[03:58] <duflu> jamesh, if you're not using it any more then please close the pulse merge proposal
[03:59] <jamesh> duflu: I'll merge the change in.  I was just waiting for kenvandine to sponsor the upload for me (which he said he'd get around to today)
[04:02] <duflu> jamesh, using the ubuntu branch is fine. Although I tend to use separate proposed branches now, since other people often unknowingly win the race and get other changes into archive first, which then need merging
[04:08] <jamesh> duflu: yep.  That's why I haven't merged it into the ubuntu branch yet.  I'll do that once I know I've won that race
[07:01] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:24] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:24] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[07:26] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:26] <oSoMoN> passé un bon week-end?
[07:29] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and seb128
[07:31] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, had a good week-end?
[07:31] <duflu> oSoMoN, yes my home tasks virtual Trello board is shrinking :)
[07:31] <duflu> You oSoMoN?
[07:31] <seb128> oSoMoN, ouais, nickel, et toi ?
[07:32] <duflu> seb128, sorry if it's too early in the day/week but would you prefer a debdiff or tars for the mpv upgrade? (bug 1785993)
[07:33] <duflu> A debdiff is going to be large, and confused by the rebase on the debian changelog
[07:33] <seb128> orig/dsc/diff.gz is good
[07:34] <duflu> seb128, it will be too big to reasonably review, does that matter?
[07:35] <oSoMoN> yeah, very good week-end with the family and I even managed to get some rest :)
[07:40] <duflu> Ah, doesn't matter. It cost me little time to provide all the files for all options
[07:42] <seb128> duflu, depending of the changes but it's probably fine to follow debian or upstream without fully reviewing the diffs
[07:42] <seb128> duflu, if you provide the .dsc/diff then the sponsor can debdiff if interested
[07:57] <willcooke> morning
[08:01] <Laney> yo
[08:02] <duflu> Hullo willcooke, Laney
[08:03] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke, Laney
[08:05] <willcooke> Good weekend everyone?
[08:06] <duflu> Yeah, you willcooke?
[08:06] <willcooke> Spent all weekend painting the new plaster in the hall, stairs and landing
[08:07] <duflu> Fun fun
[08:07] <willcooke> Still needs another base coat before I can start on the actual colour
[08:07] <willcooke> trying to make the bare plaster match the old painted walls first
[08:07] <willcooke> nearly there now
[08:07] <willcooke> but year, tired
[08:08] <duflu> On the upside, part of the house probably smells new (painty)
[08:08] <willcooke> ha, well, interesting story there, to me at least.  I love the smell of fresh paint, but all the new stuff (I guess in the last couple of years) doesn't really smell at all anymore
[08:08] <willcooke> Thanks Europe
[08:19] <seb128> hey willcooke, Laney, how are you?
[08:19] <seb128> had a nice w.e?
[08:21] <Laney> hey duflu oSoMoN willcooke seb128
[08:21] <Laney> yes, quite nice, played games with friends on saturday and my family came to visit on sunday
[08:21] <Laney> went to a cafe and then to the park :3
[08:21] <Laney> you?
[08:24] <seb128> nice
[08:26] <seb128> we went shopping and got some new flowers to put on the balcony on saturday and had dinner with friends/played games, sunday was more relaxing/doing nothing, weather was nice so we walked around a bit in the afternoon and went to the playgroud
[08:27] <Nafallo> morning
[08:28] <Laney> flowers |o|
[08:28] <Laney> hey Nafallo
[08:28] <Laney> been a while (or I've ignored you for a while)
[08:29] <Nafallo> been a while. 7 weeks vacation :-)
[08:29] <Nafallo> first day back at work now.
[08:29] <duflu> Wow. Doing vacation properly. Morning Nafallo
[08:30] <Nafallo> I changed consultancy company during the vacation, so needed to have stuff approved so the old one couldn't find me a new assignment ;-)
[08:31] <Laney> go away somewhere?
