[00:26]  * Eickmeyer loves seeing this chatter
[00:26] <Eickmeyer> Hey everyone. This was brought to the attention of those of us in the -flavors channel. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2018-August/005402.html
[00:28] <Eickmeyer> Now, while I'm not panicking and don't want to start a panic, it seems as though upstream GNOME is doing things that are breaking GTK3 for other environments, such as Budgie. No doubt it affects Xfce's movement to GTK3 as well.
[00:29] <Eickmeyer> It brought up an interesting thought: if, however unlikely, Xfce (and therefore Xubuntu), so does Studio.
[00:29] <Eickmeyer> *if Xfce breaks, that is.
[00:30] <Eickmeyer> Our additon of Plasma is seemingly that much more apt.
[12:33] <eylul> oh yikes
[12:34] <eylul> this puts plasma desktop up on focus probably. 
[12:34] <eylul> Eickmeyer: by the way I haven't forgotten the epub/pdf. basically main problem I kept running into is that I was hoping epub would work as a main source file to generate everything else from
[12:36] <eylul> that idea has been throughly dashed this past week. the whole thing looks like a printout of a webpage than a nice book. So I am scrapping this whole idea and making 2 files separate we can try to figure out a workflow for future updates and books. (will have more detailed thoughts on this by next meeting) but in mean time will try to get the epub out now, and pdf in a couple of days, this has been delayed enough as it is.
[17:49] <Eickmeyer> eylul: Sounds good. Get me a link and I'll get it in the wiki and get an announcement out.
[17:52] <Eickmeyer> eylul: And, yes, I fear making Plasma more of a focus is something that needs to be done, and perhaps even switch it to the default. GTK changes have affected Xfce in the past in a negative way, and any breakage at this point could destroy Studio since we're so fragile right now. I don't want that to happen, and I know nobody else does either.
[18:04] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: well if someone wants to work at getting the second iso spinning... I may not have much time for the rest of the month.
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I don't know where to start. Pinging tsimonq2.
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> Otherwise I'd totally make that the focus.
[18:16] <tsimonq2> Yo.
[18:16] <tsimonq2> Super easy.
[18:17] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: You have a separate seed and metapackage, right?
[18:17] <tsimonq2> If not, that's the first step.
[18:25] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Where are we at with that?
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Looks like there's a separate seed. https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio-plasma.cosmic
[18:35] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Please convert that to Git, and I can upload the metapackage.
[18:38] <Eickmeyer> Okay.
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntustudio-plasma.cosmic
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> I expect there to be failures.
[19:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: sorry, the seed depends on metas we already have I think.
[19:10] <OvenWerks> We don't want both seeds to create the same metas.
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> Well, then we need to fix that. I think the first step would be to fork kubuntu-desktop to make ubuntustudio-plama-desktop
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> But, I'm not 100% sure on that.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> That one can be directly meta-ed from the seed.
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> Oh, okay. So, lots of work to do in the seed?
[19:34] <OvenWerks> The seed has only two files of note: desktop-plasma and metas
[19:35] <OvenWerks> no more work. I think
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Is it calling ubuntustudio-plasma-settings? (I haven't looked that deeply yet)
[19:35] <OvenWerks> make a ubuntustudio-desktop meta from the first and the second may not need to be metaed as it is already just a list of metas
[19:37] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I'm not sure :)
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Well, I don't think we'll know for sure until we start attempting to spin ISOs and get kicked-back.
[19:37] <OvenWerks> yes but it is commented out as ubuntustudio-plasma-settings has to be released
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Well, Ross is off on his trip for 3 weeks, so getting that in is going to be tricky.
[19:40] <OvenWerks> so the iso can be spun ok, it will just be without settings.
[19:40] <OvenWerks> but that will give something to experiment with
[19:41] <OvenWerks> that is we can build settings and install from the ppa after install.
[19:49]  * tsimonq2 is back.
[19:49] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Instead of putting it under master on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntustudio-plasma.cosmic please push it to a cosmic branch of https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntustudio-plasma
[19:50] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I can handle the initial creation of the metapackage, the pushing into cosmic, and the infra bits.
[19:51] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: desktop-plasma should just be desktop; if it's in a different seed, naming collisions don't matter.
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Done
[19:54] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: You can push buttons in iso.qa.ubuntu.com right?
[19:54] <tsimonq2> i.e. mark ISOs as ready, etc.
[20:05] <Eickmeyer> Yes, I sure can.
[20:05] <Eickmeyer> Got kinda busy with what is soon to be an overdue photo shoot (Yes, I do that too!)
[20:12] <tsimonq2> :D
[20:49] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Anything that needs to be clicked now?
[20:49] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Not at the moment.
[20:49] <Eickmeyer> Thought so, but figured now that I've done a bulk of the photo stuff I have a chance to check. :)
[20:49] <Eickmeyer> <3 Darktable
[20:50] <tsimonq2> Oh, did you rename desktop-plasma to desktop?
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> I did not. Did OvenWerks?
[20:53] <tsimonq2> I don't believe so.
[20:59] <Eickmeyer> Okay, I'll see what I can do.
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Done and pushed.
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> (that really shouldn't have taken as long as it did, just got into other things)
[21:39] <tsimonq2> Thanks.