[02:21] <tsimonq2> Oh hai.
[02:22] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf booting in vbox the GRUB image looks blurry. is that just me?
 It's debian-cd.
 I hacked up something but @VikingRedwolf really needs to get us a sharper image or an SVG.
 I have an SVG for the logo but not the text + logo
 wxl: Fun fact, boot screen on the live CD is just a directory of images in debian-cd and then it hands off to Plymouth.
 I tried to use the image from Plymouth to no avail.
[02:24] <wxl> okie
[02:24] <wxl> should i make a bug/task for that?
 If @VikingRedwolf wants
[02:25] <wxl> i'll wait to hear from him
[02:25] <wxl> meanwhile i'm a little split about something
[02:26] <wxl> it's great that double clicking on a .desktop asks if you want to open (edit) or execute
[02:26] <wxl> it also sucks
 I totally get it.
 They're implementing metadata upstream.
 Soooo I'm thinking we can just ship metadata.
[02:27] <wxl> it would be nice if we could set it to just execute it
[02:27] <wxl> on a per file basis
 wxl: Also, did you see that in Calamares I wrote a script which automatically selects a mirror based on geographic location?
[02:27] <wxl> haven't got that far yet
 @wxl, Right, that's the metadata.
[02:28] <wxl> ok
[02:30] <wxl> do any of the isos support upgrading frmo the iso any longer?
 I don't think so.
 Quite frankly I'm not concerned about that until 19.04.
[02:37] <wxl> we already have a bug re: btrfs?
 Oh?
 What's wrong?
[02:39] <wxl> failed with gpt/btrfs it seems
 Is btrfs-progs installed?
[02:42] <wxl> yep
[02:42] <wxl> trying it with mbr
 Hmm
[03:04] <wxl> @tsimonq2: https://share.riseup.net/#7Ma3Zf7fbFQXYHxYBiIZWQ the --target=i386-pc is interesting because this is amd64 but it seems the issue is related to the blocklist???
[03:06] <wxl> this only seems to be the case with btrfs/gpt
 @wxl, Try joining #calamares and pinging [ade] with your findings.
[04:51] <wxl> @tsimonq2: should we have nm-tray in the menu? that seems weird. also maybe this is a virtualbox specific issue but it seems that if i try to "edit connections" off the context menu, nothing happens
[04:54] <wxl> @tsimonq2: yeah, actually it's trying to run xterm -e nmtui-edit and xterm doesn't exist
[04:55] <wxl> also don't we have something better than nmtui? i mean i love it but it's not pretty
 @wxl, Uhm... Why not have nm-tray?
 Yeah, graphical connections editor is on the TODO list.
 I'll need to FFe it.
[04:57] <wxl> nm-tray good. nm-tray in the menu not great. unless you like having lots of nm-tray icons :)
 Oh... Huh
 Yeah no that shouldn't be there.
 Create a task to blacklist it from the menu?
 Either way I need to hit the hay
 Night
[04:58] <wxl> nite
[05:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T51: blacklist nm-tray from the menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T51
 @tsimonq2, You can't use an SVG for boot. And I hate that. Only a bloody xpm thing and a PNG
 Are you using an hdpi screen?
 @VikingRedwolf, ...I need the SVG to make the PNG (or I need you to make one)
 @wxl, Morning! :|
 @tsimonq2, Ah LOL
 @VikingRedwolf, No, and it's not because of that.
 Well, it kinda is. .__.
 @tsimonq2, No. It's mine.
