| duflu | jamesh, if you're not using it any more then please close the pulse merge proposal | 03:58 |
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| jamesh | duflu: I'll merge the change in. I was just waiting for kenvandine to sponsor the upload for me (which he said he'd get around to today) | 03:59 |
| duflu | jamesh, using the ubuntu branch is fine. Although I tend to use separate proposed branches now, since other people often unknowingly win the race and get other changes into archive first, which then need merging | 04:02 |
| jamesh | duflu: yep. That's why I haven't merged it into the ubuntu branch yet. I'll do that once I know I've won that race | 04:08 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 07:01 |
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| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:24 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN | 07:24 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128 | 07:26 |
| oSoMoN | passé un bon week-end? | 07:26 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN and seb128 | 07:29 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu, had a good week-end? | 07:31 |
| duflu | oSoMoN, yes my home tasks virtual Trello board is shrinking :) | 07:31 |
| duflu | You oSoMoN? | 07:31 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, ouais, nickel, et toi ? | 07:31 |
| duflu | seb128, sorry if it's too early in the day/week but would you prefer a debdiff or tars for the mpv upgrade? (bug 1785993) | 07:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1785993 in mpv (Ubuntu) "Please merge mpv 0.29 from Debian" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1785993 | 07:32 |
| duflu | A debdiff is going to be large, and confused by the rebase on the debian changelog | 07:33 |
| seb128 | orig/dsc/diff.gz is good | 07:33 |
| duflu | seb128, it will be too big to reasonably review, does that matter? | 07:34 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, very good week-end with the family and I even managed to get some rest :) | 07:35 |
| duflu | Ah, doesn't matter. It cost me little time to provide all the files for all options | 07:40 |
| seb128 | duflu, depending of the changes but it's probably fine to follow debian or upstream without fully reviewing the diffs | 07:42 |
| seb128 | duflu, if you provide the .dsc/diff then the sponsor can debdiff if interested | 07:42 |
| willcooke | morning | 07:57 |
| Laney | yo | 08:01 |
| duflu | Hullo willcooke, Laney | 08:02 |
| oSoMoN | good morning willcooke, Laney | 08:03 |
| willcooke | Good weekend everyone? | 08:05 |
| duflu | Yeah, you willcooke? | 08:06 |
| willcooke | Spent all weekend painting the new plaster in the hall, stairs and landing | 08:06 |
| duflu | Fun fun | 08:07 |
| willcooke | Still needs another base coat before I can start on the actual colour | 08:07 |
| willcooke | trying to make the bare plaster match the old painted walls first | 08:07 |
| willcooke | nearly there now | 08:07 |
| willcooke | but year, tired | 08:07 |
| duflu | On the upside, part of the house probably smells new (painty) | 08:08 |
| willcooke | ha, well, interesting story there, to me at least. I love the smell of fresh paint, but all the new stuff (I guess in the last couple of years) doesn't really smell at all anymore | 08:08 |
| willcooke | Thanks Europe | 08:08 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke, Laney, how are you? | 08:19 |
| seb128 | had a nice w.e? | 08:19 |
| Laney | hey duflu oSoMoN willcooke seb128 | 08:21 |
| Laney | yes, quite nice, played games with friends on saturday and my family came to visit on sunday | 08:21 |
| Laney | went to a cafe and then to the park :3 | 08:21 |
| Laney | you? | 08:21 |
| seb128 | nice | 08:24 |
| seb128 | we went shopping and got some new flowers to put on the balcony on saturday and had dinner with friends/played games, sunday was more relaxing/doing nothing, weather was nice so we walked around a bit in the afternoon and went to the playgroud | 08:26 |
| Nafallo | morning | 08:27 |
| Laney | flowers |o| | 08:28 |
| Laney | hey Nafallo | 08:28 |
| Laney | been a while (or I've ignored you for a while) | 08:28 |
| Nafallo | been a while. 7 weeks vacation :-) | 08:29 |
| Nafallo | first day back at work now. | 08:29 |
| duflu | Wow. Doing vacation properly. Morning Nafallo | 08:29 |
| Nafallo | I changed consultancy company during the vacation, so needed to have stuff approved so the old one couldn't find me a new assignment ;-) | 08:30 |
| Laney | go away somewhere? | 08:31 |
| Nafallo | for a bit I had all of June, but ended up with just the last week :-) | 08:31 |
