| Babloyi | UPDATE FINALLY HERE :D | 05:15 |
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| Babloyi | now I go | 05:15 |
| Babloyi | that didn't go well at all... | 06:47 |
| sim642 | Babloyi, how so | 06:52 |
| Babloyi | a was told "Your system could not be upgraded properly". Then after I clicked OK on that, I was told "Your system has been upgraded" :D | 06:52 |
| Babloyi | now I've got a bunch of broken updates...which I think I fixed | 06:53 |
| Babloyi | except sopel which for some reason gives me a crash on startup (I haven't even set it to run on startup) | 06:53 |
| Babloyi | lets explore some more and see if everything is working | 06:54 |
| sim642 | Could've gone worse I guess. I'm gonna have to upgrade soon too, been waiting for it for long | 06:54 |
| Babloyi | good luck | 06:54 |
| escimo | My experience with upgrading LTS-versions is poor. It usually breaks something | 07:14 |
| escimo | But this time, it only broke some text in programs that were in the "system tray", such as PIA. But a reinstall of the program fixed the issue | 07:15 |
| Babloyi | yeah, my skype system tray icon seems to be distorted | 07:18 |
| Babloyi | but that's not really an issue ;D | 07:18 |
| sim642 | I've had some tray icons "zoomed in" for years now I think. Maybe happened with 16.04, never figured out what's the deal | 07:53 |
| sim642 | I have two machines with pretty much the same setup and the icons which are zoomed in are different and it makes no sense | 07:53 |
| Babloyi | it was fine before I upgraded, but Steam wasn't, and it is fine now :D | 07:54 |
| Babloyi | I've got 2 Wi-Fi icons on my system-tray, though :D | 07:54 |
| Spass | Babloyi, yeah, that issue with doubled tray icons is known, no solution yet, but as a workaround you can hide that second icon in the settings | 07:57 |
| Spass | it will show a small arrow to unhide/hide the chosen icons, but IMHO arrow looks better that two the same icons | 07:59 |
| Spass | I have this issue with Redshift also | 07:59 |
| Babloyi | done, I guess | 07:59 |
| Babloyi | thanks :D | 07:59 |
| Babloyi | also, speaking of, I'm not really fond of gmusicbrowser, there some other lightweight music player that plays nice with xubuntu? | 08:00 |
| Babloyi | cursory internet search suggests Audacious, QMMP or Sayonara | 08:00 |
| Spass | gmusicbrowser is no longer a default music player in Xubuntu 18.04 | 08:00 |
| Babloyi | oh, well, I upgraded to 18.04 right now | 08:01 |
| Babloyi | and that's all I have | 08:01 |
| Babloyi | what's the default? | 08:01 |
| knome | it's kept for you because you had it installed | 08:01 |
| Spass | yeah, Xubuntu only uses Parole now | 08:01 |
| Babloyi | I'm happy to remove it :D | 08:01 |
| Babloyi | oh | 08:01 |
| Babloyi | parole is a media player...seems more geared towards video? | 08:01 |
| Babloyi | I had parole on 16.04 as well, had never installed it (never used it either :D) | 08:02 |
| knome | to clarify what Spass said, xubuntu doesn't have a dedicated media *manager* any more | 08:02 |
| knome | parole can play audio for sure, but if you have a music library, it likely won't be enough for you | 08:02 |
| Spass | Rhythmbox works fine on my Xubuntu, and it integrates with the panel sound menu | 08:02 |
| knome | --> https://xubuntu.org/news/small-and-noisy/ | 08:03 |
| Babloyi | isn't it a bit finicky with large music libraries? | 08:03 |
| knome | so basically this: https://xubuntu.org/news/tag/my-media-manager/ | 08:03 |
| knome | Babloyi, please read what i said... | 08:03 |
| Babloyi | Rhythmbox | 08:03 |
| Babloyi | I was referring to what Spass suggested | 08:03 |
| knome | aha, sure. | 08:04 |
| knome | but check the last link i posted | 08:04 |
| knome | it has some other suggestions... | 08:04 |
| Babloyi | alright, thanks :D. The first one you linked was from 2016 :O | 08:04 |
| Babloyi | wait...they're all at least 2 years old | 08:05 |
| knome | yes, because this change *was* introduced for xubuntu 16.04 | 08:05 |
| knome | the content is still mainly accurate | 08:05 |
| Babloyi | I don't think Banshee has been updated in like...5 years :D | 08:05 |
| knome | ...but it still works? | 08:06 |
| Babloyi | I guess :D | 08:06 |
| Babloyi | I wish these lists pointed out the bad stuff too | 08:06 |
| knome | isn't all good and bad stuff subjective? | 08:06 |