 @VikingRedwolf, Then make the bloody PNG
 😂
[15:17] <wxl> @tsimonq2: so [ade] is not in a position to help and suggested filing an issue. meanwhile, how did we fix it before to get ubuntu-bug to use the right browser? it's trying to use qupzilla again
[15:46] <wxl> inexplicably alternatives and lxqt-session both seem to consider falkon the default. xdg-open doesn't. oddly, xdg-open query default x-scheme-handler/http(s) and index/html all return firefox.desktop, but they seem to try to open qupzilla. there's no firefox anywhere. oddly xdg-open on an html file opens falkon, but only after reporting failing to find qupzilla vis a vis sensible-browser
[16:04] <wxl> looks like both lynorian and i saw this before but i had called it resolved
[16:06] <wxl> oh and there's no /usr/share/applications/falkon.desktop odd
[16:11] <wxl> ok well i think i may have found the reason why it's spitting out firefox. /usr/share/applications/defaults.list -> /etc/gnome/defaults.list includes it
[16:14] <wxl> the desktop file is org.kde.falkon.desktop
[16:14] <wxl> still, setting it as default for index/html still reports a fail from sensible-browser not finding qupzilla
[16:15] <wxl> setting it for x-scheme-handler/http still results in a fail trying to find qupzilla (sensible-browser not involved)
[16:17] <wxl> sed -i 's/firefox/org\.kde\.falkon/g' /etc/gnome/defaults.lists doesn't seem to change anything, though
[16:29] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1769780
[16:50] <wxl> actually the /etc/gnome/defaults.list fixes ubuntu-bug's behavior-- but not xdg
[16:51] <wxl> bug 1786976
[16:51] <wxl> oops
[16:51] <wxl> bug 1786986
[16:51] <wxl> fat finger
[16:52] <wxl> ^^ lynorian could you check that
 Hmm
 I'll look into it, thanks wxl
[17:35] <wxl> it's freaking confounding
 First guess: XDG.
 Second guess: Falkon postinst script still hardcoding Qupzilla somewhere.
 Third guess, upstream Falkon hasn't fully renamed yet.
 As a workaround we can symlink /usr/bin/qupzilla to /usr/bin/falkon or whatever but that's kinda hacky.
[17:37] <wxl> xdg is being weird, but i don't think it's xdg
[17:38] <wxl> technically there's two issues:
 I got upload access to fix the XDG stuff yesterday. 🤣
[17:39] <wxl>  1. ubuntu-bug fails to open a browser.. this can be fixed by replacing firefox with org.kde.falkon in /etc/gnome/defaults.list
[17:39] <wxl>  2. xdg-open fails to open http(s) URIs
 Use apt-file find to tell me where that file from 1) comes from.
[17:40] <wxl> i'll bother with that next time i'm in front of the puter :)
[17:40] <wxl> oh well i guess i'll download a vm on this machine
 Mkay
[17:48] <lynorian> wxl I think I had a similar bug I reported way back but I should test yours
[17:48] <wxl> lynorian: the bug mentions yours and i had actually commented on that bug
[18:07] <wxl> @tsimonq2: desktop-file-utils
 @wxl, Yup.
[18:14] <wxl> @tsimonq2: note agaida's comment about xdg-open and the firefox angle. that's kind of the 3rd bug that has a relatively minor affect: the fact that no matter what, xdg-mime thinks firefox.desktop is the right browser to use
[18:18]  * tsimonq2 stretches.
[18:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: Sure.
[18:19] <tsimonq2> wxl: By the way; password strength checker in the installer, love it or hate it?
[18:19] <wxl> @tsimonq2: it seems relatively consistent with ubiquity but i haven't really checked its abilities
[18:20] <wxl> wonder if it will let me use unicode :)
[18:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: Because there's this sweet password checker library that Cala can be enabled to use.
[18:20] <tsimonq2> I switched it on in the dailies a few days ago.
[18:20] <wxl> ah cool
[18:20] <wxl> well
[18:20] <wxl> huh
[18:20] <wxl> it does let me use the same password as the username
[18:20] <wxl> that might not be ideal
[18:21] <tsimonq2> If people start b****ing at us, are you totes cool with saying "well, use a stronger password!" ?
[18:21] <tsimonq2> I am, if you are.
[18:21] <wxl> absolutely
[18:21] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[18:21] <wxl> but it also might not be working all that well (see above)
[18:21] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/master/src/modules/users/users.conf#L61
[18:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: That's the info on it.
[18:23] <wxl> you mean https://github.com/libpwquality/libpwquality is
[18:23] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[18:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: Our config: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/browse/master/lubuntu/modules/users.conf$13
[18:24] <wxl> OOOOH GITHUB CAN VIEW MANPAGES
[18:24] <wxl> https://github.com/libpwquality/libpwquality/blob/master/doc/man/pam_pwquality.8.pod
[18:25] <wxl> i wnoder if usercheck would work
[18:25] <wxl> probably not
[18:25] <tsimonq2> Play with it; i.e. get a live ISO and tweak it on the live system.
