[00:34] <ali1234> because it actually works
[01:03] <ali1234> good analysis, good video :)
[01:09] <m0nkey_> I got nothing against it. I quite like how to add a service, create a unit file and enable it.
[06:18] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:29] <zxmoy-pi> morning mammals
[06:32] <brobostigon> morning elven beings
[06:33] <brobostigon> human elfs*
[06:50] <knightwise> Good morning brobostigon
[06:52] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[06:52] <knightwise> Get zxmoy-pi
[06:53] <knightwise> get = Hey
[06:53] <knightwise> how you guys doing today ?
[06:53] <knightwise> Not too hot ? Gonna be another waaaaarm one
[06:53] <zxmoy-pi> tis a tuesday after a bank holiday... a stealth monday
[06:53] <knightwise> oooh  hate those
[06:53]  * knightwise working from home in the new offices
[06:54] <knightwise> nice :) I haz a view now.
[06:54] <knightwise> https://www.instagram.com/p/BmKxPkajcTdkiSYaPDEsqKIN76EmfvgBUQVa-40/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=ydjbsauhfifa
[06:54] <knightwise> Oj joy that is an UGLY url
[09:41] <daftykins> o0
[09:42] <knightwise>  Hey daftykins
[09:42] <knightwise> how man today you are*
[09:43] <knightwise> * please arrange words in right order to confirm you are not a freenode bot
[09:43] <daftykins> xD just strolled down from the bedroom so not bad so far thanks :D all well with you?
[09:44] <knightwise> Yup :)
[09:44] <knightwise> first day in the new company office
[09:44] <knightwise> we renovated the garage and its now an office/classroom for our company
[09:44] <daftykins> :D fresh smell of paint?
[09:45] <knightwise> paint smell is gone, place smells of fresh wood
[09:45] <knightwise> we used american pallet-wood to cover one of the walls
[09:45] <knightwise> makes the place look very rustic
[09:47] <daftykins> ooh yes i see the above pic now, i hope that mug contains a tasty beverage
[09:47] <knightwise> Yep , Half of my coffee rations
[09:47] <knightwise> i've moved down to a maximum of 2 cups a day
[09:47] <knightwise> rest is tea
[09:48] <daftykins> i've often found tea seems like the more mild alternative now, too - have quite a few now
[09:48] <knightwise> too much coffee makes me stressed and ancious
[09:49] <knightwise> I was completely stressed out during our holidays, decided it was time for a change
[09:49] <daftykins> right, i best get myself cleaned up and to the bank, then i can have a word with the charity shop staff about these two spruced up laptops for them to try and shift :D
[09:49] <knightwise> so i started meditating/mindfullness, cut down on coffee and stuff like social media and stuff
[09:50] <knightwise> daftykins: good luck with that dude :)
[09:50] <daftykins> ah didn't get the relaxing effect of the holiday huh? that sounds terrible
[09:50] <knightwise> nope , got a stress-backlash
[09:50] <zxmoy-pi> with a wood covered wall you can give classes on axe throwing or advanced sysadmin :-)
[09:50] <daftykins> yikes
[09:50] <knightwise> hahahah :) THAT is an excellent idea
[09:50] <knightwise> and we can practice on LIVE USERS
[09:50] <zxmoy-pi> only once... :-p
[09:51] <daftykins> good that you're nipping that one in the bud now, as i know someone who had to go off work for an entire year during a stress related breakdown... in fact that's why i ended up teaching, to help cover for them
[09:51] <knightwise> zxmoy-pi: they still breathe after you chop off an arm
[09:51] <knightwise> daftykins: wife had a burn out 4 years ago. not something you wanna go through
[09:51] <zxmoy-pi> yeah but they won't stand still to try again...
[09:51] <daftykins> eek
[09:51] <knightwise> she never fully recovered.  Says she is like a phone battery that only charges 80%
[09:58] <daftykins> well, that's definitely better than nothing
[09:59] <daftykins> was it a busy work life that did it?