| knome | except "there's a bug that stops this software from working completely"? | 08:07 |
| Babloyi | well, some players are heavier than others, some are more lightweight. Some have greater features, some have fewer. Some have stuff I don't need, some don't | 08:07 |
| knome | yes indeed | 08:07 |
| knome | "stuff *i* need" | 08:07 |
| Babloyi | :D | 08:08 |
| Babloyi | ignore that last point, then | 08:08 |
| knome | and some people definitely do prefer a lightweight one | 08:08 |
| knome | but that likely means it lacks some features they like | 08:08 |
| Babloyi | I mean, I wouldn't specifically look for it to mention stuff I need, but if it gives a comparison of features | 08:08 |
| Babloyi | like all that radio stuff, online lyric collection, internet related things | 08:08 |
| Babloyi | I don't need that | 08:08 |
| Spass | funny you're talking about music players, because I've just finished my small guide for Polish Xubuntu site like an hour ago... | 08:09 |
| Spass | https://xubuntu-pl.neocities.org/porady/odtwarzacze-muzyki.html | 08:09 |
| Spass | but I doubt it will be useful in that case :P | 08:09 |
| Babloyi | :D | 08:10 |
| Babloyi | now translate it | 08:10 |
| Spass | it's for ew users, so you probably know everything that's in it | 08:10 |
| knome | Babloyi, my final suggestion is to maybe focus on the positives; at least you have this much information at your hand; now go figure and try out yourself what suits best for you | 08:11 |
| knome | because you surely do have personal preferences... | 08:11 |
| Spass | s/ew/new | 08:11 |
| Babloyi | blargh | 08:12 |
| Babloyi | I'll just go with Audacious, I guess | 08:12 |
| knome | sorry for not chewing your food for you! | 08:13 |
| knome | (: | 08:13 |
| Babloyi | :O | 08:13 |
| Babloyi | yuck | 08:13 |
| knome | indeed... | 08:13 |
| Spass | Rhythmbox, Quod Libet, Clementine, Exaile, GNOME Music, Amarok, DeaDBeeF... happy testing :) | 08:13 |
| Babloyi | doesn't list Saynara OR Audacious :O | 08:13 |
| Babloyi | and Amarok uses KDE, doesn't it? | 08:14 |
| knome | Qt. | 08:14 |
| Babloyi | hmmmm | 08:14 |
| knome | (which is the toolkit used by KDE...) | 08:14 |
| Babloyi | I guess because it was the default on kubuntu, I figured it used KDE | 08:14 |
| Spass | Clementine is also Qt based, doesn't mean you can't use it on Xubuntu, like VLC | 08:15 |
| knome | see? Spass gave you more alternatives to pick from and the only thing you do is complain he didn't list everything available? | 08:15 |
| knome | clearly we can't win here... | 08:15 |
| Babloyi | :O | 08:15 |
| Babloyi | I'm not fighting, knome | 08:15 |
| Babloyi | I love you dearly | 08:15 |
| Spass | there's so many of them :) | 08:15 |
| knome | me neither, but you're asking for impossible things ;) | 08:15 |
| Babloyi | am I truly? | 08:15 |
| knome | you are asking us to tell which media manager is best for you, sure it's impossible | 08:16 |
| Babloyi | I didn't ask that :O | 08:16 |
| Babloyi | I asked what was the best lightweight music player for xubuntu | 08:16 |
| knome | mpd ;) | 08:16 |
| Babloyi | :D | 08:16 |
| knome | but | 08:16 |
| knome | "best" | 08:16 |
| Babloyi | terminal | 08:16 |
| knome | that's subjective | 08:16 |
| knome | so there we go... :P | 08:16 |
| Babloyi | alright, the most lightweight player for xubuntu that has a GUI :P | 08:17 |
| knome | why don't you try a few alternatives? | 08:17 |
| knome | gmusicbrowser. | 08:17 |
| Babloyi | really? | 08:17 |
| Babloyi | kept crashing on me | 08:17 |
| * knome shrugs | 08:17 | |
| knome | afaik.. | 08:17 |
| Babloyi | but maybe upgrading to 18.04 will have fixed that | 08:17 |
| knome | who knows, i don't even know what kind of crashes you had :) | 08:18 |
| knome | but seriously, if i were you, i'd try out a few alternatives | 08:18 |
| Babloyi | ok | 08:18 |
| knome | and if you want to avoid extra dependencies, avoid those that use Qt | 08:18 |
| knome | then you should be mostly fine, but every manager likely pulls in some extra dependencies | 08:19 |
| Babloyi | (I'll probably pick one to download and end up sticking with it out of laziness unless it has some major problem :D) | 08:19 |
| knome | whether that is acceptable for you or not is left for you to decide.. | 08:19 |
