[00:25] <ordinary_weapon> hi!
[00:33] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: e-mail address validation for launchpad.net has since been fixed. launchpad bug #1787496 for details.
[00:33] <blanka> [ Bug #1787496 “login.launchpad.net email address validation links...” : Bugs : Canonical SSO provider ] - launchpad.net
[00:47] <amagora> Hello
[00:47] <amagora> I had a question about the gnome-terminal.
[00:48] <Bashing-om> !ask | amagora
[00:51] <amagora> / #1
[00:51] <amagora> Sorry about that
[00:54] <sfdebug> hi, i updated the ubuntu 14.04 and since then i'm having problem to start java programs.. i read that it's something related with vmlinuz-3.13.0-155 version...
[00:55] <sfdebug> anyone know how can i choose another one to boot at boot time? i tried esc key, shift key, but couldn't enter on grub menu, i even don't know if i'm using grub...
[01:06] <sfdebug> sorry, little problem with my connection... any idea how to solve temporally this problem with kernel 155?
[01:11] <compdoc> sfdebug, have you tried the space bar? dont know why I think that
[01:12] <sfdebug> compdoc, space bar? let me try...
[01:22] <IceHard> Fusl I think it is time my friend to set you a negative score. I do belive that -20000 will be a good point. Or may be it is time to explain? What is wrong.
[01:27] <lilkuz2005> hey guys, i need some help, my sound indicator applet is missing, and looking in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ indicator-sound is missing as well, how can i get this installed?
[01:33] <EriC^^> lilkuz2005: sudo apt-get install --reinstall indicator-sound
[01:34] <sfdebug> compdoc, right hand shift worked... but when i enter in grub menu, the keyboard doesn't work.. any idea?
[01:34] <lilkuz2005> EriC^^, i got that installed, the indicator is still missing, i think it has something to do with pulseaudio, i tried to remove pulseaudio
[01:35] <compdoc> sfdebug, it might be plugged into a usb3 port. the blue ones. try usb2 instead. the blacks
[01:35] <EriC^^> lilkuz2005: is the file you mentioned installed?
[01:35] <EriC^^> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-sound
[01:35] <lilkuz2005> EriC^^, yeah im looking at it now
[01:36] <lilkuz2005> indicator-sound-service is in that folder
[01:36] <EriC^^> lilkuz2005: is it running on the pc? ps aux | grep sound-service
[01:37] <lilkuz2005> EriC^^, yes
[01:40] <EriC^^> lilkuz2005: try restarting?
[01:40] <EriC^^> *did you
[01:40] <lilkuz2005> EriC^^, ill try now
[01:45] <tjsimmons> okay i know i'm dumb, but
[01:45] <tjsimmons> i run apt-mirror on my network
[01:45] <tjsimmons> all of my servers are pointed to that mirror
[01:46] <tjsimmons> and i can't upgrade anything to 18.04
[01:46] <tjsimmons> it can't find some repos (which doesn't make sense), and getting hash sum mismatch on Packages.xz
[01:46] <tjsimmons> anyone have any tips?
[01:48] <lilkuz2005> EriC^^, thanks, reboot fixed it
[01:48] <tjsimmons> this is my mirror.list file
[01:48] <tjsimmons> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BNn6GY6Dyr/
[01:53] <hggdh> tjsimmons: you should not mix repos from different versions
[01:53] <tjsimmons> except, apt-mirror puts them into different directories..
[01:55] <hggdh> tjsimmons: OK, I do not know apt-mirror (I use apt-cacher-ng), so I will not comment on it further. Can you give us a pastebin of an upgrade try?
[01:56] <tjsimmons> yep!
[01:56] <tjsimmons> and yeah, it breaks them out by distro.
[02:03] <tjsimmons> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sG73g3Nspq/
[02:03] <tjsimmons> that's the log
[02:13] <hggdh> tjsimmons: it looks like do-release-upgrade is bypassing your proxy setup, and going straight to the repo server
[02:14] <tjsimmons> how do you figure that? i see it query http://aptmirror (mine) for stuff
[02:14] <hggdh> tjsimmons: and then (it seems) it completely disregard whatever you have in your sources.list, and creates a new one (which will, I guess, fail). The rest is, ah, history
[02:15] <tjsimmons> i'm not getting that from the log at all
[02:16] <tjsimmons> i see it switches my sources.list to point to the bionic repo i have
[02:16] <hggdh> tjsimmons: Err http://aptmirror/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages  <- yes. But it gets a timeout
[02:16] <tjsimmons> yeah and i'm not sure why, because i have that main repo mirrored
[02:18] <hggdh> tjsimmons: well, then that is were you are hit(and yes, I was wrong before, sorry)
[02:18] <hggdh> tjsimmons: you are -- I believe -- trying to upgrade to Bionic. You need the cache for it
[02:19] <tjsimmons> i am. so, cache beyond what's in the apt repos?
[02:23] <tjsimmons> you know
[02:23] <thalaiva> hieee
[02:23] <tjsimmons> i might just go back to the default sources.list
[02:23] <thalaiva> everyone
[02:23] <tjsimmons> and upgrade
[02:23] <thalaiva> i need to contribute in open source technologies can you help me to choose which is the best tech to contribute??
[02:24] <cfhowlett> !contribute | thalaiva
[02:24] <joseeeph> [ Ubuntu Community Hub ] - community.ubuntu.com
[02:24] <joseeeph> [ ContributeToUbuntu - Ubuntu Wiki ] - wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: ^ bot
[02:26] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: gone...
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> yep too late
[02:28] <rosco_y> Can I use gparted to merge a 250 GB Primary Partition to another 250 GB Primary Partition, expanding the drive space available to my Windows 10 system?
[02:28] <hggdh> tjsimmons: then why wasn't it found?
[02:28] <thalaiva> i want to contribute to octave can any one help me how to join in that one
[02:29] <tjsimmons> I don't know! That's what I came here to ask. Haha.
[02:29] <thalaiva> rosco_y yes ofcourse u can
[02:30] <rosco_y> thalaiva: ty, can I do that without damage to my existing windows and programs?
[02:30] <tomreyn> rosco_y: and of course you should have backups before you do.
[02:30] <cfhowlett> probably but since windows doesn't play nice, backup ^2
[02:30] <hggdh> tjsimmons: heh. I will then leave it to somebody that (perhaps) knows apt-mirror. I do not...
[02:31] <tomreyn> rosco_y: since this is about windows anyways, i'd do it from within windows instead
[02:31] <rosco_y> well, I wouldn't be losing data, just installation and setup time.
[02:32] <tjsimmons> 😉👍 thanks for your help
[02:32] <RadEntity> What is the best way to configure a br0 on 18.04 so I can link containers to my network? I've been trying to do it in netplan but no dice.
[02:33] <rosco_y> tomreyn: good point.  I tried the Disk Management tool, but it will only merge partions on dynamic drives.  I don't think I have them because the merge options are disabled.
[02:33] <rosco_y> I'm sure there are 3rd Party tools that would work (thus gparted live, since I'm somewhat familiar with that anyway.)
[02:34] <tomreyn> rosco_y: i see. well, gparted is an option. ;)
[02:34] <rosco_y> Yeah, especially since I'm talking about modifying the system partition--it's a pretty good bet Windows wouldn't allow it.
[02:35] <rosco_y> (when it's booted, I mean)
[02:37] <rosco_y> so thank you thallada, tomreyn et. al.  You make my life a LOT easier!
[02:38] <RadEntity> This is my netplan config https://imgur.com/a/Jwujpf5
[02:43] <tomreyn> RadEntity: any error messages from netplan?
[02:44] <RadEntity> tomreyn: No, netplan generate and netplan apply work just fine
[02:44] <RadEntity> tomreyn: it's just not getting an IP and pings don't work
[02:45] <tomreyn> RadEntity: ok, i was thinking you had to list the interfaces to bridge like so: interfaces: [ ens192 ]
[02:45] <RadEntity> tomreyn: you don't have to, it's yaml
[02:51] <gdibass> Is the ubuntu server LTS out yet?
[02:51] <gdibass> For 18.04
[02:52] <tomreyn> gdibass: ubuntu 18.04 LTS was released in late april this year
[02:53] <gdibass> The documentation said the LTS update would be available on the 26th of last month
[02:53] <gdibass> I've done a check every week since then and nothing has shown as available
[02:53] <tomreyn> gdibass: what do you mean by "LTS update"?
[02:54] <gdibass> 18.04.1
[02:54] <tomreyn> 18.04.1 was released on july 26 as planned
[02:54] <gdibass> Hmm, why wouldn't my upgrade manager be finding it then?
[02:55] <tomreyn> just installing updates should get you there
[02:55] <tomreyn> maybe you didnt notice that the version has changed since?
[02:55] <gdibass> Yeah it doesn't
[02:55] <tomreyn> can you show the output of lsb_release -ds
[02:55] <gdibass> No I definitely checked that
[02:56] <tomreyn> so it says "Ubuntu 18.04.0 LTS" now?
[02:56] <gdibass> "Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS"
[02:56] <tomreyn> oh so you want to do an upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04?
[02:57] <gdibass> Yeah
[02:57] <tomreyn> you could have mentioned this ;)
[02:57] <tomreyn> so, yes this should also be possible by now
[02:57] <RadEntity> gdibass: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver
[02:57] <gdibass> RadEntity, tried that... no luck, granted it was last week
[02:58] <tomreyn> no thats wrong
[02:58] <tomreyn> you dont wnt to use -d
[02:58] <gdibass> oh yeah I didn't do -d
[02:58] <gdibass> Definitely don't want to
[02:58] <RadEntity> Can't you burn an iso and upgrade that way?
[02:59] <gdibass> This is on a production server
[02:59] <tomreyn> gdibass: when you run "do-release-upgrade -c" what does it report?
[02:59] <gdibass> so... kind of
[02:59] <gdibass> or a staging one
[02:59] <tomreyn> -c as in check for upgrade
[02:59] <gdibass> Heeey look at that
[02:59] <gdibass> it shows up today
[02:59] <gdibass> awesome
[02:59] <gdibass> Never mind then :P
[03:00] <gdibass> Tried that last week and got nothing
[03:00] <tomreyn> it wasnt ready by last week
[03:00] <gdibass> Makes sense lol
[03:00] <gdibass> That's what I was trying to ask :P
[03:01] <gdibass> Time to get some servers updated :P
[03:01] <RadEntity> tomreyn: got any ideas on how to setup a bridge for lxc containers? I'm using this VM as a host for containers and I don't want them double NAT'd
[03:02] <cs_scholar3> This may be offtopic, but any ideas why aren't all African-``American'' drug offenders sterilized to avoid more pollution to the human gene pool?
[03:03] <compdoc> as long as we do it to the white ones
[03:03] <gdibass> wtf
[03:03] <tomreyn> RadEntity: not really, sorry
[03:04] <cs_scholar3> gdibass: ?
[03:04] <tomreyn> !ops | cs_scholar3
[03:04] <cs_scholar3> tomreyn: What's your problem?
[03:04] <cs_scholar3> tomreyn: You like these negroids?
[03:05] <RadEntity> cs_scholar3: this isn't the channel to discuss to discuss opinions on stuff that has nothing to do with ubuntu
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[03:38] <BlackDalek> is there anyway to make a bootable USB stick for installing Ubuntu 18.04 on a Mac without using Etcher? Etcher won't run on this old mac.
[03:41] <cfhowlett> !mac | BlackDalek
[04:36] <m0rd3cai> anyone here fix appstream issue when running apt-get? shows "appstream cache updated but some metadatafiles have errors in them" and links to the file in question.
[04:37] <m0rd3cai> AppStream system cache was updated, but problems were found: Metadata files have errors: /var/cache/app-info/xmls/fwupd.xml
[04:37] <m0rd3cai> tried removing the file and --force refreshing appstreamcli but that still gives the same error.
[04:49] <ReimuHakurei21>  ­ ­ ­ ­ ­  http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg  ­  ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg  ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­
[05:06] <xnite> I have an issue where curl and wget can't download anything at all, yet apt has no issues downloading & installing packages. Even large ones or large amounts of them
[05:06] <xnite> any ideas?
[05:07] <xnite> oh, the issue persists through reboots btw. It's been happening ever since I installed too.
[05:11] <pi0> is there an easy email server for ubunut
[05:19] <rosco_y> gparted question: I have an empty 250 gig primary partition that I'd like to move/extend onto my Windows C: drive.  Can I do this without clobbering the data on my C: drive?
[05:28] <InHisName> rosco_y:  Are you using LVM  ?  Then delete the 250 G partition, then add the extents to the C drive partition.  Then resize the C drive to include the new addition.
[05:33] <InHisName> If not using LVM, is the 250 GB partition physically right before or after the C drive partition ? Then delete the 250 GB partition and enlarge the C drive partition with the new space right next to it.  Use gparted or your favorite partition app for the resize.
[05:35] <InHisName> If not adjacent, show order of partitions and size and note any empties or ready to deletes.
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[06:15] <cfhowlett> !ping
[06:22] <qwebirc30200> Is ATI graphics driver included in Ubuntu ?
[06:23] <cfhowlett> !ati | qwebirc30200
[06:25] <qwebirc30200> Is that meen yes or no ? Why so complicated ?
[06:25] <JimBuntu> qwebirc30200, because you only said ATI without being more specific
[06:25] <JimBuntu> qwebirc30200, I can give you a simple answer, yes.
[06:28] <qwebirc30200> Specific about what card i use ? I guess it will works. Thank you anyway.
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[07:12] <zhashisan> ...
[07:12] <zhashisan> gan ma de zhe shi
[07:14] <cfhowlett> !cn | zhashisan nihao.  #ubuntu-kylin
[07:32] <sfdebug> any idea how to workaround this temporarily (when i access grub menu my keyboard doesn't work...)?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1787127
[07:36] <zer0x> my ubuntu 18.04 doesn't recognize external hard drive via usb, it's 3.0 but I'm using 2.0 port. lsblk doesn't show any new devices but lsusb does, it only shows Bus 001 Device 009: ID 2537:1068  (doesn't have name). How can I make it work?
