[12:12] <cousteau> How do I prevent bluetooth from auto-starting when I boot?  Disable the service?  Edit /etc/bluetooth/main.conf?  Blacklist the driver?  All three?
[12:13] <cousteau> I tried removing AutoStart=true from /etc/bluetooth/main.conf with no luck
[12:13] <cousteau> (also, for some reason the "airplane mode" button on this laptop does nothing)
[12:16] <Spass> cousteau, instead of removing did you try changing it to "false"? if you want to disable it completely you can also check your BIOS settings
[12:17] <Spass> maybe disabling blueman-applet from autostart will help (but probably not)
[12:24] <cousteau> well no, I did not try that because the .conf file said it defaulted to false.  Admittedly it was something worth trying.
[12:24] <cousteau> the problem is that if I disable blueman-applet from autostart I have no idea how to check if bluetooth is running or not
[12:25] <cousteau> so I wanted to avoid that option
[12:25] <wblackstone> have problem
[12:26] <wblackstone> using denis5 usb creator
[12:26] <cousteau> I've also tried pressing the "airplane" key on my keyboard (Fn+F2) but I'm not sure it's even wired... what's it even supposed to do, I wonder?
[12:26] <wblackstone> cousteau: is the firmware loaded
[12:27] <cousteau> the firmware for what?
[12:27] <cousteau> bluetooth and wifi are working, if that's what you mean
[12:27] <wblackstone> airplane mode means block all radios
[12:28] <cousteau> yes, so if bluetooth and wifi are working that means airplane mode isn't working, but the firmware for bluetooth and wifi has been loaded (I assume)
[12:28] <cousteau> or did you mean the firmware for the keyboard?
[12:29] <wblackstone> use rfkill
[12:29] <wblackstone> rfkill block all
[12:29] <wblackstone> then rfkill list all
[12:30] <cousteau> gotta figure out what's rfkill... I had seen it before but I thought it was something to do with drivers in general; it didn't occur to me that "rf" means radio-frequency stuff
[12:31] <cousteau> ok, just did, thanks!
[12:31] <wblackstone> cousteau: what is ubuntu core 16
[12:32] <wblackstone> cousteau: maybe you can figure this out
[12:33] <wblackstone> cousteau: mind a pm?
[12:33] <wblackstone> └─ $ ▶ liveusb-creator
[12:33] <wblackstone> (process:964): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
[12:33] <wblackstone> Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[12:33] <wblackstone> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:33] <wblackstone>   File "/usr/share/liveusb-creator-ubuntu/liveusb-creator", line 66, in <module>
[12:33] <wblackstone>     main()
[12:36] <cousteau> sorry I have no idea of the usb creator issue
[12:36] <cousteau> I just used a CD to install mine...
[12:36] <cousteau> brb, trying if the rfkill block thing is permanent
[13:13] <Mr-Potter> Hi I'm using lubuntu 18.04 lts with xubuntu-desktop installed
[13:13] <Mr-Potter> Is there any way of changing it to xubuntu without reformatting or will I be able to do that by simply removing the lubuntu packages?
[13:16] <knome> you do not need to do anything; you are essentially running xubuntu now
[13:17] <Mr-Potter> knome: Thanks for that :)
[13:17] <Mr-Potter> Is there a list of lubuntu packages I can remove or should I ask elsewhere?
[13:18] <knome> that part is a little complicated; it's not trivial to create that list
[13:19] <Mr-Potter> :O
[13:20] <Mr-Potter> knome: how do I see all the dependencies for lubuntu-desktop at least?
[13:20] <Mr-Potter> I love how ur name is misspelt
[13:21] <knome> Mr-Potter, apt show lubuntu-desktop
[13:21] <knome> it's spelled just how it should ;)
[13:21] <knome> (it's not even meant as a joke, it's just a coincidence from before i started using linux even...)
[13:22] <Mr-Potter> I see thanks
[13:23] <Mr-Potter> how do i uninstall all of that packages dependencies
[13:23] <knome> well, that's the non-trivial part
[13:23] <Mr-Potter> without damaging xfce4?
[13:24] <knome> you don't *WANT* to remove all of it, since part of it is something that is considered core ubuntu, some of it is used by xubuntu...