[08:31] <Nafallo> for a bit I had all of June, but ended up with just the last week :-)
[08:31] <Nafallo> well, not really. Sweden had a lot of high temperatures :-)
[08:32] <Nafallo> it's like 20° colder today :-P
[08:34] <Nafallo> very much "summer is over! go back to work!"
[08:37] <Nafallo> meh. I've forgotten to get the music back on my computer...
[08:37] <Nafallo> how annoying.
[09:10] <Trevinho> Morning guys
[09:17] <willcooke> hi Trevinho
[09:18] <duflu> Hi Trevinho
[09:19] <Trevinho> Hi willcooke and duflu
[09:22] <Laney> hey Trevinho
[09:22] <Laney> wb!
[09:24] <Trevinho> Laney: hi, thanks!
[09:25] <seb128> hey Trevinho, had a good week off?
[09:27] <Trevinho> seb128: hey yes... as always very intense. Not really relaxing in terms of movement :-D
[09:27] <Trevinho> and the fact that it finished with the beginning weekend of the Feria de Málaga didn't help :-P
[09:28] <seb128> haha
[09:28] <seb128> well if you have fun then it's all good :)
[10:08] <andyrock> seb128: should we enable goa page in g-i-s in unity too?
[11:25] <seb128> andyrock, I guess? they use goa as well now iirc...
[11:29] <seb128> bah, it's sad that the main focus of the SRU team nowadays seems to nitpick on version numbers :/
[11:30]  * seb128 reuploads another nautilus SRU after the previous one which has a totally acceptable version number got rejected
[11:42] <oSoMoN> jibel, hasn't the upgrade path 16.04 -> 18.04.1 been enabled yet?
[11:52] <willcooke> oSoMoN, likely today
[11:52] <willcooke> oSoMoN, they fixed the last bugs on Thursday, and didnt want to turn it on on a Friday
[11:53] <tomreyn> hi there. it was suggested in #ubuntu-devel that i should ask / point out here that it'd be great to have a note on changed log file locations on bionic as per bug 1786701
[11:56] <seb128> tomreyn, unsure that's not too technical for those, the notes should be something readable/understandable by "normal" users
[11:59] <jibel> oSoMoN, not yet
[11:59] <jibel> oSoMoN, there is still a major bug to fix/verify
[12:00] <jibel> oSoMoN, for reference bug 1766890
[12:01] <tomreyn> seb128: maybe i'm not a normal user, but it took me, and several others (in #ubuntu) who occasionally look at log files, quite some time that to find out that and where logs moved to.
[12:01] <tomreyn> (and it's something i would have appreciated to have read on the changelog.)
[12:01] <tomreyn> *release notes
[12:03] <seb128> tomreyn, logs are a debugging tool, and we have a log viewer application installed by default which should remove the need to know the exact location
[12:05] <seb128> tomreyn, but yeah, I understand that "hacking/debugging tips" can be useful, unsure if the release note are the right place for that though
[12:07] <tomreyn> have you tried to use 'Logs'? :)
[12:08] <seb128> that's not an useful comment
[12:08] <tomreyn> i can understand the rationale, though.
[12:08] <seb128> I guess you have issues with it, what about reporting them?
[12:08] <seb128> I pushed back on it at first, but the UI got better
[12:09] <seb128> it's still not making as much content available on screen and not as easy to read that gnome-log-viewer though
[12:09] <seb128> but that's something we need to fix if we believe it still has problems
[12:09] <seb128> anyway, yes helping sysadmins&co to know where to poke is good
[12:10] <seb128> the release notes are not that though :)
[12:10] <tomreyn> okay, thanks for your POV
[12:10] <seb128> or we could have a subsection/link to another document with more technical details
[12:10] <seb128> willcooke, ^ wdyt?
[12:10]  * tomreyn would appreciate such
[12:13] <Laney> who is going to write that thing and what qualifies to go in there?
[12:14] <seb128> who is writing the current notes?