[07:47] <JimBuntu> zer0x, initial info shows that is a 2.5" SATA external USB 3 enclosure using this http://www.norelsys.com/English/chanpinzhongxin/MobileStorage/2013/0307/88.html
[07:48] <zer0x> JimBuntu: exactly it's a laptop hard drive
[07:48] <JimBuntu> zer0x, It's supposed to support USB 2.0
[07:49] <JimBuntu> zer0x, What did you see in dmesg?
[07:49] <zer0x> lsscsi included the drive but I can't mount it
[07:49] <zer0x> JimBuntu: [93516.388739] sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[07:49] <zer0x> [93516.390566] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
[07:50] <zer0x> When I try to mount: mount: /mnt/hdd: /dev/sg2 is not a block device.
[07:50] <zer0x> and with sdc: mount: /mnt/hdd: no medium found on /dev/sdc.
[07:50] <zer0x>  Even though lsscsi shows sdc
[07:50] <JimBuntu> is it not /dev/sdc?
[07:51] <zer0x> JimBuntu: I tried both
[07:51] <JimBuntu> Do you have a /dev/sdc1 ?
[07:51] <zer0x> no
[07:51] <zer0x> lsscsi
[07:51] <zer0x> [0:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      WDC WD10EZEX-08W 1A01  /dev/sda
[07:51] <zer0x> [2:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      Samsung SSD 750  1B6Q  /dev/sdb
[07:51] <zer0x> [4:0:0:0]    disk    Generic  HDD              0     /dev/sdc
[07:53] <JimBuntu> zer0x, please use pastebin and perform    fdisk -l
[07:53] <JimBuntu> !paste | zer0x
[07:55] <zer0x> JimBuntu: devices named loopX are made by snap, and my system is encrypted with LUKS LVM https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MHD8hQ95BR/
[07:56] <JimBuntu> zer0x, does that prevent you from running sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdc    ?
[07:56] <JimBuntu> ah, I see the paste
[07:56] <zer0x> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: No medium found
[07:56] <zer0x> here is lsblk output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K82c22wVGs/
[07:58] <JimBuntu> Would you mind double checking dmesg for any other related info?
[07:59] <zer0x> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2WZRJyHf7R/
[08:00] <JimBuntu> I do see some old reports from other users (some with fixes) for similar issues with USB drives... checking on validity
[08:01] <zer0x> according to this answer, should I try latest kernel? https://askubuntu.com/questions/463644/scsi-disk-not-showing-up
[08:02] <Rembo> i'm using Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS \n \l , after i patch using apt-get kernel linux-generic 3.13.0.155.165  to and intel microcode 3.20180425.1~ubuntu0.14.04.2 , i reboot to apply the patches and the system freeze after booting, can someone help? CPU is Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2620 v3 @ 2.40GHz , can someone tell me if there is a kernel or microcode bug? i did role back the old version and it went
[08:02] <Rembo> normal
[08:02] <JimBuntu> zer0x, that doesn't seem as related as this one, still looking for something newer. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=125831
[08:03] <JimBuntu> zer0x, Did you say this drive DOES or DOES NOT work in other OS like Windows? (with the same set up)
[08:04] <zer0x> JimBuntu: I haven't tested on Windows yet, this is the first time I use it after buying a new laptop and take that drive out to SSD.
[08:05] <zer0x> So I can say that it is brand new from factory to my hand
[08:05] <JimBuntu> zer0x, Ok. That was also a little leading... did the enclosure come with it's own USB cable and if so, are you using it? Perhaps one with multiple USB heads?
[08:08] <zer0x> JimBuntu: here is my enclosure: http://www.orico.cc/goods.php?id=6335
[08:09] <JimBuntu> zer0x, Ok, that looks like a single head cable and I see they listed support for it without a driver in Linux, which as we see it's being recognized to some degree.
[08:09] <zer0x> Should I try the archlinux link? Add usb-storage.delay_use=5" to the kernel or add "options usb_storage delay_use=5
[08:10] <JimBuntu> I'm thinking the lowest risk is adding the kernel boot option, should be easy to remove if it doesn't work
[08:12] <zer0x> JimBuntu: thanks, I'm restarting to try now
[08:12] <JimBuntu> k
[08:18] <zer0x> JimBuntu: it's still the same, in fact we could echo 5 to /sys/module/usb_storage/parameters/delay_use and test immediately but OS still doesn't recognize the drive, I'm gonna restart again to test on Windows
[08:18] <JimBuntu> k
[08:21] <beaky10> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[08:29] <zer0x> JimBuntu: after plugging in and out several times on Windows, it works perfectly on Linux too, it's like Windows can actually boot the drive up. On Linux we can only see the usb interface of the enclosure but it seems that the drive isn't running, that's why we can't access or mount. Quite strange.
[08:30] <JimBuntu> Having to plug it in a few times doesn't sound encouraging. I suggest exchanging it either for the same brand or a different brand, if that's an option.
[08:31] <zer0x> On windows, it's not recognized at first, the usb icon shows in Explorer but when I access, it says there's no disk. So I opened the case and re-plug the drive, after that it shows up every time. Maybe it's just a glitch in the beginning. Anyways let's see if the enclosure is good enough.
[08:32] <carton> Hello. I am installing ubuntu using debootstrap. Why apt-get install linux-image-generic doen't actually install kernel?
[08:32] <JimBuntu> zer0x, I hope it works out for you.
[08:33] <zer0x> JimBuntu: thanks for helping me out!
[08:33] <JimBuntu> zer0x, You are welcome
[08:34] <MsK`> hello! I'm the developer of a game, Pawarumi. It seems that since 18.04, a dialog appears "app is not responding" while the game is loading up. Since the game is running fullscreen, the dialog ends up hidden behind the fine running game. Since it has focus, the game appears broken because it doesn't respond... Is there a way for me to tell ubuntu that the absence of response is normal ? or to tell my user to set the timer before that
[08:34] <MsK`> shows up to  something longer ?
[08:35] <MsK`> it only takes like 2-3s to load...
[08:45] <hateball> MsK`: does it happen with all DEs?
[08:46] <MsK`> DE?
[08:46] <hateball> MsK`: desktop environment, GNOME, KDE Plasma etc
[08:46] <MsK`> the user that reported the issue was running gnome, I just tried from the live cd
[08:46] <hateball> Just curious if they have the same timeout values
[08:46] <MsK`> what ships with ubuntu by default nowadays? still gnome?
[08:47] <hateball> Ubuntu is GNOME. I personally use Kubuntu with KDE Plasma
[08:47] <MsK`> ok, I didn't try that
[08:47] <hateball> MsK`: just asking so you dont only fix it for one DE :D
[08:47] <MsK`> ^^
[08:47] <hateball> MsK`: anyhow for GNOME this old thing is the only thing I found while googling... https://askubuntu.com/questions/412917/how-to-increase-waiting-time-for-non-responding-programs
[08:48] <hateball> I don't quite know if it is a user configurable setting in Plasma either, or if it is hardcoded
[08:48] <MsK`> ah thanks, and hurhhh
[08:49] <JimBuntu> My 2 bits would be that it sounds like a thread is blocking the main app, i.e. the app should perform any slow 'loading' in a sub-thread to prevent this. Main should reasonably be free to reply
[08:50] <hateball> MsK`: I remember your game from a gamingonlinux.com article :)
[08:50] <hateball> MsK`: if it's made in Unity it might be something that is an issue with that
[08:51] <JimBuntu> MsK`, for some background, the move from Unity to Gnome (for normal/stock Ubuntu) only happened a few months ago and updates from the previous Long Term Release just started hitting people
[08:51] <hateball> I mean Unity the game engine, just to be clear when JimBuntu mentions Unity the DE :D
[08:52] <JimBuntu> Thanks for pointing that out hateball, things can get confusing quickly
[08:52] <hateball> If only there was something like a search engine that people could use before naming their projects
[08:53] <JimBuntu> hateball, Maybe we can start by coming up with a name for the search engine... I am thinking something that plays off some word or phrase for a large number ;-D
[08:53] <hateball> :)
[08:54] <MsK`> yeah, I'm going to report a bug to unity but that's far from an easy fix...
[08:54] <MsK`> (unity the game engine)à
[08:56] <rogue> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[09:01] <zzarr> hello!
[09:01] <agree> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[09:02] <zzarr> I have a server that ran 16.04 until I tried to upgrade it to 18.04
[09:02] <zzarr> but, sadly it failed
[09:02] <zzarr> so now I'm sitting with a broken system
[09:03] <zzarr> I have tried to manually revert the changes
[09:04] <zzarr> I changed all bionic to xenial and 18.04 to 16.04 in the /etc/os-release file
[09:05] <zzarr> now systemd complains about not having the correct version of libsystemd0
[09:06] <zzarr> oh, I changed all bionic to xenial in /etc/apt/sources.list to
[09:06] <guiverc_d> zzarr, changes sources back to a prior release won't help you go back, packages from the later release will have higher numbers (why they were upgraded), and won't downgrade using apt tools.. you need to restore a backup
[09:06] <guiverc_d> s/changes/changing at start of my last
[09:08] <zzarr> okey, I'll revert my own changes
[09:11] <guiverc_d> zzarr, your other option is to re-try the upgrade... if `do-release-upgrade` stopped of failed, you can usually fix whatever issue it was having, then re-run it (and it'll continue the release-upgrade process)
[09:12] <zzarr> guiverc_d, I have tried, but it says there's no new release
[09:14] <guiverc_d> it sounds like it believes it succeeded (and is now 18.04).  what is the problem with your 'broken system', or did you get errors? that told you it 'failed upgrade'?
[09:15] <zzarr> yes, that is the case, no errors, just told me it found no candidate for alot of packages
[09:16] <guiverc_d> zzarr, are they ubuntu sourced packages?? or 3rd party?  (ie. ppa, or other non-repo; or can you provide an example?)
[09:16] <zzarr> both I think, but I have inactivated all 3rd party now
[09:18] <zzarr> apt-get -f install complains about /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service colliding
[09:18] <zzarr> Removing 'diversion of /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service to /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd by systemd-shim'
[09:18] <zzarr> dpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting '/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service' with
[09:18] <zzarr>   different file '/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd', not allowed
[09:19] <zzarr> sorry for long lines
[09:20] <guiverc_d> if you `dpkg -S /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service` do you get only a single package source? (`systemd` for my system)
[09:21] <zzarr> once more... long lines...
[09:21] <zzarr> diversion by systemd-shim from: /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service
[09:21] <zzarr> diversion by systemd-shim to: /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd
[09:21] <zzarr> systemd: /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service
[09:21] <zzarr> should org.freedesktop.systemd1.service and org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd be the same?
[09:24] <guiverc_d> if you have multiple lines of output - please pastebin them (use !pastebinit for info); i expected a yes, or no/2/3 sources as an answer to my last question
[09:25] <zzarr> okey, sorry, I'll do that from now on
[09:26] <Louis5> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[09:27] <guiverc_d> i don't know if this will help, but can you please looked at `stat /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service`; for my system it's a regular file, owned by root; `file` tells me it's text, and contains lots of comments & name=, exec=false, user=root (very simplified)..
[09:28] <zzarr> I'll run a file on it
[09:28] <zzarr> it's text here to
[09:31] <zzarr> guiverc_d, if you cat both /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service and /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd are they the same or different?
[09:31] <zzarr> they are different for me
[09:31] <qwebirc69767> my wifi is not showing, i have hp envy m6 1216tx, i installed ubuntu 18.01.1.lts
[09:32] <zzarr> now they are the same
[09:32] <zzarr> I have to go to lunch, bbl
[09:32] <qwebirc69767> i have tried many options from fourm
[09:33] <qwebirc69767> please help
[09:33] <guiverc_d> i have no systemd1.service.systemd  file
[09:42] <luxifer> Hi there... I'm on 18.04 and I find myself switching to the vterm when pressing alt+f2... is this a bug? in the past, one needed to press ctrl+alt+f2, which is the behavior I'd like to get back
[09:45] <guiverc_d> luxifer, sounds like a config issue to me, but I have no idea, alt-f2 pulls up application-finder on mine (which is new to me, I don't use it), but I'm on XFCE (xubuntu) - i'd suggest searching for a bug report on launchpad.net, if you find one adding weight to it by clicking 'it applies to me too', but i don't know...
[10:00] <Umeaboy> nacc: I just tested to compile and install the svn version of alienarena and I get no issues with it. How can I get it updated in the official sources?
[10:02] <blackflow> Umeaboy: same way as you installed it
[10:04] <Umeaboy> blackflow: I'm talking about a new package release to official Ubuntu sources.
[10:04] <Umeaboy> Not locally.
[10:05] <blackflow> Umeaboy: oh I misunsderstood you then. so you're asking how to get the ubuntu package bumped in version?
[10:06] <Umeaboy> A package update yes.
[10:07] <blackflow> Umeaboy: this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alien-arena   you can file a bug report
[10:10] <crga> hi all
[10:12] <crga> need help debuggin installation problems. Whenever I boot my new laptop with ubuntu 18.4.1 usb my gui (of the live usb and the installer) just hangs. Moving my mouse works sometimes, but I cant click anything.
[10:12] <Umeaboy> blackflow: What source contains the alien-arena-dbgsym ?
[10:12] <Umeaboy> crga: Try running the installation with nomodeset.
[10:12] <Umeaboy> Change on the command line.
[10:13] <crga> Umeaboy: pressing E right?and than ?
[10:13] <Umeaboy> Yeah.
[10:13] <blackflow> Umeaboy: I don't know, maybe the alien-arena src deb?
[10:13] <Umeaboy> crga: Then you just add nomodeset and boot with it.
[10:14] <crga> Umeaboy: just like here? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029624/ubuntu-18-04-live-boot-leads-to-blank-screen
[10:14] <blackflow> crga: then find the line containing vmlinuz, and at the end of it add nomodeset   and then hit F10 to continue booting
[10:14] <blackflow> Umeaboy: the line starting with "linux   /vmlinuz....."
