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[15:13] <pizzadude> acheronuk, sorry if this is asked before, but is kde plasma 5.13 going to be released in kubuntu backports ppa?
[15:13] <pizzadude> if so, i hope it is released soon ;)
[15:15] <acheronuk> pizzadude: needs backport of new Qt, which we have still not got in release pocket of cosmic quite yet
[15:15] <pizzadude> ok
[15:15] <pizzadude> any ETA, or should i just be more patient
[15:15] <pizzadude> ?
[15:16] <acheronuk> so we would like to do it, and will if we can, but not likely to be too soon
[15:16] <pizzadude> ok
[15:16] <pizzadude> also is kde applications 18.04 going to be added to the backports ppa
[15:17] <pizzadude> like the dolphin file manager with empty trash button
[15:17] <pizzadude> thats part of 18.04
[15:17] <pizzadude> it was in an experimental ppa which i tried for a bit but i dont wanna rely on experimental ppas
[15:18] <pizzadude> this is what i mean
[15:18] <pizzadude> https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-18.04.0.php
[15:19] <acheronuk> pizzadude: I'm getting apps 18.04 ready for cosmic now. hopefully not to log for backports
[15:19] <acheronuk> *long
[15:19] <pizzadude> thanks
[15:20] <acheronuk> wait on Qt has delayed us a lot :/
[15:20] <pizzadude> i need to switch irc clients because hexchat is giving me a "dark text on dark background" theme and its hard to type
[15:20] <ngraham[m]> JFYI, we're bumping the Qt dep again for Plasma 5.14: it will depends on Qt 5.11
[15:21] <ngraham[m]> so it might be worth investing in anything that makes the process less painful going forward
[15:21] <acheronuk> ngraham[m]: 5.11 is going into cosmic, so we should be all go for that
[15:21] <ngraham[m]> cool
[15:22] <acheronuk> though 5.14 will have to be for 19.04
[15:23] <ngraham[m]> right
[15:23] <pizzadude> does that mean i'll have to wait till 19.04 for 5.14 or will 5.14 eventually go in backports ppa as well?
[15:24] <pizzadude> cuz i prefer to stay on lts
[15:24] <acheronuk> pizzadude: if there are no dependency blocks to backporting 5.14, then I would like to do that
[15:24] <pizzadude> ok
[15:25] <pizzadude> i love the work you devs are doing
[15:25] <pizzadude> devs/packagers
[15:25] <ngraham[m]> :)
[15:26] <acheronuk> pizzadude: thanks. wish we could go quicker, but the ubuntu archive is a big beast!
[15:26] <pizzadude> yep
[15:27] <pizzadude> previously i used debian unstable with kde for 3 months, but then it broke tragically,  so im glad im on a stable ubuntu base again
[15:27] <acheronuk> and we can't do a Neon and say, lets build KDE stuff and not worry about consequences for !KDE
[15:27] <pizzadude> is kde neon unstable?
[15:27] <acheronuk> no, but some things not KDE break or can't be installed
[15:29] <pizzadude> also i noticed when trying the experimental ppa a month ago for 5.13, some packages became uninstallable, like hedgewars and calibre
[15:29] <pizzadude> and i had to make a fake package with equivs in order to make them installable
[15:30] <pizzadude> which works, but is a massive hack. the only thing that didnt work even after making it installable was the deepin utils like deepin-picker and whatnot
[15:30] <acheronuk> yes, things like that would need a rebuild against new Qt in a full backport. I didn't bother in the experimental PPA, as it was just testing plasma build
[15:30] <pizzadude> i assume that the deepin utils are not going to be rebuilt tho?
