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[05:22] <wxl> @tsimonq2: so i've spent all night faffing around with compiling libfm-qt/pcmanfm-qt to confirm that using pkexec for the switch user command fails, even upstream. however, the default for upstream, lxqt-sudo, which we appear to have on our install, works fine. platform requirement?
[05:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: Could you be more clear about your question?
[05:24] <wxl> @tsimonq2: why are we using pkexec, which appears to be problematic, versus using lxqt-sudo? Tool → Open As Root in pcmanfm-qt if you want to see the silent fail of pkexec. or kill pcmanfm-qt and run it in a terminal to see it complain (dead parents)
[05:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: In that case, let's use lxqt-sudo :)
[05:25] <wxl> i mean i just odn't know why we changed it
[05:25] <wxl> it's not the upstream standard
[05:25] <tsimonq2> Where did we change it?
[05:26] <wxl> and i can't imagine debian changed it. undoubtably agaida would crap himself
[05:26] <wxl> well we have to figure out where it's from
[05:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: Try looking in lubuntu-default-settings.
[05:26] <tsimonq2> Our XDG settings.
[05:27] <wxl> yeah i'm getting there
[05:28] <wxl> it's all your fault
[05:28] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS4a3fafc80834a8d167702f92c02d02bcd12c024d
[05:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: Well, that shouldn't say gksu 'cause that's stupid. XD
[05:28] <tsimonq2> But yeah, throw me a diff fixing it.
[05:32] <wxl> working on it
[05:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: By the way, we hit 4,000 Twitter followers.
[05:51]  * tsimonq2 yawns.
[05:51] <tsimonq2> wxl: I need to hit the hay.
[05:51] <wxl> oh nice
[05:51] <tsimonq2> You have ~ 5 mins ;)
[05:51] <wxl> sorry, we were watching Travellers
[05:51] <wxl> we turned it off
[05:51] <tsimonq2> hehe
[05:51] <tsimonq2> np
[05:52] <wxl> packaging wiki helped
[05:52] <tsimonq2> Oh really? :D
[05:52] <wxl> yep. actually, the quiltrc helped a ton
[05:52] <tsimonq2> From r/Linux, btw:
[05:52] <tsimonq2> ITT: uninformed comments from people hating on Mir who don't even know that what Mir is. Mir is a compositor that now supports the Wayland protocol. This has nothing to do with the failed Mir API that was a competitor to Wayland. Global hotkeys and screen recording works on Mir.
[05:53] <tsimonq2> So this is a good thing, unless you want every desktop environment to have to reinvent the wheel and write their own wayland compositor with incompatible features. Want screen recording? You need KDE. Want gamma/redshift you need GNOME. Want global hot keys?, You need to switch to sway. Wayland has fractured the Desktop. Mir is helping to put the pieces back together.
[05:53] <tsimonq2> SOMEONE is smart.
[05:53] <tsimonq2> Otherwise, awesome :D
[05:53] <wxl> so let me ask you about your workflow
[05:53] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[05:53] <wxl> you have a git repo in which you do your arc'ing
[05:53] <wxl> and then obviously you have the source (i assume you pull-lp-source your way to it)
[05:54] <tsimonq2> I see where you're going with this.
[05:54] <tsimonq2> And, no XD
[05:54] <wxl> after you've done the work of making the patch in the source, do you just copy the patch directory over to your git repo?
[05:54] <tsimonq2> I usually `uscan --download-current-version` then extract the tar into the Git repo, do the changes, then `rm -rf !(debian) .pc/`
[05:55] <wxl> huh cool ok, i'll give that a go next time
[05:55] <tsimonq2> Sure.
[05:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: Did you have that diff handy and ready to go or can I go to bed? ;)
[05:59] <wxl> almost there
[05:59] <wxl> on the way
[06:05] <wxl> huh. i just tried uscan on the nm-tray folder i still have laying around and it failed
[06:05] <wxl> no matching hrefs for version 0.4.0 but that's definiately one of the tags 
 @wxl, Try wgetting it manually
 Alternatively, just get the tar from LP
 !upkg nm-tray
[06:06] <wxl> hahahah what's that factoid?
