[00:01] <mo_> hi
[00:01] <mo_> from everywhere
[00:03] <TJ-> de-facto: looking at /etc/init.d/kmod, it seems it you edit /etc/default/rcS and set VERBOSE=yes you should get more log messages (presumably in syslog/kern.log)
[00:04] <TJ-> de-facto: as long as you do "sudo depmod" the module can be found
[00:05] <TJ-> de-facto: dkms calls depmod so that should be covered
[00:07] <de-facto> TJ- i read systemd does not support options in /etc/modules so i put in only v4l2loopback and create /etc/modprobe.d/v4l2loopback.conf with "options v4l2loopback devices=1 video_nr=0 card_label="loopback0" exclusive_caps=1" in it. lets see if it loads with reboot
[00:09] <de-facto> it seems to load
[00:10] <TJ-> de-facto: so /etc/init.d/kmod is being ignored, and systemd changes the way /etc/modules is parsed? What is the world coming to!
[00:12] <de-facto> TJ- seems like it does indeed, i read the hint here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627949
[00:13] <TJ-> de-facto: systemd shouldn't being handling files provided by other packages, that breaks the rules on Debian packaging, as well as being common sense
[00:14] <TJ-> de-facto: "man modules" says nothing about systemd handling it - very annoying
[00:14] <de-facto> TJ-, at least "systemctl status kmod" seems happy now. weird indeed, yet tbh with systemd im not surprised at all
[00:18] <de-facto> TJ- thanks for you help :)
[00:18] <TJ-> de-facto: thanks for teaching me something new :)
[00:47] <net_tec>     /part
[00:53] <swift110> sup
[00:56] <Demp28> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[01:12] <jimby18> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[01:12] <jimby18> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[01:15] <ripazha18> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[01:24] <cavillis> hi all, hoping to get some help on a 16.04 -> 18.04 upgrade. I have 1 package not "fully installed or removed" and I see this output just before it fails: "/usr/bin/mpd: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.146: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[01:24] <cavillis> i tried installing libx264-146 but apt says its old and theres no candidate for my version
[01:30] <Bashing-om> !info mpd
[01:33] <cavillis> ah cool just removed it. thanks
[01:49] <AuroraAvenue> Trying to get a Windows XP.vmdk to work under vm ware, but get a ' 3 VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED (-1908) - The support driver is not installed. On linux, open returned ENOENT. ' error - is that a kernel issue?
[01:50] <oerheks> vmware or xp issue.
[01:55] <k_sze[work]> I still don't see Bionic offered when doing `sudo do-release-upgrade` in Xenial. Is that normal?
[01:55] <gracious1> Hello. I was wondering if anyone could answer a question for me. The question is posted here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1063361/how-do-i-change-image-tab-information-on-a-downloaded-icon-png
[02:01] <gracious1> Am I able to send to this channel?
[02:02] <k_sze[work]> gracious1: yes, you just need to wait for someone who is able to help.
[02:03] <gracious1> Just asking cuz I went to #palemoon, and I got messages: "Cannot send to channel". I don't why that is or how to configure things so that I can send to the channel.
[02:03] <gracious1> I don't know if that's an appropriate question to ask here, but if it is and someone could help me with that, too, I would appreciate it.
[02:06] <k_sze[work]> gracious1: probably because your nickname has not been registered yet.
[02:07] <gracious1> Ok, sorry for the dumb question, but how do I do that?
[02:07] <swift110> hmm
[02:07] <k_sze[work]> gracious1: /msg nickserv register your@email.address your_password
[02:08] <gracious1> OK, trying that...
[02:08] <k_sze[work]> oops
[02:08] <gracious1> hmmm
[02:08] <k_sze[work]> the other way around: password first, then e-mail address
[02:08] <gracious1> okay
[02:09] <gracious1> Ok, I sent the command. Now what?
[02:09] <k_sze[work]> Once your nickname has been registered, you need to do `/msg nickserv identify your_password` everytime you connect to Freenode in the future.
[02:10] <yougre> oerheks, late 4 you?
[02:10] <k_sze[work]> gracious1: I *think* freenode will send a confirmation message to your e-mail address.
[02:10] <gracious1> ok, checking…
[02:11] <amnew> Hello
[02:12] <tryatububuntu> hi
[02:13] <gracious1> k_sze[work]: Just checked email, didn't see confirmation message.
[02:14] <gracious1> Are you sure it is /msg nickserv register PASSWORD EMAIL ?
[02:14] <tryatububuntu> same problem..just tries registering on freenode
[02:16] <k_sze[work]> gracious1: yes, I'm sure. NickServ should have replied to you when you sent that message anyway.
[02:19] <gracious1> Hmmm... I have no replies from freenode at all.
[02:20] <gracious1> Oh wait! I got something from freenode, but it wasn't through email. It was on the freenode connection page of this IRC program.
[02:21] <gracious1> It says that I should have gotten the email.
[02:23] <gracious1> But I have not received this email.
[02:29] <k_sze[work]> It may take a while. Also check your spam folder.
[02:32] <gracious1> Strangely, Freenode is telling me that I am registered.
[02:36] <chum> having trouble getting pulseaudio to startup, anybody else experience this before? i'm on 18.04 and everything was working fine yesterday. now no input and output devices show and i am unable to get to pavucontrol and the speaker icon does not exist
[02:36] <decay14> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[02:38] <gt8ost4l> does anybody know how to check if BCM4312 wireless driver for ubuntu 18.04 is installed?
[02:52] <k_sze[work]> gracious1: then you should be fine.
[02:52] <Fretegi> hwody
[02:52] <Fretegi> howdy
[02:52] <k_sze[work]> try rejoining the palemoon channel and you should be given voice.
[02:53] <Fretegi> anyone successfully gotten optimus to work correctly in 18.04 whereby it thoroughly shuts off the discreet gpu?
[02:53] <gracious1> k_sze[work] nope, no voice
[02:54] <hggdh> gracious1: please /join #freenode, and ask there
[02:56] <Fretegi> any ideas for the nouveau driver even?  just need to get the battery life back to where it was on this laptop with 16.04
[03:04] <Alucard4200> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[03:10] <gracious1> k_sze[work] got email, identified, problem solved. Thx for your help!
[03:18] <_alx_> is there a way to pass just tty to chvt when openvt gives you a Virtual Console without a number?
[03:22] <Harzilein23> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[03:38] <pmn> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[03:50] <klandestine> does anyone know where to get a free geolocation database?
[03:52] <mwsb> MaxMind has one available. The paid one is definitely better though
[03:54] <klandestine> I was just looking at IP2Location but it only has suupport for routeless 169.0/24 addresses
[04:00] <tomreyn> klandestine: apt-cache search --names-only geoip | grep ^geoip
[04:03] <guest> hello
[04:03] <guest> wttos is here
[04:04] <tomreyn> hello guest, what brings you here today?
[04:05] <guest> st commentts on some linux distro that works on old pc this a e machine 32 bit cpu uses watts os 32 bit
[04:06] <guest> i think watts os is awsome
[04:07] <qwebirc75826> hi
[04:07] <tomreyn> guest: we only support and discuss ubuntu here
[04:07] <tomreyn> guest: it can run on 32 bit
[04:08] <qwebirc75826> sure am new to ubuntu and am trying to install ubuntu through USB
[04:08] <qwebirc75826> i made my usb bootable using rufus 3.1
[04:08] <guest> wttos is based on ubuntu is ubuntu
[04:08] <guest> mean watts os
[04:08] <tomreyn> guest: no, it is not ubuntu
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> !derivatives | guest
[04:09] <tomreyn> hi qwebirc75826
[04:09] <qwebirc75826> but when i boot it says "isolinux.bin is missing or corrupt "
[04:09] <qwebirc75826> hi Tomreyn
[04:09] <guest> ok where should i go
[04:09] <qwebirc75826> can u help me with the error am facing while am trying to install ubuntu
[04:09] <tomreyn> guest: to a place where 'watts OS' is supported
[04:09] <guest> o
[04:10] <guest> ok
[04:10] <tomreyn> guestt: alternatively,  you could install ubuntu, then we can support you here.
[04:10] <qwebirc75826> @tomreyn can u help me with my installation
[04:11] <tomreyn> qwebirc75826: what is the name of the ISO file you downloaded? and which size is it, in bytes?
[04:13] <tomreyn> qwebirc75826: still there?
[04:13] <qwebirc75826> ubuntu18.04-desktop-amd64.iso size : 1,78bGB
[04:13] <qwebirc75826> yes am @tomreyn
[04:14] <tomreyn> qwebirc75826: okay, this isn't the latest version. i suggest you download 18.04.1 instead
[04:14] <tomreyn> also, which computer is this? exact model number if possible
[04:15] <qwebirc75826> its hp
[04:15] <qwebirc75826> running windows 8.1
[04:16] <qwebirc75826> processor : Intel Pentium CPU N3540 @ 2.16GHz
[04:17] <qwebirc75826> trying with the latest version vl fix it ?
[04:18] <tomreyn> worth a try
[04:20] <Fretegi> good evening
[04:22] <tomreyn> hi Fretegi
[04:22] <qwebirc75826> model number : HP Notebook - 15-r250tu
[04:23] <Fretegi> tomreyn, howdy.  perhaps you can help me.  trying to get ubuntu 18.04 to fully shut off my discreet grpahics card on an optimus hybrid nvidia laptop gpu setup
[04:23] <tomreyn> qwebirc75826: ok, so download 18.04.1, i think it will work. i suggest you write it using the http://etcher.io software
[04:23] <qwebirc75826> thanks tomreyn i vl try with the latest version.. thanks for your advice.
[04:24] <tomreyn> Fretegi: hehe, that's funny, i helped someone else doing the exact same thing yesterday.
[04:24] <Fretegi> tomreyn, wahoo :)
[04:24] <Fretegi> so i have gotten it a bit better, but powertop still reports over 20w draw and batter still off by about 1.5 hours run time
[04:24] <Fretegi> what was your trick?
[04:25] <Fretegi> i dont care whether its nouveau or nvidia driver
[04:25] <tomreyn> Fretegi: not mine, theirs: echo 'auto' > '/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/control';
[04:26] <tomreyn> Fretegi: but this will only work if this is actually your nvidia card
[04:26] <Goop> How much money would I have to pay to get a opensource project to get a good start on any major Linux distro repository?
[04:26] <Goop> That is, for labor of software developers.
[04:26] <tomreyn> !ot | Goop
[04:26] <Fretegi> tomreyn, lspci reports the same for the nvidia gpu
[04:27] <Fretegi> on mine
[04:27] <Fretegi> so what does that command do?
[04:27] <tomreyn> Fretegi: i makes linux power down the device at this pci slot
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> Goop: contact canonical, they have all kinds of payed services
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> !canonical | Goop
[04:29] <Fretegi> tomreyn, hmmm... still running hi load on powertop
[04:29] <Fretegi> how about this
[04:30] <Fretegi> how about blacklist noveau?
[04:30] <tomreyn> Fretegi: right, you need this, too
[04:31] <Fretegi> and to do that i just add nouveau.blacklist=1 to /etc/default/grub and update grub right?
[04:32] <Crowbro> Question. My laptop just died, assuming the HD is fine would it boot if I just put it in a desktop?
[04:33] <tomreyn> Fretegi: yes, this works. adding it to the modprobe blacklist configuration files and updating your initrd would work too.
[04:34] <tomreyn> Fretegi: here's the chat with 'beta4' (search for it): https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/08/05/%23ubuntu.html https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/08/07/%23ubuntu.html
[04:34] <Fretegi> whats the best way, apparently grub does like what i did there ha
[04:34] <Fretegi> tomreyn, /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 13: /etc/default/grub: nouveau.blacklist=1: not found
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> Crowbro: whats your endgoal please? data rescue?
[04:35] <Goop> Is it possible to make a system, partition, file system or directory's contents not erase-able without root permission? Like, it can be written to and read, but not erase-able.
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | Goop
[04:36] <tomreyn> Fretegi: what does line 13 say?
[04:36] <Crowbro> I'd like my data back and if the HD's good why not use it again?
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | Crowbro sudo photorec after install
[04:37] <Fretegi> tomreyn, nouveau.blacklist=1
[04:38] <tomreyn> Fretegi: well you need to add this to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT variable
[04:39] <tomreyn> Fretegi: run: cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:39] <Goop> lotuspsychje, sorry I do not see a part where I can make something writable but not delete-able.
[04:39] <Fretegi> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/dEnPZNNa
[04:39] <Fretegi> was already pasting as you typed ha
[04:40] <Fretegi> tomreyn, http://termbin.com/97h4 if preferred
[04:40] <tomreyn> Fretegi: take what you placed in line 13 and move it to the ende of line 10, before the trailing quotation mark.
[04:40] <Fretegi> tomreyn, oh the grub_command_line one eh>
[04:40] <tomreyn> but add a blank space after 'splash'
[04:41] <Fretegi> ah
[04:41] <Crowbro> Are you guys saying I install then use that command to get files back?
[04:42] <illuminated> ok, so.. am I understanding correctly that all user session related stuff is put into cgroups following these conventions:  each user with a session has a user-uid sub-slice of the main user.slice.   Then each 'session' is recorded in a session-#.scope scope.
[04:42] <Fretegi> tomreyn, ok thanks, rebooting now
[04:42] <tomreyn> Crowbro: if the disk is fine, then the data will be accessible form the other computer running the same or a compatible linux distribution and version.
[04:43] <tomreyn> Crowbro: it may or may be bootable there, too, depends on a couple factors.
[04:43] <tomreyn> *may or may not
[04:44] <Goop> Let's say I run an organization where there a clients that are paying. I want to have a backup system, so that if an attacker deletes all the evidence of debts, credits, invoices, and records of business, I have a backup to rollback to. I am thinking if I have a system that is always being added to and cannot have records deleted, I would be safe from that kind of attack.
[04:45] <Crowbro> But ideally it would boot even though the hardware is different?
[04:46] <tomreyn> Crowbro: may work, yes
[04:47] <Fretegi> tomreyn, same
[04:47] <Fretegi> 20w
[04:47] <tomreyn> Crowbro: the main factor is whether both systems are configured for legacy bios or uefi boot.
[04:47] <tomreyn> Fretegi: and you powered it down again?
[04:47] <Fretegi> yup
[04:48] <tomreyn> Fretegi: so we must be missing somethign else beta4 and i did. i suggest you review the chat log. the relevant part on the 5th starts at 14:40
[04:49] <Fretegi> tomreyn, and oddly it shows off per bbswitch   o:~$ cat /proc/acpi/bbswitch
[04:49] <Fretegi> 0000:01:00.0 OFF
[04:49] <tomreyn> Fretegi: and on the 7th they reported <beta4_> and wow, my laptopo is now down to 12W idle, and the battery can last up to 4 hours
[04:49] <Fretegi> but power draw is twice that of 16.04
[04:50] <tomreyn> Fretegi: lsmod shows neither nouveau nor nvidia, right?
[04:50] <Crowbro> Ohh, I think that was new enough to have a uefi bios...
[04:52] <Fretegi> tomreyn, shows nvidia
[04:52] <tomreyn> Fretegi: well, then it's no surpirse ;)
[04:53] <Fretegi> but why is the question
[04:53] <tomreyn> uninstall nvidia, or at least black list it, too, by replacing what you just added to grub by: module_blacklist=nouveau,nvidia
[04:54] <Thanos> anyone running an amd 2400g with ubuntu? working well?
[04:55] <MrSassyPants> short question, if security is my primary concern, what browser would you recommend
[04:57] <tomreyn> MrSassyPants: https://lwn.net/Articles/262570/
[04:59] <MrSassyPants> Yes, but something that actually serves as a web browser, not a circuitous way to skim through curls output
[05:01] <Crowbro> Anyone using an ultrawide monitor?
[05:01] <tomreyn> MrSassyPants: maybe download with wegt and watch with lynx?
[05:02] <Crowbro> Is there a simple way to get ultrawides to work right?
[05:03] <tomreyn> Crowbro: you connect them to your computer
[05:04] <Crowbro> Haha, maybe it's because I'm running in trial, and the resolution selection is limited.
[05:05] <tomreyn> Crowbro: by trial, you mean the installer / live ISO?
[05:05] <Thanos> I wouldn't have anything but an ultrawide any more.
[05:05] <Crowbro> yah
[05:05] <Thanos> <3 ultrawide
[05:05] <tomreyn> Crowbro: could well be then. also, the specific driver for your video card may not have been loaded, yet
[05:06] <tomreyn> Crowbro: so try installing it and see it it works any better then. installing doesn't take very long.
[05:06] <Fretegi> tomreyn, hmm still no better
[05:06] <Fretegi> tomreyn, anything u know of regaring using nouveau instead?
[05:06] <qwebirc80813> Hey all. Anyone good with network stuff around? The TorGuard VPN app messed up my settings and now I don't have any interest access.
[05:07] <tomreyn> Crowbro: you could also install to a second usb stick if you're not ready to replace your existing installation on internal storage, yet.
[05:07] <tomreyn> Fretegi: i can repeat myself again: there must have been another ingredient to making it work, which will be on the chat log i pointed you to.
[05:08] <Fretegi> yup reading thm now
[05:12] <Crowbro> You read my mind, I kinda need both of these machines to run windows. Thanks for the help.
[05:17] <mpl0de> net
[05:17] <Fretegi> ok im gonna try a reinstall
[05:17] <Fretegi> bbiab
[05:17] <Fretegi> thanks for the help
[05:19] <tomreyn> !pm | gt8ost4l
[05:22] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn, its simple my wifi disconnect after a certain time im in ubuntu 18.04 my wireless card is AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter driver r8169
[05:23] <qwebirc80813> When I try to connect with WiFi I'm getting a DEAUTH_LEAVING error in dmesg. I'm pretty sure the TorGuard VPN client caused to issue. Anyone around that can help me diagnosed the issue?
[05:30] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: i'm looking at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1743279 - but it's apparently fixed - maybe check your firmware is getting loaded (dmesg | grep firmware) and is the right version
[05:33] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: ignore this, this bug report is about s different hardware
[05:34] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l:do you use bluetooth?
[05:35] <Guest80210> Yo
[05:35] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn, no
[05:36] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: can you: lsusb | pastebinit
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> jdwee: welcome, how can we help you today?
[05:38] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn, i get an error!
[05:38] <jdwee> Not too sure if this is exaclty the right place to ask, but
[05:39] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: install pastebinit if iT's not yert installed
[05:39] <jdwee> Where do I find the cache folder of spotify on 18.04 ?
[05:39] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | gt8ost4l
[05:39] <jdwee> It is starting to eat me some space disk.
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> jdwee: whereis spotify from terminal
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> jdwee: there is also a handy disk analyze tool on ubuntu, to see the data load on your harddisk
[05:42] <tomreyn> !info baobab | jdwee
[05:43] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZTfxDFCwDX/
[05:43] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: also 'lspci -nn | pastebinit' and 'sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy*/ath9k/antenna_diversity | pastebinit'
[05:46] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn, lspci -nn | pastebinit: command not found
[05:47] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: install 'pciutils', then try again
[05:48] <jdwee> did all the folder in /snap/spotify/ there is no cache folder over there. going to take a look at the disk usage analyser.
[05:48] <gt8ost4l> it says its already installed
[05:49] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: and pastebinit is installed, too?
[05:49] <gt8ost4l> yes
[05:49] <brethil0> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[05:49] <brethil0> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[05:49] <brethil0> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[05:50] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: "lspci -nn | pastebinit" works without error, her. did you type it incorrectly, maybe?
[05:50] <tomreyn> *herE
[05:51] <Grepps> Hello, I am on a newish windows 10 machine, I created a seperate 50GB partition to install ubuntu - I created an install disk and booted, tried to install in the partition but something broke.
[05:51] <gt8ost4l> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f6JYRbrTGN/
[05:51] <Grepps> The bios never saw the HDD where ubuntu was installed as bootable, windows simply crashed on load
[05:51] <Grepps> I had to do a system restore.
[05:51] <Grepps> What happened?
[05:52] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: so what was different this time?
[05:52] <Grepps> I read something about EUFI or w\e causing issues and you should install from USB drive but I dont really understand if that's the core problem
[05:52] <Grepps> Basically I don't think grub ever worked
[05:52] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn, what do you mean?
[05:53] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: you said the command which worked now did not work before
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | Grepps
[05:54] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn, it was because you blotted it
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> Grepps: idle here until EriC^^ is awake he might know
[05:54] <Grepps> How do I know if my install is UEFI?
[05:54] <EriC^^> hi Grepps lotuspsychje
[05:54] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: i had a typo? sorry then.
[05:54] <Grepps> My bios has the option to boot as either EUFI or legacy + EUFI
[05:54] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: can you post the remaining output?
[05:55] <jdwee> yes well I didn't looked correctly because I see a .cache folder in /spotify/common
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> !yay | jdwee
[05:55] <jdwee> with the disk usage analyser
[05:55] <jdwee> so thank you.
[05:55] <Grepps> I had hoped it would be easier to install, but it doesn't seem like it.
[05:55] <Grepps> >:<
[05:55] <EriC^^> Grepps: after installing what happened?
