[00:00] pragmaticenigma: How do I find the kernels in package manager? [00:00] what do I use for a search? [00:00] Bilbo: Did the command that Bashing-om work or not? [00:00] I already told you I can view no new webpages [00:01] Bilbo: There wasn't a web link... you're clearly not engaged in this enough to receive help. I'm done [00:01] I id a debootstrap install of ubuntu from debian and things have gone okay so far but I'm getting a very curious message "warning: root device /dev/disk/by-partlabel/Root does not exist. I searched the error but didn't find much that relevant to ubuntu/my situation [00:02] do I just need to create that folder or is there a bigger issue I should be addressing here? [00:02] Toadisattva: This channel can only support offical Ubuntu installs using the install media provided by the Ubuntu website. You will have to find another source for assistance, possibly #linux [00:03] pragmaticenigma: I have read every single word you wrote to me a second time, I still don't see any instructions other than view X website or google y. [00:03] okay thanks [00:04] Bilbo: You didn't read carefully enough. Bashing-om sent you a command to try. You aren't paying close enough attention. This is a delicate matter and I'm not going to be responsbile for you bricking your computer. I'm done trying to help. [00:05] pragmaticenigma: oops, missed bashings send [00:06] Bashing-om: what is "consistenet"? consistent? What is "Consistent state"? Also I already said I have no space on root partition, will that be a problem for this command? [00:08] If you got no space on root its likely apt won't even run [00:09] Bilbo: consusyent in that the package manager is not brike 0 no space may be an issye .. try the connabd and see if the package manager tells you " no space on device" . [00:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM [00:18] Bilbo: correct my typing " consusyent in that the package manager is not brike 0 no space may be an issye .. try the [00:19] Bilbo: consistent in that the package manager is not broke - no space may be an issue .. try the connabd and see if the package manager tells you " no space on device" . [00:19] command and see if the package manager tells you " no space on device". === radice is now known as radice|Work [00:31] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM [00:32] tomreyn, are you in? [00:33] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM [00:34] I believe tomreyn is sleeping at this hour... BlackDalek [00:35] pragmaticenigma, what is tomreyn's timezone? [00:35] BlackDalek: I have no idea, they are generally not around at this time of day. I made an assumption they are sleeping [00:35] pragmaticenigma, I see [00:39] how do I view ownership of files and folders from command line? [00:40] ls -l [00:40] BlackDalek: "ls -lo" [00:43] pragmaticenigma, I was trying the -l or -lo switch but wasn't getting any results I think because the logged in user doesn't have permission. But I worked it out now, I needed to add the -a switch to see the files [00:45] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM [00:45] or rather.. all the files in the directory are hidden [00:45] if nothing happens, there's no error [00:46] in this case, if no results returned, there's no files to show at all [00:46] yep [00:48] in this case, the files I wanted to see were .hidden files - the user error was not doing "ls -lo -a" ;) [00:49] BlackDalek: A handy tip... the single letter arguments can be issued together... i.e. "ls -l -o -a" is the same as "ls -loa" [00:49] pragmaticenigma, that's a handy tip. I always forget [00:51] Does anyone know of a screenshot app that can open a dialogue to input metadata like a description after the screenshot is taken? [00:52] pragmaticenigma: cheese does not detect my micrscope at all [00:52] jennie: that would mean that the microscope is unlikely to be support in Linux. [00:52] ok :( [00:53] what does it take to make driver for it? [00:54] jennie: From the documentation on the page, it appeared to make heavy use of MS Windows features to operate. You may find help searching the web for the model number of the microscope and using the keyword linux or Ubuntu. [00:55] tomreyn: thanks, old installer much better & easier, not the frustrating pita of the live server iso [00:56] nacc: tnx 2u as well [00:56] jennie: My initial searches show a lot of homebrew attempts but nothing successful [00:57] ok thanks for searching :) [01:00] yo [01:04] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM [01:08] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM [01:11] Bashing-om: How do I "try the connabd"? Will lack of space also bust uninstall? Can I uninstall with zero space on root partition? [01:15] Bilbo: That was me not paying attention to what I was typing. do in terminal ' sudo apt autoremove ' and if pronolems paste the output in a pastebin