 @Mattia990, Share it on xiaomi communites. They have some pretty big fanboys that are also powerusers or at least are trting to be :)
 Thank you for your work!
[00:15] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> status of andbox on ut 16.04 rc
 It's not part of the RC. Follow news channel and Q&As for updates
[01:28] <ubptgbot> Gabriel Goulart was added by: Gabriel Goulart
 ¿Cómo hacer para que los desarrolladores de UBports añadan soporte a nuevos modelos de celular? … Tengo un Samsung Lite...
 no es algo así como "pedir" un nuevo modelo de celular... El trabajo de portar un teléfono por lo general es de bastantes meses y sin garantía de éxito. … No obstante hay un proyecto que se llama Halium. Con Halium se pretende facilitar el trabajo de portar nuevos dispositivos aunque no conozco muy bien los detalles
 @cc4rll0s, Carlos, recordá que este es el grupo en inglés; tenemos otro en español también...
 @Gorsh2, I didn`t realized that. Sorry. 😅😓
 @Xray2000, FaceBook watching your money is exactly like theif being made CEO of a bank ... … It make absolutely zero sense even to a crazy man. … I don't even have Facebook installed on my phone anymore. … Don't trust FB at all....
 -> @ubports_ot
[04:03] <ubptgbot> Dmitry B was added by: Dmitry B
[04:34] <ubptgbot> <Levis Raju> I have a redmi 2 prime / wt88047 and if anyone has a port of Ubuntu touch for it, please share
[05:44] <ubptgbot> KfGwXppI74 was added by: KfGwXppI74
 I know that is so expensive, but I think that buying a supported  second hand phone is a better aproach to ubports.
 For example I buid a second hand Nexus 5 and Ubports works like a charm in it.
 (I bought, sorry for my so bad English)
 @Mattia990, Oh that's great, well done! There seem to be a lot of people coming to the group looking for Xiaomi ports.
 Hi, ubports support whatsdapp?
 @Andreaussi, No
[07:31] <ubptgbot> Jay McCann was added by: Jay McCann
 @Andreaussi, At some point, there will be Anbox. But even then we won't 'support' WhatsApp 😂
 Whatsapp won't support ubports is what the main problem is :)
 Is there any technical reason Whatsapp couldn't work on ubports or is it just that they won't without a big enough market share?
 telegram and matrix work just fine; i'm assuming it's the low market share
 It's just annoying because everybody seems to use whatsapp instead on sms now (in my experience)
 yeah, even when i prefer matrix for several reason there's still a crowd of people out there. I hope anbox will make it somewhat-usable
 @JasonMD, I have had success persuading friends and family to use Signal.  That works well with UT
 hmm forgot about signal, I'll take a look, won't be able to get everyone to change..
 @JasonMD, If Facebook can't spy & track & milk the user, they are not interested in such user running privacy minded clients. … That's why, from a technical point of view, they block all the third-parties efforts in such direction
 Ah right
 That makes more sense
 Hi. Can you ad Navigation Buttons (Cursor left, right,...) and Copy and Paste Buttons at the Keyboard, please. I have " Wurstfinger" (thick fingers).
 Long press on the space bar opens the edit cursor
 @toam_n, Hold down on space bar to get cursor movement
 😊
 ahem 😂
 Sorry, dont work. The Keyboard changed to a blank Keyboard
 ok! i got it
 yeah, don't lift your finger and drag ;)
 👍
 Tanks!
 Welcome
 You made my life easier
 Sorry, i mean Thanks! Not Panzer
 @padraic7a, Thank you!
 So, i would like to have a copy and paste move!  :)
 think of a possible way on how to implement that and create an issue...you never know, someone might implement it
 @toam_n, But Panzer Girls is a great show. :)
 Fwd from dohbee: But Panzer Girls is a great show. :)
 @dohbee, I like it too
 if I were a panzer girl , I would probably go to this school: Schwarzwaldgipfel-Mädchenschule
 based on my home country.
 in the 90' i read the Tank Girl Comics.
