[00:06] looks good [00:08] Riley - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlFNWQdUUAEq_e1.jpg:large [00:08] oops wrong room lol [04:24] good morning to all [04:48] lotuspsychje: good morning, and good night [05:11] morning all [05:32] hey EriC^^ [05:32] nite hggdh [05:55] !16.10 [05:55] Ubuntu Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) was the 25th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 20th, 2017. See !eol and https://ubottu.com/y/yakkety [05:59] !schedule [05:59] !release [05:59] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months (non-LTS) or 5 years (LTS). More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [05:59] !artful [05:59] Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) was the 27th release of Ubuntu. Download at http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ - Release Info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes [06:03] !artful is Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) was the 27th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 19th, 2018. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2018-July/004483.html [06:05] hmm ubot5 forwards to #ubuntu-irc [07:06] good morning [11:35] Howdy folks [11:35] Good morning BluesKaj [11:36] 'Morning JimBuntu [11:38] Morning BluesKaj [11:39] 'Morning guiverc_d [11:51] sped up my surfing ... dumped NM, but still using dhcp in resolv.conf and using ifupdown. For some reason chrome was taking over 10secs to launch, so I blamed NM ...guess NM was the problem [11:53] on both Bionic and Cosmic [11:55] wow, seems crazy. [12:00] it works, altho I used static ip for a long time, but /etc/resolv.conf no longer supports it , or so it seems [12:01] never been crazy about NM [12:03] probly regarded in systemd circles as regressive, but who cares :-0 [12:30] afternoon everyone [12:54] Hi EriC^^ [12:57] hi BluesKaj, how are you? [12:58] doing fine here, EriC^^, how about you? [12:58] BluesKaj: good thanks [13:32] hey pragmaticenigma [13:34] yo [13:41] !artful [13:41] Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) was the 27th release of Ubuntu. Download at http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ - Release Info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes [13:42] nobody seeing requests again oO [13:43] !artful is Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) was the 27th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 19th, 2018. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2018-July/004483.html [13:43] Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. Thank you for your attention to detail [14:02] late good morning all. Overslept... [14:02] hey hggdh good late morning :p [14:04] woke too early, turned the alarm off, then decided it was indeed TOO early. Went back for a very quick close-eyes... [14:04] ah yeah those are a danger :p [14:04] quick blink of the eye [14:05] and, I guss, since I had been dismissed from juri duty, I was completely relaxed [14:05] you have to go to court hggdh ? [14:06] I was summened to serve as part of a juri in some case today. So yes, I would have had to go to court. But yesterday evening they phoned, texted, emailed, and posted on-line that I had been dismissed [14:07] heavy case? [14:07] you only get to know when you arrive and are selected. Last time was a woman that rear-ended a car stopped in a lane [14:08] ah [14:09] (and declared not guilty, "because the sun -- early in the morning, and on a west-east road -- made it impossible to see the car stopped" [14:09] I think this was one of the fastest juri decisions ever [14:10] i never been called for jury..they say its an age thing right, im 41 [14:13] I do not know the selection here, but I think lawyers do not like very young people, nor very old [14:15] and... the smappers are back [14:15] *spammers [14:15] :o [14:16] ouch [14:16] laywers prefer jurors that are sympathetic to their case... age isn't so much a concerns as the background on the juror. If it is a custody battle, they're going to go for the older people, especially women. If it is a drug case, they're going to go after older men. If it is a general case, they will go for people of similar age to the plaintiff and defendents [14:16] aha didnt know they tricked the system like that pragmaticenigma ? [14:17] lotuspsychje: They can't [14:18] I once asked my father what lawyers did/are for. He answered "the lawyer's function is to find the holes in the law" [14:18] lotuspsychje: Juror selection is completely random in the United States. In a typical trial, 20 jurors will be called to a case, of those 20, each lawyer (plaintiff, defendent) can dismiss only a certain number and eventually end with a 12 jurors for trial plus 2-3 alternates [14:22] i see pragmaticenigma [15:10] lotuspsychje: there. I am not sure I explained correctly, but... [15:11] and... I have a feeling this will be going south very fast... [15:11] hggdh: in short, they guy has a keyboard problem after ltsupgrade [15:12] but he thinks a weird way of ubuntu/canonical as he must pay or something [15:12] yep [15:13] and miscontrued pragmaticenigma's help [15:17] indeed, how does one parse "free discount for single option" [15:17] ? [15:18] hggdh: i asked him if he used ubuntu single, or owned a company [15:18] hence his first question about payed support [15:19] yes, but what is a free discount? [15:19] I think I need more coffee... [15:19] lol have no clue [15:20] they are still getting it wrong. They still think there is an obligation of #ubuntu to get a solution for a