[03:37] <Bashing-om> New kernel is out.
[03:38] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade
 !ltsupgrade is The upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04.1 is now available, if you do not get offered for the upgrade: Press Alt+F2 and type update-manager -c into the command box. Please make a backup before upgrading.
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> forwarded, please test during the day
[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:26] <ducasse> good morning
[07:11] <lordievader> Hey Bashing-om, lotuspsychje , ducasse
[07:11] <lordievader> How are you all?
[07:12] <lordievader> Does the 4.15.0-24-generic kernel have the TCP DoS vulnerability?
[07:13] <lordievader> Not that the host running that kernel is directly connected to the internet.
[07:18] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well today?
[07:19] <ducasse> dunno about that vuln, i'm afraid
[07:19] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[10:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:03] <ducasse> hiya BluesKaj - how goes?
[10:04] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse, doing well here, and you?
[10:05] <ducasse> ok here, thanks - a bit chilly today
[10:06] <BluesKaj> still warm here, forecast is for 27 and sunny
[10:07] <ducasse> only 19 here
[10:09] <BluesKaj> that's still comfortable
[10:13] <daftykins> i'll take the lower for sure :D
[10:13] <daftykins> hey BluesKaj - good visit with the kids over the weekend?
[10:14] <BluesKaj> yup
[10:14] <BluesKaj> daftykins, had a great time ...trying to recover :-)
[10:15] <BluesKaj> altho my laptop screen crapped out
[10:17] <BluesKaj> so i wasn't able to chat herein the mornings...everyone sleeps till 8 except me
[10:18] <daftykins> doh!
[10:18] <daftykins> heh if i got up at 8 i would shock a lot of people ;)
[10:19] <BluesKaj> could have use my phone, but it's a pita to type on
[10:19] <BluesKaj> used
[10:19] <daftykins> mmm i have the same feeling, capable of SSHing to my home box to attach to screen and irssi, but don't really wanna do it :D
[10:21] <BluesKaj> I have an irc client on the phone ...at least I did, can't recall the name atm, think I used it once
[10:24] <daftykins> mmm a lot of the ones i used in the past haven't been updated in forever so are no doubt vulnerable in one way or another
[10:25] <BluesKaj> '/me nods
[10:33] <lordievader> Having a bit of silence is also nice once in a while.
[10:34] <daftykins> mmm, some nice offline time
[10:34] <daftykins> BluesKaj: so you're getting no picture / no backlight now on the laptop is it?
[10:48] <BluesKaj> just a grey scree, or white , depends on how I move the screen away or towards me...the connection from the HW seems broken
[10:48] <daftykins> ah yeah, iffy cable
[10:48] <daftykins> a reseat might be enough
[10:49] <BluesKaj> connected to a monitor and I get a login , but the desktop doesn't show my original settings , so there's more wrong with it than just the screen.
[10:50] <daftykins> ooh-err
[10:52] <pauljw> hi everyone
[10:52] <daftykins> morn \o
[10:53] <pauljw> hey daftykins :)
[10:53] <daftykins> it's a veritable party already in here
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw
[10:55] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)
[11:03] <BluesKaj> looking at a new phone anyway, don't think a new laptop is my future anymore
[11:04] <daftykins> i still find they last longer :D even if the OS maintenance is greater
[11:05] <BluesKaj> yeah my last 2 laptops lasted only about 5 yrs and this one crapped out right ontime :-)
[11:06] <daftykins> were they the cheaper end of the spectrum?
[11:07] <BluesKaj> well mid range for the lenovo G500, my latest...the others were HP and Acer low ends
[11:11] <daftykins> oh i've seen a couple of those, i'd still call them low :D
[11:12] <daftykins> plastic shell with all the bits taped inside xD
[11:13] <BluesKaj> altho, i have to admit that I wasn't impressed with lenovo build quality ...the G500 has a wide range of HW options so it's price can be anywhere from $600 US to $850
[11:14] <BluesKaj> I got it on sale for $500 US
[11:16] <BluesKaj> daftykins, depends on what one's definition is of low vs high I guess
[11:17] <daftykins> *nod*
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> howdy
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> hey pragmaticenigma
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> ive requested trigegr this morning pragmaticenigma
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade is The upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04.1 is now available, if you do not get offered for the upgrade: Press Alt+F2 and type update-manager -c into the command box. Please make a backup before upgrading.
