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ratliff\o/16:30
ratliff#startmeeting16:30
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Aug 13 16:30:28 2018 UTC.  The chair is ratliff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.16:30
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick16:30
* sbeattie waves hello16:30
ratliffThe meeting agenda can be found at:16:30
ratliff[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting16:30
ratliff[TOPIC] Announcements16:31
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ratliffThere are no new announcements today.16:31
ratliff[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report16:31
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report
ratliffjdstrand: you're up16:31
jdstrandhey16:32
jdstrandThis week:16:33
jdstrand- continue ESM alignment16:33
jdstrand- various snapd policy updates for 2.3516:33
jdstrand- brand store snap declarations16:33
jdstrand- anbox-support16:33
jdstrand- kubernetes-support interfaces16:33
jdstrand- various snapd PR reviews16:33
jdstrand- two embargoed items16:33
jdstrandthat's it from me16:33
ratliffsbeattie: your turn16:33
sbeattieI'm on community this week16:33
sbeattieI have two embargoed issues I'm involved in16:34
sbeattieI'm also working on a bind9 update16:34
sbeattieI have some apparmor stuff on my back burner16:35
sbeattieand that' probably the major points for me this week.16:35
sbeattiejjohansen: over to you16:35
jjohansenI need to finish getting together the 4.19 apparmor pull request.16:35
jjohansenI have more work to do going through dhowell's mount rework patchset, so we can come up with a reasonable plan for how apparmor is going to deal with the changes.16:35
jjohansenI need to try and get an apparmor 3 alpha this week16:35
jjohansenI really need to spend some time on mjg's secmark patch for apparmor16:35
jjohansenthats it for me sarnold you are up16:36
sarnoldI'm on bug triage this week; I'll be working down the MIRs, and doing any patch reviews for jjohansen as he asks for them16:36
sarnoldthat's it for me, .. is chrisccoulson back?16:36
chrisccoulsonI'm just finishing off a GDM update16:36
chrisccoulsonthen I've got a rust / cargo update to do16:37
chrisccoulsonthere was a firefox update last week. I might do that too16:37
chrisccoulsonthat will probably be it for my week16:37
ratliffthanks, chrisccoulson16:37
ratliffthis is my last week at Canonical, so I'm primarily focused on finishing up my internal work. I have loved being a member of the Ubuntu Security Team.16:38
ratliffebarretto: leosilva is next, will you give his status, please?16:39
ebarrettosure16:39
ebarrettoleosilva is in the happy place this week:16:39
ebarretto- finishing libarchive USN16:39
ebarretto- working in libxml2 update16:39
ebarretto- waiting for testers for wpa pkg - please feel free to test it. it's in proposed16:39
ebarretto- other than that leo is hunting pkg to update16:39
ebarrettomsalvatore, your turn16:39
msalvatoreI'm on CVE Triage this week.16:39
msalvatoreI'm currently working on some Node.js fixes that I hope to publish this afternoon.16:39
msalvatoreI'm planning to work on some redis fixes this week.16:40
msalvatoreIn addition, I'll be working on some documentation for ESM alignment.16:40
msalvatoreThat's it for me.16:40
msalvatoreI think it's back to you, ebarretto.16:40
ebarrettoI'm in the happy place this week:16:40
ebarretto- ESM alignment16:40
ebarretto- I've two package updates to be released today16:40
ebarretto- I'm doing some internal tools changes16:40
ebarretto- I've also done some CVE re-triage last week and will continue to do this week16:40
ebarrettoratliff, back to you16:41
ratliffthanks!16:41
ratliff[TOPIC] Highlighted packages16:41
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ratliffThe Ubuntu Security team suggests that contributors look into merging Debian security updates in community-supported packages. If you would like to help Ubuntu but are not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.16:41
ratliffSee http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/ for available merges and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details on preparing Ubuntu security updates. If you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-hardened. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.16:41