[10:03] <knightwise> Work mostly, Giving 120 percent for 4 years on end
[10:03] <knightwise> bad bosses who offered her no help
[10:03] <knightwise> and one day .. poof: she could no longer go up the stairs
[10:05] <zxmoy-pi> work them till they're knackered, there's plenty more waiting for a job :-/
[10:08] <knightwise> zxmoy-pi: very true
[10:08] <knightwise> drone 4993 is defective, replace with drone 4994
[10:08] <knightwise> she always says she got the "BSOD" for 3 years and only then slowy rebooted
[10:09] <knightwise> she is now a therapist counceling people with stress issues, (Shiatsu and relaxation therapy) and works in our company as a trainer/coach teaching entrepreneurs about Social Media
[10:10] <zxmoy-pi> amazon are walking themselves into a massive lawsuit soon with the same treatment of their warehouse workers
[10:10] <zxmoy-pi> technically they work for other companies for amazon but some smart lawyer will find a way to nail them
[10:11] <knightwise> yep. Welcome to the new slavery
[10:11] <knightwise> Same thing with online stores like zalando and stuff
[10:11] <knightwise> order-pickers are the slaves of the next decenium
[10:11] <zxmoy-pi> till robots put them out of work
[10:12]  * knightwise is currently working for a company helping them with Chatbots and AI, 
[10:12] <knightwise> take a gooood hard look at the helpdesk/callcenter agent.
[10:12] <knightwise> cuz a lot of them arent going to be around for that much longer
[10:12] <zxmoy-pi> no no, they promised those jobs weren't at risk from robots...
[10:15] <knightwise> zxmoy-pi: every time you say "hey google" or'hey alexa" you are feeding them linguistic data that helps their voice recognition systems become smarter
[10:15] <knightwise> the smarter they get .. the faster they can replace a menial callcenter agent
[10:16] <zxmoy-pi> i have never used alexa or hey google
[10:16] <zxmoy-pi> never will
[10:16] <zxmoy-pi> will never buy amazon
[10:16] <knightwise> i have one in the office , /me needs to know how it works
[10:17] <knightwise> hmm. Good article on reddit/r/commandline about a guy who wants to go full cli because hey plays to much games/pron
[10:18] <zxmoy-pi> introduce him to rogue :-)
[10:18] <knightwise> Rogue ?
[10:18] <Laney> nethack
[10:18] <Laney> the best of the genre
[10:18] <zxmoy-pi> oh dear... rogue a console game from the 70s... excellent game.  try pixel dungeon on android for a modern prettier version
[10:18] <Laney> 😈
[10:19] <knightwise> hey Laney
[10:19] <knightwise> nah , he doesnt wanna GAME on the Cli ,
[10:19] <Laney> moin knightwise
[10:19] <knightwise> he wants to get his scatterbrain under control and focus on whats important when he is using a computer
[10:20] <zxmoy-pi> i do the same with as many console based apps as possible. it is good for reducing distractions
[10:20] <knightwise> zxmoy-pi: totally agree
[10:21]  * knightwise working on a podcast on becoming a little more "cyber zen"
[10:21] <Laney> well
[10:21] <Laney> I have IRC in my terminal :P
[10:21] <knightwise> lets see, irc, newsbeuter, rtv, twidge and Nano
[10:21] <knightwise> although I should teach myself to use emacs
[10:21] <zxmoy-pi> my irc is run on irssi on my rasp pi which i ssh into from any other device at home...
[10:21] <zxmoy-pi> sc for spreadsheets
[10:22] <knightwise> zxmoy-pi: I run all my cli apps on my Pi3 in Cli via Tmux
[10:23] <knightwise> oh , and alpine for mail !
[10:24] <zxmoy-pi> i did try alpine but it didn't like my gmail at the time... must go look at it again
[10:25] <knightwise> zxmoy-pi: works fine with Gmail via imap
[10:25] <knightwise> tls and everything
[10:32] <knightwise> hmm. I should take on of my older laptops and JUST put a cli interface on there :) see if it would be workable
[10:34] <zxmoy-pi> freedos.... whoooooo!1!!! :-)
[12:13] <diddledan> CPM!
[12:14] <zxmoy-pi> i have looked at some of the z80 computers currently available to run cp/m....
[12:14] <zxmoy-pi> no intel backdoors there :-)
[12:26]  * diddledan tries to penetrate zxmoy-pi 's airgap
[12:27]  * zxmoy-pi watches 3 feral cats approach ninja diddledans hiding spot...
