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sonicwindlooks good00:06
sonicwindRiley - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlFNWQdUUAEq_e1.jpg:large00:08
sonicwindoops wrong room lol00:08
lotuspsychjegood morning to all04:24
hggdhlotuspsychje: good morning, and good night04:48
EriC^^morning all05:11
lotuspsychjehey EriC^^05:32
lotuspsychjenite hggdh05:32
lotuspsychje!16.1005:55
ubot5Ubuntu Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) was the 25th release of Ubuntu.  Support ended on July 20th, 2017. See !eol and https://ubottu.com/y/yakkety05:55
lotuspsychje!schedule05:59
lotuspsychje!release05:59
ubot5Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months (non-LTS) or 5 years (LTS). More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases05:59
lotuspsychje!artful05:59
ubot5Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) was the 27th release of Ubuntu. Download at http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ - Release Info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes05:59
lotuspsychje!artful is Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) was the 27th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 19th, 2018. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2018-July/004483.html06:03
lotuspsychjehmm ubot5 forwards to #ubuntu-irc06:05
ducassegood morning07:06
BluesKajHowdy folks11:35
JimBuntuGood morning BluesKaj11:35
BluesKaj'Morning JimBuntu11:36
guiverc_dMorning BluesKaj11:38
BluesKaj'Morning guiverc_d11:39
BluesKajsped up my surfing ... dumped NM, but still using dhcp in resolv.conf and using ifupdown. For some reason chrome was taking over 10secs to launch, so I blamed NM ...guess NM was the problem11:51
BluesKajon both Bionic and Cosmic11:53
JimBuntuwow, seems crazy.11:55
BluesKajit works, altho I used static ip for a long time, but /etc/resolv.conf no longer supports it , or so it seems12:00
BluesKajnever been crazy about NM12:01
BluesKajprobly regarded in systemd circles as regressive, but who cares :-012:03
EriC^^afternoon everyone12:30
BluesKajHi EriC^^12:54
EriC^^hi BluesKaj, how are you?12:57
BluesKajdoing fine here, EriC^^, how about you?12:58
EriC^^BluesKaj: good thanks12:58
lotuspsychjehey pragmaticenigma13:32
pragmaticenigmayo13:34
lotuspsychje!artful13:41
ubot5Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) was the 27th release of Ubuntu. Download at http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ - Release Info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes13:41
lotuspsychjenobody seeing requests again oO13:42
lotuspsychje!artful is Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) was the 27th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 19th, 2018. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2018-July/004483.html13:43
lotuspsychje<ubottu> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail13:43
hggdhlate good morning all. Overslept...14:02
lotuspsychjehey hggdh good late morning :p14:02
hggdhwoke too early, turned the alarm off, then decided it was indeed TOO early. Went back for a very quick close-eyes...14:04
lotuspsychjeah yeah those are a danger :p14:04
lotuspsychjequick blink of the eye14:04
hggdhand, I guss, since I had been dismissed from juri duty, I was completely relaxed14:05
lotuspsychjeyou have to go to court hggdh ?14:05
hggdhI was summened to serve as part of a juri in some case today. So yes, I would have had to go to court. But yesterday evening they phoned, texted, emailed, and posted on-line that I had been dismissed14:06
lotuspsychjeheavy case?14:07
hggdhyou only get to know when you arrive and are selected. Last time was a woman that rear-ended a car stopped in a lane14:07
lotuspsychjeah14:08
hggdh(and declared not guilty, "because the sun -- early in the morning, and on a west-east road -- made it impossible to see the car stopped"14:09
hggdhI think this was one of the fastest juri decisions ever14:09
lotuspsychjei never been called for jury..they say its an age thing right, im 4114:10