 (Yes, that's a bang. :P)
 It's a DuckDuckGo query!
[06:06] <wxl> oh huh
[06:11] <wxl> um
[06:11] <wxl> so you don't want it changed?
[06:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: See again.
[06:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: btw you should totes join #mir-server.
[06:12] <wxl> k
[06:12] <wxl> surprised by the need for a new changelog entry
[06:13] <tsimonq2> 1.9 is already in the archive.
[06:13] <wxl> oh duh
[06:14] <wxl> and so this is 2.0?
[06:14] <tsimonq2> no
[06:14] <tsimonq2> semver
[06:14] <tsimonq2> 1.10
[06:14] <wxl> k
[06:15] <wxl> do you have to dch -r releasename?
[06:15] <tsimonq2> nope
[06:15] <wxl> huh
[06:15] <tsimonq2> Should autodetect it, if you're on Cosmic.
[06:15] <wxl> well i am running on bionic
[06:15] <tsimonq2> Otherwise just sed it manually. XD
[06:16] <wxl> there we go
[06:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: 1.10
[06:17] <wxl> oh wth
[06:17] <wxl> stupid dch -r messed it up!
[06:17] <wxl> somtimes that command is dumb as a bag of rocks
[06:17] <tsimonq2> No, it expects the packager to have common sense XD
[06:17] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[06:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: By the way, you'll like this casper upload I just sponsored: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/1.395
[06:21] <wxl> what's with the diff on changelog?
[06:21] <wxl> whitespace changes?
[06:21] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[06:21] <wxl> boo
[06:21] <tsimonq2> I have a Vim macro :)
[06:21] <wxl> oh we consider that a feature then? :/
[06:22]  * wxl grumbles something about unreadable
[06:22] <tsimonq2> Huh?
[06:22] <tsimonq2> :P
[06:22] <wxl> that is such an easy fix re: empty pasword
[06:22] <tsimonq2> Enjoy: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/1.10
[06:22] <tsimonq2> It is.
[06:23] <wxl> yay thx
[06:23] <tsimonq2> np
[06:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: We should eventually work on getting you PPU for the Lubuntu packageset, if you're up for it :)
[06:23] <wxl> yep
[06:23] <tsimonq2> So I can go to bed and not have to wait for you XD
[06:24] <wxl> working on this little stuff will go a long way
[06:24] <tsimonq2> Absolutely.
[06:24] <wxl> i nearly forget everything i did as a kubuntu yellow belt
[06:24] <tsimonq2> Thank you so much!
[06:24] <tsimonq2> hahaha
[06:24] <tsimonq2> No worries.
[06:24] <wxl> hey that reminds me
[06:24] <wxl> next newsletter let's do a big bold call for people to really hard test things
[06:25] <wxl> like, not just follow install testcases
[06:25] <wxl> but try every single piece of every single little function there is
[06:25] <tsimonq2> Good idea.
[06:25] <wxl> maybe we make a schedule for it even on the wiki
[06:25] <tsimonq2> I'll set it up, but you wanna write out that part? :)
[06:25] <wxl> people can sign up for a particular package they want to beat on
[06:25] <tsimonq2> You can Just Push It if you want to.
[06:25] <tsimonq2> Fo sho
[06:25] <wxl> yeah sure
[06:25] <wxl> just saying it out loud so one or both of us can remember to do it :)
[06:25] <tsimonq2> Right.
[06:26] <wxl> because that's how i've been uncovering all these bugs
[06:26] <wxl> lifting up rocks :)
[06:26] <wxl> we have to remember the importance of doing this because what we're doing right now is a vast change in functionality relative to the past, so it needs a different approach
[06:27] <wxl> we haven't had any testing like this in a long, long time
[06:27] <wxl> probably back to when lsc first came out :/
[06:27] <tsimonq2> eew
[06:27] <tsimonq2> hehe
[06:27] <tsimonq2> But yeah, I'm totally with you here.
[06:27] <tsimonq2> And if you have the time/energy, it'd be cool to get you to drive it. :)
[06:27] <wxl> could you build up a little table of all the packages?
