[00:00] <Bilbo> pragmaticenigma: How do I find the kernels in package manager?
[00:00] <Bilbo> what do I use for a search?
[00:00] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: Did the command that Bashing-om work or not?
[00:00] <Bilbo> I already told you I can view no new webpages
[00:01] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: There wasn't a web link... you're clearly not engaged in this enough to receive help. I'm done
[00:01] <Toadisattva> I id a debootstrap install of ubuntu from debian and things have gone okay so far but I'm getting a very curious message "warning: root device /dev/disk/by-partlabel/Root does not exist. I searched the error but didn't find much that relevant to ubuntu/my situation
[00:02] <Toadisattva> do I just need to create that folder or is there a bigger issue I should be addressing here?
[00:02] <pragmaticenigma> Toadisattva: This channel can only support offical Ubuntu installs using the install media provided by the Ubuntu website. You will have to find another source for assistance, possibly #linux
[00:03] <Bilbo> pragmaticenigma: I have read every single word you wrote to me a second time, I still don't see any instructions other than view X website or google y.
[00:03] <Toadisattva> okay thanks
[00:04] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: You didn't read carefully enough. Bashing-om sent you a command to try. You aren't paying close enough attention. This is a delicate matter and I'm not going to be responsbile for you bricking your computer. I'm done trying to help.
[00:05] <Bilbo> pragmaticenigma: oops, missed bashings send
[00:06] <Bilbo> Bashing-om: what is "consistenet"? consistent? What is "Consistent state"? Also I already said I have no space on root partition, will that be a problem for this command?
[00:08] <xamithanx> If you got no space on root its likely apt won't even run
[00:09] <Bashing-om> Bilbo: consusyent in that the package manager is not brike 0 no space may be an issye .. try the connabd and see if the package manager tells you " no space on device" .
[00:14] <Ryuzaki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[00:18] <Bashing-om> Bilbo: correct my typing " consusyent in that the package manager is not brike 0 no space may be an issye .. try the
[00:19] <Bashing-om> Bilbo: consistent in that the package manager is not broke - no space may be an issue .. try the connabd and see if the package manager tells you " no space on device" .
[00:19] <Bashing-om> command and see if the package manager tells you " no space on device".
[00:31] <L0j1k24> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[00:32] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, are you in?
[00:33] <r3m21> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[00:34] <pragmaticenigma> I believe tomreyn is sleeping at this hour... BlackDalek
[00:35] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, what is tomreyn's timezone?
[00:35] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: I have no idea, they are generally not around at this time of day. I made an assumption they are sleeping
[00:35] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, I see
[00:39] <BlackDalek> how do I view ownership of files and folders from command line?
[00:40] <will_wang> ls -l
[00:40] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: "ls -lo"
[00:43] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, I was trying the -l or -lo switch but wasn't getting any results I think because the logged in user doesn't have permission. But I worked it out now, I needed to add the -a switch to see the files
[00:45] <swarfega16> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[00:45] <BlackDalek> or rather.. all the files in the directory are hidden
[00:45] <will_wang> if nothing happens, there's no error
[00:46] <will_wang> in this case, if no results returned, there's no files to show at all
[00:46] <BlackDalek> yep
[00:48] <BlackDalek> in this case, the files I wanted to see were .hidden files - the user error was not doing "ls -lo -a" ;)
[00:49] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: A handy tip... the single letter arguments can be issued together... i.e. "ls -l -o -a" is the same as "ls -loa"
[00:49] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, that's a handy tip. I always forget
[00:51] <jeffree> Does anyone know of a screenshot app that can open a dialogue to input metadata like a description after the screenshot is taken?
[00:52] <jennie> pragmaticenigma: cheese does not detect my micrscope at all
[00:52] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: that would mean that the microscope is unlikely to be support in Linux.
[00:52] <jennie> ok :(
[00:53] <jennie> what does it take to make driver for it?
[00:54] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: From the documentation on the page, it appeared to make heavy use of MS Windows features to operate. You may find help searching the web for the model number of the microscope and using the keyword linux or Ubuntu.
[00:55] <JGalt> tomreyn: thanks, old installer much better & easier, not the frustrating pita of the live server iso
[00:56] <JGalt> nacc: tnx 2u as well
[00:56] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: My initial searches show a lot of homebrew attempts but nothing successful
[00:57] <jennie> ok thanks for searching :)
[01:00] <yomommas> yo
[01:04] <Reincarnate5> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[01:08] <dan-0> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[01:11] <Bilbo> Bashing-om: How do I "try the connabd"? Will lack of space also bust uninstall? Can I uninstall with zero space on root partition?
[01:15] <Bashing-om> Bilbo: That was me not paying attention to what I was typing. do in terminal ' sudo apt autoremove ' and if pronolems paste the output in a pastebin site.
[01:16] <Bashing-om> problems*
[01:21] <Helenah> Hi
[01:29] <rabbitnightmare> I have a question related to an open source security camera, there are a bunch of apps that support this camera, hootoo ht-ip206, the cd comes with iSpy for Windows but the  iSpy but shinobi cctv lists the camera fine
[01:29] <rabbitnightmare> how do I connect the camera to my wifi
[01:29] <rabbitnightmare> so I can add it to the software
[01:29] <rabbitnightmare> even iSpy in wine works fine but no matter what I use, it assumes its connected to my wifi
[01:32] <tomreyn> rabbitnightmare: how is this camera open source?
[01:33] <Helenah> What's the best approach to creating an Ubuntu 18.04 based distro?
[01:39] <tomreyn> Helenah: maybe this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[01:39] <Thorne2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[01:40] <rabbitnightmare> tomreyn: its hootoo they make all their hardware open source
[01:41] <rabbitnightmare> Helenah: pinguy builder
[01:42] <rabbitnightmare> I like pinguy builder because it works for more than just Ubuntu, its actually distro inspecific
[01:42] <rabbitnightmare> https://fosspost.org/tutorials/create-linux-distribution-based-on-ubuntu
[01:43] <tomreyn> rabbitnightmare: i can't seem to find any source code, just https://pierrekim.github.io/blog/2017-03-08-camera-goahead-0day.html - which i guess is not what you mean by 'open source'
[01:43] <Delvien> open source HW != linux support
[01:44] <tomreyn> oh open hardware schematics, ok.
[01:44] <rabbitnightmare> tomreyn: no hootoo are a company that use hardware components that support open source, you can use it with anything, bsd included, hurd if you were suicidal
[01:44] <logikos> So I have a QNAP nas that had 4 bays which I did a raid-10 on, but after many years there is now an issue with bay4 ... it is the nas, the drives are fine.  I've attached all 4 drives to my linux box .. how do I setup the raid here so that I can access the data please?
[01:44] <rabbitnightmare> I buy hardware that supports open standards etc
[01:45] <Delvien> rabbitnightmare: if that were true, you would see some drivers or a guide on how to get it to work with linux, i see nothing.
[01:45] <rabbitnightmare> Delvien: it just works with any cctv camera software
[01:45] <rabbitnightmare> it even works with cheese
[01:45] <tomreyn> that's a different matter
[01:45] <tomreyn> rabbitnightmare: do you run ubuntu on it?
[01:46] <Delvien> logikos: typically thats set up via your mobo or intel raid, or a raid controller
[01:46] <rabbitnightmare> tomreyn: its a security camera
[01:46] <tomreyn> rabbitnightmare: so?
[01:46] <Delvien> logikos: Check your mobo to see if it supports raid, is my first suggestion
[01:46] <rabbitnightmare> it doesnt run an OS
[01:46] <Delvien> rabbitnightmare: I mean, you are in an OS support channel :P
[01:47] <rabbitnightmare> right I was assuming that there might be some other people smart in here who run Ubuntu who happen to own businesses of their own who choose to use open standard hardware to support themselves
[01:48] <rabbitnightmare> sorry I guess I overestimated the intillect level of the Ubuntu community
[01:48] <Delvien> rabbitnightmare: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/awesome-diy-security-camera-clients-linux/ I know nothing of cctv
[01:48] <logikos> Delvien: I think my motherboard does support it but figured doing it in linux would be easier ... also I'm concerned ... will it auto-magicly realize that there was a raid already connecting the 4 drives ... as I do not want to lose the data ...
[01:48] <Delvien> Come in here, and insult the intelligence of everyone here because we dont know about your chinese made backdoor camera? Sounds legit rabbitnight :)
[01:49] <tomreyn> Delvien: they're gone
[01:49] <Delvien> tomreyn: Nothing of value was lost this day
[01:50] <Delvien> logikos: rebuilding an array can lose data. You may want to google how to avoid that.
[01:50] <Delvien> logikos: you could also reach out to qnap for support
[01:51] <logikos> Delvien: I tried reaching out to QNAP ... my device is out of warranty ... so... they are not helping
[01:51] <Helenah> So with pinguy builder, can it be used to create an installation disk?
[01:52] <logikos> as only bay 4 is bad my goal was to put 2 drives in bays 1 and 2 and create a raid 1 ... mount the old raid in my PC .. and transfer the data back to the NAS but on 2 drives rather than 4
[01:52] <logikos> but to do that I need to somehow mount the raid built with the qnap nas in my linux box
[01:52] <Delvien> logikos: what qnap device did you have?
[01:52] <logikos> I don't care if it is even read only
[01:53] <logikos> TS-431
[01:54] <pragmaticenigma> Helenah: Unfortunately we cannot support pinguy builder... you will need to reach out to their community for assistance
[01:56] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: Many NAS devices use a custom software setup to control their RAIDs, many will not easily transfer to another system or computer. I would suggest collecting all the data you can off the drive while they're in the NAS. Then build a new NAS system with the drives
[01:56] <Delvien> logikos: So with only one bay dead... you should still be able to see your data with a raid 10
[01:56] <Delvien> enough to at least transfer it off
[01:58] <Delvien> logikos: pretty much what pragmaticen said :)
[01:58] <logikos> Delvien: yes, It will let me get to the data, but the dilemma is where to transfer it to... I have 2 extra drives that are large enough to contain the data, however if I transfer it to those drives from the NAS then I will not be transfering the data back into another raid ... I would have to transfer twice, from Raid to drive in pc, then from pc back into a raid 1
[01:59] <Delvien> logikos: how much data are we talking about?
[01:59] <logikos> If I could mount the raid 10 in my pc then I would be able to build the raid 1 in the NAS and transfer it from one raid to another ... once
[01:59] <logikos> 1.5TB
[01:59] <logikos> i have 6x 2TB drives ... the 4 that made up the original raid and 2 extra
[01:59] <logikos> so i have plenty of space
[02:00] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: you're missing my point. the ability of being able to reuse those drives in a new RAID setup without data loss is not possible
[02:01] <Delvien> logikos: Its not elequent but its the price you pay for a NAS device like that.
[02:01] <Delvien> eloquent*
[02:01] <logikos> pragmaticenigma: what good is a NAS with raid 10 if I can not pull data off the drives if the NAS fails
[02:02] <logikos> this is not logical ...
[02:02] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: we're talking about a temporary movement of data, and with 2, 2TB drives, you have enough space to back up your data
[02:02] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: You said that you were using RAID 10... which means you only need 3 functional drives to recover the data
[02:02] <Delvien> logikos: its rare that a bay dies  in my experience, they dont sell you on that, they sell you on DRIVES dying.
[02:03] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: that is assuming that the makers of that NAS and the method you used to set it up, are using standard practices
[02:03] <defame> hi
[02:07] <Bilbo> I was told sudo apt autoremove can be used to remove all my old kernels, but it did not remove any kernels
[02:07] <Bilbo> Bashing-om:
[02:08] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: Then your machine is beyond help. your remaining option is to back up your data to another drive, wipe the system and start over
[02:09] <Bilbo> That seems like a drastic conclusion
[02:09] <Delvien> it does lol
[02:09] <Helenah> heh
[02:09] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: You can't follow simple commands here, and you expect us to hold your hand through what is a delicate operation
[02:10] <Delvien> Bilbo: https://gist.github.com/ipbastola/2760cfc28be62a5ee10036851c654600 ive followed this myself with success.
[02:10] <Bilbo> how do I give sudo control to update manager so I can use it to remove kernels?
[02:10] <logikos> Delvien: there are several long forums about people having the same issue with the QNAP nas ... seems a power issue which over time affects the back board the drives mount into so .. for QNAP this is not rare at all
[02:10] <Delvien> Bilbo: sudo is just "super user do" when you run "sudo THECOMMANDYOUWANT" you are running "THECOMMANDYOUWANT" with super user
[02:11] <logikos> pragmaticenigma: with a raid 10 I would only need 2 of the 4 drives to get the data ... as long as it is the correct 2
[02:11] <Bilbo> well thanks to autoremove it removed a earlier version of a game so I got a tiny bit of space for using the web but there is also the issue of your link requiring registration to view the page Delvien
[02:11] <Delvien> Bilbo: its github, register then?
[02:11] <Bilbo> Delvien: Yes, but I don't know what command you use to get update manager
[02:11] <Bilbo> meh, got a registration free page?
[02:12] <Delvien> Bilbo: when you say update manager, do you mean apt?
[02:12] <logikos> pragmaticenigma: Delvien so you both agree, to get the data I need to put the drives back in the NAS and transfer it to my pc, then create a new raid in the NAS and transfer it back again...
[02:12] <Bilbo> im not sure
[02:12] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: not exactly
[02:12] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: at least not the part about putting the data back in that NAS
[02:12] <Delvien> Bilbo registration free page? Register with fake data if you have a tinfoil hat on
[02:12] <Delvien> logikos: first part of getting the data off yes, but I wouldnt use that nas again.
[02:13] <pragmaticenigma> Delvien: the page doesn't require any registration. Bilbo is trolling us and can't figure out how to scroll down a page
[02:13] <logikos> my wife is upset because the nas contains many educational videos we play for the kids on the tv ... and right now she can't play them .. so i'm trying to get that back up
[02:13] <logikos> obviously I should buy a new nas and put the data on that
[02:13] <logikos> but for now ... so that she can get the videos...
[02:13] <logikos> it has a built in DLNA server
[02:13] <Bilbo> it still requires email verification and stuff... not paranoia, more irritation.
[02:13] <logikos> which our tv can see
[02:13] <Bilbo> pragmaticenigma: Sign in to GitHub to continue to Gist, no scroll down option
[02:14] <logikos> i actually considered hosting a DLNA server from my computer if i could get the raid up here
[02:14] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: then I would focus on backing up the stuff on those drives for now... then at least you have a backup should the whole thing fail. I wouldn't add anymore new stuff to those drives
[02:14] <Delvien> ^
[02:14] <Delvien> I concur
[02:14] <logikos> pragmaticenigma: i understand, it just seems odd to have to 'backup' data from a raid 10...
[02:14] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: I litterally went to the site from the link Delvien provided and while there is signup button at the top of the screen. nothing prevented me from viewing the page
[02:15] <logikos> as all 4 drives are still good ... it should be backed up lol
[02:15] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: My rule of thumb... 1 back up is none, 2 back ups is 1
[02:15] <logikos> but if only the QNAP can reliably host the drives ... that is my problem
[02:15] <Delvien> logikos: Yes, but without that NAS fully functional, putting those drives in another system and retaining the array, is not likely
[02:16] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: to go with that 3-2-1 backups... 3 backups, 2 different types of media or storage containers, and 1 offsite
[02:16] <Bilbo> pragmaticenigma: Well I got something different, but then I tried again to confirm before grumbling that, and it works without registration now
[02:16] <defame> hi
[02:16] <defame> i have a problem
[02:17] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | defame
[02:17] <Delvien> I use a NAS, an external high capacity drive, and cloud. Never keep on 1 device things you dont want to lose. :)
[02:17] <logikos> pragmaticenigma: I get your point ... but the NAS if full of mostly multimedia ... can can be re-ripped from original dvd's or downloaded .. it isn't that sensitive ...
[02:17] <logikos> not that I want to go though the work of doing that again lol
[02:18] <defame> Delvien, why
[02:18] <Bilbo> Delvien: It seems this is designed to work after you remove the old versions not before... So it can't actually be used to remove the old versions, according to this. So I still don't know how to remove these old kernels. Well at least with my browser working again I'll scroll up and view a few webpages linked earlier, latter
[02:18] <Delvien> bilbo im not sure what you mean, but it states what to do
[02:19] <pragmaticenigma> defame: do you have a Ubuntu support question? Please ask it... this is not a chat room... if you would like to chat, please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:19] <Delvien> run the first command to get the list of kernels installed, remove the old kernels one at a time
[02:19] <Bilbo> I got to go, i'll leave this chat open for a bit if anyone can help me with removing my excess kernels please post here with my name and ill try it latter
[02:19] <Delvien> Bilbo: I gave you all the information you need to get it done, everything is on the web page.
[02:19] <logikos> pragmaticenigma: Delvien so .. if I look into replacing the NAS .. is there some other solution that would work better .. so that if this happens again in the future it wont be as big of a deal... suppose I had 8TB of data .. that would REALLY suck to transfer
[02:19] <logikos> and I would have to purchase new drives just to do it...
