[02:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:43] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Main in same shape as you left it .
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[02:51] <Bashing-om> slow all over - not much going on makes for a slow night .
[05:43] <tomreyn> so 16.04->18.04 is live since 13 Aug 2018 23:42:29 GMT, hope it goes well. *crosses fingers*
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> yess
[06:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> hey morning lordievader
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> all good on your side lordievader
[06:09] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[06:10] <lordievader> Doing good here. How are you guys?
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> i did some rack filling on our new garden house
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> making some space in our house
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> !in
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> whats the indonesia trigger again
[12:38] <daftykins> !id
[12:38] <daftykins> i just google "2 letter country code" :)
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx daftykins
[12:38] <daftykins> np :D
[12:41] <JimBuntu> !en
[12:57] <pauljw> hi everyone
[13:04] <lordievader> Hey pauljw
[13:05] <pauljw> hi lordievader
[13:06] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[13:07] <pauljw> good here, how about you?
[13:08] <lordievader> Doing allright, trying to migrate some databases (that don't want to 😞 )
[13:08] <JimBuntu> ugh, don't we all love DB migrations?
[13:08] <pauljw> :)
[13:09] <lordievader> Well the good thing is that it is the last MySQL db. After that I can ditch MySQL (or actually MariaDB).
[13:09] <lordievader> 🎉
[13:10] <JimBuntu> lordievader, What are you moving to... Mongo/Dynamo/Other?
[13:12] <lordievader> Postgres
[13:34] <JimBuntu> !bugs
[13:40] <daftykins> "we may get to it inside ~5 years"
[15:22] <JimBuntu> rawtaz, Hi. I don't work for canonical, nor can I speak for them. I do agree that claiming to be the "leading OS for..." seems to be a bit over the top, without backing up the reasoning.
[15:23] <JimBuntu> I can say, it's a very popular distro, but I don't know what metrics show it as being in the lead at the moment.
[15:25] <rawtaz> i'll contact ubuntu and see what they say about it :-)
[15:25] <JimBuntu> rawtaz, https://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-the-most-popular-linux-of-them-all/
[15:26] <JimBuntu> This article isn't too old and also explains a bit about how it can be difficult to figure out which Linux is in the lead... well.. once you ignore Android.
[15:27] <rawtaz> indeed :)
[15:27] <rawtaz> which just makes it even more unlikely that there's an actual basis for what theyre stating on that site
[15:28] <JimBuntu> While I don't like it, I chalk this up to the same thing so many entities do... #1 bank, #1 hotdog/etc
[15:28] <rawtaz> you mean that more or less everyone and their cat's dogs put stuff like this in their marketing?
[15:29] <JimBuntu> rawtaz, Well, a whole lot do. That doesn't make it right... and I suppose they can say that it's based on some really skewed survey from once upon a time.
[15:29] <rawtaz> yep
[15:30] <rawtaz> there's lots of lies and dirty marketing going on
[15:41] <leftyfb> rawtaz: or there's not and they just haven't published the data to back it up
[15:46] <rawtaz> yep, could be. in that case it should be easy for them to answer :)
[15:47] <daftykins> i think you should focus on the more important aspects in life
[15:48] <rawtaz> daftykins: indeed. equally much ubuntu should provide a reference to their claim
[15:48] <daftykins> no - and please note, ubuntu is the 'product', Canonical is the company
[15:48] <rawtaz> daftykins: FWIW im trying to do a release upgrade, and it's just borking things up. cant blame me for not trying to focus on the more important things ;)
[15:48] <rawtaz> daftykins: yes, i know
[15:49] <daftykins> then why are you using the wrong name?
