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jameshrobert_ancell: are there any plans to backport newer versions of snapd-glib to xenial?02:27
robert_ancelljamesh, I haven't bothered since gnome-software doesn't use it. It would be a pain to get through the SRU process.02:28
robert_ancellIs there something that needs it?02:28
jameshrobert_ancell: I was working on a backport of the pulseaudio snap policy module, and ran into problems with me missing a snapd_client_connect_sync() call02:29
jameshrobert_ancell: my first thought was to just add that call and treat that as the end of it, but then I was wondering what happens if snapd is restarted during the user session?02:29
robert_ancelljamesh, certainly it would be better to go straight to 1.43 - want to do the paperwork?02:30
jameshit looks like the automatic reconnect behaviour came with the deprecation of connect()02:30
robert_ancellyeah02:30
robert_ancellit did02:30
jameshrobert_ancell: I'll check with Ken when he gets back.  See whether it is worth pursuing the pulse backport02:31
robert_ancelljamesh, the other option is to put snapd-glib (or part of it) in the pulse patch.02:31
jameshrobert_ancell: by the way, I updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/pull/40 based on your feedback -- I'm still not sure whether it is worth merging in its current form, or whether to look at improving the snapd API first02:47
gitbotsnapcore issue (Pull request) 40 in snapd-glib "WIP: Add support for the "interface info" mode of the /v2/interfaces API" [Open]02:47
didrocksgood morning06:24
dufluHi didrocks06:46
didrockshey duflu06:46
tsimonq2Hey didrocks and duflu06:55
dufluHi tsimonq206:55
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:08
Nafallomorning07:12
didrockshey tsimonq2, oSoMoN, Nafallo07:14
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tsimonq2Hey oSoMoN and Nafallo07:14
oSoMoNhey Nafallo, didrocks, tsimonq207:14
jibelTrevinho, hey, in bug 1789421, what do you want to know exactly?07:48
ubot5bug 1789421 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "No theme in ubiquity-dm: Error: No valid stylesheet found for 'ubuntu.css'" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178942107:48
willcookeMorning all!07:59
didrockshey willcooke08:00
oSoMoNgood morning willcooke08:07
dufluMorning oSoMoN, Nafallo, jibel, willcooke08:08
oSoMoNhey duflu08:08
seb128good morning desktoper08:09
seb128a bit later on IRC, our internet is down, I worked a bit offline but it's not coming back so I had to relocate08:10
didrockssalut seb128 !08:11
seb128lut didrocks;, en forme ?08:11
didrocksseb128: ça va, et toi ?08:11
seb128ça va bien !08:11
didrocksjibel: ubuntu-report 1.3.0 just uploaded to cosmic. Do you want to give a round of testing before I SRU it for bionic? Also, do you prefer me or you turning bug #1786432 and bug #1784383 as a SRU bug?08:19
ubot5bug 1786432 in ubuntu-report (Ubuntu) "Collect DCD file " [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178643208:19
ubot5bug 1784383 in ubuntu-report (Ubuntu) "Collect number of disks and disk size" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178438308:19
jibeldidrocks, go straight to the sru and I'll do the verification08:21
didrocksjibel: sounds good, and for the bugs? If you don't have time, I can turn them as SRU08:22
jibeldidrocks, you know the code and the potential regression. I can document the test case if you need to08:22
didrocksthat's fine, let me handle them completely08:23
seb128Trevinho, hey, for your ubiquity question, grepping the source would have give you the answer no?08:27
seb128the ubiquity mode in data has " "stylesheetName": "ubuntu.css"," yes08:27
seb128does that need to be changed to be yaru?08:28
didrocksYaru/gnome-shell.css08:28
seb128seems like "yes" :)08:29
didrocksyep :)08:29
seb128I wonder if we should have kept a symlink name ubuntu.css for compat08:29
seb128rather than having to chase down mentions like that08:29
didrockshum, I didn't think about ubiquity, but only the mode mentionning it08:29
didrocksthe rest should use the mode directly08:29
didrockswhich didn't change and is still named ubuntu08:29
seb128k, well a one line patch then08:30
didrocks(I changed the reference to the new stylesheet there)08:30
seb128no big deal :)08:30
didrockssorry, didn't think about the ubiquity-dm mode :/08:30