[02:19] <Bilbo> Delvien: ah yeah, my mistake, I misread it. hmm ok
[02:20] <logikos> or suppose the qnap device failed ... then the drives are ... worthless .. even though it is raid 10
[02:20] <pragmaticenigma> Delvien: as I said... they're trolling
[02:20] <logikos> I thought (incorrectly obviously) that I could mount any one of the drives from a raid 10 and get the data off of it
[02:20] <Bilbo> still seems like it would be time consuming, I got alot of old kernels
[02:20] <logikos> using madam or something
[02:20] <Delvien> raid 10 only protects you against drives failing, not the system taht runs the raid 10 :P
[02:20] <Bilbo> I wish there was a quicker way to remove them all
[02:21] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: proper maintenance would prevent this
[02:21] <Delvien> Bilbo: ^
[02:21] <Bilbo> pragmaticenigma: By "proper maintenance" you mean?
[02:22] <Bilbo> Let me rephrase that since I phrased it so poorly. What do you mean by "proper maintenance"?
[02:22] <Delvien> pragmaticen I like to give the benefit of the doubt, sometimes im pleasantly surprised.
[02:22] <Bilbo> What does "proper maintenance" consist of?
[02:23] <Delvien> Bilbo: If after several kernel installs you went back and cleared ones you would never use again, instead of years down the road worrying about it
[02:23] <Delvien> Rule of thumb for me, keep the newly installed kernel, and the last working kernel, all others are not necessary
[02:23] <Bilbo> Delvien: Well its not years of kernels. And whether I do it one at a time then or latter, still the same amount of time
[02:23] <Bilbo> Actually slightly quicker to do it at one time
[02:24] <Bilbo> And I still wish there was a faster way
[02:24] <Bilbo> Like that I could mass select the kernels with a cursor drag and delete them, or something
[02:25] <Delvien> Bilbo: somehow I highly doubt that you have enough kernels to effect your disk space that much, if not years of upgraded kernels. unless you were doing something odd, or simply did not make the partitions big enough to scale
[02:25] <Bilbo> or that I could program it to delete old kernels automatically
[02:26] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: Proper maintaince is learning how the operating system works and what you have to do to maintain it. Like in this case, the application apt and apt-get both give out information that there are unused applications on the computer. it also gives instructions on how to remove the unused applications.
[02:27] <Delvien> bilbo so the funny story in all this, is there is a kernel tool to do that. Ukuu. Google it, but this is not canonical-made and this channel nor I will offer support on this
[02:27] <pragmaticenigma> Bilbo: proper maintenance in this case would be to run "sudo apt-get autoremove --purge" once a month. Which would remove old kernels as well as other orphaned software that is no longer needed by the system.
[02:28] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: It is possible to recover the raw data, but data striping from raid 0 means you won't be able to recover complete files
[02:29] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: also it assumes the software managing the raid 10 was adhering to the standards. many don't.
[02:29] <Delvien> Like readynas and their raid-x (lol why though)
[02:33] <logikos> ... *sigh* So the best I can do to make my wife happy is to put the drives back in the NAS (at least bays 1-3) .. put a 2TB hdd in my computer and copy everything off the nas onto it... then host my own DLNA server from the computer while I purchase a new NAS
[02:33] <Bashing-om> Bilbo: One can "automagically" remove old kernels - once the sytem is stable. see the file " /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades " .
[02:33] <logikos> or instead of buying a new nas I setup some sync to some cloud hosting service large enough to host the data
[02:33] <logikos> that way I do not have to worry about hardware failures
[02:34] <gdibass> Anyone had any issues with Firefox not playing audio from *some* video sources?
[02:34] <gdibass> not like... all videos from a source, but just some videos
[02:34] <gdibass> from youtube/various sources
[02:34] <Delvien> logikos: I use a duplicati docker for that.
[02:35] <logikos> gdbass yeah, I can not remember what it is called but you have to config firefox for those special videos ... some legal junk
[02:35] <gdibass> logikos,  the DMCA setting?
[02:36] <Delvien> what video sources?
[02:36] <gdibass> I've seen it with Youtube, reddit videos and vimeo so far
[02:36] <gdibass> not all videos just some
[02:36] <gdibass> I figured it was a codec thing
[02:36] <logikos> gdibass: that sounds right
[02:36] <Delvien> disable hardware acceleration in firefox, close browser, see if that fixes
[02:37] <logikos> Delvien: hmm, i love docker .. i'll look into that
[02:37] <Delvien> logikos: you may look into building your own nas, honestly, it might be cheaper
[02:37] <logikos> not sure what it uses for the cloud storage ... I suppose it is configurable
[02:37] <Delvien> freenas has docker support
[02:37] <Delvien> unraid too, but unraid costs $$
[02:38] <Delvien> logikos: duplicati can send to all kinds of cloud storage, onedrive, gdrive, amazon, etc etc
[02:38] <gdibass> Nope, hardware accel didn't do it
[02:38] <Delvien> gdibass: you closed all firefox instances?
[02:38] <logikos> I have enough sata ports on my main computer to host it .. but my own computer gets rebooted and used for many other things, figured a separate device would be better
[02:38] <gdibass> Yeah
[02:38] <Delvien> are you using HDMI sound?
[02:38] <Delvien> or analog
[02:38] <pragmaticenigma> gdibass: Is this a recent install of Ubuntu... or one that you have had going for awhile?
[02:38] <logikos> plus QNAP had a nice http gui and built in DLNA etc
[02:38] <gdibass> Neither, firewire
[02:38] <logikos> so i was being lazy
[02:38] <logikos> lol
[02:38] <gdibass> pragmaticenigma, yes, within the last few weeks
[02:38] <Delvien> firewire? whoa what year is it
[02:39] <gdibass> Installed it about 2 weeks ago
[02:39] <gdibass> Delvien, hah, it's a musician's audio interface
[02:39] <Delvien> gdibass: my question remains! :P
[02:39] <gdibass> They're actually pretty standard
[02:39] <gdibass> https://us.focusrite.com/firewire-audio-interfaces/saffire-pro-14
[02:39] <pragmaticenigma> gdibass: it's possible that the source material is attempting some DMCA stuff to prevent sampling the audio via the firewire channel.
[02:39] <gdibass> Need it for the outputs to big monitors
[02:39] <pragmaticenigma> DRM not DMCA
[02:40] <gdibass> most interfaces are just 1/4" out
[02:40] <gdibass> DRM that's it
[02:40] <gdibass> Huh yeah maybe
[02:40] <gdibass> let me try out of HDMI
[02:40] <logikos> for me all videos play in firefox, but not opera (yes I use opera)
[02:40] <logikos> so *shrugs*
[02:40] <logikos> my issue is not a DRM issue though
[02:41] <gdibass> Shit
[02:41] <gdibass> Yeah it plays out of HDMI
[02:41] <gdibass> Weird
[02:41] <pragmaticenigma> gdibass: Please be mindfull of language
[02:41] <logikos> I do not care enough to figure out how to get it to work in opera .. i just play them in firefox or chrome lol
[02:41] <Delvien> gdibass: close firefox (ctrl Q) open terminal, run firefox via terminal, open video, see if error spits out
[02:41] <gdibass> Ahh sorry
[02:41] <gdibass> I've got a foul mouth :/
[02:42] <gdibass> I get a message, but I get it with both HDMI and firewire
[02:43] <Delvien> pastebin it, unless its one line then paste it here
[02:43] <gdibass> ###!!! [Parent][DispatchAsyncMessage] Error: PClientSourceOp::Msg___delete__ Route error: message sent to unknown actor ID
[02:43] <Delvien> and when u got that error did audio play?
[02:43] <gdibass> and I get that on every video
[02:43] <gdibass> No, I get that even when it plays
[02:43] <gdibass> so, not likely to be related
[02:44] <Delvien> and youre using pulseaudio right?
[02:44] <gdibass> No I'm not
[02:44] <Delvien> IIRC, FF only works with pulse
[02:45] <Delvien> this seems like a FF problem, not an ubuntu problem.
[02:45] <gdibass> Strange... it works fine with most videos
[02:45] <gdibass> Yeah I agree
[02:45] <gdibass> because they work in Chrome
[02:45] <Helenah> gdibass: Don't we all, meaning with the foul mouth.
[02:45] <gdibass> Heh, not the first time I've been chastised for cursing in here :P
[02:46] <Delvien> gdibass: by that sentiment, my bike CAN ride on the highway, but it will never go as fast as a car :P
[02:46] <Helenah> Me neither, it's easy to forget which environment you're in.
[02:46] <gdibass> Delvien, Biking used to be allowed on the highway about a mile down the road from me :P
[02:46] <gdibass> they just finished a bike path though so not any more
[02:46] <gdibass> Let me try with pulse
[02:46] <Delvien> :)
[02:47] <Delvien> gdibass: just so youre aware, that error message, has many bug reports and threads, give it the good ol'googlin
[02:47] <Guest79227> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[02:47] <gdibass> Yeah I figured it wasn't related...
[02:47] <gdibass> Wow, so this is interesting
[02:48] <gdibass> It sees an audio stream from firefox, but the volume level is through the floor
[02:48] <gdibass> This has to be a codec/sampling rate thing
[02:48] <Delvien> so its negative? lol
[02:48] <gdibass> lol not literally, it's just really low
[02:49] <Delvien> pavucontrol, it may prove useful
[02:49] <gdibass> Yeah that's what I'm looking at
[02:50] <pragmaticenigma> if not pulse what have you been using gdibass ?
[02:50] <Delvien> alsa my guess
[02:50] <gdibass> Whatever the default sound controller is
[02:50] <pragmaticenigma> gdibass: that would imply pulse
[02:50] <Delvien> well pulse has been default for years
[02:51] <gdibass> Didn't realize that was the default
[02:51] <Delvien> i remember the transition, it was heckin good time
[02:51] <gdibass> I didn't have the Pulsecontrol set up so
[02:51] <gdibass> I think I know what's going on
[02:51] <gdibass> It's treating my saffire as a surround sound interface
[02:51] <gdibass> left center/right center aren't playing anything
[02:52] <pragmaticenigma> gdibass: it rides on topic of ALSA which is only capable of handling one sound source at a time. Pulse enables duplexing of multiple streams into a single stream that gets fed to ALSA
[02:52]  * pragmaticenigma using the wrong words to describe things I know much about
[02:56] <Jgalt> just got ubuntu 18.04 server installed on my laptop.  how can i get the intel wifi driver and associated firmware working such that im not tied to ethernet?
[02:56] <Jgalt> believe its iwlwifi
[02:57] <pragmaticenigma> Jgalt: most of the intel chipsets are supported by default without additional software
[02:58] <Antimateria> wow is this a functional chat or only a fake group of automatically words?
[02:58] <gdibass> Hello my fellow Automatically Words
[02:58] <Antimateria> omg
[02:59] <Goop> What is the *most* optimal way to get a graphical interface over the network of a Ubuntu Desktop, on a Ubuntu Server, all using LTS 16.04?
[02:59] <Delvien> I want to be in a group, real or fake, of automatically words.
[02:59] <Jgalt> pragmaticenigma: ok the card is there but not configured.  how can it be configured on boot?
[03:00] <Jgalt> ...most often via dhcp
[03:00] <Delvien> Goop:  you mean remote access, or something like ssh -x ?
[03:00] <Goop> Yes
[03:00] <Goop> remote access, like VNC or RDP.
[03:01] <pragmaticenigma> Jgalt: read up on netplan, which is what Ubuntu Server uses to manage the network connections
[03:01] <Delvien> RDP is not plausible on ubuntu (in my experience freerdp stinks) VNC would be your best bet, tigervpn or tightvnc, plent of guides online
[03:02] <Delvien> theres also teamviewer if u want to go the non-free option
[03:02] <Delvien> or even less free, chrome remote desktop
[03:02] <Goop> Delvien, The problem is, I can't seem to ever get a good client that hooks up to a good server software, allows me to resize monitors when I resize the client window, and that actually shows the default Ubuntu Desktop 16.04 environment.
[03:02] <Goop> I keep seeing stuff like XFCE, but I don't like the desktop environment, I want it to look like the actual Ubuntu Desktop.
[03:03] <Delvien> Goop: Welcome to the world of remote access (GUI) with linux.
[03:03] <Delvien> freenx might be a good option for you
[03:03] <Delvien> nomachine runs it iirc
[03:03] <pragmaticenigma> Jgalt: I wish I had more information, but I'm more familiar with the graphical side of Ubuntu. #ubuntu-server is a great channel for the terminal side of setup
[03:03] <Delvien> but if its "free" you may want to research
[03:04] <Delvien> ah i didnt see the server part
[03:04]  * Delvien reading is hard
[03:04] <gdibass> I think I'm just going to use Chrome lol
[03:04] <gdibass> Delvien, it's not that hard as long as you are an Automatically Words
[03:05] <Delvien> gdibass: honestly, FF has been complete garbo for me.
[03:05] <Delvien> haha.
[03:05] <gdibass> Yeaaaah I've gone back and forth
[03:05] <gdibass> I like it better on OSX, but just barely
[03:05] <gdibass> on Ubuntu it doesn't seem to be up to snuff
[03:05] <tomreyn> Goop: have a look at x2go, its the better of the free NX variants
[03:05] <Delvien> chrome has better extensions at this point.. Also i can open up word docs right into my office 365 word online
[03:05] <Goop> Other problem I am always running into is trying to that there never seems to be a monitor or desktop environment server to connect to when running these VNC things.
[03:05] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: Dynamic resizing of the desktop is a feature native to RDP and Microsoft. I haven't seen anything in the Linux world support that out of the box. Most of the VNC clients are viewers, they send only keyboard and mouse commands, not environment dimensions
[03:06] <Jgalt> pragmaticenigma: any idea what's up?  ubuntu server seems to disallow thost that join from speaking
[03:06] <pragmaticenigma> Jgalt: due to recent spam attacks, many of the rooms require you to register your handle/nickk/screenname
[03:06] <pragmaticenigma> !nick | Jgalt
[03:07] <Delvien> pragmaticenigma: Goop unless you are running virtualbox Vms, with guest additions.. (which virtualbox does have an RDP server built in) but I think you are looking for your server  with a GUI, not vms?
[03:07] <pragmaticenigma> !register | Jgalt
[03:07] <Goop> Delvien, it sounds weird, but I want to use a server as a remote desktop, where I can click around and Google things like a normal computer.
[03:07] <Delvien> Goop are you running headless?
[03:08] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: I have x11vnc setup on my machine to auto run after I have logged in locally. which allows me to "share" my desktop remotely. The XFCE you mentioned is when configuring to use xrfb methods, which benefit from lightweight desktop environments
[03:08] <Jgalt> I'm registered with freenode... forgot password to auth though
[03:09] <pragmaticenigma> Jgalt: that should be all it takes to get you going then :-)
[03:09] <Jgalt> should auth with services take care of +v in ubuntu-server?
[03:09] <Goop> pragmaticenigma, I don't think I care about lightweight environment, I want the nice, full Ubuntu desktop experience.
[03:10] <Delvien> Goop: At that point why bother running ubuntu-server then?
[03:10] <Goop> pragmaticenigma, the issue with using x11vnc is that it can't seem to find the server/monitor, even though I installed the ubuntu-desktop packages.
[03:10] <Delvien> just run ubuntu desktop and install the server portions you need
[03:10] <Goop> Delvien, because it is the image I was given by Google.
[03:10] <Delvien> Goop: Are you running headless?
[03:10] <Goop> Delvien, yes, I am running headless, it is a Google Cloud instance.
[03:14] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: x11vnc needs to have the desktop already loaded to work best... it needs "the magic cookie" to hook into the display manager to display the desktop. If you execute it after establishing a session, it will find it automatically
[03:14] <Delvien> Goop: like pragmaticen said, x2go might be a good option.
[03:14] <Delvien> or that
[03:15] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: this is what I launch after successfully logging in: x11vnc -display :0 -forever -loop -noxdamage -repeat -skip_lockkeys -noxrecord -rfbport 5900 -shared
[03:15] <pragmaticenigma> note that I do not have it password protected
[03:15] <Goop> Okay, I got this going. I'm using x11vnc, and I think I played around with the .xstartup file, and so now I got into a VNC client and it isn't showing the left-menu, top bar, but I see the desktop background and can right-click it.
[03:15] <Goop> The cursor is an X instead of a pointer.
[03:15] <Delvien> pragmaticen the humanity.
[03:16] <pragmaticenigma> Delvien: I'm the only occupant of the local network, and the port is not exposed to the internet
[03:16] <pragmaticenigma> at least I hope it's not
[03:17] <jmadero> suggestion for dvd authoring software for 18.04?
[03:17] <Delvien> Goop: https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/pull/292 a little googling goes a long way
[03:18] <pragmaticenigma> jmadero: This channel isn't the best choice for asking for software recommendations. You should try the #ubuntu-offtopic for recommendations
[03:19] <Goop> Delvien, not really concerned about the X right now.
