[00:08] <dina16> hi
[00:14] <Sven_vB> a few days ago, bluetooth audio started to fail on my Ubuntu trusty netbook, with syslog message "[pulseaudio] module-bluetooth-device.c: Profile not connected, refused to switch profile to a2dp". I tried downgrading to to the older bluez=4.101-0ubuntu13 and pulseaudio-module-bluetooth=1:4.0-0ubuntu11 (then restarted the bluetooth service and pulseaudio) but that doesn't help either. any ideas?
[00:14] <Sven_vB> low quality mono audio (HSP/HFP) works but sounds crappy.
[00:15] <swift110> hey
[00:55] <qmr26>                                _____________________
[00:58] <dual_user_kde_wi> hi guys! I'm trying to install a dual boot system on my laptop. Windows 10 & Kubuntu 18.04 - I don't really know too much about EFI, MBR, GPT, etc... I have formatted my entire HD
[00:58] <dual_user_kde_wi> now I'm trying to install Win10 first, but I it says that I can't install windows on that disk, because it has a MBR partition table
[00:58] <dual_user_kde_wi> But in that case, I got troubles in the installation :( "The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/..."
[00:58] <fabricius> hi dual_user_kde_wi
[00:59] <dual_user_kde_wi> hi fabricius!
[00:59] <qwebirc93401> Hey I setup a Ubuntu 18 bootable usb drive using rufus (following this guide https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#6) but my windows 10 laptop isn't booting into the usb. I changed the boot order in my UEFI settings etc but it just continues to booting windows :/
[01:00] <fabricius> not sure to be able to help. this is the new EFI / UEFI thingi isn't it dual_user_kde_wi?
[01:00] <dual_user_kde_wi> fabricius: I think "yes"
[01:00] <qwebirc93401> hmm
[01:01] <qwebirc93401> that sucks
[01:01] <qwebirc93401> I kinda need it for work lol
[01:01] <dual_user_kde_wi> If I switch some options in my BIOS, I'm able to install Windows10 but with Legacy Bios Mode (and I think that cause troubles to install kubuntu later)
[01:01] <qwebirc93401> VM is too slow for work :/
[01:02] <fabricius> wouldn't it be better to check out how to install/run Windows on en external SSD drive? I need to have a WIN 10 handy soon myself, for one or two specific software cases, but i am reluctant to any use WIN on my laptopn internally ... I never need it on a daily base
[01:02] <fabricius> dual_user_kde_wi: I think you are right.
[01:02] <fabricius> not 100% sure
[01:02] <fabricius> I would use two harddrives
[01:03] <fabricius> ssd drives
[01:03] <dual_user_kde_wi> Hmm, but, now I have formatted ALL my HD. Now I'm trying to install Win10 without Legacy Bios Mode
[01:03] <qwebirc93401> It's a laptop and it came installed w. windows :/
[01:03] <fabricius> hmm
[01:03] <dual_user_kde_wi> And the get "Windows cannot be installed to this disk. the selected disk has an MBR partition table. On EFI systems, windows can only be installed to GPT"
[01:04] <qwebirc93401> Maybe a PXE boot or something? Jfc I hate installing operating systems, make me wanna blow my brains out
[01:04] <dual_user_kde_wi> lol qwebirc93401
[01:05] <qwebirc93401> smh gonna reboot again, see if works. See ya
[01:05] <dual_user_kde_wi> good luck
[01:07] <fabricius> when my laptop came (a refurbished T440) I accidently started WIN 10 and had more than an hour to cope with Cortana "helping" me with initial setup and I had to continuously tell her "no" ... "no" ... "no I do not want that" ... "no I do not want you to call back home" .. "no".
[01:07] <fabricius> When she was finished I went downtown with the bike, got an empty ssd and got my favorite Linux installed asap.
[01:09] <swift110> hey fabricius I am on a thinkpad right now
[01:09] <fabricius> So at some weekend when I really have time and nothing else going on, I will research to find out how to make the first ssd with WIN bootable via USB to get my two WIN 10 use cases covered. Every day and all day I use my internal Ubuntu flavour and enjoy non-WIN time and efficiency
[01:09] <dual_user_kde_wi> XD
[01:09] <fabricius> hi swift110. and? everything alright?
[01:10] <dual_user_kde_wi> How much space should I destinate to /, /boot/ and swap? having less 120 GB avail and 4 GB of RAM
[01:10] <dual_user_kde_wi> ?
[01:12] <fabricius> I would not like to use a different make anymore. quite robust and not really any problem. my last one was not (yet) ThinkPad and a new one with i7 v5 and 16GB RAM, but was stolen and badly secured. Now I have a used i5 and 8 GB RAM and it works really well enough.
[01:13] <dual_user_kde_wi> :/
[01:16] <maicod> Hi I got an old Ubuntu 12.04LTS. I want to upgrade it on my 32-bit cpu laptop but the update manager's first step (upgrade to 14.04) fails with these errors: https://pastebin.com/Lxx9CBKQ
[01:16] <swift110> nice
[01:16] <fabricius> yeah. was a few weeks nearly not able to fully work ... canging a lot of passwords quickly and implementing new workflows based on encrypted passwordmanagers for me and non-teccie team mates to avoid recurrence
[01:16] <swift110> fabricius: I am on an x201 and I am great. I also have with me a t420
[01:18] <fabricius> uhh dual_user_kde_wi that is hard. I usually work with 3 boot particions. But I have only Linux ... usually working with spare systems at hand, to be able to quickly switch, if something gies wrong on the ever day system ... sharing the same home
[01:18] <fabricius> dual_user_kde_wi: but WIN needs more space and 120GB is quite small
[01:18] <hide4OSX> clear
[01:19] <hide4OSX> exit
[01:19] <hide4OSX> :quit
[01:19] <fabricius> I would really try with the 120GB for WIN only (50 C and rest D) and get a new ssd for linux only ... then figure out to use the WIN externally and switch drives
[01:20] <Bashing-om> maicod: what returns ' grep Prompt= /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ' . And I am not aware of the repo staus of 12.04 if you do not have Extended Support for that release .
[01:20] <Bashing-om> status*
[01:20] <fabricius> nice swift110 ... do you work with a standard ubuntu or do you have taken measures regarding old hardware?
[01:21] <maicod> Bashing-om: I am aware official support is not there anymore for 12.04, just wanted to ask around here what could be wrong. I will run to my laptop now to type what you suggested
[01:22] <Bashing-om> maicod: I suspect that the prompt is set to "any" and you want 'lts' .
[01:22] <maicod> ah right . brb
[01:23] <maicod> Bashing-om: I am using the update manager so the grep thing can't be added I think ?
[01:24] <dual_user_kde_wi> In your opinion, which is the best linux distro focused on developers? specially web-dev
[01:24] <maicod> let me try first to fix the fact I can't ssh into the laptop, its a nuisance I can't access the laptop from here
[01:24] <fabricius> maicod: links seem to be wrong? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[01:25] <fabricius> sorry maicod, Bashing-om might have had the better idea.
[01:25] <fabricius> dual_user_kde_wi: you asked me?
[01:25] <maicod> ok fabricius no worries
[01:26] <dual_user_kde_wi> fabricius: anyone, but I want your opinion too :)
[01:26] <maicod> I installed openssh now hope I can ssh into the laptop
[01:26] <dual_user_kde_wi> maicod: how secure is it?
[01:27] <fabricius> dual_user_kde_wi: depends on what type of development you refer to and what you want to do ... what is your use case? You said web-dev ... testing or coding CMS system? Python, PHP, etcetera?
[01:28] <maicod> dual_user_kde_wi: you mean ssh ? just standard settings. I just installed the package
[01:28] <dual_user_kde_wi> PHP mostly, but I think node too and python just for give a try
[01:28] <maicod> it works I'm IN
[01:28] <fabricius> If that, imho you can use any linux ... personally I see resons for Ubuntu, especially if your focus is less linux sysadmin and more the web stuff on top of linux
[01:28] <ceibal> hola
[01:28] <ceibal> como andan
[01:29] <fabricius> hola ceibal
[01:29] <dual_user_kde_wi> hola
[01:29] <ceibal> alan luis no estan putos
[01:29] <dual_user_kde_wi> lol
[01:29] <dual_user_kde_wi> ¿cuántos de aquí hablan español?
[01:30] <fabricius> ihojarex: Deja que el spam sea
[01:30] <fabricius> bueno
[01:30] <maicod> Bashing-om: it says prompt is normal
[01:30] <fabricius> I hate the current spam wave
[01:30] <maicod> Bashing-om: should I change it to LTS ?
[01:31] <pragmaticenigma> fabricius: Many of us feel the same sentiment, If you'd like to talk about it, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:31] <fabricius> dual_user_kde_wi: ubuntu is imho quite common on standard webservers when you work on shared hosting environments
[01:32] <fabricius> pragmaticenigma: what you are referring to?
[01:32] <Bashing-om> maicod: Afirmed. read the comments ' cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ' .
[01:32] <maicod> Bashing-om: yeah sorry I see them :)
[01:33] <Bashing-om> maicod: All in the pprocess of learning :)
[01:35] <Bashing-om> maicod: I think 12.04 repo is still online .. but I have not tested to know . fingers crossed . else ya do the EOL upgrade .. and hope for the best . A lot has changed since 12.04 . You may be better served to just do a clean fresh install of - say - 18.04 .
[01:37] <maicod> Bashing-om: ehm you misread (no problem) I AM using 12.04 and want to upgrade to the last version that is still available for a 32bit cpu and in the process the first step is upgrading to 14.04 and then onwards. thanks to your help the upgrade has succesfully started now !
[01:37] <fabricius> dual_user_kde_wi: I use elementary since a while - I love their desktop. But elementary has the disadvantage that you cannot do rolling upgrade, but have to do a new installation for a major version upgrade. I am looking for a sleek alternative, but I want to stay with Ubuntu-flavour.
[01:38] <Bashing-om> maicod: :) .. Yeah, 16.04 (U)buntu is the last to support 32 bit . Other flavours are also dropping 32 bit .
[01:38] <dual_user_kde_wi> Hmm, what about debian or fedora?
[01:38] <maicod> Bashing-om: thats a pitty but at least 16.04 is quite a tad more modern than 12.04 :)
[01:38] <pragmaticenigma> Bashing-om: that's not true
[01:39] <pragmaticenigma> 32 bit support is not being dropped, what is being dropped is the ISO builds
[01:39] <maicod> pragmaticenigma: yeah I read that too
[01:39] <maicod> so my upgrading steps will end to 18.x ?
[01:39] <maicod> the lastest release of Ubuntu
[01:40] <pragmaticenigma> I am currently running 18.04.1 on a Celeron circa 2003
[01:40] <Bashing-om> pragmaticenigma: I am open to knowing better. Last I was aware even lubuntu is dropping the 32 bit support in 18.10 ?
[01:40] <maicod> Bashing-om: I dont bash you (word joke ofcourse) for not knowing everything. I appreciate your help
[01:40] <pragmaticenigma> Bashing-om: What is happening is the Ubuntu groups are no longer building installation ISOs for older hardware. The reason is testing is becoming more difficult for the ISOs. The devs can test 32 bit without any issue on 64 bit machines
[01:41] <maicod> what is currently the most recent LTS version and will I be able to end up to that version with my upgrade steps?
[01:41] <Bashing-om> maicod: The play on bash for my part is deliberate .. in that I do bash my self up .. and then om ( wonder) about it :)
[01:41] <pragmaticenigma> maicod: At the end of your journey, you will end up at 18.04.1
[01:42] <maicod> pragmaticenigma: cool!
[01:42] <maicod> but I like Unity, so I guess I have to stay on a bit lower version right ?
[01:42] <maicod> first I hated it :)
[01:42] <pragmaticenigma> assuming all goes smoothly of course. upgrading LTS to LTS is pretty straight forward so long as you haven't strayed outside of the default Ubuntu software distribution channels
[01:43] <maicod> don't think I have
[01:43] <StuckMojo> when a package is kept back, how do you see why? (cmd line)
[01:43] <maicod> Bashing-om: its funny :)
[01:43] <pragmaticenigma> maicod: 18.04.1 still has Unity avaialable, and there are instructions on how to get it up and running, that are very straight forward to follow
[01:43] <maicod> ah right !
