[01:27] <gt8ost4l> i have a problemwith pulseausio it stutters at random can anybody help me fix this?
[01:27] <gt8ost4l> pulseaudio
[02:29] <Delvien> Welp... did a do-release-upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 and icons dont load, plasmashell doesnt load, things are crashing, fonts are all different sizes, kde wallet asking for password on ever login (after manually starting plasmashell) Learned my lesson about trying ubuntu again. Full on garbo.
[02:38] <IrcsomeBot1> Christoshaju was added by: Christoshaju
[02:38] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> Hi guys I am a new user to kubuntu … Could any one help me in fixing a thing
[02:39] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> (Photo, 1280x149) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/NVoCEMbL/file_9331.jpg
[02:40] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> Can I move the bar having file ,view ,etc to the same bar having minimise and close option  … And to seems as a single bar
[02:40] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> Please help anybuddy
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[03:46] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> no, you can't
[03:46] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> the titlebar is separate for a variety of very good reasons
[03:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> But I don't like that 😭😭
[03:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> then you should use GNOME apps until you get tired of all the drawbacks that it brings :)
[03:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> Can I change the icons of close button like that
[03:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @nggraham, Ohh
[03:48] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> sure, change your icon theme in System Settings > Icons
[03:48] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @nggraham, Ohhk
[03:48] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> Which is the best theme of ur conclusion
[03:48] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> I don't really have an opinion on the matter; I use all default themes
[03:49] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @nggraham, Ohh
[03:49] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> people seem to like Papirus though
[03:49] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> actually I lied: the titlebar icons are provided by the window decoration theme, not the icon theme
[03:49] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @nggraham, Where is that
[03:50] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> System Settings > Application Style > Window Decorations
[03:50] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> Kk
[03:50] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> Click on the "Get New Decorations..." button to, well, get some new ones :)
[03:51] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> Iam on 18.04  … Is there any huge bugs
[03:51] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> I'm probably not the right person to ask. :) I run a KDE bug squashing initiative so I have, um, a rather detailed overview of all the bugs
[03:52] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> but I use Kubuntu 18.04 myself on my personal machine, so it's good enough for me :)
[03:52] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> Ohhhkk np … thanks for replaying
[03:52] <IrcsomeBot1> <nggraham> no problemo
[03:52] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @nggraham, Yeah I installed yesterday seems good
[03:52] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> And nice
[04:01] <IrcsomeBot1> <Anarcho Taoist> @Christoshaju, Oranchello from github is a beautiful icon set.
[04:08] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> Is there any icon packs having full rounded icons and very colourfull apperience
[04:18] <IrcsomeBot1> <Anarcho Taoist> @Christoshaju, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=59O2x55CcY4
[07:07] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/lU21rVN3/file_9332.jpg How to remove this
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[09:00] <Guest41915> a
[09:02] <IrcsomeBot1> <Yaël GUILLOUX> hello, do there is a way to block the creation of new desktops when I open new applications?
[09:05] <hateball> You mean that new virtual desktops get created when you open for instance Kate?
[09:05] <hateball> I've never heard of such behavior
[09:06] <IrcsomeBot1> <Yaël GUILLOUX> Yeah; I mean like it opens a new desktop when I open a new app on a desktop
[09:06] <IrcsomeBot1> <Yaël GUILLOUX> which is already used by another app
[09:19] <Guest41915> Hello. How can i make the visual desktop remember it setting?
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[09:59] <flws> Hello. How can i make the visual desktop remember it setting?
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[10:11] <flws> Hello. Can anyone tell me how to get activity remember it desktop?
[10:14] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:25] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @Christoshaju, anyone help please
[10:26] <hateball> !ask
[10:26] <ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[10:29] <BluesKaj> Christoshaju ^
[10:30] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @Christoshaju, i want to remove this thing inside he round … i dont know the what the thing is  … i looked the seting didnt seen any option to hide … please help me to remove that thing
[10:30] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> <BluesKaj> what this mean
[10:31] <hateball> It is quite difficult to understand what you mean, "the thing inside he round" does not mean anything to me
[10:32] <BluesKaj> Christoshaju, i have no idea whaty you are talking about, "this thing"
[10:33] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @hateball, i too dont know what the thing inside the round was  … i didnt seen it in any other distros … and iam new to kubuntu
[10:33] <BluesKaj> inside the round?
[10:35] <BluesKaj> think there's more than something lost in the translation
[10:49] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @BluesKaj, Yeah inside the pink round
[10:50] <BluesKaj> ok we have a troll
[10:59] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @BluesKaj, 😔
[11:02] <IrcsomeBot1> <weltimeister> @BluesKaj, He sent a picture before via Telegram. He circled his problem there.
