[00:00] <Yezigu> alright,but it is really simple 0_0!
[00:12] <designbybeck> Gnome 18.04... In Blender I need to press Alt+Shift+LMB, to do a ring select, but Gnome pulls up the Windows Alt menu. Anyway to fix this?
[00:16] <guiverc> designbybeck, i don't know blender, but super to get menu, then 'keyboard' (in settings, shortcuts) pulls up the short cuts for gnome - you could change there possibly.. (I've never used it so can't advise further)
[00:17] <guiverc> designbybeck, out of interest, what is LMB?
[00:22] <designbybeck> guiverc, Left Mouse Button
[00:22] <designbybeck> RMB Right Mouse Button, MMB Middle Mouse button
[00:23] <designbybeck> guiverc, not everyone uses that term, but I have seen it in a enough places to use it
[00:25] <cluelesshelp> hi there
[00:25] <cluelesshelp> I was upgrading ubuntu, and I think the machine power had an outage, screwing up the bootloader install/update
[00:26] <designbybeck> guiverc, it is actually alt+shift+RMB... which Alt+RMB pulls up the window menu...but alt space is suppose to as well...so not sure
[00:26] <cluelesshelp> I believe I need to run grub on the luks partition somehow
[00:26] <cluelesshelp> can someone help me figure out how
[00:26] <cluelesshelp> ?
[00:29] <skinux> I'm having a hell of a time figuring out this version conflit.
[00:29] <skinux> https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/de5512adb4ec5695597297db33985914
[00:30] <skinux> I can't seem to find them to uninstall them either
[00:30] <guiverc> designbybeck, i'm running gnome now, but i'm usually using xfce so I'm not very familiar with gnome or shortcuts sorry, and have never used blender.  (I would never have guessed left-mouse-button!)
[00:31] <designbybeck> guiverc, I did fix it by going back to superkey as the action key instead of Alt...meaning I have to use superkey to move windows around instead of alt, but this fixes my Blender issue!
[00:31] <designbybeck> So I guess I'll go with that for now
[00:32] <guiverc> skinux, your paste means nothing to me.  4? 5?  there are no packages named 4? or 5? or even qt4-x86_64-linux-gnu?  you should explain your problem more for help.
[00:33] <guiverc> :) designbybeck
[00:37] <cluelesshelp_> back
[00:38]  * cluelesshelp_ is examining cryptsetup
[00:43] <guiverc> skinux, we can provide more help if you paste the full command & output from your command.  qt4 was used by Kubuntu 14.04 LTS, qt5 is used by 16.04 LTS & 18.04 LTS, but some apps may use older libraries (ie. a program on 16.04 could use Qt4 still as it wasn't updated, so you have qt4 & qt5 libs on your machine at the same time)
[00:44] <database> configure: error: qemu, coreboot and loongson ports need unifont
[00:45] <leftyfb> database: gonna need a lot more than that
[00:46] <database> leftyfb: what i need ?
[00:46] <leftyfb> database: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[00:46] <database> leftyfb: 18.04 minimal
[00:46] <leftyfb> database: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[00:47] <database> leftyfb: building coreboot and grub is payload
[00:48] <leftyfb> database: why not use the grub-coreboot package that is available in package form in ubuntu?
[00:50] <database> leftyfb: because i don't know about that
[00:50] <leftyfb> database: sudo apt install coreboot-grub
[00:51] <leftyfb> database: apt-cache search coreboot # will give you the list of careboot related packages
[00:51] <database> leftyfb: will coreboot-grub create coreboot.rom file
[00:52] <leftyfb> database: Since I've never used coreboot, I don't know for sure. i'm going to guess the grub-coreboot-bin package might contain the binaries you would use to do that
[00:55] <database> leftyfb: i want boot qemu using coreboot as seebios is working well but grub is not and i want to study it therefor i need to to build it from source and if coreboot-grub package will contain binaries then it will be of no help
[00:55] <leftyfb> database: grub-firmware-qemu
[00:56] <leftyfb> database: I don't think you need to build from source. I'm pretty sure one or more of the packages available in ubuntu will do exactly what you want
[00:57] <ghostnik11> hey wanted to get a quick opinion on the matter of reducing the swap size.  Is it bad for me to do it? i have a baytrail cpu and 2gb of ram. my hard disk size is 32gb but after a fresh install with nothing really installed i have: a total of 28gb with 20.6gb being free space. i wanted to know if it would be better to reduce swap size to lets say 10 since by default it is at 60? and if so will it slow down the performance of m
[00:57] <cluelesshelp> Ubuntu 18 seems atrociously slow
[00:58] <herbmillerjr> 60 what?
[00:58] <cluelesshelp> cannot connect to wifi because the settings window freezes and hangs
[00:58] <database> cluelesshelp: right
[00:58] <cluelesshelp> database: right what?
[00:58] <database> cluelesshelp: 18 is slow
[00:58] <cluelesshelp> why though
[01:00] <blackflow> ghostnik11: with 2GB of RAM, with today's software, I'd stick at least 2GB of swap to that. You say 32G of hdd? what's that, an early ssd?