[01:44] <fabricius> dual_user_kde_wi: Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is more strict in terms of FOSS culture and you usually have to do more decisions on your own ... it is not so different, but from my point of view there is some extra learning curve that then provides extra freedom ... I do not really have the time to cope with that even I do plan to get more in depth and at least use Debian besides Ubuntu with the option to cha
[01:44] <maicod> I hooked the laptop up to wired LAN cause otherwise ...... :)
[01:44] <dual_user_kde_wi> ty for your answer fabricius
[01:44] <pragmaticenigma> by default the upgrade from 16.04 will switch to Gnome-shell desktop. Plenty of tutorials on how to install Unity and restore Unity as the default desktop
[01:46] <fabricius> anyway dual_user_kde_wi I just need a stable running system which I can handle enough to work efficient and secure enough ... so /home is more important for me that wether I work on Debian or Ubuntu ... and the flavour I choose to which desktop suits me most for pleasant and efficient workflow.
[01:46] <maicod> ok I will google for it, or if you have a good online article I am happy to get the url from you
[01:48] <fabricius> dual_user_kde_wi: abot Fedora I cannot say too much ... I have heard good things, but I really get a lot of benefit from the ubuntuusers.de website and I got used to the debian command line to some extend.
[01:48] <pragmaticenigma> maicod: should be as easy as "sudo apt install ubuntu-unity-desktop"
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> maicod: While I dislike the site hosting this information (i'm fairly certain they lifted the content from another site without citation) they have a decent tutorial: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-unity-desktop-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[01:50] <fabricius> dual_user_kde_wi: with a debootstrap setup with 3 boot partitions and a shared /home imho you should be able to easily switch from a productive Debian/Ubuntu to test Fedora on the running system and forth and back to your productive Ubuntu just by rebooting .. just work with the same data from a spare boot partition and see how it works and feels for you
[01:51] <fabricius> For myself I do not see a reason to switch from the Debian world or from the Ubuntu flavours.
[01:51] <pragmaticenigma> fabricius: If you are not offering support, please take the conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic ... Fedora and other linux varients are offtopic here
[01:51] <fabricius> It would be only for curiosity
[01:52] <maicod> pragmaticenigma: thanks!
[01:53] <maicod> I've always wondered what does the distro's -04 mean ?
[01:53] <pragmaticenigma> 12, 14, 16, 18 are the release year, 04 and 10 are the release month
[01:53] <maicod> ah right !
[01:53] <maicod> simple
[01:54] <jsievers> favor... anyone plz send me a mention.  i'm hacking on a dbus/notify  thing and need to test.  thx!
[01:54] <pheni> jsievers,
[01:54] <pragmaticenigma> jsievers: this is not a testing channel, please test in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:54] <jsievers> ding, ding!! it works and much appreciated
[01:55] <fabricius> pragmaticenigma: I answered questions. maybe a bit extensive. If I violated (obviously I did) the culture of this channel I say sorry. Couldn't know that the topic is not Ubuntu in general, but Ubuntu-Support only.
[01:55] <jsievers> pragmaticenigma:  ack, thx
[01:58] <maicod> is there some server disconnection going on ?
[02:00] <meti_24> hi
[02:00] <avash> hi
[02:00] <laku> hi
[02:00] <besi_boss> hi
[02:00] <pikolini> hi
[02:00] <diamanti> hi
[02:00] <matrix_20> hi
[02:00] <denzi> hi
[02:00] <nje_shkoden> hi
[02:00] <michigan> hi
[02:01] <almond_uk> hi
[02:01] <michigan> hi
[02:01] <UserUS> hi
[02:01] <barcelonasi> hi
[02:01] <Broken_Heart> hi
[02:01] <barcelonasi> hi
[02:01] <pragmaticenigma> maicod: It is likely the bans for bots spamming the channel expired
[02:01] <maicod> ah right, its really annoying this eh
[02:02] <N-Y-P-D> yes
[02:02] <bjondina-32> yes
[02:02] <njishi> yes
[02:02] <bobi> yes
[02:02] <HARIXHIU> yes
[02:02] <keisi> yes
[02:02] <usa_girl> yes
[02:02] <blak_devil_23> yes
[02:02] <vetem_dashuri> yes
[02:02] <fierakuuuu> yes
[02:02] <dual_user_kde_wi> wtf? is that usual on this channel?
[02:02] <N-Y-P-D> yess
[02:02] <njishi> yess
[02:02] <bobi> yess
[02:02] <boy> yess
[02:02] <keisi> yess
[02:02] <fierakuuuu> yess
[02:02] <blak_devil_23> yess
[02:02] <vushtrria_23> yess
[02:02] <vetem_dashuri> yess
[02:02] <Kosovarja_Be> yess
[02:02] <pragmaticenigma> dual_user_kde_wi: please mind your language and abbreviations
[02:02] <Vizitori17> yess
[02:02] <Vizitori17> yess
[02:02] <Vizitori17> yess
[02:03] <meti234> yess
[02:03] <suada-el> yess
[02:03] <bjondina-32> yess
[02:03] <BaYerN^MuNcHeN> yess
[02:03] <armani23hamshor-> yess
[02:03] <masimo_2006> yess
[02:03] <albani> yess
[02:03] <rruges> yess
[02:03] <xhilda> yess
[02:03] <Cortex> yess
[02:04] <bjondina-32> mwsb ?
[02:04] <meti234> mwsb ?
[02:04] <masimo_2006> mwsb ?
[02:04] <xhilda> mwsb ?
[02:04] <armani23hamshor-> mwsb ?
[02:05] <suada-el> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <BaYerN^MuNcHeN> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <masimo_2006> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <rruges> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <xhilda> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <albani> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <nina> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <ProblemI-Zh> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <armani23hamshor-> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <suada-el> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <BaYerN^MuNcHeN> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <masimo_2006> mwsb ? stupeed hahahaha
[02:05] <UserUS> is there like a bot running or something?
[02:05] <pragmaticenigma> UserUS: Yes, ops are working on it
[02:05] <maicod> good
[02:06] <UserUS> Anything I can do to help?
[02:06] <Aph3x-WL> freenode has been under attack from a botspammer for like a month now
[02:06] <UserUS> Got an IP?
[02:06] <pragmaticenigma> UserUS: We will let the admins of freenode handle it. There is no need to get involved
[02:06] <maicod> I think they use whole IP-pools (like DDOS)
[02:08] <Aph3x-WL> they're using compromised IoT devices
[02:08] <UserUS> Damn, that’s awesome, but not cool what they’re doing with it
[02:09] <pragmaticenigma> UserUS: For more information on the ongoing attack, see https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[02:09] <Astori> pragmaticenigma
[02:09] <pragmaticenigma> UserUS: In the meantime, lets keep the room focused on support
[02:13] <pragmaticenigma> Astori: is there an Ubuntu support question I can try to help answer?
[02:13] <maicod> pragmaticenigma: the upgrade is running fine so I'm off . thanks for your help
[02:14] <swift110> yes the spam has been bad Aph3x-WL
[02:14] <pragmaticenigma> cheers maicod ... wish you great luck
[02:14] <maicod> thanks
[02:14] <Astori> what  suport  bro
[02:15] <pragmaticenigma> !support | Astori
[02:15] <Astori> ahhhh
[02:15] <Astori> i dont know good english
[02:15] <cfhowlett> what language do you use?
[02:16] <Astori> grece
[02:16] <Astori> i am fromalbania
[02:16] <Astori> from  albania
[02:17] <ChaiTRex> Albufo: You can try #ubuntu-gr
[02:17] <ChaiTRex> Albufo: They speak Greek.
[02:17] <Albufo> ok
[02:55] <aimnano> Can anyone help with ubuntu core on ESXi?
[02:56] <aimnano> I've deployed via OVA.  Everything I am seeing indicates I should get an initial configuration wizard where I can configure networking an SSH RSA keys for authentication.
[02:59] <aimnano> But I am just getting a login prompt via the console (and no password combination I can come up with as recommended by various googled guides are working) and SSH with key on various ports (22,8022) also isn't working
[02:59] <aimnano> anyone else ever tried this?
[04:18] <qwebirc20733> yo I'm attempting to run some commands through terminal. for example: j=1; for file in *.jpg; do mv "$file".jpg "$file - 0$j"; let j = j+1; done; but I can't get the commands to execute.
[04:19] <qwebirc20733> Any suggestions.
[06:38] <CoolerZ> after you take a screenshot using the "screenshot" program
[06:38] <CoolerZ> how do you take another one?
[06:38] <CoolerZ> it doesn't seem to have that option, i keep having to reopen it
[06:42] <x03ff4a9778> CoolerZ, for a second I thought you were the quaker cooller.sorry for the offtopic :P
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: try printscreen button, that takes automatic screenshots
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: alternate there are other screenshot apps, like scrot & kazam
[07:01] <Aaron> and don't forget about gimp as well xD
[07:06]  * Evie regrets upgrading her Macbook 2,1 to 18.04. Can't boot, display issues.
[07:12] <Angelblack> hey how to update ubuntu kernel
[07:12] <Angelblack> like linux mint
[07:14] <Angelblack> anyone here?
[07:14] <vjman> just like install some package
[07:15] <Angelblack> does ubuntu provide a list like mint :)
[07:15] <vjman> you can make the kernel and update to your system
[07:15] <Angelblack> i didnt understand
[07:16] <guiverc> Angelblack, When you `apt dist-upgrade`; or `apt full-upgrade`, your kernel package gets updated.  What do you mean by 'list'?
[07:17] <Angelblack> in mint they used to give a choice of vatious kernels stable unstable recommended...
[07:17] <Angelblack> apt dist-upgrade thanks
[07:19] <Angelblack> they are not giving kernel list
[07:19] <Angelblack> my ubuntu is latest...i want to update kernel
[07:20] <CoolerZ> lotuspsychje, that doesn't allow you to select a part of the screen tho
[07:20] <CoolerZ> so i have to crop later
[07:20] <DrManhattan> How do I make the monitor turn off when I boot without a GUI?
[07:20] <DrManhattan> on a laptop specifically, but in general on whatever
[07:20] <guiverc> Linux Mint is a derivative of Ubuntu and has options to restrict packages (increasing security risk) - Ubuntu defaults to secure.  Ubuntu has HWE (hardware enablement) kernel choices; but I still don't know what you mean.
[07:20] <DrManhattan> I'd like it to power off when unused
[07:20] <guiverc> Angelblack ^
[07:27] <Angelblack> thx guiverc...btw ubuntu has a website that shows all supported kernels...what are lowlatency kernels are they faster
[07:30] <Angelblack> i use 4.15 latest one is 4.18
[07:31] <Angelblack> i use kernel version 4.15.0 -33 latest one is 4.18.05
[07:34] <Angelblack> pls help
[07:34] <guiverc> Angelblack, low-latency just have options set for video/audio production that is supposed to make those time-critical functions better, I've never used any, so haven't learnt about them, and cannot find a good wiki/source I can trust sorry
[07:36] <Angelblack> thanks but should i update my kernel to 4.18 generic since it dosent prompt me kernel updates during software updates thank you?
[07:38] <guiverc> Angelblack, for security you should use the default kernel, and stick to a standard Ubuntu kernel. If you need the latest for hardware reasons (& use a LTS release) you should enable HWE.    Security fixes get backported to the supported kernels; once a kernel is EOL it's ignored (no security fixes)
[07:40] <Angelblack> this is for learning purposes guiverc...that mean i need not update kernels...yeah but i need a new kernel because wifi working sporadically
[07:41] <Angelblack> my old kernel worked best
[07:42] <Angelblack> if i update the kernel the the wifi bug gets fixed i guess..
[07:42] <Angelblack> ^guiverc
[07:42] <guiverc> a good place to learn info about HWE (enablement stack) is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack.  It'll cause 18.04 LTS to jump to using the 4.17 [i'm using as on 18.10,] when 18.10 gets released.
[07:43] <Angelblack> k thanks...then i read it ...See u soon
[07:47] <Angelblack> i guess ill keep it disabled...but ill update my kernel...i dont want hwe to break things
[07:48] <Angelblack> and kernel updates are quite frequent
[07:49] <bugzbunny20> Kernel updates shouldn't bring things
[07:49] <bugzbunny20> But if you are moving from 3.0 to 4.0
[07:50] <bugzbunny20> If you are moving 4.2 to 4.9
[07:51] <DrManhattan> Hello, I'm running 18.04 server on a laptop with no GUI and I'm hoping to poweroff the screen when there's no input. Google is not yielding me good results. The screen stays on. Can anyone here help?