site. [01:16] problems* [01:21] Hi [01:29] I have a question related to an open source security camera, there are a bunch of apps that support this camera, hootoo ht-ip206, the cd comes with iSpy for Windows but the iSpy but shinobi cctv lists the camera fine [01:29] how do I connect the camera to my wifi [01:29] so I can add it to the software [01:29] even iSpy in wine works fine but no matter what I use, it assumes its connected to my wifi [01:32] rabbitnightmare: how is this camera open source? === philuk81_2 is now known as philuk86 [01:33] What's the best approach to creating an Ubuntu 18.04 based distro? [01:39] Helenah: maybe this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization [01:39] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM [01:40] tomreyn: its hootoo they make all their hardware open source [01:41] Helenah: pinguy builder [01:42] I like pinguy builder because it works for more than just Ubuntu, its actually distro inspecific [01:42] https://fosspost.org/tutorials/create-linux-distribution-based-on-ubuntu [01:43] rabbitnightmare: i can't seem to find any source code, just https://pierrekim.github.io/blog/2017-03-08-camera-goahead-0day.html - which i guess is not what you mean by 'open source' [01:43] open source HW != linux support [01:44] oh open hardware schematics, ok. [01:44] tomreyn: no hootoo are a company that use hardware components that support open source, you can use it with anything, bsd included, hurd if you were suicidal [01:44] So I have a QNAP nas that had 4 bays which I did a raid-10 on, but after many years there is now an issue with bay4 ... it is the nas, the drives are fine. I've attached all 4 drives to my linux box .. how do I setup the raid here so that I can access the data please? [01:44] I buy hardware that supports open standards etc [01:45] rabbitnightmare: if that were true, you would see some drivers or a guide on how to get it to work with linux, i see nothing. [01:45] Delvien: it just works with any cctv camera software [01:45] it even works with cheese [01:45] that's a different matter [01:45] rabbitnightmare: do you run ubuntu on it? [01:46] logikos: typically thats set up via your mobo or intel raid, or a raid controller [01:46] tomreyn: its a security camera [01:46] rabbitnightmare: so? [01:46] logikos: Check your mobo to see if it supports raid, is my first suggestion [01:46] it doesnt run an OS [01:46] rabbitnightmare: I mean, you are in an OS support channel :P [01:47] right I was assuming that there might be some other people smart in here who run Ubuntu who happen to own businesses of their own who choose to use open standard hardware to support themselves [01:48] sorry I guess I overestimated the intillect level of the Ubuntu community [01:48] rabbitnightmare: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/awesome-diy-security-camera-clients-linux/ I know nothing of cctv [01:48] Delvien: I think my motherboard does support it but figured doing it in linux would be easier ... also I'm concerned ... will it auto-magicly realize that there was a raid already connecting the 4 drives ... as I do not want to lose the data ... [01:48] Come in here, and insult the intelligence of everyone here because we dont know about your chinese made backdoor camera? Sounds legit rabbitnight :) [01:49] Delvien: they're gone [01:49] tomreyn: Nothing of value was lost this day [01:50] logikos: rebuilding an array can lose data. You may want to google how to avoid that. [01:50] logikos: you could also reach out to qnap for support === mkv is now known as m4v [01:51] Delvien: I tried reaching out to QNAP ... my device is out of warranty ... so... they are not helping [01:51] So with pinguy builder, can it be used to create an installation disk? [01:52] as only bay 4 is bad my goal was to put 2 drives in bays 1 and 2 and create a raid 1 ... mount the old raid in my PC .. and transfer the data back to the NAS but on 2 drives rather than 4 [01:52] but to do that I need to somehow mount the raid built with the qnap nas in my linux box [01:52] logikos: what qnap device did you have? [01:52] I don't care if it is even read only [01:53] TS-431 [01:54] Helenah: Unfortunately we cannot support pinguy builder... you will need to reach out to their community for assistance [01:56] logikos: Many NAS devices use a custom software setup to control their RAIDs, many will not easily transfer to another system or computer. I would suggest collecting all the data you can off the drive while they're in the NAS. Then build a new NAS system with the drives [01:56] logikos: So with only one bay dead... you should still be able to see your data with a raid 10 [01:56] enough to at least transfer it off [01:58] logikos: pretty much what pragmaticen said :) [01:58] Delvien: yes, It will let me get to the data, but the dilemma is where to transfer it to... I have 2 extra drives that