[10:14] <blackflow> sorry, crga ^^^
[10:15] <crga> no problem blackflow, im glad you guys are helping
[10:15] <Umeaboy> AT.
[10:15] <crga> Okay I changed it to `nomodeset quiet splash`
[10:15] <Umeaboy> You can delete quiet and splash as well.
[10:16] <Umeaboy> Then you'll get some more information of what happens during bootup.
[10:16] <crga> whoops, already pressed f10
[10:16] <Umeaboy> When it stops and what the error is.
[10:16] <crga> Umeaboy: if needed ill do it again
[10:16] <Umeaboy> No problem. Just reboot it when you can.
[10:16] <Umeaboy> Does it boot now?
[10:17] <crga> yes, and I just launched the installer. let's see how far this goes
[10:17] <CoolerZ> how do i install php on ubuntu 18.04?
[10:17] <Umeaboy> Are you sure that Secure boot is disabled?
[10:17] <crga> Umeaboy: secure boot needs to be disabled?
[10:17] <Umeaboy> CoolerZ: sudo apt-get install php -y
[10:17] <crga> cause I think it' s still on..
[10:17] <Umeaboy> I always disable it.
[10:18] <crga> in short, what is is for? and why disable ?
[10:18] <Umeaboy> I think that prevents Linux from loading.
[10:18] <blackflow> CoolerZ: `apt install php`  ?
[10:18] <CoolerZ> Umeaboy, there are a large number of packages that start with php in the name
[10:19] <Umeaboy> Well, sudo apt-cache search php will tell you what packages you can install related to it.
[10:19] <crga> CoolerZ: yes, but php will install the basic required ones
[10:19] <Umeaboy> What do you intend to use it for? You didn't mention.
[10:19] <crga> the rest are extensions, just go with the installation of php itself and it will do the rest for you
[10:20] <Umeaboy> crga: Have you rebooted and disabled Secure Boot in the BIOS and deleted the quiet splash ?
[10:20] <crga> Umeaboy: I am now going through te installer, I hope this goes well. Looking good so far.
[10:20] <Umeaboy> OK.
[10:24] <crga> Umeaboy: I just read about the secure boot option. It appears that ubuntu has signed their bootloader so it should work, but ofcourse the reality may differ. I will wait a few more minutes, cause i think its hanging again, and then reboot again and do what you said
[10:25] <Umeaboy> Sure.
[10:35] <epic22> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[10:38] <Toxtlo> Hello, I am pretty new to ubuntu network interfaces and I try to solve creating 2 bridges to 1 physical eth0 adapter on ubuntu18.04. Read some articles and tried to modify interfaces file but still fail
[10:38] <Toxtlo> maybe somebody can help me with this issue
[10:39] <BlackDalek> hi. I have deluged daemon set up to run as a systemd service in Ubuntu 16.04 under user "deluge". Normally it downloads to the deluge user's home path of /var/lib/deluge/Downloads. Now if I want to change the download location to a folder owned by my login user (e.g. /home/myuser/Downloads/ ) How do I give deluge user permission to read/write files to that path?
[10:40] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: give it read and execute to /home/myuser then rwx on /home/myuser/Downloads
[10:40] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: setfacl -m u:deluge:rx /home/myuser && setfacl -m u:deluge:rwx /home/myuser/Downloads
[10:41] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, thank you
[10:41] <EriC^^> no problem
[10:47] <qwebirc10562> #fedora-outreachy
[10:52] <crga> Umeaboy: installation is running up till now, currently downloading updates
[10:53] <liguo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:12] <coz_> hello all
[11:17] <crga> Umeaboy: It's installed but booting into it has the same problem. Cant move my mouse, or mouse is working but the rest hangs, cant click anything or login
[11:18] <Umeaboy> Then reboot into the BIOS and disable Secure Boot and CSM if you can.
[11:18] <Umeaboy> Then boot the installer as I described.
[11:18] <Umeaboy> Make sure that the installation media isn't broken somehow.
[11:19] <Umeaboy> And check the md5 sum of the iso unless you used a torrent downloader to get it.
[11:19] <Umeaboy> cd to the directory that holds the iso and do md5sum typethenameoftheisohere.iso
[11:20] <Umeaboy> Compare with Ubuntu's own md5 file.
[11:21] <zzarr> I removed /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd, that did it
[11:21] <zzarr> so, if anyone asks about it, that is the answer
[11:21] <crga> Umeaboy: CSM is disabled. Secure boot now as well
[11:22] <crga> booting with nomodeset and without quiet splash
[11:33] <crga> Umeaboy: I downloaded and installed this iso from ubuntu with Etcher, from 2 different computers now. Think the iso shouldnt be the problem right?
[11:33] <Umeaboy> It could, but I guess not.
[11:33] <Umeaboy> If the installation fails, try to download a previous version and see if that boots.
[11:34] <Umeaboy> Or try to boot it without installing and then install it.
[11:34] <Umeaboy> The first option in the installer.
[11:35] <Umeaboy> Boot without installing.
[11:35] <Umeaboy> Boot it with nomodeset and delete quiet splash as well.
[11:36] <cncr04s14> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[11:36] <crga> yeah i am now installating it again with a diferent usb, its running the installer through the live environment now
[11:36] <crga> installing*
[11:36] <crga> and uh, yeah if this does not work than I will go to 17.10 I think.
[11:37] <BlackDalek> I've got myself into a bit of a mess. I put kodi.bin into the startup applications so that it launches on start up, but now if I exit kodi, the dash menu no longer works. i.e., if I click the dash ubuntu symbol on top left, the whole screen just blanks and redraws and no dash menu appears
[11:38] <BlackDalek> So I've basically lost access to the dash menu and can't get to the startup applications preferences any more
[11:38] <BlackDalek> how do I get dash working again?
[11:39] <hateball> BlackDalek: if you can get to a tty (ctrl+alt+f1) and log in you should be able to remove the file from ~/.config/autostart/
[11:39] <crga> BlackDalek: can you press ALT+F2 ?
[11:39] <crga> does that bring up something?
[11:40] <BlackDalek> hateball, crga yes I can access a terminal or tty
[11:40] <crga> I would try ALT+F2 and type 'r' and hit enter, to reload the shell
[11:43] <mingdao> When running `apt-get update` I had a segfault with a message E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success -if /usr/bin/test -w /var/cache/app-info -a -e /usr/bin/appstreamcli; then appstreamcli refresh-cache > /dev/null; fi' \n E: Sub-process returned an error code
[11:44] <mingdao> Running `apt-get update` again lists 6 repos then outputs `Reading package lists... Done and returns to a prompt
[11:45] <Stek_Turku>   hi all
[11:47] <mingdao> This PC is having Firefox crash...a lot.
[11:48] <BlackDalek> ok... I've removed kodi.bin from the startup applications.... but my dash is still broken even after reboot
[11:49] <BlackDalek> my dash menu just keeps making everything bar the desktop background vanish then it redraws it all
[11:51] <r0bby1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[11:55] <Liara-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[11:57] <crga> Umeaboy: i installed it again, no difference. I will resort to installing 17.10 when I get back this afternoon. I think this also might be because of my hardware:I have a Full RGBmechanical keyboard on it. I thhink this might be causing issues.
[12:01] <BlackDalek> I have made an animated gif to illustrate what is happening when I click the dash menu here - https://ibin.co/4CV7wU1wLJQI.gif what could be causing this?
[12:05] <BlackDalek> What could be causing my screen to redraw every time I click the dash menu and how do I solve this?
[12:06] <xous15> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[12:10] <cognition> Hi, I have a system where / is not on LVM, it is running out of inodes on /. There are plenty of kernel header directories in /usr/src which seem to be taking the inodes. The kernel version the system is running is 4.4.0-79-generic, however the /usr/src directory contains linux-headers-4.4.0-81 through  linux-headers-4.4.0-130, how do I delete these headers knowing that they are more recent
[12:17] <Umeaboy> crga: Check dmesg.
[12:18] <Umeaboy> BlackDalek: It looks to me like you have the wrong resolution.
[12:18] <Umeaboy> Or you need to fit the desktop better.
[12:18] <Umeaboy> You do that in the screen settings.
[12:19] <pc27> caca con mYO
[12:19] <BlackDalek> Umeaboy, no.. that screenshot was just taken from a remmina remote desktop and cropped. The screen res and size is fine on the actual machine
[12:20] <pc27> ME ESCUCHAN; YA ESTA GRABANDO?
[12:20] <Umeaboy> Then the problem lies in Remmina.
[12:20] <pc27> alo
[12:20] <Umeaboy> pc27: Habla ingles?
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> !es | pc27
[12:20] <pc27> hi
[12:20] <pc28> xd
[12:20] <Umeaboy> Hi! :)
[12:20] <pc28> hi brother
[12:21] <Umeaboy> Wazzup?
[12:21] <pragmaticenigma> pc27 pc28 : Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[12:21] <ola> aa
[12:21] <pc27> pene
[12:21] <ola> wenaaaaaa perrrrrrooooo
[12:22] <pc27> wena gatooooooooooo
[12:22] <pc28> no saen como me pico los cocos
[12:22] <pc27> xd
[12:22] <Umeaboy> Feels like spammers to me.
[12:22] <Guest45998> dijiste tula?
[12:22] <pc27> do you like penis?
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> !ops
[12:22] <Guest45998> yes I like
[12:22] <pc33> hola
[12:22] <pc27> a okey face chimbo
[12:22] <pc27> jajaja
[12:23] <pc27> .v
[12:23] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | !!!!
[12:23] <pc28> I do not care
[12:23] <pc27> :v
[12:23] <Guest45998> :v
[12:23] <pc33> :v
[12:23] <pc27>  maicra
[12:23] <pc27> xs
[12:23] <BlackDalek> Umeaboy, I do not understand your reasoning? how is the problem of dash not working on one machine connected to remmina running on a different machine?
[12:23] <Umeaboy> If the desktop is fine otherwise.....
[12:23] <Fuseteam[m]> los ingles pensa tu spam el chat
[12:24] <pragmaticenigma> Fuseteam[m]: English only please
[12:24] <pc27> s
[12:24] <pc27> ok
[12:24] <pc28> a
[12:24] <pc28> ok
[12:24] <JimBuntu> !es
[12:25] <Fuseteam[m]> was replying to the spanish guys lol
[12:25] <BlackDalek> Umeaboy, the desktop looks fine - the problem is just dash doesn't work any more. All I get is a screen redraw every time I click the dash launcher icon or press the super key.
[12:25] <Fuseteam[m]> ah interesting command
[12:25] <ioria> BlackDalek, can you login in the Guest Account ?
[12:25] <Umeaboy> Fuseteam[m]: It's been around for a longer time. :)
[12:26] <pragmaticenigma> Fuseteam[m]: Please use the !{language} when doing that. It's better not to engage in their language, or they will continue to use it.
[12:26] <Umeaboy> You can use the same for many other languages as well.
[12:26] <Fuseteam[m]> yeah didn't know such a command existed
[12:26] <Umeaboy> !sv
[12:27] <Umeaboy> :)
[12:27] <Fuseteam[m]> i'm pretty new hehe
[12:27] <pragmaticenigma> !msgthebot
[12:27] <JimBuntu> Fuseteam[m], I was posting that for any spanish speakers, that's why I didn't single out a user
[12:27] <Umeaboy> Welcome to the family. :)
[12:27] <BlackDalek> ioria, yes I can log in as guest session, but the broken dash problem persists
[12:27] <Fuseteam[m]> thanks o> haha
[12:28] <ioria> BlackDalek, check ~/.xsession-errors , /var/log/syslog , dmesg
[12:29] <ioria> BlackDalek,  if you can't find a thing in there, maybe it's about your video drivers
[12:30] <BlackDalek> ioria, everything was working fine until I installed kodi and deluged/deluge-web services
[12:31] <ioria> BlackDalek,  try to purge them and autoremove  but i don't see how they might the culprits
[12:32] <ioria> *be
[12:32] <BlackDalek> ioria, here is my dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wWVYcD5bWP/
[12:33] <aman_> What is a good DLNA server for ubuntu?
[12:34] <pragmaticenigma> aman_: This channel is for Ubuntu Support related questions. If you would like software recommendations, please visit the #ubuntu-offtopic channel.
[12:35] <BlackDalek> ioria, this is /var/log/syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q47hwBzpK2/
[12:35] <Logan25> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[12:36] <ioria> BlackDalek,  i just see apparmor  msgs
[12:37] <BluesKaj> aman_, there are several, check your package-manager
[12:37] <BlackDalek> ioria, i don't know what that means
[12:37] <ioria> BlackDalek,  nothing, it's about the guest-session
[12:37] <BlackDalek> ioria, here is my xsession-errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kGXpCjs294/
[12:39] <lord_daemon> I'm using extended monitor. when accessing with vnc, it only shows the first monitor. so I'm forced to run the command on the actual machine: x11vnc so I can remotely access and see the extended monitor screen. what command via ssh can be done so that I can see the two screens when accessing through vncviewer?
[12:39] <pragmaticenigma> lord_daemon: When do you have VNC setup to start?
[12:39] <pragmaticenigma> lord_daemon: That is, what part of the boot process? Is it setup to start at the login, after login... some other stage?
[12:42] <ioria> BlackDalek,  yeah, a lot of unity/gnome-session errors ...
[12:43] <BlackDalek> ioria, the xsession-errors is all unity terminating and respawning.... any way to narrow down the issue from that?
[12:43] <lord_daemon> pragmaticenigma I installed fluxbox, it only opens when I run startx. Another strange thing is that the x11vnc -loop does not work when I put in the initialization, in any file. I wanted everything to be done in the automatic way. run the vnc server and I can access by seeing the two screens.
[12:43] <ioria> BlackDalek,  idk exactly what happened , but try   sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[12:44] <lord_daemon> I want to run startx manually myself, I do not want to install gdm, it takes up a lot of space.