[03:20] <Goop> What is the left-menu called? It's functionally equivelant to Windows Task Bar
[03:20] <Delvien> pragmaticen try telnetting to the port to see if its open :P
[03:20] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: commonly referred to as the taskbar in Ubuntu as well... also known as the dash
[03:20] <pragmaticenigma> it's not open on the gateway firewall
[03:21] <Delvien> thats fair
[03:21] <Delvien> I am paranoid about anything without a password at the minimum, even if local-only :)
[03:21] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: I believe .xstartup gets processed to early and the hooks x11vnc needs aren't avaialble fully... which is giving you an incomplete desktop
[03:22] <Delvien> long long ago i had an exposed vnc with no password, bad things ensued, learned my lesson
[03:22] <pragmaticenigma> Delvien: It's easy enough to add in... I just rebuilt this machine after a HD crash... still fine tuning higher priorities
[03:22] <Goop> What is a good set of commands to run in a bash script to make sure everything on a Ubuntu desktop environment gets "loaded" (for lack of a better term)?
[03:23] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: what I did is added that x11vnc line I posted earlier to a bash script. and then set the bash script to run in Gnome/KDE's autostart configuration tool
[03:24] <Delvien> pragmaticen fair enough :)
[03:25] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: this help page also discusses and suggests how to configure x11vnc for various setups
[03:25] <pragmaticenigma> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers
[03:35] <dysfigured10> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[03:36] <Goop> I still am having issues, even reading the Ubuntu help page, with getting all of the desktop environment to load. I still don't see the taskbar, dash, or the top bar.
[03:46] <echosector0> exit
[04:01] <mobile_c> how do i get apt to list packages that can be piped to xargs
[04:01] <mobile_c> other than qtwebkit5-examples/bionic 5.9.1+dfsg-2 amd64
[04:07] <mobile_c> eg like aptitude search ^qt* -F %p but the apt equivilant
[04:10] <thalaiva> rosco_y u can do but i am not sure whether ur data is corrupted or not once check in youtube buddy
[04:13] <mobile_c> welp this works xP "sudo apt install $(aptitude search ^qt* -F %p | grep -v -e ^quake-engine$ -e ^quake-engine-server$ -e :i386$ -e qt4-default -e qemu-user-static)"
[04:16] <guest> glmark2 results for ubuntu is 1574 and lubuntu is 1440 ,it shows that ubuntu have better gfx performance than lubuntu?
[04:17] <Ben64> guest: no
[04:17] <guest> Ben64: then how ubuntu have more glmark2 result?
[04:22] <Ben64> benchmarks aren't accurate
[04:25] <guest> Ben64: i will see any performance improvement while playing 720p video in lubuntu over ubuntu? i have intel skylake hd 520 gfx
[04:25] <guest> ?
[04:26] <BlackDalek> If I use mv to move directory ~/xyz1 and its subdirectories to a new location ~/xyz2/ which has existing files located in identically names subdirectories, then what happens? Do the identical directories get replaced by the contents of the source or do the source files just merge with what already exists?
[04:49] <hankpete> anybody online?
[04:49] <hankpete> asl?
[04:49] <hankpete> jk
[04:49] <patr0clus> Only Zool
[04:50] <hankpete> patr0clus, there is no Zool
[04:50] <patr0clus> that is Zool Automated Demon Answering Service....
[04:50] <patr0clus> "Hello, may I help you"?
[04:50] <hankpete> wait, are you zool?
[04:50] <patr0clus> Im Zool's wife...he's in the shower...
[04:50] <patr0clus> Can I help you?
[04:50] <hankpete> No, i'm just bored
[04:51] <hankpete> nice too meet you Ms. Zool
[04:51] <patr0clus> Thats why hes showering
[04:51] <patr0clus> Its not easy now with no one believing in demons and all.
[04:51] <patr0clus> Its not like the 1980s.
[04:51] <hankpete> oh man, life must be rough for you guys
[04:51] <hankpete> i feel
[04:51] <patr0clus> Hes trying to find work, but light assembly is such a waste of a supernatural demons talents.
[04:52] <patr0clus> you know?
[04:52] <hankpete> oh i bet.
[04:52] <patr0clus> Oh, shit...he fell in the shower again...brb.
[04:52] <hankpete> maybe he can find the lament configuration and get some real demon shit going
[04:53] <hankpete> ok bi
[04:57] <BlackDalek> I have a backup tarball archive of an ubuntu 16.04 system extracted to a folder "/old-home" on an Ubuntu 18.04.1 system. I want to restore the backed up home folder and contents from 16.04 to the new home folder on 18.04.1. Should I use rsync for this?
[05:07] <patr0clus> how can i change my dns settings? Resolf.conf not being able to be edited...
[05:07] <patr0clus> resolv.cong*
[05:07] <patr0clus> conf. (damn hotdog fingers)
[05:13] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: you can just change ownership of the restored files and then move it in place
[05:14] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, so... "chown -R ilyekkakai /path_to_backup" ?
[05:14] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: have you already created a system user which has the same name as the the one which used to own those restored files on the old system?
[05:15] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: so ilyekkakai was the previous user name and it is going to be the username again?
[05:15] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, yes.. the new system user has identical name
[05:15] <tomreyn> ok
[05:15] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, correct
[05:15] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, is this going to make things difficult?
[05:16] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: no, that's a good foundation. when you do "ls -l /old-home" does it say "ilyekkakai ilyekkakai" there for everything?
[05:16] <tomreyn> i.e. on the 3rd and 4th column
[05:18] <patr0clus> well, you probably get some good bacon.
[05:18] <patr0clus> theres quite a bit here at local farms.
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> patr0clus: can we help you?
[05:19] <patr0clus> whoops
[05:19] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, it says "drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Feb  3  2016 home"
[05:19] <patr0clus> that was not for this room.
[05:19] <patr0clus> just about the dns
[05:19] <patr0clus> how can i alter my dns permanently ?
[05:19] <patr0clus> that is, since resolv.conf is not able to be edited.
[05:19] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: okay, how about the new home?
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> patr0clus: https://itsfoss.com/resolvconf-permanent-ubuntu/
[05:21] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, the new home folder says "drwxr-xr-x 19 ilyekkakai ilyekkakai 4096 Aug 15 07:43 ilyekkakai"
[05:21] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: also, can you tell me the full paths of both the restored backup and the new home directory we want to put the files to?
[05:21] <patr0clus> thx
[05:22] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: here's a guess: restored backup: /old-home/home/ilyekkakai  new home directory: /home/ilyekkakai
[05:23] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, close but... new home /home/ilyekkakai old home /home/ilyekkakai/old-home/home/ilyekkakai
[05:24] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: is there something else in /home/ilyekkakai/old-home/home/ other than "ilyekkakai"?
[05:24] <BlackDalek> tomreyn probably was a bad idea putting the old home inside the new home
[05:24] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: that's not an issue
[05:25] <BlackDalek> there may be a couple of new files in the newly created home directory.
[05:25] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: okay, but please answer my question
[05:25] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: is there something else in /home/ilyekkakai/old-home/home/ other than "ilyekkakai"?
[05:26] <BlackDalek> sorry. I misread... no.. there is only the old-home backup
[05:26] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: can you run " ls /home/ilyekkakai/old-home/home/ " and tell me what is returned?
[05:27] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, it lists ilyekkakai
[05:28] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: ok, now the same elsewhere: "ls /home/"
[05:28] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, that returns same result
[05:29] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: run this: sudo chown -R ilyekkakai:ilyekkakai /home/ilyekkakai/old-home/home/ilyekkakai
[05:29] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: be very careful to type this correctly
[05:30] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, it completed
[05:31] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: okay so we changed all the files and directories in /home/ilyekkakai/old-home/home/ilyekkakai so they now belong to user "ilyekkakai" and group "ilyekkakai"
[05:32] <tomreyn> -R is for recursive, so all subdirectories and files in there.
[05:32] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, that's what it looked like
[05:32] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: are you currently logged in as user ilyekkakai?
[05:32] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, yes
[05:33] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: then now is the time to reboot into recovery. do you know how to do this?
[05:34] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I got to press something during boot up... which key is it?
[05:34] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: are you chatting fomr this same computer you're setting this up on or from a different one?
[05:34] <tomreyn> *from
[05:34] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I'm on a different computer
[05:35] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: okay, good. during boot, press shift or escape a couple times until you get to see the grub menu.
[05:35] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: then select Advanced, and the recovery option for the newest kernel.
[05:36] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: once you'r eon the recovery menu, select the option to enable networking, then the one on the bottom to enter a root shell
[05:36] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I see grub menu but no recovery menu
[05:37] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: do you see "Advanced options for..."
[05:37] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, ok.. I found it under advanced
[05:38] <tomreyn> good, did you enable networking and drop to the root shell prompt, yet?
[05:39] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I enabled networking... then it's displaying lines of  [ ok ] blah blah blah
[05:39] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: so it's not returning to the menu?
[05:40] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, no. It seems to be stuck
[05:40] <tomreyn> i got the same on my VM here, this would seem tobe a bug
[05:41] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, at top it says "/lib/recovery-mode/recovery-mneu: line 75 /ec..... . No such file"
[05:41] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: i have this, too. press ctrl-alt-c, then the system will boot up fully, and you can repeat it.
[05:41] <BlackDalek> then is halted at "[ok] Stqarted load/Save RF Kill switch status"
[05:41] <tomreyn> just dont select the network option this time, drop to a root shell directly
[05:42] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, ok.. restarting it
[05:43] <tomreyn> okay, tell me when you're at the root prompt
[05:44] <tomreyn> (press Enter for maintenance when offered)
[05:44] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, it's asking me to press Enter for maintenance or Ctrl-D
[05:44] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: see the line above of what you just typed
[05:45] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I pressed enter... nothing happened
[05:45] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I didn't hit the key hard enough evidently. It worked now
[05:45] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I am at a root prompt
[05:45] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: okay, now type: mount -o remount,rw /
[05:46] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: does it report an error, or nothing at all?
[05:46] <BlackDalek> toreyn it just accepted the command and returned no output
[05:47] <tomreyn> by default at this stage of the boot the / ("root") file system is mounted in read-only mode, so no changes can be made to files. we're now remounting it read-writable
[05:47] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: now type: sudo mount -o remount,rw /home
[05:48] <tomreyn> does it report an error, or nothing at all?
[05:48] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, again.. nothing
[05:48] <tomreyn> i dont know whether you created /home as a separate mount point, so whether a separate file system is mounted there. if there is a separate file system there, we should mount this in read-write mode, too
[05:49] <tomreyn> no error, so apparently you have a separate /home partition / file system (separate from / )
[05:50] <tomreyn> can you confirm this with 'df -h'? does it list a line about /home
[05:50] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I made no changes to the default mount points when the system was installed
[05:51] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: okay, i'm not sure how exactly you installed, though, so let's verify this quickly
 can you confirm this with 'df -h'? does it list a line about /home ?
[05:51] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I see nothing mentioning "home". It was installed using a DVD installer
[05:52] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I see /dev /run / /dev/shm /run/lock /sys/fs/cgroup but no /home
[05:53] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: can you tell me what the output of df -h is? list only lines which start with /dev
[05:54] <tomreyn> (i.e. where the Filesystem starts with "/dev")
[05:54] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, one line only: /dev/sda1 909G 410G 453G 48% /
[05:55] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: okay, now i'm puzzled why the "sudo mount -o remount,rw /home" command didnt return an error message. but i think we can ignore this
[05:55] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: now run this: mv /home/ilyekkakai/old-home/home/ilyekkakai /home/ilyekkakai-old
[05:55] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, ok
[05:57] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: then: mv /home/ilyekkakai /home/ilyekkakai-old/ilyekkakai-new
[05:57] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: then: mv /home/ilyekkakai-old /home/ilyekkakai
[05:59] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: we have then reversed the situation. the backup you restored into a subdirectory of the 'new' ilyekkakai home directory previiously is now the proper /home/ilyekkakai directory, so the settings stored there will be loaded on next GUI login.
[06:01] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: what you used to have in the new /home/ilyekkakai you created when you setup the new ubuntu and logged into the graphical desktop there is still available in a subdirectory, so at /home/ilyekkakai/ilyekkakai-new
[06:02] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, ok. I made all the moves. Hopefully what you say is correct ;)
[06:02] <milky18> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[06:02] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: i'm sure it is if you ran those commands precisely as typed. ;)
[06:02] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, shall I reboot it now?
[06:03] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: when you have run those three 'mv' commands, and none of them returned an error, then let's reboot once more and login into the 'old' and restored user account
[06:03] <tomreyn> just type " reboot "
[06:04] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, there were no errors and the PC is rebooting
[06:05] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: it is possible that the login to the old users' home directory will fail or will report some errors. if so, we'll need to start with a fresh user account instead (or the one you created after inatalling 18.04) and then cherry pick files to move back into place from the old user account.
[06:06] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, it logged in successfully. It hasn't shown any errors. Only the "What new in Ubuntu" window popped up
[06:08] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: good. so if you'll open a file browser you should see the "ilyekkakai-new" directory in there. unless you created anything important after installing ubuntu 18.04 i suggest you just delete this directory to not irritate the user.
[06:08] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: and i thik this concludes it for now, unless you have questions?
[06:09] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, it all looks to have transpired as you predicted
[06:10] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, do I need to do anything with the /etc backup?
[06:10] <benny28> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[06:11] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: this would help to find out whether there were other users setup on the system, and to recreate them if needed. but if everything seems to work fine, neither of the two tar.gz archives are needed anymore, and you can now setup a proper backup again.
[06:12] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, good. Thanks. You may sleep again now.
[06:12] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: ;-) thats kind of you. ttyl.
[06:29] <cl0wnaxe> hello
[06:29] <ELQEYNN> In the last few years, Linux users felt that antivirus is not really necessary. Do you people still feel thta way?
[06:29] <ELQEYNN> In the last few years, Linux users felt that antivirus is not really necessary. Do you people still feel that way?
[06:29] <cl0wnaxe> so cant get my linux mint to connect to my printer over my network
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> !mint | cl0wnaxe
[06:31] <ELQEYNN> Do you Ubuntu users feel that antivurus is really necessary?
[06:31] <ELQEYNN> Do you Ubuntu users feel that antivirus is really necessary?
[06:32] <Nokaji> ELQEYNN: you could add 'firewall' to your question
[06:32] <EriC^> !av | ELQEYNN
[06:33] <Nokaji> It may (or may not) be useful if you are sending emails/attachments to windows sufferers
[06:33] <ELQEYNN> All Linux distros come with firewall and the installation automatically installs it.
[06:34] <Nokaji> gufw isn't installed by default, iirc
[06:35] <ELQEYNN> gufw?
[06:35] <Nokaji> and there are apps/filters for firefox etc
[06:36] <Nokaji> gufw is a gui for the already installed f/w, iirc
[06:37] <ELQEYNN> For a long time, MacIntosh was also just a small portion of the computer market; and therefore the hackers just didn't want to bother with it; but that is changing.
[06:38] <ducasse> ELQEYNN: this is offtopic here, if you want to discuss it further please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:40] <ELQEYNN> I meant, whether the hackers might likewise be getting interested in Linux & ubuntu.
[06:41] <ELQEYNN> I just looked up iirc on google ... it isn't any form of IRC.
[06:42] <ducasse> iirc = 'if i recall correctly'
[06:51] <mobile_c> how do i fix this
[06:51] <mobile_c> qemu-system-x86_64: OpenGL support is disabled
[06:51] <mobile_c> SDL1 display code has no opengl support.
[06:51] <mobile_c> Please recompile qemu with SDL2, using
[06:52] <mobile_c> ./configure --enable-sdl --with-sdlabi=2.0
[06:53] <mobile_c> i did sudo apt install qemu-system-x86
[06:54] <kastor_agri> hello, i'm new on IRC
[06:57] <mobile_c> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/RIStqTeFdjAq3r4DtR9T/
[07:00] <Shibe1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[07:02] <someone_> Hi, I have read this news : "Blue light from phone screens accelerates blindness, study finds", one of solutions use blue light filter, Windows and Mac have such as those filters but what about linux distros ?
[07:04] <Torgeir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
[07:07] <Nokaji> someone_: ubuntu 18.04 has 'night mode', a blue filter iirc
[07:08] <ducasse> someone_: check out redshift, might be what you're looking for
[07:10] <ronniemcronface> 'night light' only exists in GNOME
[07:10] <ronniemcronface> aside from redshift, you can also try f.lux
[07:11] <Guest4791> for me f.lux didn't work out well
[07:12] <Guest4791> unfortunately redshift is not yet configurable, but the best solution I've found so far
[07:14] <someone_> Nokaji I'm using Kubuntu 16.04 How can I get this feature ?
[07:16] <Nokaji> someone_: sorry, I'm still quite the newbie at the mo'
[07:17] <ducasse> someone_: there's no qt interface afaik, but you can install redshift-gtk and use that instead
[07:17] <Nokaji> someone_: there is an app called 'redshift' in the store
[07:18] <someone_> ducasse , Nokaji Ok, Thank you so much , God bless you guys.
[07:20] <ducasse> Nokaji: 'redshift' is just the command line client, 'redshift-gtk' contains the gui
[07:22] <someone_> I found this package Plasma widget for Redshift and it is depend on redshift
[07:22] <ducasse> someone_: then try that
[07:24] <guest> how to get rid from "booting in insecure mode" message without enabling it
[07:26] <someone_> I have installed it but I can't find it among widgets , I tihnk this package is old and does not work with KDE
[07:27] <nilstab> hi guys i mived the oartition and ubuntu does not boot up anymore journalctl sas ntpd failed because of name resolving. i can see that network manager does not start. the service is enabled but inactive/dead. how to fix it? nothing with network is in journalctl -xe
[07:29] <nilstab> anybody?
