[00:03] Whose dream? Linux runs on most mobile phones already, and has since before the iPhone was released 11 years ago. [00:03] @dohbee, Isn't that distro called android? [00:11] well it's one of them, but Linux was running underneath the Java UIs on phones well before Andoid or iOS came along. [00:31] @dohbee No, you're wrong. [00:31] A gimped, obsolete, feature-incomplete version of the linux kernel runs and has ran since before the iPhone was released on all mobile devices. [00:31] You mean 2.6 [00:31] indeed [00:31] hheheheh [00:32] It's just not true to say that it's the same thing as Linux [00:32] But it is [00:32] Linux powers it, but it's missing the point. [00:32] Just old Linux [00:32] And when it came out it was new Linux [00:32] Linux is in Windows, we've won. [00:32] But it's still not proper Linux. [00:32] linux powers everything, but I'm not using proper up to date linux with any power over my device when I use Android. [00:32] I mean, I don't think the goal was to win but to make something that we all liked to use [00:33] Wrong lol [00:33] The goal is and always will be world domination [00:33] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [00:33] and we currently world dominate [00:33] I mean, Linux is just a kernel [00:33] everything runs linux, and that's a good thing, however I would rather not use 2.6. [00:33] Linux is not in Windows [00:34] Yes it is lol [00:34] The subsystem is Linux in Windows [00:34] they caved under pressure, it was a feature added by demand. [00:34] not really [00:34] It's a reimplementation of Linux syscalls to the Windows NT kernel [00:34] Also @ubports_ot [00:34] also that [00:34] For offtopic [00:34] Yes, but it's still Linux, in some form, in Windows. [00:34] Just as Linux is in some form in Android [00:35] But they're still not proper Linux, and saying that all mobile devices have ran Linux since before the iphone is about as ridiculous as saying the subsystem is true linux lol [00:35] What I mean is that I want to be able to do everything I can do on a raspberry pi on my mobile device [00:35] In that case, I'm gonna be frank with you, you're not gonna like UT that much [00:35] Why? [00:35] You could use it like a Linux desktop [00:36] But that's really missing the point of a mobile device [00:36] Well I'm not coming for that part, although that part is awesome [00:36] it's not "proper linux" according to your poor and uninformed definition of the world [00:36] I'm coming for the only sane Linux UI design for a mobile device [00:36] that's what I'm here for lol [00:36] @dohbee, You didn't need to add any adjectives now [00:36] it's not just UI [00:36] but the ability to do anything I can do on Linux is very very nice to have too [00:37] you can build your own system image if you want, but that's not UT [00:37] Right, I think you're missing my point lol [00:37] He's saying that he likes UT though. :P [00:37] Linux 2.6 is not Linux. [00:37] Linux_Current is Linux [00:37] You're not getting that with UT either [00:37] and i can do whatever you're talking about, on Android too [00:37] but again @ubports_ot is where this belongs [00:37] Well it's modern enough to allow me to do anything I want. [00:37] So it's still "current" [00:38] it's not entirely obsolete lol [00:38] no [00:38] it is literally End of Life [00:38] It's 14.04 isn't t? [00:38] [Edit] It's 14.04 isn't it? [00:38] No, it's kernel 3.4 and 3.10 with Ubuntu 16.04 [00:38] I might have some form of problem with it, as I have with Debian, I guess, but there's still nothing it can't do. [00:38] the kernel? no. most devices currently supported, are Linux 3.4 [00:38] It can still run docker, and therefore almost anything else [00:38] 3.4 is iffy on that one [00:38] that's a whole LOT it cannot do [00:39] well I must have misunderstood [00:39] OneplusOne UBT uses what kernel? [00:39] either 3.4 or 3.10 [00:39] The one that came with the Oneplus One with patches for the features that UT needs [00:40] Can I `sudo`? [00:40] Er... sure [00:40] yes, but that doesn't mean anything [00:40] Can I `mkdir, ls` and `htop`? [00:41] yes, but that doesn't mean anything [00:41] Sure, you can do that in Android too [00:41] Okay, now. [00:41] can I `docker pull debian:stretch … docker run -i -t debian:stretch /bin/bash` ? [00:41] Like, we're here because UT is the best mobile platform but let's not sell it as something it's not [00:41] [Edit] can I `docker pull debian:stretch docker run -i -t debian:stretch /bin/bash` ? [00:41] no [00:41] UT does not ship with docker [00:42] you can make a chroot, and install docker in the chroot, and perhaps do something with it [00:42] And what are the troubles with getting docker via 14.04 instructions from the docker docs? [00:42] but that's a bit meta [00:42] 14.04 is irrelevant [00:42] What is it that doesn't work the same as desktop linux? [00:42] Well for one the rootfs is read-only [00:42] well it's ARM [00:42] So you'd have to put docker in a container or chroot [00:42] I can run docker on a pi [00:42] you aren't going to be playing Half Life 3 on it [00:42] So what is it that's fundamentally different? [00:42] `lxc` is in the image, though [00:43] It's important to note that I've only been using Unix for a year lol. [00:43] right, you can create a container/chroot and do things inside that [00:43] just as you can on Android [00:43] Right, but doing this on Android isn't very hot. [00:43] GNU's Not Unix [00:44] A lot of problems have occurred using Linux Deploy on Android [00:44] In my experience, maybe you can do things. [00:44] But you have to find asinine ways to accomplish a task you'd be comfortable with on a regular linux machine [00:44] sounds like UT [00:44] There is almost no difference between the way I do things on a pi and the way I do things on this laptop I'm typing from. [00:44] so why would that be true for UT? [00:45] They're both arm, and they both run the linux kernel, is 3.4 really that outdated? [00:45] it's not true [00:45] first off, the rootfs is readonly, as already stated [00:45] secondly, there is no Xorg. the display