[13:24] <knome> not necessarily breaking xubuntu, but you might be removing something you don't want
[13:24] <Mr-Potter> or xubuntu
[13:24] <knome> removing most things that start with lx should be ok
[13:25] <knome> abiword isn't used in xubuntu
[13:25] <Mr-Potter> i see
[13:25] <Mr-Potter> what about gnumeric
[13:25] <knome> neither is sylpeed
[13:25] <knome> not that either
[13:26] <knome> though - you might prefer them to libreoffice
[13:26] <knome> in that case don't remove ;)
[13:26] <knome> that looks like most of the big components
[13:29] <Mr-Potter> out of curiosity how do i change the startup screen from lubuntu to xubuntu?
[13:31] <eater9> Hi - I have a laptop connected to an external monitor, and I keep the laptop screen off. When I turn the monitor off and on, the laptop screen comes back on, and as a result a bunch of my windows get repositioned, I guess because the framebuffer size changes. Any ideas on how to prevent that?
[13:32] <knome> eater9, is the laptop monitor set as the primary one?
[13:32] <eater9> nope
[13:33] <Mr-Potter> no I actually meant the splash screen which loads when the computer is starting and says "lubuntu"
[13:33] <knome> Mr-Potter, "dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" maybe?
[13:33] <brainwash> splash screen is plymouth
[13:34] <brainwash> did you remove packages starting with lubuntu- yet?
[13:34] <brainwash> I'd think that should remove the lubuntu branding
[13:35] <knome> brainwash, thanks, i've never done this so things get messed up in my head.. :)
[13:38] <brainwash> Mr-Potter: actually plymouth-theme-lubuntu-* packages
[13:38] <Mr-Potter> brainwash: Yes
[13:41] <Mr-Potter> out of curiosity can you do anything in software which you cant in synaptic
[13:41] <brainwash> eater9: I haven't tested it, but you can configure displays via xfce4-display-settings, including disabling unneeded ones
[13:43] <eater9> brainwash: thanks, I've done that, but it doesn't STAY disabled when the external monitor is switched off and on
[13:44] <brainwash> Mr-Potter: you cannot install firmware/bios updates with synaptic
[13:44] <brainwash> Mr-Potter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fwupd
[13:44] <brainwash> >Updates can be exposed via a command line tool, or within graphical package managers (such as GNOME Software) via a D-bus interface.
[13:45] <Mr-Potter> brainwash: I meant the software application not software in general sorry
[13:45] <brainwash> (GNOME) Software
[13:45] <brainwash> right?
[13:46] <brainwash> the store application
[13:48] <Mr-Potter> yes
[13:49] <Mr-Potter> is that included in xubuntu by default
[13:50] <brainwash> like I said, Software has support for Fwupd
[13:50] <brainwash> that would be a difference when compared to synaptic
[13:51] <Spass> Mr-Potter, yes it is included by default, but it's good to still have Synaptic installed
[13:52] <brainwash> Software allows you to install snaps also
[13:53] <Mr-Potter> got it thanks
[13:53] <Mr-Potter> which one is the best?
[13:53] <Spass> Software + Synaptic is a best solution
[13:53] <Spass> in my opinion
[13:54] <brainwash> it's not like you are forced to use one of them exclusively
[13:54] <Mr-Potter> true
[13:54] <Mr-Potter> is it possible to uninstall software
[13:55] <brainwash> try it
[13:55] <Mr-Potter> what is a snap and is the package name software?
[13:55] <Spass> Software for installing Snaps and DEB packages, Synaptic if you want to search for (or install) a specific package, it also shows you dependencies etc.
[13:55] <brainwash> it's probably gnome-software
[13:56] <Mr-Potter> I tried it is possible but I pressed n instead of removing it because I wanna keep it
[13:57] <knome> theoretically you can uninstall *everything*
[13:57] <Mr-Potter> knome: If I did that then how would my system operate?
[13:57] <knome> it would not
[13:57] <knome> but you could do that.
[13:57] <Mr-Potter> i meant if I removed gnome -software then would the rest of the os operate
[13:58] <Mr-Potter> knome: Exactly. That is true. Then again I would have to subsquently reinstall
[13:58] <knome> removing just gnome-software is completely fine.
