[02:59] good morning to all [03:06] buongiorno [03:07] come stai sir tomreyn [03:07] awesomish [03:14] !certification [06:14] Good morning [06:17] morning lordievader [06:17] Hey lotuspsychje , how are you doing? [06:17] all fine here lordievader tnx and you? [06:17] raining here now [06:20] good morning [06:22] lotuspsychje: Doing good here. It was raining a little bit here, but I think it has stopped already. [06:22] Hey ducasse [06:23] morning lordievader - all well? [06:23] Doing good here, how are you? [06:24] all good, thanks - glad the heat seems to be over and gone [06:28] Same here, this is a much better temperature. [06:33] yup, this i can deal with, over 30 i can't. [11:50] hi there. it was suggested in #ubuntu-devel that i should ask / point out here that it'd be great to have a note on changed log file locations on bionic as per bug 1786701 [11:50] bug 1786701 in Release Notes for Ubuntu "Changed log locations for graphical services" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1786701 [11:52] tomreyn: this is a wishlist? [11:53] oh crap i'm still sleepy, meant to post this to #ubuntu-desktop :) [11:53] ah :p [11:53] i consider it a bug really. [11:53] kk [11:54] want me to affect tomreyn ? as this concerns everybody? [11:54] i dont want you to affect me, if that's the question :) [11:54] lol [11:54] i mean affect the bug :p [11:55] afaik that only happens if something something kms driver, so xorg is running unprivileged. in my case, nvidia proprietary, xorg is still run as root, so the logs go /var [11:55] if you also consider it a bug please do add 'also affects me' [11:56] I don't tho. This has been true (for xorg logs) for quite some time, not specific for bionic [11:56] blackflow: and while nvidia is still widely used, from a technical / Ubuntu POV it uses a legacy approach and is pretty much the only thing which does now. [11:57] blackflow: right, it's lbeen like this in earlier release. but an lts changelog should also consider lts to lts upgraders and opint out news for them. [11:57] legacy, you mean /var ? [11:57] (it already does in several places) [11:58] but I think this was the case even on 16.04 [11:58] run nouveau and logs go to ~/.local [11:58] no, not on 16.04 [11:58] run proprietary, xorg is root, logs to /var [11:58] right [12:00] well, I could be wrong about xenial then [12:04] hmm, and maybe i am, i do have ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.1.log (but not *.0.*) on this 16.04.5 [12:05] running amdgpu === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [17:54] leftyfb: found redhat similar bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1582839 [17:54] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1582839 in hostapd "netlink: 'hostapd': attribute type 213 has an invalid length" [Unspecified,Closed: errata] [17:56] that's just a warning though. [17:57] leftyfb: wich kernel are you running atm? [17:59] 4.15.0-30-generic [17:59] it's the HWE kernel [17:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1615774 [17:59] Ubuntu bug 1615774 in linux (Ubuntu) "iwlwifi queue stuck, Microcode SW error detected, "ieee80211 phy0: Hardware restart was requested" [Medium,Expired] [18:00] I've seen all these bugs [18:01] leftyfb: #8 has solved it? [18:02] well, since that link is not valid, no [18:03] leftyfb: have you tryed a tail on syslog, disable & enable wifi again, lets have a look what it all spits out? [18:03] I'll try it in a bit. I'm going to swap out the chipset from an Intel to an Atheros [18:12] very disappointing if intel continue to be a terrible choice even now [18:16] oh, those 7260's are garbage [18:16] bet they work fine with Windows (: [18:17] 2:2 stream dual band -ac is plenty [18:22] * leftyfb sigh [18:22] https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dKw2j93zkX/ [18:22] I hate wireless so much my teeth hurt [18:23] that's all there is for wireless lines in syslog [18:25] blows my mind that over 10 years later and wifi is still a challenge to desktop Linux [18:25] it's got very little to do with linux. Wireless is garbage on Windows as well [18:26] firmware load failed, hmm [18:26] we hear users fixxing alot of realtek & atheros issues on git leftyfb with latest firmwares [18:26] no it's really not actually :) [18:26] daftykins: yeah you are right about this, this fighting with this realtek bug on xenial for a customer [18:26] ah yeah [18:26] lotuspsychje: That error I posted above is with the linux-firmware backported from bionic [18:27] daftykins: the realtek worked on default for xenial, then few updates later borked [18:28] daftykins: thats something that should not be happening anymore [18:28] nothing worse than regressions [18:28] tj- also said it, devs should concetrate on a stable base [18:29] not the latest bling [18:37] leftyfb: past has showed us realtek & atheros mostly bug on different kernel, or firmware version [18:37] yeah, I'm going in a different direction. Don't have time to mess with junk chipsets [18:37] :p [18:53] evening pragmaticenigma [18:53] is it out yet? XD [18:53] nop :p [18:55] we can play a trivia here pragmaticenigma tomreyn owning the channel again :p [18:56] ?? [18:56] j/k [18:56] lotuspsychje: i'm only working with Hamilton currently, there's others who need cookies, too [18:56] lotuspsychje: I asked about the LTS upgrade ... because this showed up in my updates today: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PMw5DxKD8q/ [18:56] lets c pragmaticenigma [18:57] New release '18.04.1 LTS' available. [18:57] omg omg omg [18:57] aha [18:57] !dance [18:57] did you get the window pragmaticenigma [18:58] Prompt=normal [18:58] ^ hehe i tricked you [18:58] no, I'm already on 18.04.1 ... haha [18:58] lol [18:58] you wont laugh when 2000 users come nagging here lol [18:58] they wont come to -discuss [18:59] lol [18:59] ah thats how you gonna play it [18:59] i'll be on holidays as soon as LTS upgrade is enabled ;) [18:59] unless someone tells them of our secret club house (gives lotuspsychje *the look*) [18:59] haha [19:00] even the bots stay out the hardcore nest pragmaticenigma [19:00] Oh, ubottu doesn't dance apparently... we should fix that [19:01] there's bots in here? [19:01] :p [19:01] hmm havent seen them this evening [19:17] hi everyone === tomreyn_ is now known as tomreyn [20:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue540 is on the streets :) [20:57] \o/ [20:59] daftykins: Oh What a relief it is ! [21:00] that's good work right there :) [21:06] daftykins: Halp ! .. It is a real chore to get this done . Need people with writing skills to make up article summaries real real bad . [21:24] ah i'd love to lend a hand but my paid work has been quite active of late, once i get home i'm worn out! [21:39] daftykins: We do get that a lot .. just not enough time on a 24 hour day :P [21:41] too true [21:45] daftykins: I get real frazed out getting UWN together as I too have a life to deal with that is not on this keyboard .