[06:27] <tsimonq2> After I sleep. ;)
[06:27] <wxl> i'll work on a write up
[06:27] <wxl> yeah of course
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[06:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: So, do whatever you want in posts/newsletter/10/post.md but don't remove "NOTICE"
[06:28] <tsimonq2> It's a placeholder.
[06:28] <tsimonq2> Otherwise, go ham.
[06:29] <wxl> k
[06:29] <tsimonq2> I should 😴   for real here. o/
[06:29] <wxl> see yuz
[06:29] <wxl> oh
[06:29] <tsimonq2> oh?
[06:29] <wxl> one last thing before you go
[06:29] <tsimonq2> yeah
[06:29] <wxl> last thing i promise
[06:29] <wxl> qt migration?
[06:29] <wxl> we going to get together on that still?
[06:29] <wxl> or did you just mainline a bunch of coffee? :)
[06:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: Really, it's just about reading and understanding this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[06:30] <tsimonq2> Interpret this: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[06:30] <tsimonq2> And then this thing: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[06:31] <tsimonq2> The latter reeeaaaaallllly sucks, but slangasek gave me a script Laney wrote. Finding...
[06:31] <tsimonq2> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-archive-tools/update-output-helper/view/head:/update-output-helper
[06:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: There's really no expertise required, just the ability to soak in everything the wiki says.
[06:32] <tsimonq2> Pointers would be appreciated but I just haven't had the time :(
[06:32] <wxl> so you know what you're doing here or no?
[06:32] <tsimonq2> I do.
[06:32] <wxl> ok
[06:32] <wxl> so just need help doing it
[06:32] <tsimonq2> It's just one big pile of mess.
[06:32] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[06:32] <wxl> ok, well, we'll put our heads together at some point
[06:33] <wxl> maybe crack of dawn saturday
[06:33] <tsimonq2> It'll take me like six hours to intepret exactly what all of this is doing on my own.
[06:33] <tsimonq2> Sure, Saturday works.
[06:33] <wxl> like 6 my time
[06:33] <tsimonq2> wfm
[06:33] <wxl> that's like 9 yours!
[06:33] <tsimonq2> 8
[06:33] <wxl> bah don't be a baby
[06:33] <wxl> :)
[06:34] <wxl> fine, 6:30
[06:34] <tsimonq2> Worst case scenario I'm having dinner with slangasek on Wednesday. XD
[06:34] <wxl> nice
[06:34] <tsimonq2> But yeah, 6:30 Eastern^MPacific works.
[06:34] <tsimonq2> XD
[06:35] <wxl> when you uscan i assume you -destdir something?
[06:35] <tsimonq2> Nope. ;)
[06:35] <tsimonq2> Regardless, I'm super happy with how this cycle's going. I think this is the most work-filled cycle Lubuntu has had in a while, at least since I joined.
[06:36] <wxl> wth sort of weird history expansion is that !(debian) business?
[06:36] <wxl> well a lot of that has to do with you. i mean not only the work you're doing but steering the boat.
[06:37] <tsimonq2> I think you're right :)
[06:37] <tsimonq2> But I dunno, Bash just DTRT here
[06:37] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[06:37] <tsimonq2> I seriously need to sleep
[06:37] <tsimonq2> bai
[06:37] <wxl> o/
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[15:16] <wxl> would be nice if WE understood this better @tsimonq2 https://cmpwn.com/@sir/100565872170217951 XD
[16:42] <wxl> @tsimonq2: https://github.com/wizbright/waybox
[16:46] <WizBright> oh hai
[16:58] <wxl> oh now that's just funny.
[16:58] <wxl> how long have you been lurking here WizBright ? :)
[17:02] <WizBright> just today lol
[17:02] <WizBright> :)
[17:14] <wxl> well good to have you
[17:15] <WizBright> I was interested when I saw the announcement
[17:15] <wxl> i bet
[17:15] <wxl> it's all pretty new stuff
[17:16] <wxl> right now we're working hard at making the switch from lxde -> lxqt so that announcement is more future than anything but we've got it cooking on the back burner
[17:19] <wxl> WizBright: what's your normal distro of choice?