[13:58] <Mr-Potter> got it
[13:58] <knome> it's technically just an user interface for installing packages
[13:58] <knome> or in other words, a package manager
[13:58] <Mr-Potter> a bit like synpatic
[13:58] <Mr-Potter> *synaptic
[13:59] <Mr-Potter> Which I can also remove
[13:59] <knome> yes, exactly like synaptic - but completely different
[13:59] <Mr-Potter> Out of curiosity can I upgrade xubuntu from a disk?
[13:59] <Mr-Potter> Or only clean install
[13:59] <knome> apt (the command line tool) is also a package manager
[13:59] <Mr-Potter> And if so can it be the desktop one or the minimal one?
[13:59] <Mr-Potter> yes
[14:00] <knome> you should be able to use a live USB/DVD with a newer xubuntu ISO as a repository for an upgrade
[14:00] <brainwash> eater9: sadly, no idea. it could be the intended behavior.
[14:00] <Mr-Potter> what about upgrading the same version of xubuntu to the same version of xubuntu?
[14:01] <knome> if you have the desktop or the minimal ISO, then you would be able to use that as a package repository, but you would need to download the xubuntu-specific packages from the internet
[14:01] <brainwash> eater9: I would check the Xfce forums and bug tracker (component is xfce4-settings)
[14:01] <knome> Mr-Potter, i don't understand... you mean if you had an ISO that has newer packages that your current installation?
[14:01] <knome> i guess you could do that but it would make little sense if you have internet connectivity on your machine
[14:01] <Mr-Potter> no I mean if my install was broken and I had an exactly identical ISO
[14:02] <knome> ISO != install
[14:02] <Mr-Potter> Would I have to reformat destroying all data and packages present?
[14:02] <knome> so no, that doesn't work like that
[14:02] <knome> depends how your system is broken; most issues are fixable without a reinstallation
[14:03] <knome> even then, if your data was stored under a separate /home partition, you'd be able to keep your files and most configuration -- not the installed package list though
[14:03] <knome> obviously you could keep track of packages you installed/removed after installing, but in my experience it's not likely to be worth it
[14:04] <knome> in case you need to reinstall, getting the configuration right is much more consuming that figuring out which packages you need to install
[14:04] <knome> at least if you mostly use the main repositories
[14:05] <Mr-Potter> what if the issue did require a reinstall
[14:06] <knome> avoid all this by taking backups often enough.
[14:08] <Mr-Potter> knome: What if I have backed up my data but been neglient to take an image backup? Scenario being taht I could reformat but restoring data is still an unneccessary hassle. Is it technically possible to do a repair install like I can on Windows
[14:10] <pmjdebruijn> Mr-Potter: "repair"
[14:11] <pmjdebruijn> debsums is a very handy tool :)
[14:30] <knome> Mr-Potter, sorry, i need to run...
[15:31] <sacarde> hi
[15:32] <sacarde> do you know why I dont view menu-bar on thunar... like this: https://s33.postimg.cc/8p7cfq84f/Istantanea_2018-08-21_18-10-15.png ?
[15:35] <diogenes_> sacarde, if you press alt does it show up?
[16:16] <Stek_Turku> Hi all
[16:18] <Stek_Turku> Why do Xubuntu 16.04 LTS 32 bit and Xubuntu 18.04 LTS 64 bit answer differently about total memory (free command and /proc/meminfo) on a laptopt equipped with 8GiB ram?
[16:18] <xubuntu27d> Yesterday (sorry my user yesterday was xubuntu76d)  , Spass,  suggest me to purge nvidia-396 driver (and try to have CUDA running with nvidia-390 driver), because I'm not able at running apt install (nvidia related package dependencies problems appear). The problem is that the same occurs qhen trying to use apt purge. Any idea?
[16:23] <brainwash> Stek_Turku: and what output do you get?
[16:24] <brainwash> xubuntu27d: share the terminal output https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[16:26] <Axzercion> Stek_Turku, because one is 32 bit and the other 64 bit :)
[16:26] <Axzercion> the difference is exactly that: 32 vs 64 bit
[16:27] <xubuntu27d> brainwash, an output example of trying to install htop, for instance: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6C4Pc87bfD/
[16:30] <xubuntu27d> The problem is always the same for whatever I want to install: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libglx-mesa0 : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 18.0.0~rc5-1ubuntu1) but 18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1 is to be installed
[16:33] <brainwash> sudo apt install libglx-mesa0=18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1
[16:33] <Axzercion> and otherwise apt-get -f install ?