[07:51] <Angelblack> thanks bugzbunny20...
[07:52] <Angelblack> i have enabled lockscreen but dosent show during starting the pc
[07:52] <Angelblack> and it asks for login keyring
[07:53] <Angelblack> how to get a lockscreen
[07:53] <Angelblack> when i log out only then ,
[07:53] <Angelblack> lockscreen comes
[07:55] <Angelblack> i want a lockscreen when i start a laptop,can anyone tell me the problem?
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> Angelblack: thats not the reason for a lockscreen
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> Angelblack: a lock screen is meant for when you are away, to lock the screen
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> Angelblack: so when booting your pc, use the login manager
[07:57] <Angelblack> ubuntu is pretty useful for me...i have programs and file source codes that i dont want people to access...i need locksceen
[07:57] <Angelblack> login manager?
[07:58] <Angelblack> ok i disabled automatic login...ill restart thanks
[08:05] <Angelblack> yeah now i can see the login manager ...i and the wifi got fixed i dont know how....not using cable..i hope it dosent break again...and it dosent ask for a login keyring password
[08:06] <Angelblack> i dont know how but my user password was different from sudo password
[08:07] <Angelblack> i changed it using passwd ACER *****
[08:09] <Angelblack> i never set user password different from sudo password
[08:14] <Angelblack> btw what is the default user password?
[08:18] <ducasse> Angelblack: there isn't one, you set it during installation
[08:19] <Angelblack> k thanks gotta go
[08:21] <DrManhattan> Hello, I'm running 18.04 server on a laptop with no GUI and I'm hoping to poweroff the screen when there's no input. Google is not yielding me good results. The screen stays on. Can anyone here help?
[08:22] <feodoran> my vol+/vol-/mute keys only work occasionally (after booting they either work or not, until next reboot). other media keys are working just fine. any ideas where this is coming from?
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: see also the #ubuntu-server channel mate
[08:22] <DrManhattan> thx
[08:27] <EriC^^> DrManhattan: did you try xset s
[08:28] <DrManhattan> I don't have X installed
[08:29] <EriC^^> oh right
[08:30] <DrManhattan> :((
[08:51] <qwebirc36207> is trim enabled on ubuntu by default?
[08:51] <qwebirc36207> it seems to me like it  isn't, and would enabling the fstrim.timer systemd unit file enable trim properly?
[08:52] <EriC^> qwebirc36207: which ubuntu version?
[08:52] <qwebirc36207> 18.04
[08:52] <EriC^> qwebirc36207: yes it is
[08:52] <EriC^> qwebirc36207: look at /etc/cron.weekly for a fstrim file
[08:53] <qwebirc36207> EriC^: i did, and there isn't one. that's why I afterwards ran "sudo systemctl enable fstrim.timer"
[08:54] <EriC^> qwebirc36207: hmm
[08:54] <EriC^> is it there now?
[08:54] <EriC^> just curious
[08:55] <qwebirc36207> nope, maybe it will be created upon first invocation of the timer?
[09:00] <zack007> hello,are you ok ?
[09:21] <bobdobbs> I want to create a pamphlet. I often use gimp and inkscape, but they aren't ideal for this afaict. What are the best software options for desktop publishing available to an ubuntu user?
[09:22] <Tramtrist> bobdobbs: hm?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> bobdobbs: desktop publishing as?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> bobdobbs: record your desktop?
[09:23] <bobdobbs> lotuspsychje: no. desktop publishing as in creating materials for printing
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> bobdobbs: can you give an example of that please
[09:24] <bobdobbs> Books
[09:24] <bobdobbs> Books are most often created using software
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> !info scribus | bobdobbs
[09:25] <bobdobbs> Software for creating books, pamphlets, monographs etc... are desktop publishing tools
[09:25] <mwsb> latex maybe
[09:25] <bobdobbs> mwsb: isn't that basically a language?
[09:26] <bobdobbs> like, a markup language for print?
[09:26] <mwsb> Yeah, pretty much a markup language.
[09:26] <bobdobbs> I'm really more after a gui tool
[09:26] <bobdobbs> I'm looking into scribus now. But the last time I played with it, it was very difficult so I gave up
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> !info lyx | bobdobbs
[09:29] <bobdobbs> lotuspsychje: looks like lyx is a tool for formatted structured documents. Not really what I'm looking for.
[09:41] <Tramtrist> whats going on in here
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> Tramtrist: this channel is for support only
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> Tramtrist: try #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss for more active chat
[09:45] <Tramtrist> oh ok
[09:53] <bumblefuzz> I'm running ubuntu 18.04 and having trouble setting defined DNS servers for the system to use
[09:53] <bumblefuzz> it keeps defaulting to DHCP assigned DNS servers
[09:56] <blackroot> you can lock resolv.conf
[09:56] <blackroot> after you changed it
[10:00] <blackflow> bumblefuzz: how are you setting the DNS? via resolved.conf?
[10:08] <bumblefuzz> blackflow: I tried that initially but found an article about netplan
[10:09] <bumblefuzz> I tried that as well but it's still using the DHCP default DNS servers
[10:12] <blackflow> bumblefuzz: is this a desktop? you can disable DNS from wired connection settings, that should prevent it being set via DHCP
[10:13] <blackflow> bumblefuzz: altenatively, remove domain-name-servers from /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf  list of params for "request" option
[10:13] <bumblefuzz> blackflow: this is a laptop on wifi
[10:14] <blackflow> bumblefuzz: same option "DNS" should exist in the wireles connection settings
[10:16] <bumblefuzz> right, I've added my desired servers to this list, as well as /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf but when I run a check here: https://www.grc.com/dns/dns.htm it always shows a different address
[10:17] <blackflow> bumblefuzz: "this list"?
[10:18] <bumblefuzz> the list of DNS servers in the DHCP connection settings...
[10:18] <blackflow> in dhclient you should really just disable DNS, and then set the wanted servers in resolved.conf.  systemd-resolved is the centerpiece now in Ubuntu. alternatively completely disable it and run a manual config in /etc/resolv.conf
[10:19] <bumblefuzz> I need a simple manual override for DNS that forces the system to use only the servers specified
[10:19] <bumblefuzz> that's all I need
[10:19] <blackflow> bumblefuzz: note, resolved.conf, with d at the end. /etc/systemd/resolved.conf   not /etc/resolv.conf
[10:19] <blackflow> after changing that file, systemctl restart systemd-resolved.service
[10:20] <blackflow> but iirc, changing resolved.conf (with d at the end) suffices, no need to alter dhclient.    did you use that file? The DNS= setting in it?
[10:21] <bumblefuzz> ok, I changed /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[10:21] <bumblefuzz> and restarted the service
[10:21] <bumblefuzz> let's do a test
[10:22] <spinningcat> my keyboard sw'tched to english one automatically
[10:22] <spinningcat> i am fixing from gui but that didnt effect it
[10:22] <spinningcat> what can i do
[10:23] <blackflow> spinningcat: "fixing from gui"? how? In main Ubuntu, there's Settings -> Region and Language -> Input sources.
[10:23] <blackflow> if you have multiple sources, shift+space  iirc   changes between them
[10:24] <spinningcat> from keyboard
[10:24] <bumblefuzz> no change to DNS
[10:24] <bumblefuzz> still using the DHCP specified DNS
[10:24] <spinningcat> my keyboard become english
[10:24] <spinningcat> i am using Turkish Q
[10:26] <blackflow> spinningcat: well I gave you the solution above, via Settings in (gnome) Ubuntu. Did you try that?
[10:37] <spinningcat> yes
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> spinningcat: and did it work?
[10:57] <akem> Hey
[10:58] <gunix> does anybody know what CFLAGS are used to compile official ubuntu packages? if -O2 or -O3 ?
[10:58] <akem> With standard ISO can i install a minimal console only version of Ubuntu?
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> akem: on 18.04 you can choose minimal or full install, is that what you need to know?
[11:01] <akem> lotuspsychje, i think yes, i will try that, thanks.
[11:05] <djnb> are there any systemd managers for ubuntu/debian?
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> djnb: there are, bot nothing real handy yet, wanna sign my wishlist please?
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> djnb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1776742
[11:08] <akem> Ha i need at least 8.6 Gb for Ubuntu 18.04 even for minimal apparently since it didn't ask anything.
[11:08] <blackflow> gunix: I think that's defined per package. -O2 is usual, as -O3 is more likely to negatively affect performance, unless in special cases designed for -O3
[11:12] <gunix> blackflow: how can -O3 affect performance?
[11:13] <gunix> blackflow: hmm larger binary size, right
[11:13] <blackflow> gunix: busts cpu caches and assumes too much about the code
[11:13] <gunix> blackflow: well, i guess that means all applications must be tested to see how they behave best, with -O2, -O3 or -Os
[11:13] <blackflow> exactly.
[11:13] <blackflow> there's no blanket answer for which -O is better, as it depends on the specific program.
[11:14] <asphyxia> hi guys, I need a recommendation for a pdf editing tool where I can merge pages and pdf files together. Any reccs?
[11:14] <gunix> blackflow: and i guess it also depende on proc ... the same program compiled with different flags will yield different results when run against different architectures
[11:15] <blackflow> asphyxia: programmatically? via ghostscript (`gs` command). with a GUI? I don't know, sorry.
[11:15] <blackflow> gunix: yeah. compiler optimizations can be.... very evil.
[11:15] <blackflow> as in, brick your BIOS evil if you're not careful.
[11:16] <gunix> blackflow: so -Os would be best for arm and -O3 in theory would be best for high-end CPUs with huge cache
[11:16] <gunix> blackflow: well, -Os would also be best for stuff like intel atom ... that is also weak
[11:17] <blackflow> gunix: like I said, there's no blanket answer. can't say -Os would be best for arm, or -O3 for high end cpus. that really depends on the program
[11:17] <gunix> blackflow: ok, thanks for the info!
[11:18] <asphyxia> blackflow: yes, I just tried ghostscript (which apparently has vulnerabilities) and it made the text unreadable quality :/
[11:20] <blackflow> asphyxia: maybe you just need correct options for it. sorry, I can't help you there as I don't have much experience with it, I just know what it can do.
[11:20] <blackflow> yah, gs is often a customer of CVE lists...
[11:21] <asphyxia> what does that mean
[11:21] <asphyxia> critical vulnerability exploits?
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> !usn | asphyxia
[11:22]  * JimBuntu catching up... uses gs a fair amount
[11:22] <blackflow> asphyxia: various vulnerabilities
[11:23] <blackflow> asphyxia: things become critical depending on the context. sometimes non-critical "local" exploits become nightmare remote code exec vulns because of how the system is set up and what it does.
[11:23] <blackflow> eg, user submitted PDFs in a auto-stitching-PDF-as-a-service-using-gs scenario.
[11:24] <asphyxia> It's so hard to keep up with all the vulnerabilities...
[11:24] <asphyxia> there are too  many haha
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> asphyxia: updating your system is a good start
[11:25] <asphyxia> JimBuntu: any ideas?
[11:26] <blackflow> asphyxia: btw CVE = Common Vulnerability and Exposure, not Critical Vuln..... unless you were kidding :)
[11:27] <asphyxia> no, it was a genuine question haha (: so thanks
[11:28] <asphyxia> Actually it wasn't ghostscript, but imagemagick which uses ghostscript
[11:29] <asphyxia> I don't think ghostscript can combine specific page ranges
[11:29] <blackflow> not sure about ranges, but I used it to stitch PDFs together
[11:31] <JimBuntu> Sorry asphyxia , if allowing others to upload and auto-convert, nope. I wouldn't let gs do that without a lot of sanitization and protection. If using for yourself, then sure, gs is the bomb
[11:33] <JimBuntu> asphyxia, please re-iterate what you want to do again (asking for a friend ;-)
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:36] <asphyxia> yes, I need to combine multiple pdfs and omit certain page ranges e.g. add 0-3 of pdf1 to 4-9 of pdf 2
[11:36] <JimBuntu> I feel certain gs can do this. Lemme check how
[11:36] <asphyxia> I was able to do this with imagemagick but it lost quality during the stitch
[11:36] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, great Saturday to you sir!
