[14:17] https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561 @Ivoriesablaze [14:26] So any insights on Oracle charging for Java? [14:27] Java was promised to be write once, run anywhere. You write it today and it could be running on a refrigerator 20 years from now. But apparently that's been a lie. [14:28] Do an upgrade and you lose the ability to run the software? Java is now ransomware? [14:31] That is news to me, I was not are they were charging for the runtime [14:32] Just got an update for Java that said it was not effected but next update would be. [14:32] Jre [14:33] https://www.itassetmanagement.net/2018/05/01/oracle-to-charge-for-java-from-jan-2019/ [14:33] Gnu gcj just shut down. The classpath project is on Java5. This is really bad. [14:34] Wow, that is really going to kill Java on the desktop faster [14:34] Yeah. Not sure what the goal here is. [14:35] Certainly they are trying to push people to another platform. [14:35] Yup, that may also be what was driving Google's decision to embrace Kotlin [14:35] It's a quick buck at the expense of everyone's expectations and a company image. [14:37] Not sure what to do about this. [14:38] OpenJRE/OpenJDK? [14:39] Not perfect but it may work in some cases [14:40] Nope. They specifically mentioned openjdk as chargeable. [14:41] Also @AdamOutler gcj has technically been depreciated for a few years, plans to remove it from GCC have dated back to 2015 [14:41] Yeah. [14:42] But yes, I do agree that this will hurt companies like yours who use a lot of Java [14:42] I'm hoping Apache Foundation steps in to revitalize the OpenJDK and GCJ [14:43] I know my personal team has not done anything with Java for a few years but I know of some systems in our company that use it [14:43] I am shocked I have not seen it earlier [14:43] Yeah. I use it a lot. [14:44] I am sure that some (not all) if your things can be ported over to another language but is the time investment worth it to offset the license costs [14:45] Not sure. We just finished a multi-month project in java. [14:45] Maybe they want to kill it off [14:45] I had seen the notification a few weeks back [14:45] It's a quick buck at the expense of a whole platform. [14:45] That's oracle [14:46] I do support killing off Java on the desktop but that is the worst way to do it in my opinion [14:46] I agree. [14:46] But at least it will be quick [14:46] The reality is they've taken something that was free and expected to be free forever with promises that you write once and run anywhere and started to charge for it. [14:46] There is nothing to fully fill that gap [14:47] I wonder how this will effect blueray players that use Java heavily. [14:47] I assume those companies license Java so it won't be an issue [14:47] It won't. Not until they upgrade the jvm in those. [14:48] Oracle is basically going to use security flaws to cause businesses to upgrade. [14:48] Unless this is a follow up on oracle vs google [14:48] @AdamOutler, And I bet they never do - which makes me wonder how many massive security flaws are in Blu Ray players 🙉. I guess they have a limited attack scope in most cases but ... [14:49] Until they become smart blue ray players. [14:49] Java litterally runs everywhere. [14:49] Every single credit card with a chip runs java. [14:50] Damn. And I've been upgrading our one Java app to be more maintainable. I guess we'll be rewriting that single app sooner or later. [15:10] It seems that OpenJDK should be free (as in beer and speach) indefinitely. Anyone know otherwise? [15:16] @maxolasersquad, Sort of - the license applies to all current versions and previous versions as there is not really much of a exit clause for GPL'ed code. This would also complicate some of the new versions code as well [15:16] If course, new features and re-written code to replace functions that were once GPLed would start the process to close up that problem