[00:01] <tomreyn> EL3CTR0N: you'd need to repartition sda
[00:10] <tomreyn> EL3CTR0N:  DISK=/dev/sda; echo 'Checking partition alignment on disk '"$DISK"'...'; for PARTITION in $(sudo parted $DISK print --machine | tail -n3 | cut -d ':' -f1); do echo -n $DISK; sudo parted $DISK align-check opt $PARTITION; done
[00:25] <quarters> hello. I'm having the same weird sound issues as described here and was wondering if there's a common solution for it: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2383747
[00:27] <piesquared> How do I find a file with the name of <x> searching through all file, including system?
[00:29] <tomreyn> quarters: which ubuntu version?
[00:29] <piesquared> ...
[00:29] <tomreyn> piesquared: find / -name '<x>'
[00:30] <tomreyn> add sudo
[00:30] <piesquared> Thanks,
[00:30] <quarters> tomreyn: 18.04
[00:30] <tomreyn> quarters: "lsb_release -ds" reports?
[00:31] <tomreyn> !sound | quarters
[00:34] <tomreyn> quarters: be sure to run alsa-info.sh, too
[00:36] <dlam> is there a way to syntax test a crontab schedule entry?
[00:36] <dlam> (err bash way)
[00:38] <tomreyn> dlam: the crontab command is a wrapper which includes a syntax check which runs before the crontab is installed.
[00:41] <dlam> oh oh ok, i can do  'echo "0 12 * * 8" | crontab' then
[00:45] <tomreyn> that'll replace existing crontabs for this user in case it succeeds
[00:47] <tomreyn> dlam: i assume you want to add to existing crontabs. if so, you'll better get the current crontabs using crontab -l, add yours in front, and pipe this into 'crontab'
[00:53] <hdon> hi all :) what's the new gksu?
[00:53] <leftyfb> hdon: https://itsfoss.com/gksu-replacement-ubuntu/ first result on google
[00:54] <dlam> oh oops, i dont want to replace my crontab i guess:  i just want a clever way to do a syntax check, any ideas?
[00:55] <hdon> leftyfb: i found that article already. it only says how to gain access to a file this way. this won't work to, for example, run wireshark (although i know it's bad to run wireshark as root)
[00:55] <leftyfb> hdon: use sudo
[00:55] <hdon> :C
[01:10] <leonardus> is there some sort of garage band equivalent
[01:12] <tomreyn> dlam: the crontab command is open source, written in C, if you can read it. also there is https://github.com/lyda/chkcrontab
[01:12] <jeffguorg> leonardus, does Sonic-pi count?
[01:12] <leonardus> no, I want something with a gui
[01:13] <tomreyn> https://alternativeto.net/software/garageband/?platform=linux
[01:17] <ses1984> i just upgraded to 18.04 and it freezes at the greeter right about a second after i click my username
[01:17] <ses1984> i tried upgrading to latest nvidia drivers by going to a text tty before clicking, and upgrading to nvidia-396, that did not seem to fix it
[01:17] <CarlFK> how do I turn off the bar across the top on a 2nd monitor?
[01:24] <ses1984> most sources online say this is a graphics driver problem, but i have nvidia-396 now and it's still not working
[01:24] <ses1984> i think a clue could be when i click my username it says "authentication error" and then freezes
[01:24] <ses1984> if i click on "not listed" and type in my username, it says, "authentication error" before i can enter my password, and again freezes
[02:51] <lazarom> hi all, hope you are doing well.
[02:51] <lazarom> i am struggling with autofs in ubuntu
[02:54] <k_sze[work]> I just upgraded from Xenial to Bionic, why does it still say I'm using the Hardware Enablement Stack (HWE) and that it's supported until April 2019?
[02:54] <k_sze[work]> Shouldn't I be on the newer kernel from Bionic already/
[02:58] <swift110> sup
[03:14] <ses1984> i upgraded to 18.04 and i can't really get past the greeter -- i click on my name, it says "authentication error" then it freezes
[03:14] <ses1984> at this point i can't get a basic text tty -- i have to do a hard reboot
[03:15] <ses1984> i tried installing the latest nvidia drivers (i have a 1070) it did not seem to help
[03:37] <Styil> stupid question, how do I update the kernel
[03:37] <Styil> does apt upgrade take care of it?
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> Styil: yes
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> Styil: to keep your system up to date: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[03:39] <Styil> whats the difference between upgrade and full-upgrade
[03:39] <ryuo> Styil: some packages are not included in upgrade.
[03:39] <ryuo> Not sure how it decides.
[05:12] <dlam> why is this the first google result for "cron format", i dont think it's the same spec as 'man 5 crontab'    http://www.nncron.ru/help/EN/working/cron-format.htm
[05:16] <xuzh> n
[05:18] <root____1> s
[05:19] <xuzh> hello world
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> !cron | dlam
[05:29] <dlam> i know, but the syntax of the first google result is not exactly the same as Ubuntu's, maybe its a linux thing?
[05:32] <dlam> for example, the 1st google result lists a 6th "year" argument, and allows ranges!  so veird
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> dlam: we try to avoid google hits here, use official ubuntu wiki's or sources to help
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> dlam: ask your specific cron question to the channel and see if volunteers can help you
[05:37] <cluelessperson> sometimes when I'm in a window that forces itself on top of others
[05:37] <cluelessperson> a dialog box pops up in the background, forcing input
[05:37] <cluelessperson> and I cannot switch between windows, basically trapping me
[05:37] <cluelessperson> how do I stop this?
[05:38] <cluelessperson> specifically happens when GPG or password entry modals open
[05:45] <dlam> lotuspsychje:  oops sorry!  it seems that 'man 5 crontab' does not support what's known as "crontab expressions"
[05:45] <dlam> (sorry not a pro here :D)
[05:58] <cfhowlett> !ping
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[06:01] <cfhowlett> yowza ^3 lotuspsychje
[06:08] <freechoice> hey, folks
[06:08] <freechoice> my ubuntu always shows me writting more data than expected?
[06:08] <freechoice> how can i fix this?
[06:08] <sa_> Hi All, I've upgraded my PC from Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS to 16.04.5 LTS by running sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade. But in this case kernel version is not changed, is there any command to upgrade the kernel version?
[06:09] <guiverc_w> dlam, i tried a google search using 'cron format' & it wasn't first, nor top 5 but was on first page for me.  crontab format can have slight variations between versions of unix; eg. the man page of freebsd differs to ubuntu.  As we use Ubuntu here - we recommend using Ubuntu documentation so it matches your system  (there is no reference in ubuntu doco for @reboot, @yearly etc as per freebsd (v7 11.2) doco -
[06:09] <guiverc_w> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man1/crontab.1posix.html -- BSD doco acknowledges their system disagrees with ATT it notes..; the page you mentioned doesn't mention compliance with anything (bsd, posix, etc. so could differ)
[06:09] <freechoice> i hae already apt-clean && sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> sa_: wich kernel are you currently on please?
[06:10] <freechoice>  Linux 4.4.0-57-generic
[06:11] <sa_> lotuspsychje: I'm currently having 4.4.0-66-generic, but i need to swtich to v4.15
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> !hwe | sa_ howto
[06:12] <geirha> dlam: what do you mean by "crontab expresssions"?
[06:12] <dlam> guiverc_w: ooo ok, it must be that i've been going to that page alot or something
[06:13] <dlam> @geirha:  i mean this  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron#CRON_expression   (sorry its "cron expression")
[06:13] <freechoice> anybody who can help me with "writting more data then expected " when i use do-release-upgrade
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> freechoice: can you explain that a bit more..?what happens exactly to your system?
[06:13] <geirha> dlam: ok, crontab(5) does cover that
[06:14] <freechoice> I think is a apt error
[06:15] <freechoice> when i upgrade from 16.04 lts to 18.04 lts
[06:15] <freechoice> it shows me http://cn.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxslt/libxslt1.1_1.1.29-5_amd64.deb Writing more data than expected (150153 > 149904)
[06:15] <freechoice>  all packs shows this
[06:16] <freechoice> can anybody help me?
[06:17] <freechoice> I tried apt clean && start over again, but it doesn't work
[06:17] <cfhowlett> if it's on that .deb only, I'd say you've got a maintainer error.  report it as a bug. if it's on all packages, you have something different happening
[06:17] <cfhowlett> freechoice, ^^^
[06:17] <dlam> geirha:  ooo think you're right, thanks for noticing that
[06:43] <instantp10neer> I am setting up a VM'd OS for cryptocurrency storage.  Can anyone tell me their opinion on the best Ubuntu flavor?
[06:51] <freechoice> I have done do-release-upgrade half-away, can't continue to just backward
[06:52] <freechoice> just because of writting more data than expected
[06:52] <freechoice> anybody who can help me?
[06:53] <cfhowlett> if it's on that .deb only, I'd say you've got a maintainer error.  report it as a bug. if it's on all packages, you have something different happening freechoice
[06:53] <instantp10neer> I see Lubuntu and Xubuntu are lightweight.  Can the same general capabilities be expected of these and Ubuntu?  I am looking for something that has the same level of development and security as the main project.
[06:53] <freechoice> Error Hash mismatch  http://36.248.244.147/files/8164000000C1A803/mirrors.neusoft.edu.cn/kali bionic/main amd64 openssh-server amd64 1:7.6p1-4
[06:53] <freechoice> how's that?
[06:54] <cfhowlett> instantp10neer, main ubuntu is canonical supported.  the other flavors are not.
[06:55] <geirha> freechoice: is that a local mirror? perhaps try switching to the main archive so you're there's no out-of-sync mirror messing things up
[06:55] <geirha> *you're sure
[06:55] <instantp10neer> cfhowlett I see.  Are the different types of Ubuntu greatly varied?  I was looking at Ubuntu Server as an alternative that is less resource-intensive.
[06:55] <freechoice> Let me try
[06:55] <cfhowlett> different look and feel, same same under the hood.  if you don
[06:56] <cfhowlett> don't need a pretty gui, server is definitely worth considering
[06:56] <instantp10neer> My next question is the GUI.  Does server include one by default, which should be selected?
[06:57] <cfhowlett> servers do not has gui's as a rule.
[06:57] <cfhowlett> choose the one you prefer
[06:57] <cfhowlett> or learn to do without
[06:57] <instantp10neer> My goal is low resource use.
[06:57] <cfhowlett> !mini | instantp10neer
[06:58] <instantp10neer> I am concerned I would have difficulty selecting.  I will try it.
[07:00] <instantp10neer> Where is the download page for Mini?
[07:00] <cfhowlett> instantp10n see the page I linked
[07:01] <instantp10neer> Yes sorry.
[07:06] <sazawal> I have created some image files on Ubuntu and named them with ">" character in the filename. Now I cannot access or rename them on Windows. Please help!
[07:08] <geirha> boot back into ubuntu and rename them..?
[07:10] <sazawal> geirha: I came to work and don't have access to linux. It was stupid of me to name them with a special character.
[07:11] <geirha> well, I don't know how to circumvent windows' filesystem restrictions. Maybe try #windows
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> instantp10neer: the 18.04 flavors all have now a minimal option in the setup too
[07:12] <geirha> if you have a usb drive handy, you could put an ubuntu iso on it, and fix it from there
[07:12] <instantp10neer> sazawal use a renaming utility such as "Unlocker"
[07:13] <instantp10neer> beware the author's site, it downloads with malware
[07:13] <sazawal> geirha: Thanks I will try on #windows. Live USB wont work here, I don't have admin rights of the computer.
[07:14] <sazawal> instantp10neer: Let me check. I tried LongPathTool but it didn't work. I think LongPathTool is for a different purpose.
[07:14] <instantp10neer> Judging by the name, yes.  Unlocker generally does the job.  If not, I have two others that have never failed.
[07:16] <freechoice> it shows me :authenticate 'bionic.tar.gz' against 'bionic.tar.gz.gpg'
[07:16] <freechoice> MD5Sum:d4650d223975a310e0f79b272dd96ccf [weak]
[07:17] <freechoice> and then: http://mirrors.aliyun.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/fonts-dejavu/fonts-dejavu-extra_2.37-1_all.deb  size mismatch
[07:18] <freechoice> this really make me cry..
[07:19] <Lontinue> comfort
[07:19] <sazawal> instantp10neer: Sorry I cannot use it without admin privileges. What are the other options?
[07:20] <instantp10neer> can you open a command prompt?
[07:20] <instantp10neer> and ren the 8-bit name?
[07:20] <Doow> Hi, I upgraded ubuntu wsl from 16.04 to 18.04 and it seems to have been successfull in that it thinks that it's 18.04 (as per lsb_release -a) but all the sources in /etc/apt/ still point to xenial. Most things seems to be working ok apart from that. Any advice?
[07:21] <sazawal> instantp10neer: I downloaded the portable app of Unlocker. Yes I can use command prompt. I tried renaming with rename command. What is ren command for?
[07:21] <instantp10neer> ren(ame)
[07:21] <instantp10neer> Try explorer++
[07:22] <instantp10neer> You shouldn't need admin.
[07:22] <Lontinue> I try this , can't rename on windows
[07:22] <Doow> I mean, I could do a search replace from xenial to bionic, but that seems a tad scary...
[07:23] <sazawal> instantp10neer: Is explorer++ another software?
[07:23] <instantp10neer> sazawal google.
[07:23] <sazawal> I just tried ren, it says filename syntax is incorrect
[07:24] <instantp10neer> sazawal use dir /x
[07:24] <instantp10neer> then ren (8-bit-name-of-file) new-name
[07:25] <sazawal> instantp10neer: explorer++ didn't work. Sorry but what is "8-bit name of the file"?
[07:26] <instantp10neer> go to the command prompt.  type dir /x  you will see the non-8dot3 file names (8-bit was a mistake)
[07:27] <sazawal> instantp10neer: I tried dir \x. It shows the contents of the directory, but the filename is the same as I can see in the windows explorer.
[07:28] <m4th> nickname jerome
[07:28] <instantp10neer> wrong slash.  did it display two columns of file names?
[07:28] <m4th> teset
[07:28] <sazawal> instantp10neer: Sorry I used the right slash. I typed here wrong.
[07:29] <m4th> whta is my nick i can see
[07:29] <sazawal> instantp10neer: Yes there is Date/Time, Size and Filename
[07:29] <m4th> what my name i can see
[07:29] <freechoice> can anybody help me?
[07:30] <Aaron> !ask
[07:30] <instantp10neer> sazawal why is it you don't have admin rights?
[07:31] <sazawal> instantp10neer: It is the company desktop and I am a student. They don't give admin rights to students because of security.
[07:32] <instantp10neer> You have no laptop?  Nobody with one?  Nobody with admin rights?  try DIR /? then find the entry for non-8dot3
[07:33] <sazawal> instantp10neer: Not at the moment but I can find someone with a laptop. I also have a problem sharing the files (can't even compress and share it), so I have to take my hard disk with me.
[07:36] <instantp10neer> You could go ask in ##windows.  GL with that, they just banned me for asking to have a discussion "they already had several days ago!" about vmware and virtualbox pros/cons
[07:37] <sazawal> instantp10neer: Yea, thanks anyway. Banned you? Discussion is the whole point of IRC rooms.
[07:37] <instantp10neer> The other tools I use are likely to require admin rights.
[07:38] <instantp10neer> sazawal that was my impression.  I did call the guy a hermit and tell someone else no shit when he came to my defense.  I am a radical.
[07:39] <sazawal> instantp10neer: Haha.
[07:40] <instantp10neer> Have you tried disk check?
[07:41] <instantp10neer> CHKDSK /F
[07:43] <sazawal> instantp10neer: No, but this is to check for errors in the filesystem.
[07:44] <instantp10neer> It can fix problems with file names.
[07:45] <instantp10neer> FilExile is another I have success with.  Same problem with the download, it has malware.
[08:10] <migs_> hello
[08:10] <pheni> hi
[08:10] <migs_> could you tell me how to just uninstall all unity sessoins and so I can just run a xubuntu gnome environment?
