[00:25] Im trying to synchronize the packages between 2 ubuntu server systems. apt-mark looks like a good way to do this and I found https://simpleit.rocks/linux/replicate-installed-packages but after I run apt-mark on the second machine, then what? do I not need to update, upgrade, something to actually get the packages to install? [00:25] ....on the new box?.... [00:25] hola [00:25] xg === Ismael is now known as Guest17294 [00:27] JGalt: the link you posted returns a 404 status for me [00:29] JGalt: this can work, assuming you have the same apt sources on both systems: https://serverfault.com/questions/56848/install-the-same-debian-packages-on-another-system [00:36] LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk [00:38] hello, im having trouble getting my bluetooth headphones to work with my sys [00:38] LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk [00:39] i have tried using bluetoothctl and bluedevil and the native gnome client [00:39] i seem to be able to have success pairing and connecting, but it still doesnt show up as an audio device, also i dont hear any notification from my headphones that they are connected [00:40] tomreyn: sorry bad link, this should do it https://simpleit.rocks/linux/replicate-installed-package-selections-from-one-ubuntu-system-to-another/ [00:41] JGalt: found it since, but i think the one i posted is sufficient. [00:41] the apt-mark approach seems wrong to me. === Tempesta_ is now known as Tempesta [00:43] JGalt: actually, thinking more about it, you probably want to do both, dpkg selections and apt mark. i didn't read the article as suggesting that you shuld do both, but like it would be alternatives, which is not the case [00:44] Tomreyn: i know about the method of using dpkg but aparently using dpkg for this fails to track automatically vs manually installed packages which the apt-mark method covered here aparently does track. I'm confused though as the seemingly better method instructions just seem to end after marking on the new system [00:45] JGalt: i just tried to explain that you should first do dpkg selections, then apt mark IMO. [00:45] ah ok [00:46] JGalt: Might want to consider ' debfoster ' on this use case also . [00:46] JGalt: and before you do this, make sure apt sources are the same, and run apt-get update [00:48] http://www.fruit.je/debfoster/ [00:54] Hey, I want to create a local mirror of the Ubuntu repository. How big is the repository, and how much data's worth is changed each month? [00:56] Goop: repositories for what versions and flavours of Ubuntu? [00:58] hggdh, excellent question. That really depends on how big they are, and if they can be combined. [00:58] hggdh, lets go with Ubuntu 16.04 [00:59] Goop: I am not really sure, but I would expect 150GB + [01:01] Goop: I maintain a cache for *packages* (so I only cache the "common" Ubuntu and Kubuntu packages, for 16.04, 18.04, and 18.10. It is currently at 240GB [01:03] Goop: with the ISOs for 16.04, 18.04, and 18.10 (all flavours, AMD64-only), add 50GB [01:04] hey all, how do i copy an entire package, including dependencies and desktop icon, from ubuntu to some other linux distro? [01:05] LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk [01:05] hggdh, the repositories are always being added to. How much is added to it by the end of the week? [01:05] My ISP is a jerk and has a data cap. [01:09] Goop: on 16.04, there about 150 packages updated last week (kernel was updated, so lots of binaries). For the size... IDK. a few GB, probably [01:09] Goop: I am talking about *source* packages; they may generate more than one binary package [01:10] coldpresent: this seems like an incorrect approach you should always use debian package son only those linux distributions they were made for. [01:10] hggdh, are you downloading more than 50GB in a week? [01:11] Goop: on both package updates and ISO update, no, probably less than 25GB [01:11] Goop: packages... highball a few GB per week (after the first humongous download of the whole repository) [01:12] how can i prevent ubuntu from trying to install a package? it keeps trying to install javascript-common as a recommended package and causing the install to fail (presumably because i have a highly customized /etc/apache2) [01:13] Goop: by "few" I mean something between 1 and 3 GB [01:13] tomreyn: this particular package only has debian and centos support, is there absolutely no way i can port it to other distros? [01:14] hggdh, are you including daily-build iso 's ? [01:14] xubuntu18041: yes, I am. But I use zsync, and usually this limits the actual download to about 10% of the ISO [01:15] coldpresent: you can build the source package against the target system [01:15] How do I get Asterisk to work on Ubuntu LTS 16.04? [01:15] hggdh, hehe, my next