[00:29] <bluesabre> ochosi: also floated the question in #gtk+
[00:29] <bluesabre> > GNOME/GTK devs... how open would you be to accepting patches to Adwaita for Xfce-gtk3 components? These would be minimal patches to get some visual parity with the default GNOME styles.
[00:30] <Unit193> bluesabre: Ever figure out the reject?
[00:31] <bluesabre> Unit193: found the email. "Rejected by Łukasz Zemczak: Deprecated by a newer upload."
[00:31] <Unit193> Ah cool.
[00:31] <bluesabre> But....
[00:31] <bluesabre> I don't see a newer upload anywhere
[00:32] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+upload/18706715/+files/catfish_1.4.6-0ubuntu0.18.04.1_source.changes ?
[00:32] <bluesabre> That's the one that got mysteriously canned
[00:32] <bluesabre> from what I can tell at least
[00:33] <bluesabre> or did it not actually get rejected?
[00:33] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[00:33] <bluesabre> huh
[00:33] <bluesabre> I guess they unrejected it
[00:34] <bluesabre> it was gone from that queue this morning once I saw the reject
[00:34] <Unit193> I see it listed in both places.
[00:35] <bluesabre> Pleasantly confusing :D
[00:35] <Unit193> When in doubt, point to both queues and ask what's up? :P
[00:36] <bluesabre> :D
[00:37] <bluesabre> hm
[00:37] <bluesabre> they have different dates
[00:37] <bluesabre> maybe two folks sponsored without one of them communicating
[00:37] <bluesabre> guess that's fine
[00:38] <Unit193> So are we still moving forward with elementary?
[00:39] <bluesabre> yeah
[00:40] <bluesabre> will work on the makefile stuff soonish
[00:40] <Unit193> Please don't break it or make any of the voodoo people angry. :3
[00:40] <bluesabre> if somebody sponsors https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elementary-xfce/+bug/1784523, we'll move the other side over and have a svg theme for a few days :)
[00:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1784523 in elementary-xfce (Ubuntu) "Please sponsor elementary-xfce 0.12-1ubuntu1 for package transition" [Undecided,New]
[00:41] <Unit193> Heh yeah saw that.
[00:42] <bluesabre> seemingly, all of my debian and ubuntu sponsors are on vacation :D
[00:42] <Unit193> You mean it's as if they went to Debconf?
[00:42] <bluesabre> Is that going on?
[00:43] <bluesabre> And usually when folks go to debconf they have wild and crazy packaging parties aiui :D
[00:43] <Unit193> That has happened.
[00:43] <bluesabre> maybe I can get lamby to sponsor some stuff for me
[00:49] <Unit193> ...You're going with the leader of the Debian project..?
[01:21] <bluesabre> who better to sponsor :D
[11:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think i can imagine the answer re:adwaita-xfce
[11:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: they will say we should do it like gnome apps and include custom css in our app code directly, see e.g. nautilus
[11:12] <ochosi> bluesabre: imo that's a bad idea as gtk changes and you can never know which version of thunar will be used with which version of gtk...
[11:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: that's why - so far - i have kept those patches as minimal as possible, to ensure they will work also in the future
[11:18] <bluesabre> ochosi, isn't that more insulated now? Not many changes since 3.22
[11:18] <bluesabre> And we're not targeting gtk4 :)
[11:22] <bluesabre> My interest was in making stock xfce with adwaita closer to stock gnome... Dark panel, dark tabwin, light elsewhere
[11:22] <bluesabre> Not blocky
[11:22] <bluesabre> You get the idea :)
[11:24] <bluesabre> Not quite gnome lite, but not ugly defaults
[11:42] <TJ-> 'scuse me asking, but what is the meaning of "Adwaita" ? I see it's available across several backends
[11:47] <bluesabre> TJ-: it's the default gnome/gtk theme
[11:47] <bluesabre> and what most other themes are based on
[11:49] <TJ-> right, but what does the word "Adwaita" mean? what original language is it, or is it 'made-up' 
[11:49] <TJ-> the only thing I could find is it was a Tortoise in India!
[11:57] <bluesabre> oh, that I have no idea :D
[12:00] <TJ-> it doesn't exactly trip off the tongue :)
[19:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: xfwm4 crashed - got the .crash file if that's any use
[19:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: we already use stuff like the - fairly generic - .panel css class in the xfce4-panel
[19:51] <flocculant> hi ochosi :)
[19:51] <ochosi> but yeah, in theory we could try to either use classes that get the "correct" adwaita look by default (notifyd uses .osd by default) or ask the gnome folks to accept patches (which i think they won't)