[11:03] <BluesKaj> weltimeister, well I don'r see a url since I logged on
[11:05] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/NAc8220c/file_9334.jpg
[11:05] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @Christoshaju, This thing inside the pink round
[11:05] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @IrcsomeBot
[11:06] <BluesKaj> hehe, you can't be serious
[11:06] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> 😕
[11:09] <hateball> I still don't understand what that is supposed to be
[11:09] <hateball> Is it a clock plasmoid?
[11:09] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/tZPEZlPj/file_9335.jpg I am not sure what is this things name … Iam thinking it is called as task bar … How can I set the colour from black to transparant
[11:11] <BluesKaj> at what point does this occur?
[11:13] <IrcsomeBot1> <Anarcho Taoist> @Christoshaju, I do not know what the symbols inside your pink cirlce are but perhaps create another panel -right click on desktop -unlock widgets - right click on desktop - create new panel. Then delete the old panel.
[11:14] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> Yeah … I created every have that
[11:14] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> And also a login screen there to its like that
[11:14] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> Some whiered languages
[11:18] <IrcsomeBot1> <Anarcho Taoist> hmm, perhaps look in settings- regional settings for a fix.
[11:31] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Ff0ImCcV/file_9336.jpg Everywhere iam having a unknown language insertion
[11:36] <IrcsomeBot1> <Anarcho Taoist> So, did you go to settings- Personalizations -regional settings - languages and change it?
[11:37] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @Anarcho Taoist, I selected mine Asia kolkatta
[11:38] <IrcsomeBot1> <Anarcho Taoist> 🤷‍♂️ Crazy!
[11:39] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/EqL8nRIy/file_9337.jpg And the swap is not even using
[11:39] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> @Anarcho Taoist, Or tell me which to choose
[11:45] <IrcsomeBot1> <Christoshaju> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/qVItqhKY/file_9338.jpg Fixed mahn 😘😘😘❤️
[11:46] <IrcsomeBot1> <Anarcho Taoist> 👍
[11:55] <sacarde> hi
[12:00] <sacarde> do I can install another DM in kubuntu (instead of sddm?)
[12:01] <BluesKaj> sacarde, yes , but why?
[12:01] <sacarde> I have some problem
[12:02] <BluesKaj> tell us your problem
[12:02] <sacarde> sddm start.. but I view an error:
[12:03] <sacarde> this: http://sacarde.altervista.org/data/sddm
[12:04] <BluesKaj> sacarde, are logging into a remote pc via vnc ?
[12:05] <sacarde> no
[12:05] <sacarde> ssh
[12:08] <BluesKaj> don't think changing greeters is going make any difference, but you can try lightdm
[12:26] <BluesKaj> sacarde, were you sshing into the remote pc successfully previously?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> sorry was afk for a bit
[12:44] <adem> this channel was created since 2006 ?
[14:17] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> @Christoshaju, Breeze! :-)
[14:17] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> @Christoshaju, And its dark brother.
[14:17] <IrcsomeBot> <Christoshaju> Thankz
[14:17] <IrcsomeBot> <Christoshaju> @Christoshaju, Any idea about this
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[14:21] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> @nggraham, Hi Nate! I am a non IT person who has switched to Linux for his personal computing. (Thus no github account etc.) How do I report bugs/issues on KDE? You seem the right person to ask. ;-)
[14:22] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> report them at http://bugs.kde.org/
[14:22] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> if you don't have an account there, sign up for one :)
[14:22] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> Please also read https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/Bug_Reporting
[14:22] <BluesKaj> !bugs
[14:22] <ubottu> If you find a bug in Kubuntu, please follow the instructions at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting to report the issue to the developers.
[14:22] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> and welcome to the light side!
[14:24] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> @nggraham, Hehe. Thanks. 1 year in and I already get annoyed whenever I have to boot into a windows machine. I never realized how many popups I tolerated earlier.
[14:25] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> @nggraham, And by the way, i am not even talking about Win10, but 7!
[14:28] <IrcsomeBot> <Christoshaju> @Phil Linux, Yeah me too dual booted kubuntu with win 7
[14:31] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> @Christoshaju, And before the stories around Win10 finally drove me over the edge to start seriously using Linux, I was totally satosfied with Win7. Unfortunately my wish to upgrade my hardware now seems to put me into a position where Microsoft forcesme to abandon Windiws completely. Win 7 is not supported on modern hardware any nore
[14:32] <IrcsomeBot> <Christoshaju> @Phil Linux, Ohh
[14:35] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> @Christoshaju, Yep. Bad surprise when I researched my upgrade...