hggdhI do not know the selection here, but I think lawyers do not like very young people, nor very old14:13
hggdhand... the smappers are back14:15
hggdh*spammers14:15
daftykins:o14:15
lotuspsychjeouch14:16
pragmaticenigmalaywers prefer jurors that are sympathetic to their case... age isn't so much a concerns as the background on the juror. If it is a custody battle, they're going to go for the older people, especially women. If it is a drug case, they're going to go after older men. If it is a general case, they will go for people of similar age to the plaintiff and defendents14:16
lotuspsychjeaha didnt know they tricked the system like that pragmaticenigma ?14:16
pragmaticenigmalotuspsychje: They can't14:17
hggdhI once asked my father what lawyers did/are for. He answered "the lawyer's function is to find the holes in the law"14:18
pragmaticenigmalotuspsychje: Juror selection is completely random in the United States. In a typical trial, 20 jurors will be called to a case, of those 20, each lawyer (plaintiff, defendent) can dismiss only a certain number and eventually end with a 12 jurors for trial plus 2-3 alternates14:18
lotuspsychjei see pragmaticenigma14:22
hggdhlotuspsychje: there. I am not sure I explained correctly, but...15:10
hggdhand... I have a feeling this will be going south very fast...15:11
lotuspsychjehggdh: in short, they guy has a keyboard problem after ltsupgrade15:11
lotuspsychjebut he thinks a weird way of ubuntu/canonical as he must pay or something15:12
hggdhyep15:12
hggdhand miscontrued pragmaticenigma's help15:13
hggdhindeed, how does one parse "free discount for single option"15:17
hggdh?15:17
lotuspsychjehggdh: i asked him if he used ubuntu single, or owned a company15:18
lotuspsychjehence his first question about payed support15:18
hggdhyes, but what is a free discount?15:19
hggdhI think I need more coffee...15:19
lotuspsychjelol have no clue15:19
hggdhthey are still getting it wrong. They still think there is an obligation of #ubuntu to get a solution for a badly-explained issue15:20
lotuspsychjeor perhaps he's acting..15:20
lotuspsychjenot sure yet15:21
hggdhit is so weird that is possible to be true15:22
lotuspsychjehe was on xenial before..not sure why he thinked there was payed support?15:22
leftyfbThere is paid support. I linked to it in the channel for him.15:26
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj wb15:27
BluesKajhi lotuspsychje15:30
lotuspsychje!canonical15:30
ubot5Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products, and to providing tools and support to the open source community. It is the driving force behind the Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu Operating Systems. Canonical's website is at http://www.canonical.com/15:30
lotuspsychjeyeah advantage is usefull15:31
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lotuspsychjejesus that guy leftyfb oO15:59
lotuspsychje!mac16:12
ubot5For help on installing and using Ubuntu on a Mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages16:12
hggdhI am monitoring the exodus* user. Seems to have calmed down now, though (last comment is too cryptic to parse as just bad English or trollish16:29
nacchggdh: fair point16:30
BluesKaj..17:12
BluesKaj 17:13
BluesKajoops, changed batteries in the KB17:24
lotuspsychjehggdh: would you know if thats normal, ubot5 takes factoid requests to #ubuntu-irc ?17:24
hggdhlotuspsychje: yes, it does. theoretically, this would help the bot maintainers to update as needed (they are not necessarily ops)17:26
lotuspsychjeaha tnx, so the users in #ubuntu-irc can edit?17:27
hggdhsome of them can (these that are set as editors for a specific bot)17:31
hggdhor admins17:31
lotuspsychjehggdh: what do you prefer then we forward to?17:31
lotuspsychjeops or #ubuntu-irc17:31
hggdheither, or both. Given we are back to spam, it may take a while for an editor to see the proposals17:34
lotuspsychje_hggdh: allright17:38
pragmaticenigmawe ready to put +r back on main again? :-)17:39
hggdh:-)17:39
hggdhnot yet, no spammers so far, just the usual collection of trolls17:39