[07:29] <guest> ubuntu communitheme vs ubuntu communitheme on xorg
[07:30] <Nokaji> ducasse: ty - may be handy if/when I try some other distros
[07:30] <Arash5> hi
[07:30] <guest> how to get rid from "booting in insecure mode" message without enabling it
[07:34] <ducasse> guest: why do you need to remove it? it just means that secure boot is disabled, afaik.
[07:35] <guest> ducasse: delay startup
[07:36] <nilstab> i moved the partition and ubuntu does not boot up anymore journalctl sas ntpd failed because of name resolving. i can see that network manager does not start. the service is enabled but inactive/dead. how to fix it? nothing with network is in journalctl -xe. if i restart network-manager by hand it throws me out of the emergemcy shell back into the loading screen just to end with the same error again
[07:46] <guiverc> nilstab, i don't know your issue, but I'd start by checking fstab, and that all partitions are mounted & accessed.  not booting ubuntu implies to me your /boot has moved & grub stage 1 points wrong, but your journalctl/ntp references wouldn't occur so I'm missing something...
[07:54] <ducasse> guest: are you using any dkms drivers? nvidia, virtualbox etc?
[07:54] <guest> ducasse: wifi drivers
[07:54] <ducasse> guest: then you can't disable that message
[07:57] <ducasse> guest: at least not without enabling secure boot, that's the only possible alternative i can think of
[07:58] <guest> ducasse: how to implement it in ubuntu ? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1032018 #9
[08:04] <ducasse> guest: you can try the shim from that bug report, but that's probably quite old by now. might be better to file a bug and get this fixed in ubuntu properly.
[08:04] <guest> thanks , i will
[08:06] <ducasse> guest: if you do file a bug, be sure and link to the redhat bug
[08:45] <rolig> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[08:48] <JStoker0> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[08:54] <Vach0n> Hi. I'm havin an issue with my ubuntu server. I'm trying to install vnc using this guide: https://linuxconfig.org/vnc-server-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux - When I install xfce4 I get this error: https://pastebin.com/1MFMzXuD - How do I set this "RESUME" variable?
[08:55] <Vach0n> I've tried this - But it's not completely the same as my issue (close though), but doing what is mentioned in this post, doesn't do anything for me: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=133253
[08:55] <naftilos76> Hi i have always been used in installing virtualbox from the original site but it turns out that in the case of a linux guest in VB i cannot access any of the usb devices connected to my laptop. Will installing from the repos make any difference?
[09:08] <t3hyoshi> @naftilos76 Are VBGuestExtensions installed on your guest?
[09:21] <prad_bitt> hey guys, i'm considering purchasing a used thinkpad t440 to run ubuntu 18.04 on it. BUT: it's 1366x768 on a 14 inch display. is that res too low?
[09:23] <coz_> prad_bitt,  mmm  should be ok.let me check
[09:23] <mobile_c_> are the ubuntu servers down
[09:24] <mobile_c_> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/XwURdK6YxyDnfcxAwcLX/
[09:25] <coz_> prad_bitt,  take a look here   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOD8NfWLnRU
[09:26] <prad_bitt> thanks
[09:26] <MasterPiece> Hey there, How many minute it takes to archive the channel log here? https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/08/18/
[09:28] <coz_> prad_bitt, looks like a crap system on that video, didnt  watch the who;e thing, but other videos there as well
[09:31] <xubuntu18041> mobile_c; Main-Update-server working for me, Fetched 1,936 kB in 6s (347 kB/s) Reading package lists... Done Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
[09:33] <prad_bitt> yeah, i'm a little unsure bcs this particular one doesn't come with hd+ but just 1366x768
[09:33] <prad_bitt> :-/
[09:33] <coz_> prad_bitt,  ah ok , mmm
[09:34] <coz_> prad_bitt, what will you use this for?
[09:35] <prad_bitt> general personal computing
[09:35] <prad_bitt> some low-spec gaming
[09:35] <coz_> prad_bitt, ok, is it upreageable. memory etc?
[09:36] <prad_bitt> i guess so
[09:36] <mobile_c_> lel "Need to get 1,999 MB/2,428 MB of archives"
[09:37] <coz_> prad_bitt,  to be honest, if the price is low enough, give it a try,  the laptop I amon right now, I actuall purchased for $200 at pawn shop
[09:37] <coz_> prad_bitt,  it works just fine and I upgraded the memory
[09:37] <coz_> it's a dell 15-5568
[09:38] <prad_bitt> the specs are fine... i5, 265 ssd. price is good too
[09:38] <coz_> prad_bitt,  I thought it be "ok" but not bad at all
[09:38] <prad_bitt> 8g of ram
[09:38] <coz_> prad_bitt, that's not too bad
[09:39] <coz_> prad_bitt, it may have an expansion slot
[09:39] <coz_> prad_bitt,  whay about price?
[09:39] <prad_bitt> right now i'm on a dell latitude 12,5 inch, i5, ssd, 8 gig... also 1366x768.
[09:40] <coz_> prad_bitt, and? it's ok? yes?
[09:40] <prad_bitt> yeah, but i'm longing for a thinkpad :D
[09:40] <coz_> :)
[09:41] <coz_> prad_bitt,  if you have a local pawn shop, check there:)
[09:41] <prad_bitt> alright
[09:41] <haza-w12> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[09:41] <prad_bitt> thanks for the help, coz_
[09:41] <prad_bitt> need to make up my mind
[09:43] <coz_> haza-w12, what the He##@
[09:44] <coz_> idiot
[09:44] <xubuntu18041> mobile_c; You're using the Australian mirror, au.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:54] <xubuntu18041> coz_; Its a spam-bot: http://freenode.net/news/spambot-attack
[09:54] <coz_> xubuntu18041, oh!
[09:55] <coz_> xubuntu18041,  still, irritating
[09:56] <xubuntu18041> coz_; Yea, it sure is, pees me too!
[09:57] <coz_> :)
[09:58] <tomek3> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[09:58] <t3hyoshi> Lies
[10:00] <Strog15> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[10:02] <coz_> Strog15, idiot
[10:03] <blackflow> coz_: talking to a bot?
[10:03] <xubuntu18041> coz_; Same bot, logs in under user name
[10:03] <coz_> blackflow, just a reflex :)
[10:03] <xubuntu18041> ^^^ different
[10:06] <bobphalanx> Hey, I am using Ubuntu Desktop 18.04 and I just noticed port 631 open. I believe this has something to do with CUPS?PS How can I shut it off?
[10:08] <bobphalanx> CUPS*
[10:08] <blackflow> bobphalanx: yeah that's cups. you can firewall it
[10:09] <coz_> bobphalanx, https://askubuntu.com/questions/19281/how-to-close-ports-disable-services
[10:09] <bobphalanx> I have firewalled it with ufw but I'd just like to turn it off.
[10:09] <bobphalanx> Thanks coz_
[10:10] <coz_> bobphalanx,  no problem, hope it helps
[10:10] <blackflow> bobphalanx: you can't without stopping the entire cupsd process but then local printing would be affected. Unless there's a cups config for that, I don't know, maybe look for that.
[10:10] <therock247uk22> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[10:10] <coz_> bobphalanx, google comes in handy :)
[10:12] <Holo18> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[10:13] <kg9> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[10:15] <bobphalanx> It's so handy when you do it for me coz_ ;)
[10:16] <coz_> bobphalanx, well i appreciate that, but....")
[10:16] <bobphalanx> had a bit of a hard time finding up-to-date answer for this, maybe i used the wrong terms
[10:17] <coz_> bobphalanx, yeah but sometimes the older posts can, at least, point you in the right direction
[10:18] <coz_> bobphalanx,  google  ubuntu 18.04 turn off port 631
[10:38] <u0_a397> help
[10:38] <u0_a397> lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalla
[10:38] <u0_a397> hahahahaha
[10:38] <u0_a397> hi
[10:39] <u0_a397> hello
[10:40] <spook1> Greetings
[10:42] <u0_a397> fali
[10:43] <u0_a397> fail
[10:45] <u0_a397> fail
[10:51] <jock> hi all!
[11:00] <Guest63774> hi there i just reinstalled ubuntu 18.04.1 over ubuntu 16 because it did not boot anymore. but after reinstalling only a grub shell comes up and not the menu to choose between windows und ubuntu. what went wrong? boot information is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CjkRDkckrh/
[11:01] <mobile_c_> https://i.imgur.com/OFECbNW.png no ur not, ur spamming me with beautifull colors <3
[11:04] <t3hyoshi> @Guest63774 Try rebooting into a live CD, chroot into your Ubuntu install, and see if you can run update-grub.
[11:05] <t3hyoshi> the main step is to chroot into your install.
[11:06] <t3hyoshi> update-grub will falter if you don't
[11:06] <Guest63774> t3hyoshi: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
[11:06] <Guest63774> mounted it on /mnt chrooted into it and this comes up
[11:07] <Guest63774> i ran it as root, this is right?
[11:09] <Guest63774> t3hyoshi: chroot int /mnt gave me no errors
[11:09] <allPC> re all
[11:10] <t3hyoshi> Hmm, now I'm stumped
[11:11] <Guest63774> http://pasteall.org/1072393
[11:11] <BlueShark2> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[11:13] <Galactor> Question: How do I make it so I stop auto-joining channels/servers on start-up of irssi?
[11:13] <Galactor> Mine tries to join a few different servers at once despite how I have different nick for those servers
[11:13] <Galactor> and it clogs me up with a ton of servers, channels, nickserv messages. its a little messy
[11:15] <t3hyoshi> Galactor: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1698756 seems to be right up your alley
[11:17] <FreeBDSM> why MESA doesn't improve in Direct3D support if most games are based on Direct3D, rather than OpenGL?
[11:19] <t3hyoshi> Direct3D isn't open source, unlike OpenGL. If they want to help improve Direct3D, they'd have to have Microsoft buy them out.
[11:19] <Galactor> t3hyoshi: Thanks for the info! I'll give it a look
[11:28] <Sove> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[11:37] <barbietoss> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[11:53] <zopsi8> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[12:17] <doubled> hello
[12:19] <Delvien> !hi | Doubled
[12:21] <irinix13> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[12:22] <pronine> hello
[12:22] <pronine> Paint supreme 3d is not working
[12:22] <doubled> :-)
[12:23] <pronine> I installed "Paint Supreme 3d - Snap" using the software center in Xubuntu and while opening it only shows the first screen and doesn't load. It doesn't open. How to make it open to use it. Please help.
[12:23] <pronine> I installed "Paint Supreme 3d - Snap" using the software center in Xubuntu and while opening it only shows the first screen and doesn't load. It doesn't open. How to make it open to use it. Please help.
[12:23] <pronine> I installed "Paint Supreme 3d - Snap" using the software center in Xubuntu and while opening it only shows the first screen and doesn't load. It doesn't open. How to make it open to use it. Please help.
[12:23] <t3hyoshi> Woah, woah
[12:23] <t3hyoshi> Calm down there pal. We see your message.
[12:23] <pronine> could you help?
[12:24] <t3hyoshi> I'm not familiar with the application. When running it in a terminal, what does it give you?
[12:24] <pronine> The same problem is happening, even if I'm opening it through the terminal, only the first screen is showing after that the application doesn't load even waiting for a long time.
[12:25] <pronine> you please install and try. it's in software center
[12:25] <t3hyoshi> Is there anything within the terminal
[12:26] <pronine> no, Nothing
[12:26] <pronine> I'm using xubuntu 18.04
[12:26] <t3hyoshi> Keep an eye on https://askubuntu.com/questions/1066482/paint-supreme-3d-not-opening-in-xubuntu-18-04
[12:27] <pronine> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1066482/paint-supreme-3d-not-opening-in-xubuntu-18-04 this is my link only
[12:27] <pronine> I'm here for faster problem solving
[12:28] <pronine> LOL
[12:28] <guiverc> pronine, you'll have to be patient here too, if someone knows the answer they'll provide it (unless you annoy them & they just ignore you)
[12:29] <pronine> Oh no.
[12:29] <pronine> I guess this problem is only with me, as couldn't find any questions of not loading paint supreme 3d
[12:30] <t3hyoshi> I'll try testing it
[12:30] <pronine> or maybe people haven't tried this application yet
[12:30] <pronine> okay
[12:30] <t3hyoshi> I can't guarantee I will have an answer
[12:30] <pronine> It's okay, please try
[12:30] <FreeBDSM> how much to wait before wine packages with fresh version 3.13 will be available in ubuntu repos?
[12:32] <t3hyoshi> A kabillion years
[12:32] <t3hyoshi> *sarcasm*
[12:32] <t3hyoshi> I swear, for the longest time, Ubuntu's repos were stuck at 1.8.
[12:32] <doubled> i'm studying for the lpic 101-400 exam at the moment, any tips?
[12:33] <FreeBDSM> turns out I am using wine from winehq.org repos
[12:33] <FreeBDSM> is there a way to make apt output repo for packages?
[12:33] <guiverc> FreeBDSM, wine is in universe; so until someone in the community actually compiles, tests & packages it...
[12:33] <FreeBDSM> so that `apt search` would show repos for each suggested package
[12:34] <t3hyoshi> FreeBDSM: wine is usually best acquired from the WineHQ PPA
[12:34] <noob> why does running "man []" in bash open the man page for Mail?
[12:34] <guiverc> doubled, this room is for Ubuntu Support questions, your question better suits #ubuntu-discuss  (as it doesn't relate to Ubuntu Support)
[12:34] <FreeBDSM> t3hyoshi: no, from https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/
[12:34] <doubled> guiverc, alrighty, thanks! :D
[12:34] <FreeBDSM> noob: `alias | grep man`
[12:35] <pronine> hello
[12:35] <pronine> has anybody checked my question?
[12:35] <pronine> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1066482/paint-supreme-3d-not-opening-in-xubuntu-18-04?noredirect=1#comment1747580_1066482
[12:35] <t3hyoshi> pronine: I tried it and can replicate the issue. As this does seem to be a proprietary piece of software, I recommend going to the developer's website and seeking help from them.
[12:35] <guiverc> !patience | pronine
[12:35] <FreeBDSM> pronine: snap is crapware, avoid it.
[12:36] <pronine> okay
[12:36] <pronine> thank you
[12:36] <Delvien> it really is
[12:37] <guiverc> I dispute that snap is crapware; most snaps are very good.
[12:37] <pronine> FreeBDSM: hmmm
[12:37] <FreeBDSM> snap is a poor solution for dependency hell
[12:37] <pronine> Android Studio works well
[12:37] <FreeBDSM> tl;dr: in general, the problem of dependency hell is still not solved elegantly by anyone.
[12:37] <noob> FreeBSDM: that command returns nothing on my system
[12:37] <t3hyoshi> dependency hell is hell
[12:38] <FreeBDSM> noob: it still was worth to check.
[12:38] <pronine> I'm using many snaps but only having problem with paint supreme 3d
[12:38] <FreeBDSM> snaps are too fat
[12:38] <pronine> true
[12:38] <FreeBDSM> snaps are tied to snap ecosystem which is a dictate
[12:38] <FreeBDSM> there is no snap with firefox 56-esr, for example.
[12:38] <pronine> but, nowdays storage is not a problem
[12:38] <t3hyoshi> It must be either the package or the program itself. Ubuntu doesn't maintain snaps, it's up to the publisher. You will have to talk to PaintSupreme3D's devs.
[12:39] <pronine> t3hyoshi: okay
[12:39] <FreeBDSM> the problem of fatness is not just in storage, but also in portability
[12:39] <FreeBDSM> yes, poorly made snaps are a thing
[12:40] <FreeBDSM> I've used official mozilla's script that they used to create snap with firefox esr version next after 56 to build a snap with firefox esr 56. the result was a broken browser.
[12:41] <t3hyoshi> Snaps, flatpaks, and AppImages are a godsend, however, if one thing is messed up in the package, the whole system's borked.
[12:41] <FreeBDSM> I think even docker is doing better job at containing apps than snaps
[12:41] <t3hyoshi> That's because a docker container is an app and the minimum amount of an OS needed to run the app
[12:41] <FreeBDSM> yes
[12:41] <FreeBDSM> and it works better than snaps and other stuff
[12:42] <t3hyoshi> True
[12:42] <FreeBDSM> there are docker images based on Alpine Linux - the OS that weights mere megabytes
[12:42] <t3hyoshi> Yet it's built off of muslc
[12:43] <FreeBDSM> thus, even docker images are not as fat as snaps
[12:43] <t3hyoshi> While it's great for statically linking, using code that's built for the fatty-fat GNU Libc won't work without patching
[12:44] <FreeBDSM> what?
[12:45] <t3hyoshi> Most C/C++ code is built mainly for GLibc
[12:45] <nmrh>  /quit
[12:45] <FreeBDSM> okay, so?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:45] <t3hyoshi> You have to patch it out for muslc to work
[12:45] <t3hyoshi> Heya!
[12:45] <FreeBDSM> what's muslc?