[15:49] <daftykins> oh i can, 'cause you're in here discussing the above :)
[15:50] <rawtaz> daftykins: you seem to have a problem with me questioning something which has an extremely high degree of being a statement without a valid basis for it
[15:50] <rawtaz> daftykins: sorry for using the wrong name, i should of course write canonical instead
[15:53] <hggdh> rawtaz: one of the issues (already sort of mentioned here) is that there is no way to collect reliable data for who uses what distro; the processes used so far are all biased in some way
[15:53] <hggdh> (as far as I can see)
[15:53] <rawtaz> hggdh: i agree :)
[15:53] <rawtaz> hggdh: but if you cannot collect data that can tell you with a reasonable level of certainty that you are the leader, then naturally you should claim to be, right?
[15:54] <rawtaz> and if you do have data that reasonably suggests you are, then fine. thats what im going to ask them about
[15:54] <rawtaz> ill just mail then and see what they say. perhaps the have a great answer
[15:54] <rawtaz> i asked in #ubuntu and the discussion was moved here, that's all
[15:55] <hggdh> rawtaz: yes, and good that it moved, this question is not on-topic for #u
[15:56] <rawtaz> great
[16:07] <rawtaz> i will keep you guys posted about this important matter ;)
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> wich matter
[16:08] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: what are the basis for the assertion "Ubuntu is the most used Linux distro"
[16:08] <rawtaz> lotuspsychje: haha, never mind ;) im trying to establish what metrics .. yeah that ^
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> rawtaz: canonical started recording sysinfo now, in the near future more specific info will rise on that matter
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> hey nacc
[16:10] <rawtaz> right. thats great. but it'll still be hard to correlate that with them being the leader. it'll be more like "the leader in number of measured usage" :D
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> rawtaz: you can never count exact every box in the world right
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> rawtaz: we can only count the data we have
[16:11] <rawtaz> yeah, youre right
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> rawtaz: if 10 guys install gentoo boxes offline, nobody knows of, is +10 popular for gentoo
[16:12] <nacc> lotuspsychje: hiya
[16:12] <tomreyn> leftyfb: if dnsdns really is in charge for managing the PTRs for this network, then it would turn out internet censorship in iran is not actually intentional.
[16:12] <leftyfb> tomreyn: they're not :)
[16:13] <tomreyn> i hope so.
[16:14] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I used to be authoritative for the 13 ip's I get from my provider, but then they decided one day to not support it anymore. I was kinda silly walking through a "tech" on the phone how to create the PTR record and even sillier asking him to type out this long nonsense record I used as a vhost for IRC for many years :)
[16:15] <tomreyn> hehe, on the phone omg
[16:15] <leftyfb> yeah, it was dumb
[16:15] <leftyfb> I've still got a couple of them setup too
[16:18] <tomreyn> "so, sir, you said this new product name of yours i should type here in DNS is spelled  H - four - X - X - zero - R - three - D - dot - C - O - M, right?"
[16:19] <leftyfb> basically :)
[16:19] <daftykins> xD
[16:26] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I used to also set these records up for the largest shared hosting company on the planet ... i've done it a few times :)
[16:28] <tomreyn> oh you told me about that company, makes sense that you were managing PTRs as well.
[16:28] <leftyfb> of course, we did manage it all through a DB. But I did understand the inner workings from doing it on my own.
[17:02] <tomreyn> did bind already support a DB backend back then? i think that's relatively new, isnt it?
[18:05] <nacc> and the s. hits the f. with l1tf :)
[18:13] <leftyfb> tomreyn: we used powerDNS
[18:15] <tomreyn> oh, i was thinking this is somewhat young, too
[18:18] <tomreyn> ok, powerdns 2.9.1 released late 2003, i guess this can be old enough
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> hey pragmaticenigma
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> hello
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> !isitoutyet | pragmaticenigma
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> umm
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> that was for april :-(
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> !ltsupgrade
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> that's the one that should be changed
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: what would you suggest the factoid says?
[19:23] <Bashing-om> pragmaticenigma: Would be nice to have the bot respond with current info : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-August/004556.html  .
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: tomreyn told us this morning lts path was live
[19:24] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: you can suggest it yourself
[19:24] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: !ltsupgrade is ...