[11:36] <JimBuntu> asphyxia, gs has a quality setting, adding it to my lookup
[11:37] <JimBuntu> asphyxia, Be aware, this isn't really an 'ubuntu' thing, so if we get booted, please see #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:37] <BluesKaj> and a Good Morning to you too , JimBuntu
[11:37] <asphyxia> JimBuntu: noted, so gs is a go since I'm only after an individual fix
[11:39] <JimBuntu> asphyxia, pdftk is another option,  example: https://askubuntu.com/questions/953271/rearrange-pdf-pages-using-the-command-line
[11:40] <asphyxia> I'm actually just trying that now haha ^^ ty
[11:42] <asphyxia> sejda SDK is an option as well. ugh I don't have the time for this bool*
[12:03] <Nokaji> Morning folks - I somehow seem to have messed up my 'permissions' across all/most partitions. No major problems though other than I can't cut and paste directories/files but I can create them and even rename them BLKID says I own them all and whoami says it is me
[12:04] <kk4ewt> Nokaji,  so do you want the quick fix or the long fix
[12:04] <Nokaji> last thing major I did was auto mount two partitions and edit fstab just for those two
[12:04] <Nokaji> kk4ewt: the long fix sounds tempting
[12:04] <Nokaji> I'd like to understand what happened
[12:04] <Nokaji> I'd prefer if you teach me to fish
[12:05] <kk4ewt> so what chown commands have you ran lately
[12:05] <Zexaron> Hello
[12:05] <kk4ewt> the short fix is backup your data and reinstall
[12:06] <Nokaji> checking ... I know there is a command to list only chown character matching ... maybe you could give me this if poss, else I have an endless scroll
[12:06] <Zexaron> I'm looking if ubuntu can enable various user messaging about system errors, verbose modes, in GUI even, I don't care how annoying it is, more about filesystem, troubleshooting disk corruption and failures such as disk going offline by it self
[12:06] <Nokaji> reinstall sounds maybe overkill ... I can log in under root and move files
[12:06] <kk4ewt> history |grep chown
[12:06] <Nokaji> great - thanks
[12:07] <kk4ewt> but if you used sudo sometimes they will not show
[12:08] <kk4ewt> Nokaji,  in the linux community you are not learning until you have blown your machine away at least 3 times
[12:08] <BluesKaj> kk4ewt, speak for yourself :-)
[12:08] <Nokaji> kk4ewt: I've prolly hit everything with chown at some point, early on I used '1000' on a handful, everything else is 'me'
[12:08] <Nokaji> I've had a failed boot twice form editing fstab so nearly there :)
[12:09] <Nokaji> (it didn't like " ... prefers escaping via /40 or wottevah it was
[12:09] <kk4ewt> so look at the fstab changes you made and see if you did any ownership changes
[12:09] <Nokaji> furtunatley I knew just enough to run nano and rename fstab.old
[12:10] <kk4ewt> at least you made backups
[12:11] <Nokaji> kk4ewt: too many changes to list but on the two partitions I did a "sudo chown -R me:me" ... previously I left out the -R
[12:12] <Nokaji> I'd understand if only the two partitions were playing up - this aseems all of them (fifteen approx)
[12:12] <Nokaji> is it as simply as throwing a chown -R?
[12:12] <kk4ewt> Nokaji,  and what folder was that on
[12:13] <kk4ewt> sounds like it was on /
[12:13] <Nokaji> it was on a sub sub folder 'after' I noticed I couldn't move stuff other than with root
[12:13] <Nokaji> didn't fix it
[12:14] <Nokaji> but i've done chown at root partition level across the board
[12:14] <Nokaji> without -R
[12:15] <Nokaji> what is your thinking so far?
[12:16] <Nokaji> sorry, by 'root' partition level I mean at / ... not under root command
[12:16] <Soul_Sample> so, after days and days of investigating why 18.04 drops wifi connection every half an hour, i discovered that my new ISP configured the router to renew DHCP leases every 30 minutes. no question, just needed to type this out loud somewhere.
[12:17] <Nokaji> kk4ewt: correction, I did use -R but after naming the specified partition
[12:17] <blackflow> Soul_Sample: it's better to yell it out loud at the ISP
[12:19] <Nokaji> so sudo chown me:me /me/media/"Partition 1" -R
[12:25] <Nokaji> chown's were used up to line 386, then not again until line 590 ... so maybe the early ones did nothing worng or I am very slow to notice ... that leaves only a two chowns, one if you discount the one where I left out the "" (same sub-directory onpartition)n
[12:33] <Nokaji> kk4ewt: Not sure if you are still there - I need to run an errand shortly, maybe I'll do that now unless you are still here
[12:38] <Nokaji> okay, bbiab ... ~45mins
[12:39] <NetTerminalGene> hi. can i install program when i am in live usb? it doesn't have to be permenant?
[12:39] <NetTerminalGene> i want to test supertuxkart in live image
[12:44] <RonaldsMazitis> hello everyone, I have problems with my mouse not working after some time
[12:44] <RonaldsMazitis> I have to restart PC so it would work
[12:57] <Sven_vB> NetTerminalGene, if you have persistency enabled on your live USB, you can install it onto the live USB, with no traces on the other disks.
[12:58] <NetTerminalGene> Sven_vB, can i install without persistency?
[12:59] <Sven_vB> NetTerminalGene, I think it should be possible to install the program even w/o persistency. you'll probably lose all side effects on next shutdown.
[12:59] <NetTerminalGene> i need a certain answer
[12:59] <Sven_vB> RonaldsMazitis, please pastebin ( https://paste.ubuntu.com/ ) the syslog entries from around the time your mouse stopped working, from some minutes before to some minutes after.
[13:00] <Sven_vB> NetTerminalGene, why would it be a problem if the USB memory was modified?
[13:00] <RonaldsMazitis> kern.log?
[13:00] <Sven_vB> RonaldsMazitis, /var/log/syslog
[13:01] <RonaldsMazitis> there's nothing about mouse in syslog1
[13:02] <RonaldsMazitis> syslog.1
[13:02] <Sven_vB> RonaldsMazitis, does it cover the target timespan?
[13:03] <Sven_vB> RonaldsMazitis, the most recent syslog is the one without a number.
[13:03] <RonaldsMazitis> I don't have one
[13:06] <RonaldsMazitis> there is a lot of sensitive information in syslog
[13:06] <RonaldsMazitis> I don't want to copy whole thing
[13:07] <Sven_vB> yeah, you can probably filter that. or you can monitor udevadm next time, this will create a log file with just hardware changes.
[13:07] <RonaldsMazitis> I can copy, but from syslog.1
[13:07] <Sven_vB> if it has the right timespan, that will do.
[13:08] <Sven_vB> in case you want to watch udev, you'd set aside a terminal that runs a command like this (creates udevadm.log in your home folder): stdbuf -o0 -e0 udevadm monitor |& tee ~/udevadm.log
[13:08] <RonaldsMazitis> so I restart and start that
[13:09] <Sven_vB> yeah. once your mouse is back we'll figure out more stuff to collect info about your hardware before and after.
[13:09] <Sven_vB> how is the mouse connected? USB? bluetooth?
[13:09] <RonaldsMazitis> usb
[13:11] <Sven_vB> how long does it usually take until the mouse stops working?
[13:14] <Nokaji> Anyone else know why I cannot C&P on any? partition but I can create, rename and delete new Dirs or files (everything else seems to be running fine)?
[13:14] <Nokaji> I can't move those same created Dirs/files
[13:18] <Sven_vB> Nokaji, try the same operations via terminal commands. that should give you meaningful error messages.
[13:18] <Sven_vB> or do you have error messages already?
[13:18] <Nokaji> Sven_vB: good thinking bcuz so far it makes no sense to me
[13:27] <djnb> is there a reason ubuntu has no admin tools whatsoever?
[13:28] <pragmaticenigma> djnb: there are many configuration tools, it depends on what you are trying to configure though
[13:28] <pragmaticenigma> djnb: or even administrate?
[13:38] <Sven_vB> is there a way to query my power supply unit for current power consumption?
[13:38] <RonaldsMazitis> Sven_vB: mouse has not stopped working yet
[13:38] <RonaldsMazitis> it stops working after I stop using it
[13:38] <Sven_vB> RonaldsMazitis, that's good! :) does it show up in lsusb?
[13:39] <Sven_vB> … and in xinput --list?
[13:40] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h76dKW8JX7/
[13:40] <RonaldsMazitis> ↳ USB OPTICAL MOUSE                       	id=10	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: for a laptop or desktop?
[13:41] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, laptop, but battery is fully charged.
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: powertop is the most common recommendation I've seen: https://askubuntu.com/a/118287
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> that post shows both powertop and powerstat
[13:43] <Sven_vB> I'm looking at powertop now but I can't find current power consumption
[13:44] <Sven_vB> powerstat: Machine is not discharging, cannot measure power usage.
[13:45] <Sven_vB> so that's based on the battery discharge rate as well
[13:45] <Sven_vB> which I can get from procfs way easier :)
[13:46] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: I think thats starting to get into the lower level how the battery management circuit is wired. Most machines bypass the batter when the unit is plugged into mainline service. So the monitor circuit will not see any draw
[13:46] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, it's strange that your mouse doesn't show up in lsusb. or maybe it's the name-less device on top.
[13:48] <Sven_vB> sorry that was for ronalads…
[13:49] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, another stackoverflow thread sounds like usual AC PSUs just don't expose any sensor data, so I'm probably out of luck. :(
[13:50] <pragmaticenigma> Everywhere I've looked for AC (Desktop or Laptop) suggest using a wall monitor like Kill-a-Watt
[13:52] <Sven_vB> at least now I know I don't need to waste more time on a software approach.
[13:58] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: I know that some systems do provided methods to interrogate that, but I think those are found in netbooks/tablet type architectures, where the system always pulls from battery even when charging.
[14:00] <Sven_vB> makes sense. it would probably cost a few cents extra to add sensors and reporting logic to normal PSUs.
[14:04] <Nokaji> Sven_vB: a quick up-date feedback on my C&P issue (that made no sense): Terminal worked fine, so I called up Dolphin File Mgr - worked fine, ultimately I closed and reopened Nemo (c3.6.5 on 18.04 for what it's worth) and it 'now' works as expected - I'm gonna write it off as a temporary Nemo glitch for now - thanks for the steering toward Terminal
[14:04] <Sven_vB> yw :)
[14:06] <Nokaji> by the way - it costs money but I have a coupler to my electricity meter (I'm guessing Hall Effect), also a few plug in boxes that sit between the wall and plug - all give me V,I,W etc - I even have some that sit between USB plug/socket
[14:07] <Nokaji> the hall effect/ wireless txmtr has a wireless LCD display box with buttons to push
[14:08] <Sven_vB> ew. I hope it has a very low update rate, else it could enable side channel attacks.
[14:11] <Nokaji> ? - these are basic meter reader stuff
[14:11] <Nokaji> voltmeters
[14:12] <Sven_vB> if the wireless link is insecure enough to allow an attacker to obtain the measurements, and they're at high resolution, they could infere how busy your CPU is. in case it's currently doing cryptography, the power consumption may reveal information about the keys.
[14:15] <Nokaji> Sven_vB: true but they'd have to separate that data out from the fridge, freezer, oven, lights etc
[14:16] <Sven_vB> I could imagine the analog devices signal is at a frequency much lower than the CPU :)
[14:19] <y0da-> Good morning. trying to install python-pip and i keep getting told no such file
[14:24] <adrian_1908> y0da-: what command do you use exactly?
[14:25] <y0da-> sudo apt install python-pip
[14:26] <y0da-> even added a 3 to python too and still nothing :)
[14:26] <y0da-> i googled first before coming :)
[14:26] <adrian_1908> y0da-: does `apt-cache show python-pip` yield anything?
[14:27] <adrian_1908> y0da-: regular Ubuntu installation, right?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> python-pip is just a python package installer
[14:28] <y0da-> ubuntu server edition but yes
[14:28] <BluesKaj> which python package do want to install, y0da-?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> do you want
[14:28] <adrian_1908> y0da-: so what's the output of the command I gave, anything? package not found?
[14:29] <adrian_1908> BluesKaj: tries to install python-pip
[14:29] <y0da-> gimmie a minute
[14:29] <adrian_1908> ok
[14:29] <BluesKaj> adrian_1908, i don't need it
[14:30] <blackflow> y0da-: /usr/bin/pip  -- that what you seek?