are large enough to contain the data, however if I transfer it to those drives from the NAS then I will not be transfering the data back into another raid ... I would have to transfer twice, from Raid to drive in pc, then from pc back into a raid 1 [01:59] logikos: how much data are we talking about? [01:59] If I could mount the raid 10 in my pc then I would be able to build the raid 1 in the NAS and transfer it from one raid to another ... once [01:59] 1.5TB [01:59] i have 6x 2TB drives ... the 4 that made up the original raid and 2 extra [01:59] so i have plenty of space [02:00] logikos: you're missing my point. the ability of being able to reuse those drives in a new RAID setup without data loss is not possible [02:01] logikos: Its not elequent but its the price you pay for a NAS device like that. [02:01] eloquent* [02:01] pragmaticenigma: what good is a NAS with raid 10 if I can not pull data off the drives if the NAS fails [02:02] this is not logical ... [02:02] logikos: we're talking about a temporary movement of data, and with 2, 2TB drives, you have enough space to back up your data [02:02] logikos: You said that you were using RAID 10... which means you only need 3 functional drives to recover the data [02:02] logikos: its rare that a bay dies in my experience, they dont sell you on that, they sell you on DRIVES dying. [02:03] logikos: that is assuming that the makers of that NAS and the method you used to set it up, are using standard practices [02:03] hi [02:07] I was told sudo apt autoremove can be used to remove all my old kernels, but it did not remove any kernels === JeremyD is now known as SleePy [02:07] Bashing-om: [02:08] Bilbo: Then your machine is beyond help. your remaining option is to back up your data to another drive, wipe the system and start over [02:09] That seems like a drastic conclusion [02:09] it does lol [02:09] heh [02:09] Bilbo: You can't follow simple commands here, and you expect us to hold your hand through what is a delicate operation [02:10] Bilbo: https://gist.github.com/ipbastola/2760cfc28be62a5ee10036851c654600 ive followed this myself with success. [02:10] how do I give sudo control to update manager so I can use it to remove kernels? [02:10] Delvien: there are several long forums about people having the same issue with the QNAP nas ... seems a power issue which over time affects the back board the drives mount into so .. for QNAP this is not rare at all [02:10] Bilbo: sudo is just "super user do" when you run "sudo THECOMMANDYOUWANT" you are running "THECOMMANDYOUWANT" with super user [02:11] pragmaticenigma: with a raid 10 I would only need 2 of the 4 drives to get the data ... as long as it is the correct 2 [02:11] well thanks to autoremove it removed a earlier version of a game so I got a tiny bit of space for using the web but there is also the issue of your link requiring registration to view the page Delvien [02:11] Bilbo: its github, register then? [02:11] Delvien: Yes, but I don't know what command you use to get update manager [02:11] meh, got a registration free page? [02:12] Bilbo: when you say update manager, do you mean apt? [02:12] pragmaticenigma: Delvien so you both agree, to get the data I need to put the drives back in the NAS and transfer it to my pc, then create a new raid in the NAS and transfer it back again... [02:12] im not sure [02:12] logikos: not exactly [02:12] logikos: at least not the part about putting the data back in that NAS [02:12] Bilbo registration free page? Register with fake data if you have a tinfoil hat on [02:12] logikos: first part of getting the data off yes, but I wouldnt use that nas again. [02:13] Delvien: the page doesn't require any registration. Bilbo is trolling us and can't figure out how to scroll down a page [02:13] my wife is upset because the nas contains many educational videos we play for the kids on the tv ... and right now she can't play them .. so i'm trying to get that back up [02:13] obviously I should buy a new nas and put the data on that [02:13] but for now ... so that she can get the videos... [02:13] it has a built in DLNA server [02:13] it still requires email verification and stuff... not paranoia, more irritation. [02:13] which our tv can see [02:13] pragmaticenigma: Sign in to GitHub to continue to Gist, no scroll down option [02:14] i actually considered hosting a DLNA server from my computer if i could get the raid up here [02:14] logikos: then I would focus on backing up the stuff on those drives for now... then at least you have a backup should the whole thing fail. I wouldn't add anymore new stuff to those drives [02:14] ^ [02:14] I concur [02:14] pragmaticenigma: i understand, it just seems odd to have to 'backup' data from a raid 10... [02:14] Bilbo: I litterally went to the site from the link Delvien provided and while there is signup button at the top of the screen. nothing prevented me from viewing the page [02:15] as all 4 drives are still good ... it should be backed up lol [02:15] logikos: My rule of thumb... 