[00:06] <sonicwind> looks good
[00:08] <sonicwind> Riley - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlFNWQdUUAEq_e1.jpg:large
[00:08] <sonicwind> oops wrong room lol
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:48] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: good morning, and good night
[05:11] <EriC^^> morning all
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> nite hggdh
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> !16.10
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> !schedule
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> !release
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> !artful
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> !artful is Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) was the 27th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 19th, 2018. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2018-July/004483.html
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> hmm ubot5 forwards to #ubuntu-irc
[07:06] <ducasse> good morning
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:35] <JimBuntu> Good morning BluesKaj
[11:36] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[11:38] <guiverc_d> Morning BluesKaj
[11:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning guiverc_d
[11:51] <BluesKaj> sped up my surfing ... dumped NM, but still using dhcp in resolv.conf and using ifupdown. For some reason chrome was taking over 10secs to launch, so I blamed NM ...guess NM was the problem
[11:53] <BluesKaj> on both Bionic and Cosmic
[11:55] <JimBuntu> wow, seems crazy.
[12:00] <BluesKaj> it works, altho I used static ip for a long time, but /etc/resolv.conf no longer supports it , or so it seems
[12:01] <BluesKaj> never been crazy about NM
[12:03] <BluesKaj> probly regarded in systemd circles as regressive, but who cares :-0
[12:30] <EriC^^> afternoon everyone
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi EriC^^
[12:57] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj, how are you?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> doing fine here, EriC^^, how about you?
[12:58] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: good thanks
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> hey pragmaticenigma
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> yo
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> !artful
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> nobody seeing requests again oO
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> !artful is Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) was the 27th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 19th, 2018. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2018-July/004483.html
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[14:02] <hggdh> late good morning all. Overslept...
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> hey hggdh good late morning :p
[14:04] <hggdh> woke too early, turned the alarm off, then decided it was indeed TOO early. Went back for a very quick close-eyes...
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> ah yeah those are a danger :p
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> quick blink of the eye
[14:05] <hggdh> and, I guss, since I had been dismissed from juri duty, I was completely relaxed
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> you have to go to court hggdh ?
[14:06] <hggdh> I was summened to serve as part of a juri in some case today. So yes, I would have had to go to court. But yesterday evening they phoned, texted, emailed, and posted on-line that I had been dismissed
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> heavy case?
[14:07] <hggdh> you only get to know when you arrive and are selected. Last time was a woman that rear-ended a car stopped in a lane
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> ah
[14:09] <hggdh> (and declared not guilty, "because the sun -- early in the morning, and on a west-east road -- made it impossible to see the car stopped"
[14:09] <hggdh> I think this was one of the fastest juri decisions ever
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> i never been called for jury..they say its an age thing right, im 41
[14:13] <hggdh> I do not know the selection here, but I think lawyers do not like very young people, nor very old
[14:15] <hggdh> and... the smappers are back
[14:15] <hggdh> *spammers
[14:15] <daftykins> :o
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[14:16] <pragmaticenigma> laywers prefer jurors that are sympathetic to their case... age isn't so much a concerns as the background on the juror. If it is a custody battle, they're going to go for the older people, especially women. If it is a drug case, they're going to go after older men. If it is a general case, they will go for people of similar age to the plaintiff and defendents
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> aha didnt know they tricked the system like that pragmaticenigma ?
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: They can't
[14:18] <hggdh> I once asked my father what lawyers did/are for. He answered "the lawyer's function is to find the holes in the law"
[14:18] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: Juror selection is completely random in the United States. In a typical trial, 20 jurors will be called to a case, of those 20, each lawyer (plaintiff, defendent) can dismiss only a certain number and eventually end with a 12 jurors for trial plus 2-3 alternates
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> i see pragmaticenigma
[15:10] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: there. I am not sure I explained correctly, but...
[15:11] <hggdh> and... I have a feeling this will be going south very fast...
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: in short, they guy has a keyboard problem after ltsupgrade
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> but he thinks a weird way of ubuntu/canonical as he must pay or something
[15:12] <hggdh> yep
[15:13] <hggdh> and miscontrued pragmaticenigma's help
[15:17] <hggdh> indeed, how does one parse "free discount for single option"
[15:17] <hggdh> ?
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: i asked him if he used ubuntu single, or owned a company
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> hence his first question about payed support
[15:19] <hggdh> yes, but what is a free discount?
[15:19] <hggdh> I think I need more coffee...
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> lol have no clue
[15:20] <hggdh> they are still getting it wrong. They still think there is an obligation of #ubuntu to get a solution for a badly-explained issue
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> or perhaps he's acting..
