the old stuff
[11:15] <ppf> Bakkar: then just reinstall in uefi mode
[11:15] <Bakkar> BluesKaj, Yes!! This is what always happens with me. Except this time with Ubuntu. KDE Neon worked fne Budgie worked fine .. not this one
[11:16] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, i run legacy since I don't more then 4 partitions anyway
[11:16] <BluesKaj> need
[11:16]  * sebsebseb this is like memory lane helping in here, except the issues are more moderen, UEFI etc uh h eh
[11:17] <BluesKaj> uefi isn't more modern, it's more complex
[11:18] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: I meant like if you go back to 2008  and 2009 and 2010 and such,  we didn't have this stuff
[11:18] <sebsebseb> and indeed UEFI is more complex when it doesnt work properly !
[11:18]  * Bakkar *coughs*
[11:18] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, yes of course, and it worked fine
[11:18] <Bakkar> :)
[11:18]  * sebsebseb had a nasty UEFI related bios bug with htis lap top, well still got that, but I got a work around for loading up Linux now,  but that's off topic now
[11:19] <trijntje__> I'm trying to move sql to a different folder using this guide (https://www.dbrnd.com/2017/07/mysql-move-data-directory-to-a-new-location-on-ubuntu-16-04-datadir-apparmor-mysqld/) but I keep getting apparmor errors. See https://pastebin.com/94qu6E5j
[11:19] <Bakkar> so anyone knows how to boot the USB in legacy mode? :)
[11:19] <sebsebseb> Bakkar: you should be able to set the UEFI bios to legavy
[11:19] <sebsebseb> Bakkar: and then the USB should detect that its legacy
[11:19] <Bakkar> is there like an option i need to pass when I load the USB?
[11:20] <sebsebseb> Bakkar:  no its down to the UEFI bios
[11:20] <Bakkar> uhaaa
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Bakkar, yeah, turn it on in the uefi/bios
[11:20] <sebsebseb> make sure legacy options are enabled
[11:20] <Bakkar> will try again now
[11:20] <Bakkar> thank you guys
[11:35] <qwebirc56719> Upgrade  16.04 to 18.04 black screen problem
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc56719: did you receive the upgrade window?
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> hey IonutVan_
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> ioria
[11:36] <qwebirc56719> What is upgrade window
[11:36] <ioria> lotuspsychje, hi lotus
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc56719: the window there is a new version of ubuntu, or did you manually upgrae from terminal?
[11:37] <qwebirc56719> No, window
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc56719: can i ask how you upgraded please
[11:37] <qwebirc56719> Alt+f2
[11:38] <qwebirc56719> Ubuntu update cd
[11:38] <qwebirc56719> Then a agree
[11:39] <qwebirc56719>  Then a step by step by automatically
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc56719: ubuntu update cd? you downloaded ubuntu on a dvd?
[11:41] <qwebirc56719> No, alt+f2 then type ubuntu-update-cd
[11:43] <ioria> maybe update-manager -cd  not ubuntu-update-cd
[11:43] <BluesKaj> qwebirc56719,  that's not an update, that's a clean install, unless you have a separate /home  partition
[11:45] <qwebirc56719> Yes i have root 100gb, and home ~900gb
[11:47] <BluesKaj> 100 GB for / is a lot , uisually 20 is plenty
[11:47] <qwebirc56719> There is a Windows say upgrade 16.04 to 18.04 accepted like that
[11:49] <qwebirc56719> I use intel i3 7100
[11:52] <qwebirc56719> No gui, black screen
[11:53] <adrian_1908> qwebirc56719: no dedicated graphics card, right?
[11:53] <qwebirc56719> Yes
[11:53] <qwebirc56719> Intel hd 630
[11:53] <adrian_1908> you're out of luck, i have no idea then :f
[11:54] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
[11:54] <qwebirc56719> O, thanks
[11:54] <BluesKaj> qwebirc56719, read above
[11:56] <oerheks> hd 630 .. i915.alpha_support=1 used to be the trick, https://askubuntu.com/questions/979162/17-10-intel-uhd-630-8700k-unable-to-boot
[11:57] <qwebirc56719> nomodeset what shout be require
[11:58] <qwebirc56719> How to set i915.alpha_support=1
[12:00] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc56719: the link oerheks provided has the instructions in it
[12:01] <Tourist6> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[12:01] <oerheks> i think you need to press 'e' on the grub menu, and add it manually for booting only, to make it static, use the instructions
[12:01] <oerheks> !grub
[12:03] <gigirock> pragmaticenigma, did you reach the login screen ?
[12:03] <pragmaticenigma> gigirock: I'm not certain what you are asking
[12:04] <qwebirc56719> Y, safe mode i reach loving screen
[12:05] <qwebirc56719> *Loging screen
[12:05] <cottongin17> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[12:05] <freedom> hi
[12:05] <gigirock> qwebirc56719, you can edit /etc/default/grub file
[12:06] <qwebirc56719> Give me full instructions what should I do
[12:08] <BluesKaj> qwebirc56719, you need to take initiative yourself, support here is to guide you, not hold your hand
[12:10] <gigirock> after the login screen you can edit with nano /etc/default/grub , find a line that can be like this GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet" and remove "splash quiet" and insert "i915.alpha_support=1"
[12:10] <coz_> hey all
[12:10] <gigirock> save with ctrl+o and exit with ctrl+x then sudo update-grub sudo reboot
[12:10] <qwebirc56719> Ok
[12:16] <vaishnv> hey
[12:16] <hackthings> hii
[12:16] <eewt> Yo
[12:16] <vaishnv> i need help please
[12:16] <leftyfb> !ask | vaishnv
[12:16] <hackthings> I link my site: http://hackthingsv3.altervista.org
[12:17] <hackthings> I link my site: http://hackthingsv3.altervista.org
[12:17] <leftyfb> hackthings: please stop
[12:17] <hackthings> why?
[12:17] <vaishnv> i recently installed ubuntu 18.04 LTS and i have no idea how it works but i somehow managed to install AMD GPU-PRO and system still doesn't play videos properly. Mine is a lenovo yoga 510 with AMD A9 9410 chipset
[12:17] <leftyfb> hackthings: this is not the place for you to link your site. This is an ubuntu support channel.
[12:18] <hackthings> ah ok sorry
[12:18] <hackthings> you link me at channel to spam my site?
[12:19] <leftyfb> no
[12:19] <hackthings> exit
[12:19] <vaishnv> i recently installed ubuntu 18.04 LTS and i have no idea how it works but i somehow managed to install AMD GPU-PRO and system still doesn't play videos properly. Mine is a lenovo yoga 510 with AMD A9 9410 chipset.Can anybody help me out?
[12:20] <leftyfb> !repeat | vaishnv
[12:20] <vaishnv> ok
[12:20] <gigirock> vaishnv, i think there some issue with that chipset... please google for that
[12:21] <vaishnv> i have tried everything possible. Also my gpu is radeo r5 m340 and radeon software is available for ubuntu 18.04 an di have installed it as well but just used one command to install. does it have any more procedure?
[12:22] <zubair> Hi
[12:22] <zubair> jemand aus de hier?
[12:23] <SwedeMike> zubair: yes, but we speak english here, not german.
[12:23] <Guest52012> Jordan_U, is it "impossible" to decrypt SHA512 password?
[12:24] <gigirock> vaishnv, https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux look there, keep in mind linux system are for nvidia graphics .....
[12:25] <vaishnv> gigirock, so there are no solutions for this issue?
[12:26] <zubair> hallo
[12:26] <eewt> zub: english here
[12:26] <pragmaticenigma> Guest52012: That really isn't a support question. Cryptographic hashing is one way, you cannot retrieve the original content, however, it is possible to have a collision vector where two things return the same hash value.
[12:26] <zubair> jemand aus de hier der sich mit ubuntu auskennt?
[12:27] <zubair> ok
[12:27] <pragmaticenigma> !de | zubair
[12:27] <zubair> may i ask a question
[12:27] <pragmaticenigma> zubair: yes
[12:28] <zubair> i am new to ubuntu ,how can i add my ubuntu pc to a work dmain?
[12:29] <leftyfb> zubair: for what purpose?
[12:30] <zubair> its my new job, in office we have samba server runing
[12:30] <zubair> i have installed ubuntu and want to get connected with this workgroup
[12:30] <leftyfb> zubair: ok, so mount those samba shares and when asked, type in your credentials
[12:31] <leftyfb> zubair: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaClientGuide
[12:32] <gigirock> vaishnv, i have not this hardware and i cannot test it, anyway I never bought a AMD grpahic card in my life.............
[12:32] <qwebirc56719> gigirock : not work, same as it was.
[12:33] <gigirock> qwebirc56719, when the system boots , do you see the strings on video ?
[12:33] <zubair> i am already connected to nas
[12:33] <BluesKaj> qwebirc56719, did you update grub?
[12:33] <qwebirc56719> Y
[12:33] <qwebirc56719> Yes
[12:34] <Guest52012> pragmaticenigma, I have some symbol like $ . and / in the same line in the file /etc/shadow , how I can recognize the hash
[12:34] <gigirock> qwebirc56719, is your system and old system ?
[12:35] <qwebirc56719> Update grub and restart in normal mode black screen, safe mode log in
[12:35] <qwebirc56719> I use i3 7100
[12:35] <qwebirc56719> Intel
[12:40] <qwebirc22193> I change greb but not work for me
[12:42] <gigirock> qwebirc17458, what is your gpaphic card and are u on laptop or desktop ?
[12:43] <qwebirc22193> Safe mode hii log screen appare but  not able to login
[12:43] <qwebirc22193> Desktop intel i3 7100 hd  630
[12:44] <gigirock> qwebirc22193, and why you need that command in grub ?
[12:45] <qwebirc22193> Safe mode gui log screen but unable to login
[12:45] <gigirock> qwebirc22193, please why are you without login screen , are you upgrading ? from where to where ?
[12:46] <qwebirc22193> Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04
[12:47] <gigirock> qwebirc22193, God Bless you, did you upgrade from the old system without a usb key ?
[12:48] <qwebirc22193> Online upgrade
[12:50] <qwebirc22193> Ok, i think I broke my system
[12:51] <gigirock> qwebirc22193, so please come back to the terminal, and like before delete the string "i915.alpha_support=1" leave "" like empty string, then sudo update-grub and sudo reboot
[12:51] <gigirock> qwebirc22193, after the reboot please choose the advanced session and recovery mode, please select repair damage package or something similar and then another reboot
[12:53] <hsiktas> why does 'do-release-upgrade' on 16.04 still say that there is no new release?
[12:54] <sebsebseb> hsiktas: I had that too just now
[12:54] <hsiktas> shouldn't 18.04.1 appear?
[12:54] <sebsebseb> hsiktas: you would think so, but no, but then I figured  it out, and then yes
[12:54] <Apachez> in ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS where are which dns servers to use to be used stored? obviously not in /etc/resolv.conf
[12:55] <sebsebseb> hsiktas: its on the only looking for long term support releases option by default in
[12:55] <Apachez> resolv.conf points to 127.0.0.53 so where is the config for the local dns client?
[12:55] <sebsebseb> hsiktas: software and updates
[12:55] <moffa> Apachez it uses systemd-resolve
[12:55] <qwebirc2456> Grub_cmdline_linux_default="".   Or quiet splase
[12:55] <sebsebseb> hsiktas: but if you change that to normal versions, it will appear
[12:55] <sebsebseb> hsiktas: maybe that's a bug I don't know
[12:55] <sebsebseb> but I had that just now
[12:55] <Apachez> moffa: yes but there are no dns servers pointed out in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[12:55] <hsiktas> my `/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades` contains `Prompt=lts`
[12:55] <sebsebseb> hsiktas: yes make it show non LTS versiosn noraml versions
[12:55] <sebsebseb> and it should appear
[12:56] <moffa> You run sudo systemd-resolve --status to display your current dns servers
[12:56] <leftyfb> sebsebseb: no
[12:56] <leftyfb> hsiktas: do not do what sebsebseb suggested
[12:56] <Apachez> moffa: sure but where are those ip addresses stored?
[12:56] <acheronuk> hsiktas: 16.04 -> 18.04 LTS upgrades have not been enabled yet
[12:56] <Apachez> which file?
[12:56] <Apachez> they exists in the gui
[12:56] <sebsebseb> leftyfb: I said maybe it's a bug why its not showng  as just a lts
[12:56] <Apachez> but I cant locate the file
[12:56] <Apachez> I assume its networkmanager related
[12:56] <leftyfb> sebsebseb: non-LTS would be upgrading to 18.10 which is not released yet
[12:56] <sebsebseb> leftyfb: no
[12:56] <sebsebseb> leftyfb: no I just done this
[12:56] <sebsebseb> waht I am saying
[12:56] <hsiktas> acheronuk: is there somewhere a public bug or wiki entry that tracks this?
[12:56] <sebsebseb> I  am now on 18.04
[12:57] <sebsebseb> upgraded from 16.04
[12:57] <acheronuk> hsiktas: there are some critical upgrade bugs that need to be fixed before upgrades are enabled
[12:57] <leftyfb> ^
[12:57] <gigirock> hsiktas, you have to add -d option 'cause 18 is still considered a develop version
[12:57] <sebsebseb> hsiktas: what acheronuk  just  put, so it makes sense,  make it show normal versions and not just LTS, and it comes up
[12:57] <pragmaticenigma> There is no bug with "do-release-upgrade" ... The LTS-to-LTS upgrade has not been officially released
[12:58] <hsiktas> yeah, I will stick with LTS and until Canonical hold off upgrading from the previous LTS, I won't do it :)
[12:58] <acheronuk> hsiktas: LP: #1766890 is the main one causing concern IIRC
[12:58] <sebsebseb> its meant to be released for 18.04.1 though
[12:58] <donofrio> How do I skip at boot these "A start job is running for..." 5 min waits?
[12:58] <sebsebseb> but I guess its still not ready
[12:58] <sebsebseb> hsiktas: you will still get LTS though if you did what I put
[12:58] <leftyfb> gigirock: please don't give misinformation
[12:58] <sebsebseb> hsiktas: you could even disable the option back to only show LTS
[12:59] <sebsebseb> you won't be getting 18.10
[12:59] <sebsebseb> in dev
[12:59] <moffa> I'm not sure what you are asking?  You were asking how do you know which dns servers are used.  It is shown under systemd-resolv --status under the DNS header
[12:59] <gigirock> leftyfb, this is the info I have
[12:59]  * sebsebseb is glad that this upgrade went well, since had issues before !