[16:33] <Axzercion> without the '?' then
[16:33] <brainwash> you did not try that yet?
[16:34] <xubuntu27d> no. I will
[16:36] <xubuntu27d> The output here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/26R9fhWxF5/
[16:39] <brainwash> nvidia-396 still there
[16:40] <xubuntu27d> I cannot delete.... (and anyway, most probably I will not be able at using CUDA than)
[16:44] <Stek_Turku> brainwash: 64 bit MemTotal = 8058180 kB and 32 bit MemTotal = 8181744 kB
[16:44] <brainwash> xubuntu27d: I guess it would be best to ask in #ubuntu then
[16:46] <Stek_Turku> <Axzercion: sorry for my poor knowledge but 8GiB is the same in the two O.S. (lshw output is the same for both --> size: 8GiB)
[16:52] <Axzercion> A 64bit process is always going to use a little more memory than a 32 bit process
[16:53] <Axzercion> Stek_Turku: https://askubuntu.com/questions/7034/what-are-the-differences-between-32-bit-and-64-bit-and-which-should-i-choose/70551#70551
[16:56] <Stek_Turku> Axzercion: thank you for your answer and the article
[16:56] <Axzercion> no problem
[17:31] <Mr-Potter> can you have a /home partition on ntfs?
[17:34] <Mr-Potter> or does it have to be formatted using a linux file system
[17:46] <brainwash> Mr-Potter: why ntfs?
[17:46] <Mr-Potter> cause i dual boot with windows 10 which uses ntfs
[17:48] <brainwash> sounds like a bad idea
[17:49] <brainwash> if even possible due to ownership/permissions issues
[18:18] <sacarde> diogenes_, no
[18:18] <sacarde> diogenes_, but it show up if I run with "sudo"
[18:20] <diogenes_> sacarde, rename ~/.config/Thunar
[18:20] <brainwash> sacarde: ctrl+m
[18:23] <sacarde> I try
[19:18] <Spass> sacarde, F10 to show menubar, F9 to show/hide side panel
[19:19] <Spass> or Ctrl+M for menubar
[19:22] <sacarde> but there is a global configuration in xfce ?
[21:59] <M-Potter> Hi everyone I've just tried moving my home directory to another partition, the result being that I now cannot login. What should I do?
[22:03] <brainwash> M-Potter: why can't you log in?
[22:08] <M-Potter> do you still use lightdm
[22:08] <M-Potter> brainwash: Even when I get the password right the login screen just refuses to let me in
[22:08] <M-Potter> Even on an account with no password
[22:08] <M-Potter> so i've tried both accounts I have
[22:10] <brainwash> M-Potter: it tells you "wrong password"?
[22:11] <M-Potter> no
[22:11] <M-Potter> it just refuses
[22:11] <knome> sounds like a permission issue
[22:13] <M-Potter> out of curiosity do partitions specificed in fstab actually mount automatically?
[22:14] <M-Potter> I think I'm tempted to do a reinstall on the partition I tried to use as a home partition and use my existing partition for /home is it worth it?
[22:14] <M-Potter> i've even tried changing /etc/fstab back
[22:14] <M-Potter> It still won't let me in!
[22:14] <M-Potter> :(
[22:16] <brainwash> can you log in on a tty?
[22:24] <n-iCe> hi
[22:55] <Spass> hello n-iCe
[22:56] <n-iCe> how you doing
[22:58] <Spass> I'm doing "meh", and you?
[22:58] <n-iCe> alright!
[23:01] <Mr-Potter> Hi is there any way of making a partition temporarily non bootable?
[23:01] <Mr-Potter> what is a tty
[23:01] <Mr-Potter> brainwash
[23:09] <n-iCe> Mr-Potter: sure, use gparted
[23:09] <n-iCe> tty is a terminal window
[23:12] <Mr-Potter> n-iCe: What do I do using gparted?
[23:17] <n-iCe> create a partition