seb128no worry, it's minor08:30
jameshDid Debian suddenly decide that /usr/libexec actually makes sense again?10:24
seb128jamesh, ?10:24
jameshseb128: just noticed I've got files in /usr/libexec from xdg-desktop-portal and flatpak10:25
seb128likely a packaging bug10:25
jameshboth the same package maintainer, so I was wondering if it is a policy change or an activist packager10:25
seb128or those are special situations and need those for some reason10:25
seb128like the flatpak expect those locations to exist or something10:26
jameshseb128: they weren't using those locations in bionic10:26
jameshchangelog says "* Put helper binaries in /usr/libexec as allowed by FHS 3.0"10:26
jameshI'm not complaining: I think /usr/libexec makes a lot of sense10:27
seb128ah10:27
seb128jamesh, https://salsa.debian.org/debian/flatpak/commit/0992962210:27
seb128right10:27
ahayzenFWIW I've seen smcv changing the paths to libexec in flatpak and ostree as well, i think it must be a policy he is now doing to all his packages10:27
seb128I don't have an opinion on the topic10:28
seb128it's a bit suboptimal to have things non consistant though10:28
jameshwell, /usr/libexec is consistent with almost every other distribution :-)10:28
seb128I don't know why Debian didn't use it before, I guess FHS didn't include it10:32
seb128at the same time I don't think anyone out of packagers care about those details10:32
seb128it's not like it was visible to users or making any difference10:33
jameshYeah.  I believe Debian's decision to reorganise every package was due to libexec being excluded from FHS < 310:34
jamesh(which I think came down to the opinion of the spec author rather than a reflection of how software generally installed10:35
seb128well Debian doesn't "reorganise", libexecdir has been a standard configure option10:37
seb128it's not like they were force moving something which was meant to be in another location10:38
jameshreorganise as in "change the default"10:38
seb128it's amazing that people do care about that10:39
seb128but seems you do :p10:39
jameshI only noticed because I was responding to a review that queried the location of an executable10:40
jameshwas going to explain that is found in different locations on different distros due to that policy, and then found the executable was back in libexec on cosmic :)10:41
jameshwhich was a surprise10:41
dufluNight11:07
jameshLooks like we might see more libexec changes as time goes by.  The debian-policy manual was updated: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=78781611:10
ubot5Debian bug 787816 in debian-policy "Replace FHS 2.3 by FHS 3.0 in the Policy." [Normal,Fixed]11:10
seb128jbicha, should we sync the new webkit2gtk revision from debian? you follow webkitgtk more than I do :)11:18
seb128didrocks, saw https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-cosmic/cosmic/armhf/u/ubuntu-report/20180830_085747_1a6b1@/log.gz ?11:22
didrocksseb128: no, I didn't check autopkgtest yet. Thanks for noticing! This test isn't new, I wonder what have changed in cosmic…11:28
seb128didrocks, could be flackyness, we can retry in case, it worked on other archs...11:28
didrocksseb128: interesting that those strings manipulation could be flaky, but yeah, let's retry for now11:29
seb128didrocks, yeah, I mentioned it since we don't get proper notificaiton for autopkgtest issues (we do now for "stuck in proposed", but having direct email on failures like for builds would be nice, though it could be a bit noisy)11:29
seb128k, doing that11:29
didrocksthx!11:29
didrocksseb128: right, TBH, as the same tests are ran during build, I didn't think of checking autopkgtests for this one11:30
seb128I was just look at http://people.canonical.com/~mwh/team-summary.html11:30
seb128which is nice/interesting11:30
seb128I think we want that info on version11:30
didrocksoh nice!11:30
didrocksI didn't know about that one11:30
didrocksyes11:30
seb128or in a dashboard11:31
seb128it's new11:31
seb128was just being mentioned on #ubuntu-devel11:31
seb128so I looked and saw ubuntu-report it in ;)11:31
didrocksah, I didn't miss the memo then! :)11:31
didrockshehe11:31
didrocksemacs is part of our set11:34
didrocksI'm sure it's due to seb128 :)11:34
seb128haha11:35
didrocksinteresting, your retry passed (when I looked at the "running" page), but it's not listed yet on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/ubuntu-report/cosmic/armhf11:41