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[14:49] <viewer|95508> Hello, I'm having trouble with Kubuntu installation, is this a good place to ask for help?
[15:02] <TBotNik> All: Having "held package" issues and desktop is gone on my laptop.  Writeup at:  https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5897979#post5897979
[15:03] <TBotNik> All: Anyone know how to clear "held" packages?
[15:08] <TBotNik> All: I've tried 9 commands and nothing works
[15:16] <iamtakingiteasy> A fascinating blog where freenode staff member Matthew mst Trout recounts his experiences of eye-raping young children https://MattSTrout.com/
[15:16] <iamtakingiteasy> I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan kloeri Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
[15:16] <iamtakingiteasy> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
[15:16] <iamtakingiteasy> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[15:41] <rschmidt__> y a t il un francais dans la salle?
[15:42] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> non, pas du tout. Anglais s'il vous plait :)
[15:42] <rschmidt__> itd ok
[15:42] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> That way everybody can understand :)
[15:42] <rschmidt__> its ok
[16:09] <Zic26> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[16:09] <Zic26> I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan kloeri Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
[16:09] <Zic26> A fascinating blog where freenode staff member Matthew mst Trout documents his experiences eye-raping young children https://MattSTrout.com/
[16:10] <Zic26> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[16:58] <BluesKaj> !ops, we'rebeing bot flooded again on #kubuntu and offtopic
[16:58] <ubottu> BluesKaj: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
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[16:58] <BluesKaj> !ops
[16:58] <ubottu> Help! Channel Emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies!) acheronuk, ahoneybun, claydoh, genii, ikonia, jussi, Mamarok, mneptok, Nalioth, ovidiu-florin, Pici, Riddell, ryanakca, shadeslayer, Tm_T, tsimpson, valorie, Unit193, yofel, dax.
[16:59] <BluesKaj> we need to +r for a while
[16:59] <Pici> BluesKaj: thanks
[16:59] <BluesKaj> thanks Pici
[17:00] <BluesKaj> it's in offtopic as well, Pici
[17:00] <Katnip> it's back eh
[17:00] <acheronuk> BluesKaj: I already +r on offtopic
[17:00] <Katnip> it's all over again
[17:01] <BluesKaj> yeah, really flooding here again
[17:01] <BluesKaj> but we should be clear for a while
[17:03] <madLyfe> trying to install libreoffice, should i get the deb from the website or go to discover? i think the discover one is out of date.
[17:04] <BluesKaj> madLyfe, not if you updated an d upgraded lately
[17:05] <Katnip> discover would be updated on a continual basis, so to say, the website is on you
[17:05] <acheronuk> madLyfe: newer/backports of libreoffice can be found here: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:07] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/sMsDaTrl/image.png
[17:11] <madLyfe> acheronuk:  the backports are still old from what i can tell
[17:12] <acheronuk> madLyfe: 6.1 has only just been uploaded to Cosmic 18.10, so that will come sometime soon hopefully
[17:13] <madLyfe> is it not possible to put that on 18.04.1? sorry im new.
[17:14] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> Kubuntu is a discrete release distro, which means that, by design, it does not upgrade to the latest version of everything immediately
[17:14] <acheronuk> madLyfe: if you want a version in Bionic which isn't even in the -release pocket of our development release yet, then you'll need to get it from somewhere else other than official ubuntu repos
[17:14] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> this is to provide a period of time for bugs to get found and fixed so that the software is more stable for you, the user
[17:16] <madLyfe> ya. im coming from windows and am used to the newest things.
[17:17] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> If you like the idea of a stable base, but want the newest versions for apps, you can use the Flatpak or Snap versions of them from Discover
[17:22] <madLyfe> where is the newest version of that on discover? is it denoted as 'snap' or 'flatpak'?
[17:24] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> open Discover, go to the Settings item on the bottom of the list on the left, scroll down, and click "Install" next to the Flatpak backend
[17:25] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> then install the Flathub repo. There should be a button in the toolbar on Discover's Settings page once you've installed the Flatpak backend
[17:25] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> but if there isn't, run this in Konsole: … flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
[17:25] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> thereafter, Discover will show apps from Flathub, which are always reasonably up-to-date
[17:25] <madLyfe> do the same for snap backend?
[17:25] <madLyfe> but i have to worry about who they came from?