[12:44] <lord_daemon> I just want to solve the problem of vnc
[12:45] <pragmaticenigma> lord_daemon: I'm not too familiar with fluxbox, but what I have experienced should still apply. If x11vnc is initialized before both monitors are avaialble, it will use the available dimnesions of the active monitor. x11vnc does not have the ability to auto resize when a new monitor is added to the host. The only way I have found to make it work reliable (on KDE for me) is to add it to the auto start list after
[12:45] <pragmaticenigma> login.
[12:46] <pragmaticenigma> lord_daemon: It might work if you placed it at the very end of the startx script, after adding a significant sleep delay
[12:46] <pragmaticenigma> lord_daemon: assuming that is where you added the trigger
[12:49] <pragmaticenigma> lord_daemon: I believe -loop has to be used with the -forever argument. This is what I have configured: x11vnc -display :0 -forever -loop -noxdamage -repeat -skip_lockkeys -noxrecord -rfbport 5900 -shared
[12:52] <lord_daemon> pragmaticenigma right. so you think I have to put this command in rc.local using the sleep command, correct?
[12:53] <lord_daemon> really this option I had not tried. using sleep.
[12:54] <pragmaticenigma> The sleep is just to try and delay the execution of x11vnc until both monitors have been brought up. I'm not familiar with rc.local... is that where you have x11vnc currently setup to execute?
[12:54] <BlackDalek> ioria, I went ahead and purged kodi then rebooted.... now dash menu is no longer broken. I will now attempt to re-install kodi and see if the unity dash breaks again.
[12:56] <pragmaticenigma> lord_daemon: (sorry to repeat, forgot to tag) The sleep is just to try and delay the execution of x11vnc until both monitors have been brought up. I'm not familiar with rc.local... is that where you have x11vnc currently setup to execute?
[12:57] <lord_daemon> pragmaticenigma in fact I have tried in some places, like: inittab, rc.local, xinitc etc. but I still have not got it. I'll try today with sleep when I get to work.
[12:59] <tytan> hello everyone
[12:59] <tytan> I just tried to setup a KVM host on ubuntu 18.04 server but I can install virt-manager with apt
[13:01] <BlackDalek> ioria, yep. Kodi killed my dash again
[13:03] <BluesKaj> BlackDalek, kodi takes up the whole desktop by default
[13:04] <BlackDalek> BluesKaj, the problem is when I exit kodi, dash no longer works.
[13:04] <BluesKaj> strange
[13:05] <tytan> why is there no "virt-manager" in the ubuntu repositories?
[13:06] <BlackDalek> BluesKaj, I've installed kodi from the official kodi repo team-xbmc/ppa... should I use the ubuntu repos instead?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> tytan, check again or make sure all universe repos are enabled
[13:08] <BluesKaj> BlackDalek, I use the default kodi from the repos, yes...sometimes ppa apps aren't as well maintained as the defaults
[13:09] <tytan> BluesKaj: I only have three repos. I don't see universe
[13:10] <tytan> Have I missed something while installing?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> tytan, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:32] <skysun> Hello
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> hello skysun, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[13:46] <kiilo> some offtopic ... anyone knows some cloning suite with UEFI ipxe support - clonedeploy is offline, cant fix installation after upgrade breaks it
[13:47] <Aliekezhi> hi, since I upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04, I can't access anymore to some smb:\\path shares. In caja (the quivalent of Nautilus under MATE), the error message is : "failed to mount windows share, function not implemented". Any idea how to debug this ?
[13:47] <DanielK_WMDE> Hi! Since I no longer use KDE, and Konversation keeps crashing, I'm looking for a new IRC client.
[13:47] <Aliekezhi> I get this error message after authentification
[13:47] <DanielK_WMDE> What client do you use and recommend?
[13:47] <kiilo> i will have a look at fogproject maybe ... but what i liked in clone deploy is - it just works by pxe boot no need to define a task in webinterface
[13:50]  * DanielK_WMDE is considering testing polari and hexchat.
[13:50] <Aliekezhi> It seems I have the same problem to access smb shares with thunar than caja
[13:54] <qwebirc66449> hello
[13:54] <qwebirc66449> i need help
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> !ask | qwebirc66449
[13:54] <qwebirc66449> i updated ubuntu
[13:55] <qwebirc66449> i updated ubuntu, it reinstalled grub, now i cannot boot into manjaro linux. Manjaro says, kernel panic cannot mount vfs
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> !derivatives | qwebirc66449
[13:58] <BluesKaj> qwebirc66449, try sudo update-grub
[13:59] <cosec> BluesKaj:  ok
[14:14] <multifractal> What does the line `password-flags=-1` mean in Network-Manager config files?
[14:14] <feodoran> something keeps reenabling my second screen. whenever I tell him to disable it (xrandr --output DisplayPort-2 --off), it does so for like a second and then switches it back on. any ideas?
[14:19] <CoolerZ> i can't install mysql-workbench
[14:19] <CoolerZ> on ubuntu 18.04
[14:19] <pragmaticenigma> multifractal: from the documentation: Flags indicating how to handle the "password" property. (see the section called "Secret flag types:" for flag values)
[14:20] <CoolerZ> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gdal/libgdal20_2.2.3+dfsg-2_amd64.deb  Connection failed [IP: 91.189.91.26 80]
[14:20] <CoolerZ> someone try running   sudo apt-get install mysql-workbench
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: run sudo apt update first
[14:20] <CoolerZ> on ubuntu 18.04
[14:21] <CoolerZ> pragmaticenigma, i did that
[14:21] <multifractal> I'm trying to configure a new L2TP connection to my office network but it's failing to connect. Is there a file I can see a log of what's happening in more detail?
[14:21] <CoolerZ> pragmaticenigma, it gets stuck at 66% [Waiting for headers]
[14:22] <CoolerZ> and then it fails after a while
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: Timeouts often mean the mirror is either being updated, or the server is too busy... wait a couple hours and try again
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> you can also try clearning the cache
[14:23] <CoolerZ> pragmaticenigma, how
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: "sudo apt clean all && sudo apt autoclean" usually works for me
[14:25] <pragmaticenigma> multifractal: In my experience, when setting up a VPN connection, it is advisable to call to your office's help desk for assistance. Each VPN setup is unique, and companies often have non-standard implementations that will be difficult for this channel to assist with. You can check syslog to see if anything gets dumped there
[14:26] <feodoran> Its not just DisplayPort-2. I actually have 3 Displays: DisplayPort-0, DisplayPort-2 and HDMI-A-0. I can switch off the first one, and it stays disabled. But the other two are always switched back on.
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: make sure the cable is securely attached... it is possible that the cable is loose enough that it retriggers an attachment
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: try a different cable, I doubt this is a software issue
[14:27] <CoolerZ> pragmaticenigma, can you try it?
[14:27] <CoolerZ> if you are on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[14:27] <feodoran> pragmaticenigma: 2 cables failing at the same time?
[14:28] <Neptu> Hej I have a problem I cannot upgradde kernel from a 16.04.04 to a 16.04.05, i mean I did the dist-upgrade but when i try to get the latest kernel does not work
[14:28] <CoolerZ> well i guess the servers would be different for different regions
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: I already have mysql-workbench installed
[14:28] <Neptu> for updating Im using cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:28] <CoolerZ> try installing something else?
[14:28] <CoolerZ> Err:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/universe amd64 libgdal20 amd64 2.2.3+dfsg-2
[14:28] <CoolerZ>   Connection failed [IP: 91.189.91.26 80]
[14:28] <Neptu> for updating Im using sudo apt install linux-virtual linux-cloud-tools-virtual
[14:28] <CoolerZ> thats a east coast address right?
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> Neptu: to get on latest, you should just update your system
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> Neptu: hastebin us the ouput of: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade please?
[14:29] <Neptu> lotuspsychje: I mean I do not want all the updates i just want the kernel
[14:29] <CoolerZ> pragmaticenigma, i can ping that ip
[14:29] <CoolerZ> so its not unreachable
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> Neptu: its not wise to make seperations like that, keep all your packages up to date at all times
[14:30] <Neptu> lotuspsychje: does not upgraed
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> Neptu: hastebin?
[14:30] <CoolerZ> is there a status dashboard for the package servers?
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | CoolerZ
[14:31] <Neptu> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/1hJ2GEzp
[14:32] <feodoran> pragmaticenigma: for a loose cable to retrigger attachment, wouldn't it require some vibration/movement? this would be a rather random thing to happen. But I can reproduce the reenabling very consistently with 1-2 seconds delay after switch off.
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: I don't have an answer then. It could be a number of things. DPMS could be getting triggered for some reason, could be the display drivers. In my office setup, I have two identical monitors and display port cables... one of the monitors routinely blanks out and on again... as long as I unplug/plug the connector a few times, it usually clears the issue
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> Neptu: lsb_release -a
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: As I said earlier, the server is possbily in the middle of a resync. Wait a couple hours and try again. If you can wait that long, I suggest considering an install from the MySQL website. Note: this channel cannot support the software distributed outside of Ubuntu Package management channels.
[14:36] <Neptu> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/e6ZkxB4b
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> Neptu: so, you are up to date
[14:37] <Neptu> lotuspsychje: sudo apt update && sudo apt install walinuxagent && sudo apt install linux-virtual linux-cloud-tools-virtual &&
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: When the system trys to power save, both monitors contiuously cycle looking for signal... I have a feeling it's a fault of the monitor triggering a reconnect... but have never had the time to trace it. Again, I don't believe this is a software issue, but is a hardware/cabling issue
[14:37] <Guest81029> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[14:37] <Neptu> sudo apt purge linux*azure && sudo reboot does not update me the last kernel
[14:40] <feodoran> pragmaticenigma: I do not have this problem on Win7. I did not have this problem with 16.04. It only shows up now, since I upgraded to 18.04. I do have a new graphic card, which only support a single display output on 16.04, so I do not know whether the same thing would have happened with 16.04 and the new card.
[14:40] <leftyfb> Neptu: which kernel are you running?
[14:40] <Neptu> leftyfb: Linux tt-sl-u16-10 4.4.0-133-generic #159-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 10 07:31:43 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:41] <leftyfb> Neptu: This is on Azure Cloud? I'm pretty sure that uses a shared kernel
[14:41] <Neptu> is more interesting if i upgrade a 16.04.05 then i get the right kernel if i update 16.04.04 i get and old kernel after a full-distupdate
[14:41] <Neptu> leftyfb: yes is azure
[14:42] <leftyfb> Neptu: install the hwe kernel
[14:42] <Neptu> leftyfb: does that mean i cannot upgrade that machine i need to have it physically in another rack?
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: I think you just answered your own question. The card didn't support multiple monitors in the drivers released for 16.04, it does for 18.04. That sounds like a bug
[14:42] <Neptu> what is the hwe kernel?
[14:43] <leftyfb> Neptu: linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[14:43] <CoolerZ> how do you ping a port on localhost?
[14:43] <leftyfb> try installing that ... though not sure if you need some virtual or "azure" or "cloud" kernel or not.
[14:43] <CoolerZ> wait can you ping a specific port?
[14:43] <CoolerZ> i am not sure if icmp even uses ports
[14:43] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: ping is for ip addresses. Not ports. You can use nmap or telnet to see if a port is open
[14:44] <Neptu> leftyfb: sudo apt install linux-virtual linux-cloud-tools-virtual those are the packages i need in theory but they are giving me old versions of the kernel
[14:44] <leftyfb> Neptu: linux-virtual-hwe-16.04
[14:44] <CoolerZ> leftyfb, i need to check if mysql is running on my system on a specific port
[14:44] <feodoran> pragmaticenigma: can I somehow configure the system to ignore newly connected displays? meaning: do not automatically try to output something to them unless explicitly told to
[14:44] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: sudo lsof -i :3306
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: If it was me, and I found it this annoying... I'd just unplug the monitor
[14:46] <feodoran> pragmaticenigma: annoying quick fix, but should do the trick yes
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: Otherwise, if you are using proprietary drivers for your graphics card, see if there is a setting in there to disable the output
[14:47] <nacc> Umeaboy: file a bug?
[14:48] <feodoran> hm...maybe I should first try to install the proprietary one and test if it fixes the problem
[14:48] <Umeaboy> nacc: Right.
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: if this is a new install of MySQL, the installer configures MySQL to ignore external connections by default
[14:49] <CoolerZ> leftyfb, thanks
[14:49] <CoolerZ> pragmaticenigma, good to know
[14:51] <ultrabong18> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[14:55] <WalterQ> Hi all, when I use the option "mouse by keyboard" the pointer is very slow (really too much slow). So I'd like to know, if it can be done, how can I speed up the pointer... (I even tried to go in Mouse and Touchpad tab changing the speed from there but was usefull)
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> WalterQ: you could have a look in dconf-editor perhaps
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> WalterQ: org/gnome/desktop/peripherals perhaps
[14:59] <WalterQ> lotuspsychje, thanks, I'm going to try.
[15:03] <ca_cabot> hey all, i have an app that needs to use python 3.6. I run python -V and it returns 2.7.15rc1, I run apt install python3 and it returns that 3.6.5-3ubuntu1 is already installed?
[15:04] <neelabh> Hello!
[15:04] <ca_cabot> but i still get the error that the app i'm trying to run needs python 3.6 - how can i force it to use python3
[15:08] <tombusby> Hi, I'm having a bit of an issue
[15:08] <tombusby> running updates just hangs at this message:
[15:08] <tombusby> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-32-generic
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> ca_cabot: run with "python3 name_of_script.py"
[15:08] <tombusby> I cancel, then of course I have to release the locks, then I have to do `sudo dpkg --configure -a` then of course it just goes back to trying to install that package
[15:10] <tombusby> does anyone have a solution?
[15:11] <JimBuntu> ca_cabot, shebang!     #!/usr/bin/env/python3      and chmod +x your py file.  Now you can simply call it with a path infront... such as ./script.py or whatnot
[15:12] <ca_cabot> pragmaticenigma, thanks! so now the app is telling me that i need a certain beta version of wxPython, which I installed using pip - is there something i need to do to make it run with python3?