[12:39] <daftykins> first machine dropped off at the charity shop \o/
[12:39] <diddledan> \o/
[12:40] <zxmoy-pi> left in basket at the door, ring bell and leg it...
[12:40] <diddledan> I love that term "leg it"
[12:40] <zxmoy-pi> wonderfully visual, isn't it?
[12:41] <daftykins> how'd you know?
 have you heard of Linux? <them> uh, no...?
[12:42] <diddledan> did you explain via interpretive dance?
[12:42] <daftykins> nay, some authentic Guernsey throat singing
[12:42] <zxmoy-pi> no glove puppets to hand?
[12:43] <diddledan> puppets? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCfws0jtVA
[13:09]  * diddledan might buy deadpool2
[13:09] <diddledan> available on vudu (US only)
[13:10] <daftykins> oooh i forgot that existed
[13:10] <daftykins> my neighbour invited me to go see this new Antman one soon, could be amusing
[13:11]  * diddledan whops the wasp
[13:33] <daftykins> wow serious storm brewin' here, real rumbles coming from the channel - maybe over France
[13:33] <diddledan> no, that's my stomach
[13:33] <daftykins> http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php?map=10
[13:34] <daftykins> then you must be near me!
[13:34] <diddledan> almost over top of you, by the looks of that cluster on the map
[13:35] <daftykins> yip yip
[14:14]  * knightwise back :) 
[14:31] <daftykins> woohoo proper rain \o/
[14:59] <knightwise> daftykins: lucky bastard
[14:59] <knightwise> i just saw an astromech and a protocol droid in my back yard asking for directoins to jabba's palace
[14:59] <daftykins> xD
[15:00] <daftykins> mmm caramel latté from next door also, aaaah life is good
[15:09] <emma> hi
[15:09] <emma> how do you make the factoids for ubottu?
[15:10] <emma> !test
[15:10] <daftykins> you have to ask in #ubuntu-ops
[15:10] <daftykins> also hi :>
[15:10] <emma> daftykins: wow i didn't know you were an ubuntu uk member
[15:11] <daftykins> did you get anywhere with that lemon laptop of your aunts the other day? just done some full disassembly of a couple here myself which had faulty HDDs
[15:11] <emma> i came here to find out how to make the factoids for ubottu because i can't remember how to make them for ubnotu lol
[15:11] <daftykins> oh i'm not a member, i just lurk here since they've yet to ban me ;)
[15:11] <emma> i didn't think there would be anyone here that knew me
[15:12] <daftykins> and i can wave across at the English Channel at them!
[15:12] <emma> lol
[15:12] <daftykins> -at
[15:12] <emma> i did put linux on her laptop but she hasn't seen it yet
[15:13] <emma> it works okay i think i don't really know how to test it but i think it is okay
[15:13] <daftykins> given the age it no doubt has clogged vents like the ones i got and failed HDDs :>
[15:14] <emma> maybe i can try to clean it
[15:14] <daftykins> https://dafty.rocks/nextcloud/s/w8J28nLfbbrs6bb - i'd been boring this lot with my pics
[15:14] <daftykins> yeah, even easier if they're not like the two i had - HP and Compaq that needed even the LCD off to get down to the board :(
[15:14] <emma> is that your domain?
[15:14] <daftykins> yep
[15:14] <emma> that's an awesome domain!
[15:15] <daftykins> heh thanks
[15:15] <emma> oh my gosh you took it apart completely
[15:15] <emma> that's why you are always telling me to fix things for myself
[15:15]  * m0nkey__ lurks here too
[15:16] <emma> but that sort of taking it apart terrifies me
[15:16] <daftykins> yeah, had i not sorted that cooling, it would've overheated for the people picking them up from the charity shop i just gave them to
[15:16] <emma> i would never get it back together
[15:16] <emma> hi m0nkey__
[15:16] <daftykins> well if you google the range you can find the service manuals so it's quite easy to follow along
[15:16] <emma> reading the service manual is a skill tho
[15:16] <daftykins> m0nkey__: \o
[15:17] <daftykins> naaah it just has pics
[15:17] <daftykins> and "take out these screws"
[15:17] <daftykins> i don't know how the guy got his data off them, because the original OSs just totally froze up due to the faulty HDDs + overheating
[15:18] <daftykins> Louis is live \o/ www.twitch.tv/rossmanngroup
[15:18] <m0nkey__> Happy little macbook
[15:19] <emma> daftykins: you gave it to a charity?