[17:23] <WizBright> I'm on arch
[17:24] <wxl> wow not even a debian relative. thanks for giving us the time of day ;)
[17:27] <WizBright> I've been on linux mint, debian (at one point, I think it was stable), and then arch for the past few years
[17:27] <wxl> how's mir from aur?
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[17:29] <WizBright> I haven't tried it to be honest.
[17:30] <WizBright> I've been on openbox after I found it
[17:30] <WizBright> I will give it a try
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[17:30] <wxl> love to hear what you think, especially given your openbox leanings
[18:33] <sircmpwn> hi there
[18:39] <WizBright> o/ sircmpwn 
[18:41] <wxl> wow it's a mastoparty in here
[18:42] <sircmpwn> nice announcement today
[18:42] <sircmpwn> if you need any help with qtlayershell or wayland in general, feel free to ping me
 Hey hey hey :D
 Welcome to the party!
[18:43] <wxl> as i said to WizBright earlier, we're kind of looking into the distant future. this cycle, we're working really hard on the transition from lxde to lxqt. once that settles out, we can focus a little more on the wayland business
[18:43] <sircmpwn> last time I spoke with lxqt about wayland they weren't particularly friendly
[18:43] <sircmpwn> good luck
[18:48] <wxl> yikes https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/10
 They want to do it via KWin.
 I don't care if we have to freaking fork: I'm not doing it via KWin.
[18:53] <WizBright> Yeah, that issue is... a mess.
 I haven't read the whole thing to be honest.
 I noped out real quick when someone said "systemd"
[18:53] <wxl> it calms down a bit after a while
 Wow, look at this blog comment:
[18:54] <lubot5> "Emanuele Antonio Faraone
[18:54] <lubot5> When I saw that you are going to switch to Mir I immediately went to complete the italian translation in Weblate, just because now I believe again in Lubuntu and translating is the only way I can help!"
[18:54] <wxl> nice
[18:55] <wxl> now if only we can make this all happen given other factors
 I don't think it'll be a problem.
 wxl: Good start on that packaging tutorial!
[19:08] <wxl> @tsimonq2: thanks. and thanks to you, i know a little bit more about pattern matching in bash :)
[21:07] <lubot5> Hans Möller was added by: Hans Möller
 Welcome!
[21:08] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> Thanks @tsimonq2 I hope I can help.
[21:14] <wxl> @Hans you need any help knowing how to help? :)
[21:16] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> If it exista todo list with expertices needed it will be helpfull. At this moment I have transalted to Spanish and some in German in weblate and some releases testings.
[21:16] <wxl> so you primarily want to help in translation, correct?
[21:17] <wxl> i can't coerce you to become a tester or a developer? :)
[21:19] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> I've done some testing I have reported this bug, which at least form e is important https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/1730411. I don't believe my skills in programming are enough to be a developer, and my time is also limited. In translation I don't see there are pending translations for Spanish in weblate (maybe I'm not looking in the correct place).
[21:20] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> I've also have some 32bit machines, In case they are needed for testing.
[21:21] <wxl> ok, well it sounds like you're interested in any way you can help. that's a good sign :)
[21:22] <wxl> first things first: bug @tsimonq2 about anything related to translations. i suspect that weblate should pretty much take care of itself, but i'm not sure. i know he's also got translations for blog entries that are handled in a separate way. get him to explain it and we can make some documentation for others.
[21:23] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> 👍
[21:23] <wxl> secondly, "developement" doesn't always mean "programming"
[21:23] <wxl> in fact, i'm working on a packaging guide that should instruct cli-friendly users on how to fix simple bugs
[21:24] <wxl> sometimes it means knowing where to look for things, but you can always ask. we'd be more than happy to walk you through fixing things
[21:25] <wxl> for example, look at this: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D6
[21:26] <wxl> basically, it boils down to a 2-line change to a configuration file.
[21:26] <wxl> those sorts of things exist out there
[21:26] <wxl> regarding testing, i would say that you should definitely be testing (especially on the 32 bit machines). certainly as we approach the release date, on a regular basis.