manager is Mir [00:45] Right, which doesn't pose any problem [00:45] apps are run in confined contexts [00:45] I'm only talking about CLI. [00:46] Nothing to do with gui apps, gui interaction, etc. [00:46] then you don't need a phone [00:46] No, if I run convergence or want to use a terminal, I can. [00:46] I don't need to open up connectbot, make a prefab for a device, connect to it, etc [00:46] I can just use `ssh` [00:46] again, you still need to create a container/chroot to do all your special CLI things in [00:46] special cli things? [00:46] (but not ssh) [00:47] which you can do, but this is no different from doing so on Android [00:47] Don't I just simply open a terminal and do the thing? [00:47] @MatthewCroughan, Docker, etc [00:47] well you ssh to the host, and chroot into the chroot [00:47] No, if you type `sudo apt install` it'll get upset [00:47] @MatthewCroughan, no. the world is not installed by default, and the root filesystem is readonly [00:48] Unless you `debootstrap` or use Libertine to create a chroot for yourself, you've only got the preinstalled softwrae [00:48] [Edit] Unless you `debootstrap` or use Libertine to create a chroot for yourself, you've only got the preinstalled software [00:48] You can install more apps made for Ubuntu Touch via clicks [00:48] is debootstrap even pre-installed? [00:48] No [00:48] you can download a pre-installed rootfs tarball and unpack, and chroot into it, though [00:48] That would also work [00:49] So really, you can do all the things you can do on Linux. But only if you do a workaround first. That's the same workaround that you'd need to do under Android [00:49] ```sudo apt-get install \ … apt-transport-https \ … ca-certificates \ … curl \ … software-properties-common … curl -fsSL https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/gpg | sudo apt-key add - … sudo apt-key fingerprint 0EBFCD88 … sudo add-apt-repository \ … "deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ub [00:49] untu \ … $(lsb_release -cs) \ … stable" … sudo apt-get update … sudo apt-get install docker-ce``` [00:49] At what point would this fail? [00:49] `sudo apt-get install` [00:49] Also, please don't paste large messages into Telegram. They're hard to read and the IRC folks get a small flood [00:49] Right, so UT has no standard package management that I'd be used to? [00:50] Sorry, my bad. [00:50] No. You would have to begin by making a `chroot` in your writable home directory or using Libertine [00:50] Which is preinstalled [00:50] it is a system image based paltform designed for embedded devices [00:51] You can make the root filesystem writable and run all of those commands, but you're liable to run out of space on the system image and your changes might get overwritten on an OTA upgrade. [00:51] Right, so once this one or two-step process is complete, and I have apt, what step in this process would fail? [00:51] while the default rootfs image is bulit from packages which are compiled as debs in the repository, debian packages are not the method of installing applications into the system [00:51] Possibly running the docker daemon, depending on what features it needs [00:51] so what package manager is being used? [00:52] `click`, it's for graphical applications [00:52] Made with tooling for Ubuntu Touch [00:52] Which is seemless for wireless display 15.04 or 16.04 [00:52] @PartTimer, please stop repeating this question in different forms [00:52] it will not increase the chances of you getting the exact answer you wish to hear [00:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DisplayCasting [00:53] That's the only answer we can give [00:53] Your mileage may vary [00:55] Can I get convergence [00:55] Or stream [00:55] @UniversalSuperBox, Sure [00:55] Asking again won't really change the answer, most of the information is on that wiki page [00:55] what is "convergence" to you? [00:56] Given the context, wireless display [00:56] Splitting hairs on the word won't help anyone [00:56] if it's just external display, then sure; buy a Nexus 5, and a SlimPort adapter, and be done with it [00:57] But only two supported devices? [00:57] Yes, only two known working devices. [01:10] @dohbee, Its when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much. [01:11] @PhoenixLandPirate, -_- [02:23] It is dissapointing that Wireless Display might not work out of the box for my on a Oneplus One [02:23] But then again, I'm not coming here for that, it'd just be the cherry on to [02:23] [Edit] But then again, I'm not coming here for that, it'd just be the cherry on top [02:26] Well it should (I haven't tested it), but probably only for those sinks [02:30] @UniversalSuperBox, Uh [03:19] Fwd from joonnnyyyy: É esse? https://t.me/UBports_Unity8 === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [04:42] @advocatux, Muchas gracias eh === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [05:53] (Sticker, 364x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kBGeHh6d.webp [07:33] Hello. … 1. I'm wondering if there will be support for "motorola moto c plus"? … 2. If not, then how can I install the "OS" on my model of the smartphone "motorola moto c plus"? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [07:42] @allsafepro You can read about compatible devices here: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ [07:43] if you know how to develop and want to take on the challenge of porting Ubuntu Touch to a new device you can start here: … https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/ [07:47] @UniversalSuperBox, Sorry, but that was hilarious. I love how the first instruction he mentioned would prevent everything else because, indeed, the rootfs is write protected by default. === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [09:47] uTioPAXH80 was added by: uTioPAXH80 [13:22] Are there any Keepit experts here? [13:27] @distrojunkie, I only know that Keeweb works better than Keepit :) … Shot your question, someone will help you (probably) [13:33] @mimecar, hey! you! welcome! 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