[12:46] <t3hyoshi> Muslc is a C Library that is made for making small statically linked applications. Alpine and Void use it as the base C Library. https://www.musl-libc.org/
[12:47] <t3hyoshi> It's the Opera of C Libraries
[12:48] <FreeBDSM> I guess the right comment is `the code built for one particular compiler is a bad code`
[12:49] <t3hyoshi> Well, yes
[12:49] <t3hyoshi> Portability is key in the POSIX-Compliant system
[12:50] <Asoka> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[12:50] <t3hyoshi> I'm going to move this over to #ubuntu-discuss
[12:52] <FreeBDSM> so is there a way to make apt output repo for packages? so that `apt search` would show repos for each suggested package.
[12:53] <t3hyoshi> FreeBDSM: https://askubuntu.com/questions/8560/how-do-i-find-out-which-repository-a-package-comes-from
[12:53] <t3hyoshi> That seems what you are trying to do
[12:54] <t3hyoshi> apt show as well
[12:55] <FreeBDSM> that's not what I wanted
[12:55] <FreeBDSM> but I guess the answer is `no`
[12:56] <FreeBDSM> I wanted `apt search` (the command that returns a list of packages) show that info
[12:56] <t3hyoshi> Yeah, search only shows you if the package is available
[12:56] <t3hyoshi> apt show <package_name> will show you which list it comes from
[12:56] <FreeBDSM> yeah, I know
[12:56] <FreeBDSM> that's the problem
[12:57] <FreeBDSM> list vs 1 package
[12:57] <t3hyoshi> pipe it through grep and sed then send it to apt show?
[12:58] <FreeBDSM> that's a construct bound to fail in future + it will probably be slow
[12:58] <t3hyoshi> No. There's no native way.
[12:58] <FreeBDSM> okay, I'll survive.
[13:01] <Lope> I've been using nginx with php7.2, but now I need to do maintenance on a site that needs apache.
[13:02] <Lope> So I installed apache2 and configured the virtual server with my /etc/hosts file, it's working, but it's not interpreting PHP
[13:02] <Lope> I ran a2enmod but it doesn't list any php modules
[13:02] <Lope> I don't know how apache works, can someone please tell me what I need to do?
[13:03] <t3hyoshi> Have you installed libapache2-mod-php?
[13:04] <t3hyoshi> Digital Ocean has instructions on how to set up a LAMP stack on Ubuntu
[13:04] <t3hyoshi> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-16-04
[13:05] <Lope> t3hyoshi, installing now, thanks :)
[13:05] <Lope> PERFECT!
[13:05] <Lope> you're awesome, thank you.
[13:05] <t3hyoshi> Just giving back
[13:06] <FreeBDSM> Lope: a2enmode enables modules, not lists them
[13:11] <jesse__> how I can swap ctrl with caps lock in gnome?
[13:12] <jesse__> setxmap just works not long
[13:14] <Lope> FreeBDSM, if you run it without specifying a module it lists them
[13:14] <FreeBDSM> oh
[13:17] <Parqs>  good evening. can anybody tell me how to set a certain permission that applies to the parent but not to its subfolders? googling this has been an pain and fruitless. it's basically this: ever user has his own folder. within that folder can rwx anything, but should not be able to rename or remove this parent folder
[13:18] <Parqs> setting permissions of subdirectories in that folder would be easy. but what to set the permissions to to make the parent folder not removable, renamable by the user but let the user create anything within it
[13:20] <jock> Hello all
[13:21] <jock> Parqs, maybe sticky bit can be useful to you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit
[13:30] <Parqs> thanks. i made a mistake, it only looked as if the user can remove the folder because windows explorer removed it from the list when dragging it away (its on a samba server access by windows clients). but it wasnt really removed
[13:30] <Parqs> @jock thanks. i made a mistake, it only looked as if the user can remove the folder because windows explorer removed it from the list when dragging it away (its on a samba server access by windows clients). but it wasnt really removed
[13:32] <jock> @Parqs ah-ha, understood :(
[13:39] <ELQEYNN> So, if a Windows machine is networked with Samba to a LInux machine, a virus can be ransferred?
[13:40] <jock> of course
[13:41] <Parqs> while i'm already here i might as well ask.. how would you debug this error? ubuntu server 16.04 lts crashed this morning. i could ping it, but no services (smbd) were available. the really strange thing was, that i could connect with ssh (verified with verbose output that it connects to the host but after connection, no login, just waits. no timeouts either). because that server had a similar problems some days earlier i had a screen connected to it. it
[13:41] <Parqs> showed a stack trace on the console that repeated itself every few seconds. no reaction to any input. i know this isnt much to go by but where would you look? in syslog and kern.log nothing out of the ordinary
[13:42] <Guest43465> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[13:45] <jock> @Parqs, most probably there is an issue with hardware if the kernel is spamming stack traces and ssh is connecting but does not show a shell. It can be anything, but when this kind of condition happens to me, usually it is something related to mass storage
[13:50] <Parqs> thanks @jock that's what i thought also, i have since removed the partition on the same harddrive as the root part (i know, but budget restrictions make me use every hdd available) that was being used as part of our storage "cluster" to reduce hdd load
[13:50] <debouncer> noob here, why all sources of drivers provided in graphical-drivers PPA is not open-source? Most of the package is binary. I am asking this for sake of my curiosity.
[13:52] <pragmaticenigma> debouncer: The manufacturers offer open source versions of their drivers, however they are limited in their functionality. The closed source drivers have the ability to access more features of the cards. The closed source is for competition with other manufacturers.
[13:53] <pragmaticenigma> debouncer: All the software in the package repositories (both the drivers and regular Ubuntu) are in binary form. Even though some are open source. Open source just means the developer offers their source code in some form, in a place where other people can view, and contribute changes.
[14:00] <lilkuz2005> any pcsxr users in here, im trying to figure out why the gamepad configuration menu wont load, i cant configure gamepads in the emulator, not sure if its a gtk issue or what, i ran the emu through terminal and nothing echos when i click on the controller config buttons
[14:01] <debouncer> pragmaticenigma, thanks for clarification... do  developers provide source in a specific place? I mean, is there any link in launchpad to the source code?
[14:03] <pragmaticenigma> debouncer: That depends on the developer, for it to be considered open source it needs to be made public. Since we're in the support channel, we should probably head over to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic for more discussion. (You may need to register your nick/screenname/handle before joining)
[14:03] <pragmaticenigma> !register | debouncer
[14:04] <Nokaji> HI, ... BLKID shows my partitions however there are endless (okay 30) of the following, or similar "/dev/loop4: TYPE="squashfs" - It seems these are (sandboxed) SNAPS but it looks awfully messy - I guess my question for now is whether there is a switch to hide them from being displayed by blkid?
[14:04] <qwebirc41068> to any mythbuntu maintainers still here. THANK YOU. I was about to do an long deserved upgrade and read that the project had stopped due to limited time. I have been running mythbuntu for so long and it has been so stable, you guys and the mythtv team have done an excellent job.
[14:05] <ELQEYNN> mythbuntu, is that some kind of special version of ubuntu?
[14:05] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc41068: You misread their posting. Mythbuntu is not stopped. They are no longer building ISOs. They will continue on maintaining the package repositories for Ubuntu.
[14:06] <qwebirc41068> pragmaticenigma: yes, I was wanting to go to 18.04 version of mythbuntu
[14:06] <pragmaticenigma> ELQEYNN: Mythbuntu was a flavor of Ubuntu that included the MythTV application, configured and tuned to run on Ubuntu.
[14:06] <ELQEYNN> What does the MythTV application do?
[14:07] <qwebirc41068> because all their previous upgrades worked so well, latest mythtv + latest ubuntu with a quick command line and always problem free (even though the server was running lots and lots of other services too)
[14:07] <pragmaticenigma> ELQEYNN: These are questions better suited for the #ubuntu-offtopic channel.
[14:09] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc41068: I can assure you that it is still as easy as before to run. I'm currently running MythTV provided by the mythbuntu team, on Kubuntu. If you'd like to continue discussion, please join us in the #ubuntu-discuss channel or #ubuntu-offtopic. We should keep this channel open for support questions.
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> ELQEYNN: I do not accept PMs, please keep conversations in the main channels. Thank you.
[14:19] <smacktalk> is there a firewall with the newer version of ubuntu
[14:20] <smacktalk> I cant stream videos from pc to my chromecast
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> smacktalk: Ubuntu install ufw by default, it is also disabled by default
[14:22] <lilkuz2005> i run ubuntu-mate and im pretty sure it came with the install
[14:23] <lilkuz2005> firewall configuration
[14:36] <gareth__28> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[14:39] <StormGor> Hello!
[14:39] <fabipi> hi
[14:40] <StormGor> How can I reserve a nick after registration? So that others can not use it?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> you already saved it if youregistered
[14:42] <lucas-arg> hey guys, any idea how can i change GDM resolution?
[14:43] <StormGor> BluesKaj: thx
[14:44] <skinux> Is KDE still the desktop that comes closest to Windows look and feel?
[14:44] <luna_> yeah
[14:44] <lucas-arg> tried this sudo cp .config/monitors.xml /var/lib/gdm3/.config/ but doesnt work
[14:45] <Delvien> .3
[14:45] <BluesKaj> skinux, some say so, but to me it's just the layout that's kind of windows-like
[14:45] <BluesKaj> the default layout that is
[14:48] <asklah> hi, how can I import my private and public gnupg keys in a new installed ubuntu 18.04? I put them(secring.gpg and pubring.gpg) in ./gnupg but if I exucate (gpg --list-secret-keys) in a terminal is no output there
[14:50] <pete_> Hey guys, anything interesting today?
[14:54] <wind> lol, the timed "do you want to send telemetry" pop-up on recent ubuntu/mate
[14:55] <wind> I think I'll install gentoo next time, don't want invasive randomly timed telemetry pop ups on my linux :D
[14:56] <asklah> :D
[14:56] <wind> tnx for trying, caconical, FU
[15:01] <memphisto> hi, i get following error pip install --upgrade pip setuptools
[15:01] <memphisto> AttributeError: '_NamespacePath' object has no attribute 'sort'
[15:01] <memphisto> and no pythong app is running
[15:01] <memphisto> all get the same error
[15:01] <memphisto> i've removed python3-pip
[15:04] <asklah> okay, I solved my problem ^^
[15:08] <Shmam> Trying to add a ppa and got the following error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7sPVs9BX6v/
[15:09] <loppy2> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[15:17] <RedNifre> Ich habe mir Umlaute per xmodmap eingestellt, aber sie funktionieren in fast keinem Programm. Ich vermute es liegt irgendwie an AltGr (Also ich moechte AltGr + o fuer ein o-Umlaut druecken etc.). Ne Idee, was man da machen kann? In alten Ubuntu-Versionen lief meine .Xmodmap ohne Probleme...
[15:18] <RedNifre> Ich vermute dass mein rechtes AltGr von den meisten Programmen als Alt interpretiert wird. Kann ich irgendwo einstellen, dass das AltGr sein soll?
[15:22] <Shmam> Trying to add a ppa and got the following error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7sPVs9BX6v/
[15:23] <pothibo> How can I disable the annoying HUD toggle when pressing my left cmd key on my macbook? I'm on Ubuntu 18 and it's driving me crazy
[15:25] <RedNifre> oh, sorry, wrong channel i guess...
[15:25] <SimonNL_Afk> RedNifre: Kannst du vielleicht am bestens in #ubuntu-de vragen
[15:25] <SimonNL_Afk> RedNifre: nur English hier
[15:29] <lilkuz2005> hey guys, can anyone tell me if xboxdrv should be used or should the default driver ?
[15:29] <Carlos06118> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[15:31] <o7> Ubuntu18.04.1__ Hi, how to fix globalmenu display bug on adjustments app ? when click on once extention on extention panel, automatically link on Pixel Saver download.
[15:32] <Deknos> why cant i put kde applications like qtcreator or kdevelop not in the bar on the left as favourite? that comes across like you do not want kde applications in ubuntu...
[15:40] <jay_> Halloah. I'm using a Realtek Wifi Dongle to get internet, and have successfully installed the driver (via github) on one of my distros. However, I'm having some trouble getting it to work on Ubuntu (mostly becuase I don't remember the process anymore). Anyone have any ideas?
[15:41] <jay_> Driver is from https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au btw. And yes, i followed the install instructions
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> Deknos: There isn't such a thing as a KDE app. Yoso need to be more specific about what you are attempting to do. What is "bar on the left" mean? How are you attempting to add them?
[15:47] <hammer06514> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> jay_: You will need to reach out to the developer directly or use their support forums for assistance. This channel is limited to supporting software, and drivers that are provided through official Ubuntu and Canonical sources.
[15:47] <jay_> thanks prag
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> jay_: There is also a possiblity that you do not need to install anything. are you certain that the device isn't working?
[15:48] <jay_> yes, it's Realtek, which, as far as I know, does not automatically get linux drivers. I had to run through the same process last time, with quite a bit of troubleshooting (on linux mint)
[15:49] <jay_> and the device is certainly working (on one distro), becasue I'm using it to type here now ;)
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> jay_: what is "one distro" ?
[15:51] <jay_> It's working on linux mint, but I haven't got it to work on Ubuntu
[15:51] <Deknos> i start kdevelop or kate or qtcreator
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam: there is an issue with that ppa at this time. You might need to clear apt cache, or just wait until later to see if it resolves it self.
[15:51] <Deknos> after that, i rightcklick on the icon, where with firefox there comes a menu point add to favorites or remove from favorites
[15:52] <Deknos> this does not appear with kde applications like kate or kdevelops
[15:53] <StephenS23> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> Deknos: It appears to be a known issue with Gnome
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> Deknos: it isn't KDE applications... the correct term is Qt based applications
[15:54] <Kuwanger> Are the cryptdisks/cryptsetup services no ops now?  Every time I try to run "systemctl restart cryptsetup.target" or "/etc/init.d/cryptdisks restart" it doesn't seem to do anything.
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> jay_: okay, what I'm trying to verify is that the device hasn't had it's drivers already added to the kernel. Meaning, did you attempt to see if it works without doing anything. or did you assume you had to compile the drivers because you had to before?
[15:55] <Deknos> ah, okay. because gnome still sucks ass and does not want to cooperate..
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> Deknos: please mind your language
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> Deknos: It's also not entirely the fault of Gnome, Qt may not express the needed hooks/handles for Gnome to identify the application launching mechanism
[15:57] <Deknos> is that *REALLY* the case? because as far as i am aware, kde tries to adhere to e.g. freedesktop specs which gnome threw out, because it hinders them in their point of view
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> Deknos: KDE, which is built with Qt, doesn't make use of pinned applications the way Gnome does.
[15:57] <justJanne1> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[15:58] <Deknos> pragmaticenigma: yeah, and KDE/QT has no knowledge how long that mechanism will be stable, so why should they implement it? perhaps gnome throws out/changes that mechanism as well in the next release
[15:58] <Deknos> it is really alienating.
[15:59] <pragmaticenigma> Deknos: This topic is moving to offtopic territory... let's keep focus on support
[15:59] <Deknos> you started the discussion. it was just an disgruntled comment, which everybody can ignore :)
[16:00] <Deknos> but yeah, you're right.
[16:03] <Jakob_> Hello?
[16:04] <Jakob_> Anyone l
[16:04] <Jakob_> Online?
[16:04] <jay_> hello
[16:04] <hggdh> Jakob_: many. Just ask your support question
[16:04] <Jakob_> Oh okay
[16:04] <Jakob_> So im trying to install Ubuntu on an old desktop
[16:04] <Jakob_> Via disc
[16:05] <Jakob_> But I cant seem to make the cd into a ISO image
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> Jakob_: please try to type everything on one line, it's easier to follow
[16:06] <Jakob_> Okay, I'm trying to install ubuntu on my old Desktop. But it wont recognise the CD i put in as an ISO file
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> Jakob_: when you burned the CD did you use the "Burn Image" option or did you copy the ISO into the file list and burn the disk?
[16:07] <Jakob_> I copied the iso into the file list
[16:08] <Jakob_> Im guessing i shouldn't have done that
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> Jakob_: You need to use the "Burn Image" or "Burn ISO" feature of your burning software application.
[16:08] <Jakob_> Which burning software would you recommend
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> Jakob_: That depends on what Operating System you are currently using to burn the disk
[16:09] <Jakob_> Windows 10
[16:09] <pragmaticenigma> Jakob_: For MS Windows, I personally use CDBurnerXP
[16:09] <Jakob_> Okay thanks
[16:10] <pragmaticenigma> Jakob_: When you first launch CDBurnerXP, you will see an option for Burn ISO Image... that will step you through burning the disk.
[16:13] <Jakob_> It says i need an empty cd, but it's already empty
[16:13] <Jakob_> should i formate it
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> Jakob_: Are you trying to use the same CD that you used previously?
[16:13] <Jakob_> yes
[16:14] <pragmaticenigma> Jakob_: You can't do that. You need a brand new disk. Once a CD is burned, it cannot be reused.
[16:14] <Jakob_> ah damn
[16:14] <Jakob_> im guessing i should go invest in that then
[16:14] <jay_> I'm not any expert, but I do know that bootable media is usually better. Got a usb stick?
[16:15] <jay_> Those are reusable
[16:15] <Jakob_> yeah i do
[16:15] <texla> Jakob_, Is the cd a cd-rw then you can blank and use
[16:15] <eetu> When i do nslookup google.com i get this error ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached, however ping works
[16:15] <eetu> what could be the reason
[16:15] <Jakob_> its a cd-rw yes
[16:16] <t3hyoshi> eetu: Are you able to browse to a domain on a browser?
