 https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561 @Ivoriesablaze
 So any insights on Oracle charging for Java?
 Java was promised to be write once, run anywhere.  You write it today and it could be running on a refrigerator 20 years from now.  But apparently that's been a lie.
 Do an upgrade and you lose the ability to run the software?  Java is now ransomware?
 That is news to me, I was not are they were charging for the runtime
 Just got an update for Java that said it was not effected but next update would be.
 Jre
 https://www.itassetmanagement.net/2018/05/01/oracle-to-charge-for-java-from-jan-2019/
 Gnu gcj just shut down.  The classpath project is on Java5.  This is really bad.
 Wow, that is really going to kill Java on the desktop faster
 Yeah.  Not sure what the goal here is.
 Certainly they are trying to push people to another platform.
 Yup, that may also be what was driving Google's decision to embrace Kotlin
 It's a quick buck at the expense of everyone's expectations and a company image.
 Not sure what to do about this.
 OpenJRE/OpenJDK?
 Not perfect but it may work in some cases
 Nope.  They specifically mentioned openjdk as chargeable.
 Also @AdamOutler gcj has technically been depreciated for a few years, plans to remove it from GCC have dated back to 2015
 Yeah.
 But yes, I do agree that this will hurt companies like yours who use a lot of Java
 I'm hoping Apache Foundation steps in to revitalize the OpenJDK and GCJ
 I know my personal team has not done anything with Java for a few years but I know of some systems in our company that use it
 I am shocked I have not seen it earlier
 Yeah.  I use it a lot.
 I am sure that some (not all) if your things can be ported over to another language but is the time investment worth it to offset the license costs
 Not sure.  We just finished a multi-month project in java.
 Maybe they want to kill it off
 I had seen the notification a few weeks back
 It's a quick buck at the expense of a whole platform.
 That's oracle
 I do support killing off Java on the desktop but that is the worst way to do it in my opinion
 I agree.
 But at least it will be quick
 The reality is they've taken something that was free and expected to be free forever with promises that you write once and run anywhere and started to charge for it.
 There is nothing to fully fill that gap
 I wonder how this will effect blueray players that use Java heavily.
 I assume those companies license Java so it won't be an issue
 It won't. Not until they upgrade the jvm in those.
 Oracle is basically going to use security flaws to cause businesses to upgrade.
 Unless this is a follow up on oracle vs google
 @AdamOutler, And I bet they never do - which makes me wonder how many massive security flaws are in Blu Ray players 🙉. I guess they have a limited attack scope in most cases but ...
 Until they become smart blue ray players.
 Java litterally runs everywhere.
 Every single credit card with a chip runs java.
[14:50] <maxolasersquad> Damn. And I've been upgrading our one Java app to be more maintainable. I guess we'll be rewriting that single app sooner or later.
[15:10] <maxolasersquad> It seems that OpenJDK should be free (as in beer and speach) indefinitely. Anyone know otherwise?
 @maxolasersquad, Sort of - the license applies to all current versions and previous versions as there is not really much of a exit clause for GPL'ed code. This would also complicate some of the new versions code as well
 If course, new features and re-written code to replace functions that were once GPLed would start the process to close up that problem