[12:15] <Laney> nobody until someone thinks argh we need to write notes and it's done in a rush
[12:15] <Laney> or sometimes people look at the release notes project and write them
[12:15] <Laney> but those bugs usually end up in a messy state
[12:16] <seb128> k, well I guess if we had a section "technical details" on the page it would be under the same rules
[12:17] <seb128> it would probably end up being one bullet point "xorg logs move to <ne< location>"
[12:17] <seb128> but yeah, that's probably not something we are going to commit to
[12:18] <andyrock> seb128: is there already a lp regarding goa an gis?
[12:27] <willcooke> seb128, seems like a pretty easy addition to me.  I dont think there's really a problem adding it.  I can do that now
[12:28] <willcooke> oh, to be clear, I dont think we need another doc/wiki page - because no one will update it and it will just become incorrect very quickly
[12:29] <willcooke> a bullet on the release notes so that people searching /might/ find it, seems fine to me
[12:29] <willcooke> This sort of thing could go in to the "What's in 18.04" blog post kinda things
[12:37] <seb128> andyrock, bug #1762192
[12:42] <andyrock> seb128: I've a branch almost ready with the following:
[12:42] <andyrock> - update to 3.29.1
[12:42] <andyrock> - sync the distro patches
[12:43] <andyrock> - enable the goa page
[12:43] <andyrock> doing this without updating to 3.29.1 required more work
[12:43] <andyrock> because our upstream is already half synced with 3.29.1
[12:44] <seb128> k, best to update then
[12:44] <seb128> we want to go on the new version anyway
[12:44] <andyrock> kk I'm setting up a vm to test it and then I'll propose
[13:17] <kenvandine> jamesh, pulseaudio sponsored to cosmic
[13:34] <seb128> kenvandine, jamesh, there is a packaging vcs but I don't see changes there, don't forget to push or duflu is going to get annoyed :)
[13:35] <kenvandine> jamesh was waiting for me to upload it before pushing
[13:35] <kenvandine> i don't think i can push it
[13:36] <seb128> kenvandine, you should be able, ubuntu-core-dev is member of ubuntu-audio-dev
[13:37] <kenvandine> oh... then i will just do it :)
[13:37] <seb128> thx
[13:37] <seb128> kenvandine, jamesh, did those patch got code review/where?
[13:37] <kenvandine> on LP
[13:38] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/pulseaudio/+git/pulseaudio/+merge/352558
[13:38] <kenvandine> it was left with a needs fixing
[13:38] <kenvandine> but that was fixed and i saw them talking about merging it on irc last night
[13:39] <kenvandine> oh... hmm, that MR doesn't show the changelog update from james
[13:39] <kenvandine> i'll make sure what gets pushed matches what i uploaded
[13:39] <seb128> thx
[13:39] <seb128> also it would be good to have proper tag headers, and maybe that work can be forwarded upstream?
[13:43] <seb128> kenvandine, jamesh, I'm a bit concerned that we lightly take on adding bigger ubuntu delta which is going to make updating more difficult in the futur
[13:43] <kenvandine> seb128, this isn't going upstream and we don't plan to support this forever
[13:43] <seb128> until when?
[13:44] <kenvandine> until we can sort out how to appropriately do it upstream
[13:44] <seb128> that's the sort of info that should be written in the changelog and/or patches so people maintaining the package know the deal :)
[13:44] <kenvandine> we needed a quick fix to limit the exposure
[13:44] <kenvandine> yeah... i guess it should have had a comment to that effect
[13:44] <seb128> yeah, it's fine, still would be good to better document for those who need to update that package next
[13:45] <seb128> unless you/james plan to handle pulseaudio updates from now on?