ratliff[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions16:41
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ratliffDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?16:41
ratliffjdstrand, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, chrisccoulson, msalvatore, ebarretto: Thanks!16:43
jdstrandratliff: thank you for everything you've done for the team and for the millions of Ubuntu users out there by leading the team :)16:43
ratliff#endmeeting16:43
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | <wxl> be nice
meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Aug 13 16:43:16 2018 UTC.16:43
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-08-13-16.30.moin.txt16:43
msalvatorethanks, ratliff16:43
jjohansenthanks ratliff16:43
chrisccoulsonthank you, ratliff :)16:43
ebarrettothanks ratliff! it's been a pleasure working with you this few weeks! good luck on your next steps!16:45
sbeattieratliff: thanks for everything, you'll be missed!16:45
sarnoldthanks ratliff! it's been wonderful working with you :)16:46
* ratliff hugs the security team16:47
sarnold<3 *hugs*16:47
slashdo/18:57
tsimonq2Hey hey :)18:58
sarnoldtsimonq2: woot! :D19:00
slashdI'll try to chair the meeting today for the first time.19:01
tsimonq2...if there's quorum. :P19:02
rbasako/19:02
rbasakIndividual applications on the agenda are supposed to have dates.19:03
rbasakDunno if we should be giving core dev to applicants who can't follow instructions :-P19:03
slashd;p19:03
tsimonq2Waat. :P19:03
tsimonq2It was over a week ago. :P19:04
slashdUnit193 doesn't seems to in the channel19:04
slashdshall we start the meeting or wait a little bit rbasak ?19:04
rbasaktsimonq2: well that's one of the five bullet points :-P19:04
rbasakslashd: sure. No point in starting unless we have quorum.19:04
rbasakWell, maybe we could, and finish it by email, if we wanted.19:05
rbasakI prefer to avoid that though, and I believe so do others.19:05
slashdLet's wait a couple more minutes19:05
tsimonq2rbasak: I just went directly to the DMB agenda and added my name... I don't remember seeing instructions :P19:05
* tsimonq2 looks19:05
sil2100o/19:06
sil2100I'm here as well19:06
tsimonq2Hey hey sil2100 :)19:06
tsimonq2https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess <-- ah.19:06
slashdone DMB left for the quorum19:06
slashdcyphermox ??19:07
rbasakI think we might need one additional for tsimonq2, depending on whether he intends to vote on his own application.19:07
rbasakOh, sil2100 arrived. o/19:07
tsimonq2rbasak: I dunno, can I? XD19:08
tsimonq2hahahaha19:08
cyphermoxI'm there19:08
tsimonq2\o/19:08
slashdok we are good19:08
cyphermoxjust waiting for something to happen19:08
slashd#startmeeting19:08
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Aug 13 19:08:56 2018 UTC.  The chair is slashd. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.19:08
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick19:08
slashd#topic Review of previous action items19:09
slashd*rbasak to handle setting up PPU for blackboxsw19:09
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slashd*rbasak to handle setting up PPU for blackboxsw, everything good with that ?19:09
rbasakDone19:11
slashd#subtopic Unit193 MOTU application19:11
slashd#topic Unit193 MOTU application19:11
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Unit193 MOTU application
slashdThere is no date on the application, and AFAIK Unit193 doesn't seems to be in the channel as we speak.19:11
slashdI guess we can go straight to tsimonq219:11
acheronukDalekSec = Unit193 AFAIK19:12
DalekSecslashd: Kind of am.19:12
* acheronuk shuts up19:12
slashdok my apologize19:12
slashdUnit193, can you introduce yourself19:12
Unit193slashd: Hah, nah that's fine.19:13
tsimonq2¯\_(ツ)_/¯19:14
Unit193Hi, I'm Unit 193, I'm an Xubuntu developer (hence the Xubuntu packageset) but I also have an interest in areas outside of Xubuntu, though tend to stick to the fringe packages.  I'm currently a DM and going through the DD process.19:14
slashdany questions for Unit193 ?19:16
* rbasak catches up19:18
sil2100https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unit193/MOTU <- application19:19
rbasakSorry, I hadn't reviewed applications in advance because I didn't know what we'd be handling when19:19
slashdtake your time19:19
rbasaktsimonq2 says he's on the wrong side of a netsplit?19:20