| knome | ultimately, i would personally pick any software that worked the best for me regardless of the "lightweightness" | 08:20 |
| Babloyi | well, lack of lightweightness is the issue I most often face | 08:20 |
| knome | though this does include the consideration that if any software is way too heavy for my system, it'll likely feel sluggish and then i'll just likely not prefer that.. | 08:20 |
| Babloyi | like, I have a library with music in the tens of thousands, so stuff that loads slowly is annoying | 08:20 |
| knome | gmusicbrowser is good with that kind of stuff | 08:21 |
| Babloyi | and then gmusicbrowser has these weird audio rendering issues | 08:21 |
| Babloyi | the music crackles :D | 08:21 |
| knome | not for me | 08:21 |
| Babloyi | which I thought was a problem with my earphones, but it turned out to be with everythin | 08:21 |
| knome | maybe you want to try another backend or something | 08:21 |
| Babloyi | I just upgraded to 18.04, so who knows, maybe it will work better now | 08:22 |
| Spass | Babloyi, I think Quod Libet should be on your shortlist to test, uses GTK, lightweight and modular (plugins) | 08:28 |
| Spass | and under active development | 08:28 |
| Spass | anyway, bbl | 08:28 |
| Babloyi | alright, thanks | 08:35 |
| Babloyi | hmmmm....pondering the stuff to remove for a fresh start...is there any use for abiword if I have mousepad and libreoffice writer? | 09:09 |
| Babloyi | it seems like a sort of inbetween text editor :D | 09:10 |
| === tsglove2 is now known as tsglove | ||
| sim642 | Ugh great: An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade. | 14:04 |
| sim642 | Got that fixed by removing ubuntu toolchain test PPA luckily | 14:24 |
| sim642 | Now my /boot is full and autoremove won't remove anything... | 14:24 |
| === pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka | ||
| zleap | hi can someone update the bot in the #xubuntu-unregistered channel so it points to the correct place toregister nicknames | 17:23 |
| zleap | please | 17:23 |
| zleap | https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration should be the correct link | 17:24 |
| sim642 | Finally managed the upgrade, I have no network manager UI anywhere anymore and the fonts look different | 20:15 |
| Spass | sim642, try adding Status Notifier plugin to the panel and check your font settings in the 'Appearance' | 20:20 |
| sim642 | The panel has both notification area and indicator plugin | 20:21 |
| sim642 | Just as before | 20:21 |
| sim642 | But like, no network settings in settings either | 20:21 |
| sim642 | Also, I know where to change it but I have no idea what it was before | 20:21 |
| sim642 | Was some default font changed? | 20:22 |
| Spass | "Status Notifier" is a new plugin, you need to add it | 20:22 |
| sim642 | That's even worse than the other two I have | 20:22 |
| sim642 | It just shows gtk-redshift, no dropbox nor sound either | 20:23 |
| Spass | "Indicators" are not really needed anymore, maybe you need to restart your panel | 20:23 |
| Spass | not sure about the default font settings, but I think nothing really changed there | 20:24 |
| sim642 | If indicators isn't needed then where should the audio indicator be | 20:25 |
| sim642 | and still, no network manager | 20:25 |
| Spass | there is a new sound plugin, PulseAudio, you need to add it | 20:25 |
| Spass | I'll show you the defaults in 1 sec | 20:26 |
| sim642 | So the indicator with media player controls included is now gone? | 20:26 |
| sim642 | I have default font as Sans 10 | 20:26 |
| sim642 | But it immediately stands out different than before upgrading, it's a small thing that you easily notice different | 20:27 |
| Spass | sim642, https://ibb.co/j9HYbU | 20:28 |
| Spass | you can control the media player from the new sound plugin | 20:29 |
| sim642 | Oh, they're just not listed there when not running? | 20:29 |
| Spass | you need to run them once to show up | 20:30 |
| sim642 | Noto Sans 10 looks more like what it was before but hmm, still feels slightly wrong, oh well | 20:30 |
| Spass | they should stay after that | 20:30 |
| sim642 | Oh ok | 20:30 |
| sim642 | Still, the missing network manager UI is kinda problematic | 20:30 |
| sim642 | I suppose I should have network-manager-gnome that provides nm-applet right? | 20:30 |