[21:27] <wxl> the other thing we could really use is people going through every single function of every application to try to see if we can find some bugs. (that fix above is from such testing as i've been doing). i'm planning a bigger and more coordinated call to action about this, but there's no reason to wait
[21:28] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> Ok, I can do that.
[21:28] <wxl> now let me look at this bug real quick
[21:29] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> the one I created in launchpad?
[21:29] <wxl> yes
[21:29] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> ok, In a 2 monitor environment with extended monitor. In lxde you cand chose different wallpapers for each monitor
[21:30] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> but in lxqt you can only chose 1 wallpaper.
 iirc upstream marked as "Won't Fix" on a technicality
 That's on my post Feature Freeze TODO list.
[21:31] <wxl> it's not won't fix currently is it?
 Upstream.
 I'm determined to fix it.
 Unless you wanted to.
[21:32] <wxl> you're saying openbox
[21:32] <wxl> looking at the upstream bug (time has changed) maybe it's not
 I can't tell if it's an openbox thing or LXQt thing.
 Probably the latter.
[21:33] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> It shouldn't be openbox, I can chose 2 different ones now with openbox+lxde
[21:33] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> from what i've read is not an easy fix https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1175
[21:34] <wxl> i would advise changing the description to make it clear than openbox+lxde works fine but openbox+lxqt does not
[21:35] <wxl> it also might be interesting to swap in another window manager (kwin might be a good choice) and see what happens
[21:35] <wxl> you could do that in a vm and it should behave appropriately if you set up the vm correctly
[21:37] <wxl> OH
[21:37] <wxl> it's pcmanfm-qt
[21:37] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1175#issuecomment-253851179
[21:38] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> ok, I will do that. Anyway, I was thinking in a workaround which is an application that "merges" 2 wallpapers in one big. And you can use the big one as wallpaper, like this https://github.com/GabMus/HydraPaper/
[21:38] <wxl> remember we run pcmanfm-qt --desktop --profile=lxqt or which
[21:38] <wxl> ^^^^ @tsimonq2 
[21:44] <wxl> i wonder what happens if you don't use --desktop
[21:44] <wxl> that might be something to try, too
[21:45] <wxl> you'd have to kill the running pcmanfm-qt process and you'd want to keep the --profile=lxqt switch when you run it again
[21:46] <wxl> by the way hans it would be useful to file bugs with `ubuntu-bug some-package` because it will pull in some additional information. that said, what is the most recent version of lubuntu/pcmanfm-qt you have tested this with?
[21:49] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> I haven't tested in a while I believe I tested it in 17.10. Tonight (Chile time GMT-3 now) I will make a test environment to test
[21:49] <wxl> i think it would be best to try it out in one of the dailies
[21:49] <wxl> since "lubuntu-next" isn't really well supported
[21:49] <wxl> well, it's not supported XD
[21:50] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> jajaj, yes I have donwloaded one to do the tests.
[21:50] <wxl> unfortunately hydra-paper is gtk :/
[21:54] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> yes, but the principle might be usefull as a workaround.
[21:54] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> I mean, paste 2 wallpapers side by side.
[21:55] <wxl> looks like feh can do it https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Feh#Set_the_wallpaper
[21:56] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> ok, I will add it to the "to-test" list
[21:56] <wxl> ahhh there's a larger list https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_applications#Wallpaper_setters
[21:57] <wxl> i'll add this stuff to that bug but if you come up with a brilliant solution, let us know
[21:57] <wxl> i do not usually use two monitors so you better than me!
[21:58] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> 👍
[22:01] <wxl> hey @tsimonq2 did we get the build depends for calamares/password stuff?
 @wxl, We did but it's stuck with Qt.
[22:02] <wxl> whatcha mean?
 Feature Freeze only applies to new stuff in proposed, not stuck stuff.
 calamares won't migrate until Qt does.
[22:02] <wxl> oh
[22:02] <wxl> right
[22:02] <wxl> duh
[22:02] <wxl> ok tomorrow morning
 Yup.
[22:03] <wxl> k did you see what i said above about docs for translations? especially as we are pulling people in because of mir, we need to make it clear how to contribute. do we need to do anything on the backend to maintain the work to be done on weblate btw?