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> ca_cabot: Since you have to version of python, you also have two versions of pip
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> pip3 install will install the python3 specific package
[15:13] <ca_cabot> unable to locate package pip3
[15:13] <ca_cabot> python-pip3 *
[15:14] <tombusby> anyone?
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: For python, it's not recommended to use the #! hint in the script... there are environment variables that get flushed
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | tombusby
[15:14] <JimBuntu> pragmaticenigma, I did not know that, thank you for the info.
[15:14] <tombusby> I know this is a common problem: a package which cannot finish and then renders the system unable to install anything else
[15:15] <ca_cabot> ah, python3-pip
[15:15] <tombusby> Yeah, I'm currently doing exactly that
[15:17] <tombusby> I'm under a lot of time constraint right now and I'm certain someone will have dealt with the exact problem
[15:17] <tombusby> so please, someone take pity on me and tell me how to get out of apt-get failed installation limbo
[15:17] <homa> hi all
[15:18] <tombusby> especially since it appears to be an official ubuntu update which has broken my system
[15:20] <ioria> tombusby, do you have another kernel than 4.15.0-32 ?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> tombusby, after you did configure -a did you try sudo apt -f install  ?
[15:21] <tombusby> `sudo dpkg --configure -a` gets stuck in the same limbo while creating that image. So I cancel it (I have to close to terminal window to end the process), then apt-get won't let me do anything cos the locks are in place, I remove the locks, it tells me I need to run sudo dpkg --configure -a and then I'm back at square 1
[15:21] <tombusby> the package can't install, I can't tell it not to install it
[15:22] <ioria> tombusby, do you have a spare kernel ? like 4.15.0-30 still installed ?
[15:23] <tombusby> Presumably
[15:23] <tombusby> I've no idea
[15:23] <ioria> tombusby, paste  ps faux
[15:23] <ioria> tombusby,  check ls /boot
[15:24] <tombusby> https://pastebin.com/JCVegyvY
[15:24] <tombusby> https://pastebin.com/LLgbWuiS
[15:25] <tombusby> All I need to know really is how to reset apt back to the state before I ran upgrade
[15:26] <tombusby> that's all I need for now
[15:26] <tombusby> I don't need to fix the underlying issue, I just need to be able to install things again, I ran upgrade before doing so as a matter of daily habit
[15:26] <tombusby> I have an interview in about an hour and I really need my computer working
[15:27] <ioria> tombusby,  dpkg -l | grep linux-image | grep ^ii
[15:27] <tombusby> ii  linux-image-4.15.0-30-generic                                    4.15.0-30.32                                amd64        Signed kernel image generic
[15:27] <tombusby> ii  linux-image-4.15.0-32-generic                                    4.15.0-32.35                                amd64        Signed kernel image generic
[15:27] <tombusby> ii  linux-image-generic                                              4.15.0.32.34                                amd64        Generic Linux kernel image
[15:27] <ioria> tombusby,  dpkg -l | grep linux-image | grep ^ii  | pastebinit
[15:28] <tombusby> I don't have pastebinit
[15:28] <tombusby> and obvs can't install it
[15:28] <ioria> tombusby,  dpkg -l | grep linux-image | grep ^ii | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:29] <tombusby> Why though? I've already pased the output of that command above
[15:29] <tombusby> there are three lines
[15:29] <tombusby> I pasted them all into IRC
[15:31] <ioria> tombusby,  the processes are still pending, you should risk a reboot a run again dpkg --configure -a ; if it fails you can boot with the previous 4.15.0-30 kernel
[15:32] <ioria> *and
[15:32] <tombusby> but how do I fix apt's broken state
[15:32] <tombusby> I need to install things
[15:32] <CoolerZ> why do i get command not found when i do sudo cd?
[15:33] <ioria> tombusby, please, read what i wrote, if you want
[15:33] <tombusby> I did
[15:34] <tombusby> "dpkg --configure -a ; if it fails you can boot with the previous 4.15.0-30 kernel" that will ensure I'll be able to boot, but surely apt/dpkg will still have a broken state?
[15:34] <tombusby> and how can I prevent this from occurring next time I run upgrade?
[15:35] <tombusby> because, aparently, despite the fact I've intentionally only kept the official ubuntu apt repos, I can't trust canonical not to send me broken packages
[15:35] <ioria> tombusby, don't you have an interview ?
[15:35] <tombusby> yes.
[15:35] <senaps> hi all, i have a python code that will load environment variables. i will enter each of the with export NAMEOFTHING="value". is there a way to write these all in a file like bashrc and have them set permanently?
[15:35] <ioria> tombusby, so reboot
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> tombusby: You can't. Also, in my experience, running system upgrades or installing new software in 48 hours prior to an important event I need my comptuer for, is always a bad idea. I wouldn't recommend upgrading and installing new applications right before an important event.
[15:36] <tombusby> That's great, if you know you'll be having the important event more than 48 hours in advance.
[15:36] <tombusby> rebooting
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> senaps: This isn't a development channel, please go to #python for help. Also see https://docs.python.org/3.4/library/configparser.html
[15:37] <ioria> tombusby,  if it boots correctly with -32, then try   dpkg --configure -a again
[15:37] <senaps> pragmaticenigma, how is setting environment variables isn't relevant to this channel?
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> senaps: the way you worded your question implie that you only need environment variables for your python script. Environmnet variables are intended for shared access, if only your program/script requires them they shouldn't be environment variables. that's a potential attack vector for your application. Finally, you mentioned python, which is a programming language. That's software development territory far as this
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> channel is concerned.
[15:41] <tombusby> it didn't, I'm waiting to see if it'll boot with 30
[15:41] <tombusby> Ok, it'll boot with 30
[15:42] <senaps> pragmaticenigma, as far as i know, people set their sensitive configs in env of their servers. and if my server is being accessed by anyone besides me, environment variable is the least of my worries! :))) so, can you help me with setting environment variables permanently?
[15:42] <tombusby> booted with 30. Still in the same position with a broken apt state
[15:43] <pragmaticenigma> senaps: learn to google... first result: https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+setting+permanent+environment+variables
[15:43] <ioria> tombusby,   sudo apt full-upgrade  | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:43] <tombusby> as I said, all I need to be able to do is revert apt for now.
[15:44] <bluesmonk> I need help debugging something odd: I have suddenly a bit of space left in /
[15:44] <ioria> tombusby,  revert what ?
[15:44] <bluesmonk> nothing works properly; I don't know what is occupying it
[15:45] <ioria> tombusby,  the -32 kern looks correctly installed, so it's something else
[15:46] <bluesmonk> http://termbin.com/0p62
[15:47] <bluesmonk> My question, more precisely, relates to a mounted hard drive in /media that I have
[15:47] <bluesmonk> if it is mounted, is there a chance it is occupying space in /?
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> bluesmonk: no
[15:48] <bluesmonk> http://termbin.com/96pk
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> bluesmonk: what happens if you run "sudo apt autoremove"
[15:48] <bluesmonk> for file in $(ls); do sudo du -sh $file; done
[15:49] <bluesmonk> I did that and got the termbin gist
[15:49] <bluesmonk> pragmaticenigma: I did that already, 0 stuff removed
[15:50] <bluesmonk> my home and pgdata are mounted in other drives
[15:50] <bluesmonk> so the only thing dragging is media
[15:51] <bluesmonk> and it is in another drive, how can I check that? kinda a $pwd but for drives
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> If you unmounted the device mounted to media, you wouldn't see a difference in the size in "/"
[15:53] <martyn_h> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[15:53] <bluesmonk> actually if I do df . inside /media
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> bluesmonk: Try this, it may take some time... "du -a /var | sort -n -r | head -n 10"
[15:54] <bluesmonk> I get /dev/sda5, which is the same as /
[15:54] <bluesmonk> pragmaticenigma: I will, thanks
[15:54] <bluesmonk> I believe I mounted my second drive terribly
[15:55] <bluesmonk> I can unmount it, because it is in /home
[15:55] <bluesmonk> lol
[15:55] <bluesmonk> I mean /
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> I would power down the system, remove the drive... then bring it back up
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> why are you manually mounting an external drive?
[15:55] <mmkumr> I am using i3wm. How to mount smart phone.
[15:56] <Some_Person22> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[15:56] <bluesmonk> as a second drive, nothing fancy
[15:56] <bluesmonk> mounting manually meaning using the GUI for mounting
[15:56] <bluesmonk> but it lives in /media
[15:57] <bluesmonk> so I am believing I did something wrong
[15:57] <bluesmonk> brb
[15:57] <mmkumr> I have uninstalled Gnome
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> bluesmonk: when you come back, post up your fstab config
[16:04] <feodoran> great another bug: amarok restarts streams instead of stopping them. is this already known?
[16:05] <Xard> should "systemctl status" show all running services or some subset of services?
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: that one I haven't heard of... web search should find the bug ticket if it is known
[16:13] <puxavida> Xard, man systemctl
[16:13] <hammer06517> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[16:16] <Xard> puxavida: "systemctl status --all" got it, thanks
[16:21] <juslintek> Hi, i want to figure out what app is in Ubuntu gome shell top bar
[16:21] <dhbiker> hi... why is it not possible to echo to /sys/class directory from .sh script but from root terminal it's possible to execute that successfully
[16:22] <leftyfb> dhbiker: use tee
[16:23] <dhbiker> leftyfb: already tried same thing : Permission denied
[16:23] <leftyfb> dhbiker: echo "something" | sudo tee /sys/class/something/somethingelse
[16:23] <juslintek> https://i.imgur.com/QlXL77x.jpg
[16:23] <leftyfb> !op | juslintek
[16:24] <dhbiker> this: echo 'manual' | sudo tee /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_force_performance_level
[16:24] <dhbiker> does not work
[16:26] <feodoran> can I downgrade amarok to the version from xenial? the bionic repos only seam to list one version of it ...
[16:26] <leftyfb> feodoran: not without causing all sorts of problems
[16:28] <leftyfb> dhbiker: ls -l /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_force_performance_level
[16:28] <supercool10> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[16:29] <juslintek> Anyone can you tell me what kind of app is that? https://i.imgur.com/AKPc4Dg.png
[16:29] <juslintek> I want to remove it
[16:29] <tomreyn> juslintek: i'm not sure about the yellow one and the one to the right of it. anything else to the right seems to be default. and the left one will be some cpu monitoring extension, check gnome extensions i'd say.
[16:31] <tomreyn> juslintek: what else does its menu say other than "performance"? do you see it in the process list?
[16:31] <Boulet5> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[16:31] <juslintek> tomreyn, I mean the one with SD card looking like CPU usage kind of graph which allows to choose power mode.
[16:32] <dhbiker> leftyfb: it was ' instead of "  thanks for the help
[16:35] <tomreyn> juslintek: can you go to https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ and show which extensions you have installed?
[16:36] <SimonNL> juslintek: cpu frequency applet  ?
[16:36] <juslintek> Ubuntu AppIndicators, PU Power Manager, Screenshot Tool, Ubuntu Dock
[16:36] <juslintek> SimonNL, no the one next to language
[16:36] <juslintek> CPU Power Manager seems like a good tool :-)
[16:37] <juslintek> found it
[16:38] <juslintek> its called indicator-cpufreq
[16:38] <nolsen19> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[16:38] <SimonNL> couldn't you just right click it and have a info option
[16:38] <juslintek> SimonNL, not I couldn't.
[16:39] <SimonNL> works that way on mint
[16:41] <juslintek> well thanx anymay. `sudo apt remove indicator-cpufreq`, it seems useless. :-)
[16:43] <Tin_man> unfortunately linux has a ton of useless apps, I think their so afraid that people will say "is that all the applications for linux?" so the include all the crap that no one will ever need.
[16:44] <Tin_man> but same with android, windows, etc..
[16:45] <Komanda8765>  i must do a python pip upgrade on an old server that hasnt been updated for a couple of years but is humming along just fine
[16:45] <Komanda8765> it throws me ssl errors
[16:45] <Komanda8765> openssl s_client -connect pypi.org:443
[16:45] <Komanda8765> 140279258846888:error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure:s3_pkt.c:1195:SSL alert number 40 140279258846888:error:1409E0E5:SSL routines:SSL3_WRITE_BYTES:ssl handshake failure:s3_pkt.c:591
[16:45] <Komanda8765>  uname -a
[16:45] <Komanda8765> Linux default 2.6.32-312-ec2 #24-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 7 18:30:50 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:46] <Tin_man> probably some security issue that should have been handled long time back..
[16:47] <Komanda8765> no more like bug in ssl version or something
[16:47] <Komanda8765> i assumed first it was a debian server
[16:47] <Komanda8765> but it was an ubuntu server
[16:47] <Komanda8765> might have messed some things up
[16:49] <solo> hello
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> Komanda8765: what version of Ubuntu?
[16:52] <jelly> Komanda8765: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" say?
[16:53] <Komanda8765> jelly: ii  libc6                                   2.11.2-10                     Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> Komanda8765: what version of ubuntu is that server???
[16:53] <jelly> and what does "openssl version" say?
[16:53] <Komanda8765>  Linux default 2.6.32-312-ec2 #24-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 7 18:30:50 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:53] <jelly> that's just the kernel
[16:53] <Komanda8765> OpenSSL 1.0.0e 6 Sep 2011
[16:54] <jelly> that looks vaguely wheezyish
[16:54] <jelly> Komanda8765: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy"
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> jelly: Ask fo rthe actual Ubuntu version...
[16:54] <jelly> pragmaticenigma: you already did, and that libc6 is not from Canonical
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> I know jelly... but you are guessing the kernel will match the Ubuntu version. If the version is too old, it's probably got an old version of OpenSSL which won't support the newer protocols
[16:55] <Komanda8765> https://pastebin.com/4y5r8w8x
[16:55] <Komanda8765> apt-cache policy
[16:56] <Komanda8765> seems like in the past i have assumed it was a debian server instead of a ubuntu server
[16:56] <Komanda8765> and messed some things up
[16:56] <ikonia> lets be real
[16:56] <ikonia> it's not an ubuntu server
[16:56] <Komanda8765> or assumed it was a ubuntu server instead of a debian server
[16:56] <Komanda8765> dunno wtf is going on
[16:56] <kang0> Hi
[16:56] <ikonia> that server needs to go in the bin
[16:56] <ikonia> with all those mixed repos
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> Komanda8765: yeah... that's a server that needs a clean wipe and fresh start
[16:57] <kang0> Anyone having international Sufi info?