[17:26] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> I don't recommend the snap backend in Kubuntu 18.04 because it is still buggy
[17:26] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> it is better in newer versions of Discover that have not been released yet
[17:26] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> but that doesn't help you :)
[17:28] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> Flathub apps are packaged by the Flathub team: https://github.com/flathub/
[17:28] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> they are not internet randos
[17:30] <madLyfe> this? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6NwlcPmg/image.png
[17:31] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> great, now you have the Flatpak backend
[17:31] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> now you need to install the Flathub repo
[17:31] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> since sadly the button is not visible in the toolbar (boo), run this in Konsole: … flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
[17:31] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> (I think the button not being visible was fixed in 5.13 or will be in 5.14)
[17:31] <madLyfe> i have the options 'add source' and 'add flathub'
[17:32] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> ah perfect, click "add Flathub"
[17:32] <oysteins> Where are the dbg symbols for Discover in Kubuntu 18.04 repos?
[17:32] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/F3eu3YYM/image.png
[17:33] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> oysteins: they are in individual packages; I think you may need to manually install them using apt
[17:33] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> madLyfe: perfect! Now Discover will show Flatpak apps. You can also click on the Flathub repo list item from the Settings page to browse all Flatpak apps on Flathub
[17:34] <oysteins> Except there is no package 'plasma-discover-dbg' or similar
[17:35] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> not even -dev?
[17:35] <madLyfe> hmm flatpak doesnt have libreoffice
[17:36] <oysteins> Not even -dev
[17:36] <oysteins> madLyfe: Libreoffice has an official flatpak
[17:36] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> sure it does :) … https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.libreoffice.LibreOffice
[17:37] <oysteins> No dbg symbols for Kate or Kssyguard either
[17:37] <madLyfe> developer - the document foundation? thats libreoffice?
[17:37] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> yes
[17:39] <madLyfe> hmm if i searched for it it showed up nothing. but it was right there on the front page.
[17:40] <oysteins> Not just on my end that dbg is missing, no hits here either: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=plasma-discover-&searchon=names&suite=bionic&section=all
[17:42] <madLyfe> video of the alleged indecent! https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BL5bLvWu/Screenshot%202018-08-30%2012-41-41.mp4
[17:46] <madLyfe> i also have this issue which is annoying: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/9b67c2/wth_is_going_on_with_my_shortcuts/
[17:52] <oysteins> Are there no dbg symbols for Plasma on Bionic, or is their absence a temporary repo issue?
[17:59] <madLyfe> also, now that the libreoffice is installed, where is it? like if i search for it it doesnt show up.
[18:00] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/GP8RM8Ww/image.png
[18:01] <oysteins> madLyfe: I had that happen with Flatpak apps after first install. Logging out and then in solved it.
[18:02] <madLyfe> that seems like a bug.
[18:02] <oysteins>  Ah, dbg are in an additional repo! ( https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash )
[18:03] <oysteins> madLyfe: Indeed …
[18:05] <madLyfe> is the flatpack repo that was added in discover supposed to show up in 'software sources'?
[18:07] <claw22000> Hello all
[18:09] <claw22000> Is anyone available to help with a odd problem?  I'm having a problem after installing the required graphics drivers for and AMD RX 480.  After the drivers are in the 1080P TV will no longer work.  I also have 2 monitors hooked up and those work fine.  I can't find anything on google about his issue. Any suggestions?
[19:29] <tomreyn> hi. i'm looking at https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ which states, for Kubuntu 14.04.5 LTS, that it is "supported with security and maintenance updates, until April 2019".
[19:30] <tomreyn> this would be a 5 year support policy, but ihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases states that "Long term support (LTS) releases are supported for 5 years, except for flavors, which are supported for 3 years."
[19:31] <tomreyn> the word 'flavors' there points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFlavors - which lists Kubuntu as a flavor.
[19:31] <tomreyn> This would suggest a 3 year support policy.
[19:32] <tomreyn> I would expect that "ubuntu-support-status", when run on 14.04.5 LTS, would second / confirm the latter.
[19:32] <tomreyn> which one is correct?
[19:37] <mparillo_> IIRC, when 16.04 was released, the Kubuntu team agreed to reduce the security support from five to three years. That is why 16.04 and 14.04 show the same end-of-life.
[20:05] <valorie> tomreyn: we used to consider ourselves the equals of Ubuntu since some of our staff were full-time paid folk
[20:05] <valorie> that is no longer the case
[20:12] <tomreyn> valorie, mparillo_: apparently there were (or are?) different perspectives on this (non irrelevant) question, resulting in kubuntu 14.04 not receiving security support for the past ~1 year (for the kde part), and maybe for its (or rather the non-main or some of the non-kde parts of this flavor) remaining lifetime
[20:57] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> @nggraham, But if you use the CLI in stock Kubuntu 18.04 it should be just fine, right?
