[03:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade
[06:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:21] <ducasse> good morning
[06:35] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:35] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:38] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well, thanks, and you?
[06:38] <lordievader> Doing good here.
[06:38] <lordievader> Anything interesting planned for today?
[06:39] <ducasse> dark clouds today, maybe we'll get some of the rain we've been promised
[06:40] <ducasse> no major plans, think i'll start reading some books i picked up at the library, and might have to take a quick trip into the city centre
[06:40] <ducasse> how about you?
[08:10] <lordievader> Work, work, work.
[11:42] <pauljw> hi everyone
[11:49] <ELQEYNN> How did the Zulus, of all people, come to develop their own Linux distro?
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> ELQEYNN: please no jokes here
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> yeah he wined same question yesterday too
[11:52] <leftyfb> I know https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/nm3CgHj4B7/
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> right
[11:54] <leftyfb> It's ridiculous that the ops love to play the same game every time a troll acts up. Like this time is going to be different.
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> they never change
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> trolss are for life
[11:55] <leftyfb> Not always, but most of the time. And I've been pretty good determining this for the past 20 years I've been op on other channels
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb for ops in #ubuntu!
[11:56] <leftyfb> These ops on the other hand don't seem to be able to determine a troll after 200 lines of garbage being posted to a channel or literally begging to be banned
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[11:57] <leftyfb> apparently that'll never happen. I've been told by multiple existing ops that I'll never be one. Also I haven't heard any sort of official response to my application
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: UWN says there's a new vote for council
[11:59] <leftyfb> I won't be getting my hopes up.
[11:59] <leftyfb> Though at the very least they certainly need more
[12:00] <leftyfb> It would be great to add a few from here
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> there should be an easy vote system or so
[12:00] <leftyfb> oh, don't assume anyone besides the exiting ops will be voting
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:03] <pauljw> morning BluesKaj
[13:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[13:04] <pragmaticenigma> 'lo
[13:05] <pauljw> hi pragmaticenigma
[13:13] <ducasse> wb BluesKaj
[13:14] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse
[13:15] <ducasse> how are you today?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> I'm fine, how about you ?
[13:16] <ducasse> all good, still waiting for the rain we were promised today
[13:17] <BluesKaj> no rain predicted here 'til next week
[13:17] <BluesKaj> forest fires all around us
[13:18] <ducasse> scary
[13:20] <BluesKaj> quite a distance away, but it's smokey depending on wind direction
[13:20] <hggdh> only members of the Ubuntu IRC Members team in LP (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-members) can vote for the IRCC
[13:20] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, Good morning... also, please put out your forest fires as we don't need any more smoke over here.
[13:20] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, send help :-)
[13:21] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, International aid will go to whoever hasn't finished putting out their own fires first. It seems like NA is on fire.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> most help is probly already in California
[13:22] <BluesKaj> we have 20 firefighters from Mexico helping here
[13:23] <BluesKaj> yeah, British Columbia, Alberta, Northern Ontario , California are burning
[13:23] <JimBuntu> Dear Mexico, please send more firefighters, and ask your neighbors if they can spare some too.
[13:24] <JimBuntu> There was an outbreak in one or more of the North Eastern USA states, but I think they got that under control pretty quick.
[13:25] <ducasse> greetings, JimBuntu
[13:25] <BluesKaj> 143 fires in BC, we have 44 in NOnt
[13:25] <JimBuntu> I saw some interesting pictures the other day where the smoke could be seen stretching basically from the West coast nearly to the East coast.
[13:25] <JimBuntu> Hiya ducasse
[13:26] <JimBuntu> re-open the bigger game season, to get a permit, you have to do 1 day helping the firefighters first. I'm sure the fires are pushing all kinds of animals out of where they should be.