lotuspsychje_lol17:40
pragmaticenigmaI thought those were the spammers17:40
pragmaticenigmasurpised exodus hasn't been given the boot17:40
pragmaticenigmareally slow warm up to their troll level17:40
hggdhif they are, they have radically changed their modus operandi17:40
hggdhI am waiting for them to go back to it17:41
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pragmaticenigmasoon as they started in on the make me an ISO... i recognized the pattern17:41
hggdhI still think it was mostly a mis-understanding of what is Canonical, and what is #ubuntu, coupled with inability to read long sentences17:41
lotuspsychjehggdh: hmm, at the end he was pretty trolly17:42
lotuspsychjeask leftyfb17:42
hggdhyes, this is why enough is enough. But they quieted down, so no reason *now* to kick/ban17:42
pragmaticenigmahggdh: I saw a similar dialogue about a year ago... started with making it look like they needed assistance with a seemingly normal computer part.17:43
lotuspsychjeyeah sure, if it solves itself..17:43
hggdh(again, we always strive to give them the benefit of doubt)17:43
lotuspsychjeyeah thats always a good idea17:43
pragmaticenigmato happy of a trigger finger and they'll show up in droves17:43
hggdhpragmaticenigma: oh I have seen it (and participated in trying to help) many times17:44
lotuspsychje!info feedparser17:58
ubot5Package feedparser does not exist in bionic17:58
pragmaticenigmawhat are you looking for information about feedparser?17:58
lotuspsychjewe playing with limnoria pragmaticenigma17:59
lotuspsychjepragmaticenigma: the rss plugin doesnt wanna load17:59
pragmaticenigmathe only thing I know of feedparser is a python library17:59
lotuspsychjeError: No module named 'feedparser'17:59
hggdhthere IS a feeparser on BBionic and Cosmic (rmadison feedparser shows them)18:00
hggdh feedparser | 5.2.1-1        | cosmic           | source18:01
lotuspsychjeJimBuntu got it fixxed, tnx anyway guys18:01
JimBuntuI thank you as well18:01
pragmaticenigmawish I knew that feedparers was in pip... though what I used I customized heavily for my purposes18:03
lotuspsychjeseems its needed for that rss plugin on limnoria18:03
lotuspsychje!info feedparser cosmic18:04
ubot5Package feedparser does not exist in cosmic18:04
hggdhyou are probably looking for python-feddparser, or python3-feedparser18:05
hggdh!info python3-feedparser18:05
ubot5python3-feedparser (source: feedparser): Universal Feed Parser for Python 3. In component main, is optional. Version 5.2.1-1 (bionic), package size 43 kB, installed size 209 kB18:05
lotuspsychjeah tnx18:05
leftyfbhggdh: I just don't understand that mentality. A person trolls for roughly 2 hours, their mom calls them for dinner and they step away from the computer for a bit. An op finally becomes active and everything is ok because it's not happening now? Do you honestly think because troll-boy stepped away for a bit that they're going to stop trolling and they they will magically start becoming a productive member of society? Also, to be clear,18:36
leftyfbyou were clearly there during the trolling and multiple requests for them to stop with their insane rant about negotiating price with a "sovereignty backed by armies".18:36
hggdhleftyfb: no, I was AFK. When I returned and saw the ping, he had been quiet for a while.18:37
leftyfbIt is really ignorant and self-defeating to be actively ignoring trolls hoping they'll go away, or maybe only troll once in a while.18:37
hggdhleftyfb: that's your opinion, not mine.18:37
leftyfbIt's an educated opinion based on 20+ years of experience dealing with them18:38
leftyfbIt's really not fair to the legitimate users in the channel to be constantly putting up with all the garbage because the ops find some self-enlightenment in actively ignoring trolls. There's really no benefit in being so apprehensive about removing the garbage.18:41
leftyfbI'm not the only one who sees this. Just the only one that is vocal about it18:41
daftykinsit enables their inaction18:41
lotuspsychjenite nite20:05
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