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> Grepps: dualboot with uefi, is always a bit finetuning
[05:55] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn, i dis scroll up
[05:55] <gt8ost4l> did
[05:56] <Grepps> Ok, well the system went to boot, windows tried to start and it crashed
[05:56] <Grepps> There was no grub
[05:56] <Grepps> Or didn't appear to be at least
 gt8ost4l: also 'lspci -nn | pastebinit' and 'sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy*/ath9k/antenna_diversity | pastebinit'
[05:56] <EriC^^> Grepps: sounds like uefi issues
[05:56] <Grepps> A window kind of flashed but idk, couldnt really see it
[05:56] <EriC^^> Grepps: is ubuntu still installed int he partititon?
[05:56] <EriC^^> *partition
[05:57] <Grepps> It was installed in a seperate partition on a different hardrive from the windows install
[05:57] <EriC^^> aha
[05:57] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: your last paste was http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f6JYRbrTGN/ - which is the "lspci -nn | pastebinit" output. we lack 'sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy*/ath9k/antenna_diversity | pastebinit'
[05:57] <EriC^^> Grepps: is it still there?
[05:58] <Grepps> I since deleted it in my frantic attempt to have windows boot up again, since I couldn't even get any sort of boot from Ubuntu
[05:58] <EriC^^> aha
[05:59] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZHqZh9bZYp/
[05:59] <Grepps> I assumed that since it was on a seperate hard drive and partition from the windows install nothing could go wrong
[05:59] <Grepps> I was obviously wrong.
[05:59] <gt8ost4l> the second one gave me an error
[06:00] <erwinnovo> hello everyone
[06:00] <Grepps> I got windows to load again though after a system restore but yea, I don't want to have it crash again
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> erwinnovo: welcome to ubuntu support, how can we assist you?
[06:00] <erwinnovo> how to I solve this error that I got after I made a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:00] <erwinnovo> https://pastebin.com/WjYBrWqV
[06:01] <erwinnovo> *how do I solve sorry
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> erwinnovo: you added external ppa's to your system right
[06:01] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: yes I did
[06:01] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: is that one causing the error
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> easyOnMe: try to revert your sources.list back to original vanilla with ppapurge
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | easyOnMe
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> easyOnMe: after you cleaned it all up, sudo apt update again
[06:02] <EriC^^> Grepps: your assumptions are right, something else might have happened
[06:02] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: If I use the command you gave will it cause any issues with the already installed applications
[06:03] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: you just posted the same link again
[06:03] <EriC^^> Grepps: did you try shrinking the windows partition before installing ubuntu? etc
[06:03] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: let's try this another time, i need to catch some sleep.
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> easyOnMe: yes, removing ppa's influence their installed packages too
[06:03] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: would they asked me to add them again later in the ppa
[06:03] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn, will you be here tomorrow
[06:03] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: you can read this in the meantime https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/ath9k/antennadiversity
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> easyOnMe: we dont support external ppa's here, because they scramble your system, like today
[06:03] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: so you mean some applications will no longer run
[06:04] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: I see, understand
[06:04] <Grepps> I didn't touch the HDD windows is installed in, I shrunk my mass storage drive by 50GB
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> easyOnMe: indeed, we reccomend to use only official ubuntu packages from the repo
[06:04] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: but those errors will not cause any major issues with my laptop right
[06:04] <Grepps> How do I check in windows if my system is installed using UEFI mode?
[06:04] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: i'll be aroun dhere sometime tomorrow. but i'm just one of many folks here who can assist you with this.
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> easyOnMe: if you cleanup your sources, im sure you can fix this
[06:04] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: will do so
[06:04] <Grepps> I built the computer and intalled with a disk
[06:04] <easyOnMe> I will find a way
[06:04] <easyOnMe> thanks
[06:04] <EriC^^> Grepps: look at the disk management and see if it's a gpt type or if you have an ESP or efi partition at the start
[06:04] <pilottage> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[06:04] <pilottage> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> easyOnMe: just keep in mind, external ppa's are also a security risk (could)
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | easyOnMe
[06:05] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: keep those urls ready for when you'll ask again
[06:05] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: Ok thanks on this
[06:05] <easyOnMe> :)
[06:05] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn, i will catch you later
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> easyOnMe: in the future if you like more packages you cant find, try !backports or snaps
[06:06] <Grepps> Currently it's unformmated I think
[06:06] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: where do I get them or how do I do that
[06:07] <easyOnMe> any online tutorial
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> easyOnMe: you can find snaps just on software centre too, or from terminal: sudo snap find keyword
[06:09] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: are backports and snap similar to Mac AppStore
[06:09] <korvak> hi guys, what is the best irc that you recomend?
[06:09] <EriC^> korvak: hexchat
[06:09] <EriC^> korvak: irssi or weechat if you want a cli client
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> easyOnMe: not really
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> !backports | easyOnMe
[06:10] <korvak> thanks, I've just installed pidgin
[06:10] <Gwen_Dolin> I love hexchat, it's just not as easy to use as some of the other irc clients.
[06:10] <korvak> why isn't a straight way to install it through apt?
[06:10] <Gwen_Dolin> It REALLY helps to know python.
[06:11] <korvak> Ic
[06:11] <AHemlocksLie> I'm running Ubuntu Budgie, and I'm trying to track the source of some screen flickering between new monitor and new GPU. I checked top and found Xorg using a TON of CPU, sometimes over 90%, whenever i do basically anything. If I don't touch anything at all, it falls down to about a percent or so, but if I use the mouse at all, it quickly climbs up to 80+% CPU, sometimes fully topping out
[06:11] <korvak> I might try hexchat, but looks like pidgin is doing the job pretty good, I thought it was dx since there was no deb in apt
[06:12] <Gwen_Dolin> Running an old version of mIRC in WINE works well too.  lol
[06:12] <pap> hey, i am having issues with an ipod touch not synching with neither banshee or gtkpod,, any ideas?
[06:13] <AHemlocksLie> The high CPU seems to be linked to graphical stuttering, especially noticeable if I'm moving anything like a window or playing video. As far as I can tell, nothing intense is going on, but the Xorg process is gobbling up CPU
[06:13] <Grepps> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[06:13] <Gwen_Dolin> pap: O'
[06:13] <JimBuntu> korvak, Which version OS are you using as I see pidgin available via apt for 14.03 and 16.04
[06:13] <Grepps> Man this is going to be a pain in the ass
[06:13] <korvak> 16.04
[06:13] <JimBuntu> oops, 14.04 I mean
[06:13] <EriC^^> Grepps: it's very easy, and educational :P
[06:13] <Gwen_Dolin> pap: I'd say go find an apple support chat, but apple users aren't usually that intelligent as it is.
[06:14] <korvak> I was able to install pidgin through backports ppa
[06:14] <Grepps> Well it's not clear at this point what I should even do since my bios has the option to boot in both modes
[06:14] <illuminated> quassel is not bad
[06:14] <JimBuntu> korvak, did you not see pidgin available via apt-get ?
[06:14] <Grepps> legacy and uefi
[06:14] <Grepps> and I don't know what I am currently using
[06:14] <EriC^^> Grepps: uefi implementations on pc's are different on each one, some require you to "trust" a new entry( like acer ) others you need to manually modify the list from the bios, etc
[06:15] <EriC^^> Grepps: boot a live usb and i can tell you
[06:15] <korvak> JimBuntu: I went to the piding website and they said that you needed to build from source
[06:15] <korvak> so I thought there was no package in apt
[06:15] <korvak> actually I never checked
[06:16] <korvak> I added the ppa and installed the latest version in their repo
[06:16] <JimBuntu> korvak, possibly, if you want the latest untested by canonical version... if you want the version that is approved/tested by Canonical/Ubuntu then it's a simple apt-get install pidgin
[06:16] <Grepps> Since my compute has a legacy boot option can't I do that"
[06:16] <Grepps> >
[06:17] <korvak> JimBuntu: you know what version is at?
[06:17] <guiverc> korvak, you can search yourself, eg. https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pidgin
[06:17] <JimBuntu> korvak, 1.3.0.0
[06:18] <JimBuntu> korvak, please note, if you have any issues with pidgin at this point, you will need to take that up with them and not in #ubuntu if you are using a version not provided by Ubuntu
[06:19] <JimBuntu> ooops. Not 1.3.0.0, 3.0.0
[06:20] <korvak> really, I don't see 3.0.0, but 2.10.12 for 16.04
[06:21] <korvak> anyway 2.10.12 is really old, I guess I'll stick with 2.12 for now.
[06:22] <JimBuntu> korvak, my version numbering is base on my `apt-get showpkg pidgin` command, versus what I see listed by packages.ubuntu.com. While I doubt that I have a PPA configured, it's possible... I lean more toward the numbering being different in name though
[06:22] <rangemonger> once i enable iommu in grub, i can not longer boot ubuntu
[06:22] <Grepps> I will deal with this tommorow, time for bed
[06:23] <rangemonger> i know my board/cpu supports it, i used to have it working
[06:23] <korvak> got it thanks, yeah was looking at their bitbucket repo, and latest is 2.13
[06:23] <rangemonger> the only difference is that i recently added some cards in
[06:24] <rangemonger> of course any assistance would be appreciated
[06:28] <JimBuntu> korvak, on a different note... did you find a reference to bitbucket at pidgin.im ? They seem to officially use SourceForge
[06:28] <easyOnMe> I am just wonderin earlier I was able to use my keyboard
[06:28] <easyOnMe> well
[06:29] <JimBuntu> nevermind, I see in their release notes that they have started advertising bitbucket there
[06:29] <korvak> https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/UsingPidginMercurial
[06:29] <korvak> yep
[06:29] <korvak> I wish they wouldn't have dropped support for pidgin
[06:29] <easyOnMe> just now for some reason the letter h and some other letters are not workin as well as the backspace key
[06:29] <korvak> for Linux I mean
[06:29] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: try "xev" to see if they're registering
[06:29] <easyOnMe> the letter h I am pastin it each I need it
[06:30] <korvak> to get the latest projects
[06:30] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: is that a command on the terminal
[06:30] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: yes
[06:31] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m9XZWnVBzd/
[06:31] <easyOnMe> I am not sure what to make of that
[06:31] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: after typing "xev" try pressing buttons
[06:32] <EriC^^> it should say what you pressed and show the keycode and name of assigned button
[06:32] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: ok now they are working
[06:32] <easyOnMe> what exactly just happened
[06:33] <easyOnMe> This has been happening quick frequently this week
[06:33] <EriC^^> *shrug*
[06:34] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: Thanks :)
[06:34] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: Now I know what to do already... :)
[06:34] <jayjo> what does `cut -d " " -f1` do in bash/
[06:34] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: no problem :)
[06:35] <EriC^^> jayjo: it assigns " " as a delimiter and shows the first field
[06:35] <EriC^^> (technically it's not bash, it's a program)
[06:35] <illuminated> jayjo:  cut -d(elimiter) being a 'space' -f(ield) 1.
[06:38] <illuminated> jayjo basically it takes a string like "a dog barks" and seperates the string into columns based on the delimiter... so -d " " (a space) would create 3 columns.. containing "a" "dog" "barks" and -f# tells you which column you want to retrieve.
[06:40] <Fretegi> tomreyn, ok, so fresh install.  followed what i found fron that chat, got the discharge rate to between 17-20 .  still double what it ought to be... at a loss...
[06:40] <illuminated> jayjo: with a string like a:dog:barks and a -d ":" it would also create 3 colums containing "a" "dog" "barks"
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> Fretegi: tomreyn is afk for a while
[06:42] <Fretegi> lotuspsychje, ah, thanks appreciate that
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> Fretegi: perhaps re-ask your issue in the channel, others might have a look where you left?
[06:44] <Fretegi> brb gonna reboot and see if i fixed it
[06:47] <eraserpencil_> wow...those spammers
[06:48] <eraserpencil_> nmcli is asking for a 'passwd-file' but I cant find that file anywhere
[06:48] <eraserpencil_> would anyone know where it is located?
[06:52] <rangemonger> where would one go to see a log of the system booting? when i enable iommu it fails to go past grub, just goes black
[06:53] <edmoore> sorry if everyone keeps asking this already, but we (in my time zone) will soon be entering the first week since 18.04.1 was release, and still no sign of the ltsupgrade - is there something different going on with this release or is this normal? Had pencilled upgrading the work machines in this gap before we start a new project next week
[06:55] <edmoore> sorry, we will soon be entering the _third_ week since the release
[06:55] <acheronuk> edmoore: there are some upgrades bugs to confirm are fixed, before the upgrades are turned on. hopefully won't be long
[07:04] <EriC^^> rangemonger: you could remove "quiet splash" in the kernel line and put "verbose" instead
[07:05] <sar_aS> Hi I currently have the "/" partition in sda2 with a capacity of 100GB. Can I take 50GB from there to create a new partition?
[07:06] <kezimo|2> sar_aS: partition magic it comes in a bootable iso
[07:06] <rangemonger> ericus: thanks, ill try that, though im not sure it even gets to that point
[07:07] <rangemonger> *EriC^^: ^
[07:08] <rangemonger> when i had just an xfi in the tower, i could vt-d it no prob, now that i have 2 geforces and a audigy as well, turning iommu on just stops the boot process cold
[07:12] <EriC^^> sar_aS: yes, boot a live usb and shrink it from gparted
[07:22] <rangemonger> EriC^^: as i suspected, after changing it to verbose i still get nothing, i just goes black the moment i hit f10 to boot it
[07:28] <rangemonger> is it possible to disable pcie cards on grub?
[07:33] <touil76> Hello. Does anyone know how to prevent ubuntu 16.04 to totally hang on a X200MA acer laptop ?
[07:34] <EriC^^> touil76: where is it hanging?
[07:34] <touil76> randomly, after some time of use.
[07:35] <rangemonger> wonder if thats a bay trail thing, it happens on my tab sometimes
[07:35] <EriC^^> touil76: can you upload "cat /var/log/kern.log" ?
[07:35] <touil76> It works perfectly well for some time, can be 8 hours, more, or 2h, or a few minutes.
[07:36] <touil76> I am not on this computer. I am going to look at this log.
[07:37] <touil76> For information, I tried to add the max_idle_cstate=1 (or something like that) to the parameters, but it doesn't prevent the laptop to hang.
[07:40] <touil76> What should I look for in kern.log ?
[07:41] <vali> touil76: I think it's coming from your gpu
[07:41] <vali> I had this issue with some laptop in the past..
[07:41] <touil76> The GPU is a i915 from intel I think.
[07:43] <vali> hmm
[07:43] <vali> that should be ok
[07:43] <vali> I had similiar issues with an external one
[07:47] <ep4sh> hi there! could somebody help me with grub?
[07:48] <TaylorHere> Hi,Guys, I got a issues here, my /etc/suders broken, and there is no password for root, is there any solution?
[07:49] <ep4sh> hi Taylor
[07:49] <TaylorHere> hi
[07:49] <ep4sh> what does mean "broken" ?
[07:49] <ep4sh> change it with visudo - it checks syntax
[07:49] <touil76> I think I forgot to update grub before adding the max_cstate parameter... ooops
[07:50] <ep4sh> u can flush root password
[07:51] <touil76> rangemonger: the bay trail thing, is this what makes me need to add the max cstate parameter ?
[07:51] <TaylorHere> synx err in that file
[07:51] <TaylorHere> syntax err
[07:52] <ep4sh> could you paste it somewhere?
[07:52] <EriC^^> ep4sh: what's the issue you're having?
[07:52] <TaylorHere> how can I flush my root password?
[07:53] <EriC^^> TaylorHere: boot into recovery mode
[07:53] <ep4sh> https://www.wikihow.com/Change-the-Root-Password-in-Linux
[07:53] <ep4sh> look here
[07:53] <EriC^^> TaylorHere: hold shift to get grub, go to advanced > recovery
[07:53] <TaylorHere> ex (~ChaiTRex@gateway/tor-sasl/chaitrex) has joined
[07:54] <EriC^^> TaylorHere: from there, go to "drop to root shell" then type "mount -o remount,rw /" then fix the sudoers file
[07:54] <ChaiTRex> TaylorHere: Yes.
[07:55] <TaylorHere> no permission to boot..
[07:55] <EriC^^> TaylorHere: what?
[07:56] <TaylorHere> it's a aws ec2 instance.
[07:56] <EriC^^> so you can't access grub?
[07:56] <EriC^^> can you boot a live usb instance and access the hdd?
[07:56] <TaylorHere> nope.
[07:56] <EriC^^> then you need a 0-day!
[07:57] <EriC^^> has the root password been set?
[07:57] <TaylorHere> no.
[07:57] <ep4sh> Eric, i want to rescue my grub.
[07:57] <ep4sh> when i boot from /dev/sdd --- it is okay
[07:57] <ep4sh> but when i eject /dev/sdd and boot form /dev/sdc - i enter RESQUE MODE - i list my partitions and try to ls (hd0,2)/
[07:57] <ep4sh> But got en error:
[07:57] <ep4sh> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4YZgzbFjV9/
[07:58] <TaylorHere> I just reinstall my system..
[07:58] <ep4sh> Taylor, sudo -i ?
[07:59] <ep4sh> and then change root password:
[07:59] <ep4sh> passwd
[08:02] <TaylorHere> no way to use sudo
[08:03] <TaylorHere> thx anyway.
[08:03] <TaylorHere> I just terminate it.
[08:03] <ep4sh> you can paste your /etc/sudoers - lets loot
[08:03] <ep4sh> lets look*
[08:04] <ep4sh> hhhm
[08:05] <ep4sh> orr....you need physical access to your PC to flush password.. there is no another  way :)
[08:06] <EriC^^> ep4sh: ok, are you booted right now?
[08:08] <ep4sh> yes, it boots well, when i start my PC i see in my UEFI 1 loader
[08:08] <EriC^^> ep4sh: ok, type "cat /etc/fstab; sudo blkid" and paste the results
[08:11] <EriC^^> ep4sh: i think the efi partition in sdc isn't formatted properly or something and is empty
[08:11] <ep4sh> Here you are
[08:11] <ep4sh> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/92f2B2vJKx/
[08:11] <ep4sh> Thanks for help
[08:12] <ep4sh> Some strings i cut out
[08:12] <EriC^^> ep4sh: also, if your uefi is set to look for the file in sdd, it would use the partition id, and if sdc has a different id, then it would break and give a grub rescue>
[08:12] <ep4sh> but i want to say
[08:12] <ep4sh> that my disks are in MBR
[08:13] <ep4sh> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7g2yZ5Y38P/
[08:13] <EriC^^> ep4sh: that's no problem, ubuntu can use mbr + uefi
[08:13] <EriC^^> ep4sh: as you can see, sdc3 nd sdd3 both have different filesystem id's (uuid) and partuuid
[08:14] <EriC^^> ep4sh: will you only be using it for this install? or does the efi partition contain other stuff for other os?
[08:14] <ep4sh> no there is 1 OS
[08:15] <ep4sh> on this PC
[08:15] <EriC^^> ep4sh: ok, type "sudo nano /etc/fstab" and edit the uuid from UUID=62DA-CAB3   to   UUID=62DC-73F5
[08:16] <ep4sh> Okay, if i will lose my /dev/sdc - i will just boot from live and change /etc/fstab, isnt it?
[08:16] <EriC^^> ep4sh: yeah
[08:16] <ep4sh> thanks a lot!
[08:17] <EriC^^> ep4sh: there's still some stuff to do.. hang on :)
[08:17] <ep4sh> but 1 more question)) is an some way to do "dual boot" - or i just dont knwo how it propely call))
[08:18] <EriC^^> you mean some way you could remove sdd and it would always run without any intervention on sdc ?
[08:18] <ep4sh> yaaaa
[08:18] <ep4sh> !!)))
[08:18] <EriC^^> yeah there is, i was about to suggest it, but it possibly could get finicky and stuff
[08:18] <EriC^^> you could dd the sdd3 partition to sdc3, that way they both have the same filesystem uuid and get mounted
[08:19] <ep4sh> aaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:19] <ep4sh> UUID - it is "sticked" to filesystem
[08:19] <EriC^^> but if some updates happen on some partition, then you remove sdd, it's kinda messy i guess but i doubt anything bad would happen, you could always just boot a live usb and grub-install again so all the proper files are there
[08:19] <ep4sh> not disk!(((
[08:19] <EriC^^> ep4sh: yes, uuid is a filesystem thing
[08:20] <ep4sh> pffff))
[08:20] <ep4sh> thanks a lot, dear friend!
[08:20] <EriC^^> ep4sh: you would still have to add 2 entries to the uefi list though, cause it uses the PARTUUID to find the efi partition, not uuid
[08:20] <EriC^^> and those are saved in the MBR not the filesystem
[08:21] <qwebirc15664> When i want to reboot message is: 0.55 no Ir  handler for vector
[08:21] <qwebirc15664> 0.55 no Irq  handler for vector
[08:22] <illuminated> how do you see if you're using cgroupsv1 or v2
[08:22] <EriC^^> ep4sh: also after dd'ing the sdd3 to sdc3, you'd need to do something about /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg cause that uses the partuuid as well, it's getting kinda messy i know :)
[08:22] <ep4sh> Very usefull, thanks a lot!