[13:28] <pragmaticenigma> We're getting some interesting sunrises and sunsets because of the fires out west. Most mornings and afternoons have had some vivid red hues because of the smoke in the air
[14:19] <BluesKaj> well, duty calls, doing some cleanup in our garage/studio after a summer of dust and bug infestation...later gents
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> xenial box at my aunt has working realtek network card again
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> what current hwe kernel for xenial again?
[17:02] <nacc> !hwe | lotuspsychje
[17:02] <nacc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2FSupport.A16.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support
[17:03] <nacc> specifically
[17:03] <nacc> should be 4.4 and 4.15 only on 16.04 now
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> nacc: same as bionic? saw indeed auto kernel cleanup 4.15..something
[17:04] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yes, typically the case (3 months after each release, LTS get HWE stack)
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx
[17:04] <JimBuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack
[17:05] <nacc> there's also -edge or whatever, but i tend to ignore it
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> so that makes sense, xenial updates made the realtek work again after months on 4.13
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> gonna add it to bug report
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1769386
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> tnx nacc JimBuntu
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> lets hope she can use the realtek a bit longer now
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> bionic upgrade window also showed up, so nicely
[17:33] <tomreyn> what's trhe current workaround for nvidia prima on bionic?
[17:33] <tomreyn> *prime
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-prime
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: when installing the nvidia driver, prime should also be installed, for cards that allow optimus
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> but we having alot of users with GTX cards getting stuck on black screens on current bionic driver
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-driver-390
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> .48 gives alot of problems
[17:38] <tomreyn> my understanding (not sure where i have it from or whether it's still correct) is that prime currently doesn't work on bionic (due to the nvidia company not producing drivers which work reliably with current linux versions).
[17:38] <tomreyn> ... or not in time
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> i havent encountered optimus issues yet in main on bionic tomreyn you?
[17:40] <tomreyn> i think a ppa was mentioned, and that there is work under way to enable users to disable the discrete graphics entirely so at least the integrated graphics can be used reliably for now.
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> the main problems on optimus in the past were, they need to match the right nvidia driver for the card (driver working best)
[17:40] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: yes, someone else had similar issues, we worked around it by making linux ignore the hardware at boot
[17:42] <tomreyn> and i think i've seen a couple more reports about prime setups not working with 18.04 in #ubuntu lately. but not sure how they were solved, or whether.
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: ill keep an eye on those specially ok
[17:42] <tomreyn> i dont run nvidia anywehre, so don't have good experience there
[17:43] <tomreyn> thanks
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: what i have seen most as fixing now is: 390.77 396.48 from graphics ppa & the nvidia drivers from website
[17:44] <tomreyn> what is "graphics ppa"?
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: ubuntu graphics ppa sorry
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> or oibaf
[17:45] <tomreyn> this one? https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:45] <tomreyn> probably
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> yes
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> and same launchpad for oibaf
[17:48] <tomreyn> thanks, oibaf i know, just didnt know there was a canonical ppa for nvidia
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> handy when default things temporary dotn work
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> !ltsupgrade
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> hehe
[17:52] <tomreyn> :-/
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> didnt came tru, dang
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> lemme try again guys
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[17:57] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: remember wich driver version arpad has?
[18:02] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: no, but it should be somewhere in their two termbin posts
[18:03] <tomreyn> [    73.496] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module  390.48  Wed Mar 21 23:42:56 PDT 2018
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> sucks to be ask... I had the exact same issue with a drive... worked fine until Ubuntu took control of the machine
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> I solved it... too bad from them
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> for*
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> he's monologueing
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> They're impatient and expecting someone to have the answer in an instant
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> Mom prolly bought 'em a 'puter for their b-day
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> and more, they expect to be how they think
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> It's not a BIOS issue. And I know they didn't do as I had asked, because the eject command would have given them feed back that would have helped trouble shoot... same with dmesg which they refuse to provide
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> if only ioria was in here
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> indeed pragmaticenigma just tested on my dvd-less netbook: instant error
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: also known troll ubu..