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rbasakUnit193: can you remember a time you were surprised by a sponsor's review feedback?19:21
Unit193rbasak: In a positive or negative way?  I'm presuming restricted to Ubuntu, let me take a look at sponsorships to remind me.19:24
rbasakUnit193: either - any way that caused you to have to change your upload19:26
Unit193There's been a time or two when I was slightly surprised that a merge was accepted.19:26
Unit193Ah.19:26
tsimonq2Unit193: When you say you were surprised to see a merge accepted, did you ask for sponsorship knowing it was a bad merge?19:28
Unit193I poked at assaultcube a few times in early 2017, it had some weird interactions on odd arches.19:28
sil2100Unit193: once you're done with this question - what changes are allowed to be uploaded to the development series after User Interface Freeze? Which not?19:28
Unit193tsimonq2: No, it wasn't "bad", just when I wouldn't have thought Ubuntu would jump ahead of Debian or diverge.19:29
tsimonq2Unit193: Ah.19:29
Unit193sil2100: Well, as the name would imply, things that change strings/the look are generally not accceptable, though bugfixes would still be.19:30
tsimonq2Unit193: So when you're done with sil2100's question, when is it appropriate to diverge from Debian?19:30
Unit193UI freeze is after FF, so that also of course is implied.19:30
sil2100Unit193: what if a bugfix would involve changing a visible string in the application? What about that?19:31
sil2100Can someone still do something to get such a bugfix in?19:31
Unit193sil2100: One can get approval from the release team, this would *mainly* apply to things installed by default.19:33
cyphermoxargh. sorry, what did I miss?19:33
slashdcyphermox, do you need to backlog discussion ?19:34
sil2100Unit193: does anyone else need to know about the incoming change, if approved by the release team?19:34
slashdthe backlog ^19:34
cyphermoxslashd: I'll pull logs19:34
slashdcyphermox, ok otherwise I can send it to you in private19:34
Unit193sil2100: Any docs or translation teams, though the latter doesn't usually apply often to universe.19:34
sil2100Unit193: thanks o/19:35
rbasakUnit193: did you answer my question above please? I was hoping for a specific example.19:36
Unit193(Those translations tend to come from upstream exclusivly, so might well be part of whatever string fix you're trying to get approval for.)19:36
Unit193rbasak: The only example I could think of off the top of my head was assaultcube.19:36
Unit193A second upload was done to fix ppc64el.19:37
rbasakOh, I see, thanks19:38
slashdUnit193, Are you familliar with proposed-migration update_output.txt ? and in which situation it might be useful to have a look ?19:40
Unit193slashd: Yes, and figuring out what's blocking something from exiting proposed.19:42
Unit193If you do an upload at a bad time and hit a perl migration, or a failing apport autopkgtest.19:43
slashdthanks19:43
slashdAny other question guys ?19:43
slashdcyphermox ?19:43
tsimonq2None here.19:44
* sil2100 is good19:44
slashdok let's move on with the vote then19:45
slashd#vote Please vote on: Unit193 MOTU application19:45
meetingologyPlease vote on: Please vote on: Unit193 MOTU application19:45
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)19:45
tsimonq2+1 keep up the good work!19:45
meetingology+1 keep up the good work! received from tsimonq219:45
rbasak+119:46
meetingology+1 received from rbasak19:46
slashd+119:46
meetingology+1 received from slashd19:46
sil2100+119:46
meetingology+1 received from sil210019:46
tsimonq2cyphermox?19:47
tsimonq2(I think that's quorum, but still.)19:47
tsimonq2Bueller? :)19:48
Unit193Dang, forgot to do PPU for irssi.  Oh well.19:48
tsimonq2slashd: I don't know if cyphermox wants to vote but that's quorum.19:49
slashd#endvote19:49
meetingologyVoting ended on: Please vote on: Unit193 MOTU application19:49
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:019:49
meetingologyMotion carried19:49
rbasakI'm also +1 to give you PPU for irssi if others are willing to vote for that now.19:49
tsimonq2^19:49
sil2100We could19:50
slashdrbasak, should I open another vote ?19:50
Unit193slashd: Should likely explain first?19:50
rbasakslashd: if the chair so pleases :-P19:50
rbasak(IOW, if that's what we want to do, then sure)19:51
slashdI'm okay with it19:51
slashd#vote Please vote on: Unit193 PPU right for irssi19:51