[08:23] <EriC^^> ep4sh: no problem
[08:24] <qwebirc15664> When i want to reboot message is: 0.55 no Irq  handler for vector
[08:24] <ducasse> !patience | qwebirc15664
[08:25] <qwebirc57508> my ubuntu desktop 18.04 lts is not booting.
[08:26] <ppf> qwebirc57508: not booting how
[08:27] <qwebirc57508> i have installed it in my desktop alongside win 10. i have core2duo processor 2.3ghz, 500gb hdd
[08:28] <qwebirc57508> when i select ubuntu from the bootup menu, the "ubuntu" name comes in the middle of the screen and it gets stuck up.
[08:28] <ppf> qwebirc57508: press escape to see where
[08:29] <qwebirc57508> the mouse pointer remains at the right bottom of the screen, but nothing else works. However, when I had used the 'Try Ubuntu' option, it worked perfectly.
[08:31] <qwebirc15664> How to shorten in duaol boottime option
[08:31] <ppf> qwebirc57508: what mouse pointer?
[08:31] <ppf> i thought you were stuck during boot?
[08:31] <nusesc> hello
[08:33] <qwebirc57508> i am stuck during boot.
[08:33] <ppf> qwebirc57508: there's no mouse pointer during boot
[08:33] <EriC^^> qwebirc57508: is there an ubuntu logo and dots below it?
[08:33] <qwebirc57508> yes, there are dots and the mouse pointer too.
[08:33] <ppf> wat
[08:33] <EriC^^> that's pretty unheard of
[08:34] <ppf> screenshot please?
[08:34] <EriC^^> qwebirc57508: what happens if you press "ctrl+alt+f2" ?
[08:35] <EriC^^> qwebirc57508: try to boot using "nomodeset" your problem sounds like a graphics driver issue
[08:35] <qwebirc57508> Thanks Eric. Hope this solves my issue.
[08:36] <EriC^^> qwebirc57508: if it does boot, then you need to install a graphics driver that works, "sudo ubuntu-drivers devices" gives the recommended one
[08:36] <EriC^^> qwebirc57508: if it boots come back here to troubleshoot it more
[08:37] <sa_rA> hi folk
[08:37] <epic13> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:37] <epic13> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[08:38] <LookingGlassSec> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:38] <qwebirc15664> How to at dual boot shorten time option
[08:39] <ppf> so this christel must be a real bad dude
[08:39] <sa_rA> I'm trying to install the "libjson-perl" package in Ubuntu Server bionic but I get the following error: "... not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source". Any ideas ? Thank you
[08:39] <EriC^^> qwebirc15664: type "sudo nano /etc/default/grub" and change the GRUB_TIMEOUT to what you want it, then save and exit with ctrl+x and type sudo update-grub
[08:39] <sveinse> Is 18.04 ready for being upgraded from 16.04?
[08:40] <ppf> sveinse: sure
[08:40] <EriC^^> !info libjson-perl
[08:40] <EriC^^> sa_rA: is the universe repo enabled? sudo add-apt-repository universe && sudo apt-get update
[08:40] <MGD> For anyone who has installed Ubuntu on Mac hardware, have you had any luck getting the WiFi to reliably work? I’m running it on a 2008 MacPro
[08:41] <sveinse> ok, good. When 18.04 was released it was recommended to wait with migration of older LTS machines until later, perhaps 18.04.1
[08:41] <sa_rA> EriC^^: nice! it works thanks :)
[08:42] <EriC^^> sa_rA: great, no problem :)
[08:43] <ppf> sveinse: yes, 18.04.01 is out
[08:50] <MikeSpears16> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:52] <ppf> the spare energy people must have to drive such an attack just baffles me
[09:02] <JimBuntu> ppf, I would actually be interested in numbers regarding the actual "energy"/power consumed for such a thing.
[09:02] <JimBuntu> !info synergy
[09:03] <ppf> JimBuntu: that too!
[09:03] <burzos> Is randomly picking a series of words from Ubuntu's words file a good way to choose passwords?
[09:04] <zofrex> as long as you use a good method of selecting randomly
[09:04] <zofrex> and select sufficient words
[09:04] <zofrex> yes
[09:04] <zofrex> although the wordlist might be bad for memorability and distinguishability
[09:04] <zofrex> if your password has "accidentalism" and "accidentalist" in that might be confusing :P
[09:05] <burzos> That's a good point.
[09:05] <zofrex> a lot of people prefer to use more purpose-made lists, for example the Diceware list
[09:05] <zofrex> but how strong the password is is a function of both the length of the list and how many words you pick from it
[09:06] <burzos> How to decide what is enough entropy?
[09:07] <zofrex> that depends :D
[09:07] <zofrex> for my LastPass password I use a _lot_
[09:07] <zofrex> the XKCD comic suggests 40 bits under the incorrect assumption that that would take ~500 years to crack
[09:07] <zofrex> to even decide how long it takes to crack you have to ask... who is cracking it, with what, and how is the password stored
[09:08] <burzos> Ok, so I have to think about more things.
[09:09] <zofrex> let's assume someone is going through a leaked password list that includes yours. let's assume it was hashed with MD5 and nothing fancy, as a realistic bad case. and let's say the attacker has 8 GTX 1080 Ti graphics cards, which is a lot but not infeasible
[09:09] <zofrex> just as an example to work through it
[09:09] <zofrex> they can crack passwords at a rate of 200 billion attempts per second: https://gist.github.com/epixoip/a83d38f412b4737e99bbef804a270c40
[09:10] <zofrex> so you need 72 bits of entropy to get >500 years in this scenario
[09:10] <JimBuntu> zofrex, well, due to MD5
[09:10] <zofrex> yeah
[09:10] <JimBuntu> salted SHA3 should be a minimum, along with brute force blocking/password reset
[09:10] <TJ-> burzos: I prefer something totally random: e.g. "mkpasswd -s 1 24"
[09:10] <burzos> Hm. Hopefully a website with such bad password mgmt doesn't actually do anything useful for me.
[09:10] <zofrex> no, bcrypt/pbkdf2/scrypt/argon _should_ be the minimum, but it ain't :D
[09:11] <burzos> TJ-: Then how do you remember?
[09:11] <JimBuntu> I mainly use random, no "words", 26+ chars in length min
[09:11] <TJ-> burzos: Using a password manager
[09:11] <burzos> Where/How do you backup the passwords file?
[09:11] <TJ-> burzos: I remember a very long pass-phrase that only unlocks the password manager, which then provides unique passwords for every service I use
[09:11] <zofrex> my dict/words file has 235886 words in it, so just 4 words from that file is close to 72 bits of entropy
[09:11] <zofrex> because: log(235886 ^ 4) / log(2) ~= 72
[09:12] <JimBuntu> burzos, memorize, it's the best protection... plus a written copy stored somewhere safe simply in-case you literally lose your memory or die
[09:12] <zofrex> the diceware list has 7776 words in it, so you need 5 or 6 words from that for a similar level of strength
[09:12] <burzos> I see, so you use an open source password manager.
[09:12] <TJ-> !info keepassx | burzos e.g. this
[09:12] <zofrex> 7776^5 => 64 bits, 7776^6 => 78 bits
[09:13] <TJ-> burzos: there are many other "Password Managers"
[09:13] <burzos> Is a password manager a tricky crypto thing I should be worried about hving subtle bugs in it?
[09:13] <ppf> yes
[09:13] <ppf> well, the latter at least,not the former
[09:13] <zofrex> burzos: personally I use 70 bits of entropy as a reasonable amount, it won't stand up to a targeted attack but I'll be far from low-hanging fruit in any mass attack on hashes
[09:13] <TJ-> burzos: For web-sites I use the Firefox built-in password manager, and an extension that auto-generates random passwords
[09:13] <zofrex> but hopefully the above helps you make your own decision between convenience and security :)
[09:14] <ppf> i usually generate passwords with apg
[09:14] <zofrex> note that all this is completely pointless if the website stores your password in plaintext
[09:14] <zofrex> which some sites still do
[09:14] <burzos> Yes, generating sufficient entropy seems doable.  But storing these hard to remember passwords correctly is harder I think.
[09:14] <ppf> random letters and digits, but composed from pronouncable syllables
[09:14] <zofrex> so the most important thing is to use different passwords on each website
[09:14] <ppf> i.e. not attackble with a dictionary, high entropy, but almost as easily remeberable as words
[09:15] <zofrex> (And perhaps you don't need to worry -that much- about cracking if you have zero re-use? WARNING: half-baked opinion)
[09:15] <zoli__> hello, I am trying to install MAAS from Ubuntu Server 18.04.1 iso in Virtualbox, but it fails
[09:15] <TJ-> burzos: because there are multiple independent implementations of the same algorithm, I use "Password Hasher NG" on FF, and on Android "Hash It!"
[09:15] <zofrex> personally I prefer to use very random but short passwords because I can type them in faster, but a lot of people find it easier to memorise words
[09:15] <burzos> So, if I use high entropy passwords with a password manager, don't reuse passwords, use 2fa and always verify the domain/TLS; I should be good to go?
[09:16] <ppf> short passwords are easy to crack though
[09:16] <TJ-> burzos: most password managers will also generate passwords for you
[09:17] <TJ-> burzos: good short summary at https://www.keepassx.org/
[09:17] <ppf> what i used to do was use generate a 'base' password, and then append a predictable per-site suffix
[09:17] <ppf> but as the gentoo guys found out recently that's not super smart ;)
[09:17] <TJ-> If you want security use multi-factor authentication (aka 2FA) with a hardware key like Yubikey)
 short passwords are easy to crack though < I mean short relative to passphrases
[09:18] <burzos> I should trust Yubikey because their business would die if they did something shady?
[09:19] <zofrex> an 11 digit password with upper/lower/numbers/symbols is about the same entropy as a 5 word diceware phrase
[09:19] <zofrex> if you're looking at MFA strongly consider U2F
[09:19] <zofrex> it's the only thing that's phishing-proof
[09:19] <zofrex> totally different threat than password cracking but worth thinking about
[09:20] <TJ-> burzos: there are alternative hardware keys but yubikey has a a known history and a lot of peer review by cryptographers
[09:20] <ppf> zofrex: right, true
[09:20] <zofrex> a review of a few different keys by someone who knows a few things: https://www.imperialviolet.org/2017/10/08/securitykeytest.html
[09:21] <burzos> Cool
[09:26] <TJ-> I use a yubikey neo which works with NFC as well as USB; very handy for entry systems, using it with smartphone, etc.
[09:37] <JimBuntu> FWIW: I don't trust any MFA that uses SMS (or anything cellular for that matter) and neither should you imho
[09:38] <keithn16> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[09:38] <JimBuntu> WOW! Good job Christel at helping to raise 10.2MM$
[09:39] <coz_> is there a terminal command to change "open with" to another application? the right click options seem to be stuck
[09:39] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[09:39] <coz_> BluesKaj, hey guy
[09:40] <illuminated> I need to devote some time to backing up my desktop and throwing linux on it.
[09:41] <JimBuntu> Hiya BluesKaj Welcome to Wed.
[09:41] <JimBuntu> coz_, which distro version are you using?
[09:41] <coz_> 18.04
[09:41] <coz_> JimBuntu, 18.04 ubuntu
[09:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[09:42] <JimBuntu> shoot coz, I'm not using that one yet. I doubt it would be the same with Gnome as it is with Unity.
[09:42] <coz_> JimBuntu,  give it a try :)
[09:43] <coz_> JimBuntu, actually I switched to gnome session flash back
[09:44] <illuminated> coz_ https://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2014/03/how-to-specify-default-applications-for.html
[09:44] <BluesKaj> usually there's an "other" open with option in the context menu in file managers
[09:44] <JimBuntu> Well coz_ , you could try 'sudo update-alternatives –all'
[09:44] <coz_> mmmm
[09:44] <coz_> let me try that as well,
[09:46] <BluesKaj> but KDE/Plasma Dolphin may be different than Nautilus, i don't recall
[09:48] <coz_> illuminated, thanks for the link
[09:48] <illuminated> coz_ np
[09:49] <JimBuntu> coz_, also... ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
[09:49] <sweb> if i add `net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0` to kernel will be relplace "Predictable Network Interface Names" and "Consistent Network Device Naming" ? to simple "eth0"
[09:49] <coz_> ok let me look there JimBuntu
[09:49] <sweb> how can i have just one naming convetion just like old time "eth0" nothing else
[09:52] <guruprasad> When I run 'sudo apt update', I get a hash sum mismatch error for 'xenial-updates/universe'. Is this a known issue with the ubuntu repositories and is there a workaround?
[09:53] <guruprasad> I was initially using the archive.ubuntu.com repository but even after changing to the country-specific in.archive.ubuntu.com, the same error is thrown
[09:53] <ppf> guruprasad: sometimes that happens when packages are freshly deployed
[09:56] <guruprasad> ppf, that makes sense
[09:56] <EriC^^> guruprasad: you could try "sudo rm -r /var/lib/apt/list/* && sudo apt-get update"
[09:56] <guruprasad> should I try a different mirror?
[09:56] <guruprasad> EriC^^, that didn't work
[09:56] <EriC^^> guruprasad: as ppf said, trying a different mirror sometimes might not work as well cause the files are cached by your isp, it's worth a shot though
[09:59] <kllo> /reload/
[10:06] <illuminated> reading the systemd man pages
[10:06] <illuminated> i don't know why all the systemd hate
[10:06] <illuminated> it's actually p nice, I think.
[10:06] <ppf> so do a lot of people
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> Guest75071: stop that please
[10:11] <Guest75071> Stop what ?
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> Guest75071: pick a nickname and stay with it please
[10:12] <Guest75071> I'm trying to do that. Sorry
[10:15] <ogghi> Hi there, any idea about this?
[10:15] <ogghi> php7.2-mbstring : Depends: php7.2-common (= 7.2.3-1ubuntu1) but 7.2.7-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 is to be installed
[10:16] <Pr070cal> hi guys ive installed 18.04 and now i need to get nvidia gt1030 and amd radeon r5 230 working i disable wayland to use xorg but still only one screen
[10:21] <TJ-> Pr070cal: are both GPUs being recognised by Xorg ?
[10:23] <Pr070cal> TJ-:  no if i lspci i can see both
[10:24] <pp09> hey, trying to installed a font in 18.04. I can't manage to do it. I try, to put it in usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfolder, rebuild the cache and reboot, it didn't worked. I tried to open it and install it, didn't worked. I tried font-manager, didn't worked.
[10:24] <Pr070cal> xorg isnt generated anymore
[10:24] <Pr070cal> 18.04 uses wayland
[10:24] <pp09> I can see it in font-manager tho, the little box is checked.
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Pr070cal, multiple monitors ?
[10:32] <Pr070cal> BluesKaj: 5
[10:33] <hateball> Pr070cal: are you using nouveau or nvidia blob?
[10:33] <hateball> if blob, does nvidia-settings show more than 1 monitor?
[10:34] <sengha> hello everyone
[10:36] <Pr070cal> hateball: nouveau for the moment i can install nvidia and amd because of a fglrx conflict so im trying xorg
[10:37] <hateball> Pr070cal: why would you have fglrx if you are using nvidia?
[10:37] <hateball> Pr070cal: at any rate, with nouveau I have no idea
[10:37] <Pr070cal> i have amd video card too
[10:37] <TJ-> Pr070cal: 18.04 uses Xorg by default
[10:37] <erge> u use amd?
[10:37] <Pr070cal> TJ-: no wayland
[10:37] <erge> dont use wayland
[10:37] <erge> its bloat
[10:38] <erge> im sorry u have to deal with wayland
[10:38] <erge> but dont worry
[10:38] <erge> u cant still revert back to x
[10:38] <TJ-> Pr070cal: no, Xorg. Please read the release notes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Ubuntu_Desktop
[10:39] <erge> xorg is harmful software
[10:39] <erge> and is a keylogger
[10:39] <TJ-> "X is the default display server. Wayland is provided as a Technical Preview and is expected to be the default display server in 20.04 LTS"
[10:39] <erge> make sure to uninstall x
[10:39] <TJ-> erge: Please stop that, now
[10:39] <fjw> k
[10:39] <erge> whats up
[10:40] <TJ-> Pr070cal: I run 6 monitors across 3 GPUs so I have some experience with the config
[10:40] <erge> dont use wayland
[10:40] <erge> use xorg
[10:40] <Pr070cal> cool man
[10:41] <Pr070cal> TJ-: what gpu's have you got are they all the same ?
[10:41] <ogghi> php7.2-mbstring : Depends: php7.2-common (= 7.2.3-1ubuntu1) but 7.2.7-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 is to be installed
[10:41] <ogghi> nobody with an idea?
[10:41] <ogghi> the 7.2.7 is needed for some packages. the 7.2.3 for others, am I doomed?
[10:41] <erge> uninstall ubuntu
[10:41] <TJ-> Pr070cal: different nvidia GPUs, internal and external
[10:42] <erge> then reboot
[10:42] <TJ-> erge: Stop. Now.
[10:42] <erge> stop what?
[10:42] <deadrom> hi
[10:42] <erge> listen i like ubuntu
[10:43] <erge> but u gotta remove necessary packages to keep ur system healthy
[10:43] <TJ-> ogghi: is that on 18.04 ?
[10:43] <deadrom> how can I retrieve office 365 calendars in ubuntu? is there an out of the box cleint that can connect?
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> !ops | erge disturbing support
[10:43] <TJ-> !info php7.2-mbstring
[10:43] <erge> didnt do nuffin
[10:43] <erge> im trying to help
[10:44] <TJ-> ogghi: looks like the version you have installed isn't the bionic version, is it the result of a release-upgrade from 16.04 ?
[10:44] <erge> !ops | lotuspsychje posting cp
[10:45] <deadrom> erge: what does "posting cp" mean?
[10:46] <TJ-> deadrom: does the office 365 support CalDav ?
[10:46] <ogghi> @TJ-: nope, fresh install from this morning
[10:47] <TJ-> ogghi: hmmm, let me re-read what you've posted so far
[10:47] <deadrom> TJ-: interwebs say "yes. no. well, sometimes. it's borken occasionally."
[10:48] <Pr070cal> TJ-: can i have a look at your xorg
[10:50] <TJ-> ogghi: OK, it makes sense now. There's been a -security update to those packages including -mbstring, but your system hasn't updated that package. Try "sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade"
[10:51] <TJ-> Pr070cal: It's on another PC that's currently powered off but I *think* I have a copy on my web-server somewhere... let me trawl
[10:52] <TJ-> Pr070cal: here it is http://iam.tj/projects/misc/xorg.XPS-NVS420-6monitor.conf
[10:53] <Pr070cal> TJ-: do you use desktop and laptop as a screen ?
[10:53] <TJ-> Pr070cal: how do you mean?
[10:54] <Pr070cal> TJ-: it says laptop as one of your screens
[10:54] <TJ-> Pr070cal: yes, the PC is a laptop, drives 2 monitors itself, and has an external NV420 attached (via ExpressCard ViDock expander) that has 2 GPUs each with 2 monitors
[10:54] <ogghi> @TJ-: no new packages....will try another mirror
[10:54] <Pr070cal> ah ok
[10:55] <TJ-> ogghi: try "apt-cache policy php7.2-mbstring" you should see "7.2.7-0ubuntu0.18.04.2" available from the security component
[10:55] <Pr070cal> TJ-: you can use android phone as screen too
[10:56] <Pr070cal> TJ-: but i think it uses vnc
[10:56] <TJ-> Pr070cal: why would I!? 24" monitors vs 5-6"? no thanks!
[10:56] <Pr070cal> lol
[10:57] <ogghi> 7.2.7-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 500
[10:57] <ogghi>         500 mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt bionic-updates/universe amd64 Packages
[10:57] <ogghi>         500 mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt bionic-security/universe amd64 Packages
[10:57] <ogghi>      7.2.3-1ubuntu1 500
[10:57] <ogghi>         500 mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt bionic/universe amd64 Packages
[10:57] <JimBuntu> !paste | ogghi
[10:57] <Pr070cal> TJ-: ok if i put your xorg in the /etc/X11 should it use it without any changes
[10:57] <ogghi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ghz7QsGBJr/
[10:58] <ogghi> better ;)
[10:59] <TJ-> Pr070cal: nope, it's tied to my system.
[11:00] <TJ-> Pr070cal: it ought to auto-configure; you should check the /var/log/Xorg.*.log files for info on what is actually happening
[11:00] <TJ-> ogghi: yes, much better :)
[11:01] <Pr070cal> sorry i mean to switch over to using xorg.conf
[11:06] <TJ-> Pr070cal: the X server auto-configures itself on most cases so if you've got multiple GPUs and monitors it should discover those, and the desktop environment's Display settings should allow you to organise them. So first step is check the Xorg.*.log to see what the X server has found
[11:06] <TJ-> Pr070cal: but if it does need a static configuration then yes, /etc/X11/xorg.conf and/or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ is the place to put configs
[11:13] <Pr070cal> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/R2s5k4PZ/
[11:16] <Zooklubba9> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:16] <Zooklubba9> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:17] <TJ-> Pr070cal: well looks like both drivers aren't loading there, so we have to assume they're not installed, or installed incorrectly. I also notice an apparent spelling mistake (which I suspect comes from a custom xorg.conf you've added? "amdpgu" => "amdgpu" ?