[16:57] <ikonia> sufi ?
[16:57] <kang0> Study
[16:57] <Komanda8765> server is still running legacy code
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> kang0: This is an Ubuntu Support channel... Do you have an Ubuntu related support question?
[16:57] <kang0> ikonia: type mistake
[16:57] <ikonia> Komanda8765: put it onto an old build then
[16:57] <ikonia> Komanda8765: rather than that terrible mix
[16:58] <Komanda8765> the backups probably are also messed up
[16:58] <jelly> Komanda8765: that is a horrible mishmash of repos, but judging by libc6 I'd say this used to be a Debian installation with a custom (cloud provider built?) kernel
[16:58] <Komanda8765> is there any way to get pyton praw working
[16:58] <jelly> Komanda8765: basically forget it
[16:58] <ikonia> Komanda8765: we can't support your host in this channel
[16:58] <pragmaticenigma> Komanda8765: based on the versions that listed... you can forget it...
[16:58] <ikonia> I strongly advise you to make a new build
[16:58] <Komanda8765> everything is working fune
[16:58] <Komanda8765> fine
[16:58] <ikonia> no it's not
[16:58] <Komanda8765> i just would like to run a praw upgrade command
[16:59] <ikonia> as you're asking how to upgrade
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> Komanda8765: clearly it is not, as you are here seeking help.
[16:59] <Komanda8765> the legacy stuff is still working fine
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> Komanda8765: It is not
[16:59] <ikonia> Komanda8765: well, it's out of scope for this channel
[16:59] <ikonia> it's up to you what you do then
[16:59] <ikonia> good luck
[17:00] <jelly> Komanda8765: that was a debian between debian 5 and debian 6 a long time ago, with lots of mixing on top.  It's basically unsupportable by any one distro
[17:00] <pragmaticenigma> Komanda8765: You asked for our help, we've given you an answer. We're not willing to support your machine as it is not an Ubuntu installation, and it's too old to be support by Debian or Ubuntu
[17:01] <jelly> Komanda8765: if you absolutely need to mess with this system, I'd say the least worst place to ask would be ##linux as a generic fallback
[17:01] <jelly> (but don't, it might be rather fragile)
[17:12] <Natechip> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[17:57] <CoolerZ> where is the php.ini file?
[17:59] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: for what?
[17:59] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: regardless, for php7, look in /etc/php/7.0/
[18:00] <leftyfb> CoolerZ: you can find the php.ini file for apache, cgi and cli there
[18:01] <sjohnson15> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[18:02] <CarlFK> top shows: %Cpu(s): 48.6 us, 10.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 39.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.9 si,  0.0 st - Is there a command to get that sort of info printed once to stdout?
[18:02] <leftyfb> CarlFK: uptime
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: Depending on which php mode you are going for... web server is under /etc/php/7.x/apache2 and cli is under /etc/php/7.x/cli
[18:03] <CarlFK> leftyfb: that shows load but not cpu%
[18:03] <leftyfb> CarlFK: sysstat or mpstat
[18:04] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK: Look at "man top" it will tell you how to run an output to stdout which you can capture the first line
[18:05] <CarlFK> mpstat looks good - thanks
[18:05] <MrHands13> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK: Or "top -bn1" will output one cycle of top to stdout for parsing
[18:07] <Thunder_Ruler> Quick question, does the Ubuntu WIKI contain a list of supported devices ? As in what proprietary drivers like optane will work with specific laptop models?
[18:08] <leftyfb> Thunder_Ruler: https://certification.ubuntu.com/
[18:09] <WizJin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[18:14] <Char0n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[18:19] <Thunder_Ruler> thank you, I found what I was looking for
[18:25] <solomon> if anyone is interested in a weird DKMS issue.. I created a DKMS package which claims failure when installing the package, even though there's no error reported in `make.log`, and in fact reconfiguring the package with `dpkg-reconfigure` succeeds.  Details at https://github.com/ReplibitLLC/axcient-dkms/pull/4
[18:30] <ibispi> hey, anyone knows how to install the vulture graphical interface for nethack?
[18:30] <ibispi> on ubuntu
[18:33] <leftyfb> ibispi: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-vultures-isometric-graphics-in-ubuntu.html
[18:33] <leftyfb> ibispi: first result on google
[18:33] <ibispi> that's outdated
[18:36] <hggdh> ibispi: and what about this one: https://www.howtoinstall.co/en/ubuntu/xenial/vulture
[18:36] <leftyfb> hggdh: that's not it
[18:36] <leftyfb> ibispi: so use as a template for the newer version of things. Bottom line, what you're asking isn't supported here. You can try to reach out to the Nethack communuty for help.
[18:37] <ibispi> ok
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> ibispi: think your package is also pretty old
[18:38] <ibispi> i found this https://archive.org/details/VultureForNetHackCommunityEdition2.4 so i'll try to install it
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> ibispi: here you can build from source: http://www.nethack.org/v361/download-src.html
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> ibispi: or play it from steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/341390/Vulture_for_NetHack/
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> ibispi: we also have a snap so it seems, looks promising nethack  3.6.1    ogra       -      The popular nethack console adventure
[18:50] <no_gravity> Hello! I pressed CTRL+a_ in screen and it told me "The window is now being monitored for 30 sec. silence.". What does that mean?
[18:51] <ibispi> thanks for the help lotuspsychje
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> !info nethack-x11 | ibispi
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> ibispi: welcome, seems you have options now
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: can you start from the beginning please, ubuntu version, details, what are you trying to do and when you get this error?
[18:53] <no_gravity> lotuspsychje: What error? It's a function of screen. Press CTRL a and then SHIFT - and you will see.
[18:53] <no_gravity> lotuspsychje: I wonder what it is for.
[18:59] <CarlFK> how do I tell if my kernel has all the cpu exploit patches?
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> !info rasdaemon | CarlFK try this
[19:02] <CarlFK> lotuspsychje: um.. it says: rasdaemon: Listening to events for cpus 0 to 3
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> CarlFK: did you start the systemd service?
[19:07] <CarlFK> lotuspsychje: looks like the apt install did: Active: active (running) since Fri 2018-08-17 14:00:41 CDT; 6min ago
[19:08] <tomreyn> CarlFK: https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker is quite unseful IMO. you could also inspect this manually (just look at the script source code), though.
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> nice find tomreyn seems like repos got it
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> !info spectre-meltdown-checker | CarlFK
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> gonna test myself
[19:10] <tomreyn> oh, i wasnt aware it's in ubuntu. you want it from git, though.
[19:10] <CarlFK> yes, very nice - thanks
[19:18] <crga> hi all. Just finally fixed installing 18.04.01 on my laptop. I only have some other issues that needs fixing. I can't use the touchpad at all, only a connected mouse. how would I start on resolving this ?
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> crga: start with providing more information please, make and model of the laptop is good place to start
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> crga: does gnome systsemsettings detect your touchpad?
[19:20] <crga> pragmaticenigma: well its a BTO so I cant give you a make and model.
[19:21] <JGalt> having trouble installing ubunto 18.04 server (yes server) on my laptop.  i want it dual boot with windows 10.  the installer however seems to have no way to share the disk, ubuntu wants it all!  im using GPT and secure boot.
[19:22] <pragmaticenigma> crga: I do not know what "BTO" means or represents. Please avoid using abbreviations as they do not translate for everyone
[19:22] <JGalt> how can i install server as dual boot?
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: better then others, BTO is a barebone laptop company
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> JGalt: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[19:24] <otherRick> Hi, I declare a fixed-regulator in the device tree of a iMx6 and associate a gpio; but when examine the state of the gpios it's mark as 'lo'
[19:24] <otherRick> I expect that the gpio turn to 'high' on boot time
[19:24] <crga_> I lost internet connection so i had to refresh the browser. I lost previous chat
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> otherRick: Is this a programming question?
[19:24] <otherRick> yeah
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> crga_: try install inxi, then inxi -F might give you model
[19:25] <crga_> lotuspsychje: oke, thanks. Also when i go to the settings I can only see "General"  and "Mouse"
[19:25] <otherRick> but if is possible enabled on the user space, can be good
[19:25] <ZexaronS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[19:26] <pragmaticenigma> otherRick: if you responded, I missed anything said in the last few moments
[19:27] <JGalt> pragmaticenigma: the boot media boots fine, both the installer stick and windows, just that the installer wont give me an option as is usually given in the partitioning step
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> JGalt: I'm not familiar with UEFI installations... I just know that page holds the directions for installation
[19:28] <tomreyn> otherRick: since programming questions aren't exactly OS support questions, this is not the best place to ask them
[19:28] <crga_> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/YksknPVr
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> crga_: you are still on .29 kernel
[19:29] <crga_> that's bad ?
[19:30] <crga_> I did a fresh install just today
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> crga_: can you: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade please?
[19:30] <crga_> sure
[19:30] <JGalt> pragmaticenigma: im not sure its a uefi/gpt problem.  just that the installer doesnt give the expected options
[19:30] <tomreyn> otherRick: i suggest to check back with the support channels of the SOC you're using there.
[19:32] <crga_> lotuspsychje: yes, hold on
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> JGalt: It's not reading the local disk because it's currently protected by UEFI... I don't know more than that then to read through that documentation and verify all the recommendations have been followed
[19:34] <otherRick> I need more info about the fixed-regulator module of kernel because the board works, I can deattach the gpio of the reguator declaration and turn on; but is a walkaround
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> otherRick: As you have been told... This is not the right channel for those questions. This is for Ubuntu support only. Not development or hardware support. Please find the correct channel for your questions.
[19:36] <mouses> So - anyone want to save a mouses from a year of trouble shooting / headaches?  Running Ubuntu 16.04 + i3 window manager, I ssh into my server using xfceterm, everything is fine for a hour to a day or so, and then - boom - this kind of stuff starts happening.  I have no idea, and I've tried most everything.  Would be grateful for any pointers.  https://imgur.com/a/nveKta9
[19:36] <otherRick> Ok
[19:36] <crga_> lotuspsychje: its working on the upgrade. somehow the wifi is really slow and instable on the device. so ill be back in a few when it's done. thanks so far :)
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> crga_: no problem, after updates reboot please, try touchpad again
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> mouses: Either your graphics card is overheating or there is some sort of memory leak
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> mouses: system up to date? graphics card chipset, driver version please?
[19:38] <mouses> pragmaticenigma: That's the first thing I thought too - but it happens on idential out of the box hardware :(
[19:38] <mouses> lotuspsychje: Let me check that for you and give you a pastebin, moment.
[19:40] <mouses> lotuspsychje: this what you needed?  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:22b1] (rev 35) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> mouses: more a: lsb_release -a and sudo lshw -C video
[19:41] <mouses> lotuspsychje: that returns a bunch of errors, not sure - let me bin that for you
[19:41] <pvh_sa> Hi there... is there a FAQ or list of problems somewhere related to 16.04 to 18.04 upgrades? I did a release upgrade somewhere and I've been running into a few problems, the most annoying of which is that certain apps (Enpass, VS Code) seem to have messed up / out of proportion fonts...
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> mouses: those were 2 commands
[19:41] <mouses> lotuspsychje: little confused there, can you break that down a bit for me?
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> mouses: ok lets start with your version first: lsb_release -a
[19:42] <tonyt> both commands are spereated by and
[19:42] <mouses> lotuspsychje: sorry, i'm not that bad with terminal but playing with drivers and stuff like that is a little over my head
[19:42] <mouses> lotuspsychje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vTzzfN7Jdn/
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> mouses: sorry we only support plain ubuntu here mate
[19:44] <mouses> lotuspsychje: Ugh :(  I've tried everywhere and no one has any clue :(
[19:44] <mouses> lotuspsychje: this really is plain ubuntu just with keyboard/mouse drivers for the hardware :(
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> mouses: we welcome you, if you install a vanilla ubuntu version from the topic here
[19:44]  * mouses sighs - thanks for the time, mate :(
[19:44] <mouses> lotuspsychje: been trying to fix this for a year :(
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> mouses: this channel is online alot, consider it ok
[19:45] <mouses> lotuspsychje: any idea what channel I might be able to find some help for this or do you personally have any ideas that we could take to PM and discuss?  I'm desperate to figure this out.
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> mouses: start here mate: https://wiki.galliumos.org/Community
[19:46] <insans> hai,,,
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> pvh_sa: did you add those packages by ppa?
[19:48] <crga_> lotuspsychje: still not working
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> mouses: #galliumos
[19:48] <mouses> lotuspsychje: I'm a galliumOS dev lol - we've tried everything
[19:49] <mouses> lotuspsychje: it's either i3, weechat, or my terminal I guess
[19:49] <mouses> lotuspsychje: working with the weechat people now
[19:49] <mouses> lotuspsychje: thanks again :)
[19:49] <uju456> What does parenthesis and number insite them mean If we referring to manual? For example ntp_acc(5) . What does (5) mean?
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> mouses: install an ubuntu, compare to your system, see if it works as a test
[19:50] <mouses> uju456: that number refers to the section of the manual
[19:50] <mouses> in that case, ntp_acc section 5
[19:50] <mouses> lotuspsychje: very hard to do that on chromebook hardware, default ubuntu lacks driver support.
[19:50] <uju456> Can I go to this section directly ?
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> mouses: with crouton then maybe?
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> crga_: try this perhaps: sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[19:51] <pvh_sa> uju456, that is the "section" in the manual. So for examine (8) is generally sysadmin commands, (3) is generally library functions. So for example `man 3 printf` is the printf function (the C library one), `man 1 printf` is the printf command
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> pvh_sa: every lts upgrade is unique so we dont store a list with general issues
[19:52] <mouses> uju456: man [section-name] [command], for example, man 2 read or man 5 crontab
[19:54] <petro> is ubuntu 19.04 going to fix all the bugs in 18.10?