 'Slightly' off topic 😉
 Its strongly off topic :)
 mmm, yeah, i don't think that anime features ubuntu/unity in it :)
 The Tanks run with Ubuntu Linux ;)
 I just realized why you mentioned Panzer … I remember Panzer Front for PS1 LOL … offtopic :)
 Thanks > Tanks = in german Panzer
 Oh, you played games on the SuperFamicom with CD Driv. ;)
 sorry. there's @ubports_ot for off topic chat, if you want to continue the discussion :)
[10:09] <ubptgbot> DjyHMpxW92 was added by: DjyHMpxW92
 And Now for Something completky different: … Can we implement a Keyboard layout in the OS wide Layout (English, German, ...)like the Terminal Keyboard ?
 i'm not sure i understand the question exactly. Terminal relies on the system OSK
 With this solutation, you can switch everywhere from normal layout to the Interface navigation with commands layout
 oh, you're asking for the command key features in terminal app, to be merged to the OSK?
 i have the problem, my fingertips are damaged. and the screen of my nexus 5 is small. the Keyboard buttons are small.
 @dohbee, yes, sir
 yes, i would say there are certainly some accessibility issues in various parts of UT, including the keyboard
 i'm not sure adding the full command key stuff from terminal app makes sense, though
 but if you could, please open an issue at https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch describing the issues you're facing (please describe the problems, rather than suggested solutions)
 i dont want the full Kommandos
 commands
 i know
 i think about a solution for me and other peaple with fingertips handycap abd small screens. :)
 but a vague feature request, rather than a description of a problem, may be interpreted wrongly and lead to overly complex implementations (c.f. MS Office)
 which is why it's better to describe the problems, and then later have a discussion about solutions with developers/designers, and trust that they can do the right thing :)
 ok. tank you!
 i think so. yoe, the devs and peaple around UBports are my heroes.
 with your work, i can live slightly in freedom
 :)
 sorry for my bad english. my school l teacher was not good in english.
 no problem
 Dankeschön!
 there's also @UBports_Deutsch if you wish to join the German speaking group :)
 im in it too
 great 👍
 Have a nice day. Thank you for all the fish. ;)
 cheers
 Im goibg to my desk and think about the number 42
[10:39] <ubptgbot> Dalpat Singh was added by: Dalpat Singh
[10:41] <ubptgbot> <Dalpat Singh> Hey guys... joined this group for first time, interested in porting ubuntu touch on samsung devices
 Welcom Dalpat! That is fantastic to hear! Have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get started in this community. For porting, you are looking for the Halium project in particular.
 ...which isn't directly linked there.
 https://t.me/halium
[10:45] <ubptgbot> <Dalpat Singh> @peternerlich, Thankyou. I read about it on official wiki. Looks complicated, but I have a spare galaxy note 4 therefore I will surely try to port :)
 Perfect. Have a good stay and good luck!
[10:47] <ubptgbot> <Dalpat Singh> 🤠
[13:12] <ubptgbot> mr_annonymouss was added by: mr_annonymouss
 Any one send me the link for Ubuntu Nexus 5
 Download
 the supported devices list is in the group description, and that page has instructions on how to install
 it is not an Android ROM, so you cannot download a zip and install via TWRP, if that's what you're asking for
 Yes
 Then how do i
 Install
 You look at the group description, follow the link and follow the instructions.
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ is how
 Ubport installer is enough to install. Ubuntu on bexuw 5
 *Nexus 5
 Or any external files needed to download
 yes
 you need to have adb/fastboot installed
 and bootloader needs to be unlocked
 I don't have Ubuntu in pc
 Windows only I have
 it runs on windows. you need to install the google adb driver package
 @dohbee, Already unlocked
 Now I am running custom rom
 Just tell me step
 Through window
 S
 follow the instructions on the web site
 It has only through Ubuntu
 When you get to "install ubuntu touch" select "WIndows"
 Ok then
 @alan_griffiths, U meam ubport installer
 @alan_griffiths
 ??
 You have been given the links to the UBports installer and the details of how to use it. Please take the time to read that
[13:51] <ubptgbot> jeevanreddy1999 was added by: jeevanreddy1999
 Okay I think this payday I'm going to order that meizu.
 I found out a family member has AT&T and has an old tablet they don't use much anymore but has a SIM card. They're gonna let me use the card for the phone.
 Does the Signal-app work the same way in UBports as it does in andorid (so that it can become the standard sms-app). I'm currently using Signal on my Android-phone and would like to continue doing so.
 No, it is a separate app
 SMS still comes through Messaging
 Someone on here once told me that there was some form if it that works on there though
 I'm not sure if Signal for UT can be used on the same account as Signal for Android... I don't think that the system is set up for that
 It's worth a try though
 Could the electron app that works on ubuntu desktop work?
