[02:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:06] <tomreyn> buongiorno
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> come stai sir tomreyn
[03:07] <tomreyn> awesomish
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> !certification
[06:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[06:17] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje , how are you doing?
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> all fine here lordievader tnx and you?
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> raining here now
[06:20] <ducasse> good morning
[06:22] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Doing good here. It was raining a little bit here, but I think it has stopped already.
[06:22] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:23] <ducasse> morning lordievader - all well?
[06:23] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you?
[06:24] <ducasse> all good, thanks - glad the heat seems to be over and gone
[06:28] <lordievader> Same here, this is a much better temperature.
[06:33] <ducasse> yup, this i can deal with, over 30 i can't.
[11:50] <tomreyn> hi there. it was suggested in #ubuntu-devel that i should ask / point out here that it'd be great to have a note on changed log file locations on bionic as per bug 1786701
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: this is a wishlist?
[11:53] <tomreyn> oh crap i'm still sleepy, meant to post this to #ubuntu-desktop :)
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> ah :p
[11:53] <tomreyn> i consider it a bug really.
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> kk
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> want me to affect tomreyn ? as this concerns everybody?
[11:54] <tomreyn> i dont want you to affect me, if that's the question :)
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> i mean affect the bug :p
[11:55] <blackflow> afaik that only happens if something something kms driver, so xorg is running unprivileged. in my case, nvidia proprietary, xorg is still run as root, so the logs go /var
[11:55] <tomreyn> if you also consider it a bug please do add 'also affects me'
[11:56] <blackflow> I don't tho. This has been true (for xorg logs) for quite some time, not specific for bionic
[11:56] <tomreyn> blackflow: and while nvidia is still widely used, from a technical / Ubuntu POV it uses a legacy approach and is pretty much the only thing which does now.
[11:57] <tomreyn> blackflow: right, it's lbeen like this in earlier release. but an lts changelog should also consider lts to lts upgraders and opint out news for them.
[11:57] <blackflow> legacy, you mean /var ?
[11:57] <tomreyn> (it already does in several places)
[11:58] <blackflow> but I think this was the case even on 16.04
[11:58] <blackflow> run nouveau and logs go to ~/.local
[11:58] <tomreyn> no, not on 16.04
[11:58] <blackflow> run proprietary, xorg is root, logs to /var
[11:58] <tomreyn> right
[12:00] <blackflow> well, I could be wrong about xenial then
[12:04] <tomreyn> hmm, and maybe i am, i do have ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.1.log (but not *.0.*) on this 16.04.5
[12:05] <tomreyn> running amdgpu
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: found redhat similar bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1582839
[17:56] <leftyfb> that's just a warning though.
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: wich kernel are you running atm?
[17:59] <leftyfb> 4.15.0-30-generic
[17:59] <leftyfb> it's the HWE kernel
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1615774
[18:00] <leftyfb> I've seen all these bugs
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: #8 has solved it?
[18:02] <leftyfb> well, since that link is not valid, no
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: have you tryed a tail on syslog, disable & enable wifi again, lets have a look what it all spits out?
[18:03] <leftyfb> I'll try it in a bit. I'm going to swap out the chipset from an Intel to an Atheros
[18:12] <daftykins> very disappointing if intel continue to be a terrible choice even now
[18:16] <leftyfb> oh, those 7260's are garbage
[18:16] <daftykins> bet they work fine with Windows (:
[18:17] <daftykins> 2:2 stream dual band -ac is plenty
[18:22]  * leftyfb sigh
[18:22] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dKw2j93zkX/
[18:22] <leftyfb> I hate wireless so much my teeth hurt
[18:23] <leftyfb> that's all there is for wireless lines in syslog
[18:25] <daftykins> blows my mind that over 10 years later and wifi is still a challenge to desktop Linux
[18:25] <leftyfb> it's got very little to do with linux. Wireless is garbage on Windows as well
[18:26] <daftykins> firmware load failed, hmm
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> we hear users fixxing alot of realtek & atheros issues on git leftyfb with latest firmwares
[18:26] <daftykins> no it's really not actually :)
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: yeah you are right about this, this fighting with this realtek bug on xenial for a customer
[18:26] <daftykins> ah yeah
[18:26] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: That error I posted above is with the linux-firmware backported from bionic
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: the realtek worked on default for xenial, then few updates later borked
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: thats something that should not be happening anymore
[18:28] <daftykins> nothing worse than regressions
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> tj- also said it, devs should concetrate on a stable base
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> not the latest bling
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: past has showed us realtek & atheros mostly bug on different kernel, or firmware version
[18:37] <leftyfb> yeah, I'm going in a different direction. Don't have time to mess with junk chipsets
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> evening pragmaticenigma
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> is it out yet? XD
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> nop :p
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> we can play a trivia here pragmaticenigma tomreyn owning the channel again :p
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> ??
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> j/k
[18:56] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i'm only working with Hamilton currently, there's others who need cookies, too
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: I asked about the LTS upgrade ... because this showed up in my updates today: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PMw5DxKD8q/
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> lets c pragmaticenigma
[18:57] <tomreyn> New release '18.04.1 LTS' available.
[18:57] <tomreyn> omg omg omg
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> aha
[18:57] <pragmaticenigma> !dance
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> did you get the window pragmaticenigma
[18:58] <tomreyn> Prompt=normal
[18:58] <tomreyn> ^ hehe i tricked you
[18:58] <pragmaticenigma> no, I'm already on 18.04.1 ... haha
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> you wont laugh when 2000 users come nagging here lol
[18:58] <tomreyn> they wont come to -discuss
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> ah thats how you gonna play it
[18:59] <tomreyn> i'll be on holidays as soon as LTS upgrade is enabled ;)
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> unless someone tells them of our secret club house (gives lotuspsychje *the look*)
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> haha
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> even the bots stay out the hardcore nest pragmaticenigma
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> Oh, ubottu doesn't dance apparently... we should fix that
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> there's bots in here?
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> hmm havent seen them this evening
[19:17] <pauljw> hi everyone
[20:53] <Bashing-om> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue540 is on the streets :)
[20:57] <daftykins> \o/
[20:59] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Oh What a relief it is !
[21:00] <daftykins> that's good work right there :)
[21:06] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Halp ! .. It is a real chore to get this done . Need people with writing skills to make up article summaries real real bad .
[21:24] <daftykins> ah i'd love to lend a hand but my paid work has been quite active of late, once i get home i'm worn out!
[21:39] <Bashing-om> daftykins: We do get that a lot .. just not enough time on a 24 hour day :P
[21:41] <daftykins> too true
[21:45] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I get real frazed out getting UWN together as I too have a life to deal with that is not on this keyboard .