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> crga_: probably you tested also Fn+F6 key (touchpad) ?
[19:54] <petro> 18.04 is crap
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> petro: only ubuntu issues here please
[19:54] <petro> ubuntu 18.04 is buggy and slow
[19:55] <johnny569> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> petro: please dont generalize things like that here
[19:55] <crga_> lotuspsychje: yes FN+F6 does nothing. Also after installing the synaptics package
[19:55] <petro> i had to reboot/restart my computer again because it froze
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> crga_: ok out of ideas then mate, re-ask in the channel
[19:56] <crga_> Thanks for your efforts lotuspsychje
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> crga_: perhaps take a look in dconf-editor aswell
[19:59] <crga_> Anyone here might help me get my touchpad to work on ubuntu 18.04?
[20:00] <crga_> My touchpad is not workin on 18.04 fresh install, also not after installing synaptics driver
[20:00] <borsin11> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[20:01] <mouses> crga_: what kind of touchpad is it?
[20:01] <crga_> I have no clue, how could I find out ?
[20:03] <crga_> mouses how would I go about finding this out ?
[20:03] <chingus> tvheadend snap installed, starts, but will not allow me to login, pointers?
[20:04] <pragmaticenigma> chingus: where did you aquire the snap?
[20:05] <chingus> snap store
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> Was it acquired through the Ubuntu software store?
[20:06] <chingus> pragmaticenigma, yes
[20:06] <mouses> crga_: cat /proc/bus/input/devices might give you what you need
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> chingus: tvheadend snap or package is not provided in the official Ubuntu software store. It's not supported here.
[20:08] <crga_> mouses: I don't see anythig called touchpad. at most I see something called "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"
[20:09] <mouses> crga_: how about:
[20:09] <mouses> dmesg |grep input
[20:09] <chingus> pragmaticenigma, are you saying:https://snapcraft.io/search?category=&q=tvheadend is not supported?
[20:10] <crga_> mouses: no touchpad listed
[20:11] <OerHeks> chingus, it is supported by the developer Daniel Llewellyn, and the license is unknown to us, it maybe ad-ware
[20:12] <jennie> hello, can someone please help me, this 5TB HDD 3.5 inch, i am trying to copy 2TB worth of data in it and its saying ' not enough disk space', i formatted the HDD in ubuntu under NTFS partition, how to make single 5TB partition?
[20:12] <mouses> crga_: hmmm, one more for me:
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> chingus: Correct... that is not a site monitored by Ubuntu or Canonical. You will have to contact the developer of the program for assistance. A search of google shows a lot of various locations where people are finding help for that program.
[20:12] <mouses> crga_: xinput list
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> chingus: monitored => managed
[20:13] <crga_> mouses: does not show anything like touchpad.
[20:13] <nikow27> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[20:13] <chingus> OerHeks, so I guess I'm confused, is snapcraft.io the ubuntu store?
[20:13] <mouses> crga_: ugh :(  Maybe bad hardware?  Can you USB boot a different OS and touchpad works?
[20:13] <crga_> mouses: touchad works on windows 10, installed also toda on this system
[20:14] <mouses> crga_: dang it :(  No idea, sorry :(
[20:14] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: Under the default settings for fomatting NTFS partitions, the max size is 4 TB
[20:14] <crga_> mouses: thanks anyway mate
[20:14] <chingus> pragmaticenigma, ok, didn't see your response, thanks, I'll stop pestering:)
[20:15] <jennie> pragmaticenigma: ok, I will make 4TB partition then, which should be like how many gbs/
[20:16] <pragmaticenigma> I will correct my previous statement as I didn't notice snapcraft.io is operated by Canonical. However, the software published there is supported by the developers directly. Since the documation for those snaps is not provided on Ubuntu's wiki's and help sites, we aren't going to be able to support it well enough. Compared to the developer and the sites and forums they have setup for their software.
[20:16] <OerHeks> chingus, you could file a bugreport, but he has got to fix the issue, snapscraft io is owned as a platform, yes
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: what tool are you using to partition your drive?
[20:19] <chingus> pragmaticenigma, thanks for the clarification
[20:24] <univern> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and NetworkManager won't connect to anything, can anyone help? Thanks
[20:25] <univern> It can't see any WiFi networks, and connecting directly via Ethernet (with an Ethernet/USB dongle) doesn't work either
[20:25] <univern> "sudo ifconfig" shows an Ethernet links, which is "up", but no IP address has been assigned
[20:25] <univern> ping 8.8.8.8 returns nothing
[20:26] <univern> Poking around the standard config files (/etc/resolv.conf, /etc/network/interfaces, etc.) doesn't seem to help because NetworkManager does everything
[20:27] <univern> Running "sudo NetworkManager -d" returns "device (enp0s31f6): state change: unmanaged -> unavailable (reason 'managed')"
[20:28] <univern> (plus a bunch of other output, but I'm not sure what's relevant)
[20:28] <pragmaticenigma> univern: Please stop.... if someone is available to address your issue, they will respond
[20:29] <mouses> univern: Can you pastebin the results of sudo iwconfig
[20:30] <mouses> univern: also the results of: sudo lspci -vvnn | grep Network
[20:31] <univern> @mouses: It's hard to pastebin anything because the laptop has no network connection, but iwconfig just returns "no wireless extensions" on all connections (enp0s31f6, lo, docker0)
[20:31] <mouses> univern: sounds like hardware is not even detected.
[20:31] <mouses> univern: are you using that ubunutu 16.04 GUI?
[20:32] <jennie> pragmaticenigma: I am usgin regular Ubuntu disk utility tool
[20:32] <mouses> univern: does going into system -> settings -> software updates -> additional drivers maybe show a wireless driver needing to be installed?
[20:32] <mouses> univern: (not 100% sure if that's the way to get there, but 'additional drivers' should be a option somewhere in settings)
[20:32] <univern> mouses: Hrm. I'm using the standard 16.04 GUI (Unity) with a terminal app for command line
[20:32] <mouses> univern: go into the GUI settings and poke about for 'additional drivers'
[20:33] <mouses> univern: ahh!  Software centers -> right most tab -> additional drivers
[20:33] <univern> mouses: Additional drivers shows "No additional drivers available" (although maybe it can't detect them if there's no Internet?)
[20:33] <mouses> univern: grrrrr
[20:34] <mouses> yeah that might be the issue
[20:34] <mouses> no working LAN/WLAN makes it tricky lol
[20:34] <univern> mouses: The lspci command returns "02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:24fd] (rev 78)"
[20:35] <mouses> univern: does your wifi password include any non standard characters?
[20:35] <univern> No, but that doesn't seem like it should matter since it can't connect via Ethernet either
[20:35] <mouses> univern: yeah, was thinking that :(
[20:35] <mouses> univern: do you still have your install media handy?
[20:35] <univern> Yes
[20:35] <mouses> can you boot a live session and if so - same issue in a live session?
[20:36] <univern> I tried live boot/chroot/apt update; apt upgrade but that didn't work
[20:36] <univern> No the live session works fine
[20:36] <mouses> okay, so that helps narrow it down
[20:36] <mouses> live session works fine...
[20:36] <mouses> post install does not
[20:36] <mouses> what are you changing between the two
[20:37] <univern> This is many months post-install, so a large number of things might have changed
[20:37] <univern> (it quit working just recently)
[20:37] <mouses> ayyyy
[20:37] <mouses> univern: is a 'backup all user data and reinstall' an option?
[20:38] <mouses> univern: might be easier than figuring out what exactly is going on :(
[20:38] <univern> It's always an option, but that's a pain of course
[20:38] <univern> Nod
[20:38] <mouses> yeah :(
[20:38] <mouses> univern: Remember anything you installed before the problem started that had anything to do with network management?
[20:38] <univern> No, sorry
[20:39] <mouses> univern: this is why I take a image every week :)
[20:39] <univern> Hah. Yeah
[20:39] <mouses> univern: moment, digging.
[20:39] <univern> The wireless model from the laptop specs is "Intel® Dual-Band Wireless AC (2 x 2) 8265 + Bluetooth® 4.1 with vPro™" if that helps
[20:39] <mouses> univern: lswh shows the Ethernet interface?
[20:40] <sanket> Hello people - does anybody know when will 16.04 folks get the 18.04.1 update ?
[20:40] <mouses> univern: for the heck of it, try this for me
[20:40] <mouses> univern: in your terminal fire off thisL
[20:40] <mouses> systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
[20:40] <mouses> and then check LAN connection
[20:40] <univern> mouses: sudo lshw -C network shows two networks, one is "UNCLAIMED" with description "Network controller", the other has description "Ethernet interface"
[20:41] <mouses> univern: *nods* try that last thing, any change?
[20:42] <univern> mouses: Don't think so. I've tried killing and restarting NetworkManager a bunch of times, mucked around with the config files based on various StackOverflow suggestions
[20:42] <univern> None of them appeared to do anything
[20:42] <sanket> exit
[20:42] <mouses> univern: okay, more ideas - so do a ifconfig -a
[20:42] <mouses> univern: what is the name of the ethernet adapter
[20:42] <mouses> something like enpsXX?
[20:43] <univern> mouses: There's a docker0 Ethernet adapter but I assume we don't care about that. What I think is the main one is "enp0s31f6". And there's lo of course.
[20:43] <mouses> ahhhh
[20:43] <mouses> univern: okay, now we are cooking with fire
[20:43] <mouses> univern: ethtool enp0s31f6
[20:44] <mouses> univern: Link detected = yes?
[20:44] <lunaticedit> Hey, I have safe boot enabled, I let ubuntu install the key and all that. It boots just fine, but Grub always says 'booting in unsecure mode' and in low resolution.. any ideas?
[20:44] <univern> mouses: Yeah I tried that before when searching StackOverflow. It shows a bunch of config settings but "Link detected" is "no".
[20:44] <univern> (I've tested this Ethernet cable with another machine and confirmed it's live.)(
[20:45] <lunaticedit> er secure boot
[20:45] <mouses> univern: link detected = 'no' is worrying
[20:45] <mouses> univern: for testing - can you remove that docker interface
[20:45] <siinus`2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[20:45] <mouses> univern: perhaps that is causing your issues?
[20:46] <univern> mouses: What's the command for that?
[20:46] <lunaticedit> (also secure boot is enabled per mokutil)
[20:46] <mouses> univern: ip link del docker0
[20:46] <mouses> univern: also after that
[20:47] <univern> mouses: Done
[20:47] <mouses> nmcli connection delete docker0
[20:47] <mouses> okay good - now restart the network manager
[20:47] <mouses> systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
[20:47] <univern> mouses: nmcli errors out, "unknown connection", I assume since it's already deleted
[20:47] <mouses> univern: yup, just making sure
[20:48] <univern> univern: Restarted, no apparent change to anything
[20:48] <univern> well, except ifconfig has two entries instead of 3
[20:48] <mouses> univern: link detected in ethtool still shows 'no'?
[20:48] <univern> Yes
[20:48]  * mouses growls
[20:49] <mouses> univern: well, i'm about out of ideas on that :(
[20:49] <tommy_> hello!
[20:49] <univern> mouses: Okay. Thanks for your help
[20:49] <mouses> univern: sorry I could not fix it :(  Maybe just deal with the PITA of a backup/fresh install :(
[20:55] <tommym> hello!
[20:56] <pakcjo> Hello, I have a question about repositories: are the packages in bionic-security main eventually moved into bionic main?
[20:58] <tommym> I have a question about nvidia drivers - does anyone suggest a certain driver version to pair with a GTX 970?
[20:59] <tommym> I'm not getting great performance from v.390
[20:59] <tommym> ^ ubuntu 18.04
[21:01] <xamithanx> I got that card and no issues on 384
[21:02] <xamithanx> Maybe you could try the 396 beta or downgrade
[21:03] <tommym> I'm a noob to ubuntu and linux in general. when I do apt purge *nvidia and then apt install nvidia-384 I get a black screen on login. is there something else I need to do?
[21:04] <xamithanx> Do you reboot between the purge and install?
[21:04] <tommym> i do
[21:04] <tommym> well i believe i did
[21:05] <tommym> I also make sure to uncomment  waylandenable=false in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf to no avail
[21:06] <tommym> when I install v.390 or v.396 through software & update -> additional updates it somehow makes those drivers work without needing to uncomment that line
[21:06] <xamithanx> It detects it and disables wayland automatically
[21:07] <xamithanx> You could try the nvidia PPA or just install it directly from website if the regular ubuntu repos aren't working
[21:12] <tommym> I'm pulling them from the nvidia PPA
[21:13] <tommym> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia this guide says I need linux-restricted-modules-XXX installed, but i don't see those installed nor in a repo on search
[21:13] <tommym> are those still needed in 18.04?
[21:15] <xamithanx> Those are for the kernel,  its probably already in there.  I'm still on 16 so I can't really check
[21:37] <trineroks> https://i.imgur.com/uULIw8F.png why am I coming across this issue when trying to run "sh ./autogen.sh"? I can confirm I am in the right folder which does contain a the shell script "autogen.sh"
[21:39] <trineroks> if it helps, I am using the Ubuntu terminal for Windows 10
[21:40] <tommym> windows' WSL is the reason why I switched my desktop to an ubuntu / win10 dual boot
[21:41] <tommym> try /bin/bash autogen.sh
[21:42] <trineroks> I'm now getting this
[21:42] <trineroks> https://i.imgur.com/LUp05kj.png
[21:42] <trineroks> why does my output look all messed up too, also?
