[03:00] <lotuspsychje> acheronuk: ok tnx
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:20] <EriC^^> morning all
[06:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ lordievader
[06:07] <ducasse> good morning
[06:09] <Beaky42> Good morning.
[06:10] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> hi Beaky42
[06:11] <Beaky42> Hi lotuspsychje
[06:12] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:12] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> all good here tnx
[06:27] <ducasse> hi lordievader
[06:28] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:28] <lordievader> How are you?
[06:29] <ducasse> i'm good, thanks, and you?
[07:15] <lordievader> Doing good here 😁
[07:26] <lordievader> Any plans for today?
[07:33] <EriC^^> hey lordievader
[07:33] <lordievader> Morning EriC^^
[07:34] <EriC^^> how are you doing?
[07:35] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you?
[07:36] <EriC^^> good thank
[07:36] <EriC^^> *thanks
[10:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[10:03] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[10:06] <guiverc> Howdy BluesKaj
[10:07] <BluesKaj> hi guiverc
[10:09]  * BluesKaj needs more coffee
[10:40] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[10:41] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader
[10:42] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[10:44] <BluesKaj> good here, and you?
[10:48] <BluesKaj> heading to Toronto later this morning to visit my daughter then on to Windsor Ontario to visit my son on saturday, but I'll be in touch with freenode on the laptop
[10:52] <lordievader> Sounds like a nice weekend
[10:52] <lordievader> I'm heading to my parents this weekend.
[10:55] <BluesKaj> lordievader, is it still really hot there?
[10:55] <BluesKaj> temps have moderated here in the last week or so
[10:55] <lordievader> It has cooled down quite a bit. Still very dry. But not as hot as a couple of weeks ago.
[10:56] <BluesKaj> good
[10:59] <lordievader> How is it there now? Around 20 degrees too?
[11:05] <BluesKaj> more like 26 during the day
[11:08] <lordievader> Oh. Well, still better than 30+.
[11:11] <BluesKaj> yeah 26 isn't hot
[11:13] <BluesKaj> the water temp in some of the lakes in our area is 25
[11:14] <BluesKaj> normally they're 21-23
[11:15] <BluesKaj> in august
[12:52] <BluesKaj> later gents...take care
[13:03] <hggdh> good morning all
[13:04] <JimBuntu> g'morn hggdh
[13:05] <hggdh> fortunately it is fresher here today, probably mid-90s only. First floow AC is down...
[13:05] <daftykins> you have a unit per floor?
[13:05] <hggdh> yes
[13:05] <daftykins> interesting
[13:06] <hggdh> standard deployment here, at least
[13:07] <hggdh> (I mean, for houses. apartment buildings usually have a central unit)
[13:07] <daftykins> where i am we don't have AC in homes so it's alien to me :D
[13:07] <JimBuntu> daftykins, Do you have a single spigot for hot and another one for cold water?
[13:08] <hggdh> yeah, not very common in non-mediteranean Europe
[13:08] <hggdh> but will probably be. My last trips to Europe during summer have been miserable, with the hotel AC not being able to keep up
[13:09] <daftykins> that used to be the way more in an 80s bathroom, but the norm has become to have mixer taps now
[13:09] <daftykins> my hot water temp is defined by my gas fired boiler though, so i can just adjust it between seasons to meet an appropriate temp :D
[13:11] <JimBuntu> I use an electric water heater, so I can adjust it as well. Good savings turning off the heater in summer while everyone is sleeping.
[13:13] <daftykins> \o/
[13:14] <daftykins> a lot of people seem to get these hot water tank setups but they seem wasteful, plus the idea of running out of hot water seems ridiculous
[13:16] <JimBuntu> daftykins, agreed. on-demand is better in many ways now a days
[13:16] <JimBuntu> The new electric tankless heaters are really small
[13:18] <hggdh> daftykins: hot-water tanks (boilers) are pretty common here. Only recently on-demand heaters have really been available
[13:18] <hggdh> so yes, running out of hot water is quite common
[13:28] <leftyfb> I've got one
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-release-upgrader
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk
[17:05] <pragmaticenigma> I will never understand why someone thinks it's an ubuntu issue when the error screen they are looking at says "MICROSOFT" at the top and is a Windows error screen of BSOD
[17:06] <daftykins> hahaha
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> Linux (especially grub) doesn't spit out Hexidecimal error codes. Searching for 0cx000000e on google lands the, Windows cannot find its installation partition...
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins: You miss out on some good stuff in the main room
[17:09] <daftykins> i really, really don't
[17:09] <daftykins> :)
[17:09] <pragmaticenigma> but your wisdom!
