[17:20] <eylul> Hey Eickmeyer
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> eylul: Hey!
[17:30] <eylul> working on pdf
[17:30] <eylul> not done.
[17:30] <eylul> :) we need a better system for this next time ;) but that's pretty much my only update
[17:31] <eylul> just wanted to drop it now. I hope all is well?
[17:37]  * OvenWerks has been playing with a huion tablet. It seems the kernel uclogic module is not being kept up...
[17:40] <OvenWerks> The tablet does not work without adding the new uclogic even on 18.04. The module web page says this tablet (610pro) has been in the kernel since 3.17 or so, but obviously not.
[17:42] <OvenWerks> This same driver covers 4 or 5 kinds of tablets, not just huion ... probably all of them that are no wacom, so I think it makes sense to make getting and installing the new module real easy.
[17:44] <eylul> Ovenwerks: do you think you could document this as you go along?
[17:44] <eylul> like step by step as you do them, what you tried
[17:44] <eylul> what worked. what didn't what was the issue
[17:44] <OvenWerks> I would like to do better than that
[17:44] <eylul> so that we have detailed notes. if it won't be too much trouble.
[17:45] <eylul> oh well if you can actually find time to fix it its even better. but we are already piling a lot of work on you :)
[17:45] <OvenWerks> There is a *.deb package available from the github site.
[17:45] <eylul> ah
[17:45] <OvenWerks> It is not in debian though
[17:45] <OvenWerks>  (or ubuntu)
[17:46] <eylul> we can probably make a case for it getting into ubuntu even if we cannot to debian
[17:46] <OvenWerks> They claim to be submitting patches to kernel upstream
[17:46] <eylul> oh
[17:47] <OvenWerks> The current uclogic module was written by the same people, I am just not sure how far along this stuff is.
[17:49] <OvenWerks> I am even wondering if a change to udev rules would help
[18:02] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I really haven't touched anything on my plate in the past two weeks. This is what happens when your only co-worker in your department gets married and goes on his honeymoon.
[18:05] <eylul> o.O
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I think I bit-off more than I could chew with Plasma at the moment. I'm sure you saw the email.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I don't think it was ever the intent to release US-plasma this round... a spun iso would be nice though, even if we don't release it.
[18:13] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Good point.
[18:13] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: so there are no freeze dates this cycle.
[18:14] <OvenWerks> (for the plasma iso) as we are working on it for 1704 already.
[18:14] <OvenWerks> *1904
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> So, does that mean we can get things into the repos up to release date for 18.10?
[18:15] <OvenWerks> nothing that affects any project that will release.
[18:15] <OvenWerks>  But seeds and metas that only affect plasma we should be able to
[18:16] <OvenWerks> Of course we would have to explain this each time we asked for something to be uploaded :)
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> Okay, that clears things up.
[18:25] <Eickmeyer> So, since you're both here, do we want to start our meeting in 35 minutes?
[18:26] <OvenWerks> maybe even four of us
[18:26] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, perhaps.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> re mypaint and picopixel: there is not "permanent" :) but whatever is there at release is there for this cycle.
[18:30] <OvenWerks> So whatever is working at time of freeze should be what we run with this cycle.
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> Okay, that's good to know. I highly doubt MyPaint will be releasing anything based on their github development. It's glacially slow.
[18:34] <OvenWerks> kind of like lmms...
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but lmms isn't conflicting with anything. My problem with lmms is the lack of lv2 support.
[18:35] <OvenWerks> I am told that git is a ways beyond release.
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> re: mypaint or lmms?
[18:37] <OvenWerks> I don't find lmms useful at all, but there are a lot of people who like to workthat way
[18:37] <OvenWerks> lmms, there have been a lot of "internal releases"
[18:37] <OvenWerks> not fit for public?
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> Must be.
[18:38] <OvenWerks> There are a lot of people who have submitted patches/fixes who are frustrated because they have been added but there is no release they can use.
[18:40] <OvenWerks> I guess I could say the same about Ardour at this point :)
[18:42] <Eickmeyer> Well, that's the problem I've been running into with Calf. There are releases, but getting them upstream to Debian and then synced to Ubuntu is a pain in the neck.
