[06:04] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:27] <knightwise> hey everyone
[06:34] <brobostigon> hi
[07:44] <knightwise> Has any of you ever played with Angular ?
[07:44] <knightwise> srr , Bootstrap
[07:49] <marxjohnson> Yes, and yes
[07:50] <knightwise> marxjohnson: silly question but is this somehing I can compare to Wordpress (with a full backend ?) or more like a static html/css webpage  ?
[07:51] <marxjohnson> Bootstrap?  It's a frontend UI framework, not really comparable to something like Wordpress which is a full web application. You can, for example, get Wordpress themes that are based on Bootstrap.
[07:52] <knightwise> ok, So lets say I want to make a simple one-pager website (Company logo, contact details) would Bootstrap be a good choice to have something that looks half decent ?
[07:53] <marxjohnson> Yes
[07:58] <marxjohnson> Assuming you're happy to hand-code the HTML
[07:59] <knightwise> hmm.. i think i might be able to look at that.
[08:00] <marxjohnson> Bootstrap essentially gives you some nicer-than-the-browser's default styles, then a bunch of CSS classes to apply to your elements which will style them responsive layouts, and UI components
[08:01] <marxjohnson> The documentation has examples of what it provides: https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/components/buttons/ https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/layout/overview/
[08:01] <knightwise> so for a quick noob-fix I could download a template , throw the html into a wysiwyg editor, swap out text and images and .. upload the shbang ?
[08:03] <marxjohnson> I guess so, as long as your wysiwyg editor doesnt screw with the markup too much
[08:03] <knightwise> yep ,
[08:04] <knightwise> But unlike Wordpress I won't need SQL and PHP to run it, right ?
[08:08] <marxjohnson> Right
[08:08] <knightwise> correct
[08:09] <knightwise> that simplifies things. Gonna give it a looksee if i can get it running on the pi and mess with the html
[08:10] <knightwise> thanx marxjohnson
[08:10] <knightwise> basically I need something to put together simple onepager websites for clients that don"t have a "real" website yet
[08:12] <diplo> Lots of free sites out there for Bootstrap templates
[08:13] <knightwise> yeah that's what i'm looking at.
[09:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:03] <mgdm> o/
[10:25] <knightwise>  harg
[10:25] <knightwise> Thats it
[10:25] <knightwise> i'm building a pi speaker for the office
[10:25] <knightwise> Got a google home to try out
[10:25] <knightwise> but just like the sonos I find it .. lacking
[11:00] <ali1234> think of bootstrap as a library you can use to make a wordpress theme
[11:01] <ali1234> or a theme for any other website
[11:16] <daftykins> i use a pi running picoreplayer plugged into my AV receiver over HDMI to stream music in my lounge, from logitech media server which is already present to run the squeezebox in my bedroom - works quite nicely
[11:23] <diplo> Sounds interesting daftykins - just bought my piups for my car setup
[11:24] <daftykins> :D
[12:25] <ujjain> How realistic is it that my friend using Ubuntu can do a pull up holding on to a 30kg dumbell between his legs?
[12:26] <mgdm> if he can do that while actively using Ubuntu I will be impressed
[12:32] <zxmoy-pi> could be a vinatge luggable computer that's the dumbell...
[12:41] <brobostigon> get-iplayer --get 7279 :)
[12:44] <mgdm> what's that?
[12:46] <diplo> Download and see ? :D
[12:46] <daftykins> heh nope
[12:46] <daftykins> brobostigon could be tricking us with something nasty like Corrie!
[12:47] <brobostigon> twelve monkeys, :)
[12:47] <daftykins> hmm have no idea what that is
[12:48] <brobostigon> its a terry gilliam film.
[12:49] <daftykins> have we got any Manx folk left? curious what their current bank notes look like
[12:58] <daftykins> hrmm someone getting in touch to say they'll need to handle medical records, can't say i've had to deal with that before - i remembered the regs 'HIPAA' but that seems to be US only, anyone know what it is in the UK?