[12:59] <leftyfb> gigirock: -d is for development versions. Which in this case is 18.10. Not "18" as you have stated.
[12:59] <leftyfb> which nobody should be upgrading to
[12:59] <hsiktas> the release notes should probably not mention updating from 16.04 as long as it is not enabled by default: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[13:00] <Aleric> I am just here about those release notes :/
[13:00] <acheronuk> it says "Upgrades from 16.04 LTS will not be enabled until a few days after 18.04.1's release expected in early August."
[13:01] <Aleric> I was told that in July upgrading from 16.04LTS to 18.04LTS would be enabled.
[13:01] <acheronuk> it's just been a few more days than we expected
[13:01] <sebsebseb> well whatever
[13:01] <sebsebseb> it worked great for me ugprading
[13:01] <sebsebseb> and a system I had problems with 16.04 even afteri nstalling other htings into it and so on
[13:02] <sebsebseb> a system I had a mother board replaced in even, which resulted in serious uefi issues untill a work around, no booting Linux.   a system that mostly wroks with a workaround, except for the wifi possibly hmm,  which is why I
[13:02] <sebsebseb> which is why I thought actsually can probably configure that wireless, but how
[13:02] <Aleric> It doesn't work at all here... To begin with the fact that those notes describe something that I don't have. "To upgrade on a desktop system: Open the "Software & Updates" Setting in System Settings.
[13:02] <sebsebseb> lets try  IRC again, it might be useful
[13:03] <Aleric> There IS no "Software & Updates"?!
[13:03] <sebsebseb> ok so my ethernet works, that's fine and good, but the wireless does not, propritary driver is instaleld it seems, but it just doesn't detct etc, even says coudn't detct a wireless adapater, any idea's.  it's a lap top so it's built in
[13:04] <sebsebseb> Aleric: software & updates is in the unity search
[13:04] <sebsebseb> Aleric: its the graphical program
[13:04] <Aleric> I have K-menu --> Settings --> System Settings --> lots of stuff but no "Software & Updates"
[13:04] <sebsebseb> search for software and updates
[13:04] <zztopless> Evening all... Can anyone recommend a guide to getting samba shares working from ubuntu 18.04 (actually running kubuntu 18.04.01 - but have tried ubuntu 18.04 as well witht the same issue) that can be seen from windows?  I feel like I've tried just about everything :(  I can read windows shares in kubuntu and mount them via fstab no problems, but not he other way around...
[13:04] <gigirock> k-stuff
[13:04] <sebsebseb> you might still have it
[13:05] <sebsebseb> Aleric: that's only for the repo, to enable  the versions.  you may have something equivlieant in kubuntu
[13:05] <acheronuk> Aleric: kubuntu?
[13:05] <Apachez> so noone in here knows where the dns server list is being stored in ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS? The one which you configure through gui - where is that being stored?
[13:05] <Aleric> How can I check if I have kubuntu?
[13:05] <sebsebseb> anyway my wireless issue,  anyone got some idea's,    how to get my wireless to work again? I mean it used to work in the past on this lap top in Linux too, before motherboard got repalced etc etc
[13:05] <sebsebseb> Aleric: if you installe enough of kde you probably do
[13:06] <sebsebseb> you mentioend the k menu too so
[13:06] <Aleric> I'm using KDE, but I think it was gnome before that - I just switched desktop
[13:06] <sebsebseb> Aleric: you installed kubuntu-desktop ?
[13:06] <acheronuk> Aleric: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BionicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[13:06] <gigirock> sebsebseb, please open a terminal and lshw can tell us which wifi chip is not working
[13:07] <sebsebseb> Aleric: its all Ubuntu in the background, but yes if your in Kubuntu your in Kubuntu
[13:08] <acheronuk> Aleric: but as said, upgrades are not enabled yet. for any flavour
[13:09] <jmgb4> Holy cow. After being gone for a week all these spam messages.. What did I miss? lol
[13:09] <Aleric> I don't have kubuntu-desktop installed no.
[13:09] <sebsebseb> Aleric: if you installed plastma you got KDE/Kubuntu
[13:09] <sebsebseb> Aleric: if you switched to another GUI your running Kubuntu or whatever you installed
[13:10] <sebsebseb> not the standard Ubuntu wtih GNOME or Unity but in the background its all Ubuntu
[13:10] <Aleric> I have plasma-desktop yes
[13:10] <sebsebseb> gigirock: it works in WIndows of course the wireless,   someone suspected befoer that I had wireless issues, and yep seems so.   something else I would like to sort out if possible is bluetooth from this lap top, so I can stream music over to a stereo,  but seems got issues with that too.   I am about to pastebin the output
[13:11] <sebsebseb> Aleric: so your running KDE /Plasma
[13:11] <sebsebseb> Aleric: KDE is mostly just called plasma now
[13:11] <moffa> Apachez: It's in systemd-resolve --status. It displays your Global and link-specific DNS entries
[13:11] <sebsebseb> Aleric: if your in kde with the k menu your running it simple
[13:12] <sebsebseb> Aleric: you could switch back to unity / GNOME for the software and updates program though, but you can probably find it some wehre in the k menu as well  actually
[13:12] <sebsebseb> Aleric: unless you removed unity/gnome  you have it installed  still, and can get in and out from the log in screen
[13:12] <sebsebseb> to each differnet gui
[13:14] <Aleric> https://gyazo.com/0f0c160ae7d9b1740848ee4a819af9a7
[13:14] <Aleric> It says "A new version of Kubuntu is available" - I thought you didn't enable that yet? *confused*
[13:15] <sebsebseb> gigirock: https://pastebin.com/mPXZ4X2n there
[13:15] <Apachez> moffa: yes and if I want to change those dns server addresses, which FILE shall I edit?
[13:16] <sebsebseb> Aleric: man you must be newbie h eh :d  ok so uhmm it says new version where ?
[13:17] <sebsebseb> Aleric: and which version ?
[13:17] <Apachez> sebsebseb: we have all been there - why not just direct him to the sudo do-release-upgrade in terminal instead?
[13:17] <sebsebseb> Apachez: yeah I just used that
[13:17] <sebsebseb> and my 16.04 to 18.04 upgrade went well
[13:17]  * sebsebseb was going to keep this install on 16.04 but then changed my mind.   might do a sepeate 16.04 on here again at some stage. if can find a particular ppa
[13:17] <vavkamil> hello
[13:18] <vavkamil> is it safe now to do dist-upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04?
[13:18] <sebsebseb> Aleric: you started with which version of ubuntu? 16.04 ?
[13:18] <sebsebseb> vavkamil: mostly yes, but  those upgrades haven't been enabled by default yet
[13:18] <sebsebseb> vavkamil: you can still upgrade though
[13:18] <Apachez> vavkamil: when you run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade you dont upgrade any major or minor version
[13:18] <vavkamil> can I verify which version of Perl is in 18.04?
[13:19] <Apachez> so its safe to run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade when on 16.x
[13:19] <Apachez> vavkamil: 18.04.1 LTS:
[13:19] <Apachez> This is perl 5, version 26, subversion 1 (v5.26.1) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
[13:19] <Apachez> (with 63 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail)
[13:20] <gigirock> sudo apt-get update &&
[13:20] <gigirock> sudo apt-get --reinstall install bcmwl-kernel-source sebsebseb
[13:20] <vavkamil> ok it's never than on 16.04
[13:20] <Apachez> I hope so :P
[13:20] <sebsebseb> gigirock: do I want to so sudo aptget update too  ?
[13:20] <moffa> Apachez: If you want to overwrite it, you can just edit /etc/resolv.conf instead
[13:21] <vavkamil> Apachez, can you please try: perl -MCarp -e 'print $Carp::VERSION ."\n";'
[13:21] <gigirock> sebsebseb, yes
[13:21] <sebsebseb> ok I will try that
[13:21] <gigirock> vavkamil, https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=perl
[13:21] <sebsebseb> gigirock: but yeah right now, it doesnt' detect any of the wireless stuff by default
[13:21] <sebsebseb> and was like that in 16.04 to
[13:23] <Aleric> Ugh - it's not working.
[13:23] <Apachez> vavkamil: 1.42
[13:23] <sebsebseb> gigirock: why did you put the && ?  sudo apt-get update &&
[13:24] <Aleric> It says that my /var partition is too small.  I forgot how much it needed :/
[13:24] <vavkamil> Apachez, thank you, just solved my problem
[13:24] <sebsebseb> Aleric: why have you got a seperate / var ?
[13:24] <Aleric> It could just ask me for a partition with more space no? :/
[13:24] <Apachez> Aleric: you can try running       sudo apt-get autoremove --purge         and apt-get autoclean       and apt-get clean
[13:24] <Apachez> also bleachbit is a good program to try to remove stuff you dont need
[13:24] <gigirock> sebsebseb, please in one line sudo apt update and then in another line the other install command
[13:24] <sebsebseb> Aleric: if you don't have enough space in a needed partition, an upgrade won't work
[13:25] <sebsebseb> gigirock: that's what I thought the && was wrong not needed
[13:25] <Aleric> Because if /var runs full I don't want -say- / to be full too.  I have in on a separate partition precisely because it can grow without bounds sometimes.
[13:25] <Aleric> The partition is 5.8 GB
[13:25] <sebsebseb> Aleric: most people don't do a seperate /var though
[13:26] <sebsebseb> Aleric: have everything in / a big /  or with a seperaet /home and possib ly a swap partiton but ubuntu uses swap files apparnatly now anyway so even less of a need for swap partition
[13:26] <sebsebseb> Aleric: you will have to re size things etc, if things are too small to upgrade
[13:26] <Aleric> I don't need swap, I have enough RAM
[13:26] <sebsebseb> yes but that was my example with swap
[13:26] <sebsebseb> I don't bother with swap paritiotn
[13:27] <sebsebseb> and I only got like 4gb ram ro whatever even on less don't bother now
[13:27] <Aleric> How much free space in /var is needed?
[13:27] <sebsebseb> my main point though is that you probably didn't really need a seperate /var
[13:27] <sebsebseb> I don't know, since I Just keep that in /
[13:27] <sebsebseb> the only one I make sepeate possibly is /home
[13:28] <sebsebseb> Aleric: a  / partition including /var is usaully big enough at say 15GB, unless you put in lots of big Linux games for example, yes that's right Linux does have those avaialbe to
[13:28] <Aleric> I have a partition for /, /usr, /boot, /var, /var/tmp, /usr/local, /usr/src, /encrypted, /opt, /opt/verylarge and /home
[13:28] <sebsebseb> Aleric: and big enough if y9ou got /home seperate   as well, otherwise you would want quite a bit bigger
[13:28] <sebsebseb> you have these seemingly unneeded seperate partitions !
[13:28] <sebsebseb> that would have been fine enough in a big /
[13:29] <sebsebseb> or at least 15 to 20 gb if you got /home seperate like in my above example
[13:29] <Aleric> No, because if THEN you run of disk space the whole system stops working :/
[13:29] <Aleric> Sometimes something is using *ridiculous* amounts of diskspace... I detect that way sooner this way then when I let it run a 1 TB disk full.
[13:29] <EriC^^> Aleric: typically you might only fill up /var by mistake due to a running log
[13:30] <Aleric> For example
[13:30] <Aleric> And that happens more often than you think :/
[13:31] <Aleric> So all those people (who probably don't understand partitions anyway) dump everything in one big / might have log files around of 500 GB and no even know it.
[13:31] <Aleric> not*
[13:31] <sebsebseb> Aleric: I don't think log files should get that big
[13:32] <Aleric> So, the "most people don't do this" doesn't sound like a good argument to me :)
[13:32] <Aleric> no they shouldn't, but some do.
[13:32] <sebsebseb> Aleric: maybe you use your computer oddly too :d  I don't remember ever getting any 500gb log files
[13:33] <sebsebseb> also if a log file is just text
[13:33] <Aleric> That is a bug - and I detect them by putting things that can grow out of bounds (or have done that before on me) in a separate partition. /var is certainly among those.  If 5.8 GB isn't enough, well...
[13:33] <sebsebseb> then uhmm
[13:33] <Tin_man> been using ubuntu over 5 years, and never see log files grow into a monster file, nor have i ever had to look at them.
[13:33] <Aleric> Anyway, I think the release notes should mention that size that is required in /var :p.
[13:34] <sebsebseb> Tin_man: indeed same here, but longer for the useage
[13:35] <Aleric> There was another thing... while attempting this upgrade I got a pop-up saying: "Some of your third party repositories have been disabled. You can enable them again after the upgrade"
[13:35] <Tin_man> i'm running it on a 80gb hdd.
[13:35] <Tin_man> i think i would notice
[13:35] <sebsebseb> Aleric: yes if you got  ppas installed they get disabled on ugprade
[13:36] <Aleric> That is not enough information: I need to know what was disabled - so I can check if it will work at all: maybe that third party isn't supporting 18.0.4 and I don't want to upgrade without them :/
[13:36] <sebsebseb> right my ethernet cable came lose there back
[13:38] <Aleric> For example, I am extremely relying on kxstudio for my sound- I guess I should check up front if they support 18.0.4 :/. But then the upgrade was aborted - were the third party repositories enabled again? Or are they still disabled?
[13:39] <sebsebseb> Aleric: ppas get disaled since it's not offical ubuntu software
[13:39] <sebsebseb> Aleric: it could cuase problems in the upgraded version etc
[13:39] <setra> Does anybody know a decent guide for setup of a CEFS cluster...
[13:39] <TafThorne> I am a bit stuck.  Trying to work out how to install debug symbol packages that apport states it needs.  I cannot find packages to do the job.  Apport's compaint can be seen at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git-cola/+bug/1785249/comments/7
[13:40] <EriC^^> Aleric: the ppa's are in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ take a look at the links and see if the devs support 18.04
[13:40] <EriC^^> Aleric: ppa's might be in /etc/apt/sources.list as well
[13:41] <dserodio> http://bit.ly/minimal-ubuntu says the latest Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Docker image should be 29MB, but I'm getting a 83.5MB image. Does anyone know why?
[13:44] <Aleric> Hmm, I have 19 ppa's in there. Apparently the upgrade attempt created *.distUpgrade files (maybe it moved the *.list there?); and 2 minutes later it (re)created the normal *.list files again.  I think it should have removed the *.distUpgrade files again after that.
[13:44] <Bahhumbug5> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[13:46] <sebsebseb> gigirock: right did that, don't see my wieless on the gui though, but maybe I re boot I will I guess hmm
[13:47] <setra> not much going on here...
[13:47] <setra> is it a bad time?