[15:30] <pizzadude> because they probably dont work with new qt anyways
[15:30] <pizzadude> not sure
[15:31] <pizzadude> i heard on a forum you will have to rebuilt stuff like hedgewars tho
[15:32] <acheronuk> just things in the ubuntu archive
[15:32] <pizzadude> deepin-picker and deepin-voice-recorder are in the ubuntu archive
[15:32] <pizzadude> but i meant you probably cant rebuild everything that was in the archive and isnt installable
[15:33] <pizzadude> because maybe upstream hasnt updated it for compatibility with newer Qt yet
[15:34] <pizzadude> so some sacrifices must be made for newer kde plasma 
[15:34] <acheronuk> deepin-qt5dxcb-plugin can have support for 5.11 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deepin-qt5dxcb-plugin/1.1.9.1-1ubuntu1
[15:35] <pizzadude> oh
[15:35] <acheronuk> but not sure about the bionic version, which is lower
[15:35] <pizzadude> i remember reading that it didnt
[15:35] <pizzadude> but maybe that was old stuff that i read
[15:36] <pizzadude> anyways thanks
[15:36] <acheronuk> the patch origin says upstream, so guess they must have worked on it
[15:37] <pizzadude> i see
[15:37] <pizzadude> have you tried deepin picker? its pretty neat
[15:37] <acheronuk> nope
[15:37] <pizzadude> try it out ;)
[15:39] <acheronuk> sometime. I am running test build of Qt here, so uninstall able ATM
[15:48] <pizzadude> ok, thanks for answering my questions
 good afternoon everyone
 @acheronuk if you have a few minutes I would like to point out a possible issue with plasma builds
 @Santa, go ahead
 opk, I have been doing test rebuilds with autopkgtests as usual and I got something which could be either a hardware problem on my side or a gcc 8 bug
 here's the result of my latest plasma build: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp/ubuntu-exp_status_plasma.html
 as you can see they are a few packages which failed to build. those which failed would probably succeed after retrying
 hmmmm....
 those who failed, fail in two variants
 let me paste the relevant parts of the build logs for the record...
 variant #1 segfault:
 variant #2 linker error:
 have you a prefered package to test this with?
 as I can poke a ubuntu infra test against it's own package trigger with all-proposed
 which should replicate it if it will be an issue in the archive
 plasma-nm and plasma-desktop are the most usual, if it's a gcc bug I guess we would have seen it in PPA builds
 but we didn't, did we?
 I would have thought so, but gcc is a new revision in proposed since I last did plasma staging or upload
 and some of those fails seem to be in tests which are skipped at build time in normal builds
 yes, some stuff in favour of gcc bug theory: 1. it doesn't happen with frameworks so far, only plasma packages 2. even in plasma it doesn't seem completely random, some packages seem to be more prone to fail than others 3. it's happenning since cosmic is defaulting to gcc 8
 stuff in favour of hardware problem: I have a low quality power supply on that server
 I'll try thsoe 2 autotests, and lets see.....
 ummm. plasma-nm has no tests, so can just rebuild that in staging ppa
 that being said, I'm building an alternate machine to do test rebuilds, but I need to wait ~2 weeks to get the batch of refurbished hard disks I need to setup the thing
 wow. no testsuite in plasma-desktop either. not complaining, but surprised
 may do a full rebuild in a bit. lets see
 thanks for letting me know!
 no prob, keep in mind it could be hardware problem on my side, I just bought that power supply without knowing about jonnyguru XD I guess I will replace it at some point
 ha
 @acheronuk update about the gcc segfault, it affects frameworks too: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp2/ubuntu-exp2_status_frameworks.html
 @Santa, hmm
 @Santa, trying bluez-qt and networkmanager-qt in fw ppa
 @Santa, did not fail (or fail in the same way) … bluez-qt will faill on test execution at build time as I let it build them, but did not on test compile as your setup did
 how did it fail for you?
 segfault?
 QFATAL : ManagerTest::bluezNotRunningTest() Test function timed out
 ah, that could be an entirely different issue
 I didn't care to try to make the tests pass at build time, just want to make sure they didn't segfault on compile as they did in your setup
 I pretty much expected them to fail
 also networkmanager-qt segfaulted in main build on your setup. did not on launchpad
 I did a couple of plasma-nm builds here on the laptop (no autopkgtests), they didn't fail so far
 this starts to smell like a faulty memory module
 sounds quite possible