 There is no pulseaudio 12 in 18.04
 plasma-pa originally used gconf due to: https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-pa.git/commit/?h=Plasma/5.13&id=677775b7db387b0d019f1a62dfcea86159a51f40
 which is now optional in latest plasma: https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-pa.git/commit/?id=c9fae1fb3f8e8a820fd480ce227d7fabf87bd045
[01:18] <OvermindDL1> Well somehow he got it, and he was not using staging or anything
[01:18] <OvermindDL1> Managed to fix it by parsing the apt log to get old version and downgrading to those, but of a pain but it fixed it all
[01:19] <OvermindDL1> Bit of*
[01:20] <OvermindDL1> So it was added to just keep from needing to serialize out some settings to restore modules, bleh, what an ancient dependency to just do that
[01:44] <sm222> Hey, quick question. Fresh install and snap packages don't show up in krunner / the menu. Is there a workaround for this minus creating menu entries for these apps?
[01:55] <sm222> weird after restarting it shows up
[01:55] <sm222> Ohh, I think it cause i changed my shell back to bash
[06:40] <Mandor> Hi!  I'm running kubuntu 18.04 on a laptop, upgraded from older versions.  I've recently noticed that the little network icon has turned red.
[06:41] <Mandor> The wireless NIC works and connects to my main wifi essid.  But if I click on the little icon, it doesn't show me a list of detected essids like it used to.
[06:42] <Mandor> I do have the options to disable wireless altogether, to go into airplane mode, or to configure the wireless LANs.
[06:42] <Mandor> But I can't actually select which one should be current.
[06:43] <Mandor> If I run "iwlist wlan0 scanning", I see a bunch of wireless essids detected.  So it's all working at a low level.  There just seems to be something wrong with the kubuntu applet foo.
[06:43] <Mandor> Or maybe an intermediate layer.  If I try nm-applet, I get equivalent behavior.
[06:44] <Mandor> So something weird is going on.  I know the relatively low levels of the network stack, but I suspect something is broken in some configuration layer that I am not familiar with.
[06:44] <Mandor> Any clues?
[07:02] <hateball> Mandor: if you untick "connect automatically" you should be able to click and connect on the desired network
[07:02] <hateball> well you should be able to click connect as you like, but if you're jumping between SSIDs it might reconnect to a different one, was my thought
[07:03] <Mandor> hateball: tried it.  No joy.
[07:04] <Mandor> In particular, unticking connect automatically from an SSID, saving, and restarting the network still reconnects automatically to the first ssid.  And I still don't get a list of SSIDs.
[07:05] <diogenes_> Mandor, what if you remove all the saved connections and try again to connect but this time untick that
[07:12] <Mandor> diogenes_: good idea.  Oddly, the SSID came back.
[07:15] <Mandor> Although DHCP didn't automatically come back.  I had to reconfigure IP, etc. manually.
[07:16] <diogenes_> Mandor, maybe after removing them you needed a systemctl restart NetworkManager
[07:16] <Mandor> Thanks, I already did that.
[07:17] <Mandor> No joy.
[07:19] <Mandor> Oh, wow.
[07:19] <Mandor> I found at least two things that it might be: 1. /etc/network/interfaces has an auto stanza for wlan0.
[07:21] <Mandor> 2. locate on my essid finds some stuff in /etc/NetworkManager.  Although I think that's just stale locatedb entries.
[07:26] <Mandor> I did ifdown -a, commented out the entry from /etc/network/interfaces, did an ifup -a, and restarted NetworkManager.  No joy.
[07:26] <diogenes_> Mandor, what if you try to create a new test user and try there?
[07:27] <Mandor> diogenes_: good idea.  I think I'll rebooting, first, just in case something got left in a weird state from having an entry in /etc/network/interfaces.
[07:28] <Mandor> (Thank goodness for screen+cloud servers, or you would see me bouncing up and down in IRC every time I messed with one of these things.)
[07:28] <diogenes_> :)
[07:28] <acheronuk> do networks show when you scan for available ones on the command line?