[14:30] <y0da-> theres nothing for the command
[14:30] <adrian_1908> [16:28:37] <BluesKaj> which python package do want to install, y0da-?
[14:30] <blackflow> although, you should be using python-virtualenv and create virtualenvs, which install pip inside them implicitly
[14:30] <y0da-> i just need to install python so i can get pylink :D
[14:31] <adrian_1908> BluesKaj: I thought you meant pip, i didn't see if you just joined as i have those messages muted.
[14:31] <y0da-> python3 is already installed though
[14:31] <BluesKaj> adrian_1908, I wondered wth you were about there
[14:31] <y0da-> l0gic@sloth:~$ apt-cache show python-pip
[14:31] <y0da-> N: Unable to locate package python-pip
[14:31] <y0da-> E: No packages found
[14:32] <ioria> y0da-, probably 'universe' it's not enabled in sources.list
[14:32] <adrian_1908> y0da-: maybe you don't have the universe repo enabled then, would be my guess.
[14:32] <blackflow> !info python-pip
[14:32] <BluesKaj> yofel, then you'd better enable your universe repos in the sources.list
[14:32] <blackflow> although you should seek python3-pip unless you explicitly need 2.x
[14:33] <BluesKaj> oops yoda ^ not yofel
[14:33] <y0da-> so what deb do i need for it?
[14:33] <y0da-> BluesKaj, i kinda figured ;) i opened the source.list :D
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> y0da-: you don't need a deb... the repo has it... we have to figure out why you machine isn't finding it
[14:33] <ioria> y0da-, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1061486/unable-to-locate-package-python-pip-when-trying-to-install-from-fresh-18-04-in
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> y0da-: the universe repository is disabled by default in server... you have to enable it... the link that ioria posted will show you how to do it
[14:35] <y0da-> yea doing it now :)
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> Then you will be able to install python-pip or any other python module package that can be provided through apt
[14:35] <BluesKaj> y0da-, uncomment the universe deb line in /etc/apt sources.list
[14:36] <BluesKaj> err /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:36] <y0da-> there wasnt one
[14:36] <y0da-> so i just added universe to the lines there :)
[14:36] <blackflow> y0da-: you can also enable them through the "Software & Updates" GUI. which Ubuntu is this?
[14:36] <ioria> y0da-,  run again  sudo apt update
[14:36] <y0da-> blackflow, no gui :D
[14:37] <y0da-> all terminal base
[14:37] <blackflow> I see.
[14:37] <adrian_1908> should be working now, give him a second :)
[14:37] <y0da-> its Ubuntu server 18.0.4 :)
[14:37] <y0da-> yea its installing :)
[14:37] <y0da-> thanks :)
[14:39] <blackflow> y0da-: just remember not to use pip with sudo
[14:39] <adrian_1908> If the web doesn't lie, one can even just do `add-apt-repository universe` nowadays. I didn't know that.
[14:39] <y0da-> yea :)
[14:40] <y0da-> Now i have to fix my webserver on the business server... wont let me login to wordpress lol
[14:41] <y0da-> screw it thats for later lol
[14:49] <y0da-> Command "python setup.py egg_info" failed with error code 1 in /tmp/pip-install-OMuDEZ/pylinkirc/
[14:49] <y0da-> l0gic@arcturus:~/irc/winchat/PyLink$
[14:49] <y0da->  another fail :(
[14:49] <y0da-> oh it needs a python 3 lol
[14:49] <y0da-> im gonna go to a different box
[14:55] <blackflow> y0da-: well I did warn you to look into python3-pip instead ;)
[14:55] <y0da-> i had pip3 working then i updraded and now it quit lol
[14:55] <y0da-> just pip works lol
[15:00] <y0da->  pip3 install pyyaml Traceback (most recent call last):  File "/usr/bin/pip3", line 9, in <module> from pip import main ImportError: cannot import name 'main'
[15:03] <RonaldsMazitis> Sven_vB: I was banned for invalid characters,
[15:04] <RonaldsMazitis> Sven_vB: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tFrVcV6Dgt/
[15:04] <RonaldsMazitis> mouse has not yet stopped workin
[15:04] <blackflow> y0da-: no --user with pip?
[15:04] <blackflow> y0da-: or is this in a virtualenv?
[15:15] <y0da-> it was via root lol
[15:15] <y0da-> but i got it working :)
[15:16] <blackflow> y0da-: you shouldn't be installing with pip as root.
[15:16] <blackflow> you're setting yourself up for massive fail.
[15:16] <y0da-> i thought the setuptools and shit had to be
[15:17] <blackflow> y0da-: no, you mustn't use pip or any python setup tools as root, becuse you clobber the main namespace where python packages install files. you're creating a huge mess.
[15:17] <blackflow> effectively you have a clash of two package managers, pip and apt, if you use pip as root/sudo.
[15:18] <blackflow> pip _will_ overwrite something installed by packages, which will be at different version, and then it's popcorn time.
[15:19] <blackflow> so either use pip with --user, or use a virtualenv. I said this before and you acknowledge it, I thought oyu knew it already.
[15:23] <spacefrog> hi guys
[15:24] <spacefrog> i just installed Ubuntu 18.04 on an amd cpu/gpu combo and my second monitor isn't working. I tried to install the amd-gpu-pro driver form AMD, but that didn't seem to help either
[15:24] <spacefrog> i'm running a RX570 in my system
[15:25] <spacefrog> when i do lspci -k, it shows that amdgpu is the driver in use
[15:26] <tomreyn> spacefrog: can you return the output of this command: xrandr | pastebinit
[15:27] <spacefrog> btw, i went ahead and uninstalled the amd official drivers, and rebooted since it didn't seem to change anything
[15:27] <spacefrog> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WMhM6vscbj/
[15:28] <blackflow> isn't amdgpu part of the kernel?
[15:28] <blackflow> as in, no need to install anything in addition (xcept xorg interface to it which should be automatic anyway)?
[15:28] <tomreyn> spacefrog: looks like two displays are detected with possibly correct resolutions
[15:29] <spacefrog> tomreyn, that's true
[15:29] <spacefrog> one display keeps turning off
[15:30] <tomreyn> blackflow: amdgpu is an OSS driver, which can be complemented by proprietary extensions provided by the amdgpu-pro driver (which adds extra functionality on top of the OSS driver)
[15:30] <tomreyn> spacefrog: the one on displayport or dvi?
[15:30] <blackflow> tomreyn: I see.
[15:30] <akem> Hey, i plugged my phone, i can see it in nautilus file explorer, however i can't see where it is mounted on the filesystem, how can i find out? i tried 'mount' in terminal still can't see it.
[15:31] <spacefrog> DisplayPort
[15:32] <blackflow> akem: somewhere in /media/   but it should be listed by `mount`. maybe it's not really mounted? "can see it in nautilus" means the device is visible, but not necessarily with the filesystem mounted
[15:32] <akem> In nautilus i did properties and i got parent folder: "mtp://%5Busb%3A001,075%5D/Carte%C2%A0SD%20SanDisk"
[15:33] <spacefrog> findmnt
[15:33] <blackflow> akem: actually, forget what I said. you have mtp protocol used, that's not a filesystem mount
[15:33] <tomreyn> spacefrog: does it switch on when you do: xrandr --output DisplayPort-0 --mode 1280x1024
[15:34] <spacefrog> tomreyn, it does, indeed
[15:34] <spacefrog> it's a mirror of my main display
[15:34] <akem> blackflow, i see...i never heard about this before, that's why i couldn't find it, so i cannot easly access it from terminal?
[15:35] <tomreyn> spacefrog: how had you configured it previously?
[15:35] <spacefrog> tomreyn, first time using ubuntu
[15:35] <blackflow> akem: I don't know if there's a command line mtp client. anyway, some phones can export their storage as usb storage, so it's visible to the kernel as a storage device
[15:35] <ioria> akem, check  /run/user/1000/gvfs/
[15:36] <tomreyn> spacefrog: so you're using default ubuntu, not a variant such as xubuntu, lubuntu kubuntu etc?
[15:36] <blackflow> oh yeah, gvfs
[15:36] <spacefrog> tomreyn, default Ubuntu
[15:36] <spacefrog> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pFwYb6JBgn/
[15:36] <akem> Great it works i can list files, thanks blackflow and ioria!
[15:36] <ioria> akem, ok
[15:37] <tomreyn> spacefrog: so if you click on "activities" in the upper left corner, then type "display" and click on the displays icon, what do you see?
[15:38] <spacefrog> the settings app comes up, show my displays
[15:38] <spacefrog> well, in this case, only one display is showing in there
[15:39] <spacefrog> i booted Fedora 28 and the issue was present there too, which leads me to believe it might be an issue with wayland
[15:39] <ioria> spacefrog, wayland ? is it in use ?
[15:39] <spacefrog> i assumed as much
[15:39] <spacefrog> i don't know for sure
[15:40] <ioria> spacefrog, echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[15:40] <spacefrog> my bad, says X11
[15:40] <ioria> ok
[15:40] <tomreyn> spacefrog: can you post a screne shot of the displays settings on the settings app?
[15:40] <spacefrog> tomreyn, sure. 1 sec
[15:40] <tomreyn> https://imgur.com/upload
[15:42] <spacefrog> https://imgur.com/a/YnkEhLI
[15:44] <tomreyn> spacefrog: so if you clic on 'single display' on top and arrange the two displays next to each other (drag + drop) as they are positioned on your desk, then confirm the changes (top right, i think), does this work?=
[15:44] <tomreyn> you get a 30s test uon applyinog changes, before it switched back to the previous configuration
[15:45] <spacefrog> now they're arranged properly
[15:45] <tomreyn> spacefrog: an no longer mirrored?
[15:45] <spacefrog> yes
[15:46] <spacefrog> but resolution is out of wack
[15:46] <spacefrog> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/znFhNhtRjM/
[15:47] <tomreyn> spacefrog: so try changing their resultions as desired using the display settings app.
[15:47] <bumblefuzz> hi, I'm trying to change my DNS to manually specified servers and using 18.04
[15:47] <spacefrog> i did, nothing happens
[15:47] <tomreyn> spacefrog: did you "apply"?
[15:47] <tomreyn> the green button top right
[15:47] <bumblefuzz> I've googled it and found several different methods but when I test it, it's always the DHCP assigned DNS addresses
[15:47] <spacefrog> i just did, now the second monitor is acting up again
[15:48] <tomreyn> spacefrog: :-/ maybe we need a newer driver there. let me see whats available (while you can reduce the 2nd monitors' resultion again)+
[15:49] <spacefrog> yeah, i don't think the AMD drive was applied successfully, the first time i tried to install it
[15:49] <spacefrog> although the installation went through without any errors
[15:50] <spacefrog> given that lspci -k was reporting amdgpu instead of amdgpu-pro as the kernel driver in use
[15:50] <bumblefuzz> does anyone have a way I can mandate the DNS servers for 18.04
[15:50] <bumblefuzz> ?
[15:51] <bumblefuzz> nothing I've tried works
[15:51] <Jazzy_J> resolvd is the command.  I'm looking up it's usage.
[15:52] <tomreyn> spacefrog: amdgpu is the proper driver, amdgpu-pro just adds some extra functionality to it. so it was installed properly, but there is a chance that the version of the driver which comes with 18.04 is not ready to fully support your (rather new?) hardware, yet.
[15:52] <y0da-> blackflow, is there a way to undo my mess?
[15:52] <tomreyn> spacefrog: you can try this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[15:52] <tomreyn> !ppa | spacefrog
[15:53] <Moppy> I'm having trouble with overlapping desktop icons in Bionic. When I save anythign to the desktop, it doesn't correctly place the icons. They overlap with the network share icons.
[15:53] <Moppy> It's almost as if the bnetwork share icons and the file icons are being placed by differnet apps that aren't aware of each other.
[15:54] <spacefrog> lol @ new hardware tomreyn.
[15:54] <blackflow> y0da-: no, that's the whole reason of it being a huge problem.
[15:55] <spacefrog> i'm gonna try ppa
[15:55] <spacefrog> thanks
[15:55] <CarlFK> !ppa-purge
[15:55] <tomreyn> spacefrog: is it not? i haven't actually checked
[15:55] <Jazzy_J> bumblefuzz, I'm sorry, you set network settings in netplan.