meetingologyPlease vote on: Please vote on: Unit193 PPU right for irssi19:51
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)19:51
tsimonq2+119:51
meetingology+1 received from tsimonq219:51
rbasak+119:51
meetingology+1 received from rbasak19:51
slashd+119:51
meetingology+1 received from slashd19:51
sil2100+119:52
meetingology+1 received from sil210019:52
tsimonq2Quorum. \o/19:52
cyphermox+119:52
meetingology+1 received from cyphermox19:52
slashd#endvote19:52
meetingologyVoting ended on: Please vote on: Unit193 PPU right for irssi19:52
meetingologyVotes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:019:52
meetingologyMotion carried19:52
slashdUnit193, congrats \o/19:52
tsimonq2Unit193: Congrats :)19:52
Unit193Well dang, thanks!19:52
rbasakCongratulations!19:52
rbasakI'll take the action items to sort out access/announcement.19:52
slashdtks rbasak19:52
tsimonq2My turn? ;)19:53
slashd#topic tsimonq2 Coredev application19:53
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: tsimonq2 Coredev application
tsimonq2Hi, I'm Simon Quigley; 16 year old MOTU/Qt 5 Uploader, Lubuntu Release Manager/Main Developer, Director of Operations at Altispeed Technologies, and general Ubuntu superenthusiast. My full Ubuntu story is on my wiki page.19:53
tsimonq2Please note that my application was updated by mapreri (right before going on VAC; see debian-private) just now and acheronuk in the past day, so please do reread if you haven't seen the updates quite yet.19:53
tsimonq2https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tsimonq2/Applications/CoreDeveloper19:53
rbasakWill everyone be around long enough that we'll still have quroum at vote time?19:53
slashdI'll stay as long as needed.19:53
cyphermoxI'm around19:53
sil2100Same here19:54
tsimonq2Cool.19:54
tsimonq2Does anyone have any questions for me?19:55
* sil2100 needs a moment19:56
rbasakWhat's the workflow you've been using to get things sponsored?19:57
rbasakeg. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debhelper/10.7.2ubuntu2 has no bug reference - did it go through the regular sponsorship queue?19:57
tsimonq2I will admit it's not the regular workflow; I talk with sponsors directly.19:57
tsimonq2If I know they're on vacation or something similar, I'll use the queue.19:58
tsimonq2But it's given them a chance to become familiar with my uploads.19:58
tsimonq2rbasak: Oh, that upload in particular wouldn't have.19:58
tsimonq2It's the regression fix.19:58
tsimonq2We were iterating in #ubuntu-release that day, if I recall correctly.19:58
rbasakHow do you pass your proposed uploader to one of your regular sponsors?19:59
rbasakyour proposed upload19:59
tsimonq2If it's big enough and I'm unsure about some parts of it, I file a bug and link them. Otherwise, we have a Telegram group; I can just upload it there.20:00
tsimonq2Sometimes it's pointless to file a bug if my sponsor's around and I have a debdiff in hand; it's filing a bug, then they respond with "sponsored" and it's done.20:02
tsimonq2But if I'm questioning it, I file a bug and subscribe the previous uploader.20:02
rbasakOK, thanks.20:02
rbasakNext question: have you managed any transitions?20:02
tsimonq2That goes for Universe uploads (which are self-serve for me now) and Main uploads.20:02
tsimonq2rbasak: A couple, actually.20:02
tsimonq2Right now, cosmic-proposed is a bit of a mess.20:02
tsimonq2But, I'm doing Qt 5 and Imagemagick.20:03
tsimonq2I was also helping with ffmpeg.20:03
tsimonq2Qt 5 should(!) go into Debian Testing today; I'm doing it concurrently in Debian and Ubuntu.20:03
tsimonq2Otherwise, in terms of managing transitions, I recently learned of a script Laney wrote to help management of that. Otherwise I use things like dose3...20:04
sil2100tsimonq2: when preparing an SRU to a stable series, what should be put in the Regression Potential field? What is it's purpose?20:04
tsimonq2sil2100: The purpose is to help identify any potential regressions, of course :) so if there's any chance the codebase could regress as the result of this update or any future updates, it should be at least mentioned.20:05
tsimonq2sil2100: This is typically after a code review (if the changes are manageable enough) or general regression potential in the case of the microrelease exception.20:06
tsimonq2There's a really good example of a bug report I wrote that follows that standard, if I can find it...20:06