[18:25] <tsimonq2> /etc/calamares is where it's all installed.
[18:28] <wxl> i suggest minLength: 8 personally but some people will hate me
[18:29] <wxl> minclass: 4 is also my personal requirement
[18:30] <wxl> you should explicitly include dictcheck: 1 (it should be default, but make sure)
[18:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: Confirm that it works and maybe send a diff.
[18:31] <tsimonq2> Maybe you can do your first Arcanist diff on Phab. ;)
[18:40] <wxl> @tsimonq2: so i just edit /etc/calamres/modules/users.conf and run calamares?
[18:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yup, but Cala has to be closed when you edit the file.
[18:41] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ohhhhhh, you see agaida's comment? It's after $BROWSER is set...
[18:42] <wxl> oh jesus that's it????
[18:42] <tsimonq2> On my Lubuntu Cosmic setup: 
[18:42] <tsimonq2> $ echo $BROWSER
[18:42] <tsimonq2> qupzilla
[18:43] <wxl> i don't think this works
[18:43] <tsimonq2> OH: I was right about postinst.
[18:43] <wxl> (the password checker)
[18:43] <tsimonq2> Harumph. :/
[18:43] <wxl> dictcheck breaks it altogether
[18:43] <wxl> but minclass=4 accepts only 2 classes
[18:44] <wxl> actually it accepts only one
[18:44] <tsimonq2> Ah.
[18:44] <tsimonq2>     # if BROWSER variable is not set, check some well known browsers instead
[18:44] <tsimonq2>     if [ x"$BROWSER" = x"" ]; then
[18:44] <tsimonq2>         BROWSER=www-browser:links2:elinks:links:lynx:w3m
[18:44] <tsimonq2>         if has_display; then
[18:44] <tsimonq2>             BROWSER=x-www-browser:firefox:iceweasel:seamonkey:mozilla:epiphany:konqueror:chromium:chromium-browser:google-chrome:$BROWSER
[18:44] <tsimonq2>         fi
[18:44] <tsimonq2> We need to set x-www-browser in Falkon's postinst.
[18:44] <tsimonq2>     fi
[18:44] <tsimonq2> Yeah no.
[18:44] <tsimonq2> wxl: Keep playing with it. ;)
[18:45] <wxl> yeah nope
[18:45] <wxl> even JUST including minclass=4 doesn't do anything
[18:45] <wxl> it's brokeded
[18:45] <tsimonq2> hmm
[18:45] <wxl> the only part that seems to work is the min and max length
[18:46] <wxl> maybe libpwquality isn't available at build time?
[18:46] <wxl> because that's the part that's not working
[18:46] <tsimonq2> For Cala?
[18:46] <tsimonq2> I mean, I can try it after this.
[18:46] <wxl> the min/maxlength are actually built into Cala
[18:48] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[19:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: You're right about needing a Cala build dep.
[19:04] <wxl> @tsimonq2: wellllll the comments say as such XD
[19:24] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i still don't understand how $BROWSER is set to qupzilla. unless it's already set (what would it be set by? it's not in falkon's postinst), looking at /usr/bin/xdg-open, $BROWSER should be x-www-browser:etc. which would just work
[19:27] <wxl> indeed BROWSER=x-www-browser Just Works™
[21:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGSd6652367c57e: Add a changelog entry for the Danish translation.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGSd6652367c57e
[21:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGSd2394fa5a6ba: Make the password detection runtime dep into a build dep.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGSd2394fa5a6ba
[21:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS82b66ac9a3ec: Bump Standards-version to 4.2.0, no changes needed.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS82b66ac9a3ec
[21:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS8eeeac57c6db: Upload to Cosmic.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS8eeeac57c6db
[22:06] <wxl> @tsimonq2: strange is that on efi the live cd boots to the login screen. any idea what we need to do to fix that?
