[04:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:18] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Though My name is not all ,,,, I will accept the good morning, anyway :P
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: a very good morning to you, even if your name ride to the stars soon
[04:19] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: :D
[06:28] <ducasse> tomreyn: oerheks pretty sure aptitude still uses a different algorithm to resolve dependencies, some people swear by it to figure out messes apt-get can't get out of
[06:29] <ducasse> and good morning, everyone
[13:02] <tomreyn> ducasse: do you know about whether they still mark packages held differently, too?
[13:20] <ducasse> tomreyn: no, sorry, i don't.
[13:24] <tomreyn> i'll setup a test
[13:36] <ducasse> is there more than one way to do it, really? i'd think it's just a matter of setting a flag
[14:06] <tomreyn> different flags though
[14:07] <tomreyn> so i wrote this http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pzB99rR5ct/
[14:08] <tomreyn> and its output is this http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nX9CWy4WQP/
[14:08] <tomreyn> not the greatest output design ;)
[14:11] <ducasse> if it works, it works :)
[14:11] <tomreyn> but it shows the following on this 18.04.1 server test system: when aptitude marks a package 'hold', all of the apt family (apt, apt-get, apt-mark), aptitude and dpkg understand it. when the apt family marks a package as 'hold', only the apt family and dpkg understand that it is hold, not aptitude.
[14:13] <tomreyn> i.e. if you exclusively use the apt family you're always safe. if you mix with aptitude, aptitude is not always in the know, and may make bad decisions or corrupt the overall state.
[14:18] <tomreyn> hmm i guess this actually means if you use aptitude to manage packages that were hold using the apt family, this could result in plenty of bad situations since aptitude still uses dpkg to carry out package (un)installations and dpkg does understand apt held states.
[16:21] <oerheks> good talk, chris .. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/x86-hidden-god-mode,37582.html
[16:21]  * oerheks facepalms
[16:23] <oerheks> shall i publish the rest of the codes?
[16:26] <tomreyn> which other codes, oerheks ?
[16:28] <oerheks> the list is longer than that, and is known since 2012 IIRC
[16:29] <oerheks> https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/649219
[16:31] <tomreyn> that's intel, 64-bit
[16:32] <oerheks> Jups, but the flaw expands to intel / pro too
[16:32] <oerheks> also an old processor
[16:37] <tomreyn> pentium pro? yes, those are even older than via's
[16:39] <Nokaji> Does the S/W Centre ever do an automatic "apt-get update"?
[16:40] <Nokaji> with install
[16:42] <oerheks> Nokaji, no, i think it does no update run before that
[16:44] <Nokaji> oerheks: Okie, that was kinda my impression - I wondered bcuz the advice with either Terminal or Synaptic, has always been run an update first but I don't recall that ever being said of the S/W C.
[16:45] <oerheks> it would be logical, though
[16:45] <Nokaji> I notice in 18.04 at least, it does say UPDATE "Up to Date"
[16:46] <sonicwind> tomreyn, interesting. Glad I don't use aptitude then. I just use the Apt Apt-get dpkg. Good to know though.
[16:55] <tomreyn> Nokaji: this is gnome-software on both 16.04 (window in front) and 18.04 (window in background): http://i.imgur.com/rSUKXo7.png - note the tiny 'refresh' icon top left.
[16:56] <tomreyn> it's only available once the 'updates' tab has been selected.
[17:02] <Nokaji> tomreyn: Yup, I've never noticed it in S/W C before now but then I never looked for it, using the alternative methods
[17:02] <Nokaji> or form the TopBar
[17:03] <Nokaji> which was set to 'auto', so was the default
[17:21] <Nokaji> maybe I'll be able to devote a little more time to understanding the intricacies of linux in the forthcoming period ... may even dual boot with an alternative distro, now I've 'fixed' my pc - looking at a debian kde type at the mo'
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:54] <sonicwind> hey lotus
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> hey sonicwind how are you tonight
[17:55] <sonicwind> I'm doing OK
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> nice
[17:57] <sonicwind> I have a new desktop PC that I hope to get going in the next few days... I think I'm going to jump into the big bad world of UEFI.
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> whats your plan sonicwind
[17:57] <sonicwind> trying to read up on what all is going to go wrong for me LOL
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: whats your endgoal?
[17:58] <sonicwind> hope to have Windows 10 on the internal, with Ubuntu running on my external dock. I've been reading tons of stuff on AskUbuntu & ubuntuforums. All of sudodus' posts and more.
[17:59] <sonicwind> I previously had a similar setup with Windows 7, but without UEFI.
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: with external you mean an usb harddisk?
[17:59] <sonicwind> yes
[18:00] <sonicwind> I have   a great dock I put them in.
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: i would not reccomend that, as usb bottlenecks speed
[18:00] <sonicwind> worked great with Win 7
[18:00] <sonicwind> I was fine with it. It was plenty fast.
[18:00] <sonicwind> I don't do anything demanding
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> right
[18:00] <sonicwind> most demanding thing I do is watch HD videos sometimes or video on YouTube, and it was fine for that
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: do you game on w10?
[18:00] <sonicwind> no
[18:00] <sonicwind> don't game at all
[18:00] <sonicwind> not in 20 years lol
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: why do you need w10 for specificly?
[18:01] <sonicwind> only because the new desktop came with it... so might as well try it while I have it, no? I didn't want it. Wish I still had Win 7 lol.
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: you could make your life easy, make an usb backup of your w10, install ubuntu single on your main internet hd
[18:02] <sonicwind> startup time doesn't matter to me... I wake up, start the computer and go get breakfast. Then its on all day.
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> and run w10 in a virtualbox or so if you wanna test
[18:02] <sonicwind> HP no longer includes software to make a copy of the windows 10. HP Recovery Manager or whatever its called
[18:03] <sonicwind> new this year
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: think w10 has an own backup to usb thing now
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> ask daftykins when you see him
[18:03] <sonicwind> thats all the stuff I'm still working out
[18:04] <sonicwind> just hope this laptop doesn't die on me while I'm sorting that all out. I think I've decided not to use Secure Boot. Just seems to complicate stuff.
[18:06] <sonicwind> I do plan to make a Macrium Reflect image of the Windows 10 once its installed.
[18:08] <sonicwind> if it all goes bad and I blow up Windows 10, that's fine too. Then I will just stick Ubuntu on the internal.
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> !uefi
[18:09] <sonicwind> yep
[18:10] <sonicwind> I've been reading up for days.
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: when you see eric, poke him to help you on yefi
[18:13] <sonicwind> who is eric
[18:14] <sonicwind> is that his username?
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: he's our uefi wizard
[18:14] <sonicwind> ok
[18:15] <sonicwind> I see two eric's in #ubuntu
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: he's not here atm
[18:15] <sonicwind> ok... his username is just 'eric' ?
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: EriC^^ like this
[18:16] <sonicwind> oh yes I've seen him... thanks
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> he will join here in discuss daily
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[19:17] <tomreyn> a short day
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> or connect problems
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> he's from lebanon
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> not always stable
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> !ping | EriC^^
[19:35] <tomreyn> oh ok