[12:59] <diplo> I believe it's just the DPA ( data protection act ) that covers it here
[13:00] <diplo> So now, that would also be extended to GDPR
[13:01] <daftykins> mmm, people seem to be getting easily duped into the idea that they have to encrypt all their storage and email attachments to meet GDPR, which is false
[13:01] <daftykins> http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN07103/SN07103.pdf - this seems useful too
[13:01] <daftykins> thanks diplo
[13:02] <diplo> Yeah lots of that stuff going around, consultants are causing part of the issue and the laws themselves are so wishy washy that it's going to take case law probably to get it defined better
[13:02] <diplo> But  Ithink it has done its initial job, make people more aware of what data they store
[13:05] <knightwise> the law is a disaster
[13:06] <knightwise> we have been doing some consulting with small businesses around it.. its sooo unclear
[13:06] <knightwise> especially when you have people processing data for you
[13:06] <diplo> Yup, we do that for our customers, so we are DPA or whatever the title is
[13:08] <daftykins> much preferred my work before i had to start trawling through long documents to see what was right and wrong xD
[13:09] <awilkins> The 12 Monkeys TV series was pretty enjoyable
[13:09] <awilkins> Although like many time-travel dramas it suffers from plot inflation
[13:09] <diplo> Haven't finished that yet, got sidetracked, good reminder thanks awilkins :)
[13:10] <awilkins> The intrinsic problem with time travel drama is like any of us have any chance vs the first megalomaniac with a time machine
[13:11] <awilkins> TBH If Thanos had any brains, he would just have gone back in time and established natural limits in the ecosystems he sought to police
[13:12] <awilkins> And no-one would ever have known or cared that he'd done it
[13:12] <awilkins> Except maybe to think "Huh, the ecosystem seems curiously well designed to stop us all killing ourselves with a Malthusian crisis... maybe there's a benevolent god looking out for us?"
[13:13] <awilkins> Instead "I'MMA GONNA MAKE YOUR GRANNY VANISH AND EXPECT NO RETALIATION AT ALL FROM THE WHOLE UNIVERSE OF SENTIENT BEINGS!". Not smart.
[13:14] <diplo> But that wouldn't have made for a action packed film :)
[13:35] <diplo> Want to buy a domain name for testing, short url... suggestions as I've gone blank :)
[13:35] <zxmoy-pi> derp.com ?
[13:36] <diplo> I'm guessing registered :D
[13:36] <zxmoy-pi> blab flub barf blub
[13:43] <daftykins> diplo.rocks
[13:43] <daftykins> (:
[13:55] <diplo> Well it's free :)
[13:56] <diplo> tuat, kaliam or ombos ? what do you reckon
[13:59] <diddledan> 👍🏻.ws
[14:00] <diddledan> I've got 🎳🎩.ws
[14:02] <diplo> I can't make out them that well in irssi and my rubbish eyesight :)
[14:06] <zxmoy-pi> ::copied to mousepad:: ... bowling and a tophat...
[15:28] <daftykins> i'd not seen that 'unattended-upgrade in progress' shutdown splash message before, hrmm - definitely not the way i'd like to see updates applied (ubuntu 18.04 on the old iMac i was gifted)
[16:44] <diddledan> how old?
[16:52] <daftykins> Late 2007 dinosaur, it's got until Mojave comes out then El Capitan might go EOL, then it'll be truly dumped by Apple given it can't have a newer release
[16:59] <diddledan> golly, that is old
[16:59] <daftykins> yep, i threw in a cheap SSD i had to hand and it almost runs ubuntu though ;)
[17:41] <daftykins> in fact since ifixit sent me free replacement bits for my kit, as a Torx size 8 had died during working on that thing, i just put the last of the screws back in \o/
[19:06] <zxmoy-pi> should have held it in with chewing gum... it would please steve jobs... :-P