[08:10] <migs_> I installed ubuntu with unity
[08:11] <migs_> but recently installed gnome and want to purge unity desktop
[08:12] <migs_> I am just worried about how the two desktops might cause problems due to differnt dependencies
[08:13] <guiverc_w> migs_, what version of Ubuntu?  Most of GNOME (gtk+3) underneath is the same as Unity (gtk+3)
[09:00] <one808> 有人吗
[09:00] <one808> hallo
[09:00] <one808> hallo
[09:01] <one808> (⊙﹏⊙)
[09:01] <one808> 这
[09:01] <one808> renma
[09:02] <tomreyn> one808: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[09:02] <blackroot> probably just here to be a dick
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> blackroot: please familly friendly language here
[09:10] <Lavinho> good morning
[09:11] <Lavinho> the lenovo laptop ideapad 100s-14lbr works perfectly on Ubuntu 18.04?
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> Lavinho: for testing your hardware, we reccomend trying a liveusb first
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> Lavinho: you happy with the result==> physical install
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> Lavinho: lets say ubuntu works on very much brands/computers but there are so many differences in hardware, you cannot generalize things
[09:15] <Lavinho> ok thank's
[09:16] <rtp2342> careful with lenovo ideapads though... the change hardware components without notice. one IdeaPad 320-15IKB had Intel WLAN (8086:3166), while another IdeaPad 320-15IKB had RealTek WLAN (10ec:c821). the latter causes all kinds of (wireless) problems.
[09:17] <tomreyn> also Celeron N3050 cpu + 2 GB RAM could cause issues. but they're gone.
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> rtp2342: realtek issues are now taken care of on kernel 4.15
[09:18] <rtp2342> lotuspsychje: problem is, once they are fixed, realtek floods the market with at least three new (unsupported) wireless chips.
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> rtp2342: yeah i know, its not easy to maintain them, the next ubuntu version it can break again etc, your right
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> rtp2342: would be nice to have a perm solution for that..
[09:20] <rtp2342> lotuspsychje: and other than intel, the vendor-provided driver of realtek have horrible code quality, which prevents them from becoming upstream (in-tree) drivers.
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> rtp2342: im having realtek on my i5 right now, so i will surely follow up future bugs on that
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | umair
[09:23] <umair> why?
[09:23] <umair> i see
[09:23] <umair> thx
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> umair: or did you name your ident root1?
[09:24] <umair> lol...yes
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> nvm then
[09:24] <umair> pardon me
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> umair: never mind the trigger
[09:25] <umair> @ubottu teel more
[09:25] <umair> pls
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> umair: this trigger is meant for users joining irc as root, and not as regular user
[09:26] <Lontinue> 这里能输入中文吗
[09:29] <umair> oh okay
[09:29] <umair> pardon me
[09:29] <umair> im just a kid
[09:35] <vanek> hello
[09:36] <vanek> i've got a dns query problem on ubuntu, it only resolves names stored on 192.168.1.1's /etc/hosts when i specify directly, why can this be? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dY2VVxm5yv/
[09:40] <tomreyn> vanek: do you run a nameserver which listens on 192.168.1.1:53 ?
[09:41] <vanek> tomreyn: yes I do, it runs dnsmasq
[09:42] <vanek> from localhost i can resolve global names,so it works generally, i only cant resolve hosts i specified in .1's /etc/hosts which is wierd
[09:42] <tomreyn> can you run the same queries using dig, also systed-resolve, this might provide a better idea of what's happening
[09:42] <vanek> yeah let me check, moment
[09:45] <tomreyn> also use ping -c1 to take NSS into account, nslookup doesn't
[09:45] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/627906/why-is-my-etc-hosts-file-not-queried-when-nslookup-tries-to-resolve-an-address
[09:45] <vanek> tomreyn: here you go https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2Yn8Y6Py6D/
[09:48] <vanek> it may be confusing that 'unknown' is the actual hostname of 192.168.1.1 :)
[09:48] <blackflow> vanek: none of those commands would consult /etc/hosts tho'.   can you ping unknown?
[09:49] <vanek> blackflow: the /etc/hosts file im trying to query is on the box that runs dnsmasq (192.168.1.1)
[09:49] <blackflow> vanek: and oh vait.... that /etc/hosts has #on router  comment, what does that mean? where is that /etc/hosts defined? surely on the machine you want that to resolve FROM, right?
[09:49] <blackflow> *wait
[09:50] <vanek> blackflow: two hosts, client & router. client has router configured as dns server, router runs dnsmasq and has info in /etc/hosts
[09:50] <vanek> i really should draw this up :)
[09:50] <blackflow> vanek: that's not what /etc/hosts is for. /etc/hosts should be on CLIENT. on router you need authoritative DNS resolution
[09:51] <vanek> hmm, thats wierd, in that case when i query directly the router why does it resolve?
[09:51] <vanek> or what would be the way to make it work?
[09:52] <blackflow> vanek: dnsmasq has to be configured to serve the "unknown" zone.
[09:52] <tomreyn> you should run an actual dns server on the router, not just dnsmasq
[09:52] <vanek> tomreyn: can you recommend one?
[09:53] <blackflow> vanek: Bind
[09:53] <blackflow> but dnsmasq should be able to do that too
[09:53] <blackflow> (I'd still use bind though)
[09:54] <blackroot> Isn't bind deprecated?
[09:54] <blackflow> nope. it's powering the majority of internet's DNS tho'
[09:54] <Rojola> Hello
[09:54] <vanek> not sure, first time im trying to set up a dns box
[09:54] <Rojola> May I please ask for a little help?
[09:55] <blackflow> !ask | Rojola
[09:55] <Rojola> I managed to auto-mount my external harddrive which was easy using /etc/fstab  -  however, I am stuck with my DVD-Drive
[09:55] <blackflow> vanek: if you already have dnsmasq set up, look into its "synth-domain" config option, to server as "authoritative" for that domain
[09:55] <Rojola> the command "sudo blkid" told me the UUID of my external HD
[09:56] <Rojola> however, the UUID of the DVD is the date is was burned
[09:56] <Rojola> so, the moment I inserted an other DVD, the UUID would be different
[09:56] <blackflow> Rojola: do you need to mount the dvd by UUID?   why not /dev/dvd or what's the device, it's been a while I used optical media :)
[09:56] <Rojola> blackflow, it's /dev/sr0
[09:57] <vanek> blackflow: thanks, let me check that
[09:57] <blackflow> Rojola: yeah, that
[09:57] <Rojola> blackflow, of course I could go with mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom
[09:57] <Rojola> but how to do it automatically?
[09:57] <Rojola> with an if-condition....   if(cdrom) { mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom } else { }
[09:58] <blackflow> Rojola: not sure what you're asking now. what if condition, where?
[09:59] <jink> 这里能输入中文吗
[10:00] <Rojola> blackflow, well, I would like to tell my Ubuntu system:  "If there is a CD / DVD inserted in the DVD-drive on boot, auto-mount it to /dev/cdrom  otherwise do NOT cause an error if there is no CD / DVD inserted.   IF there is no DVD / CD inserted, just wait.  Maybe a CD / DVD gets inserted later.  Then: auto-mount it.  Maybe the CD / DVD gets ejected later on.  Maybe a new CD / DVD gets inserted.  Also auto-mount this one then."
[10:00] <freechoice> anybody who knows install ubuntu with raid?
[10:02] <elichai2> Hey, is there a simple way to see max ram usage of a single process?
[10:02] <elichai2> (I can't use top/proc because the process dies quickly)
[10:04] <blackflow> Rojola: for the first part of your question, you only need a fstab entry, but add "nofail" to options, in order to prevent it from failing the boot, if there's no dvd. as for the second part, automount later, I'm not really sure which mechanism does it. With a DE, it will be dbus based and stuff is mounted to /media. I'd have to look up where to change this path to have it mounted as fstab says. also
[10:04] <blackflow> look at "autofs"
[10:04] <Rojola> thank you blackflow for this answer!!!
[10:04] <blackflow> Rojola: also not sure how to make the system hold on boot until DVD is inserted. maybe with a custom systemd .service/.mount  combination
[10:05] <Rojola> nah, the system should _not_ hold on boot!
[10:05] <Rojola> if there is no CD,  just proceed
[10:05] <blackflow> Rojola: ah. you said "IF there is no DVD / CD inserted, just wait"  -- so I thought you meant the boot should wait for the disk...
[10:05] <blackflow> then nofail is all you need
[10:06] <Rojola> my bad... I meant, "if there's no CD at the moment, just proceed - maybe one will be inserted later"
[10:06] <Rojola> blackflow, I am trying to figure it out and will report back to you in a moment
[10:09] <Rojola> blackflow, /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 defaults,nofail 0 0
[10:09] <Rojola> is this the right way?
[10:10] <blackflow> freechoice: it's been a while since I used mdadm, but basically I think all you need is to set up the mdX devices from the live env manually, then the installer will pick them up for you to define where root is etc. for RAID1 you don't need any additional setup, but other levels might require /boot being separate, or specific modules added to grub, not sure if that's automatically done by the installer.
[10:10] <blackflow> Rojola: should be, yes
[10:10] <Rojola> blackflow, I need to reboot in order to try it out.
[10:11] <Rojola> blackflow, Thank you very, very much for taking the time to talk to me and help me on my way!
[10:11] <Rojola> blackflow, I appreciate it a lot!
[10:11] <Rojola> I am rebooting now!
[10:11] <Cadmus> Hello, I've got a desktop I've AD integrated with SSSD, I can ssh in from localhost, but not from another machine, where should I be looking to configure that?
[10:11] <blackflow> Rojola: btw, not sure iso9660 is correct FS for dvds. maybe put "auto" there for autodetect
[10:11] <tomreyn> freechoice: i think you just missed a response to your raid question
[10:11] <freechoice> yep
[10:12] <tomreyn> freechoice: try to remain connected after asking a question
 freechoice: it's been a while since I used mdadm, but basically I think all you need is to set up the mdX devices from the live env manually, then the installer will pick them up for you to define where root is etc. for RAID1 you don't need any additional setup, but other levels might require /boot being separate, or specific modules added to grub, not sure if that's automatically done by the installer.
[10:12] <freechoice> I did on ubuntu 16.04
[10:13] <freechoice> but when i use 18.04 the system can't recognize the md devices
[10:13] <tomreyn> freechoice: which kind of raid is this?
[10:13] <blackflow> freechoice: and which system, livecd?
[10:14] <freechoice> raid1, the installcation USB disk
[10:14] <tomreyn> freechoice: also desktop / server installer ('live' variant?), architecture?
[10:14] <freechoice> server, sorry,man
[10:15] <blackflow> doesn't subiquity support raid with the installer now? or did I remember something wrong about what's new in 18.04.1?
[10:15] <tomreyn> freechoice: i think the default 18.04 server installer doesn't support raid configurations. use the alternate server installer for this purpose.
[10:15] <tomreyn> freechoice: is this 18.04 or 18.04.1 ?
[10:16] <tomreyn> ...
[10:16] <ducasse> blackflow: fyi - dvds are often udf
[10:16] <blackflow> I'm not really the best person to help with installers. I do debootstrap installations mostly. :)
[10:16] <blackflow> ducasse: probably, wasn't sure, it's been a while.
[10:16] <tomreyn> blackflow: said user has disconnected for the third time now.
[10:16] <freechoice> Welcome to Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (GNU/Linux 4.15.0-33-generic x86_64)
[10:16] <vanek> hey
[10:16] <blackflow> "auto" should work, in case a CD is inserted sometime
[10:16] <freechoice> 18.04 LTS
[10:16] <vanek> i took the tshoot for dns further
[10:17] <vanek> for some reason 8.8.8.8 is still there in global, even though i can find it nowhere in configs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8fbVkbK72j/
[10:17] <blackflow> vanek: look into /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[10:17] <vanek> oooh grr
[10:18] <tomreyn> freechoice: use the 18.04.1 live installer (*may* work), or the alternat(iv)e server installer (*will* work).
[10:18] <blackflow> if no DNS is set, I think the hard hard default for systemd-resolved (the one encoded during compilation time) is googles' 8.8.8.8, if NO servers are specified anywhere -- config or received by dhcp.
[10:18] <vanek> thanks blackflow i think this will be it..
[10:18] <freechoice> that's really a problem
[10:18] <freechoice> that's really a problem
[10:18] <vanek> but blackflow , I do receive a specific dns via dhcp, shouldnt it be preferred?
[10:18] <tomreyn> freechoice: what you keep disconnecting? yes.
[10:19] <freechoice> i don't know
 freechoice: use the 18.04.1 live installer (*may* work), or the alternat(iv)e server installer (*will* work).
[10:19] <freechoice> I just use linknus\
[10:19] <blackflow> vanek: it should, but things could go wrong still. I was just saying that in case the system is unable to define DNS server, a hard coded default will be used, which is google.
[10:19] <freechoice> don't know what reason keeps reconnect again and again
[10:19] <vanek> blackflow: so if I specify 8.8.8.8 as FallbackDNS instead of DNS, it should act as such, right?
[10:19] <freechoice> really werid
[10:20] <blackflow> (at least it was, not sure if Ubuntu is compiling it with a different hard default -- I tend to disable systemd-resolved on all Ubuntu installations, so I'm not the best person to help with that)
[10:20] <freechoice> upgrade from 16.04 hurts me almost half a day
[10:20] <freechoice> it really hurts..
[10:20] <tomreyn> freechoice: oh you're from chine, this will be the big f1rewall.
[10:21] <blackflow> vanek: yes, but I think 8.8.8.8 is already the hard default.
[10:21] <vanek> blackflow: I agree, it makes sense to hard code things. sadly this is a laptop and i am not always connected to the same network
[10:21] <freechoice> I think that's the client software linkinus's problem
[10:22] <vanek> blackflow: yeah i figured, after removing it rom the conf it is still there
[10:22] <tomreyn> freechoice: your countries' ISPs inject TCP RST packets into your connection when you access services which they are not supposed to let you visit.
 freechoice: your countries' ISPs inject TCP RST packets into your connection when you access services which they are not supposed to let you visit.
[10:23] <tomreyn> freechoice: you can install 'hexchat' if you'd like to try a different irc client.
[10:23] <vanek> why not use udp based vpn?
[10:23] <freechoice> what i can say is : Ihave no idea
[10:24] <freechoice> hey, guys
[10:25] <tomreyn> freechoice: please try to stabilize your irc connection, we can then help you more.
[10:25] <blackflow> freechoice: please fix your connection, use VPN, a ssh gateway, anything, as this is becoming annoying :)
[10:25] <freechoice> well, i've already changed my client software
[10:25] <freechoice> weirdo
[10:26] <freechoice> when i do-release-upgrade, it shows me hash sum check error or writting data is more than expected
[10:27] <freechoice> after tried N times, i've tried to reinstall that
[10:27] <freechoice> but can't recognize my raid devices
[10:27] <blackflow> freechoice: are they listed under /dev ?  or with blkid, are they visible?
[10:27] <freechoice> it shows the original 2 hdd to me without show me a md device
[10:27] <tomreyn> freechoice: so it seems like it was indeed your irc clicnet that was the problem.
[10:28] <freechoice> for sure
[10:28] <freechoice> i use linkinus for years, but it stop update for years
[10:28] <tomreyn> yes, 7 years ago, dont use it anymore
[10:29] <freechoice> now ,i am gonna copy those files from 1 of the raid disk to current disk and rebuild the md device
[10:30] <tomreyn> freechoice: initially you were discussing a fresh installation using an ubuntu 18.04.0 (?) installer, now you're discussing a release upgrade from 16.04 LTS to 18.04.1 LTS. which one do you want to do?
[10:31] <freechoice> yes, fresh install, but it can't recognize my mdadm device
[10:31] <freechoice> and i can't wait
[10:31] <freechoice> and can't go back
[10:31] <tomreyn> freechoice: you can't wait for what? and can't go back to what?
[10:32] <freechoice> can't wait the 18.04 system not shown the md devices for installation
[10:33] <freechoice> and now i've install 18.04 on 1 of the disk, can't go back to the md sync status
[10:33] <tomreyn> freechoice: did you try installing 18.04.1 using the alternate installer, as was suggested previously?
[10:33] <freechoice> not yet
[10:33] <freechoice> and even though
[10:33] <freechoice> it still need md sync from disk2 to disk1
[10:34] <tomreyn> if you just overwrote one of the two members of your raid-1 array, sure you'll have to resync, if you can.