[07:28] <Mandor> Yup, iwlist wlan0 scan shows all the usual networks that I should see.
[07:32] <acheronuk> and 'nmcli device wifi list' ?
[07:34] <acheronuk> maybe after 'nmcli device wifi rescan' if nothing shows
[07:38] <Mandor> Back.  Yup, it was the /etc/network/interfaces file.  Rebooting cleaed the bad state.  Not sure why I had that in place, but probably something I did and forgot about.  Sorry for wasting your collective time!
[07:38] <acheronuk> unless plasma-pa widget has gone complete fritzo, it should just report what network-manager thinks is there
[07:39] <acheronuk> Mandor: ah. ok. no problem :)
[08:49] <Kon-> There's a pulse audio update for 18.04 and Discover wants to remove plasma-pa and the gconf module as part of the update process
[08:50] <Kon-> This seems like it's not working as intended. How am I going to control levels without plasma-pa? And pulseaudio-module-gconf is used by all kinds of things
[08:53] <eeos> hi everybody. I am looking for a microblogging client that allows me to post brief messages on twitter, linkedin, researchgate and facebook at the same time .... anyone who know about one?
[09:03] <acheronuk> Kon-: last pulseaudio update in 18.04 was back on 4th July, and did not obsolete the gconf module. do you have a ppa where someone backported the cosmic pulsraudio?
[09:08] <Kon-> acheronuk: Thanks, it was a PPA for an app I wasn't using called PulseEffects. They apparently added all other things Pulse-related to their PPA
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:51] <eeos> hi BluesKaj
[12:52] <BluesKaj> hi eeos
[14:28] <OvermindDL1> Ah, that friend of mine also uses pulseeffects!  That might explain why his plasma-pa died then
[20:16] <tonyt> installed wine but i cant find it
[20:16] <tonyt> anyone have any ideas?
 @tonyt, The wine menu is currently broken, but all the wine stuff works.  From Dollphi, you can click an .exe file and it should run.
 you can also run winecfg from krunner or the terminal.
[20:23] <tonyt> well for instance i am trying to run mirc.exe but when try to open it it comes with with a windows to search for a program to run it with
[20:23] <tonyt> and wine doesnt show up
[20:23] <tonyt> i uninstalled wine and trying the wine dev release in the software center
 The stable or Dev will both work, but the .desktop files do not land in the correct location for KDE to detect them.
[20:24] <tonyt> it still wont give me the option to run it with wine
[20:25] <tonyt> "choose application" windows pops up and the is no wine listed in there
 strangely enough, the wine menu will be correctly created when you install a windows program (but the winecfg link will still be missing).
 the wine menu and winecfg can be manually added using kmenuedit
[20:27] <tonyt> im lost. im a little new to this.
[20:28] <tonyt> im using hexchat but i was curious to see if i could get mirc to run
[20:55]  * OvermindDL1 prefers either konversation for quicky irc stuff or irssi, or irccloud when on the phone...
[20:56] <OvermindDL1> I thought mIRC was long-dead, does it even support some of the newer things (not that this irc server uses them, but eh)?
[20:56] <OvermindDL1> I hear Quassal is awesome but not tried it yet
[21:33] <valorie> konversation is teh awesome
[21:34] <valorie> tonyt: does it run from krunner? (alt+space)
[21:34] <valorie> i rarely use menus anymore; just krunner or pin the app to the panel
[22:15] <OvermindDL1> krunner is my addiction
[22:15] <OvermindDL1> I wish it had a simple scripting plugin interface though (or does it)?
[22:15] <OvermindDL1> I've made a C++ plugin but too much pain for one-off things
[22:16] <OvermindDL1> I should probably just make a lua plugin for it or something, but unsure how to register new commands that way on the fly...
[23:16] <valorie> OvermindDL1: there may be a scripting plugin interface -- perhaps ask in #plasma during euro-working hours
[23:17] <OvermindDL1> Would be nice