seb128I don't know how often those update11:42
didrocksand I don't see it either on the "recent test runs" part11:42
didrocksit restarted? :(11:43
didrockshttp://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-ubuntu-report11:43
didrockswas running for 8 minutes, last test pass11:43
didrocksand disappeared11:43
seb128weird11:43
seb128that service still feels a bit flacky :/11:44
didrocksyeah…11:44
didrocksok, passed now11:57
didrocksI have really *no11:57
didrocksidea on how this could be racy though11:57
didrocksand seeing the number of runs on armhf, it's not that racy at least: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/ubuntu-report/cosmic/armhf11:57
didrocksso, I guess for the SRU, I would use 1.3.0~18.04 for versionning11:59
didrocksthat should make tsimonq2 happy :p11:59
jbichaseb128: not yet, that webkit2gtk version doesn't build on some arches12:01
seb128k12:01
seb128didrocks, :)12:01
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ograhmm, does gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders actually require DISPLAY to be set ? (i'm trying to roll a snap without desktop-launcher and run gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders from an install hook instead ... but the file it produces is not listing anything but the header)12:07
jameshogra: it shouldn't.  It runs fine from .deb postinst scripts12:09
ograthats what i thought ... very weird12:09
ograthe .gdk-pixbuf-loaders.cache it produces actually shows the correct LoaderDir in the header comment ... but nothing more12:10
ograso it even looked in the correct dir12:10
willcookeCan someone remind me of the file I need to delete to make g-i-s appear again?12:14
willcookeah, .config/12:14
didrocksyeap gnome-initial-setup-done ;)12:15
willcookegnome-initial-setup-done12:15
willcookethanks didrocks12:15
didrockswe should discuss about ubuntu-report and g-i-s btw12:15
didrockswhat about people upgrading? Right now, as g-i-s doesn't show up (due to that flag), there will be no ugprade report12:15
didrocksubuntu-report supports per-release uploads12:15
willcookedidrocks, oh, like for 18.04 -> 18.10?12:16
didrocksthe question is what to do with g-i-s12:16
didrocksyep12:16
willcookeinteresting12:16
willcookeOn the one hand, we shouldnt spam the user.  On the otherhand, we might have added some nice new stuff12:16
jbichaseb128: in case you didn't get notifiations about build failures: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=libdazzle&suite=experimental12:16
didrockswillcooke: yeah, it would be great if the g-i-s introduced really "what's new" in one screen12:16
didrocksand it will be an opportunity to reask for livepatch, report, snaps…12:17
seb128jbicha, I didn't, are those supposed to be unmailed?12:17
willcookeandyrock, g-i-s hides the livepatch panel if LP is already on right?  Is there a way to trick it in to showing it to me again?12:17
willcookemaybe a VM is a quicker solution here12:17
didrocksbut yeah, otherwise, we won't have any metrics as think people are running bionic when they upgraded to cosmic12:17
willcookedidrocks, interesting problem.  No quick answers I can think of.  Could you add it to the Brussels list?12:18
jbichaseb128: I think they're mailed to the "Maintainer" but you can use tracker.debian.org to subscribe to specific packages or an entire team like https://tracker.debian.org/teams/debian-gnome-team/12:18
didrockswillcooke: wouldn't Brussels be late? but sure, can add12:18
seb128jbicha, thx12:18
jbichahttps://tracker.debian.org/accounts/subscriptions/ lets you pick what kind of emails to get (build is what you'd want here) for subscribed packages12:19
willcookedidrocks, oh yikes, good point12:20
willcookedidrocks, off the top of my head, showing it again (i.e. removing the flag file) is probably ok.12:21
didrocksmaybe discussing that next week's meeting?12:21
didrocksI'm still adding a point for Brussels12:21
willcookedidrocks, +1 for the meeting12:22
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seb128hum, isp website says they fixed the issue, i'm trying to go back to see if it's true :)12:58
cyphermoxhey13:20
willcookehey cyphermox13:20
cyphermoxI have some questsions about the new theme13:20