[10:35] <the-noob> smee again
[10:35] <freechoice> yep, that's the problem
[10:35] <freechoice> i need to backup all the data first when i lost 1 of them
[10:35] <blackflow> freechoice: step by step please, I've totally lost track of what you're doing tehre. now you installed ubuntu to one disk? to a md device or raw partition?
[10:35] <the-noob> you know how one bad think never happens alone ?
[10:35] <freechoice> raw partition
[10:36] <blackflow> because installing to "one disk" in this case would mean a degraded raid with 1 member.  if raw partition, there's no raid to resync any more.
[10:36] <the-noob> for some reason, while doing a fresh install , the live cd picked another hdd to create a new partition table
[10:36] <the-noob> thus whiping my "Data" drive
[10:36] <freechoice> i've already mdadm -Cv -l1 -n2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb
[10:37] <tomreyn> the-noob: it wouldnt do so without asking you to confirm it.
[10:37] <blackflow> freechoice: okay, and that should've created a /dev/mdX device
[10:38] <blackflow> freechoice: btw, was there a mdadm array on those disks before?
[10:38] <freechoice> sure
[10:38] <the-noob> indeed, problem is I have 3 500GB drives and, although I did make sure I've selected the SSD, somehow it jumped to my WD drive
[10:38] <blackflow> freechoice: sure to which part?
[10:39] <the-noob> any suggestions for recovering that disk ? nothing was written on it (except for the new partition table)
[10:39] <freechoice> for sure it will create a md0 device, but it won't shown to the installation disk list
[10:39] <the-noob> tried TestDisk, no luck
[10:39] <tomreyn> the-noob: maybe you missed the drop down box where you can choose where the installer will install grub to.
[10:39] <blackflow> freechoice: okay. but meanwhile, was there a mdadm array on those disks before you ran your -C command now?
[10:39] <freechoice> well, reboot and create a new md device with disk2, and add disk1 back
[10:39] <blackflow> freechoice: no, wait. what...
[10:40] <tomreyn> the-noob: though just installing grub would not overwrite the partition table.
[10:40] <freechoice> i havnen't install grub yet
[10:40] <freechoice> everything's there
[10:40] <blackflow> freechoice: let's take this back to square one, and solve one thing at a time. 1)   was there a mdadm array on those devices before? if YES, did you zero their superblocks?
[10:41] <freechoice> yes, i haven't zero their superblocks
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> the-noob: sudo photorec on whole partition, if photorec cant get it back, data is lost
[10:41] <tomreyn> the-noob: testdisk is the right tool if you need to restore a partition table
[10:41] <EriC^^> the-noob: what's the problem?
[10:41] <blackflow> freechoice: see that's a problem then. you should zero superblocks before creating a new array on devices that already were part of a mdadm array.
[10:42] <blackflow> freechoice: meanwhile, I'm assuming you don't need the data on those drives any more? you're basically nuking the existing array info with what you're doing
[10:42] <the-noob> I'm pretty certain it just re-selected a drive when I've changed the options on how to handle partitions
[10:42] <freechoice> it seems the old mdadm use 0.9, and now it's 1.2 after i create the new raid1
[10:42] <the-noob> obviously.. I ended up reinstalling at like 1:30 am, after doing some data recovery with a live cd
[10:43] <blackflow> freechoice: if you _create_ a new array, the old one doesn't matter. unless you wanted to _assemble_ and not _create_ ?
[10:43] <the-noob> EriC^^: I ended up overwritting the partition table on a 'Data backup' disk
[10:43] <freechoice> no, i haven't done that
[10:43] <the-noob> lotuspsychje: will try photorec now
[10:43] <EriC^^> the-noob: just the partition table?
[10:44] <blackflow> freechoice: so you're creating and essentially clearing out the previous array
[10:44] <blackflow> you have to zero superblocks first.
[10:44] <EriC^^> the-noob: did the backup disk have only 1 partition to start with?
[10:44] <EriC^^> the-noob: not yet on the photorec, it's a last-resort
[10:44] <freechoice> i've already enter the new system with disk1
[10:44] <the-noob> yes, 1 partition afaik (was ntfs)
[10:44] <freechoice> the disk2 only shown /dev/sdb in the device list
[10:45] <freechoice> without partition
[10:45] <EriC^^> the-noob: try mounting it, sudo mount -o offset=2048 /dev/sdX /mnt
[10:45] <EriC^^> the-noob: change sdX to sdb sdc etc
[10:45] <freechoice> mount: /mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
[10:46] <freechoice> mount: /mnt: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'.
[10:46] <the-noob> EriC^^: mount: /mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
[10:47] <the-noob> BUT
[10:47] <the-noob> after the first run of testdisk I was presented with a 'deeper search' option
[10:47] <the-noob> that just finished 1 sec ago
[10:48] <the-noob> and I can see  D HPFS - NTFS              0  32 33 60801  15 14  976766976
[10:48] <the-noob> whaaat do I do?? I'm lost
[10:48] <the-noob> that's mah partition for sure
[10:48] <blackflow> freechoice: I'm sorry we're talking past each other, you're doing something tehre by yourself, and I can't help you like that.
[10:49] <freechoice> yes, thanks
[10:50] <freechoice> how can i mount a raid member disk ?
[10:51] <blackflow> freechoice: in short you need 1) clean disks (or zeroed superblocks from previous array).  2) mdadm create with 2 devices.   3) use /dev/mdX for the installer as THE disk to install on. mdX is just like a single hard disk. on which the installer will partition and continue.
[10:51] <blackflow> freechoice: you can't mount a raid member. you can mount a filesystem atop of a mdX device.
[10:52] <freechoice> but i have already installed a brand new system on disk1, so i need to create a mdX with disk2 and then add disk1 back?
[10:52] <freechoice> or there's another solution?
[10:52] <blackflow> freechoice: you can't do tht
[10:53] <EriC^^> the-noob: type sudo mount /dev/sdX /mnt
[10:53] <EriC^^> the-noob: actually, in testdisk press "p" to view the files
[10:53] <EriC^^> nevermind the mount command
[10:53] <blackflow> freechoice: if you created an mdX with disk2 (which is degraded mirror), and then you add disk1, then disk1 will be cleared and synced FROM disk2, not the other way around.
[10:54] <freechoice> ok,i'll try use 18.04.1 first
[10:54] <blackflow> freechoice: that doesn't solve the problem
[10:54] <the-noob> EriC^^: I can see the files, is there a way to just restore the partition ?
[10:55] <blackflow> freechoice: your problem seems to be that you have existing data you want thrown into an array. you can't do that the way you think.
[10:55] <EriC^^> the-noob: yes in testdisk use the arrow keys while the partition is highlighted so it shows a "P" instead of "D"
[10:55] <EriC^^> then write the new partition
[10:55] <freechoice> ok,i'll try first
[10:56] <blackflow> freechoice: try what?
[10:56] <the-noob> I did make it primary but was looking at differnces between P, logical and extended
[10:56] <the-noob> I do need to learn that ...
[10:56] <EriC^^> the-noob: actually stuff doesnt add up i think
[10:57] <EriC^^> the-noob: if it's at sector 0, then you never actually had a partition table on that disk
[10:57] <EriC^^> the-noob: dont write anything yet
[10:57] <qwebirc21316> hi I need some help
[10:58] <qwebirc21316> regarding wine on ubuntu 16.04
[10:58] <qwebirc21316> is there anybody here who can help?
[10:58] <blackflow> !ask | qwebirc21316
[10:58] <EriC^^> the-noob: are you sure you overwrite something, i think you didnt
[10:59] <the-noob> EriC^^: myeah, just got a 'boot sector not present' or something error
[10:59] <EriC^^> did you write the table?
[10:59] <the-noob> well thing is I can't see the disk as normal, now it shows as 700mb
[10:59] <qwebirc21316> Understood. So i downloaded two torrents. CNC 3 nStellaris but when I try to run both games through .exe it says .exe is closing due to a serious error. how do I fix this?
[11:00] <the-noob> also booting in windows ('dual' boot with different 3 drives (win, lin, data))
[11:00] <the-noob> doesn't show the Data drive
[11:00] <EriC^^> the-noob: try "sudo mount /dev/sdX /mnt"
[11:00] <the-noob> I didn't write
[11:00] <EriC^^> if you do write, you could overwrite the actual filesystem files at the start and it'll be toast
[11:01] <EriC^^> after the mount command try "ls /mnt" and see if the files are there
[11:01] <blackflow> qwebirc21316: torrents? are those legal downloads?
[11:01] <the-noob> mount: /mnt: /dev/sda already mounted or mount point busy.
[11:02] <EriC^^> the-noob: try closing testdisk and try again
[11:02] <EriC^^> wait /dev/sda ? is that the backup disk's name?
[11:02] <qwebirc21316> the torrents are illegal -_-
[11:02] <blackflow> sorry, I refuse to help you with that then.
[11:02] <EriC^^> qwebirc21316: illegal as is so much fun this should be legal you mean? ;)
[11:03] <qwebirc21316> ok thanks guys
[11:03] <the-noob> yes, /dev/sda
[11:03] <EriC^^> the-noob: ok, close testdisk and try again
[11:04] <freechoice> i cna't access /dev/sdb
[11:04] <the-noob> wait, it seems I did a write
[11:07] <the-noob> any 'pastebin' for images?
[11:08] <Cheez> imgur?
[11:08] <blackflow> freechoice: access how? is it listed under /dev ?
[11:08] <EriC^> the-noob: i got d/c
[11:09] <freechoice> now i trying dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda
[11:09] <freechoice> override all data on disk1 from disk2
[11:09] <EriC^> freechoice: it's a good idea to use bs=4M with dd copying
[11:09] <freechoice> yep , 1T disk
[11:09] <EriC^> and status=progress if your dd supports it
[11:10] <the-noob> https://ibb.co/dgoXf9
[11:11] <the-noob> after setting P to that partition I did a write and ended up with this screen
[11:11] <the-noob> that was before you said 'no no no, mount'
[11:11] <EriC^^> the-noob: aha, try "rebuild BS" at the bottom
[11:12] <EriC^^> the-noob: actually, try to just quit testdisk, make sure it's not mounted, and manually try mounting it
[11:12] <EriC^^> if that fails try using the backup BS since it says it's in good condition
[11:15] <the-noob> ok, says I have to reboot for the changes to take effect?
[11:15] <the-noob> after doing 'quit' again
[11:15] <EriC^^> the-noob: ok, reboot and come back
[11:21] <blackflow> freechoice: don't forget to change any partition UUIDS
[11:21] <freechoice> change the uuid?
[11:21] <freechoice> i don't know how to do that
[11:22] <freechoice> use tunefs?
[11:24] <blackflow> yeah
[11:26] <blackflow> freechoice: partuuid too for the partitions themselves
[11:27] <freechoice> got that
[11:27] <freechoice> i'll try later when the data sync finished
[11:29] <EriC^^> freechoice: remember to run "sync" after dd is done
[11:30] <freechoice> you mean mdadm --sync?
[11:30] <blackflow> freechoice: btw what exactly are you doing there with that dd? you were trying to assemble an array... what's with the dd?   (and no, EriC^^ meant the sync(1) command)
[11:31] <blackflow> see you're now doing dd on raw disks, and there's mdadm involved, this smells of you're doing something completely wrong. what is it?  :)
[11:31] <blackflow> freechoice: in other words, if sdb was part of a mdX  and you're now doing dd over it, you've broken the array.
[11:32] <freechoice> i wanna recreate the array, but i've lost the data of 1 disk of that array, i use mdadm -Cv -l1 -n2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb but it failed
[11:32] <blackflow> freechoice: and I told you why, but you're not listening to me
[11:32] <Helenah> Ohai
[11:32] <blackflow> you're doing your own thing there and completely ignoring the help and advice you're receiving.
[11:32] <freechoice> so i think use dd sync the data manually from disk2 to disk1
[11:32] <Helenah> Hows it goin' meh hommies?
[11:32] <blackflow> freechoice: not with md devices you CAN'T do that
[11:33] <freechoice> i really have no idea now
[11:33] <blackflow> freechoice: if you need help, you need to stop and listen and answer questions.
[11:33] <freechoice> ok, i will
[11:34] <freechoice> really appreciate for your help,man
[11:34] <blackflow> freechoice: ok, first thing, there is data you want kept, right? those disks are not empty?
[11:34] <freechoice> yes
[11:34] <blackflow> freechoice: can you back that data somehwere else first?
[11:34] <blackflow> *back up, copy
[11:35] <freechoice> i can't access the disk2, so i can't backup them before i mount the disk
[11:35] <blackflow> freechoice: disk2 is what? /dev/sdb ?
[11:35] <freechoice> yes
[11:35] <blackflow> freechoice: is that device listed under /dev  ?
[11:35] <freechoice> yes
[11:35] <blackflow> freechoice: partitions too?  like /dev/sdb1   sdb2 ....   ?
[11:35] <freechoice> nope
[11:36] <freechoice> now partitions listed
[11:36] <freechoice> no partitions listed
[11:36] <blackflow> make up your midn.
[11:36] <blackflow> *mind
[11:36] <freechoice> don't know what could do with such condition
[11:36] <the-noob> EriC^^: no luck, the partion is mounted but shows 'lost&found' folder and it's ext4
[11:36] <blackflow> so, there are NO partitions? no numbers with X in /dev/sdbX  ?
[11:37] <EriC^^> the-noob: can you pastebin "sudo parted -ls" ?
[11:37] <freechoice> only /dev/sdb, without /dev/sdb1,/dev/sdb2
[11:37] <blackflow> freechoice: you previously created an array atop of sdb and nuked whatever was underlying in metadata. you possibly destroyed the data
[11:38] <freechoice> when i trying to create md0 again, it show it will destroy all data on disk1, but disk2 is busy
[11:38] <the-noob> starting testdisk again, shows https://ibb.co/g95y3U
[11:38] <freechoice> don't why shows this message
[11:38] <blackflow> freechoice: just a second...
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:40] <EriC^^> the-noob: what about "sudo parted -ls" ?
[11:40] <blackflow> freechoice: what's the output of `parted -l /dev/sdb`?    pastebin that please.
[11:40] <the-noob> https://pastebin.com/C4sTgGq1
[11:40] <the-noob> the first entry is the drive
[11:41] <freechoice> wait a sec, i'll go there to find out and retype here
[11:41] <blackflow> freechoice: don't retype please. you can't pastebin?
[11:41] <EriC^^> the-noob: ok, can you try "sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt & ls /mnt" ?
[11:41] <jink> What's a good tool to recover lost partitions and/or data?
[11:42] <EriC^^> jink: testdisk/photorec (both of testdisk package)
[11:42] <jink> EriC^^: Thanks.
[11:42] <EriC^^> np
[11:42] <jink> Cleaning out old computers. xD
[11:42] <the-noob> jink: now now, wait in line, I was here first :))
[11:43] <the-noob> mount: /mnt: /dev/sda already mounted or mount point busy.
[11:43] <EriC^^> the-noob: type "mount | grep sda"
[11:44] <the-noob> /dev/sda1 on /media/the-noob/f0683119-0097-458a-a1e2-c580da0e4427 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,data=ordered,uhelper=udisks2)
[11:44] <the-noob> ls on that gives me a single folder 'lost+found'
[11:44] <EriC^^> the-noob: type "sudo umount /dev/sda1" then try the command from earlier
[11:45] <the-noob> mount: /mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
[11:45] <freechoice> it shows all the partitions it has
[11:46] <EriC^^> the-noob: if you try a quick search in testdisk and press "p" over it, does it list the files?
[11:46] <freechoice> everything looks good
[11:46] <the-noob> that 'quick' search took like 30 mins last time
[11:46] <blackflow> freechoice: then running `partprobe` should result with them available under /dev/  like /dev/sdb1  etc....
[11:46] <the-noob> but yes, it showed all files that I remember having
[11:46] <the-noob> in fact, I have the log
[11:47] <freechoice> weird, i could see the partions after i use parted -l /dev/sdb
[11:47] <freechoice> now i could back the data now
[11:48] <EriC^^> the-noob: try quick search, leave it for 30secs, as soon as the partition appears press enter to quit it again
[11:48] <freechoice> wait for a moment, i'll back the data first
[11:48] <blackflow> freechoice: yes, make a backup copy first.
