[02:37] good morning to all [02:43] lotuspsychje: Main in same shape as you left it . [02:46] hey Bashing-om [02:51] slow all over - not much going on makes for a slow night . [05:43] so 16.04->18.04 is live since 13 Aug 2018 23:42:29 GMT, hope it goes well. *crosses fingers* [05:52] yess [06:08] Good morning [06:08] hey morning lordievader [06:08] all good on your side lordievader [06:09] morning lordievader [06:10] Doing good here. How are you guys? [06:10] i did some rack filling on our new garden house [06:10] making some space in our house === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ [12:37] !in [12:37] #ubuntu-in is the channel for Ubuntu in India [12:37] whats the indonesia trigger again [12:38] !id [12:38] join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia [12:38] i just google "2 letter country code" :) [12:38] ah tnx daftykins [12:38] np :D [12:41] !en [12:41] The main Ubuntu IRC channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [12:57] hi everyone [13:04] Hey pauljw [13:05] hi lordievader [13:06] How are you doing? [13:07] good here, how about you? [13:08] Doing allright, trying to migrate some databases (that don't want to 😞 ) [13:08] ugh, don't we all love DB migrations? [13:08] :) [13:09] Well the good thing is that it is the last MySQL db. After that I can ditch MySQL (or actually MariaDB). [13:09] 🎉 [13:10] lordievader, What are you moving to... Mongo/Dynamo/Other? [13:12] Postgres [13:34] !bugs [13:34] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [13:40] "we may get to it inside ~5 years" [15:22] rawtaz, Hi. I don't work for canonical, nor can I speak for them. I do agree that claiming to be the "leading OS for..." seems to be a bit over the top, without backing up the reasoning. [15:23] I can say, it's a very popular distro, but I don't know what metrics show it as being in the lead at the moment. [15:25] i'll contact ubuntu and see what they say about it :-) [15:25] rawtaz, https://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-the-most-popular-linux-of-them-all/ [15:26] This article isn't too old and also explains a bit about how it can be difficult to figure out which Linux is in the lead... well.. once you ignore Android. [15:27] indeed :) [15:27] which just makes it even more unlikely that there's an actual basis for what theyre stating on that site [15:28] While I don't like it, I chalk this up to the same thing so many entities do... #1 bank, #1 hotdog/etc [15:28] you mean that more or less everyone and their cat's dogs put stuff like this in their marketing? [15:29] rawtaz, Well, a whole lot do. That doesn't make it right... and I suppose they can say that it's based on some really skewed survey from once upon a time. [15:29] yep [15:30] there's lots of lies and dirty marketing going on [15:41] rawtaz: or there's not and they just haven't published the data to back it up [15:46] yep, could be. in that case it should be easy for them to answer :) [15:47] i think you should focus on the more important aspects in life [15:48] daftykins: indeed. equally much ubuntu should provide a reference to their claim [15:48] no - and please note, ubuntu is the 'product', Canonical is the company [15:48] daftykins: FWIW im trying to do a release upgrade, and it's just borking things up. cant blame me for not trying to focus on the more important things ;) [15:48] daftykins: yes, i know [15:49] then why are you using the wrong name? [15:49] oh i can, 'cause you're in here discussing the above :) [15:50] daftykins: you seem to have a problem with me questioning something which has an extremely high degree of being a statement without a valid basis for it [15:50] daftykins: sorry for using the wrong name, i should of course write canonical instead [15:53] rawtaz: one of the issues (already sort of mentioned here) is that there is no way to collect reliable data for who uses what distro; the processes used so far are all biased in some way [15:53] (as far as I can see) [15:53] hggdh: i agree :) [15:53] hggdh: but if you cannot collect data that can tell you with a reasonable level of certainty that you are the leader, then naturally you should claim to be, right? [15:54] and if you do have data that reasonably suggests you are, then fine. thats what im going to ask them about [15:54] ill just mail then and see what they say. perhaps the have a great answer [15:54] i asked in #ubuntu and the discussion was moved here, that's all [15:55] rawtaz: yes, and good that it moved, this question is not on-topic for #u [15:56] great [16:07] i will keep you guys posted about this important matter ;) [16:08] wich matter [16:08] lotuspsychje: what are the basis for the assertion "Ubuntu is the most used Linux distro" [16:08] lotuspsychje: haha, never mind ;) im trying to establish what metrics .. yeah that ^ [16:09] rawtaz: canonical started recording sysinfo now, in the near future more specific info will rise on that matter [16:10] hey nacc [16:10] right. thats great. but it'll still be hard to correlate that with them being the leader. it'll be more like "the leader in number of measured usage" :D [16:10] rawtaz: you can never count exact every box in the world right [16:11] rawtaz: we can only count the data we have [16:11] yeah, youre right [16:11] rawtaz: if 10 guys install gentoo boxes offline, nobody knows of, is +10 popular for gentoo [16:12] lotuspsychje: hiya [16:12] leftyfb: if dnsdns really is in charge for managing the PTRs for this network, then it would turn out internet censorship in iran is not actually intentional. [16:12] tomreyn: they're not :) [16:13] i hope so. [16:14] tomreyn: I used to be authoritative for the 13 ip's I get from my provider, but then they decided one day to not support