| Nafallo | well, not really. Sweden had a lot of high temperatures :-) | 08:31 |
| Nafallo | it's like 20° colder today :-P | 08:32 |
| Nafallo | very much "summer is over! go back to work!" | 08:34 |
| Nafallo | meh. I've forgotten to get the music back on my computer... | 08:37 |
| Nafallo | how annoying. | 08:37 |
| Trevinho | Morning guys | 09:10 |
| willcooke | hi Trevinho | 09:17 |
| duflu | Hi Trevinho | 09:18 |
| Trevinho | Hi willcooke and duflu | 09:19 |
| Laney | hey Trevinho | 09:22 |
| Laney | wb! | 09:22 |
| Trevinho | Laney: hi, thanks! | 09:24 |
| seb128 | hey Trevinho, had a good week off? | 09:25 |
| Trevinho | seb128: hey yes... as always very intense. Not really relaxing in terms of movement :-D | 09:27 |
| Trevinho | and the fact that it finished with the beginning weekend of the Feria de Málaga didn't help :-P | 09:27 |
| seb128 | haha | 09:28 |
| seb128 | well if you have fun then it's all good :) | 09:28 |
| andyrock | seb128: should we enable goa page in g-i-s in unity too? | 10:08 |
| seb128 | andyrock, I guess? they use goa as well now iirc... | 11:25 |
| seb128 | bah, it's sad that the main focus of the SRU team nowadays seems to nitpick on version numbers :/ | 11:29 |
| * seb128 reuploads another nautilus SRU after the previous one which has a totally acceptable version number got rejected | 11:30 | |
| oSoMoN | jibel, hasn't the upgrade path 16.04 -> 18.04.1 been enabled yet? | 11:42 |
| willcooke | oSoMoN, likely today | 11:52 |
| willcooke | oSoMoN, they fixed the last bugs on Thursday, and didnt want to turn it on on a Friday | 11:52 |
| tomreyn | hi there. it was suggested in #ubuntu-devel that i should ask / point out here that it'd be great to have a note on changed log file locations on bionic as per bug 1786701 | 11:53 |
| ubot5 | bug 1786701 in Release Notes for Ubuntu "Changed log locations for graphical services" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1786701 | 11:53 |
| seb128 | tomreyn, unsure that's not too technical for those, the notes should be something readable/understandable by "normal" users | 11:56 |
| jibel | oSoMoN, not yet | 11:59 |
| jibel | oSoMoN, there is still a major bug to fix/verify | 11:59 |
| jibel | oSoMoN, for reference bug 1766890 | 12:00 |
| ubot5 | bug 1766890 in gnome-menus (Ubuntu) "package gnome-menus 3.13.3-6ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: triggers looping, abandoned" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766890 | 12:00 |
| tomreyn | seb128: maybe i'm not a normal user, but it took me, and several others (in #ubuntu) who occasionally look at log files, quite some time that to find out that and where logs moved to. | 12:01 |
| tomreyn | (and it's something i would have appreciated to have read on the changelog.) | 12:01 |
| tomreyn | *release notes | 12:01 |
| seb128 | tomreyn, logs are a debugging tool, and we have a log viewer application installed by default which should remove the need to know the exact location | 12:03 |
| seb128 | tomreyn, but yeah, I understand that "hacking/debugging tips" can be useful, unsure if the release note are the right place for that though | 12:05 |
| tomreyn | have you tried to use 'Logs'? :) | 12:07 |
| seb128 | that's not an useful comment | 12:08 |
| tomreyn | i can understand the rationale, though. | 12:08 |
| seb128 | I guess you have issues with it, what about reporting them? | 12:08 |
| seb128 | I pushed back on it at first, but the UI got better | 12:08 |
| seb128 | it's still not making as much content available on screen and not as easy to read that gnome-log-viewer though | 12:09 |
| seb128 | but that's something we need to fix if we believe it still has problems | 12:09 |
| seb128 | anyway, yes helping sysadmins&co to know where to poke is good | 12:09 |
| seb128 | the release notes are not that though :) | 12:10 |
| tomreyn | okay, thanks for your POV | 12:10 |
| seb128 | or we could have a subsection/link to another document with more technical details | 12:10 |
| seb128 | willcooke, ^ wdyt? | 12:10 |
| * tomreyn would appreciate such | 12:10 | |
| Laney | who is going to write that thing and what qualifies to go in there? | 12:13 |
| seb128 | who is writing the current notes? | 12:14 |
| Laney | nobody until someone thinks argh we need to write notes and it's done in a rush | 12:15 |
| Laney | or sometimes people look at the release notes project and write them | 12:15 |
| Laney | but those bugs usually end up in a messy state | 12:15 |
| seb128 | k, well I guess if we had a section "technical details" on the page it would be under the same rules | 12:16 |