[13:49] <worstje> Why is there no package for Code::Blocks 17.12 that I can find in the repositories? There's a stupid redraw bug that apparently only affects ubuntu.. and that is the only version in the repository. Is my only option to figure out a source install for it?
[13:50] <tarzeau__> worstje: is that a perl package?
[13:50] <sebsebseb> setra: lots is going on here
[13:50] <worstje> tarzeau__: It is an IDE. CodeBlocks. I think they write it Code::Blocks, or am I mistaken?
[13:51] <tomreyn> setra: there is also #ubuntu-server. maybe it's just that no one knows what a 'CEFS cluster' ist.
[13:51] <tarzeau__> worstje: ah, cpan packages also have Something::Something
[13:51] <aLeSD> hi all
[13:51] <aLeSD> systemctl --user is to manage the service of the user ?
[13:51] <gigirock> aLeSD,yes sir
[13:52] <aLeSD> I just created a service: /etc/systemd/system/geth.service
[13:52] <worstje> tarzeau__: Ah yeah, that makes sense. Unfortunately that's not the kind of package I'm looking for.
[13:52] <tarzeau__> worstje: wonder where you got your version from? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/codeblocks
[13:52] <aLeSD> and I'd like to make it run on startup
[13:52] <brainwash> aLeSD: that is not the location for user services
[13:53] <aLeSD> brainwash, that's the root one, isn't it?
[13:53] <tarzeau__> worstje: what about building a debian package of the latest version yourself?
[13:53] <brainwash> aLeSD: right
[13:53] <aLeSD> so ... if I can run a service as a user?
[13:53] <aLeSD> ,...
[13:54] <worstje> tarzeau__: Default apt-get for 18.04, bionic beaver. Unfortunately the bug is in 16.01 so not even cosmic could save me there.
[13:54] <aLeSD> so ... can I run a service at startup as a user ?
[13:55] <worstje> tarzeau__: But given that CB 17.12 released late 2017, I'd expect there to be a package at this point, if not in bionic, then in some other place. :/
[13:55] <aLeSD> brainwash: which is the location of the user services ?
[13:55] <tarzeau__> worstje: not even debian: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=codeblocks
[13:55] <brainwash> aLeSD: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html#Unit%20File%20Load%20Path
[13:56] <kentropy> Hi everyone. I recently upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04. Recording webcam video with cheese at the highest resolution (1920x1200) is now really laggy, and I'm not sure what I can do. It worked very well in 16.04. If anybody has any ideas, I would really appreciate it.
[13:56] <worstje> tarzeau__: That's pretty sad. I get that IDEs aren't popular, but you'd figure that someone would have noticed by now. :( Thanks.
[13:57] <tarzeau__> worstje: i know some vscode users
[13:57] <Aleric> EriC^^: How would I check if some ppa is supporting 18.04? For example the neovim-ppa-ubuntu-stable-xenial.list file contains 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/neovim-ppa/stable/ubuntu xenial main' would do I do with that?
[13:57] <tarzeau__> worstje: and then there's emacs :) pycharm.. and some others
[13:57] <brainwash> aLeSD: only for your user account -> $HOME/.local/share/systemd/user
[13:58] <brainwash> aLeSD: systemwide would be /etc/systemd/user
[13:59] <Aleric> Hmmm http://ppa.launchpad.net/neovim-ppa/stable/ubuntu/dists/bionic/ exists.
[13:59] <worstje> tarzeau__: I guess I'm plain unlucky. Thanks for looking into it to the degree you did; I hadn't even thought of checking debian.
[13:59] <tarzeau__> worstje: if you hold on a minute, i can try to create an updated package of it
[14:01] <worstje> tarzeau__: I'll hang around, thank you! I could probably figure out an install from a direct compile, but a proper package would make me a bit more comfortable for the future. :)
[14:02] <Sousapro12> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[14:02] <tarzeau__> worstje: can you run: wget http://sourceforge.net/projects/codeblocks/files/Sources/17.12/codeblocks_17.12.tar.xz
[14:03] <worstje> tarzeau__: Got it.
[14:04] <tarzeau__> worstje: tar xJf codeblocks_17.12.tar.xz
[14:04] <tarzeau__> worstje: cd codeblocks*/; debuild
[14:05] <tarzeau__> worstje: then probably: apt-get install libwxgtk3.0-dev wx-common libgamin-dev libhunspell-dev
[14:05] <tarzeau__> worstje: and then again debuild
[14:06] <worstje> Give me a few minutes, gotta install debuild first: )
[14:06] <tarzeau__> worstje: fine. but as you can see, building source debian packages is very easy :)
[14:06] <worstje> Should I manually remove my existing C::B package, or will it upgrade?
[14:06] <tarzeau__> worstje: it'll upgrade
[14:08] <worstje> Looks quite simple. Will let you know how it goes; got a few more dependencies to take care of.
[14:12] <lynxis7> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[14:26] <cavillis> !ltsupgrade
[14:26] <leftyfb> cavillis: there's currently 1 or more bugs that are still being addressed before the upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 will be offered
[14:27] <cavillis> leftyfb: thank you. is it considered unsafe to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04? its offered when i remove the LTS restriction for update checks
[14:28] <leftyfb> cavillis: I've seen people have problems. I've seen people have no problems.
[14:28] <cavillis> fair enough ill wait. thanks
[14:28] <moef> Hi. Anyone know how to lock down access to system functionality such as networking and unity-control-center for a given user that is automatically logged in?
[14:29] <ioria> ok, ubuntu 18.04.1 Release Notes : "Set the "Notify me of a new Ubuntu version" drop down menu to "For any new version" if you are using 16.04 LTS; set it to "For long-term support versions" if you are using 17.10. "
[14:29] <wastrel> hi what's the GUI package manager called?  how do i run it  ubuntu-software doesn't seem to be useful for managing apt packages
[14:29] <wastrel> 18.04
[14:30] <ioria> meaning : you don't have LTS set if you are upgrading from 16.04
[14:30] <EriC^^> wastrel: gnome-software ?
[14:30] <aLeSD> brainwash: I don't get it
[14:30] <wastrel> EriC^^: so when i search for a package i have installed in that , it says "no application found"
[14:30] <aLeSD> it I put my service in /etc/systemd/user how could I run it as user1 at startup ?
[14:31] <brainwash> aLeSD: you enable it
[14:31] <aLeSD> ah
[14:31] <aLeSD> let me try
[14:32] <wastrel> that seems to be what's available but yeah, not finding some packages i have
[14:32] <wastrel> ok thanks
[14:32] <bumbar28> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[14:33] <EriC^^> wastrel: odd, i use unity on 16.04 so cant help much, sorry
[14:33] <asdfgh> hello
[14:33] <EriC^^> hi
[14:34] <asdfgh> guys anyone know a good CAM software? (to create toolpaths for CNC)
[14:34] <asdfgh> ?
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[14:34] <asdfgh> basically a software the create g-code
[14:34] <EriC^^> !alternatives | asdfgh
[14:34] <EriC^^> asdfgh: nevermind ubottu 's comment
[14:35] <EriC^^> asdfgh: try looking here https://alternativeto.net/software/ubuntu/
[14:36] <bungle11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[14:36] <EriC^^> asdfgh: search for the windows equivalent and it'll give you ubuntu software similar
[14:38] <shah15> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[14:38] <aLeSD> brainwash: doesn't work
[14:38] <aLeSD> it's strange ... how could I list all the available services ?
[14:39] <trijntje__> I cannot use mysql after trying to move it to another location, I keep getting https://pastebin.com/94qu6E5j.  I've already reinstalled both mysql and apparmor, but still I can't use mysql. How can I fix this, I need to be able to use mysql
[14:40] <aLeSD> service --status-all doesn't show my custom service ... why ?
[14:41] <brainwash> aLeSD: why aren't you using systemctl?
[14:41] <aLeSD> brainwash, I dunno ?
[14:42] <brainwash> I highly recommend reading the manual page for systemctl
[14:42] <leftyfb> trijntje__: Are you running this on plesk?
[14:42] <asdfgh> EriC^^, i am checking thanks
[14:43] <leftyfb> trijntje__: regardless, I just googled your error and came up with https://support.plesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004185293-Unable-to-start-MySQL-on-Ubuntu-AVC-apparmor-DENIED-operation-open-
[14:43] <asdfgh> EriC^^, i was using Aspire https://alternativeto.net/software/vectric-aspire/
[14:43] <UncleSamuel25> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[14:43] <UncleSamuel25> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[14:43] <UncleSamuel25> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[14:43] <asdfgh> i see windows everywhere
[14:43] <asdfgh> :(
[14:43] <trijntje__> leftyfb: no, just regular ubuntu 16.04. I must have broken something when trying to move the database to another location. Now I just want to get it working again
[14:45] <asdfgh> EriC^^, i think i will go with winehq :/
[14:46] <EriC^^> asdfgh: should be good
[14:46] <dreamcat4> hi there. i'm looking for an alternative to the 'gnome system monitor' extension
[14:47] <pixoum> hello all can i use smplayer in ubuntu to read flux tv like this: smplayer http://mafreebox.freebox.fr/freeboxtv/playlist.m3u ?
[14:47] <asdfgh> EriC^^, i never used winehq, but it is basically a "conversion" of windows dll etc ?
[14:47] <EriC^^> asdfgh: try this https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjw7qPS1djcAhUHasAKHWYpBIsQFjAAegQIDBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgrabcad.com%2Fquestions%2Fwhich-is-the-best-free-software-for-generating-cnc-part-program&usg=AOvVaw01_3UPC5mk2ryYHP7tZ1mo
[14:47] <EriC^^> asdfgh: https://grabcad.com/questions/which-is-the-best-free-software-for-generating-cnc-part-program
[14:48] <dreamcat4> (because gnome system monitor hangs the gnome-shell process, i need a seperate app indicator, 18.04)
[14:48] <dreamcat4> to run in a different thread
[14:48] <EriC^^> !info linuxcnc
[14:48] <EriC^^> asdfgh: this seems good http://linuxcnc.org/
[14:49] <dreamcat4> i suppose it has to be 'psensors' then
[14:49] <dreamcat4> has to be (recommended by the author of lm-sensors package)
[14:50] <asdfgh> EriC^^, I think this is an interface of the CNC, it controls CNC i already have a controller i only need a softwtare to create the toolpaths...
[14:50] <asdfgh> like vetric aspire...
[14:50] <asdfgh> maybe freecad
[14:50] <asdfgh> or sketcup from google
[14:51] <EriC^^> asdfgh: ah i see
[14:51] <asdfgh> EriC^^, wine is basically a giant framework that re-write the windows dll ?
[14:51] <EriC^^> seemed to have pics of designs in the screenshots
[14:51] <asdfgh> system files etc ?
[14:52] <EriC^^> !wine | asdfgh
[14:52] <asdfgh> EriC^^, do you think is beter to create a virtual machine with virtualbox and then running windows...or just run the program with wine ?
[14:52] <trijntje__> I cannot use mysql after trying to move it to another location, I keep getting https://pastebin.com/94qu6E5j.  Is there a way to completely reset my mysql/apparmor install to the default settings?
[14:53] <EriC^^> asdfgh: virtualmachine would be better
[14:53] <asdfgh> with virtualbox i cannot use nvidia card etc...so it has conts too
[14:53] <asdfgh> oh really?
[14:53] <TJ-> trijntje__: you'd need to undo whatever it was you did :)
[14:53] <two4tea> Hi All
[14:53] <EriC^^> asdfgh: wine doesnt always run so nice in my own very limited experience, if you need the 3d stuff then i guess virtualmachine would be a bad idea too
[14:54] <trijntje__> TJ-: I think I did, but clearly not. But there should be a way to reset a package to its default state after install?
[14:54] <EriC^^> asdfgh: how about using a native linux cad software that can convert to .dwg or something and then convert to g-code?
[14:54] <asdfgh> EriC^^, no no i do not play games...i only need to understand if i can run graphic soft in a virtual machine...
[14:54] <asdfgh> something like photoshop (gimp) or software like that
[14:54] <TJ-> trijntje__: generally packages will not replace any config files changed by the admin
[14:54] <asdfgh> EriC^^, yes sure
[14:55] <asdfgh> freecad but i need to understand if it is possible
[14:55] <asdfgh> or maybe...blender?
[14:56] <trijntje__> TJ-: is there a non general way?
[14:56] <EriC^^> asdfgh: whatever your more comfortable with, freecad should be very similar to solidworks or any other parametrized cad software
[14:56] <EriC^^> asdfgh: there's also a autocad clone called draftsight, but it's not free
[14:56] <asdfgh> i have to testit
[14:57] <bn_work> has anyone noticed weirdness with `iptables-persistent` (v0.5.7) and rules getting wiped out randomly?  It seems like it's also designed to overwrite the tables on disk with that which is in memory, which seems weird...  I was thinking of using `iptables-persistent` on another box but am weary of it now if rules will randomly disappear...
[14:58] <two4tea> MFW I had a permssions issue and it wasn't logged out...
[14:59] <aLeSD> brainwash, I got this: ● bac_graphql.service - BAC GraphQL server
[14:59] <aLeSD>    Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/user/bac_graphql.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[14:59] <aLeSD>    Active: inactive (dead)
[14:59] <leftyfb> trijntje__: I googled your error and came up with https://support.plesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004185293-Unable-to-start-MySQL-on-Ubuntu-AVC-apparmor-DENIED-operation-open-
[15:02] <trijntje__> leftyfb: that did not work, I still get the same error
[15:03] <TJ-> bn_work: that sounds like a description of what netfilters-persistent/iptables-persistent is supposed to do
[15:03] <leftyfb> trijntje__: did you restart apparmor or reboot after making the change?
[15:04] <bn_work> TJ:  are you being facetious? :)  rules getting wiped out randomly doesn't seem like a desirable feature :)
[15:05] <TJ-> bn_work: when is "randomly" - persistent means load on boot, save from memory at shutdown
[15:05] <leftyfb> bn_work: why not just through iptables-restore into a post-up line in your network config? I've been doing that for years without issue
[15:05] <trijntje__> leftyfb: yes, I restarted apparmor
[15:08] <bn_work> TJ:  after running for a few weeks
[15:09] <bn_work> TJ:  ssh in and notice either all the tables are wiped out or replaced with a different/older version in mem
[15:09] <bn_work> leftyfb: doesn't `iptables-persistent` already do that?
[15:09] <leftyfb> bn_work: only when it works properly ;)
[15:10] <leftyfb> bn_work: I have never had the issue you're having when I just add iptables-restore to a post-up
[15:10] <leftyfb> I have never used iptables-persistent
[15:10] <TJ-> bn_work: could it be interacting with some other tool that messes with firewall, such as ufw?
