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lotuspsychjegood morning to all03:08
lotuspsychje!ltsupgrade05:37
ubot5Upgrades from 16.04 LTS will not be enabled until a few days after the 18.04.1 release expected in late July.05:37
lordievaderGood morning06:12
ducassegood morning06:21
lordievaderHey ducasse06:35
lordievaderHow are you doing?06:35
ducassehi lordievader - all well, thanks, and you?06:38
lordievaderDoing good here.06:38
lordievaderAnything interesting planned for today?06:38
ducassedark clouds today, maybe we'll get some of the rain we've been promised06:39
ducasseno major plans, think i'll start reading some books i picked up at the library, and might have to take a quick trip into the city centre06:40
ducassehow about you?06:40
lordievaderWork, work, work.08:10
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pauljwhi everyone11:42
ELQEYNNHow did the Zulus, of all people, come to develop their own Linux distro?11:49
lotuspsychjeELQEYNN: please no jokes here11:50
lotuspsychjeyeah he wined same question yesterday too11:51
leftyfbI know https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/nm3CgHj4B7/11:52
lotuspsychjeright11:53
leftyfbIt's ridiculous that the ops love to play the same game every time a troll acts up. Like this time is going to be different.11:54
lotuspsychjethey never change11:54
lotuspsychjetrolss are for life11:54
leftyfbNot always, but most of the time. And I've been pretty good determining this for the past 20 years I've been op on other channels11:55
lotuspsychjeleftyfb for ops in #ubuntu!11:55
leftyfbThese ops on the other hand don't seem to be able to determine a troll after 200 lines of garbage being posted to a channel or literally begging to be banned11:56
lotuspsychjeyeah11:57
leftyfbapparently that'll never happen. I've been told by multiple existing ops that I'll never be one. Also I haven't heard any sort of official response to my application11:57
lotuspsychjeleftyfb: UWN says there's a new vote for council11:59
leftyfbI won't be getting my hopes up.11:59
leftyfbThough at the very least they certainly need more11:59
leftyfbIt would be great to add a few from here12:00
lotuspsychjethere should be an easy vote system or so12:00
leftyfboh, don't assume anyone besides the exiting ops will be voting12:00
BluesKajHiyas all12:56
pauljwmorning BluesKaj13:03
BluesKaj'Morning pauljw13:04
pragmaticenigma'lo13:04
pauljwhi pragmaticenigma13:05
ducassewb BluesKaj13:13
BluesKajhey ducasse13:14
ducassehow are you today?13:15
BluesKajI'm fine, how about you ?13:15
ducasseall good, still waiting for the rain we were promised today13:16
BluesKajno rain predicted here 'til next week13:17
BluesKajforest fires all around us13:17
ducassescary13:18
BluesKajquite a distance away, but it's smokey depending on wind direction13:20
hggdhonly members of the Ubuntu IRC Members team in LP (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-members) can vote for the IRCC13:20
JimBuntuBluesKaj, Good morning... also, please put out your forest fires as we don't need any more smoke over here.13:20
BluesKajJimBuntu, send help :-)13:20
JimBuntuBluesKaj, International aid will go to whoever hasn't finished putting out their own fires first. It seems like NA is on fire.13:21
BluesKajmost help is probly already in California13:21
BluesKajwe have 20 firefighters from Mexico helping here13:22
BluesKajyeah, British Columbia, Alberta, Northern Ontario , California are burning13:23
JimBuntuDear Mexico, please send more firefighters, and ask your neighbors if they can spare some too.13:23
JimBuntuThere was an outbreak in one or more of the North Eastern USA states, but I think they got that under control pretty quick.13:24
ducassegreetings, JimBuntu13:25
BluesKaj143 fires in BC, we have 44 in NOnt13:25
JimBuntuI saw some interesting pictures the other day where the smoke could be seen stretching basically from the West coast nearly to the East coast.13:25
JimBuntuHiya ducasse13:25
JimBunture-open the bigger game season, to get a permit, you have to do 1 day helping the firefighters first. I'm sure the fires are pushing all kinds of animals out of where they should be.13:26
pragmaticenigmaWe're getting some interesting sunrises and sunsets because of the fires out west. Most mornings and afternoons have had some vivid red hues because of the smoke in the air13:28
BluesKajwell, duty calls, doing some cleanup in our garage/studio after a summer of dust and bug infestation...later gents14:19