| seb128 | it would probably end up being one bullet point "xorg logs move to <ne< location>" | 12:17 |
| seb128 | but yeah, that's probably not something we are going to commit to | 12:17 |
| andyrock | seb128: is there already a lp regarding goa an gis? | 12:18 |
| willcooke | seb128, seems like a pretty easy addition to me. I dont think there's really a problem adding it. I can do that now | 12:27 |
| willcooke | oh, to be clear, I dont think we need another doc/wiki page - because no one will update it and it will just become incorrect very quickly | 12:28 |
| willcooke | a bullet on the release notes so that people searching /might/ find it, seems fine to me | 12:29 |
| willcooke | This sort of thing could go in to the "What's in 18.04" blog post kinda things | 12:29 |
| seb128 | andyrock, bug #1762192 | 12:37 |
| ubot5 | bug 1762192 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Welcome could offer to set up Online Accounts" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762192 | 12:37 |
| andyrock | seb128: I've a branch almost ready with the following: | 12:42 |
| andyrock | - update to 3.29.1 | 12:42 |
| andyrock | - sync the distro patches | 12:42 |
| andyrock | - enable the goa page | 12:43 |
| andyrock | doing this without updating to 3.29.1 required more work | 12:43 |
| andyrock | because our upstream is already half synced with 3.29.1 | 12:43 |
| seb128 | k, best to update then | 12:44 |
| seb128 | we want to go on the new version anyway | 12:44 |
| andyrock | kk I'm setting up a vm to test it and then I'll propose | 12:44 |
| kenvandine | jamesh, pulseaudio sponsored to cosmic | 13:17 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, jamesh, there is a packaging vcs but I don't see changes there, don't forget to push or duflu is going to get annoyed :) | 13:34 |
| kenvandine | jamesh was waiting for me to upload it before pushing | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | i don't think i can push it | 13:35 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you should be able, ubuntu-core-dev is member of ubuntu-audio-dev | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | oh... then i will just do it :) | 13:37 |
| seb128 | thx | 13:37 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, jamesh, did those patch got code review/where? | 13:37 |
| kenvandine | on LP | 13:37 |
| kenvandine | https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/pulseaudio/+git/pulseaudio/+merge/352558 | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | it was left with a needs fixing | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | but that was fixed and i saw them talking about merging it on irc last night | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | oh... hmm, that MR doesn't show the changelog update from james | 13:39 |
| kenvandine | i'll make sure what gets pushed matches what i uploaded | 13:39 |
| seb128 | thx | 13:39 |
| seb128 | also it would be good to have proper tag headers, and maybe that work can be forwarded upstream? | 13:39 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, jamesh, I'm a bit concerned that we lightly take on adding bigger ubuntu delta which is going to make updating more difficult in the futur | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | seb128, this isn't going upstream and we don't plan to support this forever | 13:43 |
| seb128 | until when? | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | until we can sort out how to appropriately do it upstream | 13:44 |
| seb128 | that's the sort of info that should be written in the changelog and/or patches so people maintaining the package know the deal :) | 13:44 |
| kenvandine | we needed a quick fix to limit the exposure | 13:44 |
| kenvandine | yeah... i guess it should have had a comment to that effect | 13:44 |
| seb128 | yeah, it's fine, still would be good to better document for those who need to update that package next | 13:44 |
| seb128 | unless you/james plan to handle pulseaudio updates from now on? | 13:45 |
| kenvandine | it'll take a while for a proper implementation that can go upstream | 13:45 |
| kenvandine | i can do another upload today with more comments | 13:45 |
| kenvandine | in the patch header | 13:45 |
| seb128 | just commit to the vcs | 13:45 |
| kenvandine | sure | 13:45 |
| seb128 | thx | 13:45 |
| kenvandine | fedora had a patch that sort of handled this case, that we could have used but they reverted it | 13:46 |
| seb128 | yeah, I saw, because it was hard to rebase on the new version | 13:46 |
| kenvandine | basically flatpak needs something like this as well | 13:46 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 13:46 |