cyphermoxI thought it maybe was just how it was, but it's bugging me a bit ;)13:21
cyphermoxis it on purpose that say, the login screen is purple, rather than aubergine?13:21
didrockscyphermox: yes, that's a design decision from the yaru team13:21
didrockscyphermox: you can get in touch with them on the community hub13:22
didrocksthis is where the community has some inputs :)13:22
cyphermoxmmkay13:22
cyphermoxthat's kind of a weird departure from the branding ;)13:22
didrocksmention that to them?13:22
cyphermoxcommunity hub?13:22
didrocksyep13:22
didrocksthe particular post is linked to any of my blog post :)13:23
cyphermoxok13:23
cyphermoxreading blog is certainly going to depart from reading UEFI code ;)13:23
cyphermoxheh, since it's community driven I won't complain. You say it's widely liked13:25
jbichadidrocks: did you see there are some bugs in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaru-theme ?13:26
didrockscyphermox: you can still raise this13:30
didrocksjbicha: hum, just looking at them13:30
didrocksjbicha: if you want them to debian, this will make our upload workflow slower13:30
didrocksI don't have upload rights, TBH, and don't have a desktop debian system to test it there13:30
didrocksnothing prevents someone interested to backport it to debian?13:31
jbichawhy do you need to test it on Debian? (I'm sort of serious)13:31
didrocksjbicha: I (and IIRC, I wasn't alone) was told that "if you want to upload to Debian, test it on a Debian system"13:33
didrockswhich makes sense, but not something I have time for13:33
oSoMoNseb128, LO 6.1.1 hasn't actually been released, what's in debian is RC1 (see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/6.1#6.1.1_release)13:33
jbichaDon't tell Debian, but I don't specifically test most of my uploads on Debian (unless they are things like new gnome-shell versions where we diverge enough)13:34
jbichaI'd wait for someone to report bugs because generally there shouldn't really be a difference between Debian & Ubuntu here except that a Debian user will have to manually choose the Yaru themes13:35
jbichaI think becoming a Debian Maintainer is relatively easy, and Seb and Laney would appreciate more people being able to upload stuff there13:35
jbichaDebian Developer is the tough one that requires multiple interviews via email or whatever (so it takes months usually)13:36
didrocksjbicha: right, if I can get time to become a DM, why not13:37
jbichaI remember DM as "is your key signed by a DD" and does a DD vouch for you? ok, have fun :)13:37
didrocksbut not beforehand for sure13:37
jbichait may take a few weeks for processing but it's not much work on your part13:38
didrocksjbicha: if you have pointers, maybe could do in a few weeks13:38
jbichaDebian updates their keyring about every 4 weeks which is the biggest delay13:38
jbichahttps://nm.debian.org/wizard/13:38
didrocksSince Alioth has been shut down, account registration is disabled, unafortunately that means sso.debian.org accounts cannot be created by users anymore. If an account is needed create a ticket in the SSO RT queue either by emailing mailto:sso@rt.debian.org (the email needs to include the string "Debian RT" in subject) or via RT webfrontend. Please include reasoning for your new account. This has been13:39
didrocksannounced at Debian devel mailing lists13:39
didrockspainful :/13:39
jbichahmm, ok I'll look into that13:40
didrocksthx!13:40
didrocksjbicha: oh unrelated, did you see that the volume override is finally merged?13:40
didrocksI know there is a code freeze, unsure how much you want to fight for that in this Tweaks release13:41
didrocksI don't remember, the PR was still up IIRC?13:41
didrocksMP*13:41
oSoMoNhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#libreoffice seems to indicate that binary package libreoffice-kde4 needs to be deleted, how do I do/request that?13:50
oSoMoNhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#Removals13:51
oSoMoNI guess I need a core dev to do that on my behalf13:51
oSoMoNkenvandine[m], can you help there? ^13:52
seb128oSoMoN, versions disagrees with that statement :)13:53
seb128oSoMoN, http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/src/6.1.1/ exists and has tarballs13:54
oSoMoNseb128, yes, but that looks like an error on upstream's part to me, there's almost always two RCs before a minor update13:55