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lotuspsychjegood evening to all16:57
lotuspsychjexenial box at my aunt has working realtek network card again16:57
lotuspsychje!info linux-image-generic xenial16:58
ubot5linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.133.139 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 14 kB16:58
lotuspsychjewhat current hwe kernel for xenial again?16:59
nacc!hwe | lotuspsychje17:02
ubot5lotuspsychje: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack17:02
nacchttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2FSupport.A16.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support17:02
naccspecifically17:03
naccshould be 4.4 and 4.15 only on 16.04 now17:03
lotuspsychjenacc: same as bionic? saw indeed auto kernel cleanup 4.15..something17:03
nacclotuspsychje: yes, typically the case (3 months after each release, LTS get HWE stack)17:04
lotuspsychjeah tnx17:04
JimBuntuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack17:04
naccthere's also -edge or whatever, but i tend to ignore it17:05
lotuspsychjeso that makes sense, xenial updates made the realtek work again after months on 4.1317:05
lotuspsychjegonna add it to bug report17:05
lotuspsychjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/176938617:08
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1769386 in Arch Linux "Cable network does not get recognized anymore, wifi works" [Undecided,New]17:08
lotuspsychjetnx nacc JimBuntu17:08
lotuspsychjelets hope she can use the realtek a bit longer now17:09
lotuspsychjebionic upgrade window also showed up, so nicely17:11
tomreynwhat's trhe current workaround for nvidia prima on bionic?17:33
tomreyn*prime17:33
lotuspsychje!info nvidia-prime17:34
ubot5nvidia-prime (source: nvidia-prime): Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.8 (bionic), package size 8 kB, installed size 50 kB17:34
lotuspsychjetomreyn: when installing the nvidia driver, prime should also be installed, for cards that allow optimus17:35
lotuspsychjebut we having alot of users with GTX cards getting stuck on black screens on current bionic driver17:36
lotuspsychje!info nvidia-driver-39017:37
ubot5nvidia-driver-390 (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-390): NVIDIA driver metapackage. In component restricted, is optional. Version 390.48-0ubuntu3 (bionic), package size 368 kB, installed size 1066 kB17:37
lotuspsychje.48 gives alot of problems17:37
tomreynmy understanding (not sure where i have it from or whether it's still correct) is that prime currently doesn't work on bionic (due to the nvidia company not producing drivers which work reliably with current linux versions).17:38
tomreyn... or not in time17:38
lotuspsychjei havent encountered optimus issues yet in main on bionic tomreyn you?17:39
tomreyni think a ppa was mentioned, and that there is work under way to enable users to disable the discrete graphics entirely so at least the integrated graphics can be used reliably for now.17:40
lotuspsychjethe main problems on optimus in the past were, they need to match the right nvidia driver for the card (driver working best)17:40
tomreynlotuspsychje: yes, someone else had similar issues, we worked around it by making linux ignore the hardware at boot17:40
tomreynand i think i've seen a couple more reports about prime setups not working with 18.04 in #ubuntu lately. but not sure how they were solved, or whether.17:42
lotuspsychjetomreyn: ill keep an eye on those specially ok17:42
tomreyni dont run nvidia anywehre, so don't have good experience there17:42
tomreynthanks17:43
lotuspsychjetomreyn: what i have seen most as fixing now is: 390.77 396.48 from graphics ppa & the nvidia drivers from website17:44
tomreynwhat is "graphics ppa"?17:44
lotuspsychjetomreyn: ubuntu graphics ppa sorry17:44
lotuspsychjeor oibaf17:44
tomreynthis one? https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa17:45
tomreynprobably17:45
lotuspsychjeyes17:46
lotuspsychjeand same launchpad for oibaf17:46
tomreynthanks, oibaf i know, just didnt know there was a canonical ppa for nvidia17:48
lotuspsychjehandy when default things temporary dotn work17:48
pragmaticenigma!ltsupgrade17:52
ubot5Upgrades from 16.04 LTS will not be enabled until a few days after the 18.04.1 release expected in late July.17:52
pragmaticenigmahehe17:52
tomreyn:-/17:52
lotuspsychjedidnt came tru, dang17:54
lotuspsychjelemme try again guys17:54
lotuspsychje<ubottu> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail17:54
lotuspsychjetomreyn: remember wich driver version arpad has?17:57