[15:11] <bn_work> TJ-:  doubt it, it's always been off
[15:12] <TJ-> bn_work: I've just checked the code for {netfilter,iptables}-persistent and I can't see any way it's going to be doing anything other than a load at boot. It doesn't even save on shutdown, you have to do that manually using iptables-save (as in the dpkg-configure script)
[15:12] <TJ-> bn_work: is the system using systemd or sysvinit for the init daemon?
[15:14] <bn_work> TJ-: upstart 1.12.1, this is an older LTS box
[15:14] <bn_work> 14.04 I believe
[15:14] <setra> tomreyn, THX, that idea is great... :-)
[15:15] <TJ-> bn_work: so probably using the /etc/init.d/netfilter-persistent script then
[15:16] <bn_work> hmm, what is the man page for `iptables-persistent`... can't seem to find one :/
[15:16] <dreamcat4> hello, i'm having a problem with gnome desktop, which i cannot seem to find an answer for:
[15:17] <bn_work> #gnome?
[15:17] <dreamcat4> i have used a gnome extension to remove the center indicators (for time, weather, etc). but despite it being removed now, the right hand side indicators still cannot spill past that 50% point along the top bar
[15:17] <trijntje__> TJ-, leftyfb: I ended up removing /var/lib/mysql, running apt purge mysql-.* and reinstalling, and after that the problem is gone. As well as my data, so I wouldn't recommend this solution
[15:17] <TJ-> bn_work: there isn't, those are a plugin for netfilter-persistent
[15:17] <bn_work> TJ-: hmm, I don't seem to have a /etc/init.d/netfilter-persistent
[15:17] <dreamcat4> #gnome... yeah try getting help there (i have never been successful)
[15:17] <leftyfb> trijntje__: that's what backups are for
[15:18] <dreamcat4> and last time there was just loads of spam in their channel
[15:18] <TJ-> trijntje__: right "purge" will remove any /etc/*.conf files you might have edited, and reinstall the originals
[15:18] <TJ-> trijntje__: ... when you reinstall the package (if conf files exist install/reinstall won't overwrite them, which is what happened to you
[15:18] <TJ-> bn_work: maybe it was a lot different on 14.04, try "dpkg -L iptables-persistent" to see its list of giles
[15:19] <TJ-> bn_work: also try "dpkg -l netfilter* | grep ^ii" to see if 14.04 has a netfilter-persistent package
[15:19] <TJ-> !info netfilter-persistent trusty
[15:19] <TJ-> !info iptables-persistent
[15:19] <TJ-> !info iptables-persistent trusty
[15:20] <TJ-> bn_work: that looks like iptables-persistent transitioned to become a plugin of netfilter-persistent after 14.04
[15:20] <TJ-> !info netfilter-persistent xenial
[15:20] <TJ-> bn_work: there you go, changed before/for 16.04
[15:24] <worstje> tarzeau__: Thanks for your help, everything worked out completely. :-)
[15:29] <p2b> good afternoon gentlemen
[15:32] <ka1han> good afternoon
[15:32] <p2b> whats up
[15:36] <kyle__> WTF is up with all the spam messages?
[15:37] <donofrio> kyle__, freenode bot storm just +r your nick and wait a few more weeks
[15:37] <donofrio> kyle__, #freenode for this talk
[15:37] <kyle__> OK.  Thanks
[15:40] <berFt23> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[15:48] <krushia5> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[16:01] <bn_work> is the above a legit link?  or more anti-freenode bot spam?
[16:03] <capella> same msg two diff nicks go figure
[16:03] <Cheez> the link is real, the spin on it is made up out of whole cloth afaik
[16:07] <hggdh> bn_work:, capella, Cheez: just spam, please ignore
[16:09] <bn_work> Cheez: yeah, link seems legit
[16:09] <bn_work> Cheez: "whole cloth"?
[16:10] <homsch> exit
[16:10] <homsch> exit
[16:11] <Cheez> bn_work: https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/out+of+whole+cloth
[16:12] <bn_work> Cheez:  are you saying you think the attacks are fake?
[16:12] <yeats> bn_work: yes - attacks are bogus (blog post explains)
[16:13] <bn_work> yeats: uh... not sure where you're getting that, I've seen countless examples of it over the last several months?
[16:13] <Cheez> no, but this is OT for this channel, i thought i was in the -offtopic channel
[16:15] <bn_work> feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic Cheez, yeats
[16:15] <tinch00> hello all, I have a quick question or two regarding installation of ubuntu on an imac
[16:16] <vlouvet> tinch00, shoot
[16:16] <bn_work> is anyone using firewalld on ubuntu?  will it work?
[16:16] <tinch00> when running off a live USB, all works well apart from the graphics card. the screen colours are inaccurate and the screen is repeated four times
[16:17] <tinch00> I think that if I install it, I´ll be able to squint and disable the graphics card etc and hopefully fix it
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> bn_work: Most use ufw as it comes installed (but disabled) by default (at least for home users) You might need to uninstall ufw to install firewalld to prevent conflict
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> tinch00: what model mac are you working with?
[16:18] <tinch00> Q: will using the graphics card like this when it is obviously not having a good time possibly result in hardware damage?
[16:18] <TJ-> tinch00: if you can get it to install openssh-server and it brings the network up automatically, you should be able to SSH into it
[16:19] <tinch00> imac 10.1, intel core 2 duo, radeon HD 4670
[16:19] <tinch00> using SSH is a good idea, I will do that as well.
[16:21] <tinch00> The reason why I ask is because I rebooted after realising it had the strange 4 window glitch. Then a light coloured line across the middle persisted for about 30s upon rebooting into mac os. This line then disappeared but I am afraid of hardware damage.
[16:24] <vlouvet> tinch00, there is little risk of hardware damage, the artifacts you are seeing are probably the result of missing firmware or drivers
[16:24] <vlouvet> tinch00, I think the very very small resolution you are seeing is also caused by missing drivers, or perhaps a hidpi setting enabled by default
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> tinch00: which version of ubuntu was on the live disk?
[16:25] <TJ-> tinch00: if that continued with MacOS running, that suggests a hardware issue, possibly due to misconfiguration of the GPU
[16:25] <tinch00> I have tried with Ubuntu mate and xubuntu, both 18.04.1
[16:26] <pragmaticenigma> I'd be concerned with the persistance of that line post reboot personally.
[16:26] <tinch00> the only other person I found with such an issue is here https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2370013
[16:27] <tinch00> Yes I was a little concerned myself. it was a lighter line, screen burn in style rather than stuck pixels
[16:27] <tinch00> but it then disappeared, so..?
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> tinch00: were you using something like boot camp to load Ubuntu?
[16:29] <tinch00> I had a fresh liveUSB, restarted the imac, held down the alt key to select where to boot from, the liveUSB appeared, I selected it. I didn´t use boot camp
[16:32] <vlouvet> tinch00, i suggest reading through these recommendations... perhaps try the 'alternate CD' https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Intel_iMac
[16:32] <vlouvet> tinch00, I would be interested to know if you are using the proprietary or open source ATI drivers, perhaps switching between the two will fix the issue
[16:32] <qwebirc84945> Hi folks.  I'm not a TOTAL linux noob but I drift in and out of the community every couple of years.... so don't use a baseball bat please.
[16:33]  * vlouvet finds a cricket mallet...
[16:33] <qwebirc84945> I downloaded 18.04 from the Ubuntu site.  And the dumb question of the year is...
[16:33] <qwebirc84945> Which desktop does this thing use.  So I don't download the wrong stuff for it.  lol.
[16:33] <qwebirc84945> Unity?
[16:33] <vlouvet> Ubuntu 18.04 uses GnomeShell by default, which is based on GTK 3
[16:34] <thePiGrepper> gnome
[16:34] <qwebirc84945> The answer I was looking for.  Thank you kindly sir/maam.
[16:35] <vlouvet> qwebirc84945, you can't really install the "wrong" stuff.... your system will just get bloated with a bunch of QT libraries if they are needed. For example, I use Mate desktop, but install cutecom which requires QT libraries
[16:35] <qwebirc84945> I love how stable 18.04 is.  I screwed around with another distro I shall not name for a couple of days and let's just say my machine wasn't minty fresh when I wiped it and installed Ubuntu.  Pun intended.  lol.
[16:37] <vavkamil> I'm going for sudo do-release-upgrade, wish me luck :)
[16:37] <vlouvet> qwebirc84945, oh I hear ya! for stress testing I played 2 streams (4k 60fps) on a i7 laptop until the CPU got to 102* Celsius, and Ubuntu 18.04 didn't melt down. and it warmed up my bedroom
[16:37] <qwebirc84945> lol
[16:37] <qwebirc84945> Thank you for your hospitality, vlouvet.  I shall undoubtedly return -- in a real client with an actual nickname.  I just followed a web trail here today.
[16:39] <tinch00> vlouvet: thanks, I will read that page now. I will have another attempt at installation in a few hours (I am backing up the imac currently). I will try and see which drivers it uses by default. Thanks for your help! If you are still around in a few hours I will let you know. Thanks again!!
[16:39] <vlouvet> =) glad to help
[16:41] <someone_> Hi, What is the diffreance between xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 and X.Org X server and Why I can't install them togather ?
[16:42] <someone_> Why I have to remove X.Org X server to install xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 packages ?
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> someone_: As you have been told before, we can't support your system anymore. You have mixed compiled applications, with 3rd party ppa's, with default ubuntu supplied packages. There is no way for anyone here to know how to answer your questions or provide you further with support of your machine.
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> join #kubuntu
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> oops
[16:51] <eelstrebor> i'm trying to upgrade from 16.04.4 to 18.04.1 using do-dist-upgrade but i get a message that there isn't a newer distribution
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor: The LTS-to-LTS upgrade hasn't been released yet.
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor: one option is to set your machine to normal releases which will trigger the upgrade. Though you will want to switch it back when you're finished updating
[16:56] <eelstrebor> pragmaticenigma, ok. or i could just do a fresh install from a dvd for 18.04.1
[16:56] <__idiot__> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[16:56] <eelstrebor> pragmaticenigma, i did have 17.x on one box and the do-dist-upgrade worked on it
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor: most people are having success with switching update channels to normal and proceeding forward.
[16:58] <pragmaticenigma> the LTS versus Normal is just a flag. It doesn't change the applications you receive. The LTS-to-LTS being held back is because of enterprise usage
[17:03] <mar24n> hi, i need help with my ubuntu server, something is eating my memory RAM
[17:03] <mar24n> any one can help?
[17:04] <TJ-> !ram | mar24n
[17:05] <mar24n> ubottu thx , will have look
[17:06] <mar24n> cool
[17:08] <mar24n> unfortunnatly the website was not helpfull
[17:09] <pragmaticenigma> mar24n: what makes you suspect that you memory is being used up?
[17:09] <nxxs> j #ubuntu-de
[17:10] <innocenat> Hello. I am running Ubuntu 16.04 w/ Unity and today just encountered a very specific problem. Sometimes, even though the cursor move when I move my mouse (both touchpad and USB mouse), but the click/scroll/hot corner does not works. It comes and gone, and I can't seem to figure out why.
[17:11] <noobet> guys, i've installed ubuntu-mate, but i would like to use default ubuntu-gnome3, how to do it? reinstall everything from scratch or remove mate? and i how to install everything needed for ubuntu-gnome? also is possible to have both of them installed in same time with out conflicts?
[17:11] <pragmaticenigma> noobet: You can install the gnome desktop by installing the meta package. Both desktop environments will be instaled (unless you choose to remove one) but you will be able to select which one you prefer at login
[17:12] <noobet> how to install full ubuntu desktop?
[17:13] <noobet> "sudo apt install gnome"?
[17:13] <mar24n> pragmaticenigma `Mem:            62G         61G        485M        454M        1.0G        273M`
[17:15] <pragmaticenigma> mar24n: without the full context of that, i have no idea what that represents. Could you please paste the full output to paste.ubuntu.com
[17:15] <pragmaticenigma> noobet: not quite
[17:15] <mar24n> pragmaticenigma               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[17:15] <mar24n> Mem:            62G         61G        485M        454M        1.0G        273M
[17:15] <mar24n> Swap:          9.3G        8.4G        978M
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> !paste | mar24n
[17:18] <mar24n> sorry
[17:18] <mar24n> pragmaticenigma https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/44TxvQk4Xt/
[17:18] <TJ-> mar24n: this will report the processes in the order most used memory first: "ps --sort -rss -efly | head"
[17:19] <noobet> found it, thanks guys
[17:23] <mar24n> pragmaticenigma https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zv8Fp6YYF6/
[17:25] <pragmaticenigma> mar24n: are you intentionally running bit-coin mining?
[17:25] <TJ-> mar24n: how many "Satoshid" processes are there?
[17:26] <mar24n> pragmaticenigma that is not bitcoin mining , this are masternodes
[17:27] <mar24n> TJ- 250
[17:27] <TJ-> mar24n: "pgrep Satoshid | wc -l"
[17:27] <TJ-> mar24n: OK, so 250 x 350MB each resident in RAM
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> mar24n: coincidentally, satoshi is the pseudonym used by the "creator" of bitcoin
[17:27] <dami0> hi, i'm trying to respin an iso. i have changed /boot/grub/grub.cfg, i have changed /isolinux/gfxboot.cfg but i cannot figure out how to change the default command line for the boot option, does anyone know how to do that?
[17:28] <mar24n> pragmaticenigma i know , butis masternode coin "satoshi coin
[17:30] <mar24n> TJ- is bigger swap will help ?
[17:34] <Shmam> My ubuntu server was working fine over ethernet last night but this morning, I unplugged it and rebooted then realized that I had unplugged it so I plugged it back in and rebooted but its no longer connecting to the internet
[17:34] <Shmam> sorry if thats poorly explained. tldr: was working fine, unplugged eth & rebooted, then plugged eth and rebooted, no internet
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam: is the cable firmly inserted all the way into the port?
[17:36] <Shmam> Yeah and the green led is on but not the orange one
[17:37] <Shmam> so its connected but something in software is borked up
[17:38] <TJ-> mar24n: help in what way, it'll make things slower. I'd reduce the number of processes dramatically
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam: what version of ubuntu?
[17:38] <Shmam> 18.04.1 server
[17:40] <TJ-> Shmam: does the server have multiple ethernet ports?
[17:40] <Shmam> nope, just one
[17:41] <TJ-> Shmam: does it also run Windows?
