[09:38] <acheronuk> tjaalton: hi. is there likely to be a bionic update with this added -dev package? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/1.13-2
[09:39] <tjaalton> acheronuk: possibly
[09:42] <tjaalton> I can upload it and see what happens
[09:42] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: just wondered. the only place I might need it so far is our (Kubuntu's) backports PPA, so I could always build that revision in there if push comes to shove
[09:43] <acheronuk> tjaalton I mean
[09:43] <tjaalton> acheronuk: but would help if you'd modify #1777994 and add the sru header with the rationale
[09:44] <acheronuk> ok.
[10:53] <Riddell> infinity: hola, me and acheronuk are trying to look into a problem in ubiquity in bionic.  a console-setup update makes it skip keyboard & wireless pages.  consistent in ubuntu and kubuntu
[10:53] <Riddell> infinity: this seems to be the problem change http://launchpadlibrarian.net/382474004/console-setup_1.178ubuntu2.4_1.178ubuntu2.5.diff.gz
[10:53] <Riddell> infinity: would you know what's up with it? my bash isn't good enough to read that
[11:05] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/1788597
[12:14] <ahasenack> tjaalton: sorry, I don't know about tomcat8
[12:26] <tjaalton> ahasenack: no worrie
[12:26] <tjaalton> s
[12:26] <ahasenack> tjaalton: just synced sssd: [ubuntu/cosmic-proposed] sssd 1.16.3-1 (Accepted)
[12:27] <tjaalton> cool
[13:36] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, could you push you n-m upload from july to the packaging vcs?
[14:02] <cyphermox> seb128: done
[14:02] <seb128> cyphermox, thx!
[14:58] <Odd_Bloke> I was just emailed about my membership in an upload team (~ubuntu-cloud-uploaders) expiring; what's the process to get it extended?
[14:58] <ahasenack> doko: around?
[14:58] <ahasenack> doko: I think the orig tarball for paramiko 2.4.1 was incorrectly packaged
[14:59] <ahasenack> doko: the dep8 failures are due to missing *.pub files in tests/cert_support
[14:59] <ahasenack> which are there in the upstream 2.4.1 targz: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GKgxv64t2K/
[14:59] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, click the link in the email?
[14:59] <xnox> should be self-service
[15:00]  * xnox almost expired out of core-dev like that
[15:00] <Odd_Bloke> No link: "To prevent this membership from expiring, you should contact the team's administrator, Ubuntu Developer Membership Board (developer-membership-board)."  Should I just email the ML?
[15:03] <jbicha> Odd_Bloke: yes, please email the list, we probably want to change that setting to allow self-renewal like other teams
[15:03] <Odd_Bloke> Ack, will do.
[15:03] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[15:08] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, yeah, looks buggy
[16:56] <ahasenack> doko: others: hi, this fixes the paramiko dep8 failures in cosmic-proposed: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/paramiko/+git/paramiko/+merge/353660
[16:56] <ahasenack> if someone could give it a review, I can then upload the package
[16:57] <ahasenack> (team policy: need a +1 before uploading)
[18:18] <psusi> jbicha: why is dh_translations used in Ubuntu but not Debian?
[18:19] <psusi> I put that part back and think I'm ready to upload
[18:23] <jbicha> psusi: because Ubuntu uses language packs and Debian does not. dh_translations doesn't exist in Debian
[18:50] <psusi> jbicha: that doesn't mean Debian is English only does it?  Is the difference that in Debian, all translations for each package are shipped with that package all the time, but in Ubuntu, we collect translations from all packages and put them into a language pack for each language that contains translations for all packages for that language?
[18:51] <tumbleweed> pretty much. Except, not all packages, just main, I think?
[18:51] <psusi> hrm... kind of a sucky tradeoff eh?  you either get translations for packages you don't have installed, or you get translations for languages you don't speak...
[18:52] <psusi> and I guess Ubuntu thinks the former is better and Debian the latter?
[18:52] <tumbleweed> it's not like they're that enormous
[18:52] <tumbleweed> but I think this was an optimization to get CD sizes down
[18:53] <psusi> hrm... which seems to be less of a concern these days...
[18:53] <mdeslaur> that wasn't really the motivation
[18:53] <mdeslaur> in Ubuntu, translation teams can translate software using launchpad
[18:54] <psusi> ohh, and the langpack can be updated without having to rebuild the package?
[18:54] <tumbleweed> ah, right
[18:54] <jbicha> packages in main are quite a bit more likely to have patches that add or modify translatable strings
[18:54] <psusi> and debian doesn't accept translations that aren't in the upstream package?
[18:54] <mdeslaur> the langpack is based on launchpad translations, so software that has incomplete upstream translations can get improved
[18:55] <tumbleweed> psusi: debian has no objection with that (but individual package maintainers can have weird objections)
[18:55] <jbicha> it's just difficult to coordinate translations for patches without using something like Launchpad
[18:55] <psusi> right... and they don't do that, so it's up to each maintainer to patch the package with new translations and rebuild the package
[18:55] <psusi> I see now
[18:56] <jbicha> I have seen some GNOME patches we carry in Ubuntu that Debian can't really take because the extra feature would not easily be translated in Debian
[18:57] <jbicha> GNOME bug 737362 is one example
[18:59] <jbicha> that bug is especially frustrating 😩
[19:00] <psusi> hey, isn't it a problem using pbuilder in debian for uploading?  doesn't debuild -S make one .changes file and pbuilder makes another for the binary, but deian wants you to dput a single .changes file with source and binary?
[19:01] <jbicha> you should do a https://wiki.debian.org/SourceOnlyUpload
[19:01] <psusi> ahh, they did start taking source only, good
[19:02] <tumbleweed> also, mergechanges