[15:55] <spacefrog> tomreyn, it has been out for over a year
[15:56] <bumblefuzz> Jazzy_J: I can pastebin anything you need
[15:56] <Jazzy_J> bumblefuzz, https://websiteforstudents.com/configure-static-ip-addresses-on-ubuntu-18-04-beta/
[15:56] <bumblefuzz> I'm trying to use these addresses: 209.222.18.222, 209.222.18.218
[15:57] <y0da-> blah
[15:57] <tomreyn> spacefrog: well, it looks like it might be a bug in mesa rather https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1761751
[15:57] <spacefrog> awesome thanks
[15:57] <Jazzy_J> bumblefuzz, If you are using a desktop, you can use the network manager applet to set it, if headless then you use netplan to set it through editing a yaml file.  I'll generate a sample one with the addresses you gave me.
[15:57] <tomreyn> spacefrog: can you try the workaround discussed there before you use the ppa?
[15:58] <tomreyn> 'Workaround found by adding "amdgpu.dc=0" to kernel boot parameters.'
[15:59] <tomreyn> spacefrog: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters << use the 'temporary' method first.
[16:00] <Azoff> Can you see any reason why KDE/Qt applications suddently stops showing any menus on a 16.04 system? GTK based applications appears to be fine.
[16:01] <Azoff> I've tried with a new user to excelude any borken configuration for the affected user and the same behavior is noted there. I've also checked with debsum, and it does not report any corrupt files
[16:03] <spacefrog> rebooting
[16:03] <tomreyn> Azoff: is there anything related aroud the time this happens on the output the 'dmesg -T | tail -n 200' command produces?
[16:04] <Azoff> It's my parents system and they have rebooted it a cople of times since the first time they complained about it
[16:04] <bumblefuzz_> Jazzy_J: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9N6zspXdCJ/
[16:04] <Azoff> but there is nothing that I would say is of any concern in dmesg no tomreyn
[16:05] <tomreyn> Azoff: is there ~/.xsession-errors* ?
[16:05] <Moppy> Fixed it; seems I had gnome tweak installed and forgot about it :-/ I'm a baboon.
[16:05] <Moppy> However, gnome tweak is now shown not to work with bionic :)
[16:05] <Azoff> tomreyn: not for their user
[16:06] <Azoff> oh wait
[16:06] <tomreyn> Azoff: also, is there anything related in /var/log/Xorg.*.* ?
[16:07] <Jazzy_J> bumblefuzz_, almost done.
[16:08] <Azoff> tomreyn: .xsession-erros does not contain anything useful either. (Wasn't that file name .Xsession* before? With a capital X?)
[16:08] <y0da-> blackflow, what if i removed python and started over :D
[16:08] <ioria> Azoff, appmenu-qt5  is installed ?
[16:08] <Azoff> ioria: no
[16:08] <tomreyn> Azoff: no, the X was always lower case *there*
[16:09] <Azoff> tomreyn: ok, my bad then.
[16:09] <Azoff> tomreyn: anyway, Xorg.0.log does not contain anything after initial startup
[16:10] <blackflow> y0da-: I suppose you could reinstall all python packages, yes. but that won't get rid of the non-clobbered extraneous files that can still cause trouble.
[16:10]  * y0da- bangs head
[16:10] <blackflow> y0da-: plus, I'm not really sure how to find all the packages that installed under /usr/lib/python*
[16:10] <Azoff> tomreyn: and looking though the log, there is only the usual stuff in it
[16:10] <Moppy> y0da-, I am curious; what is the python issue?
[16:11] <blackflow> Moppy: used pip as root
[16:11] <y0da-> i fucked up and installed things via root lol
[16:11] <hggdh> y0da-: please mind your languge
[16:11] <Jazzy_J> bumblefuzz_, try this:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D9dV989KVb/
[16:11] <Moppy> Censorship is getting crazy around here.
[16:12] <blackflow> that's not censorship, if you're talking about pg-13 language
[16:12] <Moppy> We China now? I'm so out of this channel. See you all.
[16:12] <blackflow> bye
[16:13] <Azoff> tomreyn: hm, most of the KDE based apps appears to be working now after an dist-upgrade again, but okular is still broken.
[16:13] <bumblefuzz_> and if I'd like to disable ipv6?
[16:13] <Azoff> tomreyn: k3b looks affected too. This is weird
[16:13] <Jazzy_J> dhcp6: no
[16:14] <blackflow> Jazzy_J: mind you that's switching to networkd backend. if I understood their problem correctly, it's a laptop with wifi, so NM might be preferred
[16:14] <hggdh> blackflow: you can use apt-file: apt-file /usr/lib/python (will show all files from all packages that target  /usr/lib/python
[16:14] <tomreyn> Azoff: hmm, i'm a bit puzzled there. without anything on the logs this will be difficult to analyze.
[16:14] <blackflow> hggdh: ah true
[16:15] <Azoff> tomreyn: indeed, that's why I was turning here if someone have heard about this bizar issue
[16:15] <blackflow> y0da-: as hggdh suggested, you could perhaps check which packages installed in /usr/lib/python   with apt-file and then force-reinstall them
[16:15] <hggdh> y0da-: this will list *all* packages, installed or not
[16:16] <blackflow> hggdh: apt-file? I thought it covers only installed packages?
[16:16] <y0da-> so use this: <hggdh> blackflow: you can use apt-file: apt-file /usr/lib/python (will show all files from all packages that target  /usr/lib/python
[16:16] <hggdh> if you just want the package names (as opposed to *all* files), use -l
[16:16] <hggdh> blackflow: no, all of them
[16:17] <y0da-> sorry im just giving up now lol... i copied it and sent the command to my znc for work tonight :D
[16:17] <blackflow> oh indeed.
[16:17] <y0da-> this rainy weather is making me sleepy :(
[16:19] <tomreyn> Azoff: you could file a bug against kwin: ubuntu-bug kwin
[16:19] <tomreyn> Azoff: this would also collect all the logs and can soemtimes help you identfy some you may have missed so far.
[16:20] <Azoff> tomreyn: think I'll dist-upgrade their other system too and see if it gets the same error
[16:20] <Azoff> after that, I'll file a report.
[16:20] <Azoff> both system has been installed since ages ago and regulary updated.
[16:21] <tomreyn> Azoff: therE's also a chance that this is the result of having updated but incompatible package versions from a ppa still installed after a release upgrade.
[16:22] <tomreyn> Azoff: check "ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported" and try the 'foreign_packages' script available at https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts
[16:22] <Azoff> tomreyn: no, they were freshly installed.
[16:25] <Jazzy_J> bumblefuzz_, you are probably right.  On my 18.04 laptop, I simply use wicd and setup everything through that interface.
[16:25] <Jazzy_J> NetworkManager and I don't like one another.
[16:27] <Azoff> tomreyn: show-unsupported does list a few packages, but nothing related to KDE or Qt in general.
[16:28] <y0da-> l0gic@arcturus:~/irc/winchat/PyLink$ python3 setup.py install error: can't create or remove files in install directory
[16:28] <y0da-> no root lol
[16:28] <y0da-> heres the erro:
[16:28] <y0da-> [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/test-easy-install-12622.write-test'
[16:28] <y0da-> hang on
[16:28] <y0da-> brb
[16:29] <y0da-> Ignore me ;)
[16:29]  * y0da- fixed it
[16:30] <y0da-> l0gic@arcturus:~/irc/winchat/PyLink$ pip3 install pylinkirc -bash: pip3: command not found
[16:30] <tomreyn> Azoff: since it's freshly installed kubuntu and also occurs with a new user account, it has to be either unsupported or defective hardware, or, more likely, a software / firmware bug / driver issue
[16:30] <y0da-> idk what to do for that
[16:31] <tomreyn> Azoff: have you considered installing 18.04 instead of 16.04?
[16:31] <Azoff> tomreyn: apt-show-versions does not list any packages at least
[16:31] <hggdh> y0da-: pip3 is in python3-pip (if this is what you want)
[16:31] <Azoff> tomreyn: yes I have, but the system is not that close to me.
[16:32] <Azoff> tomreyn: so, if it fails, I'll have to spend a few hours in car to fix it ;-)
[16:32] <tomreyn> Azoff: oh i see
[16:34] <y0da-> python3-pip is already the newest version (8.1.1-2ubuntu0.4).
[16:34] <y0da-> its there though
[16:35] <y0da-> i did pip install --upgrade pip and it stopped since then
[16:37] <tomreyn> Azoff: consider also asking in #kubuntu, and to tell us about the graphics hardware + driver, and whether this hardware ever ran fine with any (k)ubuntu version in the past (and which)
[16:37] <Azoff> tomreyn: I'll do that.
[16:37] <Azoff> tomreyn: for your knowledge, this system was installed 797 days ago, and was working fine until about a month ago
[16:39] <Azoff> tomreyn: the system is a Intel NUC i7 with i7-5557U CPU.
[16:40] <tomreyn> Azoff: so far this sounds pretty much like a regression. so i guess i can't help much, but the bug report would seem like a good idea (and may actually help you identify an already existing bug report, if any)
[16:42] <y0da-> im stumpd
[16:44] <y0da-> i think my python is still using 2.* as it runs plesk lol
[16:44]  * y0da- shrugs
[16:45] <blackflow> y0da-: they're parallel. python invokes 2.x, python3 invokes 3.x
[16:45] <blackflow> y0da-: always, as long as PEP394 is in force.
[16:45] <y0da-> no idea lol.. i did python -v and i saw 2.7 lol
[16:45] <Azoff> tomreyn: One thing that I see now when I try a few other KDE based applications is that the buttons are not rendered the same way. I'm thinking that this might be a Qt4 vs Qt5 bug?
[16:45] <y0da-> so i gave up and will run this thing on a different server :)
[16:46] <hggdh> y0da-: which is correct
[16:46] <blackflow> y0da-: yes, that's by design, that "python" command on its own shall always invoke 2.x
[16:46] <y0da-> but i cant get pip3 to work :(
[16:46] <y0da-> python3-pip is installed
[16:46] <y0da-> i should never have upgraded pip lol
[16:47] <blackflow> y0da-: force-reinstall python3-pip ?
[16:47] <Azoff> tomreyn: is there any easy way to see when packages was last updated on an ubuntu based system?
[16:47] <hggdh> y0da-: then there should be a file called /usr/bin/pip3
[16:47] <tomreyn> Azoff: /var/log/apt/term.log
[16:47] <hggdh> y0da-: you should never have upgraded pip *outside* the package system
[16:48] <blackflow> or in other words should never run pip as root :)
[16:48] <blackflow> infact, if you ask me, should never run pip outside of a virtualenv.
[16:49] <y0da-> theres no /usr/bin/pip3
[16:49] <y0da-> i see pip2
[16:49] <hggdh> y0da-: well, there you go.
[16:49] <y0da-> but when i install python3-pip says its installed
[16:49] <y0da-> so how would i force reinstall?
[16:49] <hggdh> y0da-: apt --reinstall install python3-pip
[16:50] <y0da-> yayaya but now i get this
[16:50] <hggdh> y0da-: to be honest, you -- by installing things by hand -- got the package manager quite confused
[16:50] <y0da-> You are using pip version 8.1.1, however version 18.0 is available.
[16:51] <y0da-> You should consider upgrading via the 'pip install --upgrade pip' command.
[16:51] <y0da-> and thats why i broke it lol
[16:52] <hggdh> y0da-: yes. you went out of the package management, and did things you should not have done :-) (like install a different-than-supported version of pip
[16:52] <Azoff> tomreyn: the only package containing "qt4" in it's name, that has been updated this year on the system is libpoppler-qt4-4
[16:53] <blackflow> hggdh: I'd be a bit nitpicky and say not "outside of" package management, but using different package managers that clash over the same filesystem. important distinction, as pip i a defacto python package manager.
[16:53] <y0da-> so now what lol
[16:53] <y0da-> dont touch or what lol
[16:53] <hggdh> blackflow: makes no difference at the end...
[16:54] <hggdh> blackflow: if you use anything out of apt, you make apt not consistent anymore
[16:54] <blackflow> hggdh: depends which pacakge manager you ask ;)    inside a virtualenv, pip would have objections to apt messing things up.