[20:59] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> sure, you can use the CLI to install snaps with greater reliability
[21:00] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> I was just talking about Discover, the GUI tool
[21:01] <OvermindDL1> Is there a way to play a system sound effect from the command line, via dbus or so?  I can't find the dbus path if it is there...
[21:02] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> @nggraham, I am a great fan of plasma, but discover even in 18.04 drives me up the walls. It was even a reason for not recommending Kubuntu to family members (until I figured out that I could install other package managers). Do you know if newer and better versions of discover are going to be backported to 18.04?
[21:09] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> I understand, and I even agree. If it's any consolation, the 5.13 version is much better, and the 5.14 version will be even better
[21:09] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> but those are tied to their respective Plasma releases and won't go to Kubnutu 18.04 until and unless the backports PPA offers 5.13 and beyond
[21:10] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> What are your biggest problems? Just stability? UI? ...everything?
[21:12] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> I can deal with everything except that sometimes just does nit show correct search results.
[21:13] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> As far as I know the ppa will offer only LTS versions of Plasma for LTS versions of Ubuntu.
[21:14] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> 5.13 is planned, it's just held up because it requires a newer Qt, which is a can of worms to offer via a PPA
[21:14] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> so it's bad search results?
[21:14] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> I would love to have a ppa that only delivers the last point releases of each plasma version.
[21:14] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> Does that exist?
[21:14] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> @nggraham, Yes
[21:16] <valorie> tomreyn: I
[21:16] <valorie> asking about the issue in -devel chan
[21:16] <IrcsomeBot> <Phil Linux> @nggraham, Stock Kubuntu 18.04. Snap and flatpak backend activated.
[21:16] <valorie> we'll see what the answer is
[21:16] <tomreyn> valorie: we discussed it in #ubuntu-hardened before
[21:18] <valorie> aha, we are still providing security updates
[21:18] <tomreyn> valorie: who does?
[21:19] <valorie> Simon Quigley said so
[21:20] <tomreyn> valorie: it wasn't my impression that this was the security teams' policy / take for the past year. maybe it will be for the coming year, not sure.
[21:20] <valorie> it is possible that we've been missing some things
[21:21] <valorie> it would be good if bugs were filed about those so we can pick them back up
[21:21] <tomreyn> that's what ubuntu has a cve tracker for.
[21:21] <valorie> we no longer support for 5 years, but we should back up what the previous team said we would do
[21:21] <valorie> Simon has been pretty excellent about doing those CVEs
[21:22] <tomreyn> well either you do what you state you do on your website, or you don't, in which case the website should probbaly be changed, and the users notified.
[21:23] <valorie> right
[21:23] <tomreyn> where 'you' = the kubuntu team (if it exists, sorry, i'm not exactly into the organizational structures)
[21:23] <valorie> this discussion should possibly be in #kubuntu-devel
[21:23] <valorie> I'm the release manager and not a coder or packager so I don't directly do these things
[21:24] <tomreyn> my involvement ends here. i pointed it out as much as i could, now we'll see what happens, if anything.
[21:24] <tomreyn> (i can file a bug if needed to track the issue.)
[21:26] <valorie> please file a bug
[21:26] <valorie> it's the best way to keep track of things
[21:28] <tomreyn> valorie: against what?
[21:28] <valorie> the CVEs that have not been addressed by us
[22:10] <tomreyn> i mean against which package. i'm happy to file 'a' bug, not hundreds ;)
[22:11] <tomreyn> valorie: ^. btw. i caught up on the -devel log.
[22:11] <valorie> cool
[22:12] <valorie> well filing against one and linking to the cve tracker for more would be appropriate
[22:12] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> he is asking what package he should file it under, though
[22:13] <IrcsomeBot> <nggraham> whatever the answer is, please paste the link here after you file it :)
[22:15] <krytarik> I'd go with 'kubuntu-meta'
[22:17] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarcho Taoist> @nggraham, Any idea when Discover will be updated in Kubuntu? Most updates freeze on me. I have to use the terminal and force kill Discover to close it.
[22:19] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @Anarcho Taoist, 5.12.7 bugfix is due for release by KDE end of sept
[22:28] <tomreyn> sorry, i'm not going to look up all the cves which may apply.
[22:28] <tomreyn> (i never meant to offer that in the first place)
[23:09] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarcho Taoist> @acheronuk, 👍 Great! Thanks