 No, there is a native app.
 oh okay nice
 @UniversalSuperBox, OK - just to be clear: Are you saying that my current signal app, that I've opted for as "default text-message app", is still running via the sms-service, or just that it will only be able to function in that way on UB?
 *UT
 @lindisfarne, I think he's saying that sms will function on the phone but signal won't
 Signal will get Signal messages, Messaging will get SMS and MMS messages
 ohhh so it'd be just another messenger, not 2in1?
 Correct.
 my bad. Not optional but I could live with that
 Currently there is no way to hook into SMS on UT. Only the built-in app can receive those messages.
 understood. What's standing in the way of tieing them together?
 The ability to receive messages from anything except the Messages app
 There is no API for it
 ah okay
 Thank you for the reply. Fingers crossed that one day it will work on UT too :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, and IMO, there shouldn't be. that's exactly how FB ends up reading all your messages that aren't on FB too
 that said the opposite would be usefull :^3
[16:34] <ubptgbot> 仰望星空 was added by: 仰望星空
 Does anyone know if the Fairphone2 supports these frequencies: … HSPA network on the 1700 and 2100 MHz frequencies, also known as AWS or Band 4. AWS-3 or Band 66 frequency.  … When I put the SIM in FP2 it only connects to roaming networks.
 @exar_kun, https://www.frequencycheck.com/models/ARX3x/fairphone-2-fp2-dual-sim-lte
 so "nope"
 @dohbee, Ok. Thanks for translating. I had trouble making sure.
 Also: is there a good way to save the contacts from my android phone so I can get them on the other phone with UBT?
 I haven't tried lately, but I think that we have import of .vcf files
 @UniversalSuperBox, we do
 In Android you can go to Settings from the Contacts app and export a .vcf file
 Then put that file on your UT device, open it with the File Manager and send it to the Contacts app
 In Android contacts app you can export vcard (vcf)
 Oh, you were faster
 Ok. Any links on a how-to for the not-so-tech-savvy?
 Ah, cheers for the reply Dalton. Didn't see that before.
 Great chat with so many helpful people!
 :D
 @UniversalSuperBox, I am also not sure but I think the bestvway would be to create an account in UT, then have Android as second device, rather than the other way round
 @lindisfarne, If you saved to SIM you should be able to recover those
 @UniversalSuperBox, [Edit] I am also not sure but I think the best way would be to create an account in UT, then have Android as second device, rather than the other way round
[17:24] <ubptgbot> Jimmy Otica was added by: Jimmy Otica
 @Stereofont, that loses 90% of the details, and creates duplicates if contacts have more than 1 number, plus you can only store 200 or something, on the SIM
 or maybe less. i forget exact number
 True. But it is simple 😊
 @Stereofont, simple would be just having your contacts in google, and signing into your account on UT, and letting them sync
 which, if you're a non-technical user, you've probably already got them synced to google anyway
 which is not gonna fly with google ehehehe
 btw since i heard the term hdmi-cec yesterday i've been reminded of one part of convergence we haven't heard about in a while "Ubuntu TV"
 flees
 there is no ubuntu tv
 Ubuntu on an intel compute stick with kodi? I guess
 ubuntu TV was based on Unity 7 right?
 no
 @dohbee, Nextcloud is another contacts sync mechanism not yet mentioned but more for advanced users admittedly
 @Javacookies, the demoware might have been, but if things went anywhere, it would have been unity8 too
 yeah I meant the ones they showed in the public
 but it was all very demoware
 but CES2012 we were still doing ubuntu one file sync, with music store and stuff
 I guess Canonical likes announcing things in demoware state LOL
 ohw it wasn't even a prototype hmmm
 @Javacookies, everyone does
 Yes, the announcement was "here's this technology opportunity, partner with us and we'll help you select the hardware and build the software."
 We announced Anbox support before it existed
 So
 yeah
 Nobody was willing to put a powerful processor or enough memory into a TV to run it.  So they didn't partner with anyone.