[16:55] <tomreyn> Azoff: i'm afraid i cannot conclude anything based on this information.
[16:55] <hggdh> blackflow: if you have a throw-away environment, then you just throw it away and start fresh.
[16:56] <blackflow> hggdh: right, but I mean to a novice user it's important to understand why both are package managers, why both are okay to use in specific context and when it's NOT okay to use them.
[17:01] <crazyisaac> Hey i have been trying to write with my Ñ in tty but i cant.I looked in Google and in the forums but the solutions didnt help me.Can anyone help me?
[17:05] <hggdh> blackflow: I agree, but what is really important is for a novice to to understand that there are serious consequences to mixing two different package managers that do not integrate
[17:08] <Ridley5> hi all
[17:08] <Azoff> tomreyn: thanks for your help. I'll have to do some other tasks right now. Will digg deeper when I have more time.
[17:09] <Ridley5> anyone can guide me on how to make a wifi hotspot using 2 wifi adapter
[17:09] <Ridley5> one for connecting to an existing wifi network and other to broadcast
[17:09] <Ridley5> like a wifi repeter
[17:09] <hggdh> y0da-: perhaps you will have a chance by uninstalling your pip, and then re-installing the Ubuntu version of it
[17:10] <y0da-> it works it just needs to be updated lol
[17:10] <y0da-> think ill just leave it alone
[17:10] <Ridley5> i foloowed this guide http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/04/create-wifi-hotspot-ubuntu-16-04-android-supported/
[17:10] <hggdh> ok
[17:10] <Ridley5> but i have 2 wifi adapter not wifi + lan
[17:10] <y0da-> why fix something thats not broken right haha
[17:18] <Ridley5> please help
[17:18] <Ridley5> hggdh: can you ? please
[17:29] <blackflow> Ridley5: it should be exactly the same as with wifi+lan.
[17:30] <Ridley5> thanks for the reply blackflow but i use the forst wifi to get data from rooter and the second to bradcast it
[17:33] <blackflow> Ridley5: did you try just doing that? one regular wifi connection, and one hotspot (with its own credentials)
[17:34] <Ridley5> yes but i dindint get internet on the second wifi blackflow
[17:37] <blackflow> Ridley5: can you pastebin output of commands   `ip addr show`  and  `ip route show`  ?
[17:40] <dedze> Hello, I just ran sudo rkhunter --checkall and it has resulted in 4 warnings. I tried to open /var/log/rkhunter.log using the file manager but it refuses me access to it. How can I open this file in gedit from the terminal?
[17:41] <wagle> is there an easy way to "apt purge" everything installed "today"?
[17:43] <blackflow> dedze: which ubuntu?
[17:44] <dedze> blackflow: 16.04
[17:44] <dedze> blackflow: is sudo gedit /var/log/rkhunter the safe and proper way?
[17:45] <blackflow> dedze: try gksudo gedit    where gksudo is in gksu package, if it's not installed already.
[17:47] <dedze> blackflow: Wow I found this line: I"nfo: Found file '/usr/sbin/adduser': it is whitelisted for the 'script replacement' check." is this normal?
[17:49] <blackflow> dedze: not sure what that means.
[17:51] <Ascavasaion> Coul somone tell me why my 1Gb/s ethernet card is now running at 100Mb/s, and how to fix it?
[17:53] <blackflow> wagle: you could look through /var/log/apt/history and make a list of packages to remove from that
[17:54] <blackflow> wagle: history.log, sorry
[17:54] <wagle> yeah, that was plan Z
[17:55] <blackflow> I don't think the installation timestamp is stored anywhere else, like dpkg database or something
[17:55] <blackflow> (except dpkg.log too)
[17:56] <Ascavasaion> changed the port on the switch and 100Mb/s is back to 1Gb
[17:56] <Ascavasaion> weird
[17:58] <Ascavasaion> Night night asll
[17:58] <Ascavasaion> all
[18:00] <database> what to do when lspci freeze my system and to made it usful system again i need to pweroff by pressing powerof  button
[18:01] <blackflow> database: start by investigating the system logs what happened last before poweron
[18:03] <database> blackflow each and evey log
[18:04] <database> blackflow: ubuntu minimal 18.04 boots perfectly but when i shutdown it won't shutdown
[18:05] <blackflow> database: no, journal suffices if you keep it persistent (and I think that's default on Bionic). use --boot=-1 to see previous boot or try timestamp ranges
[18:05] <blackflow> database: now you're talking about two different problems. please solve one problem at a time.
[18:06] <dedze> blackflow: Have a good evening
[18:06] <blackflow> dedze: o/
[18:07] <database> blackflow: which log should i first investigate ?
[18:08] <blackflow> database: journalctl lists all entries. you can use --boot or time ranges with --since and --until to limit to a specific time range
[18:08] <blackflow> otherwise look into /var/log/syslog
[18:09] <database> blackflow: okay
[18:10] <blackflow> database: assuming something was logged before you hit poweroff. if not, there could be a problem with hardware
[18:13] <database> blackflow: wanna see my log file ?
[18:13] <blackflow> database: can you isolate entries that occurred minute or two before reboot?
[18:14] <Ridley5> blackflow:  sorry
[18:14] <Ridley5> i very apreciated your help
[18:15] <database> balckflow: system stop responding and it doesn't reboot by itself i need to long press power button
[18:19] <blackflow> database: that still counts as a reboot. when it's powered ON, the logs start, but the entries BEFORE that, could hold hints as to what happened.
[18:20] <blackflow> so, please take a look at last entries from previous boot, with --boot=-1 option for journalctl
[18:20] <database> blackflow: what you ment by isolate entries and how i can do that
[18:21] <blackflow> database: journalctl --boot=1 | tail -n 20 | nc termbin.com 9999       if I have to spell it out :)
[18:21] <blackflow> in fact, there's -n too, so no need to tail, but eh...
[18:21] <database> okay
[18:22] <blackflow> database: sorry,   --boot=-1   (negative one)
[18:23] <database> blackflow: okay
[18:27] <database> blackflow: http://termbin.com/u1e3
[18:32] <blackflow> database: nothing there. can you also pastebin    journalctl --boot | head -n 10 | nc termbin.com 9999     ? I want to make sure timestamps match
[18:33] <database> balckflow: okay
[18:33] <blakes5> Hi, I'm trying to run kismet at startup. I've tried running it in rc.local but it doesn't function as expected. I've tried creating a /etc/init.d script but that's not working either....I don't really understand startup scripts well and was wondering if someone could help guide me?
[18:36] <database> blackflow: http://termbin.com/pp65
[18:39] <blackflow> database: there's several hours between those. did you wait that long before power on?
[18:42] <database> blackflow: no
[18:42] <database> if you wish i can run "lspci" and then i will poweroff
[18:44] <blackflow> database: you'd still need to get the logs before that poweroff. I'm sure I gave you the right command with that --boot param.   can you pastebin  journalctl --list-boots  ?
[18:47] <database> blackflow: http://termbin.com/7czl
[18:49] <RonaldsMazitis> Sven_vB: I think the command You gave, make my mouse refresh and so the mouse does not turn off
[18:50] <blackflow> database: well according to those logs, theres hours missing
[18:51] <blackflow> database: I'd start assuming hardware issues. lspci shouldn't hog your entire system like that
[18:52] <ioria> database, and what about  sudo lshw  ?
[18:53] <database> blackflow: i think my graphic crad is responisble for that
[18:53] <ioria> database, nvidia ?
[18:54] <database> ioria: not tried yet
[18:54] <database> ioria: yes nvidia
[18:54] <ioria> database, let's try ,then we try to balclist nouveau
[18:54] <ioria> *balcklist
[18:55] <blackflow> database: that --list-boots says you're missing time between 09:37:04 and 12:12:50, on aug 25th, that's when last boot was logged. if you say you didn't wait between poweroff and poweron, you've got logs missing. sounds like serious hw issues.
[18:55] <database> ioria: okay
[18:56] <database> blackflow: yes right let me show you something
[18:56] <database> ioria: let me show you something
[18:57] <ioria> show me
[19:00] <database> blackflow: ioria: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1McdXtpCJAi7TMkR1ftuR1KFjxA9_eZ1e
[19:03] <ioria> database, ok.. and ? the system boots if you can run commands as 'lspci'
[19:03] <database> ioria: i don't understand
[19:04] <ioria> database, from yor video looks like you cannot boot
[19:05] <database> ioria: when i try to boot 18.04 full it doesn't boot system froze for a 5 or more seconds and then halt but in case of 18.04 minimal it boots perfectly but doesn't shutdown
[19:06] <database> i do think that i have hardware problem
[19:07] <database> balckflow: watched above video?
[19:07] <blackflow> database: couldn't get it to load, gave up, sorry.
[19:07] <database> ohh
[19:08] <database> blackflow: this is isnide the video " when i try to boot 18.04 full it doesn't boot system froze for a 5 or more seconds and then halt"
[19:08] <ioria> database, let me understand : you have two 18.04 systems installed ? one desktopand one mnimal ?
[19:09] <database> what i am trying to say that i know that i have hardware issu but i don't know hich hardware is causing this problem
[19:10] <database> ioria: if you wish i can expalin everything you need to give me time then
[19:10] <ioria> database, no worries, just answer
[19:12] <ioria> database, you have two 18.04 systems installed ? one desktop and one only text    ?
[19:12] <database> ioria: when first this problem  occured i thought it was caused by hdd so what i did i made 16.04 bootable cd and boot my system but it froze then i took out my hdd and boot my system with 16.04 live cd then also system forze
[19:13] <ioria> database, again, you have two ubuntu systems installed ? one desktop and one only text    ?
[19:15] <database> ioria: hdd= dual boot windows 10 and ubuntu 18.04 desktop and 18.04 minimal in pendrive
[19:16] <ioria> database, and 18.04 desktop not working ? or what ?
[19:17] <database> ioria: one thing i observed that after fresh installation windows 10 i installed graphic card drive after installing when i tried to boot my system with ubuntu it froze too but without installing grpahic card driver windows work fine
[19:18] <blackflow> database: what froze, windows?
[19:18] <dc-> Is there a best practice for creating a backup of Ubuntu Desktop? Using version 18.04 and have separate partitions for / and /home, looking to back it all up to a USB drive, preferably in a way that I can re-install it using a live usb or something along those lines
[19:18] <database> ioria: 18.04 desktop is not working but 18.04 minimal which is installed in my pendrive is booting
[19:19] <ioria> database, did you install a DE with  the minimal one ?
[19:19] <blackflow> dc-: if I weren't using ZFS and snapshots for backup, I'd use rsync -ax. Mind the -x flag for rsync.
[19:19] <database> blackflow : yes windows froze after installing grpahic card driver
[19:19] <blackflow> well that kinda explains it all, doesn't it :)
[19:20] <ioria> ha, hw issue
[19:20] <database> blackflow: before installing grpahic crad driver in windows it boot perfectly and work too
[19:20] <ioria> database, what card do you have ?
[19:20] <dc-> blackflow: Thanks. So the right way to do it would be to rsync / and /home separately I suppose?
[19:21] <database> yeah i do think  that it is hw issue
[19:21] <dc-> -a is also new for me, what a nice option. Note to self: read the man all the way next time..
[19:21] <database> i have nvidia 410M
[19:22] <blackflow> dc-: -a is what constitues proper backup here. -x is so you don't copy over virtual files from /dev, /sys and /proc.   if you have nything else mounted, like /boot, be sure to rsync that separately
[19:22] <ioria> database, 410m ?
[19:22] <blackflow> dc-: oh, and you can rsync both / and /home to the same dest if you like, doesn't matter.
[19:23] <dc-> blackflow: Hmm, so I suppose I can't just do rsync / and instead have to separately tell it which directories from the root to get?
[19:23] <dc-> Wondering if it goes haywire about the mounted USB drive in /media hehe
[19:23] <blackflow> dc-: sure you can. that's why I mentioned -x
[19:23] <blackflow> dc-: not with -x    (somethng about that manpage and all? :)))   )
[19:24] <dc-> blackflow: You are a clearer version of that man page ;)
[19:24] <database> ioria: you asked me about my graphic card right ?
[19:24] <ioria> database, yes
[19:24] <dc-> Oh, so -x also skips /home because it's located on another partition. Good stuff.