seb128oSoMoN, k, anyway no big deal13:56
oSoMoNand https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/ doesn't list 6.1.113:56
seb128oSoMoN, what's that kde4 thing?13:58
seb128oh on s390x13:59
seb128and others, can't read13:59
seb128the kde5 depends issue do you know what that is?13:59
seb128it's also blocked by poppler & glib13:59
seb128oSoMoN, did you stop building that binary on purpose? did you check if there are remaining rdepends?14:00
seb128oSoMoN, also next time it would be nice to have a full changelog on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.1.0-0ubuntu1 I bet there are most changes that those 3 bullet point, maybe a -v to incude extra entries?14:01
oSoMoNseb128, no I don't know what that kde5 depends issue is, the version requirements seem to be fulfilled (and I verified that it can be installed cleanly)14:01
oSoMoNyou're right, I should have made the changelog more verbose14:02
oSoMoNthere are no remaining rdepends, so it's safe to remove libreoffice-kde414:02
seb128oSoMoN, done for -kde14:09
oSoMoNseb128, thanks14:11
seb128oSoMoN, the kio thing is because the new binary got NEWed to main and those kde packages are in universe, that looks like an error, I'm moving it back to universe14:12
seb128oSoMoN, done as well14:13
seb128oSoMoN, hopefully next update it's listing only glibc/poppler which are known transitions and not yours to solve :)14:13
oSoMoNgreat, thanks for your help!14:14
seb128np!14:15
seb128oSoMoN, the -l10n autopkgtest is unhappy on armhf, https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-cosmic/cosmic/armhf/libr/libreoffice/20180829_171705_52190@/log.gz14:19
seb128oSoMoN, I'm going to retry in case that's enough14:19
oSoMoNack, thanks14:21
seb128[fwl.SubstituteVariables::com::sun::star::util::XStringSubstitution] is testcode: [ifc.util._XStringSubstitution] - COMPLETED.FAILED14:23
seb128was the issue in that log14:23
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ograwow, inflation of colons ...14:46
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seb128k, I got the git merge requests listed on version ;)15:46
seb128going to make Trevinho happy, his changes are on top of http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/desktop-packages.html now15:46
Trevinhoseb128: <3 :-D15:57
Trevinhoseb128: for glib it mentions the MP for bionic though, not sure you can filter that15:58
Trevinhoanyway nice to have the PRs listed too :)15:59
Trevinhodidrocks: shell side is updated, I took a bit more as we had some ping-pong on upstreameable fixes with Florian16:01
didrocksTrevinho: nice! I will give another round of review on Monday (as tomorrow I'm off and near EOD)16:04
didrocksunless someone else beats me to it16:04
Trevinhoseb128: in https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-desktop-versions/trunk/view/head:/versions.py#L93 there are a few more: https://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-desktop-team/+git/ubuntu-desktop-gbp-importer/tree/projects-mapping.source#n1216:04
Trevinhodidrocks: ok thanks for what you did anyway so far :)16:05
didrocksyw! ;)16:05
* oSoMoN calls it a day, have a good evening everyone!16:10
seb128Trevinho, k, feel free to mp changes :)16:14
* Trevinho lazy :-D16:14
seb128Trevinho, though your table are diff upstream/debian not debian/ubuntu16:15
seb128our gdm source is gdm3 for example16:15
Trevinhodebian_aliases I'm saying16:15
Trevinhoseb128: nm, I think they're basically the same16:15
Trevinhogtk isn't also?16:16
Trevinhonope is the same... weird as the salsa basename project is not matching there then16:17
Trevinhonm then16:17
seb128yeah, Debian used the upstream vcs names and we sticke to name them as our sources as name16:21
seb128named16:21
seb128on that note calling it a day16:23
seb128have a nice evening desktopers!16:23
jbichaTrevinho: sorry about the confusing repo names in Debian (gdm for instance). When I did that, I wasn't thinking about Launchpad repo organization at all16:40
jbichawe could rename the gdm3 source package to gdm in Debian, but that's a pretty low priority16:40
jbichasee https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome/Git#Packages_named_differently_from_their_git_repos16:42
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willcookenight all17:19

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