question :] [01:17] DimeCadmium: i dont see how javascript-common would modify any configuration in / below /etc/apache2 [01:17] tomreyn: also, there are no makefiles in the package, i believe it's proprietary [01:18] DimeCadmium: you could paste the output of a failed installation on a poastebin. [01:18] tomreyn: honestly i havent investigated why, but every time it tries to install it i have to go back and purge it [01:18] tomreyn: there's just a bunch of folders and files, i believe it's pre-built [01:18] coldpresent: ehich ubuntu package are you talking about? [01:18] *which [01:19] also, its output is 100% unhelpful: https://bpaste.net/show/2393bd62b5c1 [01:19] but when purging: apache2_invoke javascript-common prerm: No action required [01:20] tomreyn: its an external proprietary package, not from ubuntu [01:20] thus leading me to believe that may be the cause. like i said though i don't care why it's failing i just don't want it. [01:24] DimeCadmium: rerun the command you ran to create the paste with -o 'Debug::RunScripts' [01:24] ...and paste again [01:25] coldpresent: so you didnt tell the truth originally? hey all, how do i copy an entire package, including dependencies and desktop icon, from ubuntu to some other linux distro? [01:25] tomreyn: maybe phrasing could be better. the package works on ubuntu because the package is built for debian [01:26] coldpresent: well, you're off-topic here. [01:26] aight, thanks for your help regardless [01:30] DimeCadmium: the fact that it's failing to install may very well point to an underlöying issue, which may affect other packages as well. it's something you should investiage and repair, or else you may end up missing important updates or becoming unable to install some packages. [01:31] tomreyn: it hasn't affected any other packages so far. if it does, i will find that out and fix it then. [01:32] frankly, i don't plan on installing any web software that would need to install javascript. in fact, i don't plan on installing any web software. if i were to do that, i would do it manually, because we have a very strange environment for some web software we DO run. [01:33] thanks for the useless advice without knowing the situation rather than answering my question though. [01:33] such a lovely person [01:38] I can't remove audacious without removing kxstudio-desktop-kde4, will this render me without a desktop environment if I remove it? [01:40] sirriffsalothp: kxstudio-desktop-kde4 is not an ubuntu package [01:40] tomreyn: true, but I'm wondering since someone here would probably know anyhow? Asked in kxstudio but no one's home :P [01:41] we only support ubuntu here, and happily, once you have it installed, sorry. [01:45] why is chat always dead? is everyone on twitch tv??? === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [01:56] LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk [02:07] lotusopsychje i did the uname -a but it is on another ubuntu so it is difficult to print the result of that command here should i just give the linux imag version number here? [02:07] lotuspsychje i removed samba alltogether and am now apt-get dist-upgrading [02:07] will this get rid of the vulnerable? [02:10] NotSoFastJames: lotusopsychje isn't currently around.do oyu need help with anything? [02:12] tomrey yes, please! friend, I am currently experiencing issues with samba, i am running an ubuntu with samba running on it sharing out partitions on the ubuntu onto other devices on the network, one of them being my own main device running ubuntu as well and my gf's windows machine [02:12] now after running apt-get upgrade samba ceased working saying "cant start LBS or something" [02:13] now coming hear lotuspsychje pointed out that there has been a vulnerability in samba and asking for uname-a [02:13] i doubt the message is "cant start LBS or something" [02:13] in the meantime i removed samba in order to close the vulnerability and then i did the dist-upgrad and the regular upgrade [02:13] tomreyn you are right [02:14] both dist-upgrade and upgrade failed to apt-get while samba was still installed [02:14] now having upgraded and dist-upgraded i will reinstall samba and check if i can get it to run now, otherwise i will bring the detailed error here [02:15] which ubuntu release did you upgrade from and to? [02:15] failed to start LSB: stat samba/CIF [02:16] it was an 18.04 [02:16] i am not aware of the current kernel [02:16] i will get that hang on [02:18] linux kernel image 4.4.0 131 [02:19] before dist-upgrade it was the same with uname -a [02:19] NotSoFastJames: on ubuntu bionic? [02:19] yes [02:19] ubuntu [02:19] did you reboot after finishing the upgrade? [02:19] this is a server style ubuntu machine [02:19] no [02:19] i will do so now [02:19] hang on [02:19] btw thank you kindly sir for your friendly help, i dont know how to thank you: thank you! [02:19] better check you have all updates installed before you do [02:20] :) welcome [02:27] tomrey i did the sudo reboot style restart of the system, and again removed samba, then apt-get update && upgrade&& dist-upgrade [02:28] re installing samba with a sudo apt-get install samba style command again threw the same error [02:28] using autoremove style command to purge old just to be sure [02:28] tomreyn is it possible that this vulnerability with samba is causing this headache? [02:29] what does this LSB error message mean? "cants start LSB: start samba/CIF...)" [02:29] NotSoFastJames: so far, i see no reason to believe that any vulnerability is getting in the way here. are you able to remote control the samba server, such as via ssh? [02:30] does mdadm only work with intel chips? [02:31] madLyfe: no [02:31] not as of now, i am experiencing network issues the server is not apearing in the network [02:31] it is apearing in the gateway-style router device though [02:31] also it has access to the inernet [02:31] i think this is bad? mdadm: imsm capabilities not found for controller: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2 (type SATA) [02:32] NotSoFastJames: which OS runs on the computer you are chatting from? [02:32] trying to use mdadm on the marvell controller. [02:32] this is now my gfs computer runnig a windows style OS [02:33] my own ubuntu has issues with its network card so i have to plug it in via ethernet [02:33] getting a new wifi card as we speak [02:34] this is why i cannot easily copy paste the error messages [02:34] LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk [02:34] i tired putting a dual boot on this machine but i didnt get that to work... [02:34] NotSoFastJames: okay, also install openssh-server on the samba server, then you can download putty to the windows computer and connect to the ip address of the samba server [02:35] she already had putty on here [02:35] LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk [02:36] ssh is not working for some reason [02:36] i had it set up on my ubuntu (not the server but my own device) [02:36] is there an error message? are you connecting the the right server? [02:36] and it didnt work ever since i had the samba issues [02:37] i used to be able to easily connect to the server style ubuntu machine using m own ubuntu main pc but it suddenly wont work [02:37] no it just says it timed out [02:38] when you run "systemctl status ssh" on the server, does it report an error message? [02:38] is it possible that an outside party took over my server and with it my network? [02:38] i dont know like a worm or a troyan or something? [02:39] why would you think so? [02:39] i think you are jumping to conclusions. [02:39] idk i find it odd that all of a sudden ssh stops working then samba also suddenly starts working.. [02:39] i mean stops [02:39] if something doesn't work as expected, a compromise is one of many, and not the most likely, reason. [02:41] i see, i am trying to ssh with my personal computer running ubuntu and the openssh-server is on my server [02:41] which is also running ubuntu [02:41] again it looks like it will time out [02:42] i think maybe somehow the network got messed up, like routing tables or something idk the words [02:43] so when you ran commands on the samba server some minutes ago, was this through ssh from your ubuntu desktop, or was it directly on the samba server? [02:44] this is the error with ssh "ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.42 port 23: connection timed out [02:44] tomreyn directly on the server [02:45] at the time my ubuntu main was turned off also ssh didnt work for a while now === nunun is now known as Guest58289 [02:47] at the time my ubuntu main was turned off also ssh didnt work for a while now [02:47] sorry for double post [02:48] when you run "systemctl status ssh" on the server, does it report an error message? [02:49] so when you ran commands on the samba server some minutes ago, was this through ssh from your ubuntu desktop, or was it directly on the samba server? [02:49] please try those, then report back [02:54] I'm frustrated as crap, because I followed this tutorial: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Hello+World and the phone on 6001 doesn't seem to ever work. [02:55] I have tried it on Twinkle. [02:55] I had to slap it on the local machine and try 127.0.0.1 [02:55] What I am now getting is: "6001, registration failed: 403 Forbidden" [02:55] and "Line 1: call failed. 404 Not Found" when trying to call extension 100 [02:57] hi everyone [02:58] NotSoFastJames: are you still working on it? [02:59] yes [03:00] i was checking the openssh and it said server side it is li [03:00] "li"? [03:00] it is listening on the proper port but on the address 0.0.0.0 [03:00] 0.0.0.0 means 'everywhere', that's fine [03:01] i checked the ssh_config and sshd_config but i didnt put that option so technically it should of been listening on all addresses [03:01] oh [03:01] i reinstalled open-ssh just to be sure [03:01] but my ssh sitll timed out [03:01] i mean from my non server [03:02] NotSoFastJames: check, on the server, what its ip address is. you can use the 'ip a' command [03:02] in 16.04 you could press CTRL + L to change the path in a dialog box, but how do you do that in 18.04 with gnome? [03:03] the server style ip is different from what nmap claimed it was! [03:03] NotSoFastJames: you can ignore the 'lo' (LOOPBACK) device (usually number 1), so look at the others instead. the number which follows 'inet' is an ip address [03:05] ok iam lgged in [03:06] logged in, thank you again for your kind and merciful help [03:06] designbybeck: i dont think it exists anymore, but you can click on 'other locations' on the bottom left to browse there [03:06] NotSoFastJames: great! [03:07] NotSoFastJames: so you can now run "uname -r" again? [03:08] designbybeck: whoops, actually ctrl-l works here [03:09] this is nautilus on 18.04.1 [03:09] i want to add kubuntu to my dual install setup(ubuntu on one SSD and win 10 on another). i dont mind getting rid of ubuntu and only having kubuntu but im not sure about just adding kubuntu to the nix SSD, let alone removing ubuntu. [03:09] 4.40-133-generic [03:09] tomaw [03:09] tomreyn [03:10] madlyfe you can do a tripple boot [03:10] NotSoFastJames: okay, so it seems that your release upgrade was not really successful. there is no kernel version 4.4.0 on bionic (18.04) [03:10] what if i wanted to remove ubuntu before or after? [03:10] just install the kubuntu with the preexisting ubuntu and it will give you the option to install next to the pre-exisitng ubuntu [03:11] madLyfe: "sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop" on the existing ubuntu installation [03:11] then you can pick and choose in a grub style menu every time you boot up [03:11] oh kubuntu is not a distro? [03:11] madLyfe: wht bit dual boot both (k)ubuntu and ubuntu ? I do multi-boot : http://termbin.com/ft18 . [03:11] kubuntu is an ubuntu flavour [03:11] tomreyn: is that bad? rather than just having one? rather than one on top of the other? [03:11] tomreyn so the key to solving this problem is just updating the kernel? [03:12] tjaml [03:13] thank you tomreyn i am goig to look into how to get a new kernel manually [03:13] thanks for your kindness and big heart and generosity and patience and mercifulness! [03:14] NotSoFastJames: probablky it's not that easy. can you run this: sudo true; pastebin <( cat /proc/version; lsb_release -ds; echo; apt-get update 2>&1; echo; apt-get dist-upgrade -V --assume-no 2>&1; echo; apt-cache policy 2>&1; ) [03:16] hmmm tomreyn is nautilus the default file browser in 18.04? [03:16] designbybeck: yes [03:17] OH tomreyn you are correct! It does work in the file browser...I was trying in a save as dialog box from a firefox! It would be nice it if worked there too! [03:17] tomreyn, thanks for the feedback! [03:17] madLyfe: installing multiple desktop environemnets on a single ubuntu installation is anoption. there are meta packages such as ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop. if you install both, you can switch between desktop environments on the graphical login. [03:19] designbybeck: hmm right it doesnt seem to work there [03:20] i mean i like ubuntu but with KDE plasma so i dont mind just rocking Kubuntu but not sure of what that process would be since i have grub in a dual boot setup with win10 [03:21] this is my win 10 SSD: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aJBSzSxy/Screenshot%20from%202018-08-18%2022-20-58.png [03:22] and this is my ubuntu SSD https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7IS5ey3Y/Screenshot%20from%202018-08-18%2022-22-29.png [03:24] awesome [03:24] what now? [03:25] personally i'd use XFCE as a window manager [03:25] boot in a few seconds if on SSD [03:27] madLyfe: if you want to do a new installation of kubuntu, replacing the previous ubntu installation, and keeping windows bootable, all you should need to do is to run the kubuntu installer and install to sda [03:28] is grub on the win ssd? [03:28] unholymachine: what is the context of what you are saying? [03:29] madLyfe: grub is probbaly on sda, but there is no easy way to know, nor is there a need to know. you can just install it to sda. [03:30] oh , i just stumbled in and didn't read what madLyfe is trying to do. i was just making a comment as how to best utilize the speeds offered by solid state media when it comes to using a GUI for linux [03:30] i see [03:30] ok. i thought windows does some funky stuff with booting and partitioning which is why you should install it first before nix in a dual boot setup.. [03:31] didnt know if i would be messing all that up [03:31] madLyfe: grub is wherever you have your MBR(master boot record) which usually is on the first drive, which looks like your windows drive [03:34] if you want to start over w/ ubuntu i would wipe the ubuntu drive, restore your windows MBR (https://askubuntu.com/questions/806065/how-to-remove-grub-after-deleting-ubuntu-and-repair-windows-mbr [03:34] madLyfe: actually you're UEFI booting, and have the ESP at /dev/sda1. you should preserve this (since the windows boot code is in there, too) and configure it as the ESP in your new installation. [03:35] and then re-install ubuntu w/ GUI flavor of choice (or install more than one x-window manager if you like) [03:35] i think mine is EFI not MBR: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6Onnj7LZ/image.png [03:37] hmm so apparently you have two efi system partitions, one on sda and one on sdb [03:38] madLyfe: you can also just install ubuntu from the win10 sotware store thing [03:39] if you're referring to ubuntu bash for windows: that's not an ubuntu linux installation. [03:40] i also disabled secure boot and force UEFI. it was a PITA. everything seems to work fine after. [03:41] LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk [03:41] https://www.tweaking4all.com/os-tips-and-tricks/remove-ubuntu-windows-uefi-dualboot/ [03:41] but all i did was install win 10 and installed ubuntu right after just following the instructions. so i figured it just did its thing properly. [03:42] tomreyn: i'm referring to "ubuntu" as available from the windows 10 official software store [03:43] i dont want to remove anything but ubuntu though. [03:43] madLyfe: the link i posted should be all you need [03:43] unholymachine: right, read its explanation, it won't be easily possible to run a GUI that way. it's not a full installation, no linux kernel. [03:43] to restore your system [03:44] tomreyn: admittedly i haven't tried it myself as the last time i used windows as a daily driver was in 2010 [03:44] so you're probably right ? [03:45] hmmm https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OS-Uninstaller [03:47] LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk [03:51] tomreyn https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/yKjerKJB/ [03:51] Hi [03:51] hi, someone likes to give me a hand with my serial port setup? [03:51] madLyfe: yes? [03:52] does that help at all? [03:52] madLyfe: with what? [03:52] the breakdown of my setup? [03:52] does it make it more clear? [03:53] madLyfe: it was already understandable fromyour previous explanation and the screenshots you posted [03:54] ah. i just didnt know what i was supposed to do with tomreyn> hmm so apparently you have two efi system partitions, one on sda and one on sdb [03:54] like is the process more complicated now? [03:55] madLyfe: i would inspect the two efi partitions once you have reinstalled, to find out where the windows boot code is and to move it to the final esp [03:55] madLyfe: for now i'd say, just install. [03:56] what is final esp? [03:56] ...and reuse the esp on sda1 while installing. === Ricky is now known as Guest32854 [03:58] madLyfe: you have two ESPs, you really only need and can use one. so you should plant to use one of the to. i suggest you use the one on sda1. it is possible that the current windows boot code is on sdb1 instead. if so, you may want to move it from there to sda1 after reinstalling linux. [04:00] madLyfe: sorry, i was wrong about the location of the ESP on sdb: it's sdb2, not sbd1 [04:00] if everything is working why does it matter? btw, i didnt know ESP stood for EFI System Partition. [04:01] oh, just ask when you dont know some abbreviations. [04:03] actually you did ask, and i didn't realoze you were inquiring about the term ESP. [04:03] no biggie. [04:05] LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk [04:05] what the hell, I'm missing my groups: [04:05] ~% id [04:05] uid=1000(jelly) gid=1000(jelly) groups=1000(jelly) [04:05] ~% id jelly [04:05] uid=1000(jelly) gid=1000(jelly) groups=1000(jelly),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),108(lpadmin),124(sambashare),999(vboxsf) [04:06] this only happens in the GUI session, not logged in via ssh [04:06] any idea what that could be? [04:06] endojelly: a bug, let me find it. [04:09] endojelly: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/1784964 [04:09] Launchpad bug 1784964 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu) "Regression due to CVE-2018-1116 (processes not inheriting user's supplementary groups )" [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:11] endojelly: if you have a lunchpad account, please login and select the "this bug affects me" option on top [04:11] * lAunchpad :) [04:12] tomreyn: is this a good idea to install? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hSg5Uguj/irccloudcapture3684901502963937482.jpg [04:12] LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk [04:12] hi, I am having trouble to access my ubuntu server via serial console cable. would be glad if someone could have a look at this [04:14] madLyfe: i can'r make the license decision for you. depending no which hardware you have, having it run with proprietary drivers from the start can be useful. such as wireless devices which depend on proprietary drivers or firmware which isnt already distributed with ubuntu (due to licensing restrictions) [04:14] micha234: which ubuntu verison is it? [04:15] I'm just going to go with it. [04:16] tomreyn: its 16.04. i successfully was able to use the serial connection to "dial out" to other devices like switches etc. but somehow i am doing something wrong for "dialing into" the system [04:16] micha234: what have you configured so far? [04:18] so far i enabled serial in bios, enabled it for grub: dmesg|grep tty shows me the serial devices, also does stty/setserial. systemd spawned the "agetty" process for ttyS0 but every time i connect via serial from another machine no login prompt is visible. any ideas on how to troubleshoot that? [04:19] micha234: unfortunatley https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto is apparently outdated. you'll need to find instructions for systemd. [04:19] tomreyn: just an FYI, no option to install along side Ubuntu. just replace. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Mzw0ipJF/irccloudcapture7893593046693236607.jpg [04:20] tomreyn: yes that seems to be the case, but i recognized, that systemd automatically starts a serial-ttyS0 service which creates a unit that respawns an appropriate (at least i think it is) agetty process [04:21] tomreyn: so the init part of the howto is the only obsolete part as far as i can tell [04:22] micha234: i'm afraid i haven't actually setup a serial console on systmed, yet [04:23] documentation i found when i looked for it was not consistent. [04:23] tomreyn: didnt do it for inbound setup neither so far^^ [04:24] https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Virtual_and_serial_console_changes [04:24] i guess i'd try this [04:25] tomreyn: systemd it spawns a process "/sbin/agetty --keep-baud 115200 38400 9600 ttyS0 vt220" which I also tried in various argument variations based on documentations found on the web. it just does not seem to forward to the login prompt somehow. [04:25] will have a read, thanks [04:26] this is mr. systemd's generic how-to http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html [04:26] madLyfe: you wante dto replace, wasnt it? [04:27] hi, is anybody from Iran ? [04:27] madLyfe: the other option i discussed initially was to just install the kubuntu desktop environment on the existing ubuntu installation, and switch this way. [04:27] sim_: do yuo have an ubuntu support question? [04:27] also hi! [04:27] yes I'm proceeding with that as we speak. just letting ppl know there isn't an option to install along side another distro from the wizard. [04:28] we've gone too far now. 😁 [04:29] !ot | sim_, if you'd just like to chat [04:29] sim_, if you'd just like to chat: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [04:30] Hello, can anyone help me, I am trying to move to ubuntu now. [04:30] Jojero: hi. we can try, what's your question? [04:30] well after the reboot I wasn't taken to grub.. windows just booted like I didn't have a dual install. whoops [04:31] But I don't have my 1tb HDD right now, how can I do this I have 2 partitions, 250gb then 250 gb on the 2nd one. [04:31] Can I move my files to the 2nd partition then install linux on the 1st one then move the files to the root of ubuntu after installation then make then ntfs to ext4? [04:32] madLyfe: you can change your bios to boot 'ubuntu' instead. [04:32] I dont wanna dual boot tho, I will ditch windows 10 now as Full Stack Developer, the windows is so unfriendly. [04:35] Jojero: before you install ubuntu, be sure you have proper backups. you can install alongside an existing OS, or choose which partitions to (delete and) install to. if you are going to replace your existing operating system i suggest you just install ubuntu on one (entire) disk, then restore any data you lost when doing so. [04:35] (fomr the backup) [04:36] Oh, alright I need to get my hdd at home. XD btw, what kind of partition scheme will you recommend? [04:36] 500gb, 4gb swap or 8gb swap? 20gb root? rest to the home? Im not sure tho [04:41] tomreyn: ty I was able to get to Kubuntu that way. but it's the same issue after a restart. [04:41] Jojero: depends on a couple factors. ubuntu desktop 18.04.can configure a sane partition scheme automatically if you chgoose so. [04:41] madLyfe: can you choose ubuntu as a permanent boot option on the bios?= [04:41] what you seem to have done now was a boot order override for this single boot only [04:44] Jojero: how much RAM? [04:45] Jojero: if you'll do suspend to disk, you'll need as much swap as you have RAM. but this doesn't have to be a partition, can be a swap *file* on some other partition. if you wont suspend to disk, you'll only need a third or half your ram as swap, unless you're really short of ram. [04:45] is it possible to go back to using grub? [04:45] Ram was 4gb I wanna upgrade it to 8gb at the end of the monh [04:46] Jojero: I generally consider swap optional, but then my use cases never seem to need it. [04:46] Jojero: it's necessary for any PCs you intend to use hibernation (suspend to disk) on. [04:47] madLyfe: once you booted into linux, just make sure the right ESP is mounted to /boot/efi and that the windows boot code is also there, and update and install grub. also make sure os-prober is installed before running update-grub, but this should be the case already. [04:47] Jojero: as for root, you don't need a massive partition. this isn't Windows which needs 15GB+ for a basic install. [04:48] Jojero: i've gotten away with 8GB, but you may want to allocate more for your initial transition. [04:48] My servers use less than 2GB... heh [04:49] Oh haha alright. [04:49] desktop Linux requires a lot more. [04:49] So Can I use my ntfs for backup purposes? [04:50] The existing windows installation? [04:50] Naa I will delete the existing installation [04:50] 232gb for the existing, that what I will delete [04:50] That's a common choice for external drives. [04:50] The 232 gb is another partition but ntfs [04:50] It's writable by non-root users by default on Linux. [04:50] I wanna move my files there first before installing linux [04:51] frankly regular unix file systems get in the way on removable media in typical desktop use cases. [04:51] * tomreyn will take some rest, ttyl [04:51] tomreyn: thanks the debian and 0pointer links you provided reflect what i did so far. so that looks good. wondering why i am not able to do inbound serial connections then. :/ [04:51] But I was thinking if its possible that I could merge my partition ntfs to the main partition on linux [04:52] Jojero: not directly. you need an intermediary to hold data. [04:52] micha234: sorry, i'm heading out, try to get help with this in #ubuntu-server, too [04:52] you can't just convert ntfs to any Linux filesystem. [04:52] good luck [04:52] tomreyn: no worries, thanks for having a look [04:52] I cant just format it? [04:52] Jojero: You can, but your old data is effectively gone. [04:53] like linux partition home <- data transfer <- NTFS [04:53] That's what I mean. [04:53] I mean Im using windows right now [04:53] You need to store any data you wish to keep elsewhere. [04:53] wait, let me explain. [04:53] I thought you were asking about FS conversion. [04:53] Ok.. [04:53] I wanna install linux on the first partition of my windows where win 10 was installed [04:54] Ok.. [04:54] then move my backup files to the 2nd partition ntfs. [04:54] after installation I will bring everything back to the main partition [04:54] and what happens to the 2nd partition? [04:54] then format the 2nd partition ntfs to ext4 or ext3 [04:55] then I wanna merge it to the main partition -> (this where I doubt it's possible bacause of the swap would be in the middle. [04:55] You are correct. drive sectors have to be contiguous to merge partitions. [04:56] But if I shrink the 2nd partition and get 4gb or 8gb from there [04:56] you would need to copy the data to an external drive to pull this off right. [04:56] what do you think? [04:56] Jojero: your partitions are allocated like this? [04:56] yea, my gf got my hdd and shes watching video right now. :/ [04:56] yes yes [04:56] <2nd> [04:56] Uh... [04:56] Yes thats would be like that [04:57] ROOT can only take from SWAP. [04:57] It can't directly take from 2nd. [04:57] <2nd> [04:57] Oh. [04:57] so what if I do it like this, [04:57] Either way, you're basically wanting to swap their positions. [04:57] <2nd> (by shrinking the 2nd partition ntfs) [04:58] Complicated but doable. I don't generally recommend it. [04:58] LRH OFFICIAL: We are not spamming you | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utMUBnl3nk [04:58] Resizing partitions can be a difficult task to get right. [04:58] what you mean doable? [04:59] a litle bit clogged? [04:59] I could resize it, not much files there for now. 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