[17:41] <Shmam> it did at one point but the only disk installed has ubuntu on it
[17:41] <TJ-> Shmam: OK, I'm just narrowing down possible causes
[17:42] <TJ-> Shmam: there's a known issue with some Intel ethernet devices where Windows puts them into a power-saving mode that breaks it if warm rebooting into  Linux. link is there but the RX side 'sleeps'  so it can send but not receive packets!
[17:43] <TJ-> Shmam: for the interface, see what "sudo ethtool <iface>" reports?
[17:43] <Shmam> I didn't run windows in between it working and failing though so I think that's unlikely to be the issue
[17:43] <TJ-> Shmam: right, this is a process of elimination
[17:43] <TJ-> Shmam: right now we have zero data
[17:44] <jteeed> Hi
[17:44] <Shmam> yep, just trying to provide info :)
[17:44] <jteeed> How can I sart a terminal session under ubuntu 18.04 ?
[17:44] <ioria> Shmam, the module is loaded ? lspci -k | grep -i ethe -A 3
[17:45] <Shmam> so ifconfig only shows one interface ("lo") and `sudo ethtool lo` returns "link detected: yes"
[17:45] <fyf> ctrl+Alt+t
[17:46] <SimonNL> jteeed: ^ that was for you I think
[17:46] <Shmam> ioria: yeah that returns my ethernet controller info
[17:47] <ioria> Shmam, can you post it  ?
[17:47] <jteeed> I mean, a terminal session; because of a bug in the awesomewm package, I can't choose awesome wm at the login screen. The guy who help me about my awesomewm config told me in the meantime open a terminal session and launch awesomewm from there.
[17:48] <jteeed> I launched awesomewm from a terminal in normal ubuntu session but this is not COMPLETELY awesomewm. So I'm not exactly sure what he meant by that.
[17:49] <jteeed> Maybe this is what he meant by "terminal session", I looked on the web and I didn't anything about opening a "terminal session".
[17:51] <Shmam> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QK3SZz6gKM/
[17:52] <ioria> Shmam, modinfo  r8169
[17:59] <Shmam> this is such a struggle lol
[18:04] <TJ-> Shmam: can you grab the /var/log/kern.log and pastebin it? Or do "dmesg > /tmp/dmesg.log" and pastebin that /tmp/dmesg.log (which will likely be much smaller than kern.log)
[18:06] <Lund> no wifi is showing during installation of server 18.04.1
[18:06] <Shmam> TJ-: I really cant pastebin anything atm. Its giving me perm issues when trying to copy to a flash drive
[18:08] <dylan_> hello?
[18:09] <Shmam> ioria: modinfo https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Np2ybm6bRP/
[18:09] <Lund> no wifi is showing during installation of server 18.04.1
[18:12] <TJ-> Shmam: even using "sudo" ?
[18:12] <Shmam> I just got usb working gimme a sec to get the kernel logs
[18:12] <TJ-> Shmam: OK :)
[18:12] <max_df3> Is it possible to remove (or hide) proprietary snap packages from gnome software?
[18:14] <Shmam> TJ-: Kernlogs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5pmJMYCbxs/
[18:15] <Lund> @TJ no wifi is showing during installation of server 18.04.1
[18:15] <TJ-> Shmam: r8169 0000:04:00.0 enp4s0: renamed from eth0
[18:16] <TJ-> Shmam: does "ip link show enp4s0" report info ?
[18:16] <TJ-> Shmam: [   37.791928] r8169 0000:04:00.0 enp4s0: link up
[18:17] <Shmam> TJ-: enp4s0 is unknown
[18:17] <Hijiri> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[18:17] <Hijiri> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[18:17] <Hijiri> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[18:18] <TJ-> Shmam: and those are for all the GOOD boots, then the last boot doesn't bring the link up, so either you've a cable fault, or the switch/router port is a problem
[18:18] <TJ-> Shmam: aha! it's moved to r8169 0000:06:00.0 enp6s0: renamed from eth0
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> max_df3: think its more easy managing snaps from the terminal way
[18:19] <TJ-> Shmam: good job I re-read that. enp6s0 -- did you move the network card, or add in another PCI(e) device ?
[18:19] <Shmam> TJ-: I did add in a few more GPUs
[18:19] <TJ-> Shmam: because the hardware 'slot' it appears at has changed, so it's name  changed! So much for predictable interface naming!
[18:19] <TJ-> Shmam: that's do it!
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> max_df3: alot of nice commands for snap at man snap
[18:20] <TJ-> Shmam: alter your network config to use enp6s0 and you'll be fixed
[18:20] <TJ-> Shmam: are you using netplan to configure the interfaces?
[18:20] <Shmam> I didn't really do any configuration, it originally just worked out of the box
[18:21] <TJ-> Shmam: which Ubuntu release is this? 18.04 ?
[18:21] <Shmam> 18.04.1 server
[18:21] <TJ-> Shmam: OK, so it'll be using netplan to generate a systemd-networkd config
[18:21] <bieb> I installed 18.04 onto a lenovo 710s desktop. uefi is running on the machine.. should I disable uefi? pros/cons?
[18:22] <TJ-> Shmam: check in /etc/netplan/ for any config file
[18:22] <max_df3> lotuspsychje, I hardly use any snaps, and certainly not the proprietary ones -- don't fancy turning my PC into someones bitcoin miner! I like to explore software on gnome software because I like the screenshots and reviews, but there are so many Ubuntu loves shoving the prop ones down your throat
[18:23] <Shmam> TJ-: inly a "50-cloud-init.yaml" in there
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> max_df3: so you only want official repo packages, is that it?
[18:23] <TJ-> Shmam: that might be it, does it have any mention of interface names in it?
[18:24] <jmgb4> Oh man I broke something... https://nopaste.xyz/?b7216d8605005292#nHgSw7L5hBDaHYzc6LxHs5BWg4mGPPdECxoG6xXHPeI=
[18:25] <Shmam> TJ-: yeah but it says that its generated from the datasource and wont persist
[18:25] <max_df3> lotuspsychje, ideally I would like only free software snap packages available; pretty sure Ubuntu uses snap for some gnome stuff so I wouldn't want to disable snap completely.
[18:26] <TJ-> Shmam: I can't find any package that contain 50-cloud-init.yaml, did you type the name correctly?
[18:26] <Shmam> yeah thats it
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> max_df3: gnome software is for every user not minding, more expert users could use apt-cache search and snap find from the terminal, see more specs on what you need?
[18:27] <TJ-> Shmam: OK, I see it comes from the Cloud Image installer
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: can you explain what you did before this? have you added external ppa's to your system?
[18:28] <TJ-> Shmam: does it actually mention enp4s0 (the old name) ?
[18:28] <Shmam> TJ-: yeah under ethernets
[18:28] <noobybooby> KDE connect, when connected to my Android device, shows the same notification four times, when I get a message on my Android device
[18:28] <noobybooby> Should I report this bug via Ubuntu, or KDE bugtracker?
[18:29] <TJ-> Shmam: right, let's just change that then! "sudo sed -i 's/enp4s0/enp6s0/g' /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml"
[18:29] <Shmam> noobybooby: yeah thats a KDE bug, report via KDE bugtracker
[18:30] <Shmam> TJ-: ok now reboot?
[18:30] <TJ-> Shmam: after that try creating the interface with "sudo /lib/netplan/generate && sudo systemctl restart systemd-networkd"
[18:31] <TJ-> Shmam: This is Linux - shold never need to reboot except for kernel/glibc upgrades :)
[18:31] <TJ-> Shmam: if those commands report errors tell me what they are
[18:31] <Shmam> TJ-: we are working now
[18:31] <Shmam> woot
[18:32] <Shmam> TJ-: do you mind giving a quick explanation of what happened so that I can fix this or avoid it in the future?
[18:32] <TJ-> Shmam: Get yourself a cup of tea then...!
[18:32] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, Yeah, I need to get plaso, the one in the ubuntu ppa is old, very very very old
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: we cant support external ppa's here sorry mate
[18:33] <max_df3> lotuspsychje, :( gnome software in general hates settings and choice because 'preferences have a cost' -- feels like playing the piano with mittens on XD Thanks for your help
[18:33] <TJ-> Shmam: The kernel names network interfaces as it discovers them, so in the past on multi-NIC servers, eth0 on one boot might be eth2 on the next
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: try to revert your system first to vanilla ubuntu/sources.list to get out of your apt scramble
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | jmgb4
[18:34] <TJ-> Shmam: so the idea of "predictable network naming" came about, and this is done by systemd/udevd
[18:34] <SimonNL> TJ-: Shmam https://blog.learningtree.com/new-names-linux-network-interfaces/     does this help any
[18:34] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, So how can I get ubuntu to update a old-as-dirt package?
[18:34] <TJ-> Shmam: now, names are based on the physical location of the NIC in the PCI bus
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> max_df3: the way i see it, i only install packages with apt...if you really need something specific/latest search specific on snap?
[18:35] <TJ-> Shmam: you changed the PCI device layout by adding GPUs, so the predictable name... changed to match, but the system config files were hard coded
[18:35] <Shmam> TJ-: oh and since I added more devices to the PCI bus, it got shifted around
[18:35]  * TJ- nods
[18:35] <TJ-> Shmam: in the old days that wouldn't have affected you it'd still have been eth0 since there is only 1 NIC
[18:35] <TJ-> Shmam: that's progress for you :)
[18:36] <de-facto> good old days ;)
[18:36] <Shmam> so I plan to add more PCI devices so I will need to do this again. How did you find the new PCI location?
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: why take a risk, to keep old packages in your system?
[18:36] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, Why take a risk for what...?
[18:36] <TJ-> Shmam: this is the document that defines it https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: to keep using your 'old' packages
[18:37] <matlock> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[18:37] <TJ-> Shmam: it was in the kernel log - it contained multiple boot sessions so I went to the end then searched backward for "r8169" until I found the line
[18:37] <TJ-> Shmam: r8169 0000:06:00.0 enp6s0: renamed from eth0
[18:37] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, Because its obsolete and doesnt support what I need it to?
[18:38] <TJ-> Shmam: if you'd given me dmesg log instead that is only for this boot so I may not have relaised it changed from enp4s0 to enp6s0
[18:39] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, Thats like saying why not stick with unix before it was ported over to C, it worked. No?
[18:39] <Shmam> TJ-: oh, so I can just update this again when I install the rest of the GPUs and should be good to go :) Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it!!
[18:39] <SimonNL> dmesg | egrep --color -C 2 'eth[0-9]|e[nm][0-9]|p[0-9][ps][0-9]|wlan|wl[0-9]|wlp[0-9]'       TJ- Shmam  from the link I posted ^^
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: i think we cross each other here...whaqts the package you need exactly?
[18:40] <jmgb4> plaso
[18:40] <TJ-> Shmam: correct, if it changes it. You could be really clever and have a script that checks dmesg log against the netplan file :p
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: so, sudo apt install plaso?
[18:41] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, Look at what version that pulls
[18:41] <Shmam> TJ-: oh and that sed command should look like this next time right? "sudo sed -i 's/enp6s0/enp(X)s0/g' /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml"
[18:41] <TJ-> Shmam: you've got it :)
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: 1.5.1 and?
[18:41] <username6697> Hello. I am making a Hacker Forums tutorial about IRC :)
[18:42] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, Look at what features it does not have vs one that is considered "stable" and "current"
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> !latest | jmgb4
[18:42] <wendico> hello, is it possible to install Snort on Ubuntu server and use it as my main in-line firewall? I want to install a dedicated firewall but i only have experience with windows
[18:42] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, It is stable. You asked why I dont install from apt, apt has a version that is going on 3 years old now and is past eol
[18:43] <TJ-> wendico: Linux has a firewall built-in to the kernel; all the 'firewalls' are management tools for that (e.g. UFW, firewalld, snort )
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: if you find a security hole in a package, please report it
[18:44] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, You really like beating around the bush here dont you.
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: no, we advice you to use package versions for your specific ubuntu version
[18:44] <wendico> so to start learning, i can install a ubuntu server, manage to set it up as "router" with 2 network interfaces and then i could use integrated firewall rules on ubuntu server without need of snort ? is that what you mean?
[18:44] <jmgb4> And its br0ked as is.
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: you came here with a scrambled apt right?
[18:45] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, Sure if you want to play that card.
[18:45] <TJ-> wendico: if you're setting it up as a router you might find the shorewall project very useful to you
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: im not playing anything, im looking at your facts
[18:45] <TJ-> !info shorewall | wendico
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: to help you please revert your ppa's back to original sources.list
[18:46] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, You asked why I dont "apt install plaso", I answered.
[18:46] <wendico> TJ-: thank you very much, i go on installing my first ubuntu server! wish me luck! awesome team here! i love your help!
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: if you want other plaso versions, perhaps take a look on !backports proposed or snaps?
[18:47] <high_fiver> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[18:47] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, Which versions would those be? Just looking to run a "stable" version ;)
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> !backports | jmgb4
[18:48] <jmgb4> I am well aware of what they are lotuspsychje
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | N1TR0_73
[18:48] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, So you are advising I install an older version?
[18:48] <amosbird> is it possible to inject these four symbol definitions into a libc.so.6 so that it could be loaded via an old ld-linux? https://la.wentropy.com/8uis
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: an older then wich? latest from a ppa?
[18:49] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, correct.
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: then yes, an older then latest more stable package, 'meant' specific for you ubuntu version so your system wont scramble
[18:50] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, and we circle back yet again.
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: its your system mate, i cant hold you from doing what you want to do..
[18:51] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, No but you can sure talk in circles.
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: i just wanna help you to a clean working system again
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> amosbird: can you explain your endgoal/whole story to the channel, ubuntu version?
[18:55] <jmgb4> lotuspsychje, Sure you do. Should I install the 2.x kernel while I am at it?
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> jmgb4: be civil please, everyone here is volunteering their time and effort. If you're not interested in the help being offered, you can politely state so.
[18:58] <TJ-> jmgb4: plaso is imported from Debian at the beginning of the release cycle, so as Debian maintainer hadn't kept up with upstream nor does Ubuntu
[18:58] <jmgb4> pragmaticenigma, Hey just going off of what was suggested. A old package doesnt work so lets install an even older one. Thats the attitude in here, right?