[16:16] <eetu> t3hyoshi: yes i'm able to
[16:16] <jay_> Jakob: then you should be able to format it and reuse it. It's as good as a usb stick in this case
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> nslookup queries a DNS server, the DNS server configured is not responding quickly or is purposefully ignoring the request
[16:17] <texla> Jakob_, Use brasero to blank then you can install iso
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> texla: If you were following along, they are not on Ubuntu, they are currently on Windows
[16:17] <eetu> pragmaticenigma: local dns resolution doesnt work?
[16:17] <eetu> any problem with /etc/resolv.conf?
[16:18] <t3hyoshi> eetu: Local DNS comes from the Hosts file
[16:18] <eetu> t3hyoshi: oh then what is resolv.conf for?
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> eetu: There is no reason that should be modifified... Ubuntu since 16,04 installs dnsmasq to do local caching of DNS requests
[16:19] <eetu> pragmaticenigma: ah ok
[16:19] <Vizstars> hi namaku visstars
[16:19] <Vizstars> ada yang on?
[16:19] <eetu> what could be the reason pragmaticenigma
[16:20] <Vizstars> hi my name vizstars
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> eetu: dnsmasq automatically uses several local resources before using the DNS provider from DHCP to make queries. Personally I don't use nslookup.. .I use "dig"
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | Vizstars
[16:20] <Vizstars> e juan
[16:20] <Vizstars> woyy kmfret
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> !english | Vizstars
[16:21] <Vizstars> u
[16:21] <craig__> Is there a way to log into freenode with the same user account on multiple devices?
[16:21] <eetu> pragmaticenigma: so for dig also, ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[16:21] <Vizstars> #exits
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> craig__: no, that would be a violation of the guidelines
[16:21] <craig__> I'm craigbass76, but can't find which device I've got already here, so I can't be me.
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> craig__: Please join #freenode for assistance
[16:24] <craig__> pragmaticenigma, I just ran pkill on everything but this one, and didn't check first, so it might just be a few minutes before I can be me again. I was curious though, since it's happened before. I thought slack ran on irc, basically, and I can have several devices running. No biggie though
[16:25] <pragmaticenigma> craig__: This isn't the correct channel for assistance on that topic. You need to go to #freenode for help with accounts
[16:25] <codecutter> We usually use SSH Key to connect to our DO Droplet. I recently upgraded my personal computer and no longer have access to the old computer where the ssh keys are stored.
[16:25] <codecutter> Appended following properties to sshd_config (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) file as suggested.
[16:26] <codecutter> PermitRootLogin yes
[16:26] <codecutter> AllowUsers root [foo]
[16:26] <codecutter> PasswordAuthentication yes
[16:26] <codecutter> now?
[16:26] <codecutter> how do i connect with password?
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: user based keys are kept in the folder ~/.ssh
[16:27] <codecutter> what does that mean?
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: for starters... imeediately remove the "PermitRootLogin yes" line... that is a huge security vulnerability
[16:28] <codecutter> will do once i have reset my ssh keys
[16:28] <codecutter> in the mean time how do login with my pass?
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: Do it now... you don't need that in order to add your keys
[16:29] <codecutter> as root or user foo
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: You should never allow an SSH session under root
[16:29] <ducasse> codecutter: why not just generate keys and add them via do web interface?
[16:29] <codecutter> can i do that?
[16:29] <micha234> hey guys, trying to get connect to my linux server via serial port. so far i enabled serial in bios, enabled it for grub, dmesg|grep tty shows me the serial devices, also does stty/setserial, systemd spawned agetty process for ttyS0 but every time i connect via putty no login prompt is visible. any ideas on how to troubleshoot that?
[16:30] <ducasse> codecutter: yes
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: that was my next step once you resecured your SSH service
[16:30] <codecutter> talk me through it
[16:32] <codecutter> al 3 lines removed
[16:32] <codecutter> all*
[16:32] <codecutter> i havde generated keys in my local computer, how do i move them to remove droptlet?
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> are you able to access the remote ssh system with a username and password?
[16:34] <codecutter> no
[16:34] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: here are the instructions for putting your key int he remote droplet
[16:34] <pragmaticenigma> https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/droplets/how-to/add-ssh-keys/to-existing-droplet/
[16:35] <codecutter> is this the file contains public key? ssh/id_rsa.pub
[16:35] <codecutter> containing*
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> if those instructions do not work, you will need to contact DigitalOcean or the maintainer of the droplet for further help.
[16:37] <leonardus> what's the preferred way to install npm on ubuntu? `sudo apt install nodejs npm`?
[16:37] <lyze> yes
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> leonardus: this is a very good tutorial on installing nodejs: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-node-js-on-ubuntu-18-04
[16:38] <t3hyoshi> Follow Node's instructions
[16:38] <leonardus> thanks
[16:38] <vok`> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[16:38] <netmaniack> Hi. I have problems whit opendmarc setup on Ubuntu 18.04.1. Every tutorial I tried gives Me permission problems, it wont even start. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xZ9Y38hv8y/ (opendmarc log). Can You help?
[16:39] <t3hyoshi> You may need to chown the folder
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> netmaniack: make sure the folder is present, and make sure it has the correct permissions
[16:40] <t3hyoshi> ^
[16:42] <radens> Hello, how can I download the symbols for a given linux kernel version without apt?
[16:43] <Raccoon> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[16:44] <micha234> radens: i'd say you could navigate to the repository urls manually, download the packagefile and extract the desired package urls from it? This does not involve apt at all.
[16:46] <Mr-Potter> Hello how do I modify grub please? I'm running linux mint but know that the text editor is xed not gedit as my desktop environment is cinnamon
[16:46] <Mr-Potter> I would have used their IRC channel but it won't let me login so I've used this one instead :(
[16:47] <ducasse> Mr-Potter: you should be using their channel, you might just need to register first
[16:47] <radens> micha234: Is this the right repository URL http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/?
[16:48] <Mr-Potter> ducasse: Fair point but it won't even let me login to their IRC server
[16:48] <Mr-Potter> so I can't do that
[16:48] <micha234> radens: give me a sec to check, just answered out of my mind.
[16:49] <Mr-Potter> I just want to know now I've managed to open the grub file what am I supposed to write into it? I'm dual booting w/ windows 10 btw
[16:50] <codecutter> ducasse after adding public key via webconsole. do i need to reload anything?
[16:51] <ducasse> codecutter: no, you should be ready to login
[16:51] <codecutter> how the command?
[16:51] <codecutter> ssh username@ipaddress?
[16:52] <codecutter> whats the command*?
[16:52] <Mr-Potter> in other words what is line 235?
[16:52] <Mr-Potter> of the grub file
[16:52] <hggdh> codecutter: yes. Or, if you are to log in under the same userId you are using, just ssh address
[16:53] <ducasse> codecutter: yes, 'ssh user@host' - user would be root
[16:53] <codecutter> Permission denied (publickey).
[16:53] <netmaniack> I'm new to Linux in general. Folder is there, but what permissions do I need to set? chown by postfix?
[16:54] <ducasse> Mr-Potter: we can't support mint here as we have no idea what they have changed, try ##linux
[16:54] <Mr-Potter> ducasse: What it thank u
[16:54] <micha234> radens: there may be better ways, but this is what i have done sometime before:
[16:54] <codecutter> i'm getting \Permission denied (publickey).
[16:55] <naftilos76> Hi i am using update-rc.d to set a bash script to execute on startup and shutdown. There seems to be a problem as the priority is important. I do "sudo update-rc.d defaults 99 1" to force the script to execute after last in line and be stoped first. While K is confirmed to be K01 after doing "ls /etc/rc* -l" , S is strangely persistent at S02 and i do not know why. The result is that the script (which runs a couple of ruby scripts) does not do what
[16:55] <naftilos76> it is supposed to. Is 99 too large? Can anybody help?
[16:55] <codecutter> do i need to use the 'passphrase' that i added during generation of ssh keys, anywhere?
[16:56] <micha234> radens: navigate to your mirrors web/ftp server, start following the urls to your distro/arch. download the packages.gz file and extract it. it contains the urls to all packages, which would have been used by apt. AFAIK. see this example link here: http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/xenial/restricted/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
[16:57] <micha234> radens: you can download it with wget to stdout and directly pipe it to decompress in a 1 liner
[16:59] <radens> micha234: thanks. I'm not finding linux-image-13.*-dbgsym in there or other Packages.xz files under xenial
[16:59] <radens> Sorry, 4.13
[16:59] <Guest97794> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[17:00] <Redfoxmoon> is python3-lxml broken in 18.06?
[17:01] <Redfoxmoon> installed the python3-lxml package, running 'python3 -c "import lxml;"' results in ImportError: No module 'lxml' found....
[17:03] <naftilos76> Anybody on the update-rc.d issue?
[17:04] <codecutter> ducasse noticed ssh/authorized_keys in the droptlet still references the old ssh public key
[17:05] <ducasse> codecutter: ok, you can easily add the new one
[17:05] <codecutter> how? replace it?
[17:05] <ducasse> codecutter: or replace, as the old key is lost
[17:06] <ducasse> codecutter: just add the contents of id_rsa.pub
[17:08] <operador> install
[17:09] <operador> Como que se usar isso aqui?
[17:10] <radens> micha234: thanks, found the package
[17:14] <pragmaticenigma> !es | operador
[17:15] <pragmaticenigma> naftilos76: you will need to be more specific. as of right now, I'm not aware of any issues with update-rc.d issues
[17:17] <pragmaticenigma> Redfoxmoon: are you inside a virtual instance of python?
[17:18] <Redfoxmoon> pragmaticenigma, what?
[17:18] <Redfoxmoon> Just using the normal python3 from the python3 ubuntu package...
[17:18] <codecutter> ok if i try to manually copy/paste ssh public key from my local machine to the remote droplet via webconsole into the ssh/authorized_keys -  paste introduces errors to the content
[17:19] <pragmaticenigma> Redfoxmoon: I just installed lxml and ran it from the terminal with the same command... no issues
[17:20] <pragmaticenigma> Redfoxmoon: maybe try "sudo apt install --reinstall python3-lxml"
[17:20] <Redfoxmoon> on 18.04?
[17:21] <pragmaticenigma> yes Redfoxmoon
[17:22] <Redfoxmoon> wtf
[17:22] <Redfoxmoon> I literally just installed it too
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> Redfoxmoon: please mind the language and abbreviations
[17:22] <Redfoxmoon> EH
[17:22] <Redfoxmoon> eh*
[17:23] <parison> nothings works
[17:23] <micha234> radens: welcome :)
[17:23] <FreeBDSM> I'd like to try nvidia's beta drivers. How do I install them?
[17:23] <Redfoxmoon> pragmaticenigma, if this isn't wtf worthy then I don't know what is. https://foxi.me/img/KTYtF.txt
[17:24] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | Redfoxmoon
[17:24] <FreeBDSM> when I run the installer for that driver - it says I have X running
[17:24] <Redfoxmoon> or what
[17:24] <parison> got it
[17:24] <FreeBDSM> and I don't know how to stop it, because lightdm keeps respawning along with xorg if I kill any of them
[17:25] <Redfoxmoon> pragmaticenigma, hilarious, considering it's so ironic.
[17:25] <nshire> If I want to move the contents of a folder to another directory, but not the folder that contains them, how would I do that?
[17:26] <nshire> would I have to mv the files over individually?
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> nshire: follow this template "mv  -v /source_folder/* /dest_folder/"
[17:27] <nshire> if the destination folder already exists would that add any complications?
[17:27] <FreeBDSM> nshire: ^ but there's a catch, as always with unices. It may not move some files/dirs
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> nshire: The destination folder has to exist for that to work
[17:28] <Redfoxmoon> so instead of getting help with this issue I am instead getting told to not use "mean words"
[17:28] <Redfoxmoon> What's this, kindergarden
[17:28] <pragmaticenigma> nshire: it may not warn you if you are overwriting existing files
[17:28] <FreeBDSM> Redfoxmoon: replace mean words with word 'stuff'
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> Redfoxmoon: If you want to help, stay focused on that, and discontinue the commentary and unneeded expletives.
[17:29] <Redfoxmoon> If I can't say "WTF" here to a problem which can be aptly described as that
[17:29] <Redfoxmoon> I don't want any help from you.
[17:29] <Redfoxmoon> God what a world we live in. Goodbye.
[17:30] <FreeBDSM> that's the spirit of the community!
[17:30] <blkadder> That'll show us!
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> FreeBDSM, blkadder let's stay on topic :-)
[17:31] <blkadder> :-)
[17:31] <FreeBDSM> I'd like to try nvidia's beta drivers. How do I install them? when I run the installer for that driver - it says I have X running and I don't know how to stop it, because lightdm keeps respawning along with xorg if I kill any of them
[17:31] <nshire> pragmaticenigma, the source folder has a space in it so I used quotes around it
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> should be fine
[17:31] <nshire> said no such file or directory
[17:32] <nshire> should the asterisk be inside or outside the quotes?
[17:32] <pragmaticenigma> nshire: you can also use a backslash before the space too
[17:32] <pragmaticenigma> nshire: inside the quotes
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> FreeBDSM: We won't be able to support the beta drivers... though having X running shouldn't affect the installation
[17:33] <FreeBDSM> pragmaticenigma: but it does.
[17:33] <newbsnewbs> Is it safe to CTRL-C during "fsck.vfat -a" when it is auto-renaming bad file names?
[17:34] <FreeBDSM> newbsnewbs: absolutely, if you don't value your data.
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> FreeBDSM: lightdm runs as a system service. you should be able to kill it with systemctrl stop lightdm.server (i think)
[17:34] <nshire> pragmaticenigma, is there anything obvious I'm doing wrong here? https://i.imgur.com/BqZYAuJ.png
[17:34] <FreeBDSM> pragmaticenigma: just lightdm, not lightdm.server
[17:34] <FreeBDSM> but I got the idea, thank you
[17:35] <newbsnewbs> FreeBDSM: lol and eek at the same time.
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> nshire: folder paths are case sensitive in Linux
[17:35] <nshire> just fixed the downloads to Downloads and got the same result
[17:36] <newbsnewbs> I thought fsck.vfat was supposed to write at the end of the checking which is why I asked, in case there was still time.
[17:37] <micha234> I could need some help in troubleshooting my serial port connection :)
[17:37] <pragmaticenigma> nshire: use tab completion to determine the path: ie "/home/neal/Dow{tab}" where {tab} is the TAB key. Then slash, and do the same for the next directory
[17:38] <nshire> weird I can't tab-complete into Downloads. Is it a symlink or something weird like that?
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> what do you mean into?
[17:39] <codecutter> why have all word switch from lower case to upper case when i type something in terminal? to get lower can I have to shift + char (like you do yo get capital)
[17:39] <micha234> maybe because Downloads and Documents are available for tabcomplete?
[17:39] <nshire> ./home/neal/Dow{tab} does not autocomplete
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: Caps lock is turned on
[17:39] <codecutter> no its not
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> nshire: um... don't type {tab} ... that was to indicate when you should press the Tab key
[17:40] <nshire> yeah
[17:40] <codecutter> seem to have gone away
[17:40] <nshire> nothing happens when tab is pressed
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: sometimes toggling gets it unstuck
[17:40] <codecutter> yea
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> nshire: try pressing twice to see if a list of suggestions comes up
[17:41] <codecutter> pragmaticenigma is there a way to copy ssh key to the remote console without introducing errors? (normal copy/paste from local terminal to the webconsole seems tp intyroduce errors)
[17:41] <nshire> mashing tab at /home/neal/ suddenly autofilled it to the correct file. I'm not sure how that happened
[17:42] <newbsnewbs> Hi, My USB stick got borked while copying. It has a "dirty bit", testdisk says it doesn't have a partition and fsck.vfat shows corrupted filenames and maybe other stuff. Should I re-add a partition with testdisk or fsck.vfat first?
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> newbsnewbs: what is meant by "dirty bit"
[17:43] <newbsnewbs> Ubuntu just works for me normally so I am not used to having this problem and a search of the forums didn't help.
[17:43] <nshire> pragmaticenigma, It worked, the backslash space seems to work but quotes don't
[17:43] <blkadder> codecutter: Probably line-breaks.
[17:43] <nshire> thanks
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: you can look at using ssh-copy-id
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: that works if you have username/password access to the remote ssh system
[17:44] <newbsnewbs> pragmaticenigma: I think it means the FS was not properly unmounted (due to the crash)
[17:45] <codecutter> pragmaticenigma Permission denied (publickey).
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: So the server is requiring a pubkey to authenticate already?
[17:49] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: how are you adding the key right now?
[17:50] <codecutter> ssh/authorize_keys file is black.
[17:50] <codecutter> tried adding the key via website (sucurity option) but this method doesn't seem to update that above file
[17:50] <codecutter> the*
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> where is this hosted?