[11:48] <the-noob> honestly it didn't appear at quick search
[11:48] <the-noob> only after deep search finished
[11:49] <blackflow> freechoice: the bottom line is this. after you make a copy, you will create a DEGARDED md device from sda and "missing2. then you will copy data from sdb to mdX (whichever X is). then you will clear out superblocks on sdb and add it to the mdX array, it will resilver the data back from sda, and that's it.
[11:49] <blackflow> *"missing"
[11:49] <EriC^^> the-noob: try quick search, 30secs, press enter, then deep search, 30secs and press enter again once it appears
[11:50] <the-noob> ok, scanning
[11:50] <blackflow> freechoice: when you copy the data, don't use dd. create filesystems on mdX, and copy from mounted filesystem on sdbX. use rsync with -a -x   flags
[11:53] <user__> hola
[11:53] <user__> alguna putilla de silicio por aqui cerca_
[11:53] <Cheez> On 16.04 I'm trying to build something that depends upon libssl1.0 (ruby's openssl addon for ruby 2.3.4), and i have libssl1.0.0 installed (libssl1.0.0 is already the newest version (1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.13).) but it can't find the openssl 1.0 headers, only the 1.1 headers which are not compatible. Has anyone done anything like that and worked out how to make it use the libssl1.0 headers? In deb I'd install the
[11:54] <Cheez> libssl1.0-dev package but there's no similar -dev package for ubuntu that i can see.
[11:58] <pheni> if you need tjust the package its here Cheez https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/bionic/main/updates/libssl1.0-dev
[11:59] <Cheez> pheni: only for artful and bionic, not xenial
[12:00] <blackflow> pheni: 'libssl-dev'   ?
[12:00] <blackflow> !info libssl-dev xenial
[12:01] <blackflow> Cheez: ah sorry, that was for you, not pheni
[12:01] <Cheez> # dpkg -l | grep libssl-dev
[12:01] <dosa12> Is it good or bad that I've got stratum 16 on my ntp serwer?
[12:01] <Cheez> ii  libssl-dev:amd64                                            1.1.0h-2.0+ubuntu16.04.1+deb.sury.org+1                     amd64        Secure Socke
[12:01] <blackflow> Cheez: well you're using a PPA, that changes everything
[12:02] <Cheez> am i? I don't recall doing so
[12:02] <freechoice> i just move that machine to my desk, after reboot, i can't find the parts again
[12:02] <Cheez> oh damn, my company forces it for 'compliance'
[12:03] <blackflow> Cheez: well that package is from a PPA, it's not regular ubuntu
[12:03] <blackflow> Cheez: you'll have to containerize
[12:03] <freechoice> pared and partprobe both don't work
[12:03] <Cheez> i was hoping to avoid having to screw around with docker
[12:04] <blackflow> Cheez: thankfully there's plenty of SANE containerization tech. (docker ain't it).  try LXD for example.  or you can even debootstrap a chroot just to build that ruby thing, no need for a full blown container either
[12:04] <blackflow> freechoice: did you do anything else after that parted -l command? did you try to go ahead and mess with the array again?
[12:05] <freechoice> nope
[12:05] <freechoice> except abort dd
[12:05] <blackflow> freechoice: please pastebin the output of   parted -l /dev/sdb
[12:05] <blackflow> freechoice: also, did you back up the data?
[12:05] <freechoice> not yet
[12:05] <blackflow> why did you reboot then?
[12:05] <freechoice> just move the machine to my desk
[12:05] <blackflow> ah
[12:06] <blackflow> freechoice: ok, so please pastebin the output of   parted -l /dev/sdb      you can    parted -l /dev/sdb | nc termbin.com 9999   and post here the URL you get
[12:06] <EriC^^> the-noob: any luck?
[12:07] <freechoice> ok
[12:08] <freechoice> i forget -l option, now the partion shows
[12:09] <freechoice> but it's busy when i trying to mount
[12:10] <blackflow> freechoice: zero the superblock on sdb .  you've previously added it to an array, with underlying data and are probably messing up the mdadm autodetect now. check the journal for hints if mdadm is erroring out
[12:10] <blackflow> freechoice: wehre is the first partition on sdb starting at?  1MB?
[12:11] <blackflow> freechoice: if yes, then you're lucky you haven't ovewritten anything with teh mdadm metadata, so just zero the superblock so mdadm stops being confused about it.
[12:11] <freechoice> start at 1049kb
[12:11] <blackflow> that's good
[12:11] <freechoice> how to zero superblock?
[12:12] <blackflow> freechoice: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb
[12:12] <blackflow> freechoice: do it for sda as well, as you'll be creating a new array later.
[12:13] <freechoice> it shows could not open /dev/sdb for writting
[12:13] <blackflow> freechoice: are you doing this as root?
[12:13] <freechoice> nope, just use USB disk boot a install system
[12:14] <blackflow> freechoice: well you'll have to use sudo then, or sudo -i to become root, so you don't have to type it over and over again
[12:15] <freechoice> it shows the same message mdadm: Couldn't open /dev/sdb for write - not zeroing
[12:15] <blackflow> freechoice: and you ran that with sudo,   or became root with    sudo -i    first?
[12:16] <freechoice> yes
[12:16] <blackflow> freechoice: please pastebin     cat /proc/mdstat
[12:18] <tomreyn> jay-m: jay-m_ jay-m__ jay-m___ : do you really need / want to connect here 4 times?
[12:18] <freechoice> done
[12:18] <freechoice> http://termbin.com/nahj
[12:18] <blackflow> freechoice: done what?
[12:18] <blackflow> ah... :)
[12:19] <tomreyn> jay-m____: 5 times
[12:20] <erwin> test
[12:20] <freechoice> now what could i do?
[12:20] <blackflow> freechoice: then I don't understand why you couldn't open sdb for write..... assuming you DID that as root or with sudo
[12:20] <freechoice> sure
[12:20] <tomreyn> erwin: you and terje made it here fine.
[12:20] <blackflow> freechoice: anything in logs?   run the mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb    command again, and if it fails, please pastebin     journalctl -n 50
[12:21] <freechoice> ok
[12:21] <terje> we sure did :-)
[12:21] <blackflow> freechoice: and      dmesg | tail -n 50
[12:21] <r3v01t> has anyone figured out the error message "The cache has no package named 'ubuntu-desktop'" when upgrading to bionic?
[12:22] <tomreyn> r3v01t: what are you trying to upgrade to ubuntu 18.04(.1?), how?
[12:23] <r3v01t> 18.04 and do-release-upgrade
[12:24] <r3v01t> its on a powerpc so that may be the problem
[12:24] <r3v01t> i saw a bug report on launchpad so i wasnt su4re
[12:24] <tomreyn> r3v01t: so you're trying to use do-release-upgrade to upgrade ubuntu 18.04 amd64 to ubuntu 18.04?
[12:25] <r3v01t> no, sorry. 16. 04.1
[12:25] <freechoice> http://termbin.com/23c8
[12:25] <tomreyn> r3v01t: so you're trying to use do-release-upgrade to upgrade ubuntu 16.04.1 amd64 to ubuntu 18.04.1?
[12:25] <r3v01t> yes
[12:25] <blackflow> ogawd that ureadahead bug.....
[12:26] <freechoice> Warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but linux says it is 512 bytes
[12:26] <tomreyn> r3v01t: i recommend you fully upgrade 16.04.1 to 16.04.5 beforehand.
[12:26] <r3v01t> ok thanks
[12:26] <freechoice> http://termbin.com/u7d8
[12:26] <blackflow> freechoice: and dmesg?
[12:27] <blackflow> freechoice: okay. so the kernel sees sdb1, 2, 5 and 6.   can you mount them now?
[12:27] <tomreyn> r3v01t: i'm currently reviewing some possibly related bug reports, such as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1787668
[12:28] <tomreyn> r3v01t: can you confirm your architecture is amd64?
[12:28] <r3v01t> yea thats what im looking at
[12:28] <r3v01t> its actually a powerpc
[12:28] <r3v01t> amc
[12:28] <r3v01t> mac
[12:29] <tomreyn> r3v01t: i mean the OS architecture. dpkg --print-architecture
[12:29] <freechoice> can't mount
[12:29] <msi> hi, I don't seem to have ftdi-sio kernel module in my ubuntu, linux-image-extra-virtual is installed, any ideas?
[12:29] <blackflow> freechoice: what's the _exact_ error message you get?
[12:29] <tomreyn> r3v01t: also show the output of: cat /proc/version
[12:29] <freechoice> mount: /mnt: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or mount point busy
[12:30] <freechoice> even i create a blank folder to mount
[12:30] <blackflow> freechoice: are they already mounted?  run  `mount`   with no params,  are they listed?
[12:31] <r3v01t> it comes up powerpccc
[12:31] <r3v01t> powerpc
[12:31] <freechoice> nope, i can't find that node
[12:32] <freechoice> http://termbin.com/w53n
[12:32] <r3v01t> Linux Version 4.4.0-i34-powerpc-smp
[12:33] <blackflow> freechoice: can you pastebin    parted -l /dev/sdb   please?
[12:33] <r3v01t> btw i dont have X installed. just doing text becuase i couldnt get the drivgers to work
[12:33] <freechoice> it can't
[12:34] <freechoice> show unrecognised disk label
[12:34] <msi> there is an ftdi_sio module in /lib/modules/4.15.0-24-generic, but at the moment I'm using 4.15.0-32-generic, and it seems like it's missing from that kernel or some other package must be installed
[12:35] <blackflow> freechoice: well then... let's try one more thing. ASSUMING what you wrote before is correct, and I wanted to verify now with parted -l, but it didn't work.... ASSUMING that sdb1 starts at 1049kb as you said, run this:   dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1k count=512
[12:35] <msi> nvm, linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-32-generic does the job
[12:36] <blackflow> freechoice: that should overwrite the 1.2v superblock that is supposed to be there.   you need to run this as root, or sudo.    THEN, reboot into the livecd again, and you should be able to mount partitions normally.
[12:36] <freechoice> ok,let me try
[12:37] <r3v01t> im kinda thinking i should just stick with with what ive got
[12:37] <blackflow> freechoice: if after reboot you still can't see partitions, we'll try recover the backup GPT partition with gdisk. if that fails, then I have no more ideas and I think your data is lost with that mdadm -C you ran before, overwrote all the relevant metadata and more.
[12:38] <tomreyn> r3v01t: after installing all pending updates, please post the url returned by: nc termbin.com 9999 <( sudo apt update 2>&1; sudo apt full-upgrade 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; )
[12:38] <ioria> r3v01t, if you don't use X why don't you remove that package ?
[12:38] <freechoice> let's see
[12:39] <r3v01t> the ubuntu-desktop package?
[12:39] <sylario> I have a strange server problem, every timle the server reboot, I need to do sudo systemctl restart networking to  have network working
[12:39] <ioria> r3v01t, yes (btw, if you run 'rmadison ubuntu-dekstop' you'll see that it does not list powerpc anymore)
[12:39] <freechoice> after i dd and reboot, it can't shows the partition now
[12:40] <blackflow> freechoice: you rebooted so fast?
[12:40] <freechoice> yes
[12:40] <sylario> It's configured as DHCP, and the correct addresses are set, but still I need to reboot network
[12:40] <blackflow> freechoice: okay, please pastebin  /proc/mdstat   again
[12:40] <freechoice> it shows warning: hte driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but linux says it is 512 bytes
[12:41] <freechoice> http://termbin.com/ynxt
[12:41] <blackflow> freechoice: okay, the array is gone.   now look at this:    http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/repairing.html
[12:41] <blackflow> freechoice: section "Semi-Automated Recovery"
[12:42] <blackflow> freechoice: run gdisk like that for /dev/sdb
[12:42] <tomreyn> r3v01t: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2016-December/001199.html
[12:43] <r3v01t> tomreyn: gotcha. thanks. i kinda figured that
[12:44] <freechoice> it shows Found invalid GPT and valid MBR; converting MBR TO GPT format in memory. THIS OPERATION IS POTENTIALLY DESTRUCTIVE! Exit by typeing 'q' if you don't want to convert
[12:44] <freechoice> your MBR partitions to GPT format
[12:45] <freechoice> just use w to write table to disk and exit?
[12:48] <freechoice> it can't shows any partitions
[12:49] <tomreyn> sylario: there is #ubuntu-server for server support. also check syslog to understand why the network is failing to come up properly during boot.
[12:49] <freechoice> i forget use dd to backup that data before i use zero
[12:49] <freechoice> ;'(
[12:50] <gloomy> Hi there
[12:50] <zer0x> my VPS has OpenVPN, how can I route all SSH traffic to eth0 instead of tun0 after connecting to the VPN?
[12:50] <liquid-silence> hi all
[12:50] <liquid-silence> just installed ubuntu
[12:51] <liquid-silence> but cannot login, it accepts the password then shows some error with aquiring GR
[12:51] <gloomy> I'm attempting to install ubuntu (budgie) on a macbook pro (mid 2012). I need to install wireless drivers and don't have access to an ethernet adapter so I need to download all the necessary packages from another computer.
[12:52] <compdoc> liquid-silence, what sort of computer you installing on?
[12:52] <gloomy> This is the base pakage I need: https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/bcmwl-kernel-source
[12:52] <liquid-silence> UEFI asus z370
[12:53] <liquid-silence> I think it has something to do with the graphics driver
[12:53] <liquid-silence> https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/922695-fecs-falcon-already-acquired-by-gr-error-keeps-showing-up-and-system-crashes-as-well-ubuntu-latest-lts/
[12:53] <tomreyn> gloomyartful is 17.10, which is end of life.
[12:53] <tomreyn> gloomy: ^
[12:54] <blackflow> freechoice: that dd did not overwrite your data, it simply nuked the mdadm superblock which was _before_ your first partition
[12:55] <blackflow> freechoice: so gdisk automated recovery did not work?
[12:55] <liquid-silence> can I install the nvidia driver from the commandline?
[12:55] <freechoice> yes, it didn't work
[12:55] <gloomy> I willfully started downloading all dependencies manually about an hour ago and  am now realizing what a stupid aproach that was :D
[12:56] <Gilbert> hey, i'm having an issue regarding Intel GMA and driconf on Ubuntu 18.04 (And Any Variants). can i get help to fix it? the issue is that i get "Screen "0" is not direct rendering capable."
[12:56] <blackflow> freechoice: try the "Manual Recovery Procedures" from that page.   btw, did gdisk throw any error?
[12:56] <freechoice> nope
[12:56] <gloomy> Oh damn. Let me try with the correct repo.
[12:56] <blackflow> freechoice: ok try Manual recovery, use 'b' use backup GPT header (rebuilding main)
[12:57] <freechoice> it show nothing
[12:58] <blackflow> freechoice: run partprobe
[12:59] <blackflow> if /dev/sdbX  partitions are still not available, then I am sorry, I have no more ideas. you ran that mdadm -C and apparently destroyed all the underlying metadata.
[12:59] <freechoice> shows nothing
[12:59] <freechoice> but really thanks, pal
[13:00] <freechoice> can you guide me to create a brand new raid1 from current status?
[13:02] <blackflow> freechoice: you already have the command,  mdadm -C ....     but the problem was you ran that atop of existing data.
[13:02] <blackflow> freechoice: btw, you can still dd /dev/sdb   somewhere else and _later_ perhaps find a way to recover partitions and access the data
[13:02] <freechoice> after i create the new md device, i can't see the md device on partions page
[13:02] <blackflow> freechoice: what is "partitions page"?
[13:03] <freechoice> choose the disk to install to:
[13:03] <freechoice> I can't see the md device i just created
[13:03] <Linpassion> hello
[13:03] <liquid-silence> can I force X to use the nvidia driver and not the navou?
[13:03] <blackflow> freechoice: with subiquity?