[18:59] <TJ-> jmgb4: see https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/plaso
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> jmgb4: perhaps this git of plaso can be more of help? https://github.com/log2timeline/plaso
[18:59] <JimBuntu> jmgb4, The age of the package is not in-itself the reason for it not working. Bugs can be introduced, in which case using an older package prior to the bug can resolve the issue... just an example, and no, that's not generally the "attitude" in here unless you mean troubleshooting
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> jmgb4: No, there is no attitude... this channel is intended to support the packages that are provided through the official ubuntu channels. When users step out of those channels, they do so at their own risk as 3rd parties may attempt (intentionally or unintentionally) to add packages that break existing ones relied on by other applications.
[19:00] <jmgb4> JimBuntu, Yeah I follow. The age of the package isnt the reason I want to update it, or go to a stable release. New features were improved, bugs were squashed, performance increased... .etc
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> jmgb4: You are welcome to install any version you like. What limits support is the documentation. There is documentation for all packages and applications that come through the ubuntu channels. When you install outside of that channel, it is the resposbility of that provider to assit
[19:02] <jmgb4> pragmaticenigma, Finally somebody admits it.  All I was looking for
[19:02] <bn_work> hi, for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, is `update-rc.d` the official way to enable/disable services to start on boot?
[19:16] <JesseOor> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[19:16] <davidlopez> Hello. Im a windows tech and can install domains, mail server, etc on the windows systems. i want to learn linux and i practised ubuntu as user for 1 year now. my question is, can i install ubuntu server with a graphical desktop to configure things like a domain, dns server, dhcp server, connect my server inline and use it as proxy and firewall etc.... or all this configurations i must learn to do by linux commands. I want to have my first linux server. h
[19:16] <gdibass> yes
[19:16] <gdibass> Ubuntu has a desktop version
[19:16] <gdibass> which is basically the same as server
[19:16] <JimBuntu> davidlopez, You can install Ubuntu Server or normal Desktop for this.
[19:17] <gdibass> it just has a gnome GUI
[19:17] <gdibass> I have it on my desktop
[19:17] <gdibass> it's quite nice
[19:17] <JimBuntu> davidlopez, You probably want to talk over in #ubuntu-server
[19:17] <Apachez> where does ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS store the dns servers to be used when dhcpclient is being used? /etc/resolv.conf points to 127.0.0.53 and /etc/systemd/resolved.conf has all lines commented out...
[19:17] <davidlopez> so even ubuntu client with 2 networks interfaces could filter my trafic, add dns, dhc and all that? wow
[19:18] <davidlopez> i head up to ubuntu-server, thanks for the quick replay
[19:18] <gdibass> Apachez:  It uses some service that I'm forgetting the name of now
[19:19] <JimBuntu> davidlopez, yes, You can do all of that on a single machine... quite easily ( and for free )
[19:19] <gdibass> I had some weird issue with DNS after disconnecting from a VPN
[19:19] <gdibass> stemming from that
[19:20] <Griznah> !ltsrelease grabowji
[19:20] <Apachez> gdibass: yes systemd-resolved
[19:20] <Apachez> however somewhere is the dnsserver being stored
[19:20] <Apachez> obviously it isnt in /etc/resolv.conf
[19:21] <Apachez> and since /etc/systemd/resolved.conf is commented out (all lines) so obviously not there either
[19:21] <Apachez> I can see the dns server in the gui through network-manager but where does network-manager store whats typed into the gui?
[19:21] <Griznah> !ltsupgrade Griznah
[19:21] <Apachez> systemd seems to have broken everything in ubuntu :(
[19:21] <leftyfb> Apachez: is this a desktop or server?
[19:21] <gdibass> lol
[19:21] <Griznah> !ltsupgrade | Griznah
[19:22] <Apachez> leftyfb: im searching on a desktop but the question is valid for both
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> Griznah: can we help you?
[19:22] <pragmaticenigma> gdibass: ... DNS resolving in desktop uses dnsmasq I believe
[19:22] <Apachez> pragmaticenigma: yes but where do you change which external server to use?
[19:22] <Griznah> lotuspsychje: trying to find out more about the ltsupgrade, if it's happening soon or not :)
[19:22] <Apachez> the file /etc/resolv.conf only points to 127.0.0.53
[19:22] <Griznah> had some issues using the command correctly
[19:22] <Apachez> but network-manager says 1.1.1.1 and 8.8.8.8
[19:23] <leftyfb> Apachez: It is not valid for both. The Desktop uses Network Manager to manage your network configs including DNS. If you need to change it, you do it through the GUI or you use the nm-cli tool. You do not edit config files on the Desktop.
[19:23] <Apachez> so which file contains that info?
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> Griznah: devs still working on it
[19:23] <Apachez> in case I want to change it without a gui
[19:23] <netmaniack> Hi. I'm building My first home server for myself and a few friends and I will be using Ubuntu Server 18.04.1 as base. I'm trying to setup nextcloud manually as I will be using server for homepages also and I have problems whit php modules. When I trie to install required modules I got https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pPR8FztBJP/ . What to do? I have tried Google but whit no luck.
[19:23] <Griznah> lotuspsychje: thanks
[19:23] <leftyfb> Apachez: like I said, you use nm-cli
[19:23] <gdibass> Yeah I was talking about systemd-resolv
[19:23] <gdibass> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6076
[19:23] <Apachez> leftyfb: but the settings are sticky, where does network-manager store this?
[19:23] <gdibass> That's the bug I have currently
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> Griznah: keep your system upt to date ok
[19:23] <gdibass> easy enough to deal with, but somewhat annoying
[19:24] <Xenogenesis6> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[19:24] <leftyfb> Apachez: in 16.04, it's /etc/NetworkManager, where you're not supposed to edit he files directly.
[19:24] <Griznah> lotuspsychje: oh, I am. I'm just keen on 18.04, 2.5 years without release-upgrade is making the me itch :P
[19:25] <Griznah> *making me
[19:25] <leftyfb> Apachez: if you're using 18.04, you probably want to look at the netplan configs. http://netplan.io
[19:26] <Apachez> leftyfb: the dir /etc/netplan is empty on this 18.04.1 LTS
[19:26] <ioria> Apachez, you probably upgraded from 16.04
[19:26] <Apachez> well from 17.10 but sure
[19:27] <Apachez> and that was upgraded from 17.04 and so forth
[19:27] <leftyfb> Apachez: Then you use nm-cli to manage
[19:27] <Apachez> tnx nmcli seems to be correct syntax and not nm-cli
[19:27] <leftyfb> Apachez: you DO NOT edit Network Manager files directly
[19:27] <leftyfb> sorry, yeah, my bad
[19:28] <Apachez> yeah tnx
[19:28] <ioria> Apachez, (puzzled) if you upgraded from 17.10 you should have config files in that dir
[19:29] <ioria> Apachez, 17.04, right
[19:30] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KhTR7qR7hXrADMd77IHrfb_9T0J5QMwk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_r2HsG3FCYfmX1gX5ERVqnTmdPLqML1g/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qShzbiep04SxOLl9IYy4H3QRWq48_yMt/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tR1NIamYys-2coaDFYSqdiGnBMgULy92/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1t5dzD39pBvDxmefm6A-dQpEj8EvEnpBB/view?usp=sharing
[19:30] <jk^> may someone help me? pc doesn't start
[19:31] <leftyfb> jk^: you have a bad hard drive. Go buy another one, reinstall ubuntu and restore from your backups
[19:31] <TJ-> Apachez: you might find "nmtui" more useful for editing Network Manager connections from the command line
[19:32] <eelstrebor> this is kinda weird, i can install keepassxc on one box running ubuntu 18.04.1 but not on another box because od dependcy issues - it complains about libjson-c2 which isn't in the repository - i did install libjson-c3 but still get a dependency error
[19:32] <Ntemis> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[19:32] <Ntemis> any help?
[19:32] <Ntemis> xenial -> bionic
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> Ntemis: did you get the upgrade window?
[19:33] <Ntemis> nope used the -d
[19:33] <vingthor321> I have a Thinkpad T420 running Ubuntu 18.04 (4.17.12-041712) and the Trackpoint (little red dot) and the 3 keys below it are not working. My girlfriend has a X220 also running 18.04. Her Trackpoint + Keys work, so I changed keyboards since they are compatible but my gf's Trackpoint+Keys do not work on my T420 either. I've already tried adding "psmouse.proto=imps" to Grub boot parameters which did not work. I have also tried
[19:33] <vingthor321> disabling the Trackpoint in the Bios which seemed to help with other models. Under all of these circumstances the Trackpoint is not visible after: xinput -list.
[19:34] <ioria> Ntemis, it will give you cosmic, idt is what you want
[19:34] <TJ-> vingthor321: are you sure it isn't a hardware connection problem?
[19:34] <Ntemis> cosmic?
[19:34] <Apachez> TJ-: tnx
[19:35] <ioria> Ntemis,  -d = development version = cosmic 18.10
[19:35] <Ntemis> no i want bionic
[19:35] <ioria> Ntemis,  don't use -d
[19:35] <vingthor321> Well it might be the connector on the motherboard since my gf's trackpoint did not work on my t420 either. But since it shares its connector with the rest of the keyboard, which is working fine, I doubt it
[19:36] <Ntemis> but the tar.gz is from bionic
[19:36] <Apachez> do there exist some ubuntu flavour without the systemd malware? Similar to Devuan who is a systemd free edition of Debian ?
[19:36] <TJ-> !info libjson-c2 bionic | eelstrebor
[19:36] <ioria> Ntemis,  uname -r
[19:36] <Ntemis> authenticate 'bionic.tar.gz' against 'bionic.tar.gz.gpg'
[19:36] <Ntemis> extracting 'bionic.tar.gz'
[19:36] <TJ-> !info libjson-c2
[19:36] <leftyfb> Apachez: systemd is not malware. Try to speak like an adult here please.
[19:36] <Ntemis> Linux demetris-mate 4.17.12-xanmod8 #2 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 3 14:42:34 -03 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:37] <TJ-> Hmmm, ubottu's package list is wrong
[19:37] <ioria> Ntemis,  4.17 ?
[19:37] <TJ-> !info json-c
[19:37] <Ntemis> yeap why not?
[19:37] <leftyfb> Apachez: and no, there's no Ubuntu flavors without systemd that are supported here
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> Apachez: All ubuntu flavors use systemd and there are no plans to change that. You will have to search on your own to find an Ubuntu derivatives that doesn't. do note, this channel cannot support ubuntu derivatives.
[19:37] <username6697> hello everybody. Thanks for helping out ubuntu users
[19:37] <jk^> no other solutions? few minutes ago i'm using regularly my operating system :|
[19:38] <Apachez> leftyfb: systemd behaves like a malware so grow up
[19:38] <ioria> Ntemis,  it's not a strock ubuntu kernel atm
[19:38] <leftyfb> jk^: to a bad hard drive? No. Go buy a new drive.
[19:38] <jk^> i was doing updates, but they blocked then i rebooted
[19:38] <jk^> TJ-: can u help me?
[19:38] <Apachez> pragmaticenigma: too bad :(
[19:38] <Ntemis> i can reboot to a stock kernel but i doubt thats the cause
[19:38] <leftyfb> jk^: because your drive is bad. Go buy a new one.
[19:38] <pragmaticenigma> jk^: Likely they blocked because the drive failed, jk^ there is no alternative when you post a log output like that... it means the drive is dead
[19:39] <TJ-> eelstrebor: OK, the reason is the 2nd PC was upgraded from 16.04 where libjson-c2 exists, so that was kept. The other PC was a clean 18.04 install, or never had that package installed
[19:40] <leftyfb> Apachez: modern critical components of an operating system are not malware. Lets try to act like adults and not make wild and completely false claims. For that, you #foxnews or something..
[19:40] <vingthor321> As the problem with my trackpoint seems to span over different Thinkpad models, I think it might be a good idea to report it as an official kernel bug. Whats the official/correct way to do this?
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> !bug | vingthor321
[19:43] <vingthor321> Thank you.
[19:43] <TJ-> vingthor321: you said that both  keyboard/trackpoints you tested had the same issue. Those devices are generally connected to the system via a matrix. It's possible that one or more of the ribbon cable connector pins isn't making a good contact. That'd explain why keys in the same area also don't function
[19:44] <TJ-> vingthor321: also possible is some stray conductive material shorting pins. Sometimes a good clean out with air compressor can do wonders
[19:44] <eelstrebor> !infor libjson-c3 bionic | eelstrebor
[19:45] <eelstrebor> !info libjson-c3 bionic | eelstrebor
[19:45] <vingthor321> Ok. I will try to check with a microscope. With bare eyes I wasnt able to see a broken connection. Maybe a clean with isoprop?
[19:45] <TJ-> eelstrebor: libjson-c2 was replaced by libjson-c3 - the SONAME changed due to an ABI change
[19:47] <TJ-> vingthor321: possibly :) I've seen dust hairs and humidity/liquid cause shorts with weird effects
[19:48] <jk^> lotuspsychje: do u have a solution?
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> jk^: leftyfb already told you what to do
[19:49] <eelstrebor> TJ-, apparently libjson-c3 is it's successor but i still can't install keepassxc because it complains that libjson-c3 insn't installed - i guess i'll have to try another fresh install on that box
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> jk^: we are volunteers, not magicians..if your hd is dying we cant solve this
[19:49] <pragmaticenigma> jk^: You need to accept the answer that was given. It is not possible to fix hardware failures through software.
[19:50] <jk^> i guess maybe it can be other solutions
[19:50] <jk^> lotuspsychje:
[19:50] <jk^> neither fsck can't be helpful?
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> jk^: No, the channel has come to the same concensus as leftyfb ... the drive is dead. It's time to visit the computer store and buy a new one.
[19:50] <TJ-> jk^: is the PC a laptop or a desktop? does it have a spinning disk or solid-state?
[19:51] <eelstrebor> another interesting thing about bionic, /etc/rc.local no longer exists
[19:52] <leftyfb> jk^: even if you were to run fsck or some other tool to mark bad sectors and fix up your filesystem, the drive is bad and the more you use it, the worse it will get. Go buy another one unless you're ok with have an infinite amount of possible issues and a 100% chance of data loss.
[19:52] <TJ-> eelstrebor: that belongs to sysvinit - we use systemd now
[19:53] <jk^> TJ-: i guess spinning
[19:54] <TJ-> jk^: As everyone else has said, 99% probability the disk has died. BUT, there is a slim chance the disk drive data cable, or connectors on each end, have been dislodged and aren't making full contact. In that case, unpluggging and reconnecting them firmly would solve it. If you try that and it doesn't help then the drive has failed
[19:55] <jk^> ok
[19:55] <jk^> thansk a lot all
[19:57] <TJ-> jk^: if you boot from a LiveISO and select "Try Ubuntu" then you could "sudo apt install smartmontools" and then "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda" to check the drive's health and error logs
[19:57] <TJ-> !info smartmontools
[19:58] <jk^> ok tj
[19:59] <leftyfb> TJ-: I'm pretty sure SMART won't detect a drive as failed because of a lose cable or something.