 @Javacookies, Erm. Samsung…
 i was thinking the ubuntu tv interface could allow browsing media with a TV remote
 erm, all those kickstarters i supported and still haven't received the product from
 there was 👀
 it was advertised as a part of convergence and i'm sure there was a recent video about the code from 2012 🤔
 no it never got as far as a stick
 crud lag
 👀
 i believe it was "plug your phone to a tv and it turns into ubuntu tv"
 so basically we need an android ut migration app 🤔
 @Fuseteam, it was not
 @Fuseteam, that's part of the convergence dream :)
 might was well make it a console LOL
 @Fuseteam, How could it tell if it was a tv and not a monitor?
 @samuele963, It shouldn't care. But the EDID will tell it what's attached.
 @samuele963, no keyboard/mouse 😏
 @Javacookies, yep i'm a supporter of the full convergence dream :^3
 @Fuseteam, monitors don't have those either
 @dohbee, Not with that attitude!
 @nhaines, where we're going, we don't need keyboard/mouse
 A stern look already reboots my FP2 so features are already landing
 i wonder if we'll have working brain interfaces before textblades ship for real
 oh my 👀
 but i was referring to when you only connect to a tv/monitor ya get tv interface when you connect........extra input devices you get desktop interface 😏
 well you'd get windowed mode, because the phone acts as virtual touchpad
 search textblade
 *searches
 that's true too i suppose i didn't consider that since i don't the good experiences using a phone as a touch pad (ﾉ≧ڡ≦)
 in that case tho there really isn't a good way to differentiate the tv use case from a pc use case other then locking tvs to tv mode 🤔
 that textblade never shipped huh 👀
 [Edit] searches textblade
 Hello everyone, I don't know if there is anyone here who could answer questions about plans for browser-ng?
 What's going on?
 I'm working with a small web development cooperative
 that has been focusing on progressive web apps
 it would be a huge help to us if PWAs worked on ubuntu
 Don't they though?
 not now, Dalton
 You can embed the QtWebEngine right into your app on 16.04, or Ubuntu.Web on 15.04
 i've been watching the discussion on the need to rewrite the browser once 16.04 is finalized
 And I believe there are Apache Cordova templates for Ubuntu Touch
 Dalton, one of my former students became very familiar with this
 he ported a firefox os app to ubuntu touch
 cordova support has been abandoned
 he got it to work
 but it means possible trouble ahead unless it becomes officially supported again
 For sure... Unfortunately support like that requires a maintainer and I don't think the core team here has the time.
 Anyone is certainly welcome... I'd appreciate it for sure
 i wasn't trying to ask for anything from the core team
 requires someone actively working with the cordova people too
 just inquiring about current plans
 I'm sure PWA will be in the plans for browswer-ng
 since it will be such a big win for ubuntu touch
 on a related note, anyone have an idea when 16.04 will show up as an update on my 15.04 phone?
 iirc, the cordova plug-in/backend/whatever for ubuntu, was maintained in upstream cordova, not as a separate project, which is why it's not supported from there, given canonical dropping interest in building the phone
 right, rodney
 but once ubports has a larger profile, it might be reasonable to ask them to support it again, yes?
 @jelkner, if you're on RC channel, soon i think, but if you're on stable, not until OTA5, so maybe a couple months or more still
 thanks, rodney
 i'm a school teacher
 and my ubuntu phone is my only one
 i just got a classroom phone for testing
 @jelkner, i think it would need someone actively maintaining the stuff, and putting in the work to keep it going
 i'll put 15.04 on that
 i mean 16.04
 but i'll wait for the official update for my main phone
 thanks!
 I'm having difficulties understanding: what is a "scope" in relation to apps?
 It's a cut-down app that is displayed as a separate page on the home screen
 And something that we're planning to remove
 Ok. Cheers.
 Remove - like it will disappear as an app altogether, or it will become a full app?
 Remove, like scopes will no longer be part of the Ubuntu Touch ecosystem
 OK - so what about Telegram?
 telegram is an app
 Telegram is an app
 ☞
 :D
 Ok - it just says "scope" on https://open-store.io/app/com.ubuntu.telegram
 But that is great news :)
 oh, that's maybe an issue with the store then
 Ok - thank you for the response once again :) :)
 hmm if the selling point of scopes was to be part of the homescreen hmm
 not quite
 really, the "selling point" was "they're not apps, so they're quicker to develop"
 which was kind of not really true
 s̶a̶d̶l̶y̶
 i'm kinda thinking about what scopes mean for the end user but interesting selling point
 I'm one user that liked them, or a few at least. I like the idea of an agreggator of different sources that could work as a "homescreen" of sorts. Of course, if an app does the same then it's mostly, well, the same.