[18:43]  * OvenWerks wonders which Calf plugin can't be replaced :)
[18:45] <Eickmeyer> Well, here's the thing: the only reason Ardour has problems with Calf is because the calf-ladspa plugins are depricated and Debian has been refusing to remove it from their repos because of the lmms people. So, to work around that, Calf have decided to make them non-coinstallable since coinstalling the LV2 and Ladspa versions creates the conflict that causes Ardour to crash.
[18:46] <Eickmeyer> Many of those bugs are fixed in 0.90.1 which is what I've been trying to push upstream.
[18:46] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: How is it a pain in the neck? :)
[18:47] <OvenWerks> there are other issues. Like the odd time the reverb puts out +1000 db peaks. None of the fixes deal with this.
[18:47] <Eickmeyer> Where's the bug report on that? I haven't ever experienced it myself.
[18:48] <Eickmeyer> Also, the release in November was a major release, so it may have been corrected with that. The one we have in our repos is over 3 years old and is very buggy.
[18:48] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: when calf moved from sourceforge to where they are now, they did not import the old issues.
[18:48] <Eickmeyer> Have you tried 0.90.x?
[18:50] <OvenWerks> I personally have not, I do know some people who do though. but never mind, lots of people like the GUIs and when they work they are ok. animating levels is another problem area.
[18:50] <OvenWerks> Most people don't do that though.
[18:50] <OvenWerks> s/animating/automating/
[18:51] <Eickmeyer> Well, a lot changed between 0.60.x and 0.90.1, and the fact that it isn't getting pushed upstream is infuriating and causing these opinions and lack of bug reports against them. Can't get eyes on stuff they don't know even exists.
[18:52] <OvenWerks> getting the latest out would be good yes.
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> I guess I'm frusterated because it wasn't this way with Fedora, but that's probably because they /are/ the upstream.
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> Also, having to write MPs when I don't even know how or where.
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> #startmeeting
[19:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Aug 25 19:00:07 2018 UTC.  The chair is Eickmeyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:00] <Eickmeyer> #chair eylul OvenWerks captain-tux
[19:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: Eickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux eylul
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> Well, let's get started with documenting this.
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> eylul: You said PDF is nowhere?
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> #topic Audio Handbook
[19:02] <OvenWerks> maybe paste from the back scroll...
 working on pdf
 not done.
 :) we need a better system for this next time ;) but that's pretty much my only update
[19:03] <Eickmeyer> If there was only a way to change the page source of the markdown directly to HTML for printing or something.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, that wiki engine's markdown isn't exactly standard.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Anything to add? Anybody?
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Okay, moving on...
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> #topic ubuntustudio-plasma
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> Pretty sure this is on hold until we've got an iso spun.
[19:06] <OvenWerks> yes
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> Okay.
[19:06] <OvenWerks>  While it would be possible to add more there is no way of testing it.
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> #info On hold until iso can be spun from a seed
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Moving on...
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> #topic website
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> I've got nothing to report on this. Life has been getting in the way, and since we have a working website now, it's not a huge priority. I'd rather spend energy on other things like packaging.
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> #topic Packaging
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> I really want to get Cadence done in time for 18.10 for Catia alone. I fear I might not get -welcome or -boutique done.
[19:10] <OvenWerks> that sounds reasonable
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Patchage needs to be dropped, but we can't do that without a suitable replacement like Catia.
[19:11] <OvenWerks> welcome/boutique are longterm objuctives I think
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> Agreed.
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> #agreed Welcome and Boutique are long term objectives
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> Definitely something for 20.04 at the latest.
[19:12] <OvenWerks> right
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> Anyhow...
[19:12] <OvenWerks> hopefully testing before then.
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> #topic PikoPixel
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> We should hold a vote on this.
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> #vote include PikoPixel in Ubuntu Studio seed
[19:13] <meetingology> Please vote on: include PikoPixel in Ubuntu Studio seed
[19:13] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> +1
[19:13] <meetingology> +1 received from Eickmeyer
[19:13] <OvenWerks> +1
[19:13] <meetingology> +1 received from OvenWerks
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> eylul? captain-tux?