[11:18] <zoli__> hello, I am trying to install MAAS from Ubuntu Server 18.04.1 iso in Virtualbox, but it fails
[11:19] <TJ-> zoli__: have you asked in the #maas channel?
[11:22] <Pr070cal> TJ-: ok checked the log i have nouveau and radeon loaded
[11:22] <zoli__> TJ-: no, I didnt know it exist, thanks
[11:22] <bobphalanx> Hi, how can I change the Ubuntu 18.04 terminal background color? For some reason when I go to a profile -> Colors -> set Background color, it only changes a small slice next to the scrollbar and the rest of the terminal is original color
[11:23] <TJ-> Pr070cal: right, so the log should also show the monitors being discovered too
[11:25] <EriC^> bobphalanx: if you move the window a little does it work?
[11:26] <ogghi> @TJ-: I am back, did I miss a message?
[11:26] <TJ-> bobphalanx: is there an option to change the theme? I use that here to change to black-on-white whilst outside
[11:26] <TJ-> ogghi: not that I know of
[11:26] <bobphalanx> EriC^: no, I have tried creating a new terminal and changing to my saved profile but all I see is around 10px width part of that color next to the scroll bar, the rest is of some other color
[11:26] <TJ-> bobphalanx: is transparency enabled?
[11:27] <bobphalanx> I've tried to toggle but no help, this is so weird
[11:27] <Pr070cal> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/N6nRUUBH/
[11:28] <bobphalanx> actually for some odd reason when I change to theme presets like Solarized Dark, the theme only displays under the scroll bar, rest is original
[11:28] <TJ-> bobphalanx: sounds like the unity/gnome DE settings are interfering
[11:29] <bobphalanx> ahh just realized my mistake, my .bashrc had some custom settings..
[11:29] <bobphalanx> well that's that :D
[11:29] <j-fish> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:30] <JimBuntu> Way to go Christel
[11:33] <bobphalanx> I wonder who comes up with this
[11:33] <bobphalanx> like "okay, this is it, this one's really gonna get some clicks"
[11:34] <TJ-> Pr070cal: can you use the proper pastebin? that irccloud stuff is useless
[11:34] <TJ-> !paste | Pr070cal
[11:34] <Pr070cal> ok
[11:34] <TJ-> Pr070cal: use "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.?.log" for example
[11:34] <ogghi> @TJ-: do you have ideas on the issue? Thanks a lot for the help already!
[11:35] <TJ-> ogghi: what's the issue now? Last I saw you can get the correct packages installed
[11:36] <ogghi> oh yeah, true! Sorry...lunch break in between...so what did the trick?
[11:36] <niko1990> hello
[11:36] <ogghi> hi niko
[11:37] <Pr070cal> TJ-: what do i type to identify the different ports on both cards
[11:38] <TJ-> Pr070cal: "xrandr -q"
[11:39] <TJ-> Pr070cal: but pastebin-ing the entire Xorg.0.log file is the first step
[11:39] <Pr070cal> TJ-: hmm only screen 0
[11:41] <Pr070cal> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/hxRYWuD7
[11:41] <niko1990> I have a quick question: is it possible to use sshfs with a normal credential text file where the password is written in? I read somewhere to do it like this: "sshfs -o crdentals=/path/to/cred-file user@server:/path/" but this tells me "fuse: unknown option `credentials=/path/to/cred-file'
[11:42] <TJ-> Pr070cal: ahhh, that's better - data!
[11:42] <Pr070cal> TJ-: i just need to pop out for a hour or two
[11:43] <TJ-> Pr070cal: so, your issue is "(EE) [drm] Failed to open DRM device for pci:0000:07:00.0: -19"
[11:43] <TJ-> Pr070cal: and that is because you have "nomodeset" on the kernel command line. Start by removing that
[11:43] <Pr070cal> the only thing i changed in your xorg was the device id mine are 7 and 2:0.0.0 and drivers to nouveau and radeon
[11:43] <Pr070cal> oh ok
[11:44] <JimBuntu> niko1990, perhaps they meant the '-F ssh_configfile' parameter
[11:46] <Humbedooh11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:48] <TJ-> niko1990: credentials= is an smb specific option, not sshfs
[11:52] <niko1990> TJ-: i already though so, but is there a way to save the password in a file and pass it to the command?
[11:53] <frazr> Hi there folks, any iptables wizard here? probably a pretty easy question though, im having trouble inserting a nat rule in my iptables config, "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3000" has the "-t nat" argument does not want to be applied with iptables-restore, thoughts? :)
[11:54] <TJ-> niko1990: yes, using the "-o password_stdin" option
[11:57] <frazr> Oh, apparently you need a *nat block in the iptables rules , sometimes you just have to ask the question to understand the problem :D
[11:57] <TJ-> niko1990: somethimg like: sshfs -o password_stdin user@host:/source /mountpoint < /tmp/password.txt
[12:01] <niko1990> TJ-: thank you very much, it worked perfect :)
[12:02] <TJ-> niko1990: Wow! that was a good guess then :p
[12:03] <SolarAquarion27> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:04] <qwebirc58133> hi all,looking for some advice on which flavor of ubuntu i need to download for running off a pentium 4 single core 32 bit processor
[12:10] <JonelethIrenicus> has 18.04 hit a .1 update yet?
[12:13] <TJ-> JonelethIrenicus: Yes, see "cat /etc/issue" => "Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS \n \l"
[12:17] <JonelethIrenicus> thanks TJ-
[12:18] <erge> wazzap
[12:18] <erge> how do i install gnu radio
[12:22] <Pr070cal> TJ-: ok i took off nomodeset and all 4 screens came on but i dont have a login screen till i put nomodeset then only one screen works
[12:22] <Pr070cal> Oh 1 sec maybe login screen is on my tv
[12:23] <TJ-> Pr070cal: right, so dig into the log files to find out why. Sounds like possibly the login is being sent to an output that isn't on
[12:23] <TJ-> Pr070cal: that'd make sense, you sometimes need to set the GPU/output ordering to make it do what you expect
[12:23] <blurkis> can some one confirm if the asus usb-ac51 wifi dongle works out of the box on ubuntu 18.04?
[12:26] <Pr070cal> Ok so login was on the tv
[12:26] <Pr070cal> So all 5 screens are on
[12:27] <TJ-> Pr070cal: simple when you know how :)
[12:27] <Pr070cal> But when i login i get thrown back to login screen
[12:27] <blurkis> can some one confirm if the asus usb-ac51 wifi dongle works out of the box on ubuntu 18.04?  (sorry if writing again. think I forgot to identify first)
[12:28] <Pr070cal> And on the install i had to have nomodeset
[12:30] <Pr070cal> Ok had to choose uvuntu on way;and and im logged
[12:30] <Pr070cal> In
[12:30] <u0_a103> halo
[12:30] <Pr070cal> TJ-:ok logged in but its slow had to use ubuntu on wayland
[12:31] <u0_a103> halo guys
[12:31] <TJ-> Pr070cal: wayland is configuring the GPUs/monitors ?
[12:32] <u0_a103> i am understand
[12:34] <Pr070cal> TJ-:ok so if i use nvidia drivers it should be quicker
[12:34] <Pr070cal> Its really slow using the mouse
[12:35] <TJ-> Pr070cal: speed shouldn't be an issue. If pointer reaction is slow then something else is going on
[12:36] <TJ-> Pr070cal: it could be the resolutions chosen are exceeding the ability of the GPU's video RAM, so it's having to use slower system RAM for compositing etc.
[12:37] <Pr070cal> TJ-:i removed xorg.conf tooin hope of generating one
[12:39] <TJ-> Wayland doesn't touch that, only X server
[12:39] <TJ-> well, Mutter - Wayland is just a protocol!
[12:41] <Pr070cal> TJ-:ok so its working i have no xorg but all screens now work
[12:41] <Pr070cal> And its really slow
[12:42] <Pr070cal> TJ-:will you be on in a few hours
[12:42] <Pr070cal> I have to go ou
[12:42] <Pr070cal> Out
[12:45] <hudnix> help upgraded to 18.04 , now my nvidia card isn't recognized, trying to launch nvidia-xserver app just makes my screen flash about 50 times and nothing else happens. just have one monitor working in vga mode now
[12:45] <hudnix> card is a gtx 1060
[12:50] <storm_> Hi all, someone know a tool that permit to plan tasks like crontab but with GUI interaction
[12:50] <storm_> please ?
[12:51] <yokoono> Yo
[12:54] <Pr070cal> TJ-:just to let you know i have a laptop gpd pocket7 worlds smallest fastest laptop take a look online
[13:01] <bluechristmas> hi
[13:02] <EriC^> hello
[13:25] <nikolam> I think Ubunut's ZFS isn't the freshest.. (at least one in 18.04 LTS) . I got this message when importing pool freshly created on illumos and I can mount whole pool only read-only in Ubuntu... :
[13:26] <nikolam> $ sudo zpool import rpool This pool uses the following feature(s) not supported by this system:	com.delphix:spacemap_v2 (Space maps representing large segments are more efficient.)
[13:26] <nikolam> All unsupported features are only required for writing to the pool.
[13:26] <nikolam> The pool can be imported using '-o readonly=on'. cannot import 'rpool': unsupported version or feature
[13:26] <leftyfb> !paste | nikolam
[13:26] <ppf> !latest | nikolam
[13:26] <nikolam> sorry for long paste, please don't shoot me :P
[13:27] <leftyfb> nikolam: please use pastebin
[13:27] <nikolam> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TTZS7qkwJr/
[13:27] <nikolam> sorry again
[13:29] <niko1990> I need another hint into the right direction: I added now an sshfs line (now with public key auth.) in my fstab. When I type in a terminal sudo mount /path/share it works fine, when I call the same command in a bash script everything works fine too (I added a "push a button to finish" at the end of the script) until i push the button, and the script ends - then my share is unmounted again... why is that like that?
[13:29] <leftyfb> nikolam: and yes, it looks like spacemap_v2 was implemented in zfs 1 month ago. 3 months after 18.04 was released. You can't expect features that new to make it to into stable releases of OS's that quick.
[13:29] <ramsub07> Hi, I am not able to install ufw and it gives me error
[13:30] <leftyfb> ramsub07: what version of ubuntu?
[13:30] <ramsub07> when i try to "$ufw enable", i get this, ERROR: problem running iptables: iptables v1.6.0: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
[13:30] <leftyfb> ramsub07: you need to use sudo
[13:31] <ramsub07> I am using 16.04
[13:31] <ramsub07> leftyfb: I tried that, as well as using root
[13:32] <leftyfb> ramsub07: please pastebin the output of "sudo ufw enable". Including the command you typed
[13:32] <JonelethIrenicus> any way to remove all broken packages
[13:32] <CC6628> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[13:32] <ramsub07> leftyfb: here it is, http://dpaste.com/28TZ8D8
[13:33] <leftyfb> JonelethIrenicus: define broken. It would make more sense to ask for help fixing up your packaging state by posting a pastebin of the errors you're getting
[13:33] <leftyfb> ramsub07: you did not do what I said
[13:34] <TJ-> ramsub07: you're using a virtual private server / container aren't you?
[13:34] <ramsub07> TJ-:  I am on SSH
[13:34] <ramsub07> maybe i might be on a container, how do i know in that case ?
[13:34] <nikolam> leftyfb, thank you for your answer, but ZFS pool is created with illumos from end of April. And as I know, if they are in illumos they are long time stable. Ubuntu should keep up with stable features.
[13:35] <TJ-> ramsub07: right, to some VPS, possibly based on Virtuosso/OpenVZ
[13:35] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: https://paste.kde.org/prpou9ulo
[13:35] <nikolam> leftyfb, so your answer is quite OK. What is not OK is keeping old packages in Ubuntu LTS. :)
[13:35] <TJ-> ramsub07: in which case you cannot do anything kernel related since it operates on a kernel shared by many similar guest containers
[13:35] <ramsub07> TJ-: how do i say whether i am inside the server or not?
[13:36] <TJ-> ramsub07: It would depend on the technology being used. "cat /proc/cmdline" might help
[13:36] <ramsub07> TJ-: it is very likely i am inside a container
[13:36] <leftyfb> ramsub07: uname -a # will give you the kernel version. We should be able to tell if it's the current Ubuntu kernel
[13:37] <ramsub07> I can't run ifconfig, in which case I guess I am
[13:37] <TJ-> ramsub07: another good sign would be a missing /boot/ directory - or one with no kernel/initrd.img files in it
[13:37] <ramsub07> TJ-: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-29-generic root=UUID=50dca1a5-7c0f-4d05-8bbf-ab19cf0f0051 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[13:37] <leftyfb> ramsub07: if you can't run ifconfig on ubuntu 16.04, you're not running a supported version of ubuntu
[13:37] <ramsub07> leftyfb: Linux af1d39dc948f 4.15.0-29-generic
[13:37] <TJ-> ramsub07: that's rather weird - that suggests it's a Desktop install ("splash")
[13:37] <nikolam> leftyfb, It's Ubuntu's fault for reading new ZFS pools read-only. That much I figure.
[13:38] <TJ-> ramsub07: what does "cat /etc/issue" report?
[13:38] <ramsub07> TJ-:  i could see /boot
[13:38] <ramsub07> TJ-: Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS \n \l
[13:38] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: a lot otherwise i would just remove one
[13:38] <ramsub07> this is the output
[13:39] <TJ-> ramsub07: hmmm, I'm trying to think of a way to prove it one way or the other. Right now it's looking like it is a full VM. Can you "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[13:40] <ramsub07> TJ-: I am sorry didn't understand what you had said, what should i do?
[13:40] <ramsub07> I couldn't find basic commands like lspci or lshw
[13:41] <TJ-> ramsub07: I think from your earlier pastebin "Read-only file system" is a big clue as to what is wrong here
[13:41] <ramsub07> TJ-: which is?
[13:42] <ramsub07> is there anyway to exit this virtual box or alter that system wide settings?
[13:42] <TJ-> ramsub07: if it's read-only it's either been mounted that way to stop you changing it, or there's a root file-system fault and so it's been mounted read-only
[13:42] <niko1990> TJ-: could you maybe help me one more time?  added now an sshfs line (now with public key auth.) in my fstab. When I type in a terminal sudo mount /path/share it works fine, when I call the same command in a bash script everything works fine too (I added a "push a button to finish" at the end of the script) until i push the button, and the script ends - then my share is unmounted again... why is that like that?
[13:45] <JonelethIrenicus> any regex wizard know how to remove all broken packages i found in a log
[13:45] <leftyfb> JonelethIrenicus: please pastebin the output of: sudo apt install -f   # also, what version of ubuntu is this?
[13:45] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: that has nothing
[13:45] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: 16.04
[13:45] <leftyfb> JonelethIrenicus: where did you get that output that lists the broken packages?
[13:45] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: this is from /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[13:46] <JonelethIrenicus> the pastebin
[13:46] <TJ-> niko1990: I'm not quite following what exactly you are asking there
[13:46] <leftyfb> JonelethIrenicus: so the output you pasted earlier is from "cat /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log"?
[13:47] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: nah i did grep Broken /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[13:47] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: im trying to upgrade to 18.04
[13:47] <leftyfb> JonelethIrenicus: do you have an reason beyond lines in a log to believe something is broken?
[13:49] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: all i know is "upgrade no worky"
[13:49] <leftyfb> JonelethIrenicus: that's not a valid error. How are you attempting to do the upgrade exactly?
[13:49] <niko1990> TJ-: in sshfs share in my fstab is set to noauto. I want to mount this share with a small bash script. When I run the command "sudo mount /share" it's mounting the sshfs share from the fstab - so far so good. When I run the same command in a bash script it's mounting my sshfs share too, but as soon as the script finishs the share is unmounted again...
[13:49] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: sudo do-release-upgrade
[13:51] <TJ-> niko1990: what does the script look like?
[13:55] <niko1990> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H75rfMnMqR/      this is the script so far - will get later on more, but at first this should work...
[13:56] <leftyfb> JonelethIrenicus: did you remove all PPA's and their packages?
[13:56] <TJ-> niko1990: I don't see any reason there for an unmount. Are you sure the mount actually happens?
[13:56] <TJ-> niko1990: could it be the remote server drops the connection soon after it is established?
[13:59] <niko1990> TJ-: yes it really works. It asks me first for the sudo password, then for the key-file password, and the it waits for a push of a button... when i don't push a button, and take a look into the share folder everything is in the folder, and if i then switch back to the terminal and push a button, then the script ends, the terminal closes, and the mount folder is empty again (like unmounted)...
[14:01] <TJ-> niko1990: what does the fstab entry look like?
[14:02] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: no i did not
[14:02] <niko1990> TJ-: sshfs#USERNAME@SERVERIP:/ /share/serv-u16-main fuse uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0,allow_other,noauto
[14:03] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: how do i go about doing that?
[14:03] <TJ-> niko1990: hmmm, I wonder if it's the uid/gid part matching the user that ran the mount command?
[14:03] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: i have many ppas
[14:03] <TJ-> niko1990: can't say I've experienced that myself
[14:05] <confluency> do-release-upgrade automatically disables PPAs. You don;t have to do that yourself.
[14:06] <confluency> How exactly does it "not work"?
[14:06] <confluency> What is the error message?
[14:06] <niko1990> TJ-: I just tried it without anything behind fuse but still the same...
[14:07] <TJ-> niko1990: I'm not sure how to explain that; it sounds like some other process is noticing it and getting involved
[14:08] <TJ-> niko1990: check the /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/syslog for clues. e.g. you'll see the sudo command in auth.log
[14:10] <JonelethIrenicus> confluency: https://paste.kde.org/prpou9ulo
[14:10] <JonelethIrenicus> that is a log of broken packages from attempting to upgrade
[14:11] <confluency> What is the *actual error message*, not some random subset you grepped?
[14:12] <JonelethIrenicus> confluency: https://paste.kde.org/phgawaijt
[14:13] <hans_> how can i connect to a password-protected wifi without a mouse?
[14:13] <confluency> JonelethIrenicus: what happens if you apt0get update and apt-get upgrade?
[14:14] <JonelethIrenicus> confluency: nothing abnormal
[14:14] <confluency> It all works?
[14:14] <JonelethIrenicus> yep
[14:15] <confluency> How many PPAs do you have? Do you have any with a large number of different packages? What's in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[14:16] <JonelethIrenicus> confluency: i probably have like 15
[14:17] <confluency> It may be a good idea to roll back the PPA packages with ppa-purge.
[14:18] <BluesKaj> ppas are normally in /etc/apt//sources.list.d
[14:19] <confluency> Yes, but I also wanted to know what was in the main file.
[14:19] <TJ-> hans_: you mean the wifi has no mouse, or you cannot navigate dialog boxes asking for input?
[14:19] <TJ-> hans_: you could use the command-line "nmtui" for editing connections
[14:20] <hans_> TJ-, the computer has no mouse and it seems i can't navigate to the wifi thing with just my keyboard
[14:20] <confluency> JonelethIrenicus: it looks like you have some gigantic Kubuntu-related PPA which has everything in it. I would strongly recommend not doing that again.
[14:20] <hans_> (actually it has a mouse, a touchpad, but it's a custom 1 seemingly made for a specific series of laptops, with no linux driver, it seems)
[14:21] <TJ-> hans_: it's not responding to Tabs to move the input focus?
[14:21] <confluency> JonelethIrenicus: if you want newer versions of KDE stuff across the board, stop using LTS.
[14:21] <hans_> TJ-, alt+tab? yes that thing is responding
[14:21] <niko1990> TJ-: I think I found a hint: When I open a Terminal and run my script ./script then it works - share stays mounted - even when i push the button and then exit this terminal. It only unmounts the share when I run the script with a "desktop" file - this here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QBMncCHRvB/   - and in the syslog I get this errors (when I call it with the desktop icon): Option “-x” is deprecated and might be r
[14:22] <niko1990> rsion of gnome-terminal.
[14:22] <hans_> tab itself only affects the application in focus, it seems
[14:22] <confluency> JonelethIrenicus: anyway, start there with the PPA purge. Every giant Kubuntu development PPA you have. Little PPAs are unlikely to be the culprit.
[14:22] <hans_> TJ-, but nmtui works great! thanks
[14:22] <grady> hans, just superkey, settings and there you can navigate with arrowkeys
[14:23] <hans_> grady, superkey? you mean the button with the windows logo on it?
[14:23] <grady> yes
[14:23] <TJ-> niko1990: i still can't explain it
[14:24] <hans_> grady, i thought that was called `the windows key` :p
[14:24] <grady> well, in linux desktops its called a superkey, you can change it to something else, so thats why superkey
[14:25] <niko1990> TJ-: I'm trying a reboot now... -.-
[14:26] <TJ-> grady: I call it the "which-darn-key-is-it-on-this-DE" key!
[14:27] <grady> default is winkey but like chromeos machines it comes from capslock* key
[14:29] <hans_> guys, the fix to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x11vnc/+bug/1686084 is available at https://github.com/LibVNC/x11vnc/pull/25/files and the bug is very annoying to users.