1 back up is none, 2 back ups is 1 [02:15] but if only the QNAP can reliably host the drives ... that is my problem [02:15] logikos: Yes, but without that NAS fully functional, putting those drives in another system and retaining the array, is not likely [02:16] logikos: to go with that 3-2-1 backups... 3 backups, 2 different types of media or storage containers, and 1 offsite [02:16] pragmaticenigma: Well I got something different, but then I tried again to confirm before grumbling that, and it works without registration now [02:16] hi [02:16] i have a problem [02:17] !ask | defame [02:17] defame: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [02:17] I use a NAS, an external high capacity drive, and cloud. Never keep on 1 device things you dont want to lose. :) [02:17] pragmaticenigma: I get your point ... but the NAS if full of mostly multimedia ... can can be re-ripped from original dvd's or downloaded .. it isn't that sensitive ... [02:17] not that I want to go though the work of doing that again lol [02:18] Delvien, why [02:18] Delvien: It seems this is designed to work after you remove the old versions not before... So it can't actually be used to remove the old versions, according to this. So I still don't know how to remove these old kernels. Well at least with my browser working again I'll scroll up and view a few webpages linked earlier, latter [02:18] bilbo im not sure what you mean, but it states what to do [02:19] defame: do you have a Ubuntu support question? Please ask it... this is not a chat room... if you would like to chat, please go to #ubuntu-offtopic [02:19] run the first command to get the list of kernels installed, remove the old kernels one at a time [02:19] I got to go, i'll leave this chat open for a bit if anyone can help me with removing my excess kernels please post here with my name and ill try it latter [02:19] Bilbo: I gave you all the information you need to get it done, everything is on the web page. [02:19] pragmaticenigma: Delvien so .. if I look into replacing the NAS .. is there some other solution that would work better .. so that if this happens again in the future it wont be as big of a deal... suppose I had 8TB of data .. that would REALLY suck to transfer [02:19] and I would have to purchase new drives just to do it... [02:19] Delvien: ah yeah, my mistake, I misread it. hmm ok [02:20] or suppose the qnap device failed ... then the drives are ... worthless .. even though it is raid 10 [02:20] Delvien: as I said... they're trolling [02:20] I thought (incorrectly obviously) that I could mount any one of the drives from a raid 10 and get the data off of it [02:20] still seems like it would be time consuming, I got alot of old kernels [02:20] using madam or something [02:20] raid 10 only protects you against drives failing, not the system taht runs the raid 10 :P [02:20] I wish there was a quicker way to remove them all [02:21] Bilbo: proper maintenance would prevent this [02:21] Bilbo: ^ [02:21] pragmaticenigma: By "proper maintenance" you mean? [02:22] Let me rephrase that since I phrased it so poorly. What do you mean by "proper maintenance"? [02:22] pragmaticen I like to give the benefit of the doubt, sometimes im pleasantly surprised. [02:22] What does "proper maintenance" consist of? [02:23] Bilbo: If after several kernel installs you went back and cleared ones you would never use again, instead of years down the road worrying about it [02:23] Rule of thumb for me, keep the newly installed kernel, and the last working kernel, all others are not necessary [02:23] Delvien: Well its not years of kernels. And whether I do it one at a time then or latter, still the same amount of time [02:23] Actually slightly quicker to do it at one time [02:24] And I still wish there was a faster way [02:24] Like that I could mass select the kernels with a cursor drag and delete them, or something [02:25] Bilbo: somehow I highly doubt that you have enough kernels to effect your disk space that much, if not years of upgraded kernels. unless you were doing something odd, or simply did not make the partitions big enough to scale [02:25] or that I could program it to delete old kernels automatically [02:26] Bilbo: Proper maintaince is learning how the operating system works and what you have to do to maintain it. Like in this case, the application apt and apt-get both give out information that there are unused applications on the computer. it also gives instructions on how to remove the unused applications. [02:27] bilbo so the funny story in all this, is there is a kernel tool to do that. Ukuu. Google it, but this is not canonical-made and this channel nor I will offer support on this [02:27] Bilbo: proper maintenance in this case would be to run "sudo apt-get