[19:59] <TJ-> leftyfb: no, it'll show the drive is knackered though!
[20:00] <leftyfb> TJ-: SMART won't complain, the BIOS will
[20:00] <TJ-> Here's a good one for you! I'm typing commands in the CLI of bionic server (bash). The last character of every word is being converted to uppeR casE likE thiS ! What the heck?
[20:01] <leftyfb> TJ-: something to do with the space's key assignment?
[20:01] <leftyfb> someone messing with you?
[20:01] <TJ-> I doubt it, it's a cloud-init deploy - was fine a couple hours ago :)
[20:02] <TJ-> and now it's fine again. weird
[20:02] <TJ-> I was typing "ip link show" and it was saying "Object linK is unknown" but I couln't see that it was upper-case K not lower-case k
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: p0wned :p
[20:03] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: it's only taken me a week to hack vagrant-{libvirt,mutate} to support ubuntu's vagrant virtualbox images, and now I get this :)
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: cant find any related bugs on upper case
[20:08] <philip___> hello can anybody help me with ubuntu server?
[20:09] <elisa87> How should I fix this?
[20:09] <elisa87> $ ./Setup.sh
[20:09] <elisa87> Registering git hooks... (this will override existing ones!)
[20:09] <elisa87> ./Setup.sh: line 40: ./Setup.sh: Permission denied
[20:09] <elisa87> and I have -rwxrwxr-x 1 mona mona 1345 Aug  6 14:42 Setup.sh
[20:10] <vingthor321> I have looked at the Trackpoint connection under a small microscope and all connections look finde, I've also cleaned everything with alcohol.
[20:10] <gigirock> elisa87: mona user and mona group i like
[20:11] <elisa87> gigirock: uid=1000(mona) gid=1000(mona) groups=1000(mona),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),113(lpadmin),124(pulse),125(pulse-access),128(sambashare)
[20:12] <philip___> is there any specific server channel?
[20:12] <philip___> or can anybody here help me?
[20:12] <gigirock> elisa87: seems group mona missed the 'w'
[20:12] <elisa87> gigirock: how should I fix this?
[20:13] <gigirock> elisa87: chmod 777 setup.sh
[20:13] <elisa87> gigirock:  this didn't help sudo chown -R mona:mona UE4_Base/
[20:14] <elisa87> did not work gigirock
[20:14] <elisa87> $ sudo ./Setup.sh
[20:14] <elisa87> Registering git hooks... (this will override existing ones!)
[20:14] <elisa87> ./Setup.sh: line 40: ./Setup.sh: Permission denied
[20:14] <elisa87> -rwxrwxrwx  1 mona mona 1345 Aug  6 14:42 Setup.sh
[20:14] <rfm> gigirock, it's not the permissions on the Setup.sh (it wouldn't get to 'line 40' if it were...)  I'd look at line 40 of the script  (or run the script with -x)
[20:14] <gigirock> elisa87: what's in line 40 ?
[20:14] <JimBuntu> philip___, #ubuntu-server
[20:14] <philip___> thanks
[20:14] <elisa87> gigirock:  ./Setup.sh "$@"
[20:15] <leftyfb> !paste | elisa87
[20:15] <leftyfb> elisa87: what exactly is this script supposed to do?
[20:16] <elisa87> install an older version of UE4 on Ubuntu leftyfb
[20:16] <leftyfb> what is UE4?
[20:16] <elisa87> Unreal Engine 4
[20:16] <gigirock> elisa87: are we on a 64 bit system ?
[20:17] <elisa87> yes
[20:19] <jk^> i run fsck -v /dev/sda1 it asks me many things, but there was just a choice (y)... i give "enter" for all of them, it finishes again with a prompt "initramfs", i reboot and now the operating system starts.... i don't know if it started with error, modifications, some kind of problem, but now it stars
[20:19] <leftyfb> jk^: DO NOT DO THAT
[20:20] <leftyfb> jk^: if you want any chance of recovering your data ever, stop what you're doing, power off that computer/drive completely and do not power it back on until you hae a new drive with ubuntu on it and you're ready to start trying to recover any files you don't already have backed up
[20:21] <jk^> leftyfb: what'
[20:21] <jk^> ?
[20:21] <sjohnson> hi.  is it possible to run ubuntu off a USB drive?  and by that i mean like, install it on itself.
[20:21] <sjohnson> instead of booting up every single time and clicking "Try it" or whatever.
[20:21] <leftyfb> jk^: what part of this isn't processing for you? You have a bad hard drive. Absolutely nothing you can do is going to change that. Go buy another hard drive.
[20:22] <sjohnson> e.g., if i have a 32gig USB drive.
[20:22] <sjohnson> or 8 gig, etc.
[20:22] <leftyfb> !persistent | sjohnson
[20:22] <TJ-> sjohnson: it's possible to create a LiveISO image with a persistent partition too
[20:22] <sjohnson> thanks
[20:22] <sjohnson> will have a read.
[20:22] <TJ-> sjohnson: it's possible, but more difficult, to install to the same device as the LiveISO is running from
[20:23] <leftyfb> TJ-: VERY difficult for someone asking how to do it
[20:23] <philip___> can here anybody help me with ubuntu server?
[20:23] <longofuzzi> hi, just a "legal question", if someone can answer. I am developing a game for console and I would like to insert the Ubunto desktop screen in place. Something like this one: https://fossbytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ubuntu-17.10-artful-aardvark-features.jpg
[20:24] <TJ-> leftyfb: actually not, it's a couple of commands to make it possible when the storage device is larger than the ISO image
[20:24] <tomreyn> sjohnson: keep in mind that usb keys use cheaper flash storage, which can handle much less write cycles than an SSD or hard disk, though.
[20:24] <sjohnson> ah yeah.
[20:24] <tomreyn> so better dont store important data there (only)
[20:24] <longofuzzi> I wanted to know if there is any copyright problem
[20:25] <leftyfb> longofuzzi: https://www.ubuntu.com/legal
[20:26] <TJ-> longofuzzi: I don't think that's a question we could answer, but if that image comes in an Ubuntu package, it will contain copyright info
[20:26] <gigirock> elisa87: at end of the day ue4 will use some windows libs ?
[20:27] <philip___> can anybody help me with ubuntu server
[20:27] <tomreyn> !ask | philip___
[20:27] <longofuzzi> ok I'll email to Canonical.
[20:27] <leftyfb> philip___: try #ubuntu-server
[20:28] <philip___> leftyfb: i tried but there's no one online
[20:28] <leftyfb> philip___: you didn't ask a question there
[20:28] <philip___> i did
[20:28] <philip___> i can do again
[20:28] <gigirock> yes please
[20:29] <philip___> did again
[20:29] <leftyfb> philip___: no, you didn't
[20:29] <tomreyn> #ubuntu-server is currently set to +z
[20:29] <leftyfb> oh, bah
[20:29] <gigirock> elisa87: can you pastebin the .sh file contents ?
[20:30] <philip___> leftyfb: sry dude but i really did
[20:30] <leftyfb> philip___: the channel is basically shut down at the moment, sorry
[20:30] <philip___> i asked if someone could help me with a connection problem
[20:30] <philip___> oh
[20:30] <leftyfb> philip___: please explain your problem here
[20:30] <Kartha> hi
[20:31] <gigirock> elisa87: can u try to run with the complete path like /home/whereis/setup.sh parameter ?
[20:31] <elisa87> fixed
[20:31] <Kartha> of the 1.5k people in this room, I'm guessing like 5 are online.
[20:31] <elisa87> it is a private file I cannot share
[20:31] <leftyfb> Kartha: what do you need help with?
[20:31] <elisa87> chmod -R +777 .
[20:31] <elisa87> fixed it
[20:32] <gigirock> elisa87: -R ?
[20:32] <elisa87> yes that is what fixed it
[20:32] <Kartha> I amm new to ubuntu. could you help me get started so I can do some online courses
[20:32] <philip___> leftyfb: i've set up a openssh and samba server and already connected it to windows but when i want to copy files to it it tells me i have no permission but i set in the /etc/samba/smb.conf that the folder can be accessed by everyone
[20:32] <leftyfb> philip___: check the permissions of the directory/drive itself
[20:33] <philip___> leftyfb: in windows or webmin?
[20:33] <leftyfb> Kartha: http://a.co/2KhAm19 this book helped get me started
[20:33] <Kartha> thank you
[20:33] <leftyfb> philip___: DO NOT use webmin.
[20:33] <gigirock> elisa87: is the .sh under your /home ?
[20:33] <leftyfb> philip___: on the command line, check the permissions of the directory/drive you are sharing
[20:33] <matelot> hi wtf is wrong with the MATE edition ? I first installed Lubuntu - NO wifi connection applet (!) - so I install MATE - still no Wifi applet...what give s?
[20:34] <philip___> i only got one logical drive(raid 5)
[20:34] <philip___> and i checked that in this config file
[20:34] <leftyfb> philip___: ok on the command line, check the permissions of the directory you are sharing
[20:34] <leftyfb> philip___: it's not a config
[20:34] <leftyfb> philip___: check the linux filesystem permissions
[20:34] <philip___> command?
[20:34] <gigirock> matelot: is the wifi device installed ?
[20:35] <leftyfb> philip___: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[20:35] <philip___> leftyfb: whats the command for that?
[20:35] <philip___> ph thamly
[20:35] <leftyfb> philip___: ls
[20:35] <matelot> gigirock yes, this is 2009 PC
[20:35] <philip___> oh thanks
[20:35] <gigirock> matelot: means you are using wifi now ?
[20:35] <tomreyn> !terminal | Kartha: if you prefer an autodidactic approach, get yourself familiarized with the terminal and bash
[20:35] <matelot> gigirock Dell one-in-all (like mac)
[20:35] <leftyfb> philip___: It sounds you like don't have a basic understanding of the linux filesystem so this is not going to be easy for you
[20:36] <matelot> gigirock installing on another PC not this one I'm tgyping
[20:37] <philip___> leftyfb: i'm learning by doing and thats the only thing where i have problems so i think its not that basd
[20:37] <philip___> *bad
[20:37] <gigirock> matelot: so if the system cannot 'see' for a wifi device it does'nt install wifi stuff
[20:38] <leftyfb> philip___: you need to delete webmin and never look back. That will 100% slow down your learning. It can also cause problems for you
[20:39] <hfp> How do I report an outdated package for it to be updated?
[20:39] <philip___> ok
[20:39] <matelot> gigirock really ? Ubuntu wont install wifi stuff if there's NO device ? what if one ADD wifi device AFTER install....
[20:39] <tomreyn> !latest | hfp
[20:40] <leftyfb> !bug | hfp
[20:40] <gigirock> matelot: ....the stuff will be installed
[20:41] <matelot> gigirock - how ?
[20:42] <cyborg_> p
[20:42] <gigirock> matelot: packages have dependencies.....
[20:43] <tomreyn> hfp: did this answer your question?
[20:47] <dlcastc> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[20:50] <janus1> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[20:53] <Kartha> ubottu: thanks a bunch
[20:53] <Kartha> botmaster u r smart :)
[20:54] <Apachez> leftyfb: its sad that you cant be a grown up and acknowledge that systemd behaves as a malware and frankly shouldnt be used in mission critical systems
[20:55] <leftyfb> Apachez: please go troll elsewhere
[20:55] <grumble213> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[20:55] <grumble213> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[20:55] <grumble213> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[20:55] <gigirock> Kartha: every time fix a target , so everyday you will learn a little, at the month end you learned a lot
[20:55] <Apachez> leftyfb: you dont have to answer when you have nothing to contribute with
[20:56] <leftyfb> Apachez: please go troll elsewhere
[20:56] <Apachez> leftyfb: you dont have to answer when you have nothing to contribute with
[21:01] <AvidWolf43> hi everyone
[21:03] <AvidWolf43> I am having an issue with ubuntu 18.04.1 and displaylink drivers, I was hoping someone could assist
[21:03] <AvidWolf43> Everything works fine connected to dell d6000 dock via usb-c thunderbolt and I can see my two monitors
[21:04] <AvidWolf43> every 30 min or so it seems to randomly drop the connection and force me to unplug and replug the cable
[21:04] <TJ-> AvidWolf43: any clues in dmesg/kern.log ?
[21:06] <Apachez> hmm apparmor in 18.04.1 doesnt seem to like snap.gnome-calculator.gnome-calculator
[21:06] <gigirock> AvidWolf43: if you are on a dell system please run dell update from windows, sometimes there are firmware upgrade for your system
[21:06] <Simonious> I am absolutely failing to get connected to wifi on a target with Ubuntu 18 - I can get it when I log into the GUI and set it up that way, but that doesn't help me. I need to be able to reboot the target and connect to it via wifi. I've tried everything I can think of and I'm pretty stuck.
[21:07] <TJ-> Simonious: the wifi requires a passphrase or key, yes? That's probably only available once you've logged in because it is likely stored in the user secrets database
[21:08] <Simonious> TJ-: I'm listening
[21:08] <Simonious> TJ-: it does require a key
[21:08] <Simonious> TJ-: just a momentarily complaint - setting up wifi used to be kindof easy and it worked /rant
[21:11] <TJ-> Simonious: in NM's connection editor for that connection, have you enabled the "Available to all users" option ?
[21:11] <Simonious> yes
[21:11] <AvidWolf43> gigirock: hp :(
[21:11] <AvidWolf43> but dell d6000 dock
[21:12] <AvidWolf43> TJ-: just this error '[  144.235328] i2c_hid i2c-ALP0016:00: i2c_hid_get_input: incomplete report (83/2)
[21:12] <TJ-> Simonious: and is the wifi using a Pre-Shared Key (passphrase) not a certificate?
[21:12] <AvidWolf43> and it appears numerous times
[21:13] <Simonious> TJ-: right, I typed in the key and that connects fine
[21:13] <TJ-> Simonious: if so check that key is stored in the connection config with "sudo grep -rn psk= /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/"
[21:14] <TJ-> Simonious: if you see the passphrase there, then it should be available to NM at boot-time without requiring the user to log-in
[21:14] <Simonious> psk="my passphrase" is there
[21:14] <TJ-> Simonious: the passphrase surrounded by " marks? On mine it isn't
[21:15] <Simonious> Hmm, it is here, i can remove them..
[21:15] <TJ-> Simonious: no... mauybe you have spaces in it?