[21:43] <tommym> dunno, but i think you now have an issue with your script itself
[21:43] <tommym> but at least bash is now running it
[21:43] <trineroks> I am ripping my hair out right now. I just want to get this working so I can debug subversion
[21:44] <xamithanx> You could always make a post on the github WSL issues board
[21:44] <xamithanx> a gigantic amount of things are still broken in wsl
[21:45] <tommym> ^ this
[21:45] <trineroks> oh well that's just great
[21:47] <tommym> like in order for me to be able to work on web dev projects and open them in atom via my terminal, I had to 1) clone the project to the windows drive that linux mounts 2) install atom in windows 3) create an "atom" alias on the ubuntu side to the .exe file path on windows
[21:47] <tommym> it was ridiculous
[21:48] <tommym> and then WSL updates would routinely mess things up
[21:48] <Fuseteam[m]> oh my goo
[21:49] <tommym> i use a macbook pro through work but I tried to use WSL for personal stuff on my gaming pc
[21:49] <tommym> it's not worth it
[21:51] <tommym> so are the nvidia 384 drivers just not meant to run on 18.04? i'm confused on how this works
[21:52] <deadbit> Hi guys; does wubi still work?
[21:52] <tommym> every time i install something from the driver PPA that isn't 390 / 396 meta packages the system black screes on lopin
[21:53] <deadbit> Ok; I was at the Ubuntu site for certified installs for Dell machines. I'm looking for the 18.04 install with the correct driver for the Dell XPS 13
[21:53] <deadbit> Does the aetheros driver work with all interfaces on that model? I can't find a clear answer, because they have the general builds and not the specific 9365
[21:56] <DenSchub8> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[22:00] <nacc> deadbit: ime, if you can get a machine with a non-atheros device, you will be happier
[22:00] <e28> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[22:00] <nacc> deadbit: but i'm not sure which page you are looking at specifically, and what is confusing you htere
[22:01] <QwertyChouskie> Are there plans to get Linux 4.18 in 18.10?
[22:01] <nacc> QwertyChouskie: #ubuntu+1
[22:01] <QwertyChouskie> Trying to use aarch64 Ubuntu on the Pi 3b+
[22:03] <benoliver99910> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[22:03] <deadbit> nacc, no that was it
[22:04] <nacc> deadbit: i've had no troubles, e.g., using intel wifi devices
[22:04] <deadbit> i didn't want to have to install the atheros devic; only because from experience. it's wonky at best and in ##linux someone just randomly posted 18.04 blew up their networking
[22:04] <deadbit> nacc, are you saying intel device with atheros?
[22:04] <nacc> deadbit: no.
[22:04] <deadbit> ah!
[22:04] <nacc> deadbit: i'm saying don't use atheros if there is any option
[22:04] <deadbit> understood. driver:intel
[22:05] <deadbit> if possible, nacc right?
[22:05] <nacc> deadbit: as in, configure your laptop to be assembled with an intel wifi device :)
[22:05] <nacc> right
[22:05] <deadbit> yes I do; i'm actually using it right now but with windows. I just wanted to make sure there's no bugginess when migrating to ubuntu
[22:05] <nacc> deadbit: you can always try the live?
[22:05] <deadbit> it's been a long time for me using ubuntu and i don't remember it well
[22:06] <deadbit> yeah; i'm doing that next. with nonatheros drivers.
[22:06] <deadbit> if possible; I got the decent build for the XPS; just got windows in a haste because 18.04 was going to be coming out and i didn't want 16.04
[22:07] <tommym> when i do apt install nvidia-384 all of the packages it asks to install are labeled as 390
[22:07] <tommym> https://pastebin.com/Gu2Y8BHx
[22:07] <tommym> am i missing something here?
[22:08] <deadbit> maybe a mislabel; i've also seen where they update the repository and not the naming convention
[22:09] <nacc> tommym: are you on 18.04?
[22:09] <tommym> I am. Is that why?
[22:09] <nacc> tommym: did you read the description of the nvidia-384 package?
[22:10] <tommym> i honestly don't completely know what a transitional package means - is that testing for 390?
[22:10] <nacc> tommym: it's so people that are upgrading from an older release get the correct version, typically
[22:10] <nacc> tommym: but the point is the description says that what you are seeing is expected.
[22:11] <tommym> I see. I am new to this
[22:11] <tommym> so I need to keep going back until I find one whose description states that it is actually 384?
[22:11] <nacc> tommym: what?
[22:11] <nacc> tommym: the nvidia driver for 18.04 is 390, afaik
[22:12] <tommym> I asked before if drivers below 390 weren't meant to work with 18.04
[22:12] <nacc> i didn't see that, sorry
[22:12] <tommym> i'm trying to understand how drivers work in ubuntu - 390 and 396 aren't giving me the best performance on my GTX 970
[22:13] <qwebirc95846> What linux is best for a desktop computer ? If i can run Windows 7 i can also run Ubuntu ?
[22:13] <tommym> no worries, i'm just trying to understand is al
[22:13] <tommym> all *
[22:13] <nacc> qwebirc95846: this is a support channel. You probably want ##linux or #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:14] <tommym> but if anything below 390 isn't meant to work in 18.04 then that would explain why stuff seems to always break when I install these older versions
[22:14] <nacc> tommym: i honestly don't know. i don't use any such things.
[22:14] <tommym> nvidia cards are such a pain in the butt
[22:21] <batmensch> hey, got a problem with Cosmic Cuttlefish.  Today when I did an update I got a conflict between gnome-session and ubuntu-session, and now gnome is hosed.
[22:21] <nacc> batmensch: #ubuntu+1
[22:21] <batmensch> Any thoughts on how to fix it?
[22:22] <batmensch> nacc: is that a channel to join?
[22:22] <xamithanx> Yes do it
[22:24] <nacc> batmensch: yes, 18.10 is not supported here
[22:24] <batmensch> nacc: thank you.  +1 is telling me I need to be identified with the service.  Not sure how to do that.
[22:27] <hcaley> nacc: i'm in.  Thank you.
[22:34] <dexter_> hello
[22:35] <dexter_> what does it do - du -h /dev/sda1. I get zero. Does it mean zero MB left?
[22:36] <nacc> dexter_: you don't normally du a disk
[22:36] <nacc> dexter_: you du paths on your filesystem
[22:37] <nacc> dexter_: df is what you want if you are querying the disk
[22:37] <possiblyanowl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[22:37] <JGalt> having trouble installing 18.04 server dual boot with windows 10.  both are uefi mode.  following the uefi mode instructions.  installer wont let me use the remaining disk space.  the only choice is to use the whole disk thus obliterating windows 10.  help, how do I install this?
[22:37] <dexter_> macc what does it mean to query the disk?
[22:38] <nacc> dexter_: you gave it a disk device node (/dev/...)
[22:38] <nacc> dexter_: what are you trying to do ?
[22:38] <tomreyn> JGalt: use the alternative server installer
[22:38] <dexter_> macc check how much space i have on /dev/sda1.
[22:39] <dexter_> sorry, it's nacc.
[22:39] <nacc> dexter_: /dev/sda1 is a partiton.
[22:40] <nacc> dexter_: do you mean how much space you have left on the filesystem on /dev/sda1 ?
[22:40] <JGalt> alternative server installer?  link?  havn't heard of that.
[22:40] <nacc> dexter_: use `df -h /dev/sda1`
[22:40] <nacc> dexter_: or `du -h /path/to/where/sda1/is/mounted`
[22:40] <tomreyn> JGalt: next to there you downloaded the 'live-server' installer from
[22:41] <nacc> iirc, one is on cdimage and one is on release
[22:41] <tomreyn> JGalt: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads#alternate-ubuntu-server-installer
[22:41] <nacc> and/or that :)
[22:41] <nacc> there is also #ubuntu-server, fwiw
[22:42] <dexter_> nacc it worked! So how would I use du instead?
[22:44] <nacc> dexter_: i just told you?
[22:45] <aOssed25> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[22:46] <dexter_> nacc, yeah, so I did du -h /dev/sda1 and it returned 0. Did I do it right? Does it mean, that there's zero % left?
[22:46] <hggdh> dexter_: you don't du block devices, you du directories and files
[22:48] <nacc> dexter_: no.
[22:48] <nacc> dexter_: please read what i wrote again
[22:48] <nacc> dexter_: also consult `man df` and `man du`
[22:48] <JGalt> tomreyn: the link just indirectly takes me to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/ which im pretty sure is the image i already have
[22:48] <tomreyn> pretty or entoirely sure? what's the name of the iso you downloaded last time?
[22:49] <nacc> tommym: -live and -server are in different locations
[22:49] <nacc> tomreyn: --^ rather
[22:49] <tomreyn> yes, i know
[22:49] <nacc> JGalt: that's the server iso, which is the old installer
[22:50] <nacc> JGalt: if you have subiquity, the new installer gui, then you used the -live iso, which is different
[22:53] <JGalt> nacc: the issue is the old installer isn't giving me the option i need to do a dual boot install.  it only offers to use the whole disk
[22:53] <tomreyn> no, that's the new live-server installer
[22:54] <tomreyn> looking like this https://tr1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2018/05/23/ae080c21-e667-4387-9c33-8858da2e8d34/14a7b1548a68200736b221c89c7bcc81/ubuntu18a.jpg
[22:54] <nacc> JGalt: that's the new installer, not the old, i think
[22:54] <nacc> the 'default' server innstaller is the new one
[22:55] <JGalt> k let me look again
[22:55] <tomreyn> this is the old / alternate installer https://www.howtoforge.com/images/ubuntu-17.10-artful-aardvark-minimal-server/ubuntu-server-17-10_3.png
[22:57] <JGalt> yea, just checked, I've got the live one... its a real pita.  I'll try the alt link
[23:05] <dexter_> nacc thanks
[23:07] <BlackDalek> Anyone know what could be causing this weird problem? Every time I install Kodi on this system (Ubuntu 16.04.4) the dash crashes when I click the super menu and unity7 terminates and respawns. This continues to happen until I purge kodi and reboot.
[23:08] <BlackDalek> Then if I reinstall kodi again, the dash crashes again
[23:19] <ash_worksi> can i check if a process is redirecting? ps aux doesn't show that right?
[23:20] <Bashing-om> ash_worksi: ' pstree ' ?
[23:21] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: What source are you installing Kodi from?
[23:22] <sirriffsalothp> Hi! After the need for passwords in freenode I have trouble autoconnecting to certain channels, and I can't figure out how to keybind so that after I've logged in, I join all my desired channels. Is there a way to configure this?
[23:22] <sirriffsalothp> I'm using Konversation
[23:23] <pragmaticenigma> sirriffsalothp: this should help: https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-network/konversation/serverlist.html
[23:24] <sirriffsalothp> pragmaticenigma: I've already set this, but once I get logged in it joins the first in the list but doesn't manage the next ones...
[23:25] <pragmaticenigma> sirriffsalothp: you use the add button for each room you would like to join?
[23:25] <pragmaticenigma> sirriffsalothp: rather, you enter each room separately, using the add button for each one?
[23:26] <sirriffsalothp> pragmaticenigma: no, it can take multiple channels in the same list, no? That worked before
[23:26] <sirriffsalothp> pragmaticenigma: guess I'll do it the hard way then, cheers :)
[23:26] <pragmaticenigma> sirriffsalothp: no, it might work depending if you use the proper separator, but I'm not familiar with that and not all servers support it
[23:26] <jennie> hello guys, is there any alternate for this software in Linux world? http://www.tucsen.com/Home/Product/download/dataid/3/id/19.html  its a microcope i want to use in LInux
[23:27] <sirriffsalothp> pragmaticenigma: hm
[23:28] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: you can try using the default webcam software like cheeze to see if it works
[23:29] <pragmaticenigma> !info cheese | jennie
[23:29] <martyn_h> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[23:30] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, it seems to make no difference what source I install it from. I've tried both the default ubuntu repos and also the official kodi maintainer's ppa... the dash crashing happens with both versions.
[23:30] <pragmaticenigma> I think since you've been at this for over 24 hours... I'd recommend submitting a bug report
[23:32] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: ^ ^ ^
[23:33] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, ok
[23:34] <pragmaticenigma> I believe it to be something specific to your system, (I ran Kodi from the beginning of 16.04 with no issues.) Either the bug report or heading to the KODI forums may produce better results for you
[23:35] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: ^ ^ ^ (sorry I keep forgetting to tag your nick)
[23:36] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, it's OK, I saw it
[23:37] <johnpark_pj> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[23:38] <Bilbo> How does one use package manager to remove a kernel? Or otherwise instructions for removing kernels manually or giving update manager sudo permission?
[23:39] <tomreyn> Bilbo: which ubuntu release? lsb_release -ds
[23:41] <Bilbo> 16.02
[23:41] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: there is no Ubuntu release 16.02
[23:42] <Bilbo> er 16.04
[23:43] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: You can use this guide to remove older, unused kernels: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[23:47] <Mercster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[23:48] <Bilbo> pragmaticenigma: Right now I lack root partition space and can not load new pages, so would you please relay the instructions from that page
[23:48] <Bilbo> Thats why I want to delete the old kernels in the first place
[23:50] <Bashing-om> Bilbo: If the package manager is in a consistenet state .. and you have space on the device, then ' sudo apt autoremove ' will also remove old kernels .
[23:50] <rigel20> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[23:50] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: there is too much information on that page to relay here... plus there are parts of it that help identify the correct approach.
[23:51] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: If you google for "ubuntu remove unused kernels site:ubuntu.com" it will be the first result
[23:52] <Bilbo> pragmaticenigma: All new tabs for my browser auto crash, I can not google a single thing, I can not load a single new webpage
[23:53] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: The chance of a typo is too great a risk at bricking your machine
[23:53] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: I've given you two options to view the information. The commands on the page are easy enough to read. I suggest using another computer or a mobile phone to read it.
[23:53] <Bilbo> pragmaticenigma: I did not understand even the smallest bit what that typo comment means
[23:54] <Bilbo> You can suggest all you want about using stuff I don't have, but I still won't have it
[23:54] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: The answer is... you need to find a way to view that information. There are suggestions based on your system configuration, you need to read the entire document before you even proceed
[23:55] <Bilbo> pragmaticenigma: I am sure there are simple instructions for using package manager to remove kernels. Would you please tell me said instructions
[23:55] <Bilbo> What do I search to find the kernels?
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: they are not simple, the entire document has instructions based on your system setup and configuration.
[23:56] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: if the command that Bashing-om suggested doesn't work, the alternate method requires much more complex commands