autoremove --purge" once a month. Which would remove old kernels as well as other orphaned software that is no longer needed by the system. [02:28] logikos: It is possible to recover the raw data, but data striping from raid 0 means you won't be able to recover complete files [02:29] logikos: also it assumes the software managing the raid 10 was adhering to the standards. many don't. [02:29] Like readynas and their raid-x (lol why though) [02:33] ... *sigh* So the best I can do to make my wife happy is to put the drives back in the NAS (at least bays 1-3) .. put a 2TB hdd in my computer and copy everything off the nas onto it... then host my own DLNA server from the computer while I purchase a new NAS [02:33] Bilbo: One can "automagically" remove old kernels - once the sytem is stable. see the file " /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades " . [02:33] or instead of buying a new nas I setup some sync to some cloud hosting service large enough to host the data [02:33] that way I do not have to worry about hardware failures [02:34] Anyone had any issues with Firefox not playing audio from *some* video sources? [02:34] not like... all videos from a source, but just some videos [02:34] from youtube/various sources [02:34] logikos: I use a duplicati docker for that. [02:35] gdbass yeah, I can not remember what it is called but you have to config firefox for those special videos ... some legal junk [02:35] logikos, the DMCA setting? [02:36] what video sources? [02:36] I've seen it with Youtube, reddit videos and vimeo so far [02:36] not all videos just some [02:36] I figured it was a codec thing [02:36] gdibass: that sounds right [02:36] disable hardware acceleration in firefox, close browser, see if that fixes [02:37] Delvien: hmm, i love docker .. i'll look into that [02:37] logikos: you may look into building your own nas, honestly, it might be cheaper [02:37] not sure what it uses for the cloud storage ... I suppose it is configurable [02:37] freenas has docker support [02:37] unraid too, but unraid costs $$ [02:38] logikos: duplicati can send to all kinds of cloud storage, onedrive, gdrive, amazon, etc etc [02:38] Nope, hardware accel didn't do it [02:38] gdibass: you closed all firefox instances? [02:38] I have enough sata ports on my main computer to host it .. but my own computer gets rebooted and used for many other things, figured a separate device would be better [02:38] Yeah [02:38] are you using HDMI sound? [02:38] or analog [02:38] gdibass: Is this a recent install of Ubuntu... or one that you have had going for awhile? [02:38] plus QNAP had a nice http gui and built in DLNA etc [02:38] Neither, firewire [02:38] so i was being lazy [02:38] lol [02:38] pragmaticenigma, yes, within the last few weeks [02:38] firewire? whoa what year is it [02:39] Installed it about 2 weeks ago [02:39] Delvien, hah, it's a musician's audio interface [02:39] gdibass: my question remains! :P [02:39] They're actually pretty standard [02:39] https://us.focusrite.com/firewire-audio-interfaces/saffire-pro-14 [02:39] gdibass: it's possible that the source material is attempting some DMCA stuff to prevent sampling the audio via the firewire channel. [02:39] Need it for the outputs to big monitors [02:39] DRM not DMCA [02:40] most interfaces are just 1/4" out [02:40] DRM that's it [02:40] Huh yeah maybe [02:40] let me try out of HDMI [02:40] for me all videos play in firefox, but not opera (yes I use opera) [02:40] so *shrugs* [02:40] my issue is not a DRM issue though [02:41] Shit [02:41] Yeah it plays out of HDMI [02:41] Weird [02:41] gdibass: Please be mindfull of language [02:41] I do not care enough to figure out how to get it to work in opera .. i just play them in firefox or chrome lol [02:41] gdibass: close firefox (ctrl Q) open terminal, run firefox via terminal, open video, see if error spits out [02:41] Ahh sorry [02:41] I've got a foul mouth :/ [02:42] I get a message, but I get it with both HDMI and firewire [02:43] pastebin it, unless its one line then paste it here [02:43] ###!!! [Parent][DispatchAsyncMessage] Error: PClientSourceOp::Msg___delete__ Route error: message sent to unknown actor ID [02:43] and when u got that error did audio play? [02:43] and I get that on every video [02:43] No, I get that even when it plays [02:43] so, not likely to be related [02:44] and youre using pulseaudio right? [02:44] No I'm not [02:44] IIRC, FF only works with pulse [02:45] this seems like a FF problem, not an ubuntu problem. [02:45] Strange... it works fine with most videos [02:45] Yeah I agree [02:45] because they work in Chrome [02:45] gdibass: Don't we all, meaning with the foul mouth. [02:45] Heh, not the first time I've been chastised for cursing in here :P [02:46] gdibass: by that sentiment, my bike CAN ride on the highway, but it will never go as fast as a car :P [02:46] Me neither, it's easy to forget which