 That's where the problem came in
 Scopes became so complex that there was really little difference between them and an app
 yeah
 But the drawbacks to creating a scope were many... You were limited to one paradigm (you need to make your UI like this), you had limited interaction between yourself and other apps or scopes...
 It's just undue complexity for little gain
 Understandable.
 Moreso in its backend, unity8-dash, and all of its ridiculous needs
 @lindisfarne, There was a Telegram 'app' and a Telegram 'scope. Confusing …
 I think both of them come with telegram-app
 The scope is a companion
 and it's just as complex
 yes, they are in the same package
 which is how it should be
 the real problem is all the scopes front-end stuff, which made things overly complex
 @dohbee, I never understood the point beyond claiming to be 'different'. But hey…
 @Stereofont, that was the point
 @Stereofont, I will remove the scope soon
 "how does a new phone OS differentiate itself in an already saturated market, when it doesn't have a million apps in the store already"
 Nowadays Google is giving us an in with locking down the AOSP
 But that's an in with manufacturers, not necessarily users
 @UniversalSuperBox, With ethically conscious users, yes
 We have those, too
 And as long as there are enough people paying or contributing to make Ubuntu Touch exist, it will
 #DaltonForPresident
 Technically I'm not on the Foundation Board of Directors at all, but I'm happy to make speeches if you want. ;)
 @dohbee, Why people are buying electric cars, they are overexpensive and suffer from short ranges. They would be better off with buying gasoline
 Yet sales is increasingh
 what has that got to do with ubuntu?
 its an example how you can make minority share in a saturated market, and hope that it will still grow though its a bit against market and marketing laws
 People do make ethical choices, even if they cost more
 The golden ticket, though, is making it more than an ethical choice
 i don't think i'd call buying a Tesla an "ethical" choice
 yes
 But an economical one
 ethical is below 1% of market
 tesla is in the red still too
 so not really succeeding
 @dohbee, Well overall but the car itself seems to be black
 @dohbee, An electric tram is more ethical. But I think Florian meant Nissan Leaf
 They just reinvest all their money
 i don't think that's true
 Google it. Why naks giving them money still
 banks
 They can show their figures in such a way that on the long run they must get into black figures automatically
 you don't have a $52bn market cap, and -20% profit margin, because of "reinvesting your money"
 And yet he gets all the money he wants
 You're in the weeds. Tesla doesn't make the only electric car
 sure there's also Delorean
 Well no one has 1.21 jiggawatts lying around
 and it still has nothing to do with ubuntu. :)
 We're seeing an interesting shift right now where Google is locking down Android and threatening to invest in Fuscia (Which I can't spell to save my life), an even more locked down platform. Manufacturers bought into Android because it was something they could add their own value to... Now they're just Google's slaves.
 our hopes for success didn't get us to where we are today with it
 The golden ticket comes from being the option that's actually open, that manufacturers can actually add value to and reap value from
 Backed by a Foundation that
 Why is Enter so close to apostrophe
 at least you don't have an ISO keyboard
 Backed by a Foundation that's interested in self-sustatining and not in endless profit margins
 sustatining
 sustaining
 Solar is cheaper than coal now. It helped that early adopters made the economies of scale possible
 So yeah... that's the economic standpoint boiled down into a couple sentences
 part of the problem is manufacturers are intersted in eveer growing profit margins
 Maybe so, but that doesn't have to affect us.
 everything is a compromise
 and none of that has any bearing on what i said that @Flohack replied to. one must have a way to differentiate one's self when entering an already saturated market
 @Stereofont, It's OT, but can you pm me with links that support that? I'd like to check them out...
 @Gorsh2, Will do
 (Sticker, 512x468) https://irc.ubports.com/GXyX0NRa.webp
 @jelkner, did anyone answer this? I'm catching up ;)
 @jelkner, nice!  one day our experience will be (nearly) bug free. I'm small business guy with only Ubuntu Touch so I'm with you...
 what makes UT different from android? why convergence ofc :^3
 that said it sounds more like scopes need to be rethought one day
 tldr for those joining us now: scopes need, when it comes to users a differentiating functionality when it comes to devs it shouldn't be more complex then apps
 @Fuseteam, Convergence is only a difference when it's complete and working
 +1