| seb128 | I hope we don't end up having to do the same :p | 13:46 |
| kenvandine | so long term we need to help solve the problem | 13:46 |
| seb128 | I doubt they will | 13:46 |
| kenvandine | but we decided back in montreal that we had to do this for now to limit the exposure | 13:47 |
| seb128 | I think they plan is to use pipewire | 13:47 |
| seb128 | their* | 13:47 |
| kenvandine | if so then we will too | 13:47 |
| seb128 | right | 13:47 |
| seb128 | well, it's not there yet | 13:47 |
| kenvandine | exactly :) | 13:47 |
| seb128 | but that's one of the reason they are pushing for pipewire | 13:47 |
| ogra | is didrocks on vac this week ? | 13:48 |
| seb128 | it's their solution for sandoxing | 13:48 |
| seb128 | ogra, yes, and next | 13:48 |
| seb128 | ogra, why? | 13:48 |
| ogra | seb128, i'm working on digital signage atm and heard he had some demo snaps ... | 13:48 |
| ogra | just wanted to chat with him about them .... but its fine to do that once he's back | 13:48 |
| seb128 | ogra, k, I don't think others can help you with that, sorry, you need to wait for him to be back | 13:49 |
| ogra | yeah, no worries | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | seb128, at least we finally dropped the old trust store patches :) | 13:53 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 13:53 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it's a bit confusing to see a mp that was needsfixing being merged btw, would be nice if someone could comment on why it was merged anyway? | 13:54 |
| seb128 | it seems the upload does address the comment, it's just that the change was not pushed to the branch? | 13:55 |
| kenvandine | seb128, already done | 13:55 |
| kenvandine | i had just commented on the MR :) | 13:55 |
| seb128 | ah, good, thx! | 13:56 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i pushed the patch tags to vcs so it doesn't get lost | 14:15 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, good | 14:44 |
| Trevinho | seb128: as for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1782681 comment means you can just reupload it? | 15:03 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1782681 in nautilus (Ubuntu Bionic) "Upgrade to 3.26.4 and SRU it" [Undecided,New] | 15:03 |
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| ahayzen | kenvandine, FWIW to confirm for basically all Audio/Video (and IIRC desktop-screen-sharing ?) flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal is looking towards pipewire to solve the sandboxing issues :-) | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | ahayzen, yeah, that's what we're thinking | 16:10 |
| kenvandine | but not ready yet | 16:10 |
| kenvandine | we'll participate in that | 16:10 |
| ahayzen | kenvandine, great! yeah it's not yet ready, but looks promising, will hopefully solve the issues for snap as well :-) | 16:12 |
| andyrock | seb128: still here? should we add "Ubuntu Single Sign-on" in the online accounts page? | 16:34 |
| andyrock | seb128: upstream shows Google, Nextcloud, Microsoft and Facebook | 16:35 |
| andyrock | we can easily distropatch to show whatever we want | 16:35 |
| jbicha | andyrock: btw https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-initial-setup/merge_requests/13 | 16:38 |
| andyrock | jbicha: nice thx! I can distro patch this too | 16:40 |
| willcooke | g'night all see you tomorrow | 17:03 |
| seb128 | andyrock, that would make sense, wdy? | 17:09 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, yeah, I'm going to reupload it | 17:09 |
| Trevinho | seb128: thanks (sil2100 ^) | 17:10 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, and yeah it's annoying that the SRU team likes to be so picky on version numbers which don't really matter to the SRU/content of the upload... | 17:11 |
| andyrock | seb128: I think it makes sense to show it | 17:13 |
| andyrock | how can I keep dep3 info with gbp? | 17:13 |
| andyrock | looks like export is removing them | 17:13 |
| jbicha | andyrock: what are you trying to do exactly? you can use dep3 stuff in the git commit message like is done at https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mozjs52/blob/debian/master/debian/patches/tests-snans-be.patch | 17:16 |
| jbicha | https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/blob/debian/master/debian/patches/debian/synaptics-support.patch | 17:18 |
| andyrock | jbicha: I want to keep the "Forwared" and "Bug" metadata | 17:18 |
| andyrock | ah kk | 17:18 |
| andyrock | thx | 17:18 |
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