environment you're in. [02:46] Delvien, Biking used to be allowed on the highway about a mile down the road from me :P [02:46] they just finished a bike path though so not any more [02:46] Let me try with pulse [02:46] :) [02:47] gdibass: just so youre aware, that error message, has many bug reports and threads, give it the good ol'googlin [02:47] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM [02:47] Yeah I figured it wasn't related... [02:47] Wow, so this is interesting [02:48] It sees an audio stream from firefox, but the volume level is through the floor [02:48] This has to be a codec/sampling rate thing [02:48] so its negative? lol [02:48] lol not literally, it's just really low [02:49] pavucontrol, it may prove useful [02:49] Yeah that's what I'm looking at [02:50] if not pulse what have you been using gdibass ? [02:50] alsa my guess [02:50] Whatever the default sound controller is [02:50] gdibass: that would imply pulse [02:50] well pulse has been default for years [02:51] Didn't realize that was the default [02:51] i remember the transition, it was heckin good time [02:51] I didn't have the Pulsecontrol set up so [02:51] I think I know what's going on [02:51] It's treating my saffire as a surround sound interface [02:51] left center/right center aren't playing anything [02:52] gdibass: it rides on topic of ALSA which is only capable of handling one sound source at a time. Pulse enables duplexing of multiple streams into a single stream that gets fed to ALSA [02:52] * pragmaticenigma using the wrong words to describe things I know much about [02:56] just got ubuntu 18.04 server installed on my laptop. how can i get the intel wifi driver and associated firmware working such that im not tied to ethernet? [02:56] believe its iwlwifi [02:57] Jgalt: most of the intel chipsets are supported by default without additional software [02:58] wow is this a functional chat or only a fake group of automatically words? [02:58] Hello my fellow Automatically Words [02:58] omg [02:59] What is the *most* optimal way to get a graphical interface over the network of a Ubuntu Desktop, on a Ubuntu Server, all using LTS 16.04? [02:59] I want to be in a group, real or fake, of automatically words. [02:59] pragmaticenigma: ok the card is there but not configured. how can it be configured on boot? [03:00] ...most often via dhcp [03:00] Goop: you mean remote access, or something like ssh -x ? [03:00] Yes [03:00] remote access, like VNC or RDP. [03:01] Jgalt: read up on netplan, which is what Ubuntu Server uses to manage the network connections [03:01] RDP is not plausible on ubuntu (in my experience freerdp stinks) VNC would be your best bet, tigervpn or tightvnc, plent of guides online [03:02] theres also teamviewer if u want to go the non-free option [03:02] or even less free, chrome remote desktop [03:02] Delvien, The problem is, I can't seem to ever get a good client that hooks up to a good server software, allows me to resize monitors when I resize the client window, and that actually shows the default Ubuntu Desktop 16.04 environment. [03:02] I keep seeing stuff like XFCE, but I don't like the desktop environment, I want it to look like the actual Ubuntu Desktop. [03:03] Goop: Welcome to the world of remote access (GUI) with linux. [03:03] freenx might be a good option for you [03:03] nomachine runs it iirc [03:03] Jgalt: I wish I had more information, but I'm more familiar with the graphical side of Ubuntu. #ubuntu-server is a great channel for the terminal side of setup [03:03] but if its "free" you may want to research [03:04] ah i didnt see the server part [03:04] * Delvien reading is hard [03:04] I think I'm just going to use Chrome lol [03:04] Delvien, it's not that hard as long as you are an Automatically Words [03:05] gdibass: honestly, FF has been complete garbo for me. [03:05] haha. [03:05] Yeaaaah I've gone back and forth [03:05] I like it better on OSX, but just barely [03:05] on Ubuntu it doesn't seem to be up to snuff [03:05] Goop: have a look at x2go, its the better of the free NX variants [03:05] chrome has better extensions at this point.. Also i can open up word docs right into my office 365 word online [03:05] Other problem I am always running into is trying to that there never seems to be a monitor or desktop environment server to connect to when running these VNC things. [03:05] Goop: Dynamic resizing of the desktop is a feature native to RDP and Microsoft. I haven't seen anything in the Linux world support that out of the box. Most of the VNC clients are viewers, they send only keyboard and mouse commands, not environment dimensions [03:06] pragmaticenigma: any idea what's up? ubuntu server seems to disallow thost that join from speaking [03:06] Jgalt: due to recent spam attacks, many of the rooms require you to register your handle/nickk/screenname [03:06] !nick | Jgalt [03:06] Jgalt: Your nick