[15:20] <daftykins> yeah by chance 10m from my door is one of the UK chain of cancer research places, so i popped down and asked if they would take them to sell in their shop
[15:20] <daftykins> so just this morning i took the first one in, loaded up with Xubuntu - we'll see if it shifts
[15:20] <emma> wow thats awesome
[15:20] <emma> oh wow
[15:20] <daftykins> just been fixing up a small Dell desktop as well but i don't know if they'll take that
[15:20] <daftykins> i had to put spare HDDs in of my own to get the laptops back to working order
[15:21] <emma> someone will be lucky to have it
[15:22] <daftykins> dunno if i'd go that far xD webcam and wifi were all working fine though - and they were able to play youtube videos fullscreen
[15:22] <daftykins> currently zeroing the HDD in the desktop then i'll get an OS on there too
[15:22] <emma> is that a good test?
[15:22] <emma> i put kubuntu on my aunts laptop so its not like i found a light weight one
[15:22] <emma> but i feel like it looks okay
[15:23] <daftykins> depending on the specs it would most likely be impractical to run well for anyone without patience like me
[15:23] <emma> i tried to test it by opening firefox over and over again and starting different youtube videos and playing them all at once.
[15:23] <daftykins> if i were selling these for profit i'd be putting SSDs in for sure
[15:23] <emma> it isn't fast like you are used to
[15:23] <emma> but i think her laptop was not that fast when it had xp on it either
[15:24] <daftykins> i dunno, it was a pretty simple OS
[15:24] <daftykins> i cringed when i saw XP boot on this Dell desktop just now xD
[15:24] <daftykins> hoping not to see that ever again :D
[15:26] <daftykins> seriously though, you must join the SSD master race - computing will never be the same again! :D
[15:27] <emma> i wish i could
[17:46] <diddledan> did telegram just die?
[17:48] <diddledan> https://outage.report/telegram seems yes
[17:49]  * diddledan blames popey
[17:50] <daftykins> xD
[18:05] <marshmn> oh
[18:05] <marshmn> I was wondering
[18:05] <marshmn> I've only been using Telegram since the last week
[18:05] <marshmn> yet another chat system though :/
[18:06] <marshmn> thank goodness for Rambox
[19:09] <popey> diddledan: did you break telegram again?!
[19:12] <zxmoy-pi> he tried to send a message in morse via telegtam?! :-P
[20:14] <m0nkey_> Too many chats.
[20:14] <m0nkey_> keep it simples.
[20:14] <m0nkey_> IRC
[20:14] <m0nkey_> That was nearly a haiku
[20:16] <brobostigon> :)
[20:36] <zxmoy-pi> don't worry google has a plan... release so many chat platforms till everyone has their own...
[20:38] <zxmoy-pi> then we'll all realise the mistake and switch to aol messenger :-)
[20:51] <popey> Bring back ICQ
[20:55] <m0nkey_> uh-oh!
[21:00] <brobostigon> twelve monkeys on bbc4, :)
[21:03] <zxmoy-pi> i ...think icq is still going...
[22:39] <ali1234> produce is to products as consume is to ___?
[22:40] <ali1234> i don't really like the term "consumables"
[22:48] <zxmoy-pi> it is the common use word...
[23:36] <daftykins> concur
[23:37] <daftykins> my friend and his wife, a vat, just nipped back to my house to help trim my cat's claws (because i'm a wimp) after a night out (they're over from England for a wedding of one of our old school friends this weekend)
[23:37] <daftykins> i crept in, locked her flap then went to find her, all curled up atop the bed sheets on the top floor
[23:37] <daftykins> "oh, hello hooman"
[23:38] <daftykins> bring the rest of them in and go up, she's already crept under the bed and is camped out there with the least impressed face ever on her :D
[23:38] <daftykins> but right now she's forgotten, all is forgiven