[13:03] <blackflow> liquid-silence: installing it does just that
[13:03] <liquid-silence> it does not apparently
[13:04] <Southern_Gentlem> liquid-silence, google blacklisting drivers in linux
[13:04] <EriC^^> liquid-silence: what does "sudo lshw -c video" show next to driver in use
[13:04] <blackflow> liquid-silence: which ubuntu?
[13:04] <freechoice> don't know what subiquity is
[13:04] <john_> hello
[13:05] <Linpassion> How to update nm-applet list operator to new as iliad, kena ecc...
[13:05] <blackflow> freechoice: you're installing ubuntu 18.04 server edition, right?
[13:05] <freechoice> correct
[13:05] <Guest93849> test
[13:05] <blackflow> freechoice: so that installer program is Subiquity. S(erver) Ubiquity
[13:05] <liquid-silence> something aint happy with this system
[13:06] <freechoice> ok
[13:06] <blackflow> freechoice: when did you last download the ISO? before or after 18.04.1 ?
[13:06] <freechoice> july 5th
[13:06] <blackflow> liquid-silence: if you have /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf   which you should when you install the nvidia driver _package_, then nouveau should be blacklisted
[13:07] <blackflow> freechoice: download it again. 18.04.1 has improvements in the installer, one of which is it now should work with mdadm
[13:07] <blackflow> which was the first thing mentioned hours ago when you came with this problem :)
[13:07] <freechoice> ok,i'll try
[13:08] <freechoice> if just because i use the old version to lost the raid, i really should cry
[13:09] <tomreyn> Linpassion: i think it's not clear what you're asking.
[13:09] <blackflow> freechoice: no you lost raid because you destroyed metadata by creating a new array from existing disks with underlying data
[13:09] <tomreyn> Linpassion: by 'as', do you mean 'AS' as in 'autonomous system'? if so, how would this related to nm-applet?
[13:09] <blackflow> freechoice: or in other words, you were doing your own thing and ignoring advices and help from teh channel :)
[13:10] <freechoice> i am not familiar with the lemon client, those messages shows use the little box
[13:10] <freechoice> and i haven't seen that
[13:10] <blackflow> freechoice: what?
[13:11] <freechoice> the irc client
[13:11] <blackflow> oh
[13:11] <Linpassion> tomreyn when I setup a internet key by nm-applet I choose a internet oparator. So now in my region it's growing tow new oparators. If I wanto to change oparator I cant't, because thew not appear on the list.
[13:12] <freechoice> that mistake should never be made again
[13:12] <tomreyn> Linpassion: what do you mean by "internet key"?
[13:12] <blackflow> freechoice: you can still dd /dev/sdb  into a file somewhere for later recovery of the data
[13:12] <tomreyn> Linpassion: which technology do you use to connect to the internet?
[13:13] <blackflow> freechoice: if you're lucky, only the partitioning information was affected and could be reconstructed somehow.
[13:13] <Linpassion> mobile broadband
[13:13] <liquid-silence> hmmm its not using the correct driver
[13:13] <freechoice> i'd rather restore them from svn
[13:14] <blackflow> freechoice: svn? so you _do_ have a backup of them?
[13:14] <freechoice> not full, but most of them
[13:14] <blackflow> freechoice: if you have the offset numbers, you can create a new partition layout from those
[13:15] <blackflow> freechoice: but you must use EXCACT sector number, not just MB/MiB or whatever unit that could round-off something
[13:15] <blackflow> *EXACT
[13:15] <freechoice> yep
[13:17] <freechoice> if i was use 18.04.1,may be it's i won't made such a mistake
[13:17] <tomreyn> Linpassion: mobile broadband connection make use of a modile boradband modem. and those odems usually require a sim card which is specific to a certain mobile broadband provider.
[13:18] <freechoice> it shows me if you put all disks into raids or lvm vgs, there will be nowhere to put the boot partition.
[13:18] <Linpassion> than if I add a new  sim nm-applet can detect new provider?
[13:18] <freechoice> so, i need to create a independent boot partition?
[13:18] <blackflow> freechoice: no need for RAID1
[13:18] <tomreyn> Linpassion: i assume you have a 3G (HSCSD or WCDMA) or 4G (LTE) mobile broadband data stick attached on an USB port. does this sound correct?
[13:19] <freechoice> but i can't create
[13:19] <blackflow> freechoice: can't create what exactly?
[13:19] <freechoice> can't creat md0
[13:19] <SlowJimmy> has ubuntu 18.04 recently changed from the previous way to set up your ethernet and other lan shit? like previously it was /etc/network/interfaces, is this not working anymore?
[13:19] <tomreyn> Linpassion: this discusses the general approach https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-mobile.html.en
[13:20] <SlowJimmy> do you need /etc/netplan instead of /etc/network/interfaces?
[13:20] <Linpassion> yes tot
[13:21] <tomreyn> Linpassion: which ubuntu release is this?
[13:22] <tomreyn> !language | SlowJimmy
[13:22] <blackflow> !netplan | SlowJimmy
[13:22] <tomreyn> SlowJimmy: please check the release notes, too
[13:22] <blackflow> SlowJimmy: note the keywords "configuration abstraction renderer"
[13:23] <tomreyn> !releasenotes
[13:23] <blackflow> SlowJimmy: meaning, yes, its' a new tool that by default confiugures specific backends like NM on desktops, and networkd on servers. /etc/network/interfaces, part of ifupdown pacakge, is no longer used, but you can still install the package and use that if you really want.
[13:24] <freechoice> use can't use the create button
[13:24] <blackflow> and yes, read the release notes for all the (other) changes.
[13:24] <SlowJimmy> fuck, this slipped past me, i was wondering why since the update samba isnt working anymore
[13:24] <SlowJimmy> thansk black!
[13:24] <SlowJimmy> you are real man!
[13:25] <blackflow> freechoice: ah the installer says that? I'm sorry, I don't know what's wrong with it then
[13:25] <blackflow> SlowJimmy: please mind your language here.
[13:26] <SlowJimmy> I will
[13:26] <liquid-silence> omg nvidia is useless
[13:26] <freechoice> It just shows if you put all disks into RAIDs or LVM VGs, there will be nowhere to put the boot partition.
[13:27] <freechoice> then why that could work when i use 16.04
[13:27] <Gilbert> it isn't as useless as intel GMA graphics
[13:27] <Gilbert> cuz 18.04 broke driconf for i915
[13:27] <blackflow> freechoice: sorry I don't know what exactly the installer does and how, I don't use them for that very reason -- they're limited and opinionated -- I prefer manual setup + debootstrap.
[13:27] <liquid-silence> I cannot get graphics drivers installed
[13:27] <liquid-silence> wtf
[13:28] <zetheroo> how does one configure mono? I have several programs which have bad font/icon issues on a very highres screen where scaling is enabled.
[13:28] <blackflow> liquid-silence: perhaps start at the beginning. which ubuntu, which pacakge you're installing. what's the error you're seeing.
[13:28] <liquid-silence> 18.04, nvidia gtx 1060
[13:29] <liquid-silence> its not installing the proprietary driver
[13:29] <yosuo> Hi I've got problem with configuring NTP serwer. When I set my /etc/ntp.conf file and check all with ntpq -p I get this : https://pastebin.com/yTY8gsr9
[13:29] <blackflow> liquid-silence: I guess you can't read
[13:29] <StofflGrisu> Hi! Is it possible to see in Gnome, to see, which keys are "stuck"?
[13:29] <yosuo> Stratum is 16 and offset is 0 which doesn't apparently work fine.
[13:30] <liquid-silence> blackflow its not allowing me to install the driver, the persistenced service fails to start
[13:30] <tomreyn> Gilbert: you can indicate that this bug affects you on top of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x11-utils/+bug/1787845
[13:30] <blackflow> liquid-silence: which pacakge and what error are you seeing.
[13:30] <liquid-silence> I cannot install the nvidia package, even the one from their site
[13:31] <SlowJimmy> blackflow: what is the package to install to re-enable the old unmanaged netwok interfaces file?
[13:31] <blackflow> yosuo: firewall blocking udp port 123?
[13:31] <yosuo> blackflow: How can I check that?
[13:32] <blackflow> SlowJimmy: ifupdown   . and in that case remove any config files from /etc/netplan/...  as it then won't interfere.
[13:32] <blackflow> yosuo: iptables -L -n for starters, but there could be external firewalls
[13:33] <Gilbert> tomreyn: though i'm not sure if it is a broken xdriinfo. is there a way to confirm that this is a case or something?
[13:33] <liquid-silence> I have now removed nvidia 390 and 396
[13:33] <liquid-silence> lets see if X starts
[13:33] <blackflow> liquid-silence: if you want help with that you'll have to answer questions you're being asked. which package are you trying to install, and what is the _exact_ error you're seeing.
[13:34] <liquid-silence> @blackflow so currently I have no drivers installed
[13:34] <liquid-silence> when I open software and updates
[13:34] <francisca> holllllllll
[13:34] <liquid-silence> it does not list the proprietary driver
[13:34] <blackflow> nvidia 390 _and_ 396   does not really work toghether, not sure they're even installable togheter. are you using the graphics PPA?
[13:35] <liquid-silence> I removed them
[13:36] <blackflow> liquid-silence: _them_ ? they can't be installed togheter at the same time
[13:36] <liquid-silence> I know they cannot
[13:36] <blackflow> liquid-silence: but okay, yes, start with a clean state, no nvidia-* packages, reboot.
[13:36] <tomreyn> Gilbert: you could just run 'xdriinfo' without any arguments, or 'xdriinfo driver 0'. if it returns 'Screen "0" is not direct rendering capable.' but screen 0 actually is DRI capable, then it's buggy. i just confirmed this on my end. xdriiinfo i aspparently broken in 18.04.1
[13:37] <liquid-silence> ok now I have zero display driver :)
[13:37] <blackflow> liquid-silence: and then you should install either one of them. I'd say start with default in Bionic, which is nvidia-driver-390. If you have issues, consider 396 from the graphics PPA.
[13:37] <blackflow> liquid-silence: should be having nouveau from the kernel
[13:37] <Gilbert> "Screen 0: not direct rendering capable."
[13:37] <Gilbert> huh.
[13:37] <liquid-silence> it still thinks there is a manually installed driver
[13:37] <blackflow> liquid-silence: what does?
[13:38] <liquid-silence> ubuntu's software and updates
[13:38] <Gilbert> so i should create an account and list that this affects me?
[13:38] <blackflow> liquid-silence: ah. well, don't use that for now, it's obviously having issues. that said, did you perhaps try to install the driver from the downloaded .run file?
[13:38] <tomreyn> Gilbert: it would help you to learn triage of this bug, which seems to matter to you.
[13:38] <liquid-silence> I cannot change it though
[13:39] <blackflow> liquid-silence: don't use that tool. use command line.
[13:39] <yosuo> blackflow: iptables -L -n doesn't give me any usufull info: https://pastebin.com/q8Sg17EV
[13:39] <blackflow> yosuo: can you pastebin /etc/ntpd.conf too?
[13:40] <blackflow> yosuo: btw, any reason you're using ntp.org's ntp instead of systemd-timesyncd ?  which ubuntu is that?
[13:41] <tomreyn> Gilbert: what do you / did you use driconf for?
[13:41] <Gilbert> Mainly Enabling OpenGL 2.1 Support, as other misc tweaking
[13:41] <yosuo> blackflow: did you mean /etc/ntp.conf? https://pastebin.com/tFgvBvLr
[13:41] <tomreyn> Gilbert: so downgrading to opengl 2.1?
[13:41] <Gilbert> upgrading.
[13:42] <Gilbert> by default, Intel GMA supports OpenGL 1.4
[13:42] <Gilbert> with a tweak you can get 2.1 working.
[13:42] <tomreyn> Gilbert: oh, the very old ones?
[13:42] <blackflow> yosuo: ah could be /etc/ntp.conf yes. let's see....
[13:42] <Gilbert> yeah the 3rd gen ones
[13:42] <Gilbert> GMA 3100 and 3150
[13:42] <yosuo> blackflow: I use 18.04
[13:42] <tomreyn> Gilbert: can't it be done with a module parameter?
[13:42] <Gilbert> idk :\
[13:43] <tomreyn> Gilbert: how did you do it with driconf?
[13:43] <Gilbert> i opened driconf and enabled one setting at the "debug" part
[13:43] <Gilbert> don't remember the exact name of the settings
[13:43] <liquid-silence> @blackflow Im doing a fresh install now
[13:44] <tomreyn> Gilbert: you should still have your dri configuration file in your home directory.
[13:44] <Gilbert> it's a clean install though...
[13:44] <tomreyn> oh, ok
[13:44] <Gilbert> and for some weird reason, driconf fails to recognize the i915 driver?
[13:45] <blackflow> yosuo: any reason you're using ntp.org's ntp?   also that restrict ::1  option is missing -6 before ::1 . See if it's erroring out on that misconfig
[13:46] <Gilbert> because i preety much changed .drirc to re-enable the settings, but it does nothing. it's like it doesn't realize i915 exists.
[13:46] <Helenah> Someone mentioned that Ubuntu Desktop can be installed without a DE.
[13:46] <tomreyn> Gilbert: as far as i can tell (right now), xdriinfo and thus driconf are generally broken on 18.04.
[13:46] <EriC^^> Helenah: there's the server version or mini iso
[13:46] <Helenah> ...
[13:46] <Gilbert> any way to get them fixed? a ppa perhaps?
[13:46] <Helenah> No, it's gotta be Ubuntu Desktop!
[13:46] <Gilbert> *an
[13:47] <Helenah> I can't for the life of me get LTSP to work with Ubuntu Server.
[13:47] <EriC^^> ltsp?
[13:47] <Helenah> So it's not an option. I don't want Unity on my servers.
[13:47] <Gilbert> at least while this is broken
[13:47] <tomreyn> Gilbert: you could try the usual suspects: xorg-edgers, padoka, oibaf
[13:47] <Helenah> and someone the other day said it can be done, so I wanna know how?
[13:48] <tomreyn> Gilbert: this seems to be what you were discussing https://www.cnx-software.com/2011/11/13/enable-opengl-2-0-and-webgl-for-intel-gma3150-in-ubuntu/
[13:48] <yosuo> blackflow: No reason behind it . I just use it. "-6" wasn't there in initial conf file
[13:48] <Gilbert> yeah, it's exactly this that i was looking for.
[13:49] <argusbr> how to make pro new open linux flash files?
[13:50] <Gilbert> tomreyn: which PPA would you recommend though?
[13:51] <yosuo> blackflow: How to check whether I sync with any servers at all?
[13:52] <blackflow> yosuo: `tcpdump port 123`  and see if it's sending out packets and if they're being replied to.
[13:53] <blackflow> yosuo: also, not sure what mods you did to ntp.conf, but I'd start with the default one, verify its' syncing, and then modify the config.
[13:54] <eraserpencil> hello
[13:56] <yosuo> blackflow: lot's of entries/logs over there
[13:56] <yosuo> in/out
[13:57] <tomreyn> Gilbert: it seems like xorg-edgers has no newer mesa / dri, so i guess i'd inspect the versions padoka and oibaf offer, then decide. but before you do, better take a look at i'm not really convinced that any of them will make driconf work again, it seems to be a dead project. but you can try these https://www.mesa3d.org/envvars.html
[13:58] <yosuo> blackflow: however now of these logs are my set servwers
[13:58] <Gilbert> thanks.
[13:59] <blackflow> yosuo: what do you mean?
[13:59] <tomreyn> Gilbert: so MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE might help there
[14:00] <Gilbert> doing this everytime i want to launch something is just off
[14:00] <Gilbert> *oof
[14:00] <yosuo> blackflow: I dont see there 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org
[14:00] <blackflow> yosuo: that's just a pool redirector
[14:00] <yosuo> blackflow: If I delete ntp.conf file will it be recerated ?
[14:01] <tomreyn> Gilbert: if you find the right variables you can just place them in your users' profile, xinitrc or /etc/environment
[14:01] <blackflow> yosuo: should be if force reinstall the package.   apt install --reinstall ntp
[14:05] <foot181> Helenah: follow these steps.  the only thing i did NOT do is run the initial setup afterwards, it break it for some reason.  https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/how-to-install-pnp-ltsp-on-ubuntu-mate-14-04-and-all-subsequent-versions/566
[14:06] <arakash> Is there anything obviously wrong here? https://pastebin.com/zka4pPQe  I'm getting "Client denied by server configuration /home/arakash/web".