 Not really.
 I'll document it this afternoon.
 Then I want to get everything that we can't get in via a Feature Freeze loophole done.
[22:05] <wxl> ok. make sure to deal with whatever we need to do for the blog posts
[22:05] <wxl> meanwhile i'll work on making hans a developer :)
[22:12] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> @wxl, 👍
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[23:23] <wxl> @Hans you might want to glance at this and make sure it looks good.. and translate it, too! https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/translating/
[23:23] <wxl> @tsimonq2: is there some sort of different language options to phab?
[23:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: There's the blog, but I was just going to ask you what your workflow is for submitting to Phab.
[23:24] <tsimonq2> Because for translating to the blog, that's not something Weblate supports. :/
[23:24] <wxl> @tsimonq2: what do you mean? submitting what exactly?
[23:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: Submitting translated blog posts.
[23:25] <wxl> oh well i haven't worked one out yet but i'm sure i'll just vi my way through it
[23:25] <wxl> and either use git or arc
[23:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: The current workflow is "add it to a YAML array and stick a specially-named Markdown file in this one directory."
[23:25] <tsimonq2> So, I'm curious to see if we can make a generic guide for submitting patches with Phab.
[23:26] <wxl> yeah and that's not super friendly but it's what we got for now
[23:26] <tsimonq2> Right.
[23:26] <tsimonq2> @Wolfenprey's getting the hang of it it seems.
[23:26] <wxl> arc diff should be the way to do it
[23:29] <tsimonq2> arc diff just DTRT?
[23:31] <wxl> pretty much
[23:31] <wxl> i mean it does all the stuff for you
[23:31] <wxl> you know all you have to do is make changes to a git repo, git add -A, then arc diff
[23:31] <wxl> done
[23:31] <tsimonq2> Do you have to git add?
[23:31] <wxl> actually i'm not even sure that's necessary
[23:32] <wxl> i'm just anal about doing it
[23:32] <tsimonq2> ah
[23:32] <wxl> it will also keep users from having to answer questions they're not sure about
[23:32] <wxl> git add -A is unambiguous
[23:32] <wxl> we should look at changing the template for diffusion for that repo
[23:33] <wxl> don't know if that's a thing or not but we definately don't need "test plan"
[23:33] <wxl> and perhaps it should make you the default subscriber?
[23:33] <tsimonq2> Oh and also, I went through and manually edited everything, but visibility is set to "All Users" not "Public"
[23:33] <wxl> oh not diffusion
[23:33] <wxl> differential sorry
[23:34] <wxl> https://secure.phabricator.com/T12276
[23:35] <wxl> OHHHH so THAT"S why the arc docs mention git commit. it can fill out the templates
[23:35] <wxl> https://secure.phabricator.com/w/guides/arcanist_workflows/#facebook-workflow
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[23:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: Pretty darn cool that Facebook is using Phab too.
[23:49]  * wxl shrugs
[23:49] <wxl> depending on your perspective :)
[23:49] <wxl> it WILL mean that they'll get things changed
[23:49] <wxl> i can just see it now:
[23:49] <wxl> joe-blow-open-source: hey, can you add this feature?
[23:49] <wxl> phab: ain't nobody got time for that?
[23:50] <wxl> facebook: but we'd like that feature, too
[23:50] <tsimonq2> KDE has the same deal going on.
[23:50] <wxl> phab: yes, sir, how high would you like me to jump?!
[23:50] <tsimonq2> Paid support trumps all.
[23:51] <wxl> speaking of which my new thing is to go to my favorite local coffee roaster and get their fantastic breakfast sandwich every morning while i work on lubuntu stuff. so when are you going to start reimbursing me? XD
[23:51] <tsimonq2> wxl: When the whole Lubuntu.net bs is dealt with. ;)
[23:51] <wxl> i know, i was kidding
[23:51] <tsimonq2> XD
[23:52] <wxl> i mean, realistically, i'm pretty cheap :)
[23:52] <wxl> i like my coffee black, after all
[23:52] <tsimonq2> hahahaha
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