it anymore. I was kinda silly walking through a "tech" on the phone how to create the PTR record and even sillier asking him to type out this long nonsense record I used as a vhost for IRC for many years :) [16:15] hehe, on the phone omg [16:15] yeah, it was dumb [16:15] I've still got a couple of them setup too [16:18] "so, sir, you said this new product name of yours i should type here in DNS is spelled H - four - X - X - zero - R - three - D - dot - C - O - M, right?" [16:19] basically :) [16:19] xD [16:26] tomreyn: I used to also set these records up for the largest shared hosting company on the planet ... i've done it a few times :) [16:28] oh you told me about that company, makes sense that you were managing PTRs as well. [16:28] of course, we did manage it all through a DB. But I did understand the inner workings from doing it on my own. [17:02] did bind already support a DB backend back then? i think that's relatively new, isnt it? [18:05] and the s. hits the f. with l1tf :) [18:13] tomreyn: we used powerDNS [18:15] oh, i was thinking this is somewhat young, too [18:18] ok, powerdns 2.9.1 released late 2003, i guess this can be old enough [19:16] hey pragmaticenigma [19:16] hello [19:20] !isitoutyet | pragmaticenigma [19:20] pragmaticenigma: Yes, it's out! Party in #ubuntu-release-party :) [19:20] lol [19:20] umm [19:20] that was for april :-( [19:20] !ltsupgrade [19:20] Upgrades from 16.04 LTS will not be enabled until a few days after the 18.04.1 release expected in late July. [19:21] that's the one that should be changed [19:23] pragmaticenigma: what would you suggest the factoid says? [19:23] pragmaticenigma: Would be nice to have the bot respond with current info : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-August/004556.html . [19:24] Bashing-om: tomreyn told us this morning lts path was live [19:24] pragmaticenigma: you can suggest it yourself [19:24] pragmaticenigma: !ltsupgrade is ... [19:25] I have no idea what it should say... I'd go with 18.04 LTS Upgrade tool has been released [19:25] lotuspsychje: If the LTS path is open , we got to pull the UWN article . [19:25] with a link on how to trigger it [19:31] Bashing-om: i would let it stay, its from last night 23h [19:31] Bashing-om: next weeks news also comes? [19:32] lotuspsychje: In my mind that the LTS article will have to be pulled befire next Monday's publishing . [19:32] befor* [19:49] pragmaticenigma: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes [19:49] Press Alt+F2 and type update-manager -c into the command box. [19:49] Update Manager should open up and tell you that Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is now available. [19:50] lotuspsychje: Yup! dfumagalli: " As of now, the upgrade path is officially available. No need to add "-d" or other tricks any more. I am upgrading to 18.04.01 right now." . [19:50] !yay [19:50] Glad you made it! :-) [19:50] Bashing-om: discuss the article with the news team right, not my decide :p [19:53] lotuspsychje: UWN: All commnents, suggestions, critique & other stuff ... always welcomed ! [19:53] ok mate [19:53] i would wait a week for lts path [19:54] more users, more help, newer news :p [19:54] they just started low today [19:55] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1063954/ubuntu-18-04-1-lts-very-very-slow-boot [19:55] bit like my systemd bug.. [19:56] lotuspsychje: We work alla the week long gathering what we can .. come Friday we do the write ups .. Sunday eve make up the wiki .. and Monday eve - hope all is squared away - and we publish what we have . [19:56] yeah [20:05] nite nite guys [20:05] cu another timezone [20:05] i'm assuming we should send l1tf discussion to #ubuntu-hardened, right? [20:10] here we go again... why do they think it's appropriate for a lyrics bot [20:10] i've notified ops manually as well [20:11] is it that hard to make one's own room to play with that stuff? [20:11] dunno [20:12] nacc: welcome to the whackamole game :-) [20:12] hggdh: lol [20:13] hggdh: has this one been going on long? [20:13] not very hard to make your own room [20:13] a few weeks, mostly off, one week mostly on [20:13] hggdh: are there honey pot rooms that might help? [20:14] pragmaticenigma: not really. This is the rickrolling person [20:14] oh no... now tomreyn has turned into one :-(... sad sad day [20:15] we do have a few channels wide open, but mostly so we can have a feeling on how things are going [20:15] this beeing at the freenode level? [20:59] nacc: alee is a troll/spammer [20:59] nacc: it's the "despacito" troll from earlier [21:00] leftyfb: thanks [21:04] oh good lord, just kick them hggdh :) [21:05] until I am convinced he is the musicguy aka steel aka stove etc, no, cannot [21:05] would you prefer this nonsense or the lyricsbot. if we kick him he'll bring back the lyricsbot [21:06] lol [21:06] hggdh: i was mostly joking, sorry was in poor taste [21:06] although i'm fairly sure what's about to happen is the lyricsbot [21:07] lol [21:08] so am I. But... innocent until lyrics, and so on [21:08] was it a good song at least? [21:09] the "bot"'s options are despacito, rickroll and something dre. so no. [21:09] daftykins: not my genres for sure [21:11] i'm also fairly sure the "bot" is just him pasting into a second client that has ratelimiting to prevent getting banned for flooding [21:14] curious how far he's going to take this [21:16] shocker: " Guys, i dont have any problems, it was a prank" [21:17] now [21:17] shocking he just got k-lined for harassment [21:18] elsewhere? [21:19] just when I was going to act... [21:20] hggdh: yep. i was ignoring it until he decided to throw in wasting project time [21:23] hggdh: you can get him next time, i gotta go dentist now [21:26] :-)