[17:51] <codecutter> digital ocean
[17:51] <codecutter> do's webconsole is a pieace of shit
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> contact digital ocean ... there might be a bug on their end for adding the key
[17:51] <codecutter> i have the
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: please avoid vulgar language and words
[17:51] <codecutter> wankers are probably sleeping
[17:52] <codecutter> sorry
[17:53] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: I'm not sure about the web interface part... I don't have experience with digital ocean
[17:53] <hggdh> codecutter: language, please
[17:53] <codecutter> i been told off by pragmaticenigma, relax
[17:54] <codecutter> i don't swear. its not in my nature
[17:54] <codecutter> usually*
[17:54] <hggdh> codecutter: but not here, please
[17:54] <codecutter> are we not all adults, here?
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: actually no
[17:55] <hggdh> codecutter: please follow the rules of the channel
[17:55] <petro> use ubuntu if you want freezes and crashes
[17:55] <codecutter> well, you will be surprise what these kida nowadays get up too
[17:55] <hggdh> petro: keep on topic, please
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> petro: that is not a constructive comment, please do not post that here.
[17:55] <codecutter> kids*
[17:55] <petro> codecutter, ubuntu 18.04 sucks
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> codecutter: okay, let's stick to the topic at hand
[17:56] <petro> my computer freezes every day because of this pos os
[17:56] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | petro
[17:56] <petro> when i have time, I'll install debian on that partition
[17:56] <jennie> i dont understand, why copying rate from one drive to another drive, HDD 3.5 inch sata is always slow in ubuntu as compare to windows :S
[17:56] <jennie> only 7MB/s
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> petro: you need to stop. If you do not have a support question, then please be quiet or leave
[17:57] <petro> jennie, because ubuntu is slow and buggy
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> petro: STOP
[17:57] <petro> my question is how to stop freezes
[17:57] <Pugabyte> How do I stop ubuntu 18.04 from reordering the windows of the same application to the most recently used being on top on the dock?
[17:57] <jennie> which OS to use? please advise for better copying rate?
[17:57] <petro> jennie, debian
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | petro is not following community guidelines and being disruptive to others seeking help
[17:57] <jennie> i cant wait 2 weeks, lots of data to copy, like 5TB
[17:57] <newbsnewbs> jennie: is the drive NTFS formatted?
[17:57] <jennie> newbsnewbs: yes
[17:58] <newbsnewbs> jennie: I can across that bug and am trying to remember how I fixed it. Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: to write to NTFS in linux, requires several layers to translate the bits to the ntfs format. that means the data has to pass through the CPU for the conversion
[17:59] <jennie> so if I use other distro, will it still be same?
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[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: You will experience the same result
[17:59] <jennie> ok, i guess, I will have to wait
[18:00] <micha234> is there a way to verify my serial port is working properly for incoming connections? not able to connect via serial cable or usb2serial cable at all
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: there are some mounting options, that may help if you are familiar with mounting drive in the CLI
[18:01] <jennie> like how?
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> newbsnewbs: where you thinking of the "big_writes" option during mount?
[18:01] <jennie> can you please teach me
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: do you know which block device is the NTFS drive?
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: like /dev/sdc1 or something similar?
[18:02] <newbsnewbs> pragmaticenigma: I think so.
[18:03] <newbsnewbs> pragmaticenigma: and an almost full HDD.
[18:03] <jennie> yes
[18:03] <jennie> wait I will tell you
[18:04] <jennie> so i have two HDD, one is 2TB and other is 5TB, you want block device information for both of them
[18:04] <epios> Hey all, I am using Ubuntu 18.04 but I still face the bluetooth error? Within the gnome menu it says, its turned off. When I turn it on, it still says "turned off". I ve thought its the bug which gots fixed within the 4.0.31 kernel (https://github.com/jeremyb31/newbtfix-4.15.git) but it does not seems to be.
[18:04] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: can you run this command for me and post the link it gives you "df | pastebinit -P"
[18:05] <jennie> ok
[18:06] <jmadero1> what is pastebinit?
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> jmadero1: it is a program that automatically can paste files to "paste.ubuntu.com" we use it here to paste multiple lines of text to avoid flooding the chat room with text
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> !paste
[18:07] <jmadero1> pragmaticenigma: I know about paste.ubuntu.com, didn't know there was a way to auto-paste, that's handy
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> !info pastebinit
[18:08] <jennie> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vsm3zpGHQf/
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> jmadero1: it may not be installed by default, but it is very handy for getting help here
[18:09] <epios> Does anybody know how to handle the bluetooth issue without reinstalling and older version? I am using offical 18.04, new updates and bluetooth is working on that laptop with other distros :/
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: you are trying to move from the drive ending in 2080 to drive ending in F472 ?
[18:10] <jennie> pragmaticenigma: thats correct
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: okay, stop any activity on the drive (stop copy or anything writting to the disk)
[18:12] <jennie> done
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: then start with "sudo umount /media/s/766666537E61F472"
[18:12] <jennie> done
[18:13] <jennie> oh wait, its still blinking the cursor in the terminal :)
[18:13] <phocean> hi
[18:14] <epios> hi
[18:14] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: that means something might still be holding on to the drive
[18:14] <pragmaticenigma> are these drives external or internal?
[18:14] <phocean> I feel something is missing in my Gnome setup: is there something that notifies for available updates?
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: usually yes, though you may have automatic updates enabled, which would mean updates are being handled for you
[18:15] <phocean> I have some new updates available (apt list --upgradable), but nothing showed up
[18:15] <jennie> internal 3.5inch SATA connected on MOBO
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: do you have unattended updates active?
[18:16] <jennie> but i can disconnect it easily as cabinet door is open
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: okay... make sure any file dialog windows are closed. Before you do, in the file manager you may need to right click on select unmount from there.
[18:16] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, it seems that not
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: internal SATA is not hot swappable on many mobo... don't unplug when it's live
[18:16] <jennie> file is not showing it as mounted, its already unmounted in file manager, but terminal is still blinkig
[18:16] <phocean> so, I understand, the new approach is that it updates automatically without notifying the user
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: hit enter a couple times to see if the prompt comes back
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: if it is configured to do so, yes
[18:17] <jennie> no, just empty, no prompt
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> thats odd
[18:17] <epios> Is this really the actual state of the well known bluetooth issue within ubuntu 18.04?! https://askubuntu.com/questions/1050304/bluetooth-is-not-working-ubuntu-18-04-lts
[18:17] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, is that the default ?
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: I'm uncertain
[18:18] <jennie> ok i closed terminal and ran command again, and it saying that ' not mounted'
[18:18] <jennie> so I guess  its unmounted
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: well lets try this then...
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: followed with "sudo mkdir /media/s/put_stuff_here && sudo mount -o big_writes /media/s/put_stuff_here /dev/sda1"
[18:19] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, I enabled livepatch, maybe that's why
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: yes, if you have live patch enabled, I believe it activates unattended upgrades
[18:20] <jennie> mount:  /media/s/put_stuff_here is not a block device
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: my apologies... i think I have something swapped
[18:21] <jennie> is the result
[18:21] <jennie> no problem :-)
[18:21] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, I understand. Thanks :-)
[18:22] <Nokaji> on 18.04 - can I stop it tiling windows every time I inadvertently move my mouse somewhere?
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: use "sudo mount -o big_writes /dev/sda1 /media/s/put_stuff_here"
[18:24] <jennie> Failed to write lock '/dev/sda1': Resource temporarily unavailable Error opening '/dev/sda1': Resource temporarily unavailable Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Resource temporarily unavailable
[18:24] <jennie> should I reconnect?
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: what would you be reconnecting?
[18:27] <jennie> pragmaticenigma: sata 4tb hdd>
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: did you unplug it?
[18:27] <Nokaji> I knew my question was too hard
[18:27] <debouncer> if I install an application by using .deb package, will I update it manually by downloading each newer version from its offical website or apt-get update will be enough?
[18:27] <jennie> no
[18:27] <jennie> i am doing now
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: no, don't unplug it
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> not with the machine running
[18:28] <jennie> done now
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[18:28] <jennie> i am waiting on it to show up in file manager.
[18:28] <jennie> its there in file manager, and mounted automatically
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> debouncer: that depends how the .deb configures it's install... Google Chrome .deb adds an entry to apt sources to auto update in the future. many do not
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: I think at this point it's best to leave things as they were... i don't know what's going on and I feel it's too great a risk for data loss
[18:29] <jennie> I dont have data in 4tb
[18:29] <debouncer> alright
[18:29] <jennie> pragmaticenigma: i have data in 2tb, as long as 2tb is fine, i dont mind playing around,
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> Nokaji: It's not that the question being too hard... it's not understanding the question to begin with
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> Nokaji: if you can post a link to a screen grab, or picture of what you are seeing
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> jennie: the problem now is i don't know what state anything is in. the drive assignments were changed when the drive was unplugged
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> i've also got to head out here
[18:31] <jennie> ok
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> there are others here that are much better at dealing with the mounts and unmounts... something happened when attempting to unmount the drive that I don't know how to trouble shoot... when those commands fail, the ramifications are too great for me to feel comfortable continuing
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> I'd have this solved in a second if I had access to the machine, which just isn't possible
[18:33] <jennie> ok, i understand, thank you very much :)
[18:36] <Nokaji> pragmaticenigma: okay,thanks for the feedback
[18:37] <BluesKaj> +
[18:39] <Toyo> Is this message a Thing to worry about while upgrading 16.04 to 18.04 with do-release-upgrade?
[18:39] <Toyo> No valid sources.list entry found
[18:39] <Toyo> While scanning your repository information no entry about xenial
[18:39] <Toyo> could be found.
[18:39] <jmadero1> it's always better to just fresh install - I don't get why anyone running Linux would rely on upgrading which carries various risks
[18:40] <jmadero1> separating home folder from root folder makes the task a 20-30 minute process at most
[18:44] <Toyo> is there a backup of sources.list anywhere in 16.04?
[18:47] <memphisto> hi, upgading from 16.04 to 18.04 kubuntu
[18:48] <memphisto> i have these two messages : installed grub-efi-amd64-signed package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[18:48] <memphisto> installed shim-signed package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[18:49] <memphisto> should i be worried
[18:52] <mustmodify> my /etc/boot often fills up, then I get errors on `apt-get install`, etc, and I have to "sudo apt autoremove" to clear it out. Which is fine, at least there's a process. But it surprises me that I need to do that... everything else seems to take care of itself. Is my system configured improperly?
[18:54] <mustmodify> sorry, /boot not /etc/boot
[18:54] <memphisto> mustmodify: how big is your boot
[18:56] <mustmodify> 473 MB
[18:56] <mustmodify> which seems oddly arbitrary. My / is 213G.
[18:57] <memphisto> what does  ll /boot say
[18:57] <tomreyn> not arbitrary. it's the maximum capacity of the file system on 0.5 GB partition
[18:58] <tomreyn> it is also not much / not enough for /boot nowadays
[18:59] <tomreyn> actually, it can be, i take that back
[19:03] <memphisto> mustmodify_: you probaly have too many older kernels there
[19:03] <memphisto> you need to clean it up
[19:04] <lord_daemon> can someone tell me what is the right package that I should install for the thunar icons to appear. I do not want to install other window managers to do this.
[19:05] <brainwash> lord_daemon: thunar icons?
[19:06] <brainwash> like, picture/video thumbnails?
[19:09] <mustmodify_> memphisto: that's exactly what's happening. But my question is why I'm having to take care of that. It seems like everything else cleans itself up.
[19:09] <blackflow> lord_daemon: please don't crosspost with #debian at the same time
[19:09] <ioria> mustmodify_, why you say that ?
[19:12] <lord_daemon> brainwash https://imgur.com/a/zhMuyVN
[19:15] <brainwash> lord_daemon: you probably need the package gnome-icon-theme-full (or adwaita-icon-theme-full)
[19:19] <lord_daemon> brainwash i'm using fluxbox
[19:21] <ioria> lord_daemon, do you have a  .gtkrc-2.0 file ?
[19:22] <mustmodify_> well, as I said, it seems like most things just .... take care of themselves.
[19:22] <mustmodify_> I don't have to check on cron.
[19:22] <mustmodify_> Or ... the file system. I guess it defrags itself.
[19:23] <ioria> sure
[19:23] <lord_daemon> ioria nopz
[19:23] <mustmodify_> So I'm asking ... why does it get into a bad state? Is there something I can do to make it "just work"?
[19:23] <mustmodify_> Again, I don't know, it may be there's a good reason. If so, I'd like to understand.
[19:24] <ioria> lord_daemon,  .gtkrc  ?
[19:25] <lord_daemon> ioria yep /usr/share/themes/Raleigh/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[19:25] <ioria> lord_daemon,   install lxappearance and logout/in
[19:26] <lord_daemon> about thunar, I found just that:/usr/share/doc/Thunar-1.6.11/README.gtkrc
[19:28] <guntbert> !kernelcleanup | mustmodify_
[19:32] <madLyfe> i have a dual boot setup of win and ubuntu currently, each OS has its own SSD, i was wondering if i can just install kubuntu along side ubuntu?
[19:37] <madLyfe> i guess i just want kubuntu but i may want to also add KDE-Neon along side that later so better to understand adding another nix os anyways..
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> madLyfe: #kubuntu to the rescue
[19:45] <madLyfe> im already there but id imagine the procedure is the same across ubuntu flavors. also i have ubuntu installed currently.
[19:45] <Xard> seems like nautilus doesn't quite like it if you update the desktop background image in use
[20:00] <Hobbyboy7> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> Xard: screenshot?
[20:05] <Kuwanger> Awesome.  11GB buff/cache, 1GB free, and the oom is killing thing.
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> Kuwanger: can we help you?
[20:07] <Kuwanger> Doubt it.  Apparently my system has decided that buff/cache is critical and to just start killing everything to make room for it. :/
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> Kuwanger: wich system is that, ubuntu version, whats happening when?
[20:10] <Kuwanger> xubuntu 18.04.  Backing up to a misbehaving (had to disable uas and then it later timed out) usb 3.0 hdd with rsync.
[20:13] <Kuwanger> Going to reboot to see if that helps.. :/
[20:13] <SlowJimmy> I pressed "apt-get upgrade" button and now samba doesnt work anymore
[20:14] <SlowJimmy> this is on a brand new ubuntu
[20:15] <lotuspsychje> SlowJimmy: system up to date to latest? cause there was a recent samba security flaw
[20:15] <SlowJimmy> yes but the latest upgrade failed because of the samba
[20:15] <SlowJimmy> so maybe delete samba for now?
[20:15] <lotuspsychje> SlowJimmy: uname -a please?
[20:15] <SlowJimmy> and maybe reinstall at a later time?
[20:16] <SlowJimmy> ok hand on
[20:16] <LinuxTabletUser> How to Install XChat on Ubuntu 18.04?
[20:16] <lotuspsychje> !xchat | LinuxTabletUser
[20:16] <LinuxTabletUser> Thx
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> !info hexchat | LinuxTabletUser
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> Kuwanger: try installing preload also, clean your system with bleachbit
[20:25] <memphisto> just upgraded from kubuntu 16.04 to kubuntu 18.04; i have really, really long boot
[20:25] <memphisto> Startup finished in 4.270s (kernel) + 1min 18.645s (userspace) = 1min 22.916s
[20:26] <memphisto> how to speed i tup
[20:27] <ikonia> where is the time being lost ?
[20:27] <memphisto> ikonia : it seems its docker.service @44.050s +34.582s
[20:28] <memphisto> these 3 are the biggest
[20:28] <memphisto>          34.582s docker.service
[20:28] <memphisto>          19.292s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[20:28] <memphisto>          18.429s dev-sda4.device
[20:28] <ubuntu> Hi
[20:28] <memphisto> jm
[20:28] <Kuwanger> lotuspsychje: Not sure what preload would do, and this installation is literally less than a week old.
[20:29] <memphisto> ikonia: actually all times are above 10s
[20:29] <Guest64877> im So writing On Ubuntu 18.04+Hexchatü
[20:29] <Guest64877> im So writing On Ubuntu 18.04+Hexchat
[20:30] <project80> Hi, am dualbooting with windows 7, which is already installed, the / partition for ubuntu is logical, not primary, right?
[20:30] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | Kuwanger
[20:31] <Guest64877> try to boot-repair
[20:31] <Kuwanger> lotuspsychje: No, I mean how that would help with the oom killer deciding to kill things for no reason.
[20:31] <Kuwanger> lotuspsychje: This system's root is an ssd, anyways.  Little advantage to preload.
[20:31] <Guest64877> reinstall os
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> Kuwanger: every tweak can help overall system
[20:33] <lunaticedit> is there a way to default an audio device? I have to keep changing the output device every reboot
[20:33] <Kuwanger> lotuspsychje: If the issue was things were slow to load things, but what you suggest really makes no sense in context.
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> lunaticedit: try testing with pavucontrol perhaps
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | project80
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> Kuwanger: how much ram do you have?
[20:37] <Kuwanger> lotuspsychje: 16GB
[20:38] <lotuspsychje> Kuwanger: so and your system behaves crazy only on rsync then?
[20:39] <Kuwanger> lotuspsychje: Well, since it's only been a week since I've had 18.04, this is the first time I've tried to rsync.  Or tried backing up to a usb hdd.  I do know under 14.04 a few weeks before I had no such issues, but that was with a xenial kernel.