[14:06] <yosuo> blackflow: I reinstalled ntp and after it I issued ntpq -p it gives me https://pastebin.com/kYRnykrH
[14:07] <drocha> j #golang
[14:09] <blackflow> yosuo: cool so you got a peer there. meaning your config changes borked something.
[14:11] <yosuo> blackflow: but it still stratum 16 and offset 0
[14:12] <yosuo> blackflow: I can type nonexisting server like 0.sdjfkl.pool.ntp.org and it gives the same result as previous stratum 16 offset 0
[14:13] <the-noob> EriC^^: I've written the backup boot sector and said Status: OK but still not showing in file manager
[14:13] <EriC^^> the-noob: did it show up in deep search?
[14:13] <the-noob> yes, at the end
[14:13] <blackflow> yosuo: according to that pastebin, you've got news-archive.... which is apparently stratum 2, with 0.711s offset
[14:14] <EriC^^> the-noob: did you try pressing p over it?
[14:14] <yosuo> blackflow: yes, but I want these 4 ubuntu servers to sync with
[14:14] <the-noob> I've rebooted and now quicksearch still starts with 2 ext4 partitions but deep search finds it faster
[14:14] <the-noob> yes, I'm actually copying files now
[14:15] <the-noob> P , all, C to my external back-up drive
[14:15] <the-noob> probably will take a bit as it's 200gb +
[14:15] <the-noob> will fiddle more with the partition after :)
[14:16] <blackflow> yosuo: the pool is dns balancer. that list, iirc, is doing a rdns check on the IP you get from the pool.
[14:18] <yosuo> blackflow: I'am afraid I didn't get :(
[14:19] <EriC^^> the-noob: cool :)
[14:19] <blackflow> yosuo: those are not servers, that's the ntp pool. it's dns balanced
[14:20] <freechoice> still can't let mdadm work with 18.0.4.1
[14:20] <blackflow> yosuo: you get an IP from the pool and that IP you got
[14:23] <yosuo> blackflow: so the bottomline is that it syncs fine?
[14:23] <blackflow> yosuo: looks like it
[14:23] <blackflow> yosuo: it should log valid peers in syslog, so check tht
[14:25] <yosuo> blackflow: What if I ve got ontly these ntp pool
[14:25] <Southern_Gentlem> yosuo, you also know that your isp dns server is a ntp pool as well
[14:27] <leftyfb> Southern_Gentlem: are you basing that on being familiar with yosuo's particular ISP or making the assumption that all ISP's provide NTP services on their DNS servers?
[14:28] <Southern_Gentlem> leftyfb, all isps should provide ntp on the dns servers (they have to keep the dns servers clocked synced as well)
[14:29] <leftyfb> Southern_Gentlem: that last bit has to do with running an ntp client on the DNS servers, not serving up NTP to it's customers. I don't see how providing NTP services from a DNS server is in any way a requirement of running DNS services
[14:31] <Southern_Gentlem> leftyfb,  try it and see if it works
[14:31] <yosuo>  2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org is not ntp server?
[14:31] <salsan> Hi! None of my usb ports is working anymore. Yesterday everything worked fine. 'lsusb' does not return anything. I can't boot from usb stick. I am also experiencing a slower startup and shutdown process. Might this be a hardware issue? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/75B9KXDJgk/
[14:32] <leftyfb> salsan: that's a hardware issue
[14:32] <leftyfb> salsan: if you cannot see/boot from usb, that has nothing to do with the OS installed on the hard drive
[14:32] <leftyfb> salsan: try #hardware
[14:33] <leftyfb> Southern_Gentlem: try what?
[14:33] <Southern_Gentlem> syncing time from your isp dns server
[14:33] <tomreyn> salsan: if you made bios changes or upgraded firmware or microcode it could also potentially cause this.
[14:34] <tomreyn> salsan: but still not an OS (ubuntu) issue
[14:34] <blackflow> Southern_Gentlem: there's no requirement to run an ntp public server with DNS
[14:34] <tomreyn> salsan: (well the microcode would be)
[14:34] <Southern_Gentlem> i didnt say it was a requirement
[14:34] <Southern_Gentlem> i said it works
[14:35] <leftyfb> Southern_Gentlem: false assumption: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Dm2v4BF32z/
[14:35] <Southern_Gentlem> less lag than going to a pool 3 to 5 hops away
[14:35] <blackflow> Southern_Gentlem: you said all ISPs _should_ provide ntp on the dns servers, which implied they should provide public ntp servers on their DNS servers
[14:35] <Southern_Gentlem> leftyfb,  works here
[14:35] <leftyfb> Southern_Gentlem: ok, so YOUR ISP provides the service. Not all ISP's. That is a false statement.
[14:36] <Southern_Gentlem> leftyfb, of the 100s i have dealt with they all do but that might be just a usa thing
[14:36] <blackflow> your1p: 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org   is a pool, DNS load balancer, it returns from a pool of IP addresses
[14:36] <salsan> @leftyfb @tomreyn thank you
[14:37] <blackflow> your1p: sorry, that was for yosuo who seems to have left.
[14:37] <leftyfb> Southern_Gentlem: Comcast is the largest ISP in the country. They do not provide NTP services on their DNS servers
[14:37] <Southern_Gentlem> they do here
[14:38] <leftyfb> Southern_Gentlem: 75.75.75.75 is the most popular Comcast DNS server. It does not provide NTP services.
[14:39] <leftyfb> ah, leaves before being proven wrong
[14:40] <leftyfb> not very "Gentlem"-like :)
[14:40] <blackflow> lol
[14:40] <arakash> I installed mariadb and managed to mistype password. Now I'm locked out. What's the easiest way to re-install mariadb 100% completely?
[14:41] <leftyfb> arakash: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset
[14:41] <leftyfb> arakash: first result on google for "mysql reset password"
[14:41] <arakash> I tried that stuff, twice. I even succeeded changing the password once. But then suddenly it changed back apparently.
[14:42] <leftyfb> arakash: don't think that's a thing
[14:42] <leftyfb> arakash: change it, confirm it's changed, then troubleshoot why it's changing
[14:42] <arakash> WHen I log in as root, it complains I'm not root :S
[14:42] <leftyfb> arakash: pastebin the error please
[14:43] <arakash> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/D5AJb6Tp
[14:45] <leftyfb> arakash: you did not follow the instructions in the link I gave you
[14:46] <EriC^^> the-noob: were you actually able to retrieve the files?
[14:47] <EriC^^> the-noob: i just recreated what happened with you on my pc with a file instead of hdd, after test finishes recovering, the files aren't actually there, but i was able to go to "advanced>backup bs" in testdisk and then when i manually mounted it using mount the files were there as well as the contents inside them
[14:48] <arakash> leftyfb: I'm trying it now. I get this: https://pastebin.com/DrwiL7rw
[14:49] <blackflow> arakash: why did you add that & at the end of the first command?
[14:49] <leftyfb> arakash: run the mysql_safe like you had before, but use set PASSWORD as opposed to ALTER USER
[14:50] <arakash> leftyfb: I tried both
[14:51] <leftyfb> update mysql.user set password=password('MyNewPass') where user='root';
[14:53] <leftyfb> arakash: after googling your error: https://ourcodeworld.com/articles/read/704/how-to-change-the-password-of-a-mysql-user-from-the-command-line
[14:56] <the-noob> EriC^^: yes, I am able to retrieve the files, so far "Copying, please wait... 47410 ok, 0 failed"
[14:56] <EriC^^> the-noob: ok great, mine said 0 ok, so that's good
[14:57] <the-noob> will play safe, copy them to my external drive
[14:57] <the-noob> and then try to restore the partition
[14:57] <EriC^^> sounds good
[15:10] <irated> any one know how to get rid of this "Your Hardware Enablement Stack (HWE) is supported until April 2019."
[15:12] <blakes5> hi, I set up remmina to connect to a rdp sesson on another linux box with a ssh tunnel. It was working fine until I changed my password on the linux box. Now Reminna is reporting that password authentication failed. Then I remembered that when connecting the first time reminna asked to "remember" the ssh password. Where does Reminna store that password so that I can change it?
[15:13] <Ras> Trying to install https://github.com/vividnightmare/g510s , but it doesn't have a config file and checkinstall thing doesn't work.. What is the proper way of installing it, I don't know what to google for.
[15:14] <compdoc> blakes5, just edit the entry and change the password there
[15:15] <irated> seems like mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1775236
[15:18] <foot181> blakes5: in remmina, right-click your instance to update and click the "edit" link from the menu.
[15:18] <blakes5> compdoc, within reminna there appears to be two passwords in play....the one you use to log into the rdp session and the one reminna saved for the ssh tunnel. When the password is changed on the target system and the password is changed in reminna to log into the rdp session the ssh tunnel password does not get update nor do I know where to update it.
[15:18] <compdoc> blakes5, ah
[15:19] <blakes5> I can delete the saved configuration and recreate it and get prompted to save the ssh tunnel password again....but that's not really the same as changing it.
[15:19] <compdoc> blakes5, maybe thats why I always disable the ssh tunnels
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> Ras: This channel is only outfitted for supporting Ubuntu itself and the applications that are provided through the package repositories. You will have to reach out directly to the developer of that application to receive support for it.
[15:20] <blakes5> compdoc, ssh tunneling seems to be a more convenient fix to learning how to verify what kind of security is being negotiated since explicitly required TLS doesn't appear to work.
[15:20] <Ras> :/
[15:20] <Ras> pragmaticenigma: it doesn't seem active, what should I google for at least?
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> Ras: Again, we can't help you here.
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> Ras: You may find better luck in a channel more generic to software development or linux.
[15:22] <EriC^^> Ras: https://github.com/vividnightmare/g510s/blob/master/INSTALL
[15:23] <EriC^^> Ras: i'd recommend trying checkinstall again
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> EriC^^: Just got telling them we aren't able to support that here... please don't
[15:24] <EriC^^> pragmaticenigma: just pointing where the install docs are
[15:24] <foot181> blakes5: you may be able to change your SSH password in your "password and keys", not sure which flavor of Linux you have.
[15:25] <EriC^^> also i like to think ppa's aren't expected to be supported here, but not really not allowed to be helped with, if a volunteer wishes so, not sure what the real terms are
[15:26] <blakes5> I'll give that a try foot181
[15:31] <blakes5> foot181, using lubuntu here and there is no setting in the gui. Going to have to find it else where. But thank you for the suggestion. I've gotta run.
[15:32] <hollusion> hello, sometimes th desktop freezes and the screen goes black and comes back after some minutes, it just happened now after resizing a window
[15:32] <hollusion> here is the dmesg output
[15:32] <hollusion> http://dpaste.com/171PBK4
[15:33] <hollusion> any idea what the problem could be?
[15:33] <foot181> blakes5: welcome! there's probably something else then.
[15:39] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[15:40] <JimBuntu> hollusion, checked the fans on your GPU lately?
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> blake_r: the config files and passwords are stored in ~/.remmina folder... I think if you just outright remove that folder, it will recreate it and you can resetup your connections
[15:41] <blake_r> pragmaticenigma: you highlighted the wrong blake
[15:41] <hollusion> JimBuntu, its a passively cooled gpu
[15:41] <blake_r> pragmaticenigma: seems that other blake has already left
[15:42] <hollusion> sensors temp1:        +38.5°C  (crit = +120.0°C, hyst = +90.0°C)
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> ah... thanks for the update blake_r
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> hollusion: is there a lot of dust on GPU heatsink? or anything block airflow around the gpu?
[15:43] <JimBuntu> hollusion, Ok. Unsure why the kernel/ring 0 would stall like that randomly
[15:43] <hollusion> the pc is quite clean on the inside
[15:45] <r15> hello, i am trying kernel live patching on 16.04. Output of canonical-livepatch status --verbose shows checkState: check-failed
[15:45] <r15> tried canonical-livepatch refresh however no luck
[15:46] <r15> kernel which i have currently is 4.4.0-116-generic.
[15:47] <r15> do i need to restart after install canonical-liveupdate ?
[15:51] <r15> what Bad server status code: 400. indicates?
[15:52] <ducasse> r15: i know you have to setup your account info somehow, did you do that?
[15:54] <r15> ducasse: I copied the token and exported it in $CANONICAL_KEY variable and then executed 'sudo canonical-livepatch enable $CANONICAL_KEY '
[15:54] <ducasse> r15: try looking at this https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-use-the-canonical-livepatch-service-to-patch-a-kernel-without-rebooting/
[15:55] <r15> Checking, thanks.
[15:58] <bn_work> hi, where does Ubuntu 16.04 LTS keep it's OOM log?  I noticed some messages on the console but don't see it in `/var/log/syslog` or other files
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> bn_work: what is OOM log?
[16:02] <bn_work> out of memory
[16:02] <daddy0> im confused how to install the intel graphics driver on 18.04
[16:02] <r15> is there some issue with
[16:02] <r15> We are currently unable to retrieve the requested key. Please try again later.
[16:03] <daddy0> details says graphics: intel iron lake mobile
[16:03] <r15> https://auth.livepatch.canonical.com/  is working as expected? appears to be some issue?
[16:03] <adrian_1908> daddy0: have you looked under Software & Updates -> Additional Drivers?
[16:03] <daddy0> i found https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads but im confused what exactly to dl and install help please
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> daddy0: You shouldn't need to install anything for Intel Graphics
[16:04] <daddy0> theres nothing under additional drivers
[16:05] <daddy0> its a fresh install i just assumed i would need to install drivers... i will load a game see how it plays thanks
[16:06] <adrian_1908> For intel drivers, everything usually works out of the box as pragm. said. I just thought yours might be cutting edge hardware that isn't supported yet (not keeping up with intel codenames)
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> adrian_1908: My concerns was the link to a backwoods page offering "drivers" for linux...
[16:07] <ducasse> pragmaticenigma: that's the official intel graphics site
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> ducasse: 01.org???
[16:07] <ducasse> yep
[16:08] <adrian_1908> can confirm, they also host software there.
[16:09] <r15> 'Canonical Livepatch Health service' < this is what i am getting when trying to login to live patching (to get token).
[16:10] <r15> https://livepatch.canonical.com/
[16:11] <r15> tried in firefox and safari browsers (https://livepatch.canonical.com/ is giving Canonical Livepatch Health service  - is it the expected output?
[16:17] <bn_work> anyone?
[16:17] <tomreyn> bn_work: run: dmesg
[16:21] <bn_work> tomreyn: thanks!
[16:23] <tomreyn> r15: what did you expect to see there? were you referred to this url from somehwere?
[16:24] <tomreyn> r15: maybe you meant to go here? https://auth.livepatch.canonical.com/
[16:30] <alumno__> hola
[16:30] <alumno__> amigos
[16:31] <alumno__> alguein habla españoñ
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> !es | alumno__
[16:36] <alumno__> puto el que lo lea
[16:37] <Aaron> alumno__: eres un trolo
[16:38] <BluesKaj> that needs no translation:-)
[16:41] <leftyfb> !op alumno__
[16:41] <leftyfb> !op | alumno__
[16:50] <alumno__> puto el que lo lea
[16:58] <robert45> hi guys, does anyone know anything better than jailbit for jailing ssh accounts?
[16:59] <mobile_c> how do i get 32 bit libc headers
[16:59] <mobile_c> mobile_c@Mobile-C:~/git/GC$ gcc test\ case.c -g3 -O0 -m32
[16:59] <mobile_c> /usr/include/stdio.h:27:10: fatal error: bits/libc-header-start.h: No such file or directory
[17:04] <ioria> mobile_c, try with gcc-multilib
[17:04] <mobile_c> i dont have gcc-multilib
[17:05] <mobile_c> gcc-multilib: command not found
[17:05] <ioria>  !info gcc-multilib
[17:05] <ioria> mobile_c, it'sa pkg
[17:06] <mobile_c> ok
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> robert45-: perhaps the #openssh channel might know ideas
[17:08] <mobile_c> rip it removes my gcc-7-arm-linux-gnueabi package and others
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> robert45-: see also fail2ban
[17:45] <Anshul> hi....i have some problem after installation of ubuntu 18.04 lts, it isn't booting, i have installed it using usb
[17:47] <Anshul> ??