[22:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[22:06] <tsimonq2> waaaaaaaat
[22:07] <wxl> @tsimonq2: tested with efi mode in vbox to be fair but i doubt it'd be different on real hardware
[22:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: Interesting, because it works fine on UEFI with QEMU.
[22:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: I also have real hardware.
[22:08] <wxl> maybe a regression?
[22:09] <tsimonq2> Nope, just tested with QEMU. I can test with Real Hardware in a few.
[22:09] <wxl> bt-dubs https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1014
[22:09] <tsimonq2> Buggy VirtualBox is buggy. XD
[22:09]  * wxl shrugs
[22:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGSd9dc0546f68b: Remove the build dep completely.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGSd9dc0546f68b
[22:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGSe628ebc084cd: Upload to Cosmic.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGSe628ebc084cd
[22:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[22:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: I figured out the xdg-open stuff.
[22:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: LXQt Session Settings -> Default Applications.
[22:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: Fixing.
[22:24] <wxl> what? no
[22:24] <tsimonq2> yuuuuuup.
[22:24] <wxl> i checked that, i swear
[22:24] <tsimonq2> Nope.
[22:24] <tsimonq2> That fixed it.
[22:24] <wxl> oh
[22:24] <wxl> look at that
[22:25] <tsimonq2> lubuntu-default-settings (ubuntu/cosmic)$ grep -R "qupzilla"
[22:25] <tsimonq2> src/etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/session.conf:BROWSER=qupzilla
[22:25] <tsimonq2> src/etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/panel.conf:apps\2\desktop=/usr/share/applications/org.qupzilla.QupZilla.desktop
[22:27] <wxl> so weird that it sets it via the variable
[22:29] <wxl> personally i'd consider that a bug against lxqt-session
[22:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: Blame agaida. XD
[22:30] <wxl> i usually do
[22:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGSdc68d9f740e6: We use Falkon now, not Qupzilla (LP: #1786986).] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGSdc68d9f740e6
[22:37] <wxl> what i don't understand is how that didn't affect anything else XD
[22:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: BTW, do you see the fancy bug commenter? bug 1786986
[22:37] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:37] <wxl> and this is why i say it's a problem the way they do things: too many systems working in too many different ways
[22:38] <wxl> very nice
[22:38] <wxl> btw <email address hidden> on lugito's launchpad profile
[22:38] <wxl> you might want to spell it out (at, dot, etc)
[22:39] <tsimonq2> Because it's some weird one of mine.
[22:39] <tsimonq2> Long term we need to get IS to give us lugito@lubuntu.me and point it at a shared inbox for the team.
[22:39] <wxl> no i mean in the text
[22:39] <wxl> it appears that you're trying to provide a place for people to email about it
[22:39] <tsimonq2> Right now it's MYGMAILACCOUNT+lugito@gmail.com
[22:39] <tsimonq2> ohh
[22:39] <tsimonq2> what
[22:39] <tsimonq2> huh?
[22:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: You aren't logged into LP, are you?
[22:40] <wxl> doesn't info@ go to all of us?
[22:40] <wxl> not currently
[22:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: Test out info@
[22:40] <tsimonq2> I just hope it's not public.
[22:41] <tsimonq2> aha
[22:41] <tsimonq2> Nope, that just goes to lubuntu-admins.
[22:41] <wxl> same diff
[22:41] <tsimonq2> If we had a private mailing list, I'd say that's fine.
[22:41] <tsimonq2> But lugito@ might need sensitive info sent to it.
[22:41] <wxl> i doubt it
[22:41] <tsimonq2> Auth keys and whatnot.
[22:41] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:41] <tsimonq2> I dunno man.
[22:41] <wxl> if you're sending auth keys into a black hole you deserve what you get :)
[22:42] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:42] <tsimonq2> OK, fine.
[22:42] <tsimonq2> I'll change the email address in LP.
[22:42] <tsimonq2> wxl: But you wanna talk to IS about pointing lugito@ to lubuntu-admins?
[22:43] <wxl> naw, i'd just put info. same diff.
[22:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: What's this? https://launchpad.net/~bfwxl
[22:45] <tsimonq2> :)
[22:45] <wxl> one i use for work
[22:45] <wxl> i rarely use it
[22:45] <tsimonq2> ahh.