[14:31] <TJ-> hans_: that affects bionic too?
[14:31] <hans_> TJ-, if by Bionic you mean 18.04, then yes
[14:31] <ppf> TJ-: according to the PR also artful and zesty
[14:31] <TJ-> yes, is the bug marked affects 18.04 ?
[14:31] <TJ-> ppf: artful/zesty are EOL now though
[14:31] <GrandeGiove> Hi
[14:32] <GrandeGiove> can anyone help me in order to fix video tearing on my laptop?
[14:32] <hans_> TJ-, the bug also occurs at 18.04, and it is reported on the bugtracker
[14:32] <ppf> TJ-: someone only added a tag
[14:32] <jamesp> hey guys, i have a user using a PC im SSH'd in to his box, is there a way i can open a browser window on the ssh terminal that will appear on his screen? - It's for a learning demo
[14:33] <CONDE> HELLO
[14:33] <Guest89478> OLÁ
[14:33] <jamesp> xdg-open http://www.google.com returns Gtk-WARNING **: 15:31:09.939: cannot open display:
[14:33] <TJ-> ppf: hans_ I've updated the description and title
[14:33] <CONDE> Where are you from?!
[14:33] <Guest89478> THE BOOK IS ON THE TABLE
[14:34] <CONDE> Hello guys!
[14:34] <CONDE> Talk to me
[14:34] <ppf> TJ-: ty :)
[14:35] <TJ-> hans_: ppf I've raised it with the developers; hopefully someone will take an interest
[14:35] <CONDE> What the objetivs?!
[14:35] <hans_> TJ-, thanks
[14:36] <TJ-> jamesp: not sure but try "DISPLAY=:0 <command>"
[14:36] <ppf> jamesp: the ssh session needs to forward X, end then export DISPLAY
[14:36] <CONDE> ls -lisa
[14:36] <TJ-> hans_: ppf it's in "Universe" rather than "Main" though, so it's supposed to be "community" supported, not part of the primary developers jobs
[14:36] <CONDE> rm -rf
[14:36] <CONDE> take your card
[14:36] <JonelethIrenicus> confluency: alright thanks ill give that a shot
[14:37] <Guest89478> segue o lider[
[14:37] <hans_> TJ-, and how does the community go about getting the patch applied?
[14:37] <CONDE> talk in portuguese
[14:37] <TJ-> ppf: no, no forwarding, he wants the window to show on the PC the process runs on, but launched by his remoet ssh session
[14:37] <CONDE> portuguese please
[14:37] <CONDE> i'm from Brasil
[14:37] <CONDE> and you?
[14:37] <ppf> hans_: the package maintainer has to do that
[14:37] <BluesKaj> !pt | CONDE
[14:37] <TJ-> hans_: generally "universe" is voluntarily maintained whereas "main" is actively maintained by paid Canonical developers
[14:38] <CONDE> TJ
[14:38] <CONDE> TJ
[14:38] <CONDE> TJ
[14:38] <CONDE> TJ
[14:38] <hans_> and the x11vnc package maintainer is?
[14:38] <hans_> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/x11vnc  points to ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com
[14:39] <TJ-> hans_: as per "apt-cache show <packagename>": "Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>"
[14:39] <hans_> weird, why does https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/x11vnc and "apt-cache show x11vnc" disagree?
[14:40] <TJ-> hans_: good question! I think the web-site sets it to MOTU for all packages in Universe component
[14:42] <max_> всем привет
[14:42] <Guest89478> oi
[14:42] <hans_> TJ-, is that intended?
[14:43] <niko1990> TJ-: a reboot did not helped :( "Funny" thing is: In my fstab i also have an old samba share that i called with this same script the same way, and this works this way... https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CP92DW54WD/
[14:43] <BluesKaj> !ru | max_
[14:43] <vavkamil> hi, so I upgraded to ubuntu 18.04 and I must say that it's so much better than when I tried it couple of months ago
[14:44] <ppf> that reminds me, i still have my networking issue (been around since at least ardful)
[14:45] <ppf> when i boot from win7 over to ubuntu, my network card isn't working because windows left wol in a weird state
[14:45] <ppf> it's fixed by disabling wol and rebooting
[14:45] <TJ-> ppf: that's an Intel NIC isn't it?
[14:45] <ppf> 'not working' means i don't receive incoming traffic
[14:45] <ppf> yup
[14:46] <ppf> e1000e
[14:46] <ppf> is that a known issue?
[14:46] <TJ-> ppf: in Windows Device Manager, got to the driver dialog, find the tab that contains the additional options including power-saving, and disable the power saving options.
[14:46] <TJ-> ppf: I've dealt with that one loads of times
[14:46] <ppf> i thought i did that before
[14:47] <ppf> but i shall try again!
[14:47] <TJ-> ppf: if I recall correctly, there's 2 options need changing, one mentioning power-saving and one mentioning WoL
[14:47] <TJ-> ppf: if you can show me a screenshot of the dialog with those options I'll likely remember
[14:48] <ppf> i'll try disabling it, and if it doesn't help i'll report back
[14:48] <ppf> ETA 20min
[14:51] <JBzh> Good afternoon. I'm making automated installs of 18.04 using preseed. I'm wonderring how I can find the preseed names for different packages. For example I found "d-i krb5-config/default_realm string" after some searches, in a debian bugreport. I can't find this parameter (and others) in a full documentation (or a method to guess it) ?
[14:59] <Alonova> 17SAALU8N Hi
[14:59] <Alonova> 17SAALU8N: hi
[15:06] <TJ-> JBzh: good question! I figured that out myself a long time ago but I forget now how I did it
[15:06] <black1> hmmmm cant message friends anymore get wierd error messages ?
[15:06] <black1> Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to black1) from freenode-connect
[15:06] <black1> freenode-connect: (notice) Due to the persistent ongoing spam, all new connections are being set +R (block messages from unidentified users) and will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified.
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> black1: join #freenode for ircd issues
[15:07] <black1> thanks.
[15:08] <TJ-> JBzh: "debconf-get-selections --installer"
[15:12] <JBzh> TJ-: well, that requires to install the package first, but indeed it's helpful
[15:13] <ppf> TJ-: WoL and energysaving are both already switched off
[15:14] <ppf> TJ-: so that's not it :(
[15:19] <TJ-> JBzh: also, it doesn't give anything but what is on the installer media, so it won't give you everything for all packages
[15:19] <TJ-> ppf: does the device show up, link up, but not receive packets, or some other symptom?
[15:19] <ppf> not receiving packets
[15:19] <ppf> outbound packets are fine though
[15:21] <on3pk> Hey guys.  I'm trying to use an sqlite database.  I'm part of the www-data group, but www-data isn't able to write to the database.
[15:21] <on3pk> Group permissions on both the directory and the database file allow group writes
[15:21] <ppf> on3pk: check id, are you really part of the group
[15:22] <on3pk> that's just with the groups command, right?
[15:22] <andai> Why do some apps look like Windows 95? How do I tell them which GTK theme to use? Even better, can I configure something so that they figure it out for themselves?
[15:22] <ppf> on3pk: sure that works too
[15:23] <on3pk> Ok, here is the output from that command: on3pk sudo www-data lxd
[15:24] <TJ-> JBzh: The only thing I can see is to install (all!?) packages locally then do "egrep -roh 'db_[sg]et .*' /var/lib/dpkg/info/ | sort -bu "
[15:24] <TJ-> on3pk: did you logout after adding the user to the group?
[15:25] <on3pk> Probably, this was a long time ago
[15:25] <TJ-> on3pk: are there ACLs on the directory too (lsattr)
[15:25] <on3pk> Or rather, I added myself to the group a long time ago.  It should've restarted even at least once too
[15:25] <on3pk> -------------e-- ./data
[15:26] <on3pk> ^ no idea how to interpret that
[15:28] <TJ-> on3pk: does the www-data user/group have traverse permissions on all the parent diretories from / onwards? that's the 'x' mode
[15:29] <amz32> bonjour, sur une ubuntu 17.10 j'ai une app web python websocket qui se veux etre un chatbot
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> !fr | amz32
[15:29] <amz32> ok
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> amz32: also ubuntu 17.10 is end of life
[15:30] <amz32> I have websocket application that is open source; you might to reproduce
[15:30] <amz32> but in the desktop config of ubuntu; should I open any port to make web sockets work?
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> amz32: install an ubuntu version from the topic
[15:30] <on3pk> It should?  It can read the php files in different directories
[15:30] <amz32> lotuspsychje: ok
[15:31] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | amz32
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> amz32: do you have a firewall on ubuntu?
[15:31] <ppf> TJ-: by outbounds packets are fine i mean, the DHCP receives the discover and sends the responds, but my machine doesn't receive it.
[15:32] <TJ-> ppf: that is the classic symptom of the WoL power-save issue, yes
[15:32] <ppf> i just checked, WoL is also switched of in bios
[15:32] <TJ-> ppf: the chip's phy RX side is sleeping, doesn't get woke up
[15:32] <ppf> *off
[15:32] <on3pk> TJ-, I tried to create a file using PHP and this was the result "Warning: fopen(newfile.txt): failed to open stream: Permission denied"
[15:32] <TJ-> ppf: maybe enable it in BIOS so the OS can tinker with it then?
[15:33] <ppf> TJ-: i switched it off only after the problem appeared
[15:33] <TJ-> ppf: :) I thought that might be the case
[15:34] <TJ-> ppf: well I'm pretty sure you've got the issue I'm thinking of. I wonder if it's an ACPI problem. There's a potential workaround for that if so. Read http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[15:37] <zeryx> is there a way to read a browsers cache from a fs perspective, to determine what website you're visiting at a given moment?
[15:37] <on3pk> TJ-, there were some steps on stackoverflow that worked.  Thanks for your help in diagnosing the problem
[15:38] <zeryx> I think there's ways to do that for most other tasks, especially local ones
[15:38] <zeryx> as evrything is logged somewhere
[15:38] <zeryx> not 100% sure if work done in a chrome browser is 100% stored on the local machine
[15:39] <TJ-> zeryx: probably uses an internal database; e.g. Firefox uses/used  sqlite
[15:40] <zeryx> ahh interesting
[15:43] <TJ-> files are generally cached, possibly under $HOME/.cache/mozilla/firefox/<profile-name>/ for Firefox
[15:44] <zeryx> oh yea that's 100% it
[15:44] <zeryx> thanks TJ!
[15:45] <ppf> TJ-: looks like i've done that before as well :(
[15:45] <TJ-> ppf: this only happens after a wamr reboot from Windows to Linux, yes?
[15:45] <ppf> yes
[15:45] <TJ-> ppf: definitely the issue then
[15:45] <ppf> hm, not sure if warm
[15:46] <zeryx> wow you can even extract the visited urls in plaintext from the binary
[15:46] <zeryx> nifty
[15:46] <JBzh> yay! found a working method for all packages: download package (aptitude download pkgname), extract template (apt-extracttemplates -t ./ pkgfullname.deb) , the read template to get preseed usable parameters (egrep "^Template|^Type" *.template*)
[15:47] <TJ-> ppf: this is the I217 chipset (according to lspci) ?
[15:47] <TJ-> JBzh: nice find :)
[15:48] <ppf> yup
[15:48] <ppf> I217-V
[15:49] <TJ-> ppf: this post, comments #6 onwards (with screenshot) describe it https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=191981
[15:50] <TJ-> ppf: comment #14 says "I only had to un-check the box "Wake on Magic Packet from power off state" and my wired connection works on both OS'es"
[15:51] <TJ-> ppf: comment #16 shows a script to reset the NIC from Linux
[15:53] <ppf> TJ-: that dialog looks vastly different than mine
[15:53] <TJ-> ppf: really? which Windows version is on yours?
[15:54] <ppf> 7
[15:54] <TJ-> ppf: maybe there's an updated driver from Intel for win7 ?
[15:54] <ppf> maybe, i think i'm using the builtin one
[15:54] <TJ-> ppf: try the device-reset option from Linux
[15:55] <ppf> i will
[15:55] <ppf> i'd tried disabling wol through ethtool via udev
[15:55] <ppf> that didn't help
[15:55] <ppf> but i can try the reset
[15:55] <ppf> gotta head for a fancy dinner first, though :)
[15:58] <Jesperhead> might i find ubuntu touch support here as well?
[15:58] <compdoc> you can always ask
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> Jesperhead: ubuntu-touch is not supported anymore
[15:58] <TJ-> ppf: no, disabling WoL isn't the issue, it's controlling the chip's power-saving modes which is missing from the driver
[15:58] <Jesperhead> a shame
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> Jesperhead: join #ubports for the community project
[15:58] <Jesperhead> ty
[16:01] <TJ-> ppf: try playing with the e1000e module's SmartPowerDownEnable:Enable option
[16:05] <noobys> guys, i've made a mistake and i've installed ubuntu mate, but i think i like more ubuntu gnome, is possible to switch to it with out reinstalling? whats recommended?
[16:08] <ppf> why does disabling wol help then?
[16:09] <amz32> noobys: in the login screen in principle you can choose your desktop, not sure when ,int is in the party what happens tho
[16:09] <EriC^> noobys: if it's a fresh install, just reinstall
[16:09] <noobys> is quite fresh install, thanks i will reinstall :)
[16:12] <TJ-> ppf: it doesn't necessarily, as one commenter said, it was disabling the magic packet power state, which essentially means disabling power to the RX side of the PHY, which matches with the symptoms we see. It would be interesting to try sending the magic packet from another device on the network to the affected PC and see if that wakes up the Rx side!!
[16:12] <TJ-> ppf: yeah, more i think about that the more sense it would make - you should try it!
[16:13] <TJ-> ppf: "The magic packet is a broadcast frame containing anywhere within its payload 6 bytes of all 255 (FF FF FF FF FF FF in hexadecimal), followed by sixteen repetitions of the target computer's 48-bit MAC address, for a total of 102 bytes."
[16:16] <TJ-> ppf: use "etherwake" if you do test that
[16:31] <Psi-Jack> I'm having a recurring issue with systray icons not showing up as they should. Some will end up showing up after I `alt+f2` and `r` to restart the gnome-shell, but having to do this every time is a royal PITA.
[16:32] <siv_> PITA
[16:32] <siv_> haha i like that
[16:32] <siv_> never heard before
[16:32] <Psi-Jack> Pain In The A*#
[16:32] <siv_> hell, I hadn't even heard afaik until recently
[16:32] <Psi-Jack> heh
[16:32] <siv_> what is freenode?
[16:32] <siv_> good place?
[16:32] <siv_> wait a minute.. this is my alt nick... who got siv on here? wtf
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> siv_: only ubuntu issues here please
[16:33] <siv_> k sorry lotus
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: you mean the indicators?
[16:34] <senaps> hi all, my squid proxy refuses to connect to some sites, youtube, reddit and twitter it doesn't connect, google i can connect. i can see my server's ip when i get whatsmyip on google too. what could be the problem?
[16:34] <senaps> i have a telegram desktop using it as proxy to connect to internet too.
[16:35] <Psi-Jack> lotuspsychje: Indicators as they used to be called in Unity, yes.
[16:35] <siv_> ok here's an ubuntu question for ya.. every time I "sudo apt-get update/upgrade" I get a message about Tox not being secure. How the heck do I remove that stuff? Is it with sudo apt-get purge?
[16:36] <siv_> "Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use."
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> siv_: did you add external ppa's to your system?
[16:36] <siv_> believe so
[16:37] <siv_> have added some
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> siv_: we cant support them here mate, we advice to revert back to vanilla sources.list
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | siv_
[16:40] <Psi-Jack> Any thoughts as to the cause of the appindicators/systray icons not showing up in the topbar?
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: did we not go through this before already?
[16:41] <Psi-Jack> It's even when I start something new, that has an icon, it doesn't show up until I restart gnome-shell.
[16:41] <Psi-Jack> lotuspsychje: No.
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: have you tested this from a new user yet?
[16:41] <Psi-Jack> I've tested this from 3 different computers, actually.
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: wich indicator are we talking about? all?
[16:41] <Psi-Jack> All.
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: did you clean install ubuntu or upgrade?
[16:42] <Psi-Jack> Rambox, Synergy, Enpass, KeePassXC, Pidgin, etc..
[16:42] <Psi-Jack> This was a clean 18.04 install.
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: have you installed gnome-tweak-tool?
[16:42] <Psi-Jack> I did.
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: so their not disabled right?
[16:44] <Psi-Jack> When I looked at the Extensions, the Dock and AppIndicator extensions were disabled, by default, according to the Tweak tool there, since installing it.
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: enable indicators?
[16:44] <Psi-Jack> Makes no difference.
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: are you sure your apps have indicators on bionic?
[16:46] <Psi-Jack> They were working fine, and now not. And they show up after I restart gnome-shell with the command console.
[16:46] <Psi-Jack> So, 100% sure, yes.
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: did you bug this?
[16:48] <Psi-Jack> Report it as a bug, not yet.
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: please try
[16:48] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: any signs of GPU rendering issues that might be related? I've seen something similar in the past with GPUs with limited memory due to compositor - e.g. KDE plasma
[16:48] <rootweiler> 23:49 < leftyfb> rootweiler: this is an ubuntu support channel
[16:49] <rootweiler> The sky is blue?
[16:49] <rootweiler> Not sure what we're doing here
[16:49] <Psi-Jack> TJ-: Nope. It's happening on my desktop, Nvidia GPU, and laptop, Intel GPU.
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> rootweiler: can we help you?
[16:49] <Psi-Jack> Seems from google searching, I'm not the only one experiencing this specific issue though.
[16:49] <rootweiler> lotuspsychje: Why does everyone keep asking rootweiler that?
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> rootweiler: please only ubuntu questions here, this is no regular chat
[16:50] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: is it using Xorg (default) or Wayland, or was there a mix of both across those devices?
[16:50] <rootweiler> lotuspsychje: What is with this aggression?
[16:51] <rootweiler> I knew FOSS made people angry.
[16:51] <Psi-Jack> Laptop has a mix of both. Desktop with Nvidia is just Xorg.
[16:51] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: possibly related Bug #1774957
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: can you help rootweiler here :p
[16:51] <Psi-Jack> Laptop has a mix of both likely because of gdm?
[16:52] <hggdh> rootweiler: this is the Ubuntu support channel. Please keep on topic. Off-topic comments can be made elsewhere, like #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:52] <Psi-Jack> TJ-: Yep. That's pretty much identicle.
[16:53] <Psi-Jack> Except, I don't need to disconnect my network cable.
[16:53] <Psi-Jack> I just simply use the shell console to restart gnome-shell, and the icons generally show up after the restart completes.
[16:53] <Psi-Jack> Updated icons that were missing before, show up.
[16:53] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: reading the linked gnome bug comments seems to indicate the devs aren't sure what is going on
[16:53] <Psi-Jack> heh
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: did you make a screenshot of empty top bar?
[16:54] <Psi-Jack> When did systray/appindicator icons start appearing on the topbar anyway? They never were in actual original Gnome.
[16:54] <Psi-Jack> lotuspsychje: Not yet, but I sure can. Heck, can make a screen recording too, since gnome has that built-in now.
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: they forked indicators on 17.10 and higher i think
[16:55] <Psi-Jack> Unless the screen recording stops while restarting. :)
[16:56] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I'm thinking this may not be upstream, because the indicators in the topbar are not standard Gnome.
[17:00] <Psi-Jack> Also. FYI. Don't think of me as a newbie. I've been using Linux since ~'92. Only just recently started using Ubuntu again with 18.04 since things have changed.
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: indicators work fine here..
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: tested indicator-multiload & classicmenu-indicator
[17:02] <Psi-Jack> I wonder if it's an extension that's messing it up... Tilix is the only extra extension I have installed on my laptop so far and its with problem too.
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: how about one of the apps indicator dont work well, and borke the others maybe?
[17:05] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: any clues in $HOME/.xsession-errors ?
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: he says he get this on 3 boxes
[17:06] <TJ-> i know... could the common theme be they're all on the same network!?
[17:06] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: not got some unusual UTF-8 character in a network name or something like that?
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: you using themes?
[17:07] <Psi-Jack> Just the default theme.
[17:07] <Psi-Jack> No unusual characters in the network name no.
[17:08] <Psi-Jack> Different networks too.
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: on my box, in gnome-tweak-tool indicators extension is enabled
[17:09] <Psi-Jack> Wierd
[17:10] <Psi-Jack> It was disabled on all the systems I installed it to.
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: at wich point exactly they stopped working?
[17:10] <Psi-Jack> Just randomly. Today.
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: open a tail -f /var/log/syslog see if you can catch some gnome shell errors
[17:11] <Psi-Jack> My primary desktop I have a few gnome extensions I recently installed. But on the two laptops only the tilix one is installed and from the Ubuntu repos.
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: how about a screenshot, with all your working indicators?
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: perhaps i could test a few, see what happens
[17:12] <Psi-Jack> Okay. When I get back to my desk I will. I'm out in the drive thru picking up lunch. 😊
[17:13] <Sven_vB> can I use fail2ban to temporarily ban anyone who begins their smtp session with "AUTH LOGIN"?