[21:15] <Simonious> no spaces..
[21:15] <TJ-> Simonious: we know it works anyhow, when the user is logged in
[21:15] <TJ-> Simonious: oh well, never mind!
[21:16] <TJ-> OK, so a good thing to know is NM is very verbose about connections in /var/log/syslog so the next step is to look at that file, and particularly the messages from NM early in the startup
[21:17] <AvidWolf43> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/gFAWg8Ai filtered out the touchpad stuff please have a look
[21:18] <Simonious> TJ-: fyi, this machine used to work fine on wifi back before I wiped it to replace an older ubuntu with 18
[21:20] <TJ-> AvidWolf43: looks like the USB controller dies "xhci_hcd 0000:39:00.0: xHCI host controller not responding, assume dead"
[21:21] <TJ-> AvidWolf43: could it be overheating?
[21:21] <TJ-> AvidWolf43: if you're doing basically the same stuff with it, it might overheat around the same time
[21:21] <AvidWolf43> not sure, it works fine with windows on the same setup ...
[21:21] <TJ-> AvidWolf43: maybe not being configured correctly by the driver
[21:22] <AvidWolf43> im assuming to modify the driver config is above my knowledge
[21:22] <Simonious> TJ-: this is interesting: Aug  6 14:51:15 BS-1 NetworkManager[616]: <info>  [1533585075.5912] device (wlp3s0): Activation: (wifi) access point ‘my-network-name’ has security, but secrets are required.
[21:23] <TJ-> AvidWolf43: it looks like the PCI bridge device disappears, so everything below it dies, USB controller include
[21:24] <TJ-> Simonious: do you see another similar message shortly after "has security, and secrets exist.  No new secrets needed."
[21:25] <TJ-> Simonious: and shortly after that I also see "Config: added 'psk' value '<hidden>'"
[21:26] <Simonious>  has security, and secrets exist.  No new secrets needed
[21:26] <Simonious> TJ-: I removed those quotes and rebooted.. and it appears to be working!
[21:26] <Simonious> that seems to have been the magic sauce
[21:26] <Simonious> TJ-: thank you
[21:28] <TJ-> Simonious: I wonder what added them!?
[21:28] <TJ-> Simonious: I think you may have discovered a bug
[21:28] <Simonious> TJ-: well, I don't think so
[21:28] <Simonious> TJ-: I had hand edited that file in my repeated attempts
[21:28] <TJ-> Simonious: Oh, baaad!!
[21:29] <Simonious> TJ-: well.. nothing was working!
[21:29] <TJ-> Simonious: hmmm, better check it works on repeated reboots, not just this once
[21:29] <Simonious> TJ-: rebooting now
[21:31] <Simonious> TJ-: came up working
[21:31] <TJ-> Simonious: looks like it's solved then
[21:32] <Simonious> TJ-: will reboot once more and try logging in on the wireless only first
[21:34] <Simonious> TJ-: sweet crackers, I got in via wifi only
[21:35] <Kartha> gigirock: noted
[21:36] <AvidWolf43> TJ-: so is ther anything I can do to fix on my end?
[21:37] <TJ-> AvidWolf43: without clues as to why it falls off the PCI bus, not a lot.
[21:43] <hfp> tomreyn: yes, thanks
[21:48] <Rumen> Hello
[21:48] <Rumen> I have a question
[21:49] <Rumen> If I have a broken Nvidia modules in the kernel ,   will next kernel fix the errors when overwrite the old one?
[21:50] <Rumen> And if YES - when the new kernel will be issued?
[21:52] <TJ-> Rumen: if the nvidia modules fail to build, it's those that have to be fixed, not the kernel, because they're proprietary
[21:52] <Tin_man> you can always go backward to your old kernel, I've never done it, but I know it's a matter of booting it in grub somehow
[21:53] <Rumen> TJ- Whatever driver I try to install I get errors
[21:53] <TJ-> Rumen: well without us knowing the precise errors we can't really help
[21:54] <Rumen> 340, 390, 396 .... I have 84 pages A4 communication with Nvidia support .... and I'm not kidding about the number of the pages :)
[21:54] <kk4ewt> Rumen,  what card would help as well
[21:55] <TJ-> Rumen: some older GPUs nvidia class as legacy might lose support if nvidia don't keep the packages up to date
[21:55] <Rumen> TJ-  http://www.filedropper.com/nvidia
[21:56] <kk4ewt> Rumen,  lspci |grep VGA
[21:57] <Rumen> There are many errors this is one of them https://pastebin.com/ZKNa2sQx
[21:57] <kk4ewt> Rumen,  what is the output of the command i gave
[21:57] <Rumen> lspci |grep VGA
[21:57] <Rumen> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 730] (rev a1)
[21:57] <kk4ewt> ty
[21:58] <TJ-> Rumen: so did you install libelf-dev ?
[21:58] <Rumen> I installed the driver via "Software and updates"
[21:58] <Rumen> it is 390.77   but is broken
[21:59] <TJ-> kk4ewt: always better to ask for lspci -nn because it gives the exact PCI [vendor:device] ID
[22:01] <Rumen> TJ- Otherwise the computer recognise the card https://ibb.co/dHfnYz
[22:03] <Kartha> could i have my laptop take a selfie every 1 hour?
[22:04] <Kartha> every one hour provided there's a person there
[22:05] <TJ-> Rumen: OK, just been researching this. You're correct, there's a bug in the Ubuntu nvidia driver packages, they should declare a Depends: libelf-dev
[22:05] <TJ-> Rumen: let me see if there's a bug report for this
[22:06] <ryuo> Kartha: define "person there". the first part is trivial.
[22:06] <ryuo> Kartha: the easiest indicator would be recent input activity.
[22:07] <ryuo> Kartha: though all methods are imperfect.
[22:07] <Rumen> TJ- I'm sorry I dissapeared, byt the computer freeze again ...
[22:08] <TJ-> Rumen: OK, just been researching this. You're correct, there's a bug in the Ubuntu nvidia driver packages, they should declare a Depends: libelf-dev
[22:08] <xf192> https://pastebin.com/Z8j9yXAw this is how they steal credit cards...
[22:08] <Rumen> when I open any document - DOC, XLS, PPT or Google Maps .... it freeze
[22:08] <Kartha> ryuo: given some human face is present in the webcam feed, take a photo at equally spaced intervals
[22:09] <Rumen> TJ- What can I do to fix it?
[22:10] <ryuo> Kartha: no idea how to help you there. object recognition in video or images is still problematic. https://xkcd.com/1425/
[22:10] <Rumen> TJ- If I try to install the driver from the Nvidia site?
[22:12] <TJ-> Rumen: do this: "sudo apt install libelf-dev"
[22:13] <Rumen> TJ- OK ready - passed without errors
[22:13] <Rumen> now - reboot?
[22:13] <TJ-> Rumen: then retry building the driver. Do "dkms status" to find out which nvidia driver/version is installed
[22:14] <Rumen> https://pastebin.com/C0FQD2Nj
[22:14] <TJ-> if you have e.g. nvidia 390 then you can build/install it using "sudo dkms install nvidia/390
[22:15] <TJ-> Rumen: according to that, you've already got nvidia 390 installed
[22:15] <Rumen> yes
[22:16] <TJ-> Rumen: so it should be working
[22:16] <Rumen> sudo dkms install nvidia/390 Error! Could not find module source directory. Directory: /usr/src/nvidia-390 does not exist.
[22:16] <TJ-> Rumen: right, because the version is 390.77, so it'd be "sudo dkms install nvidia/390.77"
[22:17] <TJ-> Rumen: what does "lsmod | grep nvidia" report?
[22:17] <Rumen> aha with the .77 OK
[22:18] <Rumen> It shows https://pastebin.com/HzhCUVr3
[22:18] <TJ-> Rumen: so it is installed and in use
[22:19] <Rumen> I will reboot and try. Thanks a lot TJ-
[22:24] <RichiH10> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[22:30] <Rumen> TJ- unfortunatelly the erro in th ekernel modules still exist  http://www.filedropper.com/nvidia-bug-reportlog
[22:32] <Rumen> If I make clean install?
[22:33] <TJ-> Rumen: I'm not clear what error you mean? earlier you used 'lsmod' to show the module is loaded.
[22:35] <Rumen> When the computer load Says "Failed to load kernel modules"
[22:38] <TJ-> Rumen: can you show us "pastebinit <( lsb_release -a; uname -a; dmesg )"
[22:38] <oerheks> why such a inconveniant pastebin like filedropper, use paste.ubuntu.com
[22:39] <Rumen> https://pastebin.com/mkYqj1BJ
[22:40] <TJ-> Rumen: The system already has the nvidia driver installed and working
[22:41] <Rumen> Here you are https://pastebin.com/BsKQnCa0
[22:43] <TJ-> Rumen: "NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module  390.77 "
[22:43] <TJ-> Rumen: so, the driver is installed and working, as I've told you 3 times now
[22:44] <luis> ?
[22:44] <luis> hello
[22:48] <Rumen> TJ- OK I hope it will not freeze anymore, because it is very nasty - 8-9 times today
[22:49] <oerheks> depends, if it comes out of freeze after x seconds..
[22:50] <lungaro> anyone do their dev work in containers? any tips on making it seemless?
[22:53] <Rumen> Thans TJ-
[22:53] <Rumen> will check how it works now
[22:55] <TJ-> lungaro: how do you mean? testing, or the entire edit-test-commit cycle?
[22:56] <lungaro> entire edit-test-commit cycle TJ-
[22:57] <TJ-> lungaro: generally not, I'm not sure what benefit it would have for editing
[22:58] <lungaro> i can move the entire dev env anywhere just by moving the container, not good enough benefit?
[22:58] <lungaro> or export it and share it w/ someone else
[22:58] <TJ-> testing and building are good topics for containers, as with continuous integration
[22:59] <TJ-> lungaro: there aren't many scenarios where that is desired; most devs have their own set of preferred tools, configs, and so on
[22:59] <TJ-> lungaro: for when it is containers make sense; certainly lighter than using a VM
[23:09] <qwebirc40268> can somebody help me I have a problem, pls?
[23:09] <lungaro> dont ask to ask, jsut ask
[23:09] <qwebirc40268> ok sorry
[23:11] <qwebirc40268> here's the deal i have wifi adapter on laptop and the connection information says that the speed is 54 mbps but when i use speedtest website it only measures 10 mbps what could be the problem ?
[23:12] <gigirock> qwebirc40268: are you testing your wifi speed or your adsl speed ?
[23:12] <qwebirc40268> also when i plug the cable to the laptop from router the speedtest is higher
[23:12] <qwebirc40268> i gues the other one
[23:12] <TJ-> qwebirc40268: 54Mbps is the raw radio link, it has nothing to do with your ISPs connection speed
[23:13] <qwebirc40268> for ISP i should be getting up 50 mbps
[23:13] <qwebirc40268> up to
[23:13] <gigirock> qwebirc40268: max 50....
[23:13] <qwebirc40268> i yes
[23:14] <gigirock> so i will be in bed
[23:14] <qwebirc40268> i thought there is some setting that needs to be set to get the higher speed
[23:16] <qwebirc40268> no one?
[23:16] <rypervenche> qwebirc40268: Let's see...
[23:16] <rypervenche> qwebirc40268: Do you know what connection speed your ISP says you have?
[23:17] <qwebirc40268> yes up to 50mbps
[23:17] <rypervenche> qwebirc40268: And where did you read that? "up to" makes me think about their speed options, but not what you actually have. Or perhaps the max speed your wireless adapter can handle.
[23:17] <TJ-> qwebirc40268: "up to" means it depends on the line, so you'd have to check the modem to know what speed it is actually connecting at
[23:18] <TJ-> In the UK ISPs would advertise "up to 80Mbps" for VDSL, but unless you're within about 100m of the cabinet you'd not get that
[23:19] <qwebirc40268> well like i said wifi gives me up to 10 but when i plug the cable from router to laptop it gives me around 20 to 30
[23:20] <TJ-> qwebirc40268: so maybe there's radio interference so the WiFi is having to do resends
[23:20] <TJ-> qwebirc40268: are there a lot of other Access Points in the same band as your wifi?
[23:20] <qwebirc40268> no
[23:21] <rypervenche> qwebirc40268: It could be many things. What kind of wireless NIC do you have?
[23:21] <qwebirc40268> what is NIC exactly
[23:21] <qwebirc40268> ?
[23:21] <TJ-> qwebirc40268: do you have other PCs or devices on the same wifi network
[23:21] <qwebirc40268> TJ no
[23:22] <qwebirc40268> i was thinking maybe the router cant give more than 10
[23:22] <rypervenche> qwebirc40268: Type this for us and give us the resulting URL: lspci -nn | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
[23:22] <TJ-> qwebirc40268: that's a shame; you could do a speed test on the local network to see if the bottleneck is the wifi or something else
[23:23] <rypervenche> qwebirc40268: You're likely going to have to do some digging if you want to get to the bottom of this. It might not be a solution that you find in a single night.
[23:24] <qwebirc40268> rype http://ix.io/1jqs
[23:24] <TheRealgimp> Hi everyone, I have a quick question about a script i am trying to complete, hope i'm in the right place or you all have an idea for me. I have an environmental variable set as a script. if i execute the EV i get my desired return (the on/off status of my mic) if i put the EV in a blank script by itself i get the same desired effect. However as soon as i try to plug my EV into an if then else script i only get the EV scripts path not
[23:24] <TheRealgimp> the script output for (ex. $MIC alone gives me on/off. $MIC in if then else script gives me ./min.sh as the output.
[23:27] <rypervenche> TheRealgimp: You'd need to put it in $( )
[23:28] <TheRealgimp> Thank you. I will try this
[23:28] <TheRealgimp> ex. $(MIC) or $($MIC)?
[23:29] <TJ-> TheRealgimp: second
[23:29] <TheRealgimp> 10/4
[23:29] <TJ-> $(...) executes a subshell and is replaced by whatever the sub-shell prints
[23:32] <TheRealgimp> AH! you guys. thanks a bunch. I've been scouring the web for hours and hadn't found this little bit of info. works perfect now. THANKS!
[23:32] <TJ-> TheRealgimp: "man bash" :)
[23:36] <Kingpatzer> hello folks: i have a problem with sound on my iMac. There is none. I've followed a few guides on the web to get it working but nothing really helps. It's a 2016 iMac.
[23:37] <TheRealgimp> TJ I see now 3.5.4 Command Substitution. Thanks a bunch again
[23:40] <ndujoe1> upgraded to 18.04 like what I see thus far