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> Anshul: at wich point does it stuck?
[17:49] <alesan> hello
[17:49] <alesan> I am trying to find out where is, what entity controls the amount of time it takes to wait when a login password is wrong
[17:49] <argusbr> how to make pro new open linux flash files?
[17:50] <alesan> where should I look?
[17:50] <Anshul> hi....i have some problem after installation of ubuntu 18.04 lts, it isn't booting, i have installed it using usb
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> Anshul: answer my question please?
[17:51] <compdoc> Anshul, how many hard drive are in the system?
[17:52] <Anshul> one
[17:53] <DouglasK> I've found some very odd behaviour in smb shares mounted by fuse.  Try to run vim to edit a new file, and you get an error that the swap file exists, even though it didn't exist before running vim.  This doesn't happen with a cifs mounted smb share.
[17:53] <Anshul> it stuck before login , at the time when there is ubuntu logo and the dots animation
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> Anshul: press F1 at boot logo time to see errors where it freezes
[17:55] <DouglasK> Has anyone else seen similar issues with fuse mounted smb shares?
[17:56] <Anshul> everything is showing ok
[17:58] <Anshul> lotuspsychje : should i give my email id to u here so that i could share photo
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> Anshul: no, dont share email here please
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> Anshul: can you see errors before login?
[18:02] <DouglasK> Question: How to figure out where to report a bug in the fuse system in Ubuntu?
[18:05] <skinux> What is the default terminal of Ubuntu ?
[18:06] <hggdh> skinux: gnome-terminal for Gnome, konsole for KDE
[18:07] <anshul> hi....i have some problem after installation of ubuntu 18.04 lts, it isn't booting, i have installed it using usb
[18:09] <DouglasK> is there a forum for discussing potential libfuse issues?  I'd like to ensure this is an issue, and to properly define it before logging to github
[18:09] <anshul> ?
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> DouglasK: here we focus on ubuntu issues, is it the package 'fuse' you have issues with?
[18:11] <skinux> Failed to stop apache2.service: Unit apache2.service not loaded.
[18:11] <skinux> Oops.
[18:12] <DouglasK> lotuspsychje, I believe so, yes.  It only affects things working in a fuse mounted samba share.  Trying to figure out where to go to narrow it down a bit then report.
[18:13] <qwebirc64386> Hello, Would anyone here be able to answer a question i have about ceph?
[18:13] <DouglasK> lotuspsychje, note, this issue does impact ubuntu 18.04 out of the box.
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> DouglasK: an idea is to make the bug report, and before you actually proceed, see if there are duplicates of it
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> DouglasK: ubuntu-bug fuse
[18:14] <ducasse> qwebirc64386: you might want to try #ubuntu-server for that
[18:14] <qwebirc64386> thanks i will try there
[18:14] <DouglasK> *nods*  I've been searching github's fuse repo, will search for the ubuntu bug repos too.
[18:14] <DouglasK> Thank you, lotuspsychje
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> DouglasK: i would reccomend if something doesnt work out of the box on ubuntu, report a bug before trying gits
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> DouglasK: after the bug is created, you can always help testing things, like gits
[18:16] <DouglasK> lotuspsychje, *nods* Perfect, thank you
[18:16] <qwebirc64386> ducasse: It seems to not be letting me send to that channel
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> DouglasK: feel free to share the bugs link here after you created it, we might think along
[18:16] <tomreyn> !register | qwebirc64386
[18:16] <DouglasK> Sounds good.
[18:17] <tomreyn> qwebirc64386: you'd need to register to join #ubuntu-server. what's your ceph question?
[18:17] <anshul> lotuspsychje : now that f1 window is also stuck
[18:17] <tomreyn> s/join/chat on/
[18:17] <qwebirc64386> I was just wondering if it is still recomended to have my journal on a seperate ssd (I have 2 3TB HHD and 1 250GB SSD) and if so how should i calculate the space needed
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> anshul: do you singleboot ubuntu, or dualboot with another Os?
[18:18] <qwebirc64386> It would be singleboot ubuntu 18 server installed on the ssd
[18:19] <tomreyn> qwebirc64386: sorry, i would not know, maybe you'll have to register.
[18:20] <anshul> i tried dual booting win7 and ubuntu but after installation of ubuntu with win7 i was unable to boot on either of the os .... so i installed Ubuntu by formating my all partitions
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> anshul: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[18:22] <anshul> integrated..... but i used Ubuntu live using usb and it worked very well....i have pentium 4 with 3gbs ram
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> anshul: would be usefull if you had errors before that login
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | anshul try this also perhaps
[18:29] <chattyMan> ChanServ: Hi All.  I am an ubuntu amateur user and new to this IRC.  I have joined the forum because I thought it might be a good place to learn more and express and hopefully solve some of the issues i have with Ubuntu.  Been using Ubuntu on and off for many years as a simple user and have found it fun and satisfying to use.  However there is always something i struggle with.   Hopefully I am in the correct place to get help, if not please point me.
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> !ask | chattyMan
[18:29] <DouglasK> lotuspsychje, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fuse/+bug/1789477
[18:30] <tomreyn> chattyMan: welcome. you're in the right place.
[18:30] <anshul> i searched for nomodeset,..... according to it i have to do something at time of gurb....but there is no gurb on my....when i press power button it directly show me the ubuntu splash screen and loads for some time and then freezes....after leaving it for some times screen turns off automatically tho my pc, keyboard, mouse is still on
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> DouglasK: thank you for taking time to report the bug, it looks good!
[18:31] <DouglasK> lotuspsychje, you're most welcome.  I work in software support for Corel... found this because a user reported something odd happening with Corel's AfterShot under Ubuntu.
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> anshul: try to press F1 during your ubuntu logo, any errors in the text you can catch is usefull for us
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> DouglasK: a few ideas for testing: try booting a previous kernel, try another version of fuse like !backports, find other users to affect the bug for faster solving,describe your taken steps to the bug
[18:33] <anshul> lotuspsychje : i tried but i found nothing, also that f1 window freezes after sometime
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> anshul: can you fall back to tty during booting? ctrl alt F1?
[18:34] <anshul> no... i will see
[18:35] <DouglasK> lotuspsychje, wilco.  For now, I've given my user directions to mount his smb share via cifs as it works, but yes, I do want to make it work with fuse too as I"m sure it's only a matter of time before it affects others.
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> DouglasK: ok, good job mate
[18:42] <foot181> anshul: the esc may hide the splash screen also (if you get this far). sometimes the screen goes blank depending on your video drivers, but still boots.  i've had this happen before.
[18:47] <esro> is there any smart way to keybind applications ?
[18:47] <esro> i need to bind open if not running and focus if it does
[18:47] <esro> and cycle if multiple instances
[18:47] <esro> raiseOrRun is bugged and doesnt start automatically after login
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> esro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Keybindings
[18:58] <esro> lotuspsychje: doesnt work
[18:59] <chattyMan> Thanks tomreyn.    Issue:  Upgraded ubuntu 1604 to 1804 now I cannot get my laptop and monitor to work in dual monitor mode once I have passed the initial sign in.   They both work individually and they have also worked fine for many months when I was using Ubuntu 1604.  After upgrade at first the unity version continued to allow dual monitors but now neither unity nor the gnome versions will allow two monitors. I either get black screens or flashing
[18:59] <chattyMan> screens.  Any ideas how i could resolve this.
[19:11] <twobitsprite> I'm build a Docker container off of the ubuntu:17.10 image, and I'm installing Ansible from a PPA, and then doing an "apt-get purge --autoremove" and it's removing ansible... I thought it would only remove things that weren't manually installed directly?
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> twobitsprite: 17.10 is end of life by now
[19:12] <esro> wow... lotuspsychje practice not writing in this channel
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> esro: pardon?
[19:13] <esro> twobitsprite: had similiar shit with purging python3
[19:13] <esro> removed everysingle shit
[19:13] <esro> seems its going with deep dependencies....
[19:13] <foot181> twobitsprite: have you tried it without "purge"?  apt-get --autoremove
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> esro: please keep language familly friendly here
[19:14] <twobitsprite> esro: yeah, it's really weird
[19:14] <twobitsprite> foot181: I could try it, but just seems like it shouldn't be removing it at all
[19:15] <esro> yup. it should basically remove remaining configs, not grep for $string and rm -fr *
[19:15] <foot181> twobitsprite:  you can try it and say no when it prompts you.  your right, it shouldn't unless there's a weird dependency as esro says.
[19:16] <Helenah> How come the PPA keeps timing out?
[19:16] <esro> seriously - i cant get system right since this happen - last time i screwed system so much... was early admin days. yum erase gcc xD
[19:17] <esro> anyone found some nice way of binding applications ?
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> twobitsprite: we also dont support external ppa's, why dont you use the ansible from the ubuntu repos?
[19:17] <esro> gnome extensions seems very buggy
[19:18] <twobitsprite> foot181: nope, just doing "apt-get autoremove" still tries to remove ansible
[19:19] <esro> twobitsprite: you sure its not some old version of ansible ?
[19:20] <twobitsprite> esro: after it removes it, I have no ansible commands, and it's not installed by default in the container image I'm using, so I don't think that's it
[19:20] <esro> brb, changing system to cancerous one
[19:20] <hggdh> esro: that's enough now, please stay on topic
[19:20] <esro> hggdh: how am i straying from topic ?
[19:20] <hggdh> esro: language, ranting about things
[19:20] <esro> brb
[19:21] <esro_> how am i raging :s
[19:21] <esro_> oh w/e. dont ban me pls
[19:21] <Helenah> Ohai hggdh :)
[19:22] <twobitsprite> bunch of IRC Nazi's in here...
[19:22] <Helenah> I thought there was #ubuntu-social?
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> please only ubuntu support here
[19:22] <hggdh> Helenah: there is #ubuntu-offtopic if you want
[19:22] <Helenah> Ah, that was it! Thanks.
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | twobitsprite
[19:23] <twobitsprite> lotuspsychje: not exactly what I'm looking for...
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> twobitsprite: adding external ppa's can scramble your system, like you experience right now
[19:25] <twobitsprite> lotuspsychje: latest version of ansible, even in 18.04 is 2.5. I need 2.6 from the ansible PPA
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> !latest | twobitsprite
[19:26] <esro> ... i wouldnt worry about ppa since there is problem with autoremove acting crazy
[19:26] <twobitsprite> lotuspsychje: yeah, I know, which is why there are PPAs
[19:26] <esro> can you pastebin what apt is suggesting to clear ?
[19:26] <Ben64> twobitsprite: you should be using 18.04 anyway
[19:27] <twobitsprite> Ben64: the migration is being planned, I'm just asking about apt-get behavior...
[19:27] <twobitsprite> Ben64: besides, even on 18.04 I would still need the PPA
[19:27] <Ben64> 17.10 is no longer supported, at all
[19:27] <Ben64> i didn't say don't use the ppa, i'm saying to use a supported release
[19:27] <esro> Ben64: sometimes you have to recreate crap from work
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> esro: please mind your language, again
[19:28] <madLyfe> so i have setup a samba share on ubuntu server to serve to my windows 10 box. is that the same share setup i should use to share to other nix boxes on the network? or is there something that nix uses to talk to nix?
[19:28] <esro> what do you mean language
[19:28] <hggdh> ...
[19:28] <esro> what exactly offends your identity ?
[19:28] <Ben64> madLyfe: samba works with windows
[19:28] <esro> aw . ok i see - write C word
[19:29] <Ben64> madLyfe: oh i read it wrong, it works with linux as well, but it doesn't support linux file permissions and stuff
[19:30] <madLyfe> how does one usually access a drive on another linux box from in linux?
[19:31] <tomreyn> madLyfe: the most common approach is probably ssh or network file sharing, nfs
[19:31] <Ben64> i'd use samba, or sshfs
[19:31] <Ben64> but it depends on what you need it to do
[19:32] <madLyfe> well i want it to function like an auto mounted drive. like its part of this system for frequent access.
[19:32] <esro> can you recommend linux channel whcih is more relaxed as for lanugage ?
[19:33] <strive> esro: There are specific Ubuntu support channels for languages.
[19:33] <esro> yeah yea, but i doubt i can keep it civil
[19:34] <strive> ?
[19:34] <esro> so its either being silent and fish for news, or look for channel where i can rant as much as i like
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> esro: the guidelines are wider then this channel, ask in #freenode for their guidelines
[19:34] <twobitsprite> Ben64: same problem on ubuntu:18.04
[19:34] <strive> madLyfe: You could check out automount (autofs).
[19:34] <Ben64> twobitsprite: ok, so don't autoremove
[19:35] <strive> esro: You could always create your own?
[19:35] <esro> twobitsprite: i did purge python3 on 18.04
[19:35] <esro> its new and exciting
[19:36] <twobitsprite> Ben64: I'm trying to get the image as slim as possible. Is there a way to mark a package as non-autoremovable?
[19:36] <esro> i am sure there is channel with people who got banned by sixy on #rhel and since i wasnt insulting anyone here - i am pretty sure, there is already chann like that :P
[19:36] <hggdh> esro: last warning. Keep on topic
[19:36] <tomreyn> twobitsprite: apt-mark manual <package>
[19:37] <dptc> Anybody else getting this annoying warning message in the toolbar about updates? disappears when I do sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade but tends to be recurring.
[19:37] <twobitsprite> tomreyn: ah ha! I knew I remembered there was something like that, thanks
[19:39] <tomreyn> dptc: you can configure ubuntu to automatically install updates.
[19:39] <dptc> tomreyn: I have but I think it was an issue with the mirror that it is currently trying to contact for updates. Seems stable for now however.
[19:41] <madLyfe> strive: it looks like autofs unmounts of inactivity
[19:41] <tomreyn> dptc: right, bad / unreliable mirror servers could cause this.
[19:42] <ash_worksi> I downloaded https://github.com/irrtoolset/irrtoolset to a server as root to /usr/local/src/ , extracted it there and compiled it; if I want to keep the archive where would be the best place keeping with FHS?
[19:42] <strive> madLyfe: Don't need that feature? I'm sure it can be configured.
[19:42] <ash_worksi> (had I not been root, would've thought ~/Downloads )
[19:43] <twobitsprite> tomreyn: hmm, says "ansible was already set to manually installed." and autoremove still removes it
[19:43] <strive> madLyfe: If not, then you're probably better off using NFS or SMB (CIFS).
[19:43] <foot181> madLyfe: you can use the same samba share via smbfs (cifs), or sshfs.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently under "Mount password protected network folders".  Check Prerequisites also.
[19:43] <ash_worksi> actually no such dir exists atm, even on my own user dir
[19:43] <dptc> tomreyn: true, seems most likely the case. still getting my new laptop working well with Ubuntu - I've got the new xps with 4k display and they scaling isn't ideal but meh.
[19:44] <strive> madLyfe: Adjust your fstab file for it to automount and it's easy access from there.
[19:44] <strive> madLyfe: Now, I'm not entirely sure if a sudden poweroff of the system would cause damage do those remote files.
[19:44] <tomreyn> twobitsprite: what's the installation state of the package by the time you run the command which autoremoves it, and which command do you run that autoremoves it?
[19:45] <Helenah> Does anyone know why the PPA keeps timing out?
[19:46] <tomreyn> Helenah: what's *the PPA* and how are you testing, and from where to where.
[19:46] <twobitsprite> tomreyn: I think I'm removing a package that ansible depends on... I tried it with no packages on the autoremove command line and it's not removing it now, just need to figure out which one.
[19:46] <Helenah> I'm trying to use the Greek Schools launchpd PPA, I'm trying to install packages from it, however it times out.
[19:47] <tomreyn> dptc: if you can provide concrete hardware specifications, maybe someone can suggest what to do to improve the scaling.
[19:48] <dptc> tomreyn: that's kind of you but I don't know if the marginal cost of yours or anyone elses time is less than the marginal benefit of improved scaling tbh.
[19:49] <madLyfe> foot181: im not mounting a windows share, its just a ZFS mirror array on a ubuntu server box on my network. i want to be able to access it from ubuntu as well like its an internal mounted drive. well ease of access wise, anyways.