is how people know you on IRC. Please don't change your nicknames too often (use /nick newnick), or it creates a lot of confusion. You should also !register your nick with freenode. [03:07] pragmaticenigma: Goop unless you are running virtualbox Vms, with guest additions.. (which virtualbox does have an RDP server built in) but I think you are looking for your server with a GUI, not vms? [03:07] !register | Jgalt [03:07] Jgalt: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode. [03:07] Delvien, it sounds weird, but I want to use a server as a remote desktop, where I can click around and Google things like a normal computer. [03:07] Goop are you running headless? [03:08] Goop: I have x11vnc setup on my machine to auto run after I have logged in locally. which allows me to "share" my desktop remotely. The XFCE you mentioned is when configuring to use xrfb methods, which benefit from lightweight desktop environments [03:08] I'm registered with freenode... forgot password to auth though [03:09] Jgalt: that should be all it takes to get you going then :-) [03:09] should auth with services take care of +v in ubuntu-server? [03:09] pragmaticenigma, I don't think I care about lightweight environment, I want the nice, full Ubuntu desktop experience. [03:10] Goop: At that point why bother running ubuntu-server then? [03:10] pragmaticenigma, the issue with using x11vnc is that it can't seem to find the server/monitor, even though I installed the ubuntu-desktop packages. [03:10] just run ubuntu desktop and install the server portions you need [03:10] Delvien, because it is the image I was given by Google. [03:10] Goop: Are you running headless? [03:10] Delvien, yes, I am running headless, it is a Google Cloud instance. [03:14] Goop: x11vnc needs to have the desktop already loaded to work best... it needs "the magic cookie" to hook into the display manager to display the desktop. If you execute it after establishing a session, it will find it automatically [03:14] Goop: like pragmaticen said, x2go might be a good option. [03:14] or that [03:15] Goop: this is what I launch after successfully logging in: x11vnc -display :0 -forever -loop -noxdamage -repeat -skip_lockkeys -noxrecord -rfbport 5900 -shared [03:15] note that I do not have it password protected [03:15] Okay, I got this going. I'm using x11vnc, and I think I played around with the .xstartup file, and so now I got into a VNC client and it isn't showing the left-menu, top bar, but I see the desktop background and can right-click it. [03:15] The cursor is an X instead of a pointer. [03:15] pragmaticen the humanity. [03:16] Delvien: I'm the only occupant of the local network, and the port is not exposed to the internet [03:16] at least I hope it's not [03:17] suggestion for dvd authoring software for 18.04? [03:17] Goop: https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/pull/292 a little googling goes a long way [03:18] jmadero: This channel isn't the best choice for asking for software recommendations. You should try the #ubuntu-offtopic for recommendations [03:19] Delvien, not really concerned about the X right now. [03:20] What is the left-menu called? It's functionally equivelant to Windows Task Bar [03:20] pragmaticen try telnetting to the port to see if its open :P [03:20] Goop: commonly referred to as the taskbar in Ubuntu as well... also known as the dash [03:20] it's not open on the gateway firewall [03:21] thats fair [03:21] I am paranoid about anything without a password at the minimum, even if local-only :) [03:21] Goop: I believe .xstartup gets processed to early and the hooks x11vnc needs aren't avaialble fully... which is giving you an incomplete desktop [03:22] long long ago i had an exposed vnc with no password, bad things ensued, learned my lesson [03:22] Delvien: It's easy enough to add in... I just rebuilt this machine after a HD crash... still fine tuning higher priorities [03:22] What is a good set of commands to run in a bash script to make sure everything on a Ubuntu desktop environment gets "loaded" (for lack of a better term)? [03:23] Goop: what I did is added that x11vnc line I posted earlier to a bash script. and then set the bash script to run in Gnome/KDE's autostart configuration tool [03:24] pragmaticen fair enough :) [03:25] Goop: this help page also discusses and suggests how to configure x11vnc for various setups [03:25] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers [03:35] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM [03:36] I still am having issues, even reading the Ubuntu help page, with getting all of the desktop environment to load. I still don't see the taskbar, dash, or the top bar. [03:46] exit [04:01] how do i get apt to list packages that can be piped to xargs [04:01] other than qtwebkit5-examples/bionic 5.9.1+dfsg-2 amd64 [04:07] eg like aptitude search ^qt* -F %p but the apt equivilant [04:10]