[00:01] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I do not think it should be included
[00:02] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Glad for the confirmation .
[00:06] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Got a good start on making up the summaries :) A lot to do tomorrow . Can not forecast when I will be able to complete them - or how they will read .
[00:09] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, it is good that you have got a jump on writing them and hopefully you will have some help, have you been sending out the summary writers email or just relying on yourself and guiverc ?
[00:10] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I gave up on the Email for additional help .. guiverc has been doing the brunt of the summaries .
[00:11] <guiverc> I was wondering if my stepping in should be late .. so if some you've attempted-to-join-us looks at doc, the can see something to do, instead of a full doc..  there is always the risk that I'll not be able to (sunday), either i forget, pain etc ..
[00:12] <guiverc> (attempted to join us - ie. those you've tried to recruit; been talked about last couple of days ...)
[00:13] <Wild_Man> guiverc, it does not look like anyone else that I have recruited is going to help unfortunately
[00:15] <guiverc> happens - i never got anywhere in anything i tried; but tried to email those that did something on occasion just to try & keep the few (2-3) that did...
[00:15] <guiverc> (anything i tried - meaning recruiting a couple of years? ago)
[00:16] <Wild_Man> I am happy to email the ones on the list
[00:17] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: guiverc Would be mice if we got any type of feed back - anyone checking to see if we ever get anything ?
[00:18] <guiverc> the email I meant was a 'touching base - update'  or goodwill email ...  as at the time episodes weren't going out exactly weekly...
[00:18] <Wild_Man> There has been no replies for quite a while
[00:19] <guiverc> i would treat that as normal Wild_Man - the most common i got was 'sorry no time, please remove me..'
[00:19] <Wild_Man> guiverc, I did that in the when we first started the letter back up
[00:24] <guiverc> Bashing-om, i agree re: feedback - checking where?
[00:25] <Bashing-om> guiverc: There is a non-used means: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas . I have yet to see a submission . Do people not read our newsletter ?
[00:26] <Wild_Man> guiverc, we email them from then team M/L so if they reply they should reply to this list now but no one has replied or Krytarik and myself would have seen them
[00:27] <guiverc> we get a few hits - but that means ???  (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue539?action=info&hitcounts=1)
[00:27] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I do not think we have many readers anymore but there is no way to no for sure but if I remember correct there is like 7000 people that receive it in there emaail
[00:28] <guiverc> as we reached #500; some effort was put in (esp. lyz & paul) to get feedback, and yeah, it was underwhelming then too
[00:28] <Bashing-om> I say again. The load is taxing for just 2 people to prepare the newsletter. I do not know how long I can maintain, as I have fall chores that must get done for Winter preperation .
[00:30] <Wild_Man> If anyone knows anyone that can help please ask them and if you know another way to reach helpers I am open to suggestions
[00:30] <pleia2> there are more readers than you think ;) when the newsletter disappears, they come out of the woodwork to speak up
[00:30] <Wild_Man> that is good to know
[00:30] <pleia2> but it is near impossible to find contributors, which is why things quieted down for months
[00:31] <Wild_Man> I recruited four or five people but none of them helped so that went no where but I will keep trying
[00:31] <pleia2> I made it *super* simple with a very simple survey to people who said they wanted to contribute, I think I got one reply
[00:32] <pleia2> but yeah, I think for every 10 that say they'll help, 1 does
[00:32] <Wild_Man> where did you post that and do you have a copy of it?
[00:32] <Wild_Man> That sounds about right
[00:32] <pleia2> it was a private email to all the contributors like 4 years ago, the form is long since deleted
[00:32] <Wild_Man> okay
[00:33] <pleia2> I was trying to see what we could do to make it easier to contribute, if there was some reason people weren't when they said they were interested
[00:33] <Bashing-om> pleia2: What gets me - presently - What do we do that anyone with an RSS reader can not do better ?
[00:33] <pleia2> Bashing-om: people like getting hand-picked articles once a week, reading everything as it comes in all week long is a bit overwhelming
[00:34] <pleia2> I'm not saying you have to keep working on UWN, I gave up too when it got to be too much work for me
[00:34] <Wild_Man> I am not sure what we can do since we had to lock down goole docs but I think with recruiting our main focus needs to be on summary writers
[00:34] <Bashing-om> pleia2: :) great point . I rest on your knowledge and skills :)
[00:35] <guiverc> I agree with pleia2 Bashing-om - re: weekly roundup versus liferea ... liferea is my choice; but I like the concise grouping too (for when I'm out of time, get behind on feeds to catch up on missed, those with less time I assume rely on weekly news more)
[00:37] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I have got the procedure to publish my part down to where I can do it in a couple of hours - if the summaries are completed.
[00:37] <Wild_Man> pleia2, is there a way to write it up and streamline the process onto an RSS feed or digital format of some type?
[00:38] <pleia2> not really, but if you just want to feed people articles, you could stop writing summaries
[00:38] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, publishing is what I am best at and that is what I said I could do when I volunteered so that way I can do my part
[00:39] <Wild_Man> that does not sound good, what do you think?
[00:39] <Bashing-om> pleia2: guiverc raised the point to write the summary in such a way that the reader is prompted to read the article.
[00:40] <pleia2> I didn't think the newsletter was worth it without the summaries, but it's in your hands now to decide these things, especially when the other option is "no newsletter at all"
[00:40] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I have done the xfer from Gdocs to wiki a few times .. and I am now fairly comfortable doing so .
[00:41] <Wild_Man> we will discuss it I guess when Krytarik gets back
[00:42] <Bashing-om> pleia2: Wild_Man The format that pleia2 has set up and developed over a long period of time is a good one ! .. We just need the help to write !
[00:43] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I agree, also times change and sometimes we have to adapt to stay in the game, not saying that we are there though
[00:45] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Agrreed .. we will soon have to include personal devices in a section .. and give more exposure to the cloud . The day of the desktop system is passing .
[00:53] <guiverc> there was a 'ubuntu phone' section as i recall; it was removed ...  (re: devices section)
[00:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah, I too recall the 'phone' section. The point is that we must be open to change .. and adjust our presentation accordingly .
[00:57] <guiverc> :)
[00:59] <Bashing-om> In the meantime --- see if I can knock out another summary :) Got nothing the more pressing to get done at this time :P
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