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> now someone to add it :p
[14:53] <daftykins> could be forever!
[14:57] <blackflow> I had to harass people in #ubuntu-irc to get !snaps  added :)
[14:57] <blackflow> !snaps
[14:58] <tomreyn> i think you need to talk to pici
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> ah nice fix blackflow saw it added on newest factoids
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: it was ok to request few times, until ops see it
[14:58] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: weird it wasn't added already, with 'buntu betting so hard on snaps
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> true that blackflow
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> alot of new ones come out surely
[14:59] <tomreyn> the !snaps factoid makes a good addition. :) it should also point to #snappy
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> good idea tomreyn, could you request blackflow ?
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> nacc also needs to forward them there
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> always
[15:00] <blackflow> tomreyn: there's snappy separately
[15:00] <blackflow> !snappy
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> ah right
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> so snaps to explain and snappy to forward?
[15:01] <blackflow> but uh... that terminology is a mess. snappy is the tool but also the distribution....
[15:01] <blackflow> snaps and snappy aren't necessarily 100% related
[15:01] <blackflow> one could use snaps without ever touching snappy the distro.
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> thats true, ubuntu core runs also on IOT etc
[15:02] <BluesKaj> unfortunate choice of words
[15:02] <daftykins> s/runs/walks/ ;D
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> then we have flatpaks :p
[15:03] <blackflow> and appimage :)
[15:04]  * BluesKaj just uses the generic install, no snaps or flatpaks or sandboxing of any kind
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> well the regular user with ubuntu software wouldnt know the difference
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> he sees the software and installs it
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> but once installed, we have to forward to the maintainer
[16:05] <nacc> lotuspsychje: who do i need to forward where?
[16:05] <daftykins> i believe he means snap users with issues need to go to the maintainer of the snap
[16:07] <nacc> yes, i always do that
[16:07] <nacc> or at least try to; if i know they are using a snap :)
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats what i meant
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> nacc: we were discussing !snap vs !snappy
[16:30] <nacc> ah
[16:30] <nacc> yes i never understood why they were different
[17:54] <tomreyn> upcoming ubuntu.com relaunch http://www.ubuntu.com-pr-3899.run.demo.haus/
[21:03] <tomreyn> OpenSSH Username Enumeration  - http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2018/q3/124
[21:04] <tomreyn> since v2.3.0
[21:08] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Pich ! .. MS says they have a biggy too : https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/08/14/ubuntu-updates-for-l1-terminal-fault-vulnerabilities that ubuntu has a patch .
[21:10] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: MS as in microsoft? hows that related to the L1TF link you posted?
[21:11] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: The micro-code .. for Intel based systems .. best I recall .
[21:13] <tomreyn> yes L1TF affects pretty much all intel systems. the monthly intel swiss cheese bug.
[21:13] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Opps .. yeah not MicrroSoft at all .. my bad .. poor memory .
[21:14] <tomreyn> so is mine, all the time.
[21:59] <blackflow> tomreyn: oh you posted already, I just did in -hardened
[21:59]  * tomreyn 1st! ;-)
[21:59] <blackflow> :)
[22:00] <tomreyn> blackflow: as you were tlaking about sarnold's presentation at debconf the other day: did you also watch the cryptsetup one?
[22:00] <blackflow> tomreyn: not yet
[22:01] <blackflow> tomreyn: this one?  https://debconf18.debconf.org/talks/77-cryptsetup-in-debian-tips-tricks-and-future-plans/
[22:02] <tomreyn> looks like we might *finally* get some of those long awaited features, like proper puttyd integration ini initrd and actually working scripts for multipele alternative dm-crypt authentication mechanisms
[22:02] <tomreyn> yes
[22:02] <tomreyn> he's a DD, so they're working on busters' schedule
[22:03] <blackflow> oh that'd be nice. I know the latter is very much a PITA for a lot of admins
[22:03] <tomreyn> unfortunaltey this means we'll only have it for the next LTS
[22:03] <blackflow> unless SRU'd ?
[22:03] <tomreyn> that'd be great but i'll believe it when i see it
[22:03] <tomreyn> it'd be a feature SRU, which i think are rare
[22:04] <tomreyn> maybe there'l be a snap ;-P
[22:04] <blackflow> heh
[22:30] <Carbonme> Hello