tomreynlotuspsychje: no, but it should be somewhere in their two termbin posts18:02
tomreyn[    73.496] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module  390.48  Wed Mar 21 23:42:56 PDT 201818:03
lotuspsychjeok tnx18:03
pragmaticenigmasucks to be ask... I had the exact same issue with a drive... worked fine until Ubuntu took control of the machine18:53
pragmaticenigmaI solved it... too bad from them18:53
pragmaticenigmafor*18:54
lotuspsychjehe's monologueing18:54
pragmaticenigmaThey're impatient and expecting someone to have the answer in an instant18:54
pragmaticenigmaMom prolly bought 'em a 'puter for their b-day18:55
lotuspsychjeand more, they expect to be how they think18:55
pragmaticenigmaIt's not a BIOS issue. And I know they didn't do as I had asked, because the eject command would have given them feed back that would have helped trouble shoot... same with dmesg which they refuse to provide19:00
pragmaticenigmaif only ioria was in here19:01
lotuspsychjeindeed pragmaticenigma just tested on my dvd-less netbook: instant error19:01
lotuspsychjeleftyfb: also known troll ubu..19:21
leftyfbnot really a troll, Just very uneducated19:21
leftyfband a bit of a pain19:21
lotuspsychjelol19:21
pragmaticenigmaCan we turn back on +R again for the room?19:25
lotuspsychjethen it will be even more dead pragmaticenigma19:26
hggdhnacc: I think this was enough21:51
nacchggdh: yeah, sorry if i escalated21:51
naccthey have most disparaged ubuntu in my interactions with them over a few days21:52
hggdhnacc: you did not.21:52
nacchonestly never heard someone say they couldn't find the bug tracker :)21:52
hggdhI have, but all of them quickly found themselves the correct link, and then it was just trying to learn to report a bug21:53
naccyeah21:53
nacci could see that, but they weren't even to that point21:53
naccthey also asked why we couldn't just use what FreeBSD had built for some package21:53
naccall rather strange21:54
hggdhindeed21:54
naccand they're back21:54
hggdhbut their questions have almost always been bordering the weird21:54
hggdhand... I am pretty sure they will add me to their /ignore list. It will be fun21:56
naccheh21:56
* hggdh grabs some popcorn22:09
nacclol22:09
leftyfb:)22:09
leftyfbI'm all riled up from a "discussion" from our makerspace. I might enjoy this a bit22:10
daftykinshttps://media.giphy.com/media/dnP2VxYVlW2NW/giphy.gif22:10
daftykinsrelevant :) if you can excuse the commonplace illiteracy style22:10
hggdh:-)22:12
leftyfbtada22:22
tomreynnacc: launchpad new account registration is apparently broken currently. i was able to reproduce what was stated in #ubuntu22:22
nacctomreyn: i see22:22
naccyeah i saw your comments #lp22:22
tomreynoh ok22:22
nacchopefully cjwatson or wgrant respond22:22
nacci no longer have much power to do anything about it :)22:22
tomreynwe shall see, earlier or later someone will surely handle it22:23
daftykinsnothing like the irony of a bug in the bug reporting account reg22:23
tomreynit's a system, systems fails occasionally, it's unpleasent in this case but it cant be prevented really.22:24
naccit's a *complex* system too22:24
naccwhich makes it an invariant that there will be afilures22:24
naccit's a long tail of them, arguably22:24
leftyfblooks like installing from pip is broken too :/22:24
leftyfbhttps://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/N3dMFPGQhY/22:25
daftykinslet's not forget the line of work we're all in when stating the obvious :)22:25
naccheh22:26
leftyfbhe's gonna be mad22:28
leftyfbunless it's just an issue on my end with my container22:29
leftyfbguess it's just a container issue22:31
leftyfbhttps://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KhybFYwbBx/22:33
leftyfbthere's some weird order of operations with purging/installing subliminal and it's deps with apt/pip, but it eventually worked22:33
leftyfbok, i'm out ... cyas :)22:34
daftykinso/22:34
tomreynquote form #ubuntu-kernel: "I'm seeing files disappearing on my btrfs system on 4.17 (a few each day). I guess I'll revert to 4.15 and see if that is affected too."23:24
tomreyni know why i prefer ext423:24
daftykins:S pretty much never heard of anyone with a smooth sailing experience with btrfs23:25
nacclol23:25
daftykinsi'm gonna start reading it as 'butter file system' from now on, i think23:25
naccthat's how it was pronounced by most when it was introduced23:26
hggdhyes. And it seems it is behaving pretty much like warm butter23:27
daftykins:>23:29

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