[19:24] <blackflow> dc-: am not. se, I forgot to suggest oyu include -A and -X (upper case X) as well, just in case
[19:24] <blackflow> *See
[19:25] <database> ioria: then nvidia and 410M is notbook version
[19:25] <dc-> I wonder if I need to use -o and -g also to preserve correct rights
[19:25] <blackflow> dc-: implied with -a   (manpage! ;) )
[19:26] <spinningcat> my keyboard is english
[19:26] <database> ioria: https://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-410m/specifications
[19:26] <spinningcat> but wjhen i checked that looked turkish q
[19:26] <dc-> I will read it now. Funny how the mind is, I have a split screen of IRC and "man rsync" open and yet here I am asking
[19:26] <ioria> database, can you boot 18.04 Desktop with the nomodeset parameter ?
[19:27] <ioria> database, and still waiting to know if 'sudo lshw' works ...
[19:27] <blackflow> dc-: happens
[19:27] <database> ioria: i did but same thing happened
[19:28] <spinningcat> fixed
[19:28] <blackflow> dc-: there's a rsync based "rsnapshot" package/tool that also does point-in-time "snapshots" for archive. using hardlinks it saves space
[19:28] <blackflow> dc-: in fact, I used that too before I switched to ZFS fulltime, aside from raw rsync
[19:28] <ioria> database, boot with 'nomodeset'
[19:29] <dc-> Hmm, I don't think space is an issue as of now, but it will be when my /home grows larger
[19:29] <dc-> let me test out rsync
[19:30] <blackflow> dc-: I mean if you make 10 snapshots of a 100GB partition, using hard links it won't amount to 1TB, and hardlinked are only files that didn't change between snaps. also note, it being rsync based, the snapshots are NOT atomic. so if anything changes between start and end of rsync, it might transfer over incomplete file state.
[19:31] <dc-> blackflow: Hmm, so would you recommend firing up a Live USB to do the backup?
[19:31] <blackflow> if you want atomic, then btrfs, zfs and maybe even LVM snapshots, are the only way to go. or reboot to rescue mode or something and do offline backups.
[19:31] <blackflow> dc-: yup.
[19:32] <dc-> I will do that. For now I only want a backup so if something happens I can reinstall, so it's not something that needs to be done too often (yet), but I will check out rsnapshot
[19:32] <dc-> Regular backups do keep depression away though
[19:32] <dc-> Thanks for help blackflow
[19:32] <blackflow> indeed they do :)
[19:33] <blackflow> a backup a day keeps the sysadmin away.
[19:35] <database> ioria: lshw froze my system
[19:36] <ioria> database, i got that... boot with 'nomodeset'
[19:37] <database> ioria: you mean boot ubuntu 18.04 minimal the one which is isntalled in my penrive or the 18.04 desktop the one in my hdd
[19:38] <ioria> database, the desktop one
[19:39] <ioria> database, well, i mean set that parameter in grub  (that is only one, i guess)
[19:39] <database> ioria: i had tried nomodeset 5 or 6 times but same thing happen which you saw in above video
[19:39] <Sven_vB> RonaldsMazitis, nice! then as a work-around, you could setup an autostart job (cron with "@reboot" as time) udevadm monitor >/dev/null
[19:40] <ioria> database, i don't see that in here http://termbin.com/pp65
[19:41] <database> ioria: i know that you want me to set only prameter but i had tried that before and no success
[19:41] <Sven_vB> RonaldsMazitis, did you notice that in line 32+33, some mouse is removed?
[19:41] <database> ioria: because right now i am using minimal one
[19:42] <ioria> database, boot the desktop edition
[19:43] <database> ioria: after booting ?
[19:43] <RonaldsMazitis> Sven_vB: it was removed multiple times
[19:43] <ioria> database, with nomodeset
[19:43] <RonaldsMazitis> ah just mouse
[19:44] <database> ioria: okay what if it froze after setting nomodeset ?
[19:44] <ioria> database, i don't think so
[19:44] <database> okay
[19:44] <database> give me 10 minutes then
[19:45] <ioria> database, and paste inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[19:46] <Sven_vB> RonaldsMazitis, looks like your mouse disconnected and re-connected about 13 times in that log. I'd suspect the cable.
[19:46] <database> ioria: if system doesn't boot then how i can run above command
[19:46] <Sven_vB> RonaldsMazitis, that is, if your syslog still doesn't show better explanations
[19:46] <ioria> database, neither with nomodeset ?
[19:46] <RonaldsMazitis> Sven_vB: yeah, but it somehow still works after time
[19:46] <Sven_vB> RonaldsMazitis, the last part of the filenames, e.g. /input/input43/mouse0, should show up in syslog
[19:47] <database> ioria: yes
[19:47] <ioria> database, a bad install
[19:48] <database> ioria: what
[19:49] <Sven_vB> how can I tell network-manager which of my antennae (e.g. by listing their MACs) are eligible for which of my wifis?
[19:49] <database> ioria: is there any way to off the graphic card like we do with wifi card
[19:51] <Sven_vB> alternatively: how do I restrict my wifi antennae to only connect to SSIDs whitelisted for that antenna?
[19:52] <Sven_vB> or AP MACs if that's easier
[19:54] <hggdh> Sven_vB: I do not think you can do that
[19:54] <hggdh> (if I understood you)
[19:57] <Sven_vB> hggdh, I have several USB wifi antenna in different locations, so I'd like to assign a fixed mapping of which of them is used for which wifi AP.
[19:57] <Sven_vB> "location" as in right or left side of table, up on wall
[20:00] <Sven_vB> nm-applet allows me to change the mapping manually, so there probably should be a way to automate it.
[20:00] <Sven_vB> (without xdotool.)
[20:14] <tomreyn> what's the "gnome..." snap installed on 18.04 by default? i had removed it in an attempt to test removal of snapd, but apparently gnome shell depends on it, and keep mass fsailing since.
[20:14] <tomreyn> * keeps failing since
[20:16] <blackflow> tomreyn: https://dpaste.de/VPxn
[20:16] <tomreyn> thanks blackflow
[20:22] <markpie> Hello All, I want to thank You for the update. It works very well. Except it switched my console's 80x24 to something very small. And really want to thank You for the localization update. Now I can write accented. But there's is a small trouble at first with accented t. Not sure whether that's human or machine error. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks.
[20:31] <markpie> P.S. the new console font is awesome in 16x32 [ FONT-SIZE ] in /etc/default/console-setup. Thanks again.
[21:08] <Sven_vB> the service outage (lots of "postfix/smtpd[21555]: fatal: socket: No buffer space available" and "bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory") on my VPS happened again today, I noticed a few minutes ago. I was able to regain control and review the logs, at least now I know it's not about load averages (peak for the last 10 hours was about 60%). what else should I monitor for better debugging next time it happens? /proc/meminfo probably? which
[21:08] <Sven_vB> of the numbers there are relevant?
[21:12] <Sven_vB> I'll just start with HighFree, LowFree, Cached and Buffers. if you know better please advise.
[21:47] <Sbur3> I have an ID card reader and a Belgian ID card.  I had a program in previous versions of Ubuntu that permitted me to look at the contents of my Belgian ID card.  But I can no longer do so.  I think that there is something I'm not doing right.  Will anyone accept to help me?
[21:48] <leftyfb> Sbur3: what is the program name you are looking for?
[21:49] <Sbur3> leftyfb: Beid
[21:49] <leftyfb> Sbur3: you'll have to contact them for support. We cannot support 3rd party applications here
[21:51] <Sbur3> leftyfb: Ok.  I think that I have installed what I need, but can't get it to work
[21:51] <Sbur3> leftyfb: Thx anyway
[22:02] <PLLunlock> How do I install software on Ubuntu?  I'm familiar with apt-get for packages that are in the repo.  but I'm not sure what I have to do before typing the git commands to use other software.
[22:05] <leftyfb> PLLunlock: which package are you trying to install from git?
[22:10] <PLLunlock> gnu radio out of tree modules.
[22:11] <PLLunlock> like modules from cgran.  http://cgran.org/
[22:12] <hggdh> PLLunlock: so you cloned gnuradio and want to build it?
[22:13] <hggdh> PLLunlock: if so, start with sudo apt build-dep gnuradio
[22:14] <hggdh> PLLunlock: this will bring in all build dependecies for it -- for the *existing* gnuradio in your Ubuntu version
[22:14] <hggdh> PLLunlock: then... read the docs in git to find out if something changed from the Ubuntu version to git head, and adjust as needed
[22:16] <PLLunlock> I'm mostly curious as to where files go when you install them.  there is no "program files".  I'm from winduhs land.
[22:17] <hggdh> PLLunlock: git is a *source* tree (most of the times). This means you have to build the binaries (off the sources), and then install.
[22:17] <PLLunlock> like where do i have to be (directory) before i do the git clone?
[22:18] <hggdh> PLLunlock: have you ever built programs before?
[22:18] <PLLunlock> with specific instructions, yeah.  it's worked sometimes.
[22:19] <hggdh> PLLunlock: heh. OK. The git clone you will get will most certainly have instructions on what to do. Look fir files called *README*, or *INSTALL*
[22:20] <PLLunlock> do i have to make a temp dir to git clone to?
[22:20] <hggdh> PLLunlock: git clone will create a new directory under wherever you are. Just be sure to be somewhere nice.
[22:21] <hggdh> PLLunlock: like home directory, or whatever
[22:23] <hggdh> PLLunlock: then... you are on your own. This is rather off-topic for this channel.
[22:23] <PLLunlock> not usr lcl bin ? just a temp dir?  can I delete is afterwards?
[22:23] <PLLunlock> it
[22:24] <hggdh> PLLunlock: most GNU programs will have a make file to *install* on /usr/local/*. But this is *after* you build the program
[22:24] <hggdh> PLLunlock: just in case: never, ever ever, build as root
[22:25] <hggdh> PLLunlock: *some* programs will have an options to uninstall; others will not.
[22:26] <PLLunlock> I've been "using" ubuntu for a bit.  switched to it for web browsing and libre office stuff.  I'm trying to venture into the less user-friendly areas.
[22:28] <PLLunlock> it's weird.  I installed 16.04 on two machines from the same USB.  both had "editor's picks" under software, but only one had suggestions.
[22:48] <luka_33> Anyone familiar with where the new Steam Play stores save files?
[22:51] <PLLunlock> the cloud?
[23:00] <EternalMana> Hello everyone! I just finished installing ubuntu 18.04 and doing the updates and things and the sounds is super incredibly scratchy, may it be from my video card (Geforce gtx 1070) or from my onboard, or even my usb sounds cards (which I unplugged before restarting my computer in cause they were conflicting with something. Does anyone have an idea why it's all so scratchy... It's making me go crazy
[23:00] <EternalMana> ；；
[23:03] <EternalMana> Oh yeah, people on discord are also complaining about my mic being scratchy too
[23:04] <Nokaji> EternalMana: You could take a look at Sound Settingsand make sure you have the correct Output selected, along with checking over the other settings - may help narow things down
[23:05] <EternalMana> i did but sadly everything seems fine
[23:05] <Bashing-om> !sound | EternalMana
[23:09] <EternalMana> Bashing-om: thanks I'll take a look ^^
[23:10] <Sven_vB> is there a trick to make bash sleep when it has no stdin (or just /dev/null or stdin is already closed) and it has too few memory to fork (thus cannot call /bin/sleep)?
[23:11] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: huh?
[23:12] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, when my server is in that strange overload-like condition (just without load), I'd like my watchdog to keep it low, not run rampant in a busy loop trying to fork /bin/sleep.
[23:13] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: If you're OOM, there's no to get programs to magically conjure up more memory to get around the problem
[23:13] <Sven_vB> so whenever calling sleep fails, I'd like to wait a few seconds some other way
[23:13] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, according to htop, my memory use is below 20%
[23:13] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: fix the running out of memory. Don't fix the symtoms
[23:13] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: then find the actual problem
[23:14] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, I'm trying to. that's why I'm trying to build that watchdog script.
[23:14] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, do you have any advice on how to debug the actual problem?
[23:15] <leftyfb> define "strange overload-like condition"
[23:15] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: also, #ubuntu-server might be best
[23:15] <Sven_vB> thanks, I'll ask there.
[23:15] <EternalMana> Bashing-om: most of it seems to be about "sounds doesn't come out of my speaker/headphones" rather than sound is playing but it's horribly low quality.. I will read more in depth though