badly-explained issue [15:20] or perhaps he's acting.. [15:21] not sure yet [15:22] it is so weird that is possible to be true [15:22] he was on xenial before..not sure why he thinked there was payed support? [15:26] There is paid support. I linked to it in the channel for him. [15:27] hey BluesKaj wb [15:30] hi lotuspsychje [15:30] !canonical [15:30] Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products, and to providing tools and support to the open source community. It is the driving force behind the Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu Operating Systems. Canonical's website is at http://www.canonical.com/ [15:31] yeah advantage is usefull === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:59] jesus that guy leftyfb oO [16:12] !mac [16:12] For help on installing and using Ubuntu on a Mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages [16:29] I am monitoring the exodus* user. Seems to have calmed down now, though (last comment is too cryptic to parse as just bad English or trollish [16:30] hggdh: fair point [17:12] .. [17:13] [17:24] oops, changed batteries in the KB [17:24] hggdh: would you know if thats normal, ubot5 takes factoid requests to #ubuntu-irc ? [17:26] lotuspsychje: yes, it does. theoretically, this would help the bot maintainers to update as needed (they are not necessarily ops) [17:27] aha tnx, so the users in #ubuntu-irc can edit? [17:31] some of them can (these that are set as editors for a specific bot) [17:31] or admins [17:31] hggdh: what do you prefer then we forward to? [17:31] ops or #ubuntu-irc [17:34] either, or both. Given we are back to spam, it may take a while for an editor to see the proposals [17:38] hggdh: allright [17:39] we ready to put +r back on main again? :-) [17:39] :-) [17:39] not yet, no spammers so far, just the usual collection of trolls [17:40] lol [17:40] I thought those were the spammers [17:40] surpised exodus hasn't been given the boot [17:40] really slow warm up to their troll level [17:40] if they are, they have radically changed their modus operandi [17:41] I am waiting for them to go back to it === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [17:41] soon as they started in on the make me an ISO... i recognized the pattern [17:41] I still think it was mostly a mis-understanding of what is Canonical, and what is #ubuntu, coupled with inability to read long sentences [17:42] hggdh: hmm, at the end he was pretty trolly [17:42] ask leftyfb [17:42] yes, this is why enough is enough. But they quieted down, so no reason *now* to kick/ban [17:43] hggdh: I saw a similar dialogue about a year ago... started with making it look like they needed assistance with a seemingly normal computer part. [17:43] yeah sure, if it solves itself.. [17:43] (again, we always strive to give them the benefit of doubt) [17:43] yeah thats always a good idea [17:43] to happy of a trigger finger and they'll show up in droves [17:44] pragmaticenigma: oh I have seen it (and participated in trying to help) many times [17:58] !info feedparser [17:58] Package feedparser does not exist in bionic [17:58] what are you looking for information about feedparser? [17:59] we playing with limnoria pragmaticenigma [17:59] pragmaticenigma: the rss plugin doesnt wanna load [17:59] the only thing I know of feedparser is a python library [17:59] Error: No module named 'feedparser' [18:00] there IS a feeparser on BBionic and Cosmic (rmadison feedparser shows them) [18:01] feedparser | 5.2.1-1 | cosmic | source [18:01] JimBuntu got it fixxed, tnx anyway guys [18:01] I thank you as well [18:03] wish I knew that feedparers was in pip... though what I used I customized heavily for my purposes [18:03] seems its needed for that rss plugin on limnoria [18:04] !info feedparser cosmic [18:04] Package feedparser does not exist in cosmic [18:05] you are probably looking for python-feddparser, or python3-feedparser [18:05] !info python3-feedparser [18:05] python3-feedparser (source: feedparser): Universal Feed Parser for Python 3. In component main, is optional. Version 5.2.1-1 (bionic), package size 43 kB, installed size 209 kB [18:05] ah tnx [18:36] hggdh: I just don't understand that mentality. A person trolls for roughly 2 hours, their mom calls them for dinner and they step away from the computer for a bit. An op finally becomes active and everything is ok because it's not happening now? Do you honestly think because troll-boy stepped away for a bit that they're going to stop trolling and they they will magically start becoming a productive member of society? Also, to be clear, [18:36] you were clearly there during the trolling and multiple requests for them to stop with their insane rant about negotiating price with a "sovereignty backed by armies". [18:37] leftyfb: no, I was AFK. When I returned and saw the ping, he had been quiet for a while. [18:37] It is really ignorant and self-defeating to be actively ignoring trolls hoping they'll go away, or maybe only troll once in a while. [18:37] leftyfb: that's your opinion, not mine. [18:38] It's an educated opinion based on 20+ years of experience dealing with them [18:41] It's really not fair to the legitimate users in the channel to be constantly putting up with all the garbage because the ops find some self-enlightenment in actively ignoring trolls. There's really no benefit in being so apprehensive about removing the garbage. [18:41] I'm not the only one who sees this. Just the only one that is vocal about it [18:41] it enables their inaction [20:05] nite nite === PaulW2U_ is now known as PaulW2U