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floridagram-bot<KMyers> https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561 @Ivoriesablaze14:17
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> So any insights on Oracle charging for Java?14:26
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Java was promised to be write once, run anywhere.  You write it today and it could be running on a refrigerator 20 years from now.  But apparently that's been a lie.14:27
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Do an upgrade and you lose the ability to run the software?  Java is now ransomware?14:28
floridagram-bot<KMyers> That is news to me, I was not are they were charging for the runtime14:31
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Just got an update for Java that said it was not effected but next update would be.14:32
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Jre14:32
floridagram-bot<KMyers> https://www.itassetmanagement.net/2018/05/01/oracle-to-charge-for-java-from-jan-2019/14:33
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Gnu gcj just shut down.  The classpath project is on Java5.  This is really bad.14:33
floridagram-bot<KMyers> Wow, that is really going to kill Java on the desktop faster14:34
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Yeah.  Not sure what the goal here is.14:34
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Certainly they are trying to push people to another platform.14:35
floridagram-bot<KMyers> Yup, that may also be what was driving Google's decision to embrace Kotlin14:35
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> It's a quick buck at the expense of everyone's expectations and a company image.14:35
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Not sure what to do about this.14:37
floridagram-bot<KMyers> OpenJRE/OpenJDK?14:38
floridagram-bot<KMyers> Not perfect but it may work in some cases14:39
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Nope.  They specifically mentioned openjdk as chargeable.14:40
floridagram-bot<KMyers> Also @AdamOutler gcj has technically been depreciated for a few years, plans to remove it from GCC have dated back to 201514:41
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Yeah.14:41
floridagram-bot<KMyers> But yes, I do agree that this will hurt companies like yours who use a lot of Java14:42
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> I'm hoping Apache Foundation steps in to revitalize the OpenJDK and GCJ14:42
floridagram-bot<KMyers> I know my personal team has not done anything with Java for a few years but I know of some systems in our company that use it14:43
floridagram-bot<KMyers> I am shocked I have not seen it earlier14:43
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Yeah.  I use it a lot.14:43
floridagram-bot<KMyers> I am sure that some (not all) if your things can be ported over to another language but is the time investment worth it to offset the license costs14:44
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Not sure.  We just finished a multi-month project in java.14:45
floridagram-bot<govatent> Maybe they want to kill it off14:45
floridagram-bot<govatent> I had seen the notification a few weeks back14:45
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> It's a quick buck at the expense of a whole platform.14:45
floridagram-bot<govatent> That's oracle14:45
floridagram-bot<KMyers> I do support killing off Java on the desktop but that is the worst way to do it in my opinion14:46
floridagram-bot<govatent> I agree.14:46
floridagram-bot<govatent> But at least it will be quick14:46
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> The reality is they've taken something that was free and expected to be free forever with promises that you write once and run anywhere and started to charge for it.14:46
floridagram-bot<KMyers> There is nothing to fully fill that gap14:46
floridagram-bot<govatent> I wonder how this will effect blueray players that use Java heavily.14:47
floridagram-bot<govatent> I assume those companies license Java so it won't be an issue14:47
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> It won't. Not until they upgrade the jvm in those.14:47
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Oracle is basically going to use security flaws to cause businesses to upgrade.14:48
floridagram-bot<govatent> Unless this is a follow up on oracle vs google14:48
floridagram-bot<KMyers> @AdamOutler, And I bet they never do - which makes me wonder how many massive security flaws are in Blu Ray players 🙉. I guess they have a limited attack scope in most cases but ...14:48
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Until they become smart blue ray players.14:49
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Java litterally runs everywhere.14:49
floridagram-bot<AdamOutler> Every single credit card with a chip runs java.14:49
maxolasersquadDamn. And I've been upgrading our one Java app to be more maintainable. I guess we'll be rewriting that single app sooner or later.14:50
maxolasersquadIt seems that OpenJDK should be free (as in beer and speach) indefinitely. Anyone know otherwise?15:10
floridagram-bot<KMyers> @maxolasersquad, Sort of - the license applies to all current versions and previous versions as there is not really much of a exit clause for GPL'ed code. This would also complicate some of the new versions code as well15:16
floridagram-bot<KMyers> If course, new features and re-written code to replace functions that were once GPLed would start the process to close up that problem15:16

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