[19:49] <tomreyn> Helenah: can you post the http address returned by this command: sudo /bin/true; nc termbin.com 9999 <( apt-get update 2>&1; apt-get --assume-no dist-upgrade -V 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; )
[19:49] <ash_worksi> I know it's a stupid question...
[19:50] <amazoniantoad> How do I go about writing a rule for IPtables to forward all TCP traffic thru a local proxy?
[19:50] <tomreyn> dptc: if it's not so important, than let's just ignore it. ;-)
[19:51] <ash_worksi> but I appreciate any input :)
[19:52] <oft_gegong> where can I get a package list (ie. list of packages) to apt-get to turn my ubuntu-install into something that had a mega IDE/programming environment or appear like something specialized like KaliLinux?
[19:53] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: i dont think there's a specific 'downloads' directory specified by FHS. i guess the most suitable location is probably the home directory of the user which downloaded / uses the software. and you should not build software as root, and you should use checkinstall rather than 'make install'.
[19:53] <ash_worksi> oh? I was just follow directions on that git page
[19:54] <Helenah> tomreyn: That didn't return any address.
[19:54] <ash_worksi> I did inevitably end up installing as root... :\
[19:54] <ash_worksi> maybe I don't know exactly what ramifications that might present
[19:55] <foot181> madLyfe: ah... gotcha! i guess if you shared your pool would be one way. I'm not sure how to remote server.
[19:57] <chattyMan> #ubuntu-discuss
[20:00] <madLyfe> lol i always end up leaving more confused than when i started
[20:00] <hggdh> ash_worksi: the whole idea is to minimise the risk of messing up the whole system. If you do something wrong as a normal user, then the impact is limited to the user space.
[20:00] <tomreyn> Helenah: use this instead (sorry): sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( sudo apt-get update 2>&1; sudo apt-get --assume-no dist-upgrade -V 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; )
[20:00] <tomreyn> Helenah: install pastebinit beforehand if you dont have it already
[20:01] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | Helenah
[20:02] <tomreyn> !checkinstall | ash_worksi
[20:03] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: the benefit of creating a .deb is that it will be possible to fully and clealy uninstall a package installed this way.
[20:05] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: what are the reprecussions of installing as root, aside from accountability?
[20:05] <chattyMan> Can I reinstall a ubuntu distro in order to repair it?
[20:06] <jcdutton> chattyMan, what is broken ?
[20:06] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: depends on how you install, and which software you install. installing a malicious software as root can break your system.
[20:06] <chattyMan> Use of two monitors at the same time.
[20:07] <jcdutton> chattyMan, so everything else works apart from 2 monitors?
[20:07] <chattyMan> Yes
[20:08] <jcdutton> Which graphics card and which driver are you wishing to use?
[20:08] <chattyMan> Correction, laptop screen and monitor
[20:09]  * tomreyn bbl
[20:09] <jcdutton> chattyMan, What does "xrandr --listmonitors"   output?  Does it see both monitors?
[20:14] <basos> hi, today i updated to 18 lts and dns resolving (had dnsmasq) stopped (empty /etc/resolv.conf). Did anybody else had this?
[20:16] <basos> not to mention that the usual suspect was caught on the act, s*****d-resolved. And deactivating this sh*t via NetworkManager config did the trick.
[20:21] <]]> hi
[20:22] <chattyMan> 0: +*LVDS-1 1280/303*800/190+0+0 LVDS-1
[20:23] <chattyMan> 0: +*VGA-1 1280/338*1024/270+0+0 VGA-1
[20:24] <chattyMan> Fist is the Laptop the later is the VGA monitor
[20:25] <chattyMan> 0: +*VGA-1 1280/338*1024/270+0+0 VGA-1
[20:32] <madLyfe> is this correct to see if a package is installed?
[20:32] <madLyfe> dpkg -l {package_name}
[20:39] <nacc> madLyfe: that is one way, sure
[20:41] <madLyfe> is there a 'better' way or 'up-2-date' way?
[20:41] <chattyMan> No only one monitor
[20:44] <chattyMan> I can only get to the terminal if one  or the other monitor is disconnected.
[20:46] <madLyfe> nacc: should i be using nfs over samaba to share to windows? to share to other nix boxes on the network?
[20:56]  * jhebden is back from [afk] - 426524h:56m:12s away
[20:57] <chattyMan> Can I reinstall a ubuntu distro in order to repair it?
[20:58] <oft_gegong> chattyMan: if I were you I'd copy the files you want to save and then `fdisk` and rewrite the hard drive with an empty GPT partition table scheme and reinstall ubuntu
[20:59] <jost> Hi! My main disk drive is failing, so I bought a new NVMe disk drive. I want to format it using ZFS, and want to put a new Xubuntu installation there. However, my mainboard is not able to boot from NVMe, so I can't boot from this drive. However, I have a second HDD which could hold the parts needed for boot. But I am not sure what to put onto that HDD - does putting the /boot partition on it suffice in order to mount and
[20:59] <jost> run stuff from the ZFS partitions?
[20:59] <chattyMan> That bad er, thx for the advice.
[21:00] <leftyfb> jost: that's pretty silly that a motherboard supports reading from a type of drive but not booting from it
[21:02] <jost> leftyfb, it's an old motherboard, from before the time NVMe was available. Reading from NVMe can be implemented in software, booting from it requires BIOS support... and there does not seem to be a BIOS update available for this board
[21:03] <StephanieT> ub
[21:23] <craigbass76> Anyone else having trouble with N Hp mfp since moving to 18.04?
[21:24] <craigbass76> I could with 14.04 and Mint 18, but can't seem to scan with simplescan now.
[21:26] <fishcooker> any errs craigbass76
[21:29] <cukier> Is there a way to make the order of windows in the dock constant? Let's say I have two chrome windows that I have trouble to distinguish by the thumbnail. I click the chrome icon in dock, click the second window, realize that I've made a mistake, click the chrome icon in dock, click the first window this time, realize that I clicked the same window, because they swapped places, get angry, chrome icon in dock, second window
[21:31] <littlegnome> hey guys, how you add indicators in ubuntu like ones in mate? in top bar
[21:36] <craigbass76> fishcooker, not really, but it might be because I'm not in the lp group. Need to log out/in to try it, or will I be in the lp group if I just open a new terminal and run sane from that?
[21:38] <craigbass76> littlegnome, I feel bad (again) for not giving Gnome3 a real long try, but the first thing I did when I got a new laptop was to install Cinnamon. That doesn't really answer your question, but that was my solution.
[21:38] <craigbass76> I needed dropbox to work, and it wouldn't with XFCE
[21:40] <twocarlo> guys is it ok to have a 800 watts psu if im using 8 hardrive 1 tb each , core i3, 8 gb ram, 4 120mm fan or is it fine or do you suggest to change my current psu?
[21:41] <tomreyn> twocarlo: try ##hardware
[21:46] <VitoG> does ubuntu work with touch screens
[21:46] <VitoG> and fingerprint and facial recognition
[21:46] <xamithan> Don't know about facial,  but yes
[21:47] <xamithan> fprint has been standard in gnome for a long time now
[21:47] <VitoG> kool
[21:47] <VitoG> and do touch screens work?
[21:47] <tomreyn> https://github.com/Boltgolt/howdy
[21:48] <VitoG> im looking for a linux friendly laptop
[21:48] <xamithan> If the hardware is compatible. I know most all the HP|Dell brands work
[21:48] <VitoG> business class
[21:48] <VitoG> yeah hp i was mostly looking at
[21:48] <VitoG> hp or lenovo
[21:48] <VitoG> both are linux friendly
[21:49] <VitoG> never understood why business use windows
[21:49] <tomreyn> generally, touch screens can work. it dpends on the very model, and whether the company producing it decided to provide good and permissively licensed forward portable drivers.
[21:49] <VitoG> u cant even configure the source code
[21:49] <VitoG> yeah closed source sucks
[21:50] <VitoG> yup aggred
[21:50] <VitoG> agreed
[21:52] <VitoG> same ole
[21:55] <qwebirc85403> Hi I could need your advice to how to open synaptic?? Cannot log in
[21:57] <hggdh> qwebirc85403: sudo -b synaptic
[22:37] <Zireael> Hello world!
[22:44] <wisewolf> grrr omg
[22:44] <wisewolf> why would 18.04 by default have no right menu
[22:45] <wisewolf> i had to install gnome tweak and do stuff
[22:54] <myym> hi
[22:56] <nacc> wisewolf: you mean right click?
[22:56] <nacc> wisewolf: and is this a fresh install or upgrade?
[22:57] <wisewolf> it was a fresh install
[22:57] <wisewolf> and the window control buttons were on... the right
[22:57] <wisewolf> i had to move them to the left
[22:57] <wisewolf> and install gnome fallback again
[22:57] <wisewolf> that should be installed by default
[22:57] <wisewolf> this new window system is not fun to work with
[22:57] <wisewolf> having to "search" for files
[22:57] <wisewolf> having those searches logged online
[22:58] <wisewolf> having to know all where to click to disable os telementry and ensure privacy
[22:58] <wisewolf> if you did not know what you were doing it would be a bigger mess
[22:59] <wisewolf> i did not even need a guide for this just used common sense but common sense is not common
[23:00] <nacc> wisewolf: some of that is rant, none of it seems technical
[23:00] <nacc> wisewolf: the buttons having moved is how gnome is upstream
[23:00] <nacc> and that's totally a user preference thing anyways
[23:00] <wisewolf> it feels wrong
[23:00] <nacc> "gnome fallback" should not be installed by default, it's not needed for many users
[23:00] <nacc> wisewolf: that 'feel' is not the way to establish policy
[23:01] <nacc> wisewolf: things like 'not fun to work with' is completey opinion
[23:01] <wisewolf> if more people knew about that desktop system they would use it
[23:01] <nacc> wisewolf: again, an opinion.
[23:02] <wisewolf> people are uninformed how can they know a more useable tool for there os
[23:02] <nacc> wisewolf: ok, please go elswhere, this is the support channel. YOu might want #ubuntu-offtopic.
[23:02] <conr> Speaking of desktop, what do you all use to get a graphical interface from another device? Like vnc or ssh gnone?
[23:03] <conr> for 18.04
[23:04] <nacc> conr: not sure i follow? 'from another device'? it is better to be more specific
[23:04] <compdoc> you want a remote desktop?
[23:04] <conr> like I have an iMac and I want to connect to another device with 18.04 on it.
[23:04] <wisewolf> that may be but im not breaking channel tos ;) kline me if you want im not a bad guy but i do have a lot of proxys that work on irc, bans are kinda a mute point
[23:05] <nacc> wisewolf: i don't care to report you to the ops, but please stick to support topics. vaguely threatening that they can't do anything about you doesn't endear you to anyone.
[23:05] <conr> nacc: I use tightvnc but it's makes another session different than if I was on it directly. Kind of annoying
[23:05] <nacc> conr: right, it uses the vnc session, which i think is .xsession
[23:06] <nacc> conr: you want the remote desktop solution baked into 18.04 iir
[23:06] <conr> nacc: Yes?
[23:06] <wisewolf> just because one has the means does not mean they have the motive, i use and love ubuntu and its my main os, a little rant about a window system does not hurt anyone,
[23:06] <conr> Or anything better you'd recommend?
[23:06] <nacc> conr: although i also wonder, remotely speaking, why you need the desktop?
[23:07] <torebro> Has anyone here succeeded in putting a full install of Ubuntu onto a USB drive, for use by USB booting, onto a UEFI Windows 10 computer?
[23:08] <conr> nacc:  Good question, I did do headless orginally, but started to like the Ubuntu interface. Maybe reason I use it for "private" internet browsing.
[23:09] <nacc> conr: did you try the built-in gnome screen sharing?
[23:09] <nacc> conr: it's over vnc, but should connect you to your existing sesion
[23:09] <conr> nacc: No how that work?
[23:09] <nacc> conr: settings -> sharing -> screen sharing, iirc
[23:10] <conr> nacc: Beautiful thanks.
[23:10] <nacc> conr: i've not used it, but i believe that's the standard solution to your question now (on 18.04)
[23:11] <conr> nacc: No problem. TightVNC does the job, but it would be nice if it was the same session.
[23:11] <nacc> conr: right, i imagine that your vnc client can be whatever, the server side is the bit that gnome handles configuring for you (so that you connect to the right session). let us know if it works!
[23:12] <conr> nacc: Do you know the default port it listens on? 5900?
[23:13] <nacc> conr: i believe it tells you on the screen
[23:13] <nacc> oh the port? i don't know
[23:13] <nacc> i'd guess 5900 as well, but you can check with `netstat -pan`, i think
[23:13] <nacc> netstat -pan | grep -i vnc
[23:13] <nacc> *might* need a sudo, depending on what user that vnc server runs as, but i'd assume it's your user
[23:14] <conr> nacc: I probably want to kill Xtightvnc right?
[23:16] <nacc> conr: oh probbly yes
[23:23] <conr> nacc: Do you use OpenVPN?
[23:23] <cwthedeveloper> What's up everyone
[23:25] <nacc> conr: nope
[23:25] <nacc> cwthedeveloper: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[23:26] <conr> If anyone could tell me a clean way to disconnect from OVPN I'd love them long time.
[23:26] <mouses> conr: as in disconnect a client?
[23:27] <nacc> conr: can't you just kill the client?
[23:27] <conr> mouses: Daemon in the background. Like now I do `$ ps aux | grep openvpn` then `kill -9 <process id>`
[23:27] <mouses> don't send a -9
[23:27] <mouses> man kill
[23:27] <nacc> conr: use SIGINT or SIGTERM
[23:27] <mouses> ^^
[23:27] <nacc> conr: reference the openvpn manpage, i think
[23:28] <nacc> conr: under "SIGNALS"
[23:28] <conr> so what `sudo kill SIGINT <process id>`?
[23:29] <nacc> conr: `man kill` :)
[23:29] <nacc> conr: kill -s is what you want
[23:30] <nacc> conr: or i think, kill -INT/-TERM <pid>
[23:31] <conr> kill: failed to parse argument
[23:32] <nacc> conr: did you do a literal -INT/-TERM or did you pick one?
[23:33] <conr> `$sudo kill SIGINT <pid>`
[23:33] <ghostnik11> hey so i was just doing an installation of lubuntu 18.04 and it froze at installing the "grub2" package but its not the problem with installation live disk. its the fact that i have a baytrail cpu and there is a known bug. what i want to know is if i will be able to shut it down and do installation process over again but this time add the intel cstate thing in grub before i boot live usb
[23:33] <nacc> conr: the -INT wasn't a mistake on my part
[23:33] <nacc> conr: read the manpage :)
[23:34] <conr> ok
[23:34] <nacc> ghostnik11: i assume that's the workaround, yeah
[23:34] <nacc> ghostnik11: that is, boot the installer usb and modify the kernel cmdline in grub
[23:37] <ghostnik11> nacc: okay, i just made like so many edits. because i had to tell it what correct wifi driver to use via terminal. i had to change the ucm files to get audio working and now this. okay i will shut it off and do that right away before i boot it while in grub. and this freeze wont afect the 32gb mmcblk hard disk? like will it give it errors since it froze while installing grub?
[23:38] <nacc> ghostnik11: that i do not know. I don't think it should, no.
[23:39] <ghostnik11> nacc: okay cool
[23:39] <joan_> Good evening, sorry to get in like that, but I wish to ask you a question: I have an Nvidia Geforce 630M in a laptop Toshiba Satellite. Following Nvidia technicians' advice I upgraded my BIOS, and installed a GPU detector in W7. It didn't detect my GPU. However, in Ubuntu I type 'sudo lshw -C video' and it appears there. Is this normal even if my GPU was dead, or the fact that I see that means that my GPU is alive (even if in W7 is not
[23:39] <joan_> visible)? Thanks very much
[23:48] <hdon> hi all :) activity monitor's CPU graph is no longer useful to me with core count rising. i'd be much morei nterested in: a graph of a single value telling me how utilized all of my cores are taken as a whole, and a single graph telling me how many processes were CPU-bottlenecked. is there such a thing?