[19:21] <leftyfb> not really a troll, Just very uneducated
[19:21] <leftyfb> and a bit of a pain
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> Can we turn back on +R again for the room?
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> then it will be even more dead pragmaticenigma
[21:51] <hggdh> nacc: I think this was enough
[21:51] <nacc> hggdh: yeah, sorry if i escalated
[21:52] <nacc> they have most disparaged ubuntu in my interactions with them over a few days
[21:52] <hggdh> nacc: you did not.
[21:52] <nacc> honestly never heard someone say they couldn't find the bug tracker :)
[21:53] <hggdh> I have, but all of them quickly found themselves the correct link, and then it was just trying to learn to report a bug
[21:53] <nacc> yeah
[21:53] <nacc> i could see that, but they weren't even to that point
[21:53] <nacc> they also asked why we couldn't just use what FreeBSD had built for some package
[21:54] <nacc> all rather strange
[21:54] <hggdh> indeed
[21:54] <nacc> and they're back
[21:54] <hggdh> but their questions have almost always been bordering the weird
[21:56] <hggdh> and... I am pretty sure they will add me to their /ignore list. It will be fun
[21:56] <nacc> heh
[22:09]  * hggdh grabs some popcorn
[22:09] <nacc> lol
[22:09] <leftyfb> :)
[22:10] <leftyfb> I'm all riled up from a "discussion" from our makerspace. I might enjoy this a bit
[22:10] <daftykins> https://media.giphy.com/media/dnP2VxYVlW2NW/giphy.gif
[22:10] <daftykins> relevant :) if you can excuse the commonplace illiteracy style
[22:12] <hggdh> :-)
[22:22] <leftyfb> tada
[22:22] <tomreyn> nacc: launchpad new account registration is apparently broken currently. i was able to reproduce what was stated in #ubuntu
[22:22] <nacc> tomreyn: i see
[22:22] <nacc> yeah i saw your comments #lp
[22:22] <tomreyn> oh ok
[22:22] <nacc> hopefully cjwatson or wgrant respond
[22:22] <nacc> i no longer have much power to do anything about it :)
[22:23] <tomreyn> we shall see, earlier or later someone will surely handle it
[22:23] <daftykins> nothing like the irony of a bug in the bug reporting account reg
[22:24] <tomreyn> it's a system, systems fails occasionally, it's unpleasent in this case but it cant be prevented really.
[22:24] <nacc> it's a *complex* system too
[22:24] <nacc> which makes it an invariant that there will be afilures
[22:24] <nacc> it's a long tail of them, arguably
[22:24] <leftyfb> looks like installing from pip is broken too :/
[22:25] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/N3dMFPGQhY/
[22:25] <daftykins> let's not forget the line of work we're all in when stating the obvious :)
[22:26] <nacc> heh
[22:28] <leftyfb> he's gonna be mad
[22:29] <leftyfb> unless it's just an issue on my end with my container
[22:31] <leftyfb> guess it's just a container issue
[22:33] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KhybFYwbBx/
[22:33] <leftyfb> there's some weird order of operations with purging/installing subliminal and it's deps with apt/pip, but it eventually worked
[22:34] <leftyfb> ok, i'm out ... cyas :)
[22:34] <daftykins> o/
[23:24] <tomreyn> quote form #ubuntu-kernel: "I'm seeing files disappearing on my btrfs system on 4.17 (a few each day). I guess I'll revert to 4.15 and see if that is affected too."
[23:24] <tomreyn> i know why i prefer ext4
[23:25] <daftykins> :S pretty much never heard of anyone with a smooth sailing experience with btrfs
[23:25] <nacc> lol
[23:25] <daftykins> i'm gonna start reading it as 'butter file system' from now on, i think
[23:26] <nacc> that's how it was pronounced by most when it was introduced
[23:27] <hggdh> yes. And it seems it is behaving pretty much like warm butter
[23:29] <daftykins> :>