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> I have no idea what it should say... I'd go with 18.04 LTS Upgrade tool has been released
[19:25] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: If the LTS path is open , we got to pull the UWN article .
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> with a link on how to trigger it
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i would let it stay, its from last night 23h
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: next weeks news also comes?
[19:32] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: In my mind that the LTS article will have to be pulled befire next Monday's publishing .
[19:32] <Bashing-om> befor*
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> Press Alt+F2 and type  update-manager -c   into the command box.
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> Update Manager should open up and tell you that Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is now available.
[19:50] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yup! dfumagalli: " As of now, the upgrade path is officially available. No need to add "-d" or other tricks any more. I am upgrading to 18.04.01 right now." .
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: discuss the article with the news team right, not my decide :p
[19:53] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: UWN: All commnents, suggestions, critique  & other stuff ... always welcomed !
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> ok mate
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> i would wait a week for lts path
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> more users, more help, newer news :p
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> they just started low today
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1063954/ubuntu-18-04-1-lts-very-very-slow-boot
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> bit like my systemd bug..
[19:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: We work alla the week long gathering what we can .. come Friday we do the write ups .. Sunday eve make up the wiki .. and Monday eve - hope all is squared away - and we publish what we have .
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> cu another timezone
[20:05] <nacc> i'm assuming we should send l1tf discussion to #ubuntu-hardened, right?
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> here we go again... why do they think it's appropriate for a lyrics bot
[20:10] <nacc> i've notified ops manually as well
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> is it that hard to make one's own room to play with that stuff?
[20:11] <nacc> dunno
[20:12] <hggdh> nacc: welcome to the whackamole game :-)
[20:12] <nacc> hggdh: lol
[20:13] <nacc> hggdh: has this one been going on long?
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> not very hard to make your own room
[20:13] <hggdh> a few weeks, mostly off, one week mostly on
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> hggdh: are there honey pot rooms that might help?
[20:14] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: not really. This is the rickrolling person
[20:14] <pragmaticenigma> oh no... now tomreyn has turned into one :-(... sad sad day
[20:15] <hggdh> we do have a few channels wide open, but mostly so we can have a feeling on how things are going
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> this beeing at the freenode level?
[20:59] <leftyfb> nacc: alee is a troll/spammer
[20:59] <leftyfb> nacc: it's the "despacito" troll from earlier
[21:00] <nacc> leftyfb: thanks
[21:04] <nacc> oh good lord, just kick them hggdh :)
[21:05] <hggdh> until I am convinced he is the musicguy aka steel aka stove etc, no, cannot
[21:05] <el> would you prefer this nonsense or the lyricsbot. if we kick him he'll bring back the lyricsbot
[21:06] <nacc> lol
[21:06] <nacc> hggdh: i was mostly joking, sorry was in poor taste
[21:06] <el> although i'm fairly sure what's about to happen is the lyricsbot
[21:07] <nacc> lol
[21:08] <hggdh> so am I. But... innocent until lyrics, and so on
[21:08] <daftykins> was it a good song at least?
[21:09] <el> the "bot"'s options are despacito, rickroll and something dre. so no.
[21:09] <hggdh> daftykins: not my genres for sure
[21:11] <el> i'm also fairly sure the "bot" is just him pasting into a second client that has ratelimiting to prevent getting banned for flooding
[21:14] <leftyfb> curious how far he's going to take this
[21:16] <leftyfb> shocker: "<alee> Guys, i dont have any problems, it was a prank"
[21:17] <hggdh> now
[21:17] <el> shocking he just got k-lined for harassment
[21:18] <hggdh> elsewhere?
[21:19] <hggdh> just when I was going to act...
[21:20] <el> hggdh: yep. i was ignoring it until he decided to throw in wasting project time
[21:23] <el> hggdh: you can get him next time, i gotta go dentist now
[21:26] <hggdh> :-)