| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561 @Ivoriesablaze | 14:17 |
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| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> So any insights on Oracle charging for Java? | 14:26 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Java was promised to be write once, run anywhere. You write it today and it could be running on a refrigerator 20 years from now. But apparently that's been a lie. | 14:27 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Do an upgrade and you lose the ability to run the software? Java is now ransomware? | 14:28 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> That is news to me, I was not are they were charging for the runtime | 14:31 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Just got an update for Java that said it was not effected but next update would be. | 14:32 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Jre | 14:32 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> https://www.itassetmanagement.net/2018/05/01/oracle-to-charge-for-java-from-jan-2019/ | 14:33 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Gnu gcj just shut down. The classpath project is on Java5. This is really bad. | 14:33 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> Wow, that is really going to kill Java on the desktop faster | 14:34 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Yeah. Not sure what the goal here is. | 14:34 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Certainly they are trying to push people to another platform. | 14:35 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> Yup, that may also be what was driving Google's decision to embrace Kotlin | 14:35 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> It's a quick buck at the expense of everyone's expectations and a company image. | 14:35 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Not sure what to do about this. | 14:37 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> OpenJRE/OpenJDK? | 14:38 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> Not perfect but it may work in some cases | 14:39 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Nope. They specifically mentioned openjdk as chargeable. | 14:40 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> Also @AdamOutler gcj has technically been depreciated for a few years, plans to remove it from GCC have dated back to 2015 | 14:41 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Yeah. | 14:41 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> But yes, I do agree that this will hurt companies like yours who use a lot of Java | 14:42 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> I'm hoping Apache Foundation steps in to revitalize the OpenJDK and GCJ | 14:42 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> I know my personal team has not done anything with Java for a few years but I know of some systems in our company that use it | 14:43 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> I am shocked I have not seen it earlier | 14:43 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Yeah. I use it a lot. | 14:43 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> I am sure that some (not all) if your things can be ported over to another language but is the time investment worth it to offset the license costs | 14:44 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Not sure. We just finished a multi-month project in java. | 14:45 |
| floridagram-bot | <govatent> Maybe they want to kill it off | 14:45 |
| floridagram-bot | <govatent> I had seen the notification a few weeks back | 14:45 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> It's a quick buck at the expense of a whole platform. | 14:45 |
| floridagram-bot | <govatent> That's oracle | 14:45 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> I do support killing off Java on the desktop but that is the worst way to do it in my opinion | 14:46 |
| floridagram-bot | <govatent> I agree. | 14:46 |
| floridagram-bot | <govatent> But at least it will be quick | 14:46 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> The reality is they've taken something that was free and expected to be free forever with promises that you write once and run anywhere and started to charge for it. | 14:46 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> There is nothing to fully fill that gap | 14:46 |
| floridagram-bot | <govatent> I wonder how this will effect blueray players that use Java heavily. | 14:47 |
| floridagram-bot | <govatent> I assume those companies license Java so it won't be an issue | 14:47 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> It won't. Not until they upgrade the jvm in those. | 14:47 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Oracle is basically going to use security flaws to cause businesses to upgrade. | 14:48 |
| floridagram-bot | <govatent> Unless this is a follow up on oracle vs google | 14:48 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> @AdamOutler, And I bet they never do - which makes me wonder how many massive security flaws are in Blu Ray players 🙉. I guess they have a limited attack scope in most cases but ... | 14:48 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Until they become smart blue ray players. | 14:49 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Java litterally runs everywhere. | 14:49 |
| floridagram-bot | <AdamOutler> Every single credit card with a chip runs java. | 14:49 |
| maxolasersquad | Damn. And I've been upgrading our one Java app to be more maintainable. I guess we'll be rewriting that single app sooner or later. | 14:50 |
| maxolasersquad | It seems that OpenJDK should be free (as in beer and speach) indefinitely. Anyone know otherwise? | 15:10 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> @maxolasersquad, Sort of - the license applies to all current versions and previous versions as there is not really much of a exit clause for GPL'ed code. This would also complicate some of the new versions code as well | 15:16 |
| floridagram-bot | <KMyers> If course, new features and re-written code to replace functions that were once GPLed would start the process to close up that problem | 15:16 |
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