tsimonq2sil2100: The gvfs fix in my table: bug 113347720:07
sil2100tsimonq2: that's good enough, thanks20:07
ubottubug 1133477 in gvfs (Ubuntu Xenial) "[SRU] cut-n-paste move files got stuck forever" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113347720:07
tsimonq2Thanks sil210020:07
sil2100tsimonq2: oh, one more from me: let's say a package needs to be reverted to a previous upstream version because the new one is causing regressions20:08
sil2100tsimonq2: how would you do that?20:08
tsimonq2sil2100: What was the last upload? If it was just the new upstream release, that's easy enough, just grab the previous upload, grab the changelog entry for the upload with the new upstream release, add a new changelog describing the revert with 1.1.1-1ubuntu2+really1.1.0-1ubuntu1 or something along those lines. If the last upload was bugfix with a quilt patch or something like that, I'd need to20:11
tsimonq2know (and perhaps investigate myself) if it still needs to be applied after the revert.20:11
tsimonq2sil2100: Your question's a little bit broad; I'd need more details.20:11
sil2100This is what I wanted to know basically20:13
sil2100Thanks!20:13
tsimonq2Thanks sil2100 :)20:13
sil2100Ok, I'm good20:13
tsimonq2rbasak: Did I answer your question earlier sufficiently?20:13
rbasakYes, thanks.20:13
slashdAny other questions for tsimonq2 ?20:13
sil2100I guess there's a different meeting here, maybe we should proceed to voting? Or is there any other questions?20:13
slashdagreed20:13
rbasaktsimonq2: have you handled proposed migration / handling excuses / getting autopkgtests to pass yourself?20:14
tsimonq2rbasak: I have.20:14
rbasakOK. I'm ready to vote then20:14
slashd#vote Please vote on: Simon Quigley (tsimonq2) coredev application20:14
meetingologyPlease vote on: Please vote on: Simon Quigley (tsimonq2) coredev application20:14
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)20:14
rbasak+120:14
meetingology+1 received from rbasak20:14
sil2100+120:14
meetingology+1 received from sil210020:14
slashd+1 good work20:14
meetingology+1 good work received from slashd20:14
slashdcyphermox ?20:15
slashdLet's give him a couple of minutes20:15
* sil2100 gently pokes cyphermox 20:15
tsimonq2Thanks rbasak sil2100 slashd :D20:16
cyphermoxugh20:17
cyphermoxI was +1, obviously20:17
slashd#endvote20:17
meetingologyVoting ended on: Please vote on: Simon Quigley (tsimonq2) coredev application20:17
meetingologyVotes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:020:17
meetingologyMotion carried20:17
cyphermoxtoo many things happening at once20:17
tsimonq2\o/20:18
tsimonq2Thanks!20:18
slashdCongrats tsimonq220:18
cyphermoxcongrats tsimonq220:18
slashd#topic AOB before the end20:18
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB before the end
slashdI guess we are good to end the meeting20:19
slashd#endmeeting20:19
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | <wxl> be nice
meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Aug 13 20:19:33 2018 UTC.20:19
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-08-13-19.08.moin.txt20:19
slashdthanks guys, congrat again Unit193 and tsimonq220:19
rbasakslashd: we need action items to actually enable tsimonq2 too20:19
slashdrbasak, right lo20:19
slashdI'll take care of it20:20
tsimonq2rbasak: So, before we do that.20:20
tsimonq2I have one request.20:20
tsimonq2Can I add myself to the LP team? :P20:20
rbasakI don't see why not.20:20
rbasakYou can announce yourself too, if you like :)20:20
tsimonq2Sure. ;)20:21
rbasaktsimonq2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase has the steps you need to follow20:21
tsimonq2Thanks.20:21
slashdok tsimonq2 will then take care of himself ;)20:21
slashdand rbasak of Unit19320:21
toddyHey gsilvapt. Do we have the meeting today?20:27
tsimonq2All done, I think.20:28
toddyor is any other around from the Ubuntu LoCo Council?20:28
wxlhere20:29
wxler20:29
toddytsimonq2: we have scheduled a meeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda20:29
wxlwait nope20:29
tsimonq2toddy: I was talking about my agenda item for the previous one.20:29
tsimonq2Sorry for the confusion.20:29
toddytsimonq2: no problem20:30
toddyok20:30
toddywxl: I think you are not in that Council :D20:31
wxlused to be :)20:31
wxlforgot :)20:31
Unit193slashd: Thanks.20:37

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