[03:43] good morning to all [04:04] pragmanticenigma found this bug for ltsupgrade: [04:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1766890 [04:04] Ubuntu bug 1766890 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Bionic) "package gnome-menus 3.13.3-6ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: triggers looping, abandoned" [Undecided,In progress] [04:22] thanks lotuspsychje (bug info..) [04:22] np guiverc seems thats what holding up..on different machines [04:24] & on good side - fix released was marked ~6 hours ago.. :) [04:27] ah didnt notice that guiverc tnx [04:27] guiverc: lets keep an eye on upgrade windows today then [04:33] !info ubuntu-release-upgrader xenial [04:33] Package ubuntu-release-upgrader does not exist in xenial [04:34] !info libc6 xenial [04:34] libc6 (source: glibc): GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.23-0ubuntu10 (xenial), package size 2212 kB, installed size 9582 kB [04:34] !info ubuntu-release-upgrader cosmic [04:35] Package ubuntu-release-upgrader does not exist in cosmic [04:35] hmm [04:36] bbl [05:32] tomreyn: always a pain atheros & realtek [05:32] when are they gonna fix this working by default [05:32] default users shouldnt be poking at realtek gits right [05:34] tomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1769386 #8 got it working on my bug with a git [05:34] Ubuntu bug 1769386 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Cable network does not get recognized anymore, wifi works" [Undecided,Confirmed] [06:09] lotuspsychje: sorry, i missed this entirely [06:09] tomreyn: dont sweat mate im used to idle === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ [06:13] lotuspsychje: you should document what happens when you try to use the card [06:14] so far i think there are only variations of "does not work" on there. which it probably boild down toi, but it may help triaging this to know how it fails. [06:14] tomreyn: like in a syslog tail? [06:14] whatever relevant log is on syslog or dmesg, yes [06:14] tomreyn: problem is this happens on a customers box..i cant be there always [06:14] or try to bring it up manually and see what the result is [06:15] this is what i bugged it from customers box [06:15] hoping for a fix [06:15] next time ill be there ill run few more tests [06:16] tomreyn: but this bug is really not the first on atheros and realtek... [06:16] lotuspsychje: definitely not ;) [06:18] but good idea tomreyn next bug i do remote, ill keep the tail open [06:19] lotuspsychje: it seems like this is a widespread issue, so it should not be too hard to get more information. [06:19] also , this seems to be a workaround: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1779817#19 [06:19] Ubuntu bug 1779817 in linux (Ubuntu) "r8169 no internet after suspending" [Medium,Confirmed] [06:19] lets c [06:20] actually there's only one saying it made it work, 2 saying it didnt [06:21] interesting find tomreyn [06:21] lotuspsychje: comment #39 [06:22] tomreyn: i reported the bug from customers xenial on Uname: Linux 4.13.0-39-generic x86_64 [06:22] so lets assume realtek was working fine below kernel 4.13 and update broke it [06:22] xenial now has 4.15, too [06:22] for hwe [06:22] yeah but i reported it broken on 4.13 [06:22] right [06:23] on clean install realtek worked find, cant recall wich kernel that was [06:23] it must be a regression :-/ [06:23] fine [06:23] those realteks always work/not work on kernel versions and linux-firmware [06:23] you could downgrade the customer machone to 4.4 (GA kernel) if that's an option for them + you, until it's fixed [06:24] tomreyn: i might do the bionic test also [06:24] got some new ideas now tomreyn tnx :p [06:25] note this kernel wont work with secure boot [06:25] but it could work on xenial, i guess [06:25] i'm sleepy, ttyl [06:25] okay mate sleep tight! [06:25] enjoy the breeze [06:25] :) will [06:37] good morning [08:52] JimBuntu: Not sure if you know of nfsplus but a somewhat well-known troll with nothing better to do with his time. [08:53] Ah, I did not, thanks [09:39] Hi folks [09:58] * BluesKaj tries to wake up, but it's too early...damn insomnia :/ [10:00] BluesKaj, I woke up 5 hours ago, thanks to insomnia [10:01] whoa JimBuntu, guess you'll be napping today :-) [10:04] I don'r sleep in like I used to ...must be one of the signs of old age [10:07] waiting for the coffee to kick in [10:09] hey BluesKaj [10:09] hey lotuspsychje [10:10] coffee the black gold [10:11] yup [10:21] oh no, not another multiple monitor problem...fixing that is so hit and miss [10:21] sounds more like multi-GPU [10:23] assumed 2 gpus = 2 monitors [10:32] assumed wrong, it's 5 [10:41] BluesKaj: can you recall where the per-user Xorg log is now? somewhere under $HOME isn't it? My system is still logging to /var/log/ but I've seen a few where it's in $HOME [10:44] TJ-, still have Xorg.0.log in /var/log on 18.10 Cosmic [10:44] hmmm I wonder under what circumstances its also under $HOME [10:45] haven't heard of that [10:53] TJ-: ~/.local/share/xorg i think [10:56] Hi ducasse, I don't have that path [10:57] Thanks ducasse. any idea under what circumstances that happens? is it just for the gdm3/gnome desktop? [10:58] BluesKaj: me neither, but i'm fairly sure that's it [10:58] !paste [10:58] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [10:58] aiui (and i might be wrong) it's used when x is run under your userid instead of root [10:59] I'm receiving this notice when apt updating, should I be concerned? (appstreamcli:4538): GLib-CRITICAL **: 06:51:35.352: g_atomic_ref_count_dec: assertion 'g_atomic_int_get (arc) > 0' failed [11:00] BluesKaj, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1785498 [11:00] Ubuntu bug 1785498 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "g_atomic_ref_count_dec: assertion 'g_atomic_int_get (arc) > 0' failed" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:01] BluesKaj: the appstream thing is only used to provide extra information to gnome software, i think [11:02] at least that's the answer i was given when i asked about it [11:02] ducasse: re: xorg - so probably thats the way gdm3 is configured in 18.04 [11:03] ok thanks JimBuntu, ducasse ...seems not to affect my updates/upgrades, they still continue after the notice [11:03] BluesKaj: ducasse I do wish programmers would handle those asserts as reports to the user as well, about what was being attempted [11:11] TJ-: dunno, i still use lightdm. when this change was introduced i think it was due to systemd changes. [11:16] yes, sounds about right [11:18] there was a debian bug report on it, iirc [11:19] makes sense to not run the server as root [11:19] it does, sure [15:31] good morning tomreyn :p [15:31] lotuspsychje: ;) been awake for a while [15:31] well, as much as you can be awake at 38°C [15:32] tomreyn: a users from this morning asked for you, told him you was afk, and he went for rebooting [15:32] didnt get more feedback from him [15:32] uh oh ;) [15:32] fre..something [15:32] got it, thanks [15:32] kk [15:32] tomreyn: here it cooled a bit today [15:33] nice! i should have a thunderstorm in an hour, too [15:34] cool [15:35] tomreyn: spain & portugal 40-45c [15:35] were on the good side :p [15:38] omg, i'd just die [15:39] this bottom left red blobl is my only hope right now http://i.imgur.com/N1Pezzd.png [15:42] nice [15:43] here it comes! just hitting me now, rain that is [15:43] sat outside with PC [15:44] nice [15:46] hopefulyl your pc didnt get hit [15:47] hey blackflow [15:51] I'm under the inside-out room :) [16:29] TJ-: will look for erge, just read it on -ops [16:39] hggdh: oh, that was hours ago :) [16:39] what do you guys think of adding this to !ppapurge ? [16:39] https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-list-and-remove-ppa-repository-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux [16:40] TJ-: yes, I know... sorry. Just wanted you to know it was not a waste of time to report the user [16:42] lotuspsychje: nice [16:43] hggdh: i found linuxconfig a very decent tut site [16:43] (although there is one word in the page that is coloured green/blue that I almost cannot read) [16:43] hggdh: ahhh, thanks [16:43] and as more users would start using bionic.. [16:43] yes [16:43] hggdh: wich word? [16:44] the green one :p [16:44] or should i say , the invisible one? [16:44] actually, all the green ones :-) [16:44] there are three: java, master-daily, PPA [16:44] ah [16:45] its less visible indeed [16:46] i think the guide is sound, just the 'gui way' for removal lacks explanation on how to identify + remove the repo gpg signing key [16:48] Better than the current, though: To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:/ » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html [16:48] yeah the webupd8 is flaky [16:48] but would the linuxconfig one, work on xenial aswell? [16:49] cause we still got 2 years xenial boxes [16:49] this hasn't changes since 14.04 i think [16:49] kk [16:50] so, yes, works on xenial [16:51] cool [16:52] but no gpg heh [16:55] oh ppa-purge is also not mentioned, that's actually a reason to look for something better, or write it, if you can, somewhere, just like on a wiki which no one can access to. [16:56] yeah, cause we need that trigger alot [16:59] the proper solution would be to add functionality (and a --switch) to apt-add-repostory to purge packages (or package versions) installed from the repository to be removed, like ppa-purge does it. [16:59] the irony about ppa-purge is you used to have to install it from a PPA [16:59] >:D [17:00] !info ppa-purge [17:00] ppa-purge (source: ppa-purge): disables a PPA and reverts to official packages. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8+bzr63 (bionic), package size 6 kB, installed size 24 kB [17:00] yayy [17:00] ah har :> [17:01] :) i think it was never that welcome, since it's a bash, not a python script, thus not using the python apt classes as all the other tools do, and since ti was not complete / reliable for a long time. a community contributed tool. [17:01] ah i see [17:02] (i'm guessing a lot there) [17:04] tomreyn: apt-add-repository has a --remove option [17:04] tomreyn: doesn't that also purge packets? [17:04] ahhh, no, I see it doesn't [17:11] right [21:27] oerheks: fwupd is the firmware updating daemon - just in case oyu're not aware [21:27] i dont know how it retrieves its updates, this may depend on the vendor [21:32] yes, i am looking and reading, maybe a source in his lists, or a cronjob.. [21:53] hope you don't mind me taking over... i know very little about it, too, though. [21:55] what's getting updated? :) i think only my toaster is safe from me, at this point [21:58] interesting indeed, http://termbin.com/pivl [22:01] hmm gigabyte [22:01] they want to flash their mobo? [22:07] a long term wish: a tool that updates firmware, even the bios [22:08] i am learning tonight [22:08] is that what's happening? someone wants to update the BIOS on their mobo? because that one has a built-in tool... [22:08] i can only imagine i have gotten the situation wrong :) [22:10] https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23ubuntu.html [22:10] up to 10 min ago, see the end [22:10] ty [22:14] makes no sense why anyone should pursue a Linux based update method when a motherboard has native support free from an OS [22:19] hmm [22:19] can uefi be updated from ;linux when a password is set? [22:20] tom ^ [22:21] oerheks: i dont know [22:22] chances are you'd either need to enter it then, or it will just fail [22:22] why would you take the risk? [22:22] which risk? [22:23] (i'm asking since there could be multiple, not because i dont see one) [22:23] i might have gotten the wrong impression still, but are you talking with that guy about using a Linux based app to update his gigabyte motherboard BIOS? [22:24] besides risc, i would not allow linux to do that, i find it interesting, but want to know the cuplit users can encounter, so i was thinking about protected firmware like uefi [22:24] daftykins: we're talking about the person who reported that their system showed this error message https://i.imgur.com/xKCMsQE.png and i think they had a gigabyte mainboard. [22:24] risc or risk :) [22:24] ah ok so it's unrelated, but for some reason a fwupd thing is running o0 [22:25] oerheks: uefi has a generic firmware update staging mechanism, so it's entirely possible to design this safely. [22:25] the actual update is then only carried out on reboot [22:26] also firmwares are almost always signed or at least checksummed nowadays. [22:27] i am reading https://fwupd.org/users now [22:27] mmm when my friend was helping me make that modified BIOS, i had to bypass that [22:27] daftykins: fwupd and fwupdate\* are installed by default on 18.04. [22:27] new stuff indeed [22:28] last time i read about it, fwupd was considered a stillbirth [22:28] figures Canonical are touching it then ;D [22:29] it's great to have this generic, vendor independant framework, for this purpose. but having this doesn't automatically make cvendors support it. [22:29] pressure on them is rising during the past and future years, luckily, though. [22:30] given how many people use Linux? goodness no :P [22:30] lot of work to do https://fwupd.org/vendorlist [22:30] proprietary firmwares for things as central as the mainbord you acquired should be a no go. [22:30] if i were at Asus i'd just laugh [22:31] daftykins: i doubt fwupd is strictly linux dependant. well the imlementation probably is, but i'm sure it could be adapted for other OS. [22:32] wow, this list has grown [22:32] i'll stick to native tools :D [22:32] last time i looked at it i think it had 3 records [22:33] well those are native tools. they use the mechanism uefi offers for staging FW updates [22:33] for mainboard that is [22:33] not sure about other devices [22:34] quite like my fancy modern Asus mobos being able to read the files straight off even NTFS HDDs to update from [22:36] https://lwn.net/Articles/761860/ [22:38] looks like hey may actuall make it happen, that'd be awesome. [22:44] is there a rule that all open source related sites have to appear as if from the 90s? :) [22:49] they're probably all running on 90s servers [22:49] xD [22:59] © R.M.S. web design [23:00] Uhm... ubuntu.com is kinda open source related and it looks *beautiful* [23:00] So does Lubuntu.me. ;) [23:00] quiet you! ;D [23:13] RMS - another topic that gives me a headache. if he would have spend a tenth of the effort that he has expended on dissertations re: why we should call linux gnulinux, writing code, he may actually have a working Hurd kernel. 30yrs later... [23:15] he's too busy trying to find a parrot and asking to borrow other peoples phones so he doesn't have to touch closed source ;D [23:15] heheh [23:16] i am fighting the image of an eating-toenail-guy [23:16] lol [23:20] who is RMS pauljw ? [23:20] IMO he's > current U.S. president. a mean way to kill a discussion, i know., [23:21] stallman, the Gnu behind the GNU [23:22] that's what I thought... the RM threw me [23:23] I think most OpenSource project sites look 90s is because that's when the project started and most devs are trying to write software, not make a pretty website [23:23] much better tools for content management today that reduce the repetiveness of web develpement of yesteryear [23:23] I think those kids today had no idea, we used to have to code each page by hand, top to bottom [23:23] and to make a style change meant editing every single page on the site [23:24] now how stallman thinks usign a land line is safe, when most of the MA-Bell was all closed source [23:27] doubt they've all been online that long [23:28] oh... it's fun when a new hire comes out of college and gets a real taste of supporting legacy applications [23:28] WebForms for life!!! [23:32] grinn https://me.me/i/a-ggag-com-1988-picard-introduces-2002-bill-gates-introduces-8788255 [23:33] far as stallman goes ... it's true that we really shouldn't lump it as Linux... since Linux is only the kernel... but how does one give a name to a bunch of things with that as a common thread [23:34] well just to name what you're running you have to have a lengthy conversation and also cover the stupid pretentious pronunciations :< [23:35] only the kernel, which explains why after 30yrs he still can't manage to get a working one. [23:37] pauljw: stallman doesn't have anything to do with linux kernel... that's Torvalds baby [23:37] stallman => userspace, torvalds => systemspace [23:40] i believe pauljw was talking about Hurd? [23:40] can't say i'm familiar [23:40] i know whose baby it is, and that's what is driving little Ricky crazy. the GNU project which is RMS's is still trying to get the Hurd kernel to run. [23:49] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWZtcxWiJjE [23:49] gnu hurd release date poll [23:51] i Hurd you like delays [23:52] sure, i live in berlin, we love delays. [23:52] :D [23:52] you might have heard about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Brandenburg_Airport [23:53] i suspect HURD will release first [23:56] hmm nope [23:57] no way...