[19:13] <captain-tux> +1
[19:13] <meetingology> +1 received from captain-tux
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> I'm pretty sure eylul is for this too.
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> Based on a previous email.
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> #endvote
[19:14] <meetingology> Voting ended on: include PikoPixel in Ubuntu Studio seed
[19:14] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:14] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: If you wouldn't mind adding that to the seed?
[19:15] <OvenWerks> ok
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> #action OvenWerks to add PikoPixel to the Ubuntu Studio seed starting with 18.10
[19:15] <meetingology> ACTION: OvenWerks to add PikoPixel to the Ubuntu Studio seed starting with 18.10
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> I'll go ahead and send an email to the upstream developer to congratulate them.
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> #action Eickmeyer to notify upstream
[19:16] <meetingology> ACTION: Eickmeyer to notify upstream
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> #topic Additional Items
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> Okay, this one wasn't on the email, but I need to figure out what everyone is working on.
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I'm guessing you're whittling away at Plasma?
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic Current Assignments
[19:18] <OvenWerks> no waiting for an iso on that. Looking at adding tablets setup to controls.
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> Okay.
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> #action OvenWerks is adding tablets setup to -controls
[19:18] <meetingology> ACTION: OvenWerks is adding tablets setup to -controls
[19:18] <OvenWerks> (mostly summer hollidays this past while :)
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> captain-tux: Do you have anything you're working on?
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> eylul: Same
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> Rather, same question. I know you're working on the PDF. I have an idea that might help, but we'll see.
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> #action Eickmeyer still working on Cadence, -welcome, -boutique.
[19:20] <meetingology> ACTION: Eickmeyer still working on Cadence, -welcome, -boutique.
[19:21] <captain-tux> Not specifically, I've had a look at Mastodon, but have been a little stressed out the last weeks, so I haven't had time for anything else..
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> captain-tux: Understood.
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> At least you're participating. :)
[19:21] <captain-tux> That was nice. :D
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> Which brings us to our most difficult topic, one that I've been avoiding, but it needs to come up.
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: What does your current contribution to Ubuntu Studio look like these days?
[19:22] <krytarik> Nil.
[19:23] <krytarik> Well, except from handling the mailing lists, of course.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> Well, that's something. However, I'm kindof noticing a pattern here, and other than that, I'm not any contribution, and this is the most I've seen you participate in these meetings.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> *I'm not seeing any contribution
[19:24] <krytarik> So what?
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> The difficult question: Are you interested in being on this team still? I'm honestly just concerned.
[19:25] <krytarik> I'm still willing to fill the posts I've got, yes.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> By that you mean managing the mailing list and this IRC channel?
[19:26] <krytarik> Pretty much, yes.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> I see no problem with that. :)
[19:27] <Eickmeyer> #action krytarik to reamain IRC channel admin and Mailing List admin.
[19:27] <meetingology> ACTION: krytarik to reamain IRC channel admin and Mailing List admin.
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> I just want to make sure we're moving forward and nothing is holding us back. I realize we've had a lot of burnout over the years, and if that means taking a break from stuff, then so be it.
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, I'm getting burnt--out on a lot of the buraucracy I'm seeing since I'm having to learn how to do stuff by doing it wrong, being corrected, then doing it right.
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> But, that's just how I feel.
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> Still plowing forward.
[19:30] <OvenWerks> you are doing well... I normally do things wrong several times first
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> I guess the issue is the bottleneck at the MOTU and Debian levels. I need to apply for membership and MOTU in order to get this ship out of drydock and sailing.
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> Anyhow, that's all I've got.
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> Anybody have anything else for the meeting?
[19:32] <OvenWerks> I have nothing more.
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> Motion to end meeting?
[19:33] <OvenWerks> so moved
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> #endmeeting
[19:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Aug 25 19:33:23 2018 UTC.  
[19:33] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-08-25-19.00.moin.txt
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> I'll get the minutes out sometime in the next couple days. Like I said, things are busy.
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> I think 33 minutes is a new record for us.
[19:33] <captain-tux> No. Just thanks for managing everything around here! 
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> Thanks, captain-tux! I'm doing my best. We have a great team, and my vision is to make sure we're moving forward and nothing and nobody is holding us back.