[17:14] <Psi-Jack> Well pidgin is one that never even shows an app indicator at all. Even after restarting the shell.
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: did you ever see one?
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> ok lemme try pidgin
[17:15] <Psi-Jack> Rambox is third party from their github releases.
[17:15] <Psi-Jack> No never
[17:15] <Psi-Jack>  though most installed pidgin this morning
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: for github, as their forum
[17:16] <Psi-Jack> Just
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> ask
[17:18] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. And nextcloud-client I installed today from ppa. Same issue. Keepassxc no icon though it's enabled.
[17:18] <Psi-Jack> Trying to think what else while I'm waiting
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: we dont support external ppa's here
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: let me logout to check
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: pidgin doesnt show indicator indeed
[17:25] <TJ-> is it a dbus issue?
[17:26] <Psi-Jack> Pidgin you have to configure it to show the indicator always or it only shows up with a new message.
[17:27] <Psi-Jack> Keepassxc is similar that you have to enable it
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: when highlighted, only system message but no indicator
[17:32] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Exactly.
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: im gonna file a bug for it, as preferences has the indicator option enable/disable
[17:33] <Psi-Jack> Hah. Wow.
[17:33] <Psi-Jack> Now that I unlocked my desktop returning home.. All my indicators are gone again.
[17:34] <Psi-Jack> Restart shell, they're back. (except pidgin still)
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: try from preferences, see if its always enabled
[17:35] <Psi-Jack> Pidgin I did already set it to that. Hence why I knew to say so. :)
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: while we testing indicators anyway, could you install indicator-multiload for me, see if it works well?
[17:36] <Psi-Jack> Every time I lock my desktop, the appicons hide.
[17:37] <Psi-Jack> Roger that. installing indicator-multiload
[17:37] <CoolerZ> how do i restart the bluetooth daemon?
[17:37] <Psi-Jack> indicator-multiload did not show up until after restarting the shell.
[17:38] <Psi-Jack> Gets hidden again, when I lock and unlock.
[17:38] <Psi-Jack> Along with the rest.
[17:38] <CoolerZ> i removed a device from blueman and now its not showing up when i searcb
[17:38] <CoolerZ> search in blueman
[17:39] <Psi-Jack> So, simply locking the desktop is all it takes to re-experience the problem. :)
[17:40] <Psi-Jack> The laptop, on the other hand... Doesn't exhibit that same locking issue as my desktop is. :/
[17:40] <peter_> hi folks.. anybody familiar with gscan2pdf
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: dont unlock this time, can you see multiload indicator?
[17:40] <peter_> ?
[17:41] <Psi-Jack> lotuspsychje: What do you mean?
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: i mean after you restart gnome shell, can you see indicator-multiload or not?
[17:41] <Psi-Jack> Yes
[17:41] <CoolerZ> help
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: i can see it, but disformed
[17:42] <Psi-Jack> Yes, it is disformed.
[17:42] <Psi-Jack> Jerky even, like it's bounding back and fourth.
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: ok good, add yourself affected on these 2 bugs please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/1786084
[17:42] <CoolerZ> someone help
[17:43] <CoolerZ> the problem is only on ubuntu
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-multiload/+bug/1758974
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> !patience | CoolerZ
[17:43] <CoolerZ> i can connect my headphones to my android phone just fine
[17:43] <Psi-Jack> Hah. Ubuntu One is failing me to logging in. :/
[17:45] <Hanumaan> with sudo do-release-upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 .. still says "No new release found", why is it not yet enabled?
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> Hanumaan: there is a bug on it currently
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> Hanumaan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1766890
[17:47] <Psi-Jack> lotuspsychje: Yeah, Launchpad is throwing errors when I try to login. :/
[17:47] <Psi-Jack> After I login, I should say.
[17:47] <ledeni> CoolerZ: try 'sudo bluetoothctl'
[17:48] <Hanumaan> lotuspsychje: ah ok .. it(18.04.1) was supposed to be by 26-Jul, hopefully it is going to be done soon?
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> Hanumaan: is your system up to date to latest?
[17:49] <Hanumaan> lotuspsychje: I have 16.04.5 to latest
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> Hanumaan: bug says fix released
[17:50] <Hanumaan> lotuspsychje: so you mean I should try with -d option or wait for couple of days?
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> Hanumaan: no dont use -d that can take you to cosmic
[17:51] <CoolerZ> ledeni, now what
[17:52] <Hanumaan> lotuspsychje: ok then may be couple days need to wait and may be 18.04.1 upgrade will be enabled
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> Hanumaan: keep your system up to date daily, when ready it will surely come
[17:52] <Hanumaan> lotuspsychje: ok, I actually wanted to try something new thing and before that want to upgrade to 18.04
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: try again or make new account? its important several users affect to bugs
[17:53] <Psi-Jack> Oh, I've tried again, and again.. I keetp getting an error from Ubuntu One's SSO with an Error ID and all.
[17:53] <Psi-Jack> "Something went wrong in Launchpad"
[17:54] <lordcirth_work> Ok why does Alt-arrow keys switch to a tty now
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: check their channel, topic mentions something about sso
[17:54] <lordcirth_work> It used to be Ctrl-Alt-arrow.  Now I can't alttab properly
[17:54] <Psi-Jack> lotuspsychje: What channel?
[17:54] <CoolerZ> hel
[17:55] <CoolerZ> help
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> Psi-Jack: #ubuntuone
[17:55] <CoolerZ> my headphones used to show up in the list in blueman
[17:55] <CoolerZ> but after i removed it from the list, now they don't show up even if you search
[17:58] <TJ-> CoolerZ: maybe they need to be put into pairing mode again too?
[17:59] <CoolerZ> how do i do that?
[17:59] <CoolerZ> i turned my headphones on and off
[17:59] <TJ-> CoolerZ: some devices will only pair with a limted number of other hosts, your headset may be one of those
[17:59] <TJ-> CoolerZ: read the manual
[17:59] <CoolerZ> so what do i do in that case?
[18:00] <TJ-> CoolerZ: put it into pairing mode so it'll replace an existing registered pairing
[18:01] <CoolerZ> i did that already by holding down the power button for 3 seconds
[18:02] <TJ-> CoolerZ: and doing search from the PC? did you ensure the headset is close? sometimes wifi can overwhelm the bluetooth signal
[18:02] <CoolerZ> yeah its very close
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: you didnt go in hibernate or so?
[18:02] <TJ-> CoolerZ: what is the make/model of the headset?
[18:03] <CoolerZ> http://www.boat-lifestyle.com/rockerz510/index.html
[18:04] <ledeni> CoolerZ: logout and login  and try search agian
[18:06] <CoolerZ> ledeni, already did that
[18:06] <CoolerZ> there is something wrong with bluetooth, when i log out and log in then bluetooth turns off
[18:06] <ninsei> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: tail -f /var/log/syslog and disable/enable again play a bit with BT
[18:11] <TJ-> CoolerZ: are any other devices connected via Bluetooth? Are any other devices discoverable?
[18:11] <CoolerZ> yes
[18:11] <CoolerZ> mouse is connect via bluetooth
[18:13] <ledeni> CoolerZ: can you give us 'cat /var/log/dpkg.log | nc termbin.com 9999'
[18:13] <TJ-> CoolerZ: right, so it isn't blocked on the PC via rfkill
[18:14] <TJ-> CoolerZ: the headset is able to connect to other devices right now? This isn't a problem with low battery?
[18:19] <h31> Hello. When 16.04 -> 18.04.1 upgrade path will be enabled?
[18:20] <theor_> Hi. How many snaps can one install? I think the kernel has a 256 loop devices limit, does Canonical patch the kernel? Or is it impossible to go beyong 256 snaps?
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> h31: there's currently a bug on it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1766890
[18:22] <h31> lotuspsychje: If I don't use Gnome (I'm a Mate user), there should be no problems upgrading to 18.04?
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> h31: when upgrade path is ready, you should get the upgrade window there is a new ubuntu version
[18:24] <h31> lotuspsychje: Will it happen soon or later? If I remember correctly, the promised time was 18.04.1 release date.
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> h31: few days after...when its ready it will come
[18:25] <h31> lotuspsychje: Well... Ok, thank you.
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> h31: keep your system up to date daily ok
[18:29] <CoolerZ> TJ-, it is able to connect to my android phone
[18:29] <CoolerZ> but it doesn't show up on my laptop
[18:29] <TJ-> CoolerZ: right, so we've elliminated the obvious problems
[18:29] <TJ-> CoolerZ: have you used "bluetoothctl" to try to scan?
[18:30] <CoolerZ> TJ-, kernel: [ 3739.360224] Bluetooth: hci0: last event is not cmd complete (0x0f)
[18:32] <TJ-> CoolerZ: does this happen after a reboot?
[18:32] <TJ-> CoolerZ: it's always possible the hardware has got confused
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: did you try this on a new user?
[18:38] <ledeni> CoolerZ: this is 18.04 ubuntu or ...
[18:39] <Elysium3301> Anyone with a modern Ubuntu Touch device nearby that can test something really quick?
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> Elysium3301: ubuntu-touch is not supported anymore
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> Elysium3301: join #ubports instead, the community project
[18:40] <Elysium3301> Oh they have their own channel, alright!
[18:40] <Elysium3301> Thanks
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> Elysium3301: no problem
[18:41] <TJ-> CoolerZ: I noticed in the Rocker z510 FAQ it suggests the headset won't pair if it is currently connected to another device
[19:00] <enko> Is there any way for me to see the items that auto start with Systemctl ?
[19:02] <bigpic> hey guys I’m trying to make the switch over to netplan but I can’t figure out how to properly convert these lines:
[19:02] <bigpic>         up ip route add 10.5.1.0/24 dev eno3 src 10.5.1.60 table mgmt
[19:02] <bigpic>         up ip route add default via 10.5.1.1 dev eno3 table mgmt
[19:02] <bigpic>         up ip rule add from 10.5.1.60/32 table mgmt
[19:02] <bigpic>         up ip rule add to 10.5.1.60/32 table mgmt
[19:02] <CoolerZ> ok so nothing works
[19:02] <CoolerZ> can i resinstall blueman?
[19:03] <bigpic> I specifically can’t replicate this statement from ip route show
[19:03] <bigpic> 10.5.1.0/24 dev eno3  table mgmt  scope link  src 10.5.1.60
[19:04] <bigpic> any ideas?
[19:04] <ryuo> bigpic: what is your netplan set to use? networkd?
[19:04] <bigpic> yea networkd
[19:04] <ryuo> bigpic: this will take a bit. PM?
[19:05] <zossso> I haven16.04 and lower. I read that swap files are being used instead of swap partitions since 17.10
[19:05] <zossso> anyone direct me to a FAQ regarding the change from swap partitions swap files
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> !swap | zossso
[19:06] <CoolerZ> TJ-, reinstalled blueman and no change
[19:06] <CoolerZ> might have to reinstall the bluetooth drivers
[19:06] <TJ-> CoolerZ: have you tried disabling and re-enabling the BT device using the hardware radio switch, or doing a soft-block using the "rkfill" command?
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: try another user and another kernel, see dmesg errors, syslog
[19:07] <TJ-> CoolerZ: just to confirm - the headset isn't connected to another device without you realising when trying to pair with the PC, is it?
[19:07] <CoolerZ> TJ-, i haven't tried rfkill but i did try the hardware radio switch on the headphones
[19:07] <TJ-> CoolerZ: i'm on about on the PC only
[19:07] <TJ-> CoolerZ: it forces the BT hardware in the PC to be reset
[19:08] <CoolerZ> there is no such switch on the laptop
[19:08] <TJ-> CoolerZ: is it possible this started happening after you suspended/resumed the PC?
[19:08] <TJ-> CoolerZ: ah, probably it has a hotkey combination then, like Fn+F7
[19:09] <CoolerZ> TJ-, no the headphones were connected to the pc and working;
[19:09] <CoolerZ> after i locked and unlocked the bluetooth was off and i couldn't turn it on
[19:09] <CoolerZ> so i restarted
[19:09] <CoolerZ> and then it wouldn't connect to the headphones so i removed them from the list in blueman
[19:10] <CoolerZ> and now it never shows up in the list again
[19:10] <TJ-> CoolerZ: hmmm. that "locked and unlocked" - was that a suspend operation?
[19:10] <TJ-> CoolerZ: it's weird because you say the BT mouse is working - that points the finger at the headset :)
[19:11] <TJ-> CoolerZ: If the PC doesn't see it when searching that suggests the headset isn't advertising itself
[19:11] <CoolerZ> TJ-, in ubuntu 18.04 at the top right if you click the arrow
[19:11] <CoolerZ> you get a dropdown with a lock button
[19:11] <TJ-> CoolerZ: one thing you could do as a test. Delete the headset from your phone, try to pair it with the PC and see if the phone spots the headset
[19:12] <TJ-> CoolerZ: ahh, OK. I don't use gnome, so it's just a screen-lock
[19:12] <TJ-> CoolerZ: that'd prove the headset is advertising itself
[19:14] <CoolerZ> TJ-, are you saying i should unpair from the phone and try to repair to the phone?
[19:14] <CoolerZ> its not currently connected to the phone btw
[19:16] <TJ-> CoolerZ: no, not that. Just delete it in the phone. Then try to pair headset with the PC. Whilst doing that put the phone into discover mode and  check if it can see the headset. if it can, and the PC cannot, we at least know the headset is correctly advertising itself in pairing mode
[19:16] <CoolerZ> TJ-, after unpairing, i can search bluetooth devices on the phone and it shows up in the list
[19:16] <TJ-> CoolerZ: or maybe try this with another phone that has never paired with the headset
[19:16] <TJ-> CoolerZ: right, so the headset is advertising itself. This is very weird :)
[19:16] <CoolerZ> TJ-, don't have access to any other devices right now
[19:17] <CoolerZ> TJ-, yeah i am pretty sure its something on the laptop side
[19:17] <CoolerZ> currently my laptop is set to dual boot windows 10 and ubuntu 18.04
[19:17] <CoolerZ> the headphones seem to work slight more reliably with windows
[19:17] <TJ-> CoolerZ: I'm wondering if there's  bluetoothd dir/file interfering here. bluetoothd keeps track of paired devices under "/var/lib/bluetooth/" - there's a directory named for the MAC address of each device. If you see your headet's MAC there, try removing that directory
[19:18] <CoolerZ> although its still flaky
[19:24] <ledeni> CoolerZ: can you give us  'systemctl status bluetooth.service | nc termbin.com 9999'
[19:24] <PigDude> I'm running 18.04.1 on an Apple Macbook Pro, the system doesn't perform very well though. I have `intel-microcode` installed and it is loaded, is there anything else I can do? I saw some advice about enabling the microcode from Software Updater, but it doesn't appear in the "Additional Drivers" tab
[19:25] <netmaniack> Hello. Is there a way how can I run ubuntu server 18.04.1 whitout videocard?
[19:25] <klandestine> you could use ssh to login to it
[19:25] <PigDude> `kworker` is consistently using 90% CPU and basic webpages render very slowly
[19:25] <newdimension> I'm trying to sudo make install redis, but it keeps telling me it's a good idea to run make test, even though I ran it
[19:25] <PigDude> also small programs take a noticeable time to start
[19:26] <netmaniack> Whe I remove videocard server is no longer accessable klandestine.
[19:26] <netmaniack> Server have a static ip.
[19:26] <klandestine> are you familiar with ssh?
[19:26] <CoolerZ> http://termbin.com/tekak
[19:26] <CoolerZ> ledeni, ^
[19:26] <netmaniack> Yes, I use it aal the time.
[19:26] <klandestine> ssh into the computer in question
[19:27] <TJ-> ledeni: bear in mind the bluetooth mouse is working fine - it's only the headset having problems
[19:27] <PigDude> I'm running Xfce so I expect the system to be fairly quick
[19:27] <CoolerZ> TJ-, right
[19:28] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. So, I disabled most of my extensions save for a few... And the appindicators on a fresh boot actually appeared without a problem.
[19:28] <TJ-> PigDude: check 'dmesg' for device I/O errors
[19:28] <CoolerZ> maybe i need to reinstall ubuntu
[19:28] <netmaniack> klandestine: You mean running connecting to server via ssh or something else?
[19:28] <Psi-Jack> And new ones from newly loaded apps, also show up.
[19:28] <klandestine> exactly
[19:28] <TJ-> CoolerZ: I very much doubt it, it's not like Windows !
[19:28] <CoolerZ> yeah theres no option to reinstall just the drivers
[19:28] <netmaniack> klandestine: Yes, I use it to manage servers.
[19:28] <TJ-> CoolerZ: if you're using GUI tools, have you tried creating a new user account and trying to pair with blueman from that?
[19:29] <Psi-Jack> Locking and unlocking the desktop no longer seems to hide the appindicator icons either.
[19:29] <TJ-> CoolerZ: drivers are fine - they're working with the mouse :)
[19:29] <klandestine> you won't need the video card on that computer if you use ssh to log into the computer
[19:29] <CoolerZ> TJ-, a new user?
[19:29] <CoolerZ> what GUI tools
[19:29] <Psi-Jack> Pidgin's still doesn't show at all, though.
[19:30] <netmaniack> klandestine: When I remove videocard I can hear hdd spinning, loading stuff, but I cant access it.
[19:30] <PigDude> TJ-, here are lines with "error" in them: https://lpaste.net/1239725417884024832
[19:30] <PigDude> I don't see anything serious but I'm not too versed in dmesg output
[19:30] <netmaniack> klandestine: Ill check closer bios config, maybe something is there.
[19:31] <PigDude> ah interesting, found https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117481#c0 from https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/7uwz3r/1604_lts_vs_1710_on_2015_macbook_pro/dto1mtb/
[19:31] <PigDude> (from https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029745/ubuntu-18-04-w-macbook-pro-kworker-keeps-hogging-up-my-cpu-solved)
[19:31] <TJ-> PigDude: the word 'error' might not appear, best thing is to show the last few lines from the log: "pastebinit <( dmesg | tail -n 250 )"
[19:31] <PigDude> sure, one second
[19:32] <TJ-> PigDude: oh, that bug looks promising, does it match the hardware you have?
[19:32] <PigDude> It's fairly close, I have a 2013 MBP. I'm going to give it a try
[19:34] <PigDude> scanning the last 500 lines of dmesg, the worst I see are some PCI mapping failures
[19:35] <PigDude> those look like this: https://lpaste.net/2038195336115126272
[19:35] <TJ-> right, so it's not a failing storage device failing I/O - that's the usual culprit
[19:35] <Psi-Jack> Wierd... I re-enabled the gnome extensions, rebooted. Same result as desired, everything is showing up (except pidgin)
[19:36] <netmaniack> klandestine: Nothning in bios that could block it. By any chanse grub can block boot process whitout videocard?
[19:36] <TJ-> PigDude: for those PCI issues you could try booting with the kernel cmdline addition "pci=realloc"
[19:37] <ledeni> CoolerZ: By default, your Bluetooth device is hidden. You need to make it visible so that it can be discovered by other devices.Go to “Adaptor -> Preferences” and change the visibility setting to “Always visible” or “Temporarily visible,” whichever you prefer. You can also set a name for your Bluetooth device. This name is what will show up when other Bluetooth devices discover your PC.
[19:37] <PigDude> TJ-, neat, thanks, I'll give that a try
[19:37] <CoolerZ> ledeni, its not hidden
[19:38] <CoolerZ> its already set to always visible
[19:38] <CoolerZ> i tried switching user
[19:38] <CoolerZ> no hange
[19:38] <CoolerZ> change*
[19:38] <TJ-> CoolerZ: right, I didn't think there would be but it rules out a per-user setting
[19:38] <TJ-> CoolerZ: I've got a feeling the headset has fallen out with the PC :)
[19:40] <PigDude> TJ-, disabling that interrupt made a huge difference!
[19:40] <TJ-> PigDude: success! :)
[19:41] <PigDude> last time i ran linux on an apple was when I first used Ubunut, 6.10 (Edgy Eft), it's impressive how much the distro has improved for macs
[19:41] <TJ-> PigDude: yeah, Apple had to make it compatible else their profits would dip :p
[19:42] <TJ-> PigDude: nothing to do with a community of open-source developers!
[19:42] <PigDude> TJ-, :D
[19:43] <generic> does ubuntu support the vega11 apu ?
[19:45] <Psi-Jack> Alright, going to see if this makes any difference on the laptop.
[19:45] <dfgg19> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[19:47] <misterpink> unable to mount a windows 10 partitition due to hibernation state?
[19:47] <Psi-Jack> lotuspsychje: OKay... Now it's not even doing it on the laptop. WTF over? ;)
[19:48] <SimonNL> misterpink: fully shutdown windows.