[20:40] <lotuspsychje> Kuwanger: sounds like a kernel issue mate
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> Kuwanger: something like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1655842
[20:41] <Kuwanger> lotuspsychje: Well, given the oom killer is in the kernel, that's rather obvious.  Hence why this whole discussion started with "Doubt [you can help]."
[20:41] <Kuwanger> Actually was using the 4.4.0-x line (xenial) with 14.04 so I doubt that specific bug is it. :/
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> Kuwanger: wich kernal are you currently on?
[20:42] <Kuwanger> 4.15.0-32-generic
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats up to date ok
[20:43] <Kuwanger> lotuspsychje: Well, before the reboot I was on 4.15.0-30-generic.  So, one thing will see if (unlikely) this new kernel fixes things.
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> ah
[20:44] <bane500> Anyone know how I can change the hostname/netbios name without restarting? When looking things up, I see 8 million ways to do it. I figured I'd ask you guys for a more concrete answer
[20:46] <LinuxTabletUser> Bios is Updated?
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> !info earlyoom | Kuwanger try this maybe
[20:47] <lotuspsychje> !hostname | bane500
[20:48] <lotuspsychje> Kuwanger: if this issue persist on you consider a new !bug
[20:49] <Kuwanger> lotuspsychje: I definitely will.  It's clearly absurd for the oom to be invoked when 11GB of ram are available. :/
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> Kuwanger: surely on 16g ram..
[20:55] <myth0d21> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[20:57] <pragmaticenigma> mustmodify_: I don't know if someone was able to answer your question. the reason that /boot does not automatically get old kernels removed, is when installing new kernels, you need someone to fall back on in case of failure. The problem is, it is very difficult to determine which kernels are safe to remove automatically. also, what the user would want removed automatically. all distros for a long time have simply left the
[20:57] <pragmaticenigma> older kernels in place (it's also only more recent that kernel updates are more frequent, so efforts are being made to help with auto clean up.
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> mustmodify_: if you run "sudo apt autoremove" regularly, you shouldn't have any issues.
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> mustmodify_: it's just that the tool needs a human to say it's okay to remove the old kernels
[21:01] <memphisto> k
[21:02] <memphisto> ikonia: i've managed to trim down a bit boot time but still its over 1min
[21:02] <memphisto> Startup finished in 4.241s (kernel) + 1min 4.809s (userspace) = 1min 9.051s
[21:02] <Turbo-Folker> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> memphisto: i have a current systemd bug for bionic feel free to take a look
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> memphisto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1742063
[21:04] <memphisto> lotuspsychje: thanks, looking into it right now
[21:04] <elichai2> Hey
[21:04] <lotuspsychje> memphisto: is it slow from boot==>login or login==>desktop?
[21:04] <lotuspsychje> elichai2: welcome to ubuntu support, how can we help you?
[21:05] <elichai2> Weird thing, I ran `apt upgrade` and it hangs on `Setting up linux-headers-4.15.0-33-generic (4.15.0-33.36) ...` for more than half an hour
[21:05] <elichai2> lotuspsychje: lol thanks
[21:05] <tomreyn> memphisto: which ubuntu release is this? take a look at "systemd-analyze" with the "critical-chain" and "blame" options
[21:05] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: <memphisto> just upgraded from kubuntu 16.04 to kubuntu 18.04; i have really, really long boot
[21:06] <memphisto> tomreyn: thanks. i already did, and remove services that i don't use and now i'm down by 20secs but still over 1min to loaded theskto
[21:06] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: docker takes the longest
[21:06] <memphisto> lotuspsychje: yes, and now          17.003s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[21:06] <memphisto>          14.180s x2goserver.service
[21:06] <memphisto>          14.179s dev-sda4.device
[21:06] <tomreyn> elichai2: maybe /boot has run full (does "df -h /boot" report "100%"?) or is not writable ("mount | grep boot", look for 'ro' or 'rw')
[21:07] <memphisto> tomreyn: i've edited NetworkManager-wait-online.service where i've set timeout to 15secs
[21:08] <memphisto> tomreyn: i really curious why sda4 (my / partiton , 81G) takes that long
[21:09] <tomreyn> memphisto: which command is this partial output form? can you post the full out post of these commands to a pastebin?
[21:09] <memphisto> its from blaem
[21:09] <memphisto> sure
[21:10] <memphisto> tomreyn: and here is the output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wtr5GjJYgw/
[21:11] <elichai2> tomreyn: my /boot is on root but efi: `/dev/nvme0n1p1  254M  4.6M  249M   2% /boot/efi`
[21:12] <tomreyn> elichai2: so maybe / is running full?
[21:12] <elichai2> nope, `/dev/nvme0n1p2  461G  250G  188G  58% /`
[21:13] <tomreyn> memphisto: it's possible that sda4 was undergoing a file system check during boot, increasing the overall boot time
[21:13] <tomreyn> memphisto: is this old / slow hardware?
[21:14] <memphisto> tomreyn: i didn't get fsck on 16.04 but i think it brings the message in plymouth in a blink of an eye that is doing it , but i can't be sure
[21:15] <tomreyn> elichai2: setting up the headers should definitely not take longer than 1 or 2 minutes
[21:15] <elichai2> tomreyn: it's still stuck....
[21:15] <memphisto> tomreyn: it's more than 5 yrs old
[21:15] <tomreyn> elichai2: run "dmesg", see if there are error messages
[21:15] <tomreyn> elichai2: you can post it online if you like, so we can take a look: dmesg -T | pastebinit
[21:16] <elichai2> tomreyn: doesn't see anything relevant, bunch of wifi stuff, is it safe to patebin it?
[21:16] <elichai2> ok :)
[21:16] <elichai2> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jx2RVtQhW9/
[21:17] <tomreyn> memphisto: i'd look into why the network takes so long to start up, not just reduce the timout there.
[21:18] <memphisto> lotuspsychje: tomreyn: i'm on cable, so wouldn't know why so much time, but it could be that its like lotuspsychje said, some bug
[21:18] <tomreyn> memphisto: instead of postfix you could also use ssmtp or nullmailer in case you only need to send mail through a remote system.
[21:19] <elichai2> tomreyn: googoling it make me thinks it's related to Nvidia drivers, but I don't want to move to Nouveau and everything worked fine on 16.04 and 17.10
[21:20] <tomreyn> elichai2: you should install the pending updates indeed, this kernel is a old. i understadn thats what you're currently trying to do.
[21:21] <elichai2> tomreyn: that's weird, running `uname -r` returned `4.15.18-041518-generic` but it looks like right now it's trying to install `linux-headers-4.15.0-33-generic` isn't this older? WHAT
[21:22] <elichai2> ok. now I start remembering stuff :) My current Kernel is from upstream *sweat smile* I installed it a while ago(when I was on 17.10) because my touchpad wasn't supported
[21:28] <tomreyn> elichai2: the slow network startup may be due to docker. look at line 957 of the dmesg output. other than that it looks ok.
[21:28] <elichai2> tomreyn: slow network startup?
[21:29] <tomreyn> elichai2: oh wait i mixed you up with memphisto there, slow network startup is not an issue for you. and i dont see issues with the nvme
[21:29] <elichai2> tomreyn: ok
[21:32] <tomreyn> elichai2: so i'm not sure why installing the headers is stuck. one more reason might be that you don't run fstrim on it (by default this runs once a week). you can run sudo fstrim -v /
[21:33] <elichai2> I never changed such settings but I'll run now (how much time this can take?)
[21:34] <tomreyn> elichai2: less then a minute
[21:34] <project80> Hi, am dualbooting with windows 7, which is already installed, the / partition for ubuntu is logical, not primary, right?
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[21:35] <elichai2> tomreyn: yep, finished, retrying now :) `/: 211.2 GiB (226746728448 bytes) trimmed`
[21:35] <tomreyn> project80: doesnt matter
[21:35] <tomreyn> elichai2: oh my
[21:35] <project80> tomreyn, then why do they ask?
[21:35] <elichai2> huh. actually I ctrl+z it before and then ran `sudo dpkg -a --configure` and it worked. I thought it failed but it actually worked so now there's nothing to install. weird.
[21:35] <elichai2> tomreyn: what?
[21:35] <tomreyn> project80: what am i asking?
[21:37] <elichai2> btw. I don't get how Ubuntu still uses 4.15.0 like I installed 4.15.18 from upstream way before 18.04 was out and it's still a more "recent" version
[21:37] <project80> tomreyn, nothing, go back to sleep.
[21:37] <tomreyn> elichai2: i dont know how large your nvme is but apparently fstrim didnt run for a good while there, meaning the nvme could only operate on total_capacity - 211.2GB of its stroage for a while now.
[21:38] <tomreyn> project80: looks like you mixed me up with someone
[21:38] <elichai2> tomreyn: it's 461GB (512), how can I make sure that fstrim will run as schedueled? where is it supposed to be schedueled at?
[21:38] <project80> tomreyn, sure.
[21:40] <Andrew_Shay> Hello. I have an ubuntu 16.04 install on Vultr. Looking to see if I can free up some space. I just run some python scripts and a static site on this box. Do any of these folders look too large?  /lib 6GB  -- /usr 4.2GB -- /boot 1.4GB
[21:40] <tomreyn> elichai2: which ubuntu release is this?
[21:40] <elichai2> 18.04
[21:40] <elichai2> or KDE-Plasma if that's what you meant
[21:42] <tomreyn> elichai2: what's NEXT and LAST on this output?: systemctl list-timers fstrim.timer
[21:43] <elichai2> NEXT: Mon 2018-08-20 00:00:00 IDT LAST: Tue 2018-08-14 23:02:06 IDT
[21:44] <tomreyn> elichai2: okay so it's setup to run on the file systems, but it may not end up on the raw disk. do you have device mapper managed block devices? sudo dmsetup ls
[21:46] <elichai2> tomreyn: btw on 14.08 I upgrade to 18.04 so maybe this ran before that and why it was so bad
[21:47] <elichai2> tomreyn: dmsetup: `No devices found`
[21:47] <elichai2> (14.08 = 08/14)
[21:48] <tomreyn> elichai2: it's also possible that you just moved around much data recently.
[21:48] <backnforth> Hi, will someone help me install the drivers for the Asus ac55r. I found the drivers here: https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/USBAC55/HelpDesk_Download/ but it won't compile for my ubuntu 16.04 machine. When I go to run the first command to build (make), I get the following message:
[21:48] <backnforth> ake[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-headers-4.15.0-32-generic'
[21:48] <backnforth> Makefile:1794: recipe for target 'modules' failed
[21:48] <elichai2> yeah if it happened before the upgrading it might be it otherwise I don't think so. maybe I'll put a reminder to rerun this in 2-3 weeks and see if it's still that bad
[21:49] <tomreyn> elichai2: what does this return (you may need to install hdparm first of all)? sudo hdparm -I /dev/nvme0n1 | grep -i TRIM
[21:50] <elichai2> tomreyn: ` HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device`
[21:51] <tomreyn> elichai2: maybe i got the block device name wrong. ls /dev/nvme*
[21:52] <tomreyn> elichai2: actually it would be good to run "sudo fstrim -v /" again now, just to see whether it actually made a difference and there is only a little bit of data to be trimmed now.
[21:52] <elichai2> tomreyn: no you didn't I checked both /dev/nvme0n1 and lsblk
[21:52] <elichai2> tomreyn: yep `/: 2.3 GiB (2428182528 bytes) trimmed`
[21:53] <tomreyn> elichai2: so this looks like false alarm on my end. maybe you want to run fstrim more often, you will see...
[21:54] <tomreyn> also have a look for firmware upgrades for ths nvme
[21:54] <elichai2> I will, the problem is most updates are for windows :(
[21:54] <tomreyn> elichai2: well, you can run that from a usb as well nowadays
[21:54] <maso11> Hi. Im trying to hook up a thinkpad to an old vga monitor (screen is destroyed heh)
[21:55] <maso11> Hookedit up, accidentally click on 'external display' bc I thought That was the correct way
[21:56] <elichai2> tomreyn: you're right. btw how can I check the drive model if `hdparm` doesn't work
[21:56] <maso11> Ok so I turn it on, I can login and see via the monitor, but after that, it goes back to laptop display
[21:56] <maso11> Which I cannot see
[21:56] <maso11> How do I switch the display back to the external vga monitor ?
[21:56] <tomreyn> backnforth: the download says "Support OS: Linux kernel 2.6.24~4.7"
[21:57] <maso11> :/ I'm pressing every key I can think of and googling
[21:57] <tomreyn> elichai2: smartctl has nvme support for some models now. but i had expected hdparm to work, so not sure.
[21:58] <maso11> hey tomreyn, do you have any guesses? I'm trying fn  + f7
[21:58] <tomreyn> elichai2: use nvme-cli
[22:00] <tomreyn> maso11: maybe ask in ##hardware or in ##thinkpad (not sure the latter exists)
[22:01] <maso11> Ok thank you so much bro
[22:01] <tomreyn> maso11: if you can access + see the bios / uefi setup utility, there may be an option for setting the primary display to be external.
[22:02] <maso11> tomreyn: problem is it never shows that part of the boot process
[22:02] <maso11> monitor goes straight to login
[22:03] <tomreyn> maso11: dunno then, better ask in a channel which is into this hardware.
[22:03] <elichai2> tomreyn: yep, `nvme list` worked
[22:04] <maso11> Thanks bro
[22:08] <aloo_shu> del or F2 during boot are the most common keys for bringing up the bios/uefi setup, maso11 , and before setting the default monitor, consider that you may also make it more difficult to get the setup screen. Google <your brand> setup  boot key (or similar)
[22:08] <elichai2> tomreyn: thanks!
[22:09] <tomreyn> elichai2, maso11: you're welcome
[22:09] <Thaeri> on HP laptops, it might be F10
[22:11] <tomreyn> backnforth: usually someone takes those vendor provided drivers and patches them to become compatible to newer kernels, then those patched drivers may be distributed by linux distributions
[22:12] <tomreyn> backnforth: i'd suggest you identify your chipset (lspci -nnkA4 | grep -i wireless)
[22:12] <Thaeri> speaking of nothing... is there a good way of either fine-tuning Redshift or make F-lux still work on 18.04? Xubuntu to be more exact?
[22:12] <tomreyn> backnforth: i'd suggest you identify your chipset (lspci -nnk | grep -iA4 wireless)
[22:12] <tomreyn> ^ the second one, sorry
[22:14] <tomreyn> Thaeri: maybe ask in #xubuntu
[22:15] <Thaeri> tomreyn that channel seems pretty inactive
[22:16] <tomreyn> Thaeri: based on you not writing anything there?
[22:17] <Thaeri> and it seems to be a *buntu thing as F.lux didn't work very well in the main DE when I tried either
[22:17] <Thaeri> or in Mint...
[22:17] <Thaeri> MATE and Xfce
[22:17] <Thaeri> Redshift works, it
[22:18] <Thaeri> is just that there is only "on" and "off"
[22:18] <Thaeri> no fine-tining whatsoever
[22:18] <Thaeri> that I can find
[22:18] <Thaeri> is there?
[22:19] <qwebirc42866> Hey all, does anyone have bind running on 18.04? I seem to be missing something trying to get it setup. It was working fine on 16.04
[22:24] <tomreyn> qwebirc42866: what makes you think bind is "missing something trying to get it setup"
[22:26] <qwebirc42866> I installed bind, configured it to use a forwarder and allow recursion, but when i dig any domain name against the server, it seems to only use the root hints. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6tSxkqHgVQ/
[22:28] <qwebirc42866> install and enable forwarding is the only thing i've done, named.conf.options here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xbGfPDcRMs/
[22:40] <tomreyn> looks ok to me on a quick glance, but it won't work with request s from a different network/subnet.
[22:43] <Thaeri> nice of Pidgin to crash, not... Let's see if Hexchat works better :)
[22:52] <Delvien> Thaeri:  Irssi or bust  :P
[22:52] <thunderrd18> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[23:03] <kamkran> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[23:03] <Delvien> Cant wait till that meme is dead.
[23:05] <Stek_Turku> hi all
[23:05] <Stek_Turku> on my 64 bit notebook i have installed a 32 bit 16.04 lts (root partition and home partition are different). Can i install xubuntu 18.04 lts 64 bit over the previous 32 bit? can i use the same home partition? what does it happen on my dara and my 32 bit progscalready installed?
[23:06] <last1> are there known issues with the ixgb driver in Ubuntu ?
[23:07] <xerf> hello
[23:08] <xerf> I'm having an odd issue w/gnome...i have dual monitors w/multi-monitor add on, but after a little while of logging into gnome, the overview display will show multi monitors for my primary display, but the second one is just a blank bar
[23:16] <xerf> Stek_Turku:  you shouldn't lose data in your /home directory, but I think you might need to reinstall using the 64-bit one
[23:16] <issyl027> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[23:29] <leonardus> What is the default PDF reader in 18.04?
[23:29] <endojelly> Is upgrading from 16.04 LTS enabled yet?
[23:30] <krytarik> endojelly: Yes.
[23:31] <endojelly> Great, thanks.
[23:31] <endojelly> Let's do it then.
[23:32] <krytarik> leonardus: If you mean Ubuntu proper, then Evince.
[23:37] <l4z4i> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk
[23:40] <Stek_Turku> leonardus: on xubuntu is atril (from mate)
[23:40] <Slade28> LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk