 @wxl, Ugh, no clue why Phab is down.
 @wxl, O_o
 I'll firefight when I get home.
 (in ~ 2 hours)
 You have SSH access to Phab though, try and figure it out.
[00:44] <wxl> @tsimonq2: nothing obvious to me except you're running on an supported php
[01:53] <wxl> @tsimonq2: oh, i'm finally done with the apport-hook. what i had before wasn't done. this is rock solid and includes all the module settings, the global settings, the session, and the version of related packages including btrfs-progs and xfsprogs https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wvw7zmfqCs/
[01:54] <wxl> oh and just cuz i know it's eating away at you: yes, it's pep8 compliant
[01:56] <wxl> aw gosh darnit i don't have the gall dang quiltrc on here
[01:56] <wxl> hold on let me fix that
 Hey wxl can you add a copyright notice?
 Your choice, Lubuntu Developers or yourself.
[02:02] <wxl> got some boilerplate?
 Check lugito
[02:04] <wxl> um
[02:04] <wxl> fix phab then XD
 Oh right XD
 I'll be home in a jif
[02:04] <wxl> k
[02:06] <wxl> @tsimonq2: found some in masspackagelp
[02:06] <wxl> why is it 2015-2018?
[02:06] <wxl> has it been around that long? :)
 Yup
 @wxl, And the comment style I used in there sucks
 Use # instead of one big """
[02:12] <wxl> i guess i have to add a license too
[02:12] <wxl> freaking gpl
 Yup
 It's super easy to find a plaintext GPL somewhere though
 And to be fair you can license it under whatever you want XD
[02:12] <wxl> i don't care
[02:12] <wxl> i hate copyright
[02:12] <wxl> that's about the end of it
 Hmm, how's the file going to be installed?
[02:14] <wxl> .install file
 So where's your diff for it? XD
[02:15] <wxl> working on it
 Mkay take your time
[02:19] <wxl> quilt makes me crazy
[02:20] <wxl> i cannot get the freaking file to add
[02:20] <wxl> it's making me crazy
[02:21] <wxl> you say i should add and then mv and then refresh, right?
 Yup
[02:26] <wxl> didn't work
[02:27] <wxl> i'm about to throw hands
[02:28] <wxl> this is the stupidest stuff
 Chill out :)
 Got your full history here?
 I'll be happy to take a look and point it out.
[02:34] <wxl> https://share.riseup.net/#VcB2_vW8pX2WTqckYMCqgQ
[02:34] <wxl> i got to go. brb.
[02:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: Phab fixed.
[02:35] <tsimonq2> wxl: Uhm, you switched the mv and add commands again :)
[03:02] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you literally just told me to that in response to my question above
[03:02] <wxl> @tsimonq2: anyways what was wrong with phab?
[03:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: I had to update Phab and reboot the server.
[03:02] <wxl> yikes that's a strange way of telling you to update
[03:02] <tsimonq2> Phab is just running from a Git repo in /srv/phab fwiw.
[03:02] <tsimonq2> hahahahaha
[03:02] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[03:03] <wxl> i caught that much
[03:03] <tsimonq2> It did have me go through and rescan all commits because of some code change they did that makes identification better.
[03:04] <wxl> here's the reverse, which also fails https://share.riseup.net/#opI_VZ-TFq_wZZv-xxENlw
[03:05] <tsimonq2> Start over. Here's how I would do it from scratch:
[03:05] <tsimonq2> quilt new foo-bar.patch
[03:05] <tsimonq2> quilt add LICENSE
[03:05] <wxl> dumb
[03:05] <tsimonq2> mv .../././././//... (wherever XD) LICENSE
[03:05] <tsimonq2> quilt refresh
[03:06] <tsimonq2> Then it *should* be good.
[03:06] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[03:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: So, we have a heisenbug.
[03:08] <tsimonq2> Falkon apparently "constantly crashes.
[03:08] <tsimonq2> "
[03:08] <wxl> yeah well i doubt it
[03:08] <tsimonq2> I can't reproduce it on any system I had.
[03:08] <wxl> but i bet it fails on some "normal" stuff like gmail
[03:08] <tsimonq2> And three different people have told me this.
[03:08] <tsimonq2> Three.
[03:08] <tsimonq2> One told me it was fixed after a reinstall.
[03:09] <tsimonq2> Soooooo whaaaaaaaaaaa
[03:09] <wxl> do you use it as your browser and only browser?
[03:09] <tsimonq2> I don't personally.
[03:09] <tsimonq2> I use Firefox.
[03:09] <wxl> then do that because that's what these people are essentially trying to do
[03:09] <tsimonq2> I have spent a few hours just messing with it and it works just fine.
[03:09] <wxl> that's the thing
[03:09] <tsimonq2> Doing what I normally do, screwing around, clicking on random links @VikingRedwolf sends me. XD
[03:09] <wxl> don't mess with it. use it
[03:09] <wxl> no, none of that
[03:10] <tsimonq2> hahahaha
[03:13] <guiverc_d> tsimonq2, re: your last dev.post & 18.10 feedback.  FYI: I'm having issues with wireless connections (hidden ssid); lubuntu 16.04 no issue, xubuntu 18.10 (x86) daily no issue, & card is recognized on lubu 18.10. I got it once, rebooted to try & confirm my steps and nope. otherwise lubuntu 18.10 (32bit) is great.  I've assumed issue is user (me) error, and maybe more doco (wiki, info on lubuntu.me..) is needed 
[03:13] <guiverc_d> for idiots like me  (I'm still fighting with it though)
[03:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^
[03:13] <tsimonq2> Absolutely related to the "we ain't got a GUI for that yet" thing.
[03:13] <wxl> is it?
[03:13] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[03:14] <tsimonq2> It's my bet.
[03:14] <wxl> guiverc_d: were you able to add the connection?
[03:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: NVIDIA drivers don't like SDDM] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56
[03:16] <guiverc_d> i thought I had it once, with notes on back envelope - i rebooted to confirm I'd had steps (was going to offer to create wiki), alas not again...  (or I'd forgotten to disable ethernet; needed to install xterm so tricked myself).. 
[03:16] <wxl> well that was annoying
[03:16] <wxl> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DcGcnxDPP7/
[03:16] <wxl> here you go @tsimonq2 
[03:17] <wxl> guiverc_d: so what steps are you taking to accomplish it and where is it failing?
[03:17] <wxl> like, try again, right now
[03:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T57: Proper HiDPI] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T57
[03:19] <tsimonq2> wxl: Two things...
[03:19] <guiverc_d> i just rebooted into xub 18.10 to re-test cli steps there.. switching back to lubu 18.10 daily) - tell you when it's up
[03:19] <tsimonq2> If you don't really care, just set it to GPL 3 and use the already existing LICENSE file in the Cala source.
[03:19] <wxl> feel free. i'm over it
[03:19] <tsimonq2> And you might want to put your name in debian/copyright as well. :)
[03:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T58: Make more things in our metapackage a recommends] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58
[03:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T37: Figure out a good solution for backing up Phab] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T37#1095
[03:26] <guiverc_d> wxl, okay lubuntu daily is up, xterm added & ethernet disabled
[03:26] <wxl> guiverc_d: so now try to add the connection
[03:29] <tsimonq2> wxl: You play with Bluetooth at all yet with the daily?
[03:29] <tsimonq2> Someone's telling me they can't get their mouse to stay connected.
[03:29] <wxl> no
[03:29] <tsimonq2> Mkay.
[03:29] <guiverc_d> edit connection, add, details added (pyramid (ssid), adhoc, wpa2, password..) no ping or info in iwconfig visible
[03:30] <tsimonq2> I have a laptop with bluetooth support, I'll play with it tomorrowish wxl.
[03:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: Apparently he had to install blueman O_o
[03:32] <guiverc_d> wxl - that is as far as I've gotten via panel.config, my prior attempts were via cli
[03:33] <wxl> guiverc_d: what about other connections? problems there?
[03:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59
[03:33] <wxl> well i'm jetting for tonight
[03:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: Have fun.
[03:34] <tsimonq2> Don't let the bedbugs bite. XD
[03:38] <guiverc_d> no issues with ethernet connection; my wifi skills are none & I've got a load of commands I've tried scrawled on back of envelopes (eg. nmcli dev wifi connect pyramid password ...` etc  - the laptop can't use my "n" connection so can't try that sorry
[03:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T41: Test the Openbox SRU] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41#1112
[03:40] <guiverc_d> would the hidden SSID make any difference?? (I tried to enable another AP without hidden, but no luck there which was issue with device itself)
[03:40] <tsimonq2> I think so... I'll test myself.
[03:40] <tsimonq2> Thanks!
[03:42] <wxl> i'm back for a bit
[03:42] <tsimonq2> Hey boss.
[03:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T9: Recruitment campaign] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T9#1113
[03:42] <wxl> @tsimonq2: look above for my other concern. things were thought fixed not fixed
[03:43] <wxl> and xfsprogs is still not in there yet it seems
[03:43] <tsimonq2> wxl: You know why?
[03:43] <tsimonq2> Because lubuntu-meta isn't sponsored yet. :P
[03:43] <wxl> ok that's one down
[03:43] <wxl> what about the other?
[03:43] <tsimonq2> Huh?
[03:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T17: Better communication to downstream projects/forks] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17#1115
[03:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T7: Canonical hosting for lubuntu.me] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T7#1116
[03:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T33: Configure OEM] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T33#1117
[03:46] <wxl> @tsimonq2: 1552 < wxl:#lubuntu-devel> @tsimonq2: after install, xterm is the local (higher priority) default for pcmanfm-qt and 
[03:46] <wxl>                            our change for nm-tray has somehow reverted? 
[03:46] <wxl>                            https://share.riseup.net/#WIaVtEjgsV-4YpTLWCwBlQ
[03:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1118
[03:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: Uhh, our nm-tray fix was applied in the first place?
[03:47] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nm-tray/0.4.0-0ubuntu2
[03:47] <tsimonq2> That's stuck in -proposed with Qt.
[03:48] <wxl> god darnit
[03:48] <wxl> the xterm one is perplexing
[03:48] <wxl> i don't k now what's setting local but that sux bad
[03:52] <wxl[m]> Finally
[03:52] <wxl[m]> Need certfp for Matrix
[03:52] <tsimonq2> Waaaaaaait a minute... I think I know what the problem is!
 (Photo, 1023x765) https://i.imgur.com/mxFrZWS.jpg Whatcha smokin'? XD
[03:54] <tsimonq2> wxl: That's on a fresh daily.
[03:55] <wxl> so was mine
[03:55] <wxl> OH
[03:55] <wxl> i think i know
[03:55] <wxl> autologin
[03:56] <wxl> started LXQt and THAT set it to xterm
[03:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yuuuuuuuuuuuup.
[03:56] <tsimonq2> That'll be it.
[03:56] <wxl> so fix autologin and we're done
[03:56] <tsimonq2> Right.,
[03:56] <tsimonq2> s/,//
[03:56] <wxl> i'll read that code and figure it out
[03:56] <tsimonq2> Love you long time.
[03:56] <wxl> bai
[03:56] <tsimonq2> Bai, ttyl.
[03:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: Tomorrow I prepare for Portland!
[03:56] <tsimonq2> weeeeeeeeeeee
[12:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T60: Improved Wallpapers] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T60
[15:06] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> @wxl, An update in the wallpaper issue. I tried all the wallpaper setter that are in ubuntu repositories: Feh, Nitrogen and Variety. Nitrogen and Feh appear to be good options being able to manage the 2 monitors w/o problems. Nitrogen has gui and feh does not. At this moment I haven't been able to set the wallpaper in nitrogen via command line, which is bad for scripts, only via the gui, Feh works ok via commandline. Variety runs in
[15:06] <lubot5> backround continously changing wallpaper, and I couldn't find out how to manage multiple monitors. Should I post this update in launchpad?
[15:13] <wxl> morning @Hans and thanks for the update. throw that in the bug report, please
 Morning Hans Möller and wxl
[15:14] <wxl> i think we probably want to avoid nitrogen, as it's gtk and not qt
[15:16] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> Moring @tsimonq2, is there a problem with the translations page? It gives me a 502 error https://translate.lubuntu.me/translate/lubuntu/calamares-settings-lubuntu-desktop/es/?type=all
[15:17] <wxl> @tsimonq2: weblate not running?
 @wxl, Weblate is running but it'd going through uswgi
[15:18] <wxl> @tsimonq2: whatcha mean?
 @wxl, Weblate is running through uswgi.
[15:19] <wxl> @tsimonq2: how does that help us identify and resolve the problem? :)
[15:21] <wxl> i mean the fact that it's running in uwsgi would make me think it would be less likely to have a problem
[15:21] <wxl> so i might read your statement as "it will fix itself"
[15:28] <wxl> @Hans another thing that might help is searching GitHub and GitLab for a similar application. If it *SOUNDS* like it would work, I could (A) teach you how to compile it (B) compile it for you, though (A) would be preferable as if it's not a self-contained binary, it would be sort of a pain in the butt to build the debian packaging bits just so i can make a .deb for you.
[15:30] <wxl> @Hans if we find something that works, i'd be more than happy to *at least* build up that packaging and throw it in a ppa and we could have other folks test it. I'd be happy to set it up to autograb new releases (or just built off of master) and generate new versions but I don't know I want to maintain it
[15:36] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> @wxl, ok, I will search, if the instructions are complete I would have no problem compiling it. I was also thinking that maybe I could program a qt gui for feh. But I would have to learn which languages to use.
[15:37] <wxl> @Hans a GUI would be great! I think most people programming in Qt use C++ tho…
[15:37] <wxl> although I think perhaps I've seen Python, too
[15:43] <wxl> @Hans try https://wiki.qt.io/Basic_Qt_Programming_Tutorial and https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_for_Beginners
[15:44] <wxl> @Hans ah ha here's PyQt if you'd rather do Python (you would) https://wiki.python.org/moin/PyQt
[15:44] <wxl> There's a ton of tutorials https://wiki.python.org/moin/PyQt/Tutorials
[15:46] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> thanks!
[15:46] <wxl> no thank you! i really appreciate you taking this on so completely!
[15:49] <lubot5> <Hans Möller> I think I go with python, I've never use python, but I've always wanted to use it, C++ I've used it like 15 years ago.
[15:50] <wxl> Python is very readable and functional. Some crucial utilities we use all the time (apport, pastebinit) are Python
 Correction: most.
 Canonical loooooooves it.
[15:50] <wxl> true enough
[15:50] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-default-settings [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.54.1]
[15:51] <tsimonq2> Anyway hai.
[15:51] <tsimonq2> oooOOOooo our settings package has been accepted.
[15:51] <wxl> I have a sneaking suspicion you'd get better performance with C++ but whatever :)
[15:51] <wxl> Unapproved?
[15:51] <wxl> or that's just for bionic?
[15:51] <tsimonq2> wxl: I uploaded that to the SRU queue a few days ago (at least).
[15:51] <tsimonq2> For Bionic.
[15:51] <tsimonq2> That removes the QLubuntu session.
[15:51] <wxl> ah k
[15:51] <wxl> so you get a sponsor for the seed yet?
[15:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: After that's through, I have a fix for the duplicate network icon.
[15:52] <tsimonq2> uhhhh what? XD
[15:52] <wxl> you said tthe fix for the seed that includes xfsprogs required a sponsor
[15:52] <tsimonq2> For YOU.
[15:52] <tsimonq2> I want your name on it so it can count towards your uploads.
[15:52] <wxl> ah
[15:52] <tsimonq2> To show that you know your stuff.
[15:53] <wxl> good on you
[15:53] <tsimonq2> I'm already an Ubuntu Core Developer; there is little that I don't have commit access to now. :)
[15:53] <wxl> ok what about the calamares debdiff?
[15:53] <tsimonq2> uhhh
[15:53] <tsimonq2> oh
[15:53] <tsimonq2> right
[15:53] <wxl> need the link again?
[15:53] <tsimonq2> Throw that at me again?
[15:53] <tsimonq2> yeah.
[15:53] <wxl> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DcGcnxDPP7/
[15:53] <tsimonq2> Love you long time.
[15:53] <wxl> right back at you, babe
[15:54] <tsimonq2> XD
[15:54]  * wxl goes back to reading https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/762ad543440df3f1a54d3b02dc471867718cf75c/src/modules/displaymanager/main.py
[15:54] <tsimonq2> wxl: Oh and btw, you might want to see if highvoltage (Debian maintainer for Cala) wants to keep the apport hook in Debian.
 (Photo, 714x96) https://i.imgur.com/qd6jmC5.jpg wxl, two things wrong with this. :P
[15:55] <tsimonq2> The date is in UTC, not your own timezone and whitespace.
[15:56] <tsimonq2> I can fix both, but just so ya know. :)
[15:56] <wxl> @tsimonq2: let's get it in first
[15:56] <wxl> ugh. this is the problem with being in a container
[15:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: This needs to be an orly book XD
[15:57] <wxl> i'll fix the locale now
[15:57] <tsimonq2> "Hacking changelog entries manually."
[15:57] <tsimonq2> wxl: Already all good.
[15:57] <tsimonq2> :P
[15:58]  * tsimonq2 runs the stats on wxl's package uploads.
[15:58] <wxl> locale fixed
[15:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: Have you ever heard of UDD?
[15:58] <wxl> uh no
[15:58] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase
[15:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUDEFAULTSETTINGSARCHIVE9522a6b22792: DSC file for 0.54.1] Diffusion committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUDEFAULTSETTINGSARCHIVE9522a6b22792
[15:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUDEFAULTSETTINGSARCHIVEe104babd7e91: Import patches-unapplied version 0.54.1 to ubuntu/bionic-proposed] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUDEFAULTSETTINGSARCHIVEe104babd7e91
[15:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUDEFAULTSETTINGSARCHIVEe746fac8f008: Import patches-applied version 0.54.1 to applied/ubuntu/bionic-proposed] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUDEFAULTSETTINGSARCHIVEe746fac8f008
[15:59] <tsimonq2> Database queries about uploads.
[16:02] <wxl> how did you look up stuff on me specifically @tsimonq2 ?
[16:02] <tsimonq2> I was just about to get back to you with that. :)
[16:02] <tsimonq2> psql --host=udd-mirror.debian.net --user=udd-mirror udd --password
[16:02] <tsimonq2> Password is "udd-mirror"
[16:03] <tsimonq2> I did select source, version, date, signed_by_name, changed_by_name from ubuntu_upload_history where changed_by_name = 'Walter Lapchynski';
[16:03] <tsimonq2> So far I see four Lubuntu-related uploads.
[16:03] <tsimonq2> Soon to be five with Calamares.
[16:03] <tsimonq2> And more incoming when Qt migrates from -proposed.
[16:04] <tsimonq2> Aim for 25 uploads with my name on it and I'll sponsor you.
[16:04] <tsimonq2> (Well, with me as sponsor and *your* name on it, really.)
[16:07] <wxl> ugh the wifi is making me murderous
[16:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: Bad connection?
[16:09] <wxl> it keeps dropping in and out
[16:09] <tsimonq2> Sounds fun.
[16:09] <wxl> whoa look at all that k stuff :)
[16:09] <tsimonq2> Yup.
[16:10] <tsimonq2> The funny thing is that I sponsored all of it. XD
[16:10] <tsimonq2> (Well, *most* of it.
[16:10] <tsimonq2> )
[16:13] <wxl> 80 uploads signed by you, @tsimonq2 
[16:13] <tsimonq2> Yup, but there's a difference.
[16:13] <tsimonq2> Do you want to go for MOTU or just Lubuntu PPU?
[16:13] <wxl> motu, eventually, so what's the criteria?
[16:14] <wxl> meaning whow do i need to modify this query?
[16:14] <tsimonq2> You might be interested in this, by the way: https://udd.debian.org/schema/udd.html
[16:14] <tsimonq2> I'm having it also select component and distribution locally then.
[16:14] <wxl> you can just \d
[16:15] <wxl> anyways i'm not sweating that right now
[16:15] <wxl> look at this https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/762ad543440df3f1a54d3b02dc471867718cf75c/src/modules/displaymanager/main.py#L385
[16:15] <wxl> note that it first sets the local displaymanagers to the config value (for us, sddm)
[16:15] <wxl> but then sets it to the value in "globalstorage"
[16:15] <wxl> i don't know what that is, or if it's a problem
[16:16] <wxl> probably not
[16:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: libcalamares.job.configuration grabs from the YAML file and globalstorage makes it accessible to other modules if needed.
[16:17] <wxl> this also strikes me as somewhat strange in that it looks for "default_desktop_environment" in the configuration but then sets a local variable to "defaultDesktopEnvironment"
[16:17] <tsimonq2> yeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhh
[16:17] <tsimonq2> Maybe that's it.
[16:17] <tsimonq2> Maybe patch that line locally to say defaultDesktopEnvironment instead and try it out.
[16:17] <wxl> because the else clause there is goes searching for the desktop environment
[16:18] <wxl> because if that's the case, it looks for a list of known sessions and obviously lubuntu is not one of them but lxqt is
[16:40] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i think if i can confirm that installing calamares WITHOUT autologin does indeed set the session as lxqt, then i'm probably on the right path
[16:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: But it doesn't.
[16:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: Also, Qt IS READY TO MIGRATE. >:D
[16:40] <wxl> are you sure?
[16:41] <tsimonq2> Yeah, WITHOUT autologin defaults to "Lubuntu".
[16:41] <wxl> fuck
[16:41] <wxl> sorry everyone, for the language
[16:41] <tsimonq2> !language | wxl 
[16:41] <tsimonq2> XD
[16:42] <wxl> well i'll mess with it more later. i gotta go to work
[16:42] <tsimonq2> Have fun.
[16:42] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm gonna kick Qt more.
[16:42] <wxl> have fun
[16:56] <apt-ghetto> hi tsimonq2
[16:56] <tsimonq2> Hey apt-ghetto, how are you?
[16:56] <apt-ghetto> i'm fine
[16:57] <tsimonq2> What's up?
[16:57] <apt-ghetto> i have a question: is Lubuntu 14.04 still supported?
[16:57] <tsimonq2> Hehe, that's a ... tough question. :)
[16:57] <tsimonq2> We never announced the EOL.
[16:57] <tsimonq2> And it still gets security support.
[16:57] <tsimonq2> So, my answer is "yes, but less than other LTSes"
[16:57] <apt-ghetto> yes, but in the ubuntu mailing list it is announced, that it is supported 3 years
[16:58] <tsimonq2> We'll have a clear three year cutoff for 16.04.
[16:58] <tsimonq2> apt-ghetto: After that, since we have upload access anyway, we've been providing updates anyway.
[16:58] <tsimonq2> I would have liked to cut it off but that didn't exactly happen. :)
[16:59] <apt-ghetto> on lubuntu.me/downloads there is a picture at the end
[16:59] <tsimonq2> Yup.
[16:59] <tsimonq2> We "support" it.
[16:59] <tsimonq2> That's my stace.
[16:59] <apt-ghetto> so, all lxde packages in universe are still supported by you
[16:59] <tsimonq2> Right.
[17:00] <apt-ghetto> good to know
[17:00] <apt-ghetto> another thing: in the commit message for lubuntu-default-settings 0.54.1 you wrote "impresssion"
[17:01] <tsimonq2> I did, yeah.
[17:01] <tsimonq2> I noticed it only after uploading it. :P
[17:02] <apt-ghetto> thanks for your time
[17:02] <tsimonq2> apt-ghetto: You're welcome to stick around. :)
[17:38] <wxl> yep, it's running the lxqt session that sets pcmanfm-qt to xterm
[17:43] <tsimonq2> We found that out last night.
[17:44] <wxl> interesting that loading lubuntu session first and then loading lxqt session does not change the Terminal in pcmanfm-qt
[17:44] <wxl> so this whole xterm business will most certainly go away if we can figure out the calamares session thing
[17:55] <tsimonq2> Right.
[17:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Autologin with Cala is borked] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#1127
[18:32] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you're wrong. 
[18:32] <wxl> after a non-autologin install, sddm.conf includes Session=lxqt under the Autologin stanza
[18:32] <tsimonq2> I am? :)
[18:32] <tsimonq2> uhhhhhhhhhh
[18:32] <tsimonq2> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
[18:33] <tsimonq2> #BlameAlf
[18:33] <tsimonq2> :P
[18:33] <wxl> there's no username, so it doesn't autologin
[18:33] <wxl> actually maybe not
[18:33] <wxl> i'm still thinking it might be calamares
[18:38] <wxl> so the "set_autologin" function is ALWAYS run by the displaymanager module
[18:38] <wxl> it works basically like this:
[18:39] <wxl>  1. set autologin unless there's no username*
[18:40] <wxl>  2. add autologin to sddm.conf if it's not there
[18:41] <wxl>  3. if autologin is set, add user to sddm.conf; otherwise remove it if it's there
[18:41] <wxl>  4. assuming there's a desktop environment, set session in sddm.conf
[18:42] <wxl> *assumedly main calamares passes this value (username) as a way of indicating the value of autologin because i don't see how it could be none
[18:43] <wxl> if any of that fails (such as there being no desktop environment, which is strange), there's a general failure that is logged ("Display manager configuration was incomplete")
[18:45] <wxl> we start out with sddm.conf in live with Autologin('User=lubuntu', 'Session=Lubuntu.desktop')
[18:45] <wxl> if we made a user foobar with autologin set, it SHOULD go:
[18:45] <wxl>  1. set autologin
[18:46] <wxl>  2. change User to foobar from lubuntu (sorry when i said "add" above, i should have set "set")
[18:46] <wxl>  3. set Session to Lubuntu
[18:47] <wxl> and if autologin is NOT set, it SHOULD go:
[18:47] <wxl>  1. don't set autologin
[18:47] <wxl>  2. remove User from Autologin
[18:47] <wxl>  3. set Session to Lubuntu
[18:48] <wxl> and all of that is true EXCEPT for the fact that it's pulling in lxqt instead of Lubuntu
[18:49] <wxl> and the only way i can see it being set to lxqt is:
[18:49] <wxl>  1. conf file not set correctly
[18:49] <wxl>  2. conf file not being parsed correctly
[18:50] <wxl>  3. conf file doesn't exist
[18:52] <wxl> well, those are the xplanations for it not being set to what we want
[18:53] <wxl> that code i replied to the github issue MUST be where the issue is
[18:53] <wxl> basically, it's "if desktop environment is set in the config, use it; otherwise run the function that WILL result in lxqt being set"
[18:56] <wxl> i can also say there *IS* a displaymanager set SOMEWHERE because otherwise, it would complain
[21:27] <jsubl2> downloaded the daily today.  looking good so far
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[21:27] <wxl> 404
 @wxl, Yup
[21:46] <wxl> search for >>> here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wz3jkQcbmF/ I'm gonna find this thing if it's the last thing I do
[21:54] <wxl> oops type error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d7hHJkVYhc/
[21:54] <wxl> totally not pep8 compliant anyways; don't kill me
[23:16] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i tracked down the autologin issue
[23:17] <wxl> @tsimonq2: tl;dr there is a bug upstream but also it's your fault XD
[23:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Autologin with Cala is borked] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#1128
[23:43] <wxl> here's healthy focus on lightweight @tsimonq2 https://www.deepin.org/en/2018/08/20/deepin-15-7-enjoy-the-better-performance/ we might want to find out what they did to reduce power usage and memory consumption