[04:18] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:07] <ducasse> good morning
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:57] <JimBuntu> wb BluesKaj
[10:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz (800MHz) • Memory: Physical: 7,5 GiB Total (6,1 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 27,4 GB / 260,1 GB (232,7 GB Free) • VGA: 8086:5917 @ 8086:5914 • Uptime: 6h 58m 7s
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> my new toy BluesKaj ^
[11:14] <BluesKaj> nice lotuspsychje :-)
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yours was also i5?
[11:16] <BluesKaj> yes it is
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> cool
[11:17] <BluesKaj> plenty fast and capable to handle my needs
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah same here, turbo
[14:01] <sonicwind> happy Sunday
[14:19] <BluesKaj> I hope so,,, so far so good :-)
[14:20] <blackflow> mmmmh Sunday sundae!
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> hey sonicwind
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> hey blackflow
[14:30] <blackflow> o/
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: waky waky mate its party in #ubuntu lol
[14:42]  * lotuspsychje makes a warm cuppa coffee ready
[16:03] <hggdh> #ubuntu has gone +r for now
[16:04] <BluesKaj> short term filter for long term gain
[16:04] <blackflow> hggdh: due to that LRH stuff?
[16:04] <hggdh> yes
[16:05] <blackflow> I've put that on ignore, didn't see if it was still going on, I guess it is.
[16:05] <blackflow> weird that the irc daemons in 2018 can't do global pattern matched filtering....
[16:06] <hggdh> pattern against what? You only know what is going to be displayed *when* it is displayed
[16:06] <BluesKaj> the nicks and IPs keep changing with those bot attacks
[16:07] <blackflow> BluesKaj: I've put the "LRH OFFICIAL" pattern on ignore
[16:07] <blackflow> and I'm surprised that freenode can't do the same, drop such messages before they're propagated to clients. the previous spam wave was also verbatim reposts of the same message over and over.
[16:08] <hggdh> again, this only works because your client monitors *your* channels. The message is, still, received
[16:08] <BluesKaj> they stopped the bots in ##linux chat., didn't ask what they did tho
[16:09] <blackflow> yes and my point is, how come Freenode can't do that when relaying the messages
[16:09] <blackflow> (note I said irc daemons, not clients)
[16:11] <hggdh> it stopped on ##linux because they set a quiet on all unregistered users
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: to scan every message prior to broadcast to the network would increase latency so high, no one would want to use this network
[16:12] <blackflow> I seriously doubt that.
[16:13] <BluesKaj> hggdh, don't think so
[16:13] <hggdh> (mode +q $-a: -- and this quiet is in place since March 2017, at least)
[16:13] <hggdh> BluesKaj: send a /mode +q there to see it
[16:16] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: what Sigyn does is vastly more computationally intensive as she's correlating posts across different chans from same nicks/users in order to detect spamming and she does it just fine. Yes, I'm calling a bot She in respect to actual Sigyn.
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: but Sigyn also is setup as a client on the network, not on the hosting IRC servers. Therefore, Sigyn/Drone need to see the message prior to handling it.
[16:18] <hggdh> blackflow: again, Sigyn *reacts* to channel output. It does pre-censor
[16:18] <blackflow> yes, I know, I was just comparing the workloads. doing a simple strcmp while relaying, before the messages are sent out, wouldn't introduce significant latency, not on this network at least.
[16:19] <blackflow> well anyway, that's the only place to stop spam like this.
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: that's assuming the spam campaign doesn't notice they're getting muted at the server level, ramp up their campaing to basically DDOS the network, but ultimately flooding out their messages
[16:21] <blackflow> assuming if they could do that, and then for some reason not doing that already.
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> cause at the moment their messages are getting through, and they actually want people to see them
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: nooby...whatver their name.. constantly thinks they're so smart finding bugs
[17:01] <sonicwind> dumb question... if you're looking at a thread on community.ubuntu.com, is there a way to see the most recent replies first? I don't see one.
[17:01] <sonicwind> I'm not signed in either, but I think you should be able to do that without needing to sign in.
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> often advanced features are hidden behind a login to avoid abose. forums do that to prevent bots and scanners from hammering those features accidentally.
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> s/abose/abuse/
[18:48] <EriC^> evening all
[20:17] <phill> Hey guys need a new laptop ideally want a touch screen, 15", core i5 8th gen,.ssd any suggestions?
[20:18] <phill> I'm in the uk
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> phill: alot of brands will work fine on that hardware
[20:18] <phill> Lo
[20:19] <phill> * lotuspsychje, yeah, but it's a lot of money just on a chace
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> phill: not sure how touch does work on 18.04 though didnt test myself
[20:22] <lotuspsychje> phill: i never liked the idea of touch & laptop combined
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> for touching, i use my gf
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> erm a tablet :p
[20:23] <phill> lotuspsychje: I had a hp on vista. Hand writing recognise i
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> phill: about the only tricky one about that spec is the touchscreen. touchscreen support in linux is spotty as the vendors don't have a standard they adhere to
[20:24] <phill> *recognition was good
[20:24] <lotuspsychje> phill: i would go for regular laptop, maybe put own ssd in like samsung 860
[20:25] <phill> pragmaticenigma: yeah, was hoping for some one to put a hand up and say I've got this
[20:25] <phill> lotuspsychje: was looking at entroea
[20:25] <phill> * entroware
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> yeah not bad brand
[20:25] <phill> Please excuse my fat fingers on my phone
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> wich country do you live
[20:26] <phill> Uk
[20:26] <lotuspsychje> kk
[20:26] <lotuspsychje> anyway bed time here
[20:26] <phill> It's my only machine, so don't really want anything less that 15"
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> phill: those look like reputable machines
[20:28] <phill> pragmaticenigma: yeah, a slight premium, but for a 'native' Linux machine it's worth it.
[20:28] <phill> Don't end up lining M$ pockets then.
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> phill: sadly, there's still a chance you are... but that's a topic for another day
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> phill: what I did with my last machine was spec'd out the machine I wanted. Got the specs tuned exactly how I wanted... then found a Dell at a local computer store for nearly half the price. I ended up with the Dell... Imaged windows to a backup drive, wiped and installed Ubuntu.
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> the dell had exactly the same parts, but half the cost. since it was the exact same parts manifest, I knew everything would work with Ubuntu
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> sometimes the MS tax is worth it, to get a much cheaper machine
[20:34] <phill> Having said that I need a windows VM for Dec work, so I guess it's swings a d roundabouts.
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> yes, if you need a windows VM, then you will have a valid liscense for it
[21:09] <daftykins> pretty sure licensing doesn't work that way
[21:14] <phill> Looking at the i5 https://www.entroware.com/store/aether is the £20 upgrade to mvne worth it?
[21:14] <phill> *nvme
[21:14] <daftykins> a PCI express SSD over a SATA one is worth it yes
[21:15] <daftykins> NVMe is the protocol layer atop a PCIe one
[21:19] <phill> daftykins: ta.
[22:41] <Bashing-om> Getting settled back in :) .. Back from the threat of thunderstorms .