[17:10] <mwsb> daftykins: arch is the best server os
[17:11] <daftykins> frankly i no longer believe those who can't help themselves should be helped
[17:12] <pragmaticenigma> Given some of the latest encounters... that's not far off
[17:13] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: it's because they knew someone once who's sister's cousin mentioned the word linux once, so obviously it's a linux problem.
[17:14] <leftyfb> mwsb: please stop with that. If you believe that, then you don't belong here.
[17:15] <daftykins> leftyfb: it's fine, it's a private joke of ours
[17:15]  * daftykins pats mwsb 
[17:15] <leftyfb> daftykins: it's pretty annoying to see it posted in here multiple times
[17:16] <oerheks> chu, yesterday it was oraclelinux ?
[17:16] <daftykins> it's gonna become a really unpleasant place to be if we're not allowed to say certain things
[17:17] <leftyfb> daftykins: saying things is one thing. To make a bold statement like that on multiple locations. A statement that is clearly against the majority opinion in here. We get it. mwsb has an opinion(of which he has argued as fact). It's just trolling to keep saying it
[17:17] <leftyfb> locations/occasions
[17:17] <pragmaticenigma> it's going to get more fun if MS moves to DaaS... I think we're going to see more converts come running
[17:18] <daftykins> leftyfb: no you're 100% wrong, we're teasing someone who thinks that
[17:18] <leftyfb> what am I wrong about?
[17:19] <daftykins> that mwsb even remotely likes arch
[17:19] <daftykins> granted it's tough to know without a smiley to confirm the sarcasm
[17:20] <leftyfb> ok, carry on then :)
[17:20] <leftyfb> you understand the lack of context though can get a bit annoying
[17:20] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:20] <leftyfb> inside jokes don't translate well on IRC
[17:20] <daftykins> mwsb: we must use a winking face in future i feel
[17:21] <mwsb> Lol
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> -_o okay
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> meanwhile, how long before out "helper" gets bumped?
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> s/out/our/
[17:48] <EriC^^> evening guys
[18:03] <oerheks> hi EriC^^
[18:04] <EriC^^> hi oerheks o/
[18:13] <JimBuntu> oerheks, apt update -f is basically the same as apt-get install -f, right?
[18:14] <oerheks> JimBuntu, yes, apt-get is now apt, but apt-get is still a valid command
[18:14] <oerheks> wait, apt update -f ???
[18:14] <oerheks> never used that one
[18:14] <JimBuntu> Oh lordy Tux, it will take me forever to stop using apt-get, apt-cache /etc... too much muscle memory
[18:15] <oerheks> :-D
[18:15] <JimBuntu> oerheks, I thought that was the command you recently told someone in main... right as I was about to suggest apt-get install -f
[18:15] <oerheks> yes, linux is not static
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> i don't think apt-get is going anywhere anytime soon... I think you're safe
[19:08] <hggdh> apt-get has not been obsoleted. Both still exist.
[19:08] <hggdh> the main difference is apt is more "user-friendly"
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> that's the way I think of it, hggdh a more user friendly interface for aptitude
[20:05] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: for apt-get, not aptitude
[20:05] <hggdh> (well, it is more friendly than aptitude as well)
[20:25] <tomreyn> the apt-get vs aptitude history is a funny one. these days, almost everyone and everything seems to recommend apt-get (and apt). but there are still people sticking with aptitude. the main difference, IIRC, is that aptitude uses a different mechanism to mark packages held than apt, and that some say aptitude had a better dependency solver.
[20:26] <tomreyn> i'm not sure whether these differences are still present, and whether this means we should really use or the other, and never both.
[22:27] <leftyfb> it's amazing that we have 32 ops and none of them are ever around when you really need them. And they refuse to add ops that will actually ban trolls/spammers. I just don't understand the apprehension
[22:28] <oerheks> tomreyn, that difference is long gone, no?
[22:33] <tomreyn> oerheks: i dont know, do you?
[22:33] <tomreyn> (and which difference exactly, making held packages, or resolving dependencies)
[22:34] <tomreyn> *maRking
[22:35]  * tomreyn nods towards leftyfb
[22:35] <leftyfb> reported again
[22:36] <leftyfb> look, ops that actually do their job ... amazing
[22:38] <oerheks> the only advantage for aptitude is less commands to learn/remember https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude#apt-get_to_aptitude
[22:38] <oerheks> technically they are equal, IIRC
[22:59] <leftyfb> el: you might want to take care of cancrogeno (~mlml@213.183.45.200) has joined #ubuntu as well before they start spamming again