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> not sure yet
[15:22] <hggdh> it is so weird that is possible to be true
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> he was on xenial before..not sure why he thinked there was payed support?
[15:26] <leftyfb> There is paid support. I linked to it in the channel for him.
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj wb
[15:30] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> !canonical
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah advantage is usefull
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> jesus that guy leftyfb oO
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> !mac
[16:29] <hggdh> I am monitoring the exodus* user. Seems to have calmed down now, though (last comment is too cryptic to parse as just bad English or trollish
[16:30] <nacc> hggdh: fair point
[17:12] <BluesKaj> ..
[17:13] <BluesKaj>  
[17:24] <BluesKaj> oops, changed batteries in the KB
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: would you know if thats normal, ubot5 takes factoid requests to #ubuntu-irc ?
[17:26] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: yes, it does. theoretically, this would help the bot maintainers to update as needed (they are not necessarily ops)
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> aha tnx, so the users in #ubuntu-irc can edit?
[17:31] <hggdh> some of them can (these that are set as editors for a specific bot)
[17:31] <hggdh> or admins
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: what do you prefer then we forward to?
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> ops or #ubuntu-irc
[17:34] <hggdh> either, or both. Given we are back to spam, it may take a while for an editor to see the proposals
[17:38] <lotuspsychje_> hggdh: allright
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> we ready to put +r back on main again? :-)
[17:39] <hggdh> :-)
[17:39] <hggdh> not yet, no spammers so far, just the usual collection of trolls
[17:40] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> I thought those were the spammers
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> surpised exodus hasn't been given the boot
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> really slow warm up to their troll level
[17:40] <hggdh> if they are, they have radically changed their modus operandi
[17:41] <hggdh> I am waiting for them to go back to it
[17:41] <pragmaticenigma> soon as they started in on the make me an ISO... i recognized the pattern
[17:41] <hggdh> I still think it was mostly a mis-understanding of what is Canonical, and what is #ubuntu, coupled with inability to read long sentences
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: hmm, at the end he was pretty trolly
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> ask leftyfb
[17:42] <hggdh> yes, this is why enough is enough. But they quieted down, so no reason *now* to kick/ban
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> hggdh: I saw a similar dialogue about a year ago... started with making it look like they needed assistance with a seemingly normal computer part.
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah sure, if it solves itself..
[17:43] <hggdh> (again, we always strive to give them the benefit of doubt)
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats always a good idea
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> to happy of a trigger finger and they'll show up in droves
[17:44] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: oh I have seen it (and participated in trying to help) many times
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> !info feedparser
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> what are you looking for information about feedparser?
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> we playing with limnoria pragmaticenigma
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: the rss plugin doesnt wanna load
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> the only thing I know of feedparser is a python library
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> Error: No module named 'feedparser'
[18:00] <hggdh> there IS a feeparser on BBionic and Cosmic (rmadison feedparser shows them)
[18:01] <hggdh>  feedparser | 5.2.1-1        | cosmic           | source
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> JimBuntu got it fixxed, tnx anyway guys
[18:01] <JimBuntu> I thank you as well
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> wish I knew that feedparers was in pip... though what I used I customized heavily for my purposes
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> seems its needed for that rss plugin on limnoria
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> !info feedparser cosmic
[18:05] <hggdh> you are probably looking for python-feddparser, or python3-feedparser
[18:05] <hggdh> !info python3-feedparser
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx
[18:36] <leftyfb> hggdh: I just don't understand that mentality. A person trolls for roughly 2 hours, their mom calls them for dinner and they step away from the computer for a bit. An op finally becomes active and everything is ok because it's not happening now? Do you honestly think because troll-boy stepped away for a bit that they're going to stop trolling and they they will magically start becoming a productive member of society? Also, to be clear,
[18:36] <leftyfb> you were clearly there during the trolling and multiple requests for them to stop with their insane rant about negotiating price with a "sovereignty backed by armies".
[18:37] <hggdh> leftyfb: no, I was AFK. When I returned and saw the ping, he had been quiet for a while.
[18:37] <leftyfb> It is really ignorant and self-defeating to be actively ignoring trolls hoping they'll go away, or maybe only troll once in a while.
[18:37] <hggdh> leftyfb: that's your opinion, not mine.
[18:38] <leftyfb> It's an educated opinion based on 20+ years of experience dealing with them
[18:41] <leftyfb> It's really not fair to the legitimate users in the channel to be constantly putting up with all the garbage because the ops find some self-enlightenment in actively ignoring trolls. There's really no benefit in being so apprehensive about removing the garbage.
[18:41] <leftyfb> I'm not the only one who sees this. Just the only one that is vocal about it
[18:41] <daftykins> it enables their inaction
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> nite nite