[19:48] <SimonNL> misterpink: power management of windows   disable fastboot/hibernation
[19:50] <misterpink> duno have admin password
[19:50] <misterpink> must disable fastboot yes
[19:50] <ledeni> CoolerZ: can you give us 'pacmd list-cards | nc termbin.com 9999'
[19:52] <Moreira> boa tarde
[19:53] <tomreyn> !br oie, Moreira
[19:53] <tomreyn> !br | oie, Moreira
[19:53] <Moreira> alguem sabe se consigo instalar  skype 4.3 ubuntu 32 bits_
[20:01] <oerheks> the !skype factoid is up2date, snap gives 64 bit only, and the older versions do not work
[20:05] <Sven_vB> does anyone know what the "stime" field in ps is? my manpage has several references to it ("see also: … stime") but doesn't seem to explain it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PV3b2GjFPY/
[20:07] <Shibe23> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[20:07] <Shibe23> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[20:07] <Shibe23> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[20:08] <guardian11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[20:08] <guardian11> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[20:08] <guardian11> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[20:14] <andrewh> I have a problem with one of my usb drives. I'm not sure what or how to fix it.
[20:14] <blurkis> andrewh, describe the problem.
[20:14] <andrewh> Part of the problem is that it mounts as read-only.
[20:15] <YADW> Hi everyone! Been away for a while, are the spammers still around?
[20:15] <blurkis> andrewh, have you tried it on another computer? The same there?
[20:15] <andrewh> Earlier, I had a problem where cp would freeze, such that I had to forcibly eject the drive, and I think this caused the problem.
[20:16] <andrewh> No
[20:16] <andrewh> one sec
[20:16] <blurkis> andrewh, tried to reformat it? (if there is a filesystem error on it..)
[20:16] <andrewh> no
[20:17] <blurkis> andrewh, and check the system logs for io errors. (I would guess hardware errors..)
[20:17] <andrewh> how do i do that?
[20:18] <blurkis> andrewh, I very rarely use usb drives but if it shows up in Files (nautilus) then you should be able to do it from there.
[20:18] <blurkis> andrewh, or the disk utility
[20:19] <blurkis> andrewh, if you start gnome-disks  then it should show up there and you can format it from there.  That would be the best way I think
[20:21] <tomreyn> andrewh: if you want to keep the data, you can also run a file system check against the existing file systems, as i suggested yesterday.
 andrewh: i suggest you "umount /dev/sdc1; sudo fsck /dev/sdc1; sync; sudo eject /dev/sdc1" to fix the file system on the stick, then pull and reconnect the usb storage to a different usb socket/connector/jack on the computer
[20:21] <andrewh> blurkis, i don't know how to do any of that
[20:22] <tomreyn> it may not be sdc1 anymore, though. lsblk should tell
[20:22] <andrewh> it's still sdc1
[20:22] <andrewh> tomreyn, i
[20:22] <andrewh> tomreyn, i'll try your advice
[20:23] <tomreyn> works for me :)
[20:23] <andrewh> i reinstalled xubuntu btw, and copying and pasting seems to work on one of my drives which seems uncorrupted, but i obviously still have a problem with the other drive
[20:23] <andrewh> I mean cp worked, not copying and pasting
[20:24] <andrewh> i'm guessing copying and pasting will now work also
[20:24] <Guelo> hello
[20:24] <Guelo> I cannot install ubuntu 16.04 server on an intell server with raid1 soft
[20:25] <Guelo> I have 2x3TB disk
[20:25] <Guelo> my partition sheme is: partion boot, partion, swap, the rest for /
[20:25] <Guelo> at the end of the install grub installation failed
[20:25] <Guelo> do you have an idea?
[20:25] <Guelo> thanks
[20:26] <kwstas> hello. IRC CHAT : WWW.GREEKCHAT.EU
[20:26] <andrewh> tomreyn, "Dirty bit is set. Fs was no properly ulnmounted and some data may be corrupt. 1) Remove dirty bit 2) No action"
[20:26] <ryuo> Guelo: do you have any logs?
[20:26] <Guelo> No logs sorry
[20:26] <ryuo> Guelo: and what "raid" are you using? it sounds like MB fake raid.
[20:27] <Guelo> each time, grub insatllation failed
[20:27] <tomreyn> andrewh: if that's during fsck, you remove it
[20:27] <blurkis> andrewh, press the windows logo on the keyboard.  Then start entering gnome-disks  and the correct application should come up.  Its called Disks if I remember correct.
[20:27] <blurkis> andrewh, with your usb drive connected it should show up there.
[20:28] <andrewh> Free cluster summary wrong. Do I correct it?
[20:29] <tomreyn> andrewh: yes. and the same answer will probably to the next 100 prompts, too.
[20:29] <ryuo> Guelo: i always had issues with the motherboard based RAID setups. i only use software RAID now.
[20:29] <tomreyn> andrewh: there can be many prompts. you could use some option to override them
[20:29] <Guelo> Ryuo, yes that`s why I am using soft raid setup in my case
[20:30] <Guelo> but I cannot finish the installation
[20:30] <ryuo> Guelo: then what are you using? mdadm?
[20:30] <andrewh> there were just two, now it's performing changes
[20:30] <TJ-> Guelo: you say software RAID, you mean in the PC's firmware?
[20:30] <Guelo> the problem is at the installation of the os
[20:30] <andrewh> what is the dirty bit?
[20:30] <tomreyn> andrewh: that option is -a. but it'd be better to know what you're doing and to make wise decisions. that's what man pages are for.
[20:30] <Guelo> after the install generally there is no issue
[20:31] <ryuo> Guelo: We get that much. But we need to know how your whole disk setup is. the likely issue is GRUB can't find a place to install itself.
[20:31] <tomreyn> andrewh: the dirty bit is an on/off switch stored on the file system header, indicating whether a file system should be checked for errors.
[20:31] <TJ-> Guelo: is this 'fake'RAID done by the PC firmware/BIOS, or using Linux md-RAID ?
[20:31] <ryuo> How does the server boot? BIOS or UEFI?
[20:32] <tomreyn> andrewh: if you install the man-db package or look at https://manpages.ubuntu.com you can learn a lot about how ubuntu works under the hood, and make wiser decisions that way.
[20:32] <andrewh> should it take this long to perform the changes?
[20:33] <ryuo> Guelo: can take this to PC if you wish.
[20:33] <ryuo> Guelo: PM*
[20:33] <andrewh> never mind
[20:34] <andrewh> it wasn't doing anything. The changes were made
[20:34] <Guelo> Ryuo: can thak this to PC? what to you mean RYUO
[20:34] <ryuo> Guelo: meant to say PM.
[20:34] <ryuo> Guelo: private message.
[20:34] <andrewh> now it doesn't mount as read-only, so I guess that fixed it
[20:34] <andrewh> thanks
[20:34] <ryuo> andrewh: probably should run fsck if you haven't.
[20:34] <andrewh> i just did
[20:34] <ryuo> Ok.
[20:36] <tomreyn> andrewh: welcome. this should work for (v)fat file systems like i think you have on your usb sticks. ntfs, however, would be flagged 'dirty' whenever linux writes to it, that's a precautionary measure. the idea is to ensure that next time it is used on windows, it will be automatically scanner for errors (with the 'official' ntfs tools, which only exist there)
[20:37] <tomreyn> there is also ntfsfix for linux, though, and i've not run into any issues with it (but dont use ntfs very often)
[20:42] <nelson> hello, seems i have a dead hard drive in my ubuntu, can someone help me with some fdisk comands to make sure is broken,. The disk gui utility says it is a 4.1gb disk with is wrong is 1tb and says 1 error sector. if open gparted after many ignores and cancels to errors i see the same like 4gb disk and that has not partition table. my disk was ntfs data storage. could someone help me with fdisk to check my disk, thank you very much
[20:43] <rfleming> anybody in the gvfsd group able to answer whether or not gvfsd-nfs and libnfs will be available in 18.04, or am I going to have to wait for the next LTS to mount NFS in GNOME?
[20:44] <tomreyn> !smart | nelson
[20:45] <nelson> smart says disk is ok
[20:45] <tomreyn> nelson: it's difficult to interpret sometimes, mind posting it?
[20:45] <nelson> still not working show with no partition table and as a 4gb drive
[20:46] <oerheks> nelson, clear that disk in disks utility with a fresh mbr/gpt table, i think you dd'ed an iso over it
[20:46] <nelson> i know is ofchannel or oftopic but would you just please tell me a bootable distro to repair disk so i dont have the difficult of comands
[20:46] <nelson> im very low level user
[20:47] <nelson> i just boot a drive repare distro and see what happend if not repair auto i just throw away
[20:47]  * tomreyn is not aware of such
[20:47] <sillyslux__> does anybody know how much mb traffic a netinst will take?
[20:47] <tomreyn> you could use the dignosis software the vendor offers.
[20:49] <nelson> oerheks: all the optios are grey out for that disk, i can only click format but shows a 4gb partition and also gives error if i do try format those 4gb
[20:50] <nelson> let me pastebin the disc utility info
[20:50] <oerheks> well, one should unmount it first, it stays visible in disks though
[20:50] <JimBuntu> sillyslux__, if you do the minimal install, I think it's still around 750MB
[20:51] <nelson> oh sorry, how do i share screenshot? im old hehe, pastebin only for test
[20:51] <JimBuntu> sillyslux__, Oh, since you said 'traffic' maybe add a ton for the protocol overhead
[20:51] <nelson> how is it nowdays
[20:51] <rfleming> sillyslux__: I'm not quite sure the exact number... but the last few times I've done it was less than the full ISO
[20:51] <sillyslux__> oh, i wanted to install a desktop os, but i've got only ~750 mb left for today
[20:51] <JimBuntu> !paste | nelson
[20:52] <sillyslux__> shit i wasted a few hundred with on a wrong wget of netinst dir
[20:53] <rfleming> !language | sillyslux__
[20:55] <tomreyn> sillyslux__: if you're lucky, this is sufficient to get mini.iso and to download the (compressed) apckages required to install the desktop. but i'm not sure.
[20:55] <nelson> https://imgur.com/a/RfUBjYx   Thats my problem, that 4gb drive really is a 1TB
[20:55] <siv_> what command can I use to determine what version of gnome I'm running?
[20:56] <sillyslux__> i've already started the install process
[20:56] <rfleming> nelson: are you looking to recover the data on the disk... or something else?
[20:56] <ryuo> siv_: it might be in the about dialog of some applications.
[20:56] <chonto> good question siv
[20:57] <nelson> rfleming i dont really care the data, i have back ups, just want to know if if cant be fixed or its broken for garbage
[20:57] <ryuo> siv_: but, you can try running commands with --version, like gnome-terminal --version
[20:57] <rfleming> sillyslux__: in GNOME go to Settings -> Details -> About
[20:57] <rfleming> sillyslux__: sorry... wrong user
[20:57] <nelson> i belive it is a software problem coz of a windows update interruption (electricity cut) then disk died
[20:57] <rfleming> siv_: ^
[20:58] <rfleming> siv_: Settings -> Details -> About
[20:58] <nelson> i used fdisk help but is to complex for me old man
[20:58] <sillyslux__> gnome is what i'll get?
[20:58] <rfleming> or gnome-shell --version might also be a good indicator
[20:58] <sillyslux__> with 18.04?
[20:58] <nelson> just want to check and recover partitions if posible
[20:58] <rfleming> sillyslux__: GNOME is the desktop for 18.04 LTS, yes
[20:58] <ryuo> sillyslux__: With what flavor?
[20:58] <ryuo> sillyslux__: regular ubuntu is now GNOME.
[20:59] <sillyslux__> regulr
[20:59] <siv_> i'm still on 16.04. Anybody have a quick synopsis of the advantages of switching off of xenial? I've been working with this release for quite a while
[21:00] <siv_> I'm certainly open to 18.04. Gotta love the latest and greatest
[21:00] <ryuo> siv_: newer packages? if that's not of interest, then stay on 16.04
[21:00] <ryuo> siv_: latest and greatest. heh. why not run Arch then? :D
[21:00] <ryuo> lol
[21:00] <MirkoKa> siv_: apt-cache policy gnome
[21:01] <ryuo> siv_: if you miss unity, Ubuntu Mate has a mode for emulating the layout of it.
[21:01] <ryuo> in 18.04, no less.
[21:02] <rfleming> hmm, shows 1:3.22+9 on 18.04.1
[21:02] <rfleming> MirkoKa: ^ interesting version
[21:02] <theor_> sudo apt install unity-desktop  still works
[21:02] <MirkoKa> rfleming:  3.22
[21:02] <theor_> (on Bionic)
[21:03] <tomreyn> siv_: this also works "dpkg -l gnome-shell"
[21:03] <sillyslux__> ok, got the tasksel screen, i guess i can rerun it later and install "Ubuntu deskop" tomorrow then
[21:04] <JimBuntu> ryuo and others... if I have 16.04 with Unity and do a complete upgrade... I heard that you get to keep Unity, can you confirm this?
[21:04] <ryuo> JimBuntu: I stopped using regular Ubuntu desktop some time ago. I can't help you.
[21:04] <nelson> hello, i start over. im very old person i need help with 2 commands please. my /dev/sda geometry is incorrect, could you help me please use the ubuntu checkdisk comands to recover mi /dev/sda thank you very much (i belive the command is fdisk im reading help on it but im not even sure) Thank you very much again
[21:04] <theor_> JimBuntu: yes you do, an upgrade does not remove packages
[21:04] <theor_> you'll get both the new Gnome desktop + unity7
[21:05] <JimBuntu> Thank you ryuo and theor_
[21:05] <ryuo> nelson: disk geometry? we don't partition disks with that anymore.
[21:05] <tomreyn> !releasenotes  | ryuo the release notes list changes since the latest non LTS and LTS versions
[21:05] <nelson> ryou: my ubuntu software shows that i have a disk with 4gb but that is not even true, my disk is 1TB
[21:05] <ryuo> tomreyn: ...? when did i ask for release notes.
[21:06] <ryuo> nelson: is your USB drive 4GB?
[21:06] <ryuo> nelson: it's not uncommon for bootable USB drives to also show up.
[21:06] <nelson> ryou: no, my disk is a common seagate 1TB sata
[21:06] <ryuo> nelson: how are you booting then?
[21:07] <tomreyn> ryuo: oh that wasnt you, but siv_ (indirectly)
[21:07] <oerheks> nelson, unmount that drive, it stays visible in disks, clear that disk in disks utility with a fresh mbr/gpt table, i think you dd'ed an iso over it
[21:07] <tomreyn> !releasenotes  | siv_ the release notes list changes since the latest non LTS and LTS versions
[21:07] <nelson> ryou: it is my data disk by luck, i lost only my data disk, y boot my ubuntu last version from my ssd OS disk
[21:08] <rfleming> nelson, try to use gparted and see if the disk shows the correct size
[21:08] <oerheks> rfleming, it does, but options are "greyed out" ..
[21:09] <ryuo> what did they do? partially overwrite their hard drive?
[21:09] <nelson> rfleming: ryou: no, gparted encounters all the time "imput-output read errors" wich i have to ignore multiple times to finally see a 4gb drive
[21:09] <rfleming> is the partition mounted?
[21:10] <nelson>  also not, the partition is not mounted, i only see a 4gb free space
[21:10] <ryuo> I can only hope they used a GPT label. those have a redundant copy to help for situations where the main label has been corrupted.
[21:10]  * rfleming wonders if hdparm will help
[21:11] <ryuo> nelson: can you tell us what this shows: dmesg | grep 'logical blocks'
[21:12] <rfleming> nelson: can you also pastebin the output of `sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda` !pastebinit
[21:12] <ryuo> rfleming: i was starting to wonder if they have one or more drives...
[21:12] <rfleming> whoops
[21:12] <rfleming> !pastebinit | nelson
[21:13] <ryuo> rfleming: err more than one drive.
[21:13] <JimBuntu> ryuo, The drive details show that this is indeed a Seagate 1TB drive showing up as 4GB
[21:13] <ryuo> Oh. Hm.
[21:13] <rfleming> ryuo: https://imgur.com/a/RfUBjYx
[21:14] <ryuo> sounds like the partition table got corrupted.
[21:14] <rfleming> was my thought
[21:14] <ryuo> If it's MBR...
[21:14] <rfleming> was going to put dd in here but thought someone might try it
[21:14] <nelson> Do you need screen shots? but resumming, gparted encounters input-output read errors, on cancel no disk show, if ignore, 4gb free space on a disk show (but is 1 TB). Disk utility shows also the free 4gb space and all options grey out but format, nevertheless if i click format is not posible with error "error wiping device: failed to probe device '/dev/sda' (udisk-error-quark, 0) and i go ahead paste what u just asked me, one second
[21:14] <ryuo> All I can say is I hopt they had a backup.
[21:14] <rfleming> nelson: you can try to use `testdisk`
[21:15] <nelson> ryou: dmesg | grep 'logical blocks' gives no echo, no error, no output
[21:15] <JimBuntu> Yup, backups were made. They don't want to lose the hardware though
[21:15] <rfleming> nelson: https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[21:16] <rfleming> this is getting into 'make a mistake and everything is gone' territory.
[21:16] <rfleming> but it can help fix things (if they are fixable)
[21:16] <ryuo> i can see two options...
[21:16] <JimBuntu> rfleming, agreed... might be safer to reboot into a liveCD/USB with the boot drive disconnected
[21:17] <nelson> rfleming: sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda` https://pastebin.com/iR3sHXfJ
[21:17] <nelson> rfleming: ryuo: looking on testdisk
[21:17] <ryuo> skip the first 4GB or so and hope you can find the filesystem header for the original partitions...
[21:17] <jeffree> often times when I'm watching/listening to a video and open an app such as nautilus, there is a sort of pop sound in the audio. How would this happen?
[21:17] <ryuo> Or... restore a backup partition table, if one exists.
[21:17] <nelson> i update info, on the live version i see exactly same problem
[21:18] <nelson> cant gparted on a live version neither on a diferent PC, exactly same outputs
[21:18] <nelson> i look on testdisk
[21:18] <rfleming> nelson: if you don't want to go the bother of recovering the data at all... I have another option.
[21:18] <rfleming> nelson: this option will destroy all data on the disk.
[21:18] <nelson> please, need faster solution to make 1TB work even with marked wrong sectors, dont care data, have back ups
[21:19] <CoJaBo> Is there any way to run a command that will reliably result in changing the mouse cursor? I'm trying to fix the "mouse cursor gets set to invisible after standby" bug, and this appears to be the only way to fix it (open to less-insane suggestions tho ofc).
[21:19] <nelson> i can boot live or whatever u tell me
[21:19] <jeffree> for awhile now when I reboot I sometimes get this message from gnome-software after boot. https://imgur.com/xKCMsQE
[21:19] <rfleming> nelson: `sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512M count=1`
[21:19] <rfleming> nelson: that should erase the entire partition table.
[21:19] <nelson> i go on
[21:19] <rfleming> nelson: the boot sector, and everything at the front of the disk
[21:20] <jeffree> the message is: Detailed errors from the package manager follow: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.fwupd: Timeout was reached
[21:21] <oerheks> jeffree, that is pretty normal, ubuntu does an update run after boot, and you have hit the update icon too
[21:21] <oerheks> and only one instance is permitted, nothing else to do than wait
[21:22] <nelson> rfleming, done with no errors, should i reboot?
[21:22] <oerheks> you can change this behaviour in the update menu
[21:22] <rfleming> nelson: yep
[21:22] <rfleming> nelson: live cd yes?
[21:22] <nelson> though so, gparted can even run, be back asap
[21:22] <nelson> no, im ssd online updated installation
[21:22] <jeffree> oerheks: "and you have hit the update icon too" what do you mean by this?
[21:23] <nelson> bb asap, give me a min, i have the feeling your command worked, let me reestart
[21:23] <jeffree> this happens with no interaction from me
[21:23] <oerheks> jeffree, oh, that is odd ..
[21:23] <oerheks> jeffree, can you update at all? are you behind a proxy?
[21:24] <jeffree> no proxy, updates are occurring
[21:26] <rfleming> ryuo: I've had to use that command to get USB keys back in order after flashing ISO images to them...
[21:26] <ryuo> rfleming: yea? me too, but i stopped with using usb flash drives.
[21:26] <jeffree> I don't think org.freedesktop.fwupd is related to normal update, but firmware instead
[21:27] <ryuo> rfleming: namely because I now have an iodd2531. it's a lot more convenient.
[21:27] <rfleming> neat
[21:28] <ryuo> rfleming: just drop ISOs in a folder and it gets usable as a virtual USB cd drive.
[21:28] <ryuo> can also use virtual hard drives...
[21:28] <rfleming> ryuo: how much does one of those cost?
[21:28] <ryuo> rfleming: I bought one for $50 on amazon.
[21:28] <ryuo> you can get more advanced models if you spend more.
[21:28] <ryuo> You may want to use an SSD instead, if raw speed is important to you.
[21:29] <ryuo> HDDs are pretty fast but still lag a bit.
[21:29] <ryuo> https://www.amazon.com/Iodd-Iodd2531-Black-Virtual-Enclosures/dp/B00TDJ4BJU
[21:29] <ryuo> Ah. It's gone up.
[21:30] <tomreyn> jeffree: that's right. which hardware  + model do you have there?
[21:30] <tomreyn> a dell?
[21:30] <jeffree> lol, not a dell
[21:30] <jeffree> custom
[21:31] <ryuo> jeffree: desktop then?
[21:31] <jeffree> yes
[21:31] <jeffree> what exactly do you want to know?