[13:45] <kenvandine> it'll take a while for a proper implementation that can go upstream
[13:45] <kenvandine> i can do another upload today with more comments
[13:45] <kenvandine> in the patch header
[13:45] <seb128> just commit to the vcs
[13:45] <kenvandine> sure
[13:45] <seb128> thx
[13:46] <kenvandine> fedora had a patch that sort of handled this case, that we could have used but they reverted it
[13:46] <seb128> yeah, I saw, because it was hard to rebase on the new version
[13:46] <kenvandine> basically flatpak needs something like this as well
[13:46] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:46] <seb128> I hope we don't end up having to do the same :p
[13:46] <kenvandine> so long term we need to help solve the problem
[13:46] <seb128> I doubt they will
[13:47] <kenvandine> but we decided back in montreal that we had to do this for now to limit the exposure
[13:47] <seb128> I think they plan is to use pipewire
[13:47] <seb128> their*
[13:47] <kenvandine> if so then we will too
[13:47] <seb128> right
[13:47] <seb128> well, it's not there  yet
[13:47] <kenvandine> exactly :)
[13:47] <seb128> but that's one of the reason they are pushing for pipewire
[13:48] <ogra> is didrocks on vac this week ?
[13:48] <seb128> it's their solution for sandoxing
[13:48] <seb128> ogra, yes, and next
[13:48] <seb128> ogra, why?
[13:48] <ogra> seb128, i'm working on digital signage atm and heard he had some demo snaps ...
[13:48] <ogra> just wanted to chat with him about them .... but its fine to do that once he's back
[13:49] <seb128> ogra, k, I don't think others can help you with that, sorry, you need to wait for him to be back
[13:49] <ogra> yeah, no worries
[13:53] <kenvandine> seb128, at least we finally dropped the old trust store patches :)
[13:53] <seb128> \o/
[13:54] <seb128> kenvandine, it's a bit confusing to see a mp that was needsfixing being merged btw, would be nice if someone could comment on why it was merged anyway?
[13:55] <seb128> it seems the upload does address the comment, it's just that the change was not pushed to the branch?
[13:55] <kenvandine> seb128, already done
[13:55] <kenvandine> i had just commented on the MR :)
[13:56] <seb128> ah, good, thx!
[14:15] <kenvandine> seb128, i pushed the patch tags to vcs so it doesn't get lost
[14:44] <seb128> kenvandine, good
[15:03] <Trevinho> seb128: as for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1782681 comment means you can just reupload it?
[16:08] <ahayzen> kenvandine, FWIW to confirm for basically all Audio/Video (and IIRC desktop-screen-sharing ?) flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal is looking towards pipewire to solve the sandboxing issues :-)
[16:10] <kenvandine> ahayzen, yeah, that's what we're thinking
[16:10] <kenvandine> but not ready yet
[16:10] <kenvandine> we'll participate in that
[16:12] <ahayzen> kenvandine, great!  yeah it's not yet ready, but looks promising, will hopefully solve the issues for snap as well :-)
[16:34] <andyrock> seb128: still here? should we add "Ubuntu Single Sign-on" in the online accounts page?
[16:35] <andyrock> seb128: upstream shows Google, Nextcloud, Microsoft and Facebook
[16:35] <andyrock> we can easily distropatch to show whatever we want
[16:38] <jbicha> andyrock: btw https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-initial-setup/merge_requests/13
[16:40] <andyrock> jbicha: nice thx! I can distro patch this too
[17:03] <willcooke> g'night all see you tomorrow
[17:09] <seb128> andyrock, that would make sense, wdy?
[17:09] <seb128> Trevinho, yeah, I'm going to reupload it
[17:10] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks (sil2100 ^)
[17:11] <seb128> Trevinho, and yeah it's annoying that the SRU team likes to be so picky on version numbers which don't really matter to the SRU/content of the upload...
[17:13] <andyrock> seb128: I think it makes sense to show it
[17:13] <andyrock> how can I keep dep3 info with gbp?
[17:13] <andyrock> looks like export is removing them
[17:16] <jbicha> andyrock: what are you trying to do exactly? you can use dep3 stuff in the git commit message like is done at https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mozjs52/blob/debian/master/debian/patches/tests-snans-be.patch
[17:18] <jbicha> https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/blob/debian/master/debian/patches/debian/synaptics-support.patch
[17:18] <andyrock> jbicha: I want to keep the "Forwared" and "Bug" metadata
[17:18] <andyrock> ah kk
[17:18] <andyrock> thx