| Spass | network-manager and network-manager-gnome, yes | 20:31 |
| sim642 | I have the list of removed packages here and it doesn't seem like it was removed though | 20:31 |
| sim642 | so I'm confused | 20:31 |
| brainwash | open a terminal windows, and run "nm-applet" | 20:32 |
| brainwash | window | 20:32 |
| sim642 | I don't have it, that's the thing | 20:32 |
| sim642 | But now I really wanna know why | 20:32 |
| Spass | make sure you have it installed, if yes maybe try to reinstall | 20:32 |
| sim642 | Because I had it before | 20:32 |
| sim642 | apt's history.log says it should've been upgraded | 20:34 |
| sim642 | but it's removed now... | 20:35 |
| sim642 | Because if that package somehow disappeared without a trace, it's probably not the only thing | 20:36 |
| brainwash | this should have been properly logged though | 20:39 |
| sim642 | I found now in apt's term.log that it was removed | 20:39 |
| sim642 | But the new version was never installed | 20:39 |
| sim642 | Although history.log listed it under Upgrade: | 20:39 |
| sim642 | apt-cache still lists the older version like: 1.2.6-0ubuntu0.16.04.4 -1 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 20:40 |
| sim642 | Neither that nor the correct version being installed | 20:40 |
| brainwash | Candidate: 1.8.10-2ubuntu1 | 20:41 |
| brainwash | that version is listed? | 20:41 |
| sim642 | I have that too yes, uninstalled | 20:41 |
| sim642 | but I have the old version listed uninstalled too for some reason | 20:42 |
| sim642 | Which probably means something | 20:42 |
| brainwash | maybe because it is still present in the package cache | 20:42 |
| brainwash | and could be installed from there | 20:42 |
| brainwash | just a guess | 20:42 |
| sim642 | Status: deinstall ok config-files | 20:44 |
| sim642 | I feel like I'll need to have a script that double checks every package that apt promised to upgrade | 20:45 |
| brainwash | you could reinstall the meta package xubuntu-core (or xubuntu-desktop), and check what new packages it will pull in | 20:45 |
| sim642 | to check if it's installed | 20:45 |
| sim642 | because right now I'm not sure anything is correct anymore | 20:46 |
| brainwash | hence my suggestion | 20:47 |
| sim642 | Yeah, doing that now | 20:47 |
| sim642 | That's installing 74 new packages now, which is even more worrying | 20:48 |
| sim642 | And that doesn't cover any of the software I've installed on top of the clean system that may be missing in action | 20:49 |
| brainwash | indeed | 20:49 |
| sim642 | I still can't understand how apt would remove a package for upgrading and never install it back | 20:49 |
| Spass | not really related, but it may be a good idea to check "software-properties-gtk" settings on 'Other Software' tab, maybe some old repos are still enabled there | 20:50 |
| brainwash | well | 20:50 |
| sim642 | Spass, that's all disabled for now as it should be | 20:51 |
| brainwash | there should be an upgrade log, right? | 20:51 |
| sim642 | Well yes, there are two files apt keeps about this: history.log and apt.log | 20:51 |
| brainwash | something else | 20:51 |
| brainwash | /var/log/dist-upgrade/ | 20:52 |
| brainwash | got this? | 20:52 |
| sim642 | I already grepped that, it has no mentions of network-mananger-gnome even | 20:52 |
| sim642 | Besides the apt.log copy also there I think | 20:53 |
| brainwash | maybe hidden inside some .tar.gz? | 20:53 |
| sim642 | Which just lists it as to be upgraded too | 20:53 |
| sim642 | apt-clone_system_state.tar.gz is the only such thing there | 20:54 |
| brainwash | probably not in there | 20:54 |
| sim642 | Yeah | 20:54 |
| sim642 | apt's term.log is the most detailed thing about it, it actually has a trace of the package being removed at first | 20:55 |
| brainwash | my only explanation would be that the upgrade process was interrupted somehow, and the system then booted into a semi upgraded state | 20:55 |
| sim642 | Some error interrupted apt which required me to fix a problem manually but manually continuing dist-upgrade worked fine | 20:57 |
| sim642 | Seems like it somehow forgot a package between the two | 20:57 |
| sim642 | But AFAIK that's not supposed to happen, for the majority of packages it correctly knows it's supposed to continue upgrading them | 21:00 |
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