[21:31] <tomreyn> jeffree: are fwudp updates actually supporte don it, though?
[21:32] <jeffree> I'm not sure. I know little about that program/service/whatever. I think there was once an update for my wireless mouse. There is also intel firmware updates which might be unrelated.
[21:32] <rfleming> is it just me, or are there lots of money launderers on Amazon?
[21:32] <geekodour08> I am installing nginx from source on ubuntu, after installing it. Nginx HTTPS and HTTP does not show up on the ufw list. but it seems to show up when installing from the package manager, what to do?
[21:33] <ryuo> rfleming: possibly, who knows. i see a lot of ridiculiously priced goods on nearly every web store that allows 3rd parties.
[21:33] <jeffree> this bug might be what I am seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1747034
[21:34] <ryuo> geekodour08: i don't believe this channel provides support for "from source" package installs.
[21:35] <rfleming> ryuo: https://www.amazon.ca/Crystal-Light-Drink-Mix-Pack/dp/B00CLXCJ8A/ref=sr_1_1?srs=7659568011&ie=UTF8&qid=1533764102&sr=8-1
[21:35] <oerheks> jeffree, i think you found the culprit: Limba support for GNOME Software. Software lets you install and update applications and system extensions .. https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/gnome-software-plugin-limba
[21:35] <ryuo> rfleming: lol...
[21:36] <ryuo> rfleming: https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-j2l69ut-ProBook-645-G1-14-Laptop-AMD-A10-Series-8GB-Memory-256GB-Soli/282102130468
[21:36] <ryuo> rfleming: this for a laptop that was made in 2013.
[21:36] <oerheks> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1TB-1024GB-Micro-SD-S-D-XC-SDHD-Class-10-Memory-Card-with-Adapter-/263425187497 ... oops, i am not in offtopic
[21:36] <tomreyn> jeffree: can you post "fwupdmgr get-devices | nc termbin.com 9999"
[21:37] <tomreyn> https://fwupd.org/users
[21:37] <rfleming> oerheks, ryuo: oh... I thought I switched
[21:37] <ryuo> Heh. My mistake too.
[21:37] <geekodour08> ryuo: found something helpful, https://gist.github.com/AJMaxwell/3b94939a61559b47c2c4dc0ff265d172 but i am not sure where to put this file. can you help?
[21:37] <tomreyn> jeffree: also check whether you have current files about fwupd in /var/crash/
[21:39] <ryuo> geekodour08: why isn't the regular nginx package good enough?
[21:39] <erge> urf angel
[21:40] <erge> urf angel
[21:40] <erge> cum on my dic
[21:40] <erge> eskettit
[21:40] <tomreyn> erge: stop
[21:40] <ryuo> geekodour08: but, you'd install that... hm.
[21:40] <CC6622> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[21:40] <ryuo> geekodour08: /etc/ufw/applications.d/ i believe.
[21:40] <tomreyn> !ot | erge
[21:41] <rfleming> erge: they'd like you over in #arch
[21:41] <rfleming> :D
[21:42] <jeffree> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/pivl
[21:42] <geekodour08> ryuo: I am just trying to learn.. noting specific really. :p yup, that worked :) thanks!
[21:43] <ryuo> geekodour08: Ok.
[21:43] <rfleming> haven't heard from that nelson guy...
[21:44] <tomreyn> jeffree: oh, nice, so if these vendors would provide updates in the proper format, you could actually use fwupd
[21:44] <tomreyn> jeffree: i *think* only dell does, for a couple models, though.
[21:44] <jeffree> tomreyn: note: I redacted DeviceId and Guid
[21:45] <tomreyn> jeffree: ok
[21:45] <tomreyn> jeffree: what abotu the crashes?
[21:45] <jeffree> nothing there
[21:45] <jeffree> for fwupd
[21:46] <tomreyn> jeffree: anything interesting / malfunctioning when you grep dmesg for fwupd?
[21:46] <jeffree> at the normal console level, no
[21:46] <tomreyn> jeffree: the normal console level?
[21:47] <tomreyn> not sure what this refers to
[21:47] <jeffree> sorry, I meant level, as in error, warning, etc
[21:48] <tomreyn> jeffree: okay, so none of the lines returned by "dmesg | grep fwupd" look like the fwup daemon (or something related) failed or like an update had actually been tried or done?
[21:48] <jeffree> it returns nothing
[21:49] <tomreyn> how about syslog?
[21:49] <tomreyn> makes more sense enyways
[21:50] <tomreyn> "sudo zgrep fwupd /var/log/syslog*"
[21:50] <jeffree> ok, we have that, but strangely, not for the most recent instance
[21:50] <jeffree> you want a paste?
[21:51] <tomreyn> jeffree: if it doesn#t involve too much work on your side
[21:51] <tomreyn> jeffree: i'm trying to understand what caused the error messgae you reported, since i ti s my understanding that you'Re trying to fix this?
[21:52] <jeffree> I would like to
[21:53] <prawnsalad> is it possible to find out how a ubuntu server instance was installed? ie. full install, minimal install, etc
[21:55] <jeffree> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/Nhu4A02w
[21:55] <H7R> prawnsalad : maybe seeing witch packets are installed but else I don't think so ...
[21:56] <tomreyn> jeffree: ok. can you run this in the meantime and post the output, too (or just report it here if it's one line): sudo fwupdmgr get-updates
[21:56] <tomreyn> jeffree: actually "fwupdmgr refresh" first, then "get-updates". and it should work without sudo
[21:57] <jeffree> tomreyn:  No upgrades for Unifying Receiver, current is RQR12.07_B0029: RQR12.07_B0029=same
[21:59] <tomreyn> jeffree: that's for 'refresh' or for 'get-updates'
[21:59] <tomreyn> ?
[21:59] <jeffree> that is from get-updates, after refresh
[22:00] <jeffree> refresh did work
[22:02] <tomreyn> jeffree: so i guest you should "ubuntu-bug fwupd", posting what you found on your logs, reporting that this not very user friendly GUi message popped up, where it's unclear what failed exactly. also discuss your hardware (or fofer to do so if you're wiloling to).
[22:04] <tomreyn> fwupd has a plugin architecture which allows it to update different kinds of firmwares by different vendors, in different ways. but it's not clear from the message which one failed.
[22:04] <tomreyn> (or how to overcome this)
[22:05] <tomreyn> note that reporting bugs requires a launchpad account nowadays.
[22:05] <jeffree> I'm not very familiar with ubuntu-bug. I'm not keen on things being reported about my system without my knowledge that might have privacy implications, but do want to help.
[22:06] <tomreyn> jeffree: i think it has some sort of a dry-run / test option where it'll show you what would be submitted
[22:06] <tomreyn>        Bug reports can be written to a file by using the --save option  or by using apport-cli.
[22:07] <jeffree> yep
[22:08] <Guest89349> Hello everybody .....  someone in the EEUU can help me with a simple telnet from there ?
[22:08] <Guest89349> is only for a check connection
[22:09] <Guest89349> please
[22:09] <tomreyn> Guest89349: there are various websites which will do this.
[22:09] <Guest89349> really ?  I need the telnet request from EEUU
[22:10] <andrewh> i can't eject one of my drives
[22:10] <tomreyn> Guest89349: what is EUU? which ubuntu version are you running?
[22:10] <tomreyn> *EEUU
[22:10] <andrewh> it says "one or more applications are keeping the volume busy."
[22:11] <Guest89349> From north America ...
[22:11] <andrewh> I also have a notification that says "There is data that needs to be written to the device "62 GB Volume" before it can e removed."
[22:11] <tomreyn> andrewh: then it is usually so. be sure to close all file browsers and other storage management related applications
[22:11] <andrewh> i have
[22:12] <andrewh> i closed two terminal windows that weren'tdoing anything and then it was able to eject
[22:12] <Guest89349> I got a local Ubuntu server (16.04) but I need to test some firewall rules
[22:13] <tomreyn> andrewh: try this: for cdr in /dev/cdr*; do sudo fuser $cdr; done
[22:14] <metax> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[22:15] <oerheks> Guest89349, interesting, but that might be illegal to ask for.
[22:15] <N3X15> oh god they're learning
[22:15] <andrewh> specified filename /dev/cdr* does not exist.
[22:15] <jeffree> tomreyn: thanks for the help
[22:15] <tomreyn> jeffree: welcome
[22:16] <CoJaBo> wat is an eeuu lol
[22:16] <tomreyn> andrewh: sorry i somehow thought you had said ti was a cdrom. which makes no sense anyways. :) guess it's been too hot here today.
[22:16] <tomreyn> andrewh: so look at "lsblk" and find out which device it is
[22:17] <tomreyn> andrewh: i'm wondering about the /dev/... path
[22:17] <andrewh> i already ejected it
[22:17] <andrewh> after i closed the two terminal windows i had open, it was able to eject without any problems
[22:18] <andrewh> as though one of those windows were using the drive, even though there was nothing running in them
[22:18] <tomreyn> andrewh: you can use the "sync" command next time something reports that data needs yet to be written
[22:18] <andrewh> what does that do?
[22:18] <tomreyn> yes. when the command exits, you can then eject safely
[22:19] <tomreyn> andrewh: sync does make sure that any disk write buffers are emptied (data is written to disk)
[22:20] <tomreyn> this happens automatically after a while, but if you're in a hurry, it's a handy command to use
[22:28] <nick__> I have a monitor attached to my hdmi port. in the window for configuring sound I only get HDMI, even though a sound card is detected. I cant get an sound to work. here is my playback devices list : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pPw236Rmx8/ ... any pointers on where I should be looking to configure this?
[22:29] <nick__> I'm trying to confiugre sound through the motherboard sound card.
[22:29] <nick__> because the monitor doesn't have speakers.
[22:29] <nick__> I'm using 18.4 beaver
[22:31] <pragmaticenigma> nick__: How are you trying to configure your sound? through the GUI or the terminal?
[22:31] <ubuntunewbie101> When the upgrade from 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS available?
[22:31] <nick__> was trying through gui
[22:31] <pragmaticenigma> ubuntunewbie101: When it's bug free and ready
[22:32] <nick__> I think I need to get it to be card 0 device 0 but I don't understand where I configure that.
[22:33] <pragmaticenigma> nick__: You can't configure that... those are how the system is addressing/enumerating the devices
[22:34] <nick__> ok, so how do I confiugre the system to use that device for sound? it currently trying to use the HDMI but I don't have a HDMI sound compatible monitor
[22:34] <nick__> I'm using a DVI to HDMI cable to attach the montiro
[22:34] <nick__> I'm using a DVI to HDMI cable to attach the montior
[22:34] <ubuntunewbie101> pragmaticenigma: Nice. May I ask you where is the milestone / bug tracker?
[22:36] <ryuo> nick__: DVI has no audio channel, so the resulting HDMI signal won't either.
[22:36] <ryuo> nick__: therefore, either use a real HDMI port, or use another audio output port.
[22:37] <pragmaticenigma> ryuo: You didn't read nick__ entire message did you?
[22:37] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: I only say that one above.
[22:37] <ryuo> sw*
[22:37] <ryuo> saw*
[22:37] <pragmaticenigma> The only source of information I have is this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[22:37] <pragmaticenigma> oh, my apologies ryuo I didn't see that nick__ had appended more information
[22:38] <pragmaticenigma> ubuntunewbie101:  The only source of information I have is this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[22:38] <ryuo> nick__: if your setup is already connected correctly, then you may need to switch the default output device to the non-HDMI device.
[22:38] <nick__> https://imagebin.ca/v/4BX4xoF1gX7A
[22:39] <pragmaticenigma> ubuntunewbie101: as far as bug tickets, they're out there... I don't know which ones specifically
[22:39] <ryuo> Strange...
[22:39] <nick__> this is what my options look like. I don't see the sound card.
[22:39] <ryuo> nick__: what options do you have under profile?
[22:40] <nick__> just the one you can see
[22:40] <nick__> Digital Sterio HDMI output
[22:40] <ryuo> nick__: can you paste the output of: aplay -l
[22:41] <nick__> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pPw236Rmx8/
[22:41] <ryuo> So it's there...
[22:41] <nick__> card 0 device 0
[22:41] <ryuo> why does PulseAudio refuse to see it?
[22:42] <ululate> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[22:42] <ululate> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[22:42] <ululate> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[22:42] <ryuo> hm.
[22:42] <pragmaticenigma> nick__: if you run "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade" are there any updates?
[22:43] <nick__> damn... sorry guys. I'm colorblind. I had the cable stuck in yellow instead of lime green. plugged into the "other green" and it started working.
[22:45] <pragmaticenigma> nick__: cool... one of the newer features is that sounds cards that support cable detection won't display if no cable is detected. (Personally not a fan of that feature here) ... Was just about to ask if you had the correct port pluged in
[22:45] <pragmaticenigma> added in 17.04
[22:45] <nick__> it seems to only show up if you get the right plug. pebkac. Thanks for your time. one day they will label the plugs on motherboards :)
[22:45] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: ... that sounds like a horrible idea. it makes it harder to troubleshoot.
[22:46] <pragmaticenigma> nick__: I mean to do the same someday... I only remember on the next time I pull apart my machine
[22:46] <pragmaticenigma> and swear I shall one day mark the port!
[22:47] <ryuo> must be a pulseaudio level change.
[22:47] <ryuo> i could understand making it grayed out, but...
[22:47] <ryuo> hiding it completely?
[22:47] <nick__> it is a horrible idea. because it makes no sense if you've got 6 holes and have to guesss the right one before it even shows up.
[22:47] <nick__> ..it looked green to me, but thats also the excuse I use at traffic lights.
[22:48] <ryuo> i frankly don't know anyone tht even uses surround sound. lol
[22:51] <nick__> ryou, absolutely. Now I have to figure out which is the microphone.
[22:51] <ryuo> nick__: i know. it's the last one you'd try. :)
[22:54] <nick__> can I shut off the hdmi one?
[22:54] <nick__> just in case it changes randomly by itself?
[22:54] <ryuo> nick__: no idea.
[22:55] <pragmaticenigma> Only in the sense that you can "mute" it... It's unlikely it's actually outputing sound, DVI wasn't originally designed for audio signals and what's probably happening is the signal from the display devices is flagged as having audio capbilities (perhaps it has a head phone jack?)
[22:56] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: chances are the output port is HDMI but the monitor or w/e only supports DVI.
[22:56] <ryuo> So...
[22:56] <ryuo> it still shows up on the desktop.
[22:56] <nick__> yeah, the pc is putting out on HDMI but the monitor only has DVI
[22:56] <pragmaticenigma> nick__: Long ago I used to have to add a flag to xorg.conf to turn of the EDID signaling for a DVI-to-HDMI connection to a TV
[22:57] <pragmaticenigma> *turn off
[22:57] <illuminated> understanding udev, dbus, polkit, systemd, and how all interact with one another is complex
[22:58] <pragmaticenigma> nick__: Ah! I see... I thought it was the reverse. In that case, the monitor is sending an EDID signal to the graphics card aobut its capabilities. It's erroniously reporting it has sound capabilities. It's best to just ignore it and not worry. Best option is to mute the output in the sound control panel
[22:58] <pragmaticenigma> illuminated: Do you have a support question that we can help you with?
[22:59] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: i figured the more likely situation is pulseaudio assumes the HDMI output can support audio.
[22:59] <illuminated> no, sorry.
[22:59] <ryuo> but who knows.
[22:59] <nick__> that sounds good, I'll look to see if I can find that, but I'm worried Ill break HDMI output then I have no screen. maybe I'll wait till I actually get a problem before I start messing wiht that stuff.
[22:59] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: the device doesn't understand HDMI, so...
[23:00] <ryuo> who knows.
[23:00] <pragmaticenigma> ryuo: it's possible that the drivers assume that if it doesn't have a signal, to be helpful, assume there is audio capabilities. to reduce the chance it doesn't work and requiers a support ticket
[23:01] <pragmaticenigma> illuminated: all good ... just wanted to make sure. If you like, #ubuntu-discuss is a great place to discuss those woes :-)
[23:01] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: i don't know enough about HDMI to really know.
[23:01] <ryuo> lol
[23:02] <nick__> thanks a lot guys, its great to feel that when you're debugging this kinda thing someone is ready to help you.
[23:02] <nick__> ...even when its just not plugged in right.
[23:03] <ryuo> Oh joy. A net split.
[23:03] <pragmaticenigma> nick__: that's why we're all here... to seek help and offer when we can
[23:04] <pragmaticenigma> ryuo: It's not so much HDMI specs... Best practices in software development that interacts with real world is to assume things are working until you can prove they aren't
[23:04] <pragmaticenigma> sadly, that introduces a lot of attack vectors
[23:05] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: the autoload from external media?
[23:06] <pragmaticenigma> ryuo: not sure I understand your question
[23:06] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: windows was infamous for trying to helpfully run programs on CD-ROMs or other media.
[23:07] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: is that one example you meant?
[23:08] <pragmaticenigma> no, that's later in the pipe/process
[23:08] <ryuo> I see.
[23:08] <ryuo> But it still exposed an attack vector...
[23:09] <ryuo> still, if someone was willing to stick random media into their computers, they may run programs on them anyway.
[23:09] <pragmaticenigma> in the case of nick__'s audio port. By default the drivers would assume that since I have a sound card, I can output audio. So at first the audio would be available. Then the drivers see that the card can report if something is attached to the port. So the drivers query that and find no connection. it then turns off the signal
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> so by default, audio was routed to the sound card, but after detecting there was no device attached, it switched off that signal until it detect a device is attached
[23:11] <pragmaticenigma> does that make sense ryuo ?
[23:12] <nick__> I used to have a windows box that had a similar motherboard. it would say something like "you've plugged something into the black port, if this is not a rear speaker try someting else." other times it would ask what type of device it was and reassign the port, though I don't remember when it would do one and when it would do the other.
[23:13] <nick__> yeah, it makes sense but I'd prefer it to be greyed out or say something like "no cable detected". that would make it much easeier to figure out why it didn't work. if the cable had been broken I'd never have figured it out.
[23:15] <pragmaticenigma> i agree with you nick__ ... Kubuntu has a slightly different screen for audio, that lists all devices and I think grays out disabled ones (or at least doesn't make them selectable)
[23:15] <pragmaticenigma> i'd have to double check
[23:22] <fullstack> hi, I am running ubuntu 16.  My xterm is purple (fluxbox) how do I disable the purple background in xterm or for system wide?
[23:23] <tomreyn> fullstack: there is no such thing as "Ubuntu 16".
[23:23] <fullstack> Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS (Xenial Xerus)
[23:23] <fullstack> thanks in advance for any help
[23:24] <fullstack> if I google "remove purple ubuntu" I do not get relevant help
[23:24] <tomreyn> fullstack: are you into the concept of man pages?
[23:24] <fullstack> yes I have been using unix for over 25 years
[23:24] <tomreyn> there's a package 'man-db', you can install, then you can run "man xterm"
[23:25] <tomreyn> oh, then you'll know :)
[23:25] <tomreyn> i think you're trying to configure th background color of xterm
[23:25] <tomreyn> which seems ot be documented there
[23:25] <fullstack> but xterm does not come set as purple, so where is it being set as purple?
[23:25] <oerheks> transparancy perhaps?
[23:26] <tomreyn> if i was to guess, it's part of ubuntu's CI
[23:26] <tomreyn> CD
[23:26] <tomreyn> well, let's call it design guide
[23:26] <fullstack> what is this system?
[23:27] <pragmaticenigma> If I were to guess... it's in a script that runs each time xterm is started ... but that could be confirmed in the man pages
[23:27] <tomreyn> fullstack: i'm just saying purple is a part of ubuntu's common color scheme
[23:27] <tomreyn> (or was)
[23:28] <tomreyn> fullstack: did you check the files in the FILES section of the man page to see whether one of them defines those colors?
[23:28] <tomreyn> also see ENVIRONMENT
[23:29] <tomreyn> fwiw, i also run 16.04.5, but Xubuntu, and xterm has a black background
[23:30] <pragmaticenigma> took me 3 seconds to google the answer
[23:30] <pragmaticenigma> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xterm+set+background+color
[23:32] <pragmaticenigma> sorry to be crass... but to claim using *nix for over 25 years... this seems like a simple query
[23:32] <sillyslux__> fullstack, do you have a ~/.Xdefaults?
[23:34] <fullstack> I just created a script that forced xterm to be called with -bg black
[23:35] <fullstack> to be done with it, thanks for everyones help though
[23:35] <sillyslux__> cat /home/silly/.Xdefaults: xterm*background: #123456
[23:35] <sillyslux__> this makes it blue
[23:35] <fullstack> oh ok thanks
[23:35] <sillyslux__> man xrdb
[23:36] <sillyslux__> xterm*foreground: #ffffff xterm*faceName: Bitstream Vera Serif Mono xterm*faceSize: 11...
[23:40] <sillyslux__> it says "many desktop environments use xrdb to load ~/.Xresources files on session startup ... as a generalized replacement for ~/.Xdefaults"
[23:40] <sillyslux__> i use fluxbox and at least this wm does use ~/.Xdefaults
[23:54] <Simba11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?