[01:00] <database> because it freez sometimes
[01:00] <leftyfb> cluelesshelp: check to make sure you're using the proper video drivers
[01:01] <cluelesshelp> leftyfb: okay, but I cannot through the GUI because it's hangs.
[01:01] <cluelesshelp> or it takes 60 seconds to load
[01:01] <cluelesshelp> stopped hanging
[01:02] <cluelesshelp> brb
[01:03] <database> leftyfb: got solution for  me?
[01:03] <leftyfb> database: for which problem?
[01:05] <database> leftyfb: configure: error: qemu, coreboot and loongson ports need unifont this one
[01:06] <leftyfb> database: read the documentation on coreboot and use the packages available in ubuntu
[01:07] <database> leftyfb: freetype2 package contains unifont
[01:08] <database> leftyfb: there is no documentation about grub on coreboot
[01:09] <leftyfb> database: false: first result on google for "grub coreboot". You should look for answers before stating they don't exist: https://www.coreboot.org/GRUB2
[01:13] <database> leftyfb: i mean there is nothing about unicode related problem
[01:14] <navy_seal9614> Hi guys, I have some troubles with sleep/wake-up on my PC with gnome 3.28 on
[01:14] <navy_seal9614> Ubuntu 18.04. Basically when I lock my screen, after some time monitors (two
[01:14] <navy_seal9614> of them) turn off, backlight on keyboard and mouse works, PC and fans all
[01:15] <navy_seal9614> running, so it is not suspended. The system becomes completely unresponsive:
[01:15] <leftyfb> database: the issue you are running into has to do with trying to compile coreboot. Stop. You do not need to compile it. Go read the documentation on coreboot and figure out which PACKAGES you need to install in order to use the binaries to accomplish your goal
[01:15] <navy_seal9614> clicking mouse buttons, pressing keyboard keys and pressing power button does
[01:15] <navy_seal9614> not wake up system. I also notice keyboard itself becomes unresponsive as pressing capslock doesnt lit up an led. This happens on both X11 and Wayland.
[01:15] <leftyfb> !enter | navy_seal9614
[01:16] <database> leftby: okay thanks
[01:23] <Delvien> remind me because i havent upgraded releases in a long time... whats the command for it? (via terminal)
[01:24] <Delvien> nevermind... idk why they changed it, do-release-upgrade is the answer
[01:24] <Sven_vB> I'm trying to construct the byte sequence used as argument for TIOCSWINSZ in bash, so I can use it as CLI arg for socat. how can I check whether I need little endian or big endian?
[01:25] <Sven_vB> on my machine I need little endian, but is there a way to query the system?
[01:30] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: lscpu | grep "Byte Order"    # first result on google
[01:31] <Sven_vB> oh yeah, sorry. of course it has to match the CPU.
[01:31] <qwebirc89260> Help
[01:31] <qwebirc89260> I install Ubuntu Core on Pi2
[01:31] <qwebirc89260> I am unable to login
[01:32] <Sven_vB> qwebirc89260, do you receive the login prompt?
[01:32] <qwebirc89260> I enter the UserName but it will not accept the password
[01:32] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: you should read the documentation: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/iot/raspberry-pi-2-3
[01:32] <qwebirc89260> I did
[01:33] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: what username are you entering?
[01:33] <qwebirc89260> Blank password.  UbuntuOne password
[01:33] <qwebirc89260> nothing works
[01:33] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: you should read the documentation: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/iot/raspberry-pi-2-3
[01:33] <qwebirc89260> I tired me UbuntuOne email address
[01:34] <qwebirc89260> and the user name on UbuntuOne
[01:34] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: Are you logged in on the console or trying via ssh?
[01:35] <qwebirc89260> Yes
[01:35] <qwebirc89260> yes
[01:35] <leftyfb> which one?
[01:35] <qwebirc89260> Ubuntu One
[01:35] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: Are you logged in on the console or trying via ssh?
[01:35] <qwebirc89260> Yes
[01:36] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: let me ask you. Why are you trying to install Ubuntu Core onto your pi?
[01:36] <qwebirc89260> It is already installed
[01:36] <qwebirc89260> I cannot log onto it
[01:36] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: ok, why do you want ubuntu core on your pi?
[01:36] <qwebirc89260> I grabbed the public key
[01:37] <qwebirc89260> from the ubunto one site
[01:37] <qwebirc89260> and that is as far as I have gotton
[01:37] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: WHY do you want ubuntu core on your pi? Do you know what Ubuntu core is or how to use it?
[01:38] <qwebirc89260> I currently use Pi as my edge router and for running minor apps on my network
[01:38] <qwebirc89260> I am trying to learn what Ubuntu Core can do for me
[01:39] <Bashing-om> qwebirc89260: More learning what ubuntu can do for you : http://techgenix.com/minimal-ubuntu-for-cloud/ .
[01:39] <qwebirc95856> Hey there I am trying to install ubuntu server from a usb stick but when I boot from the stick, it shows me a purple screen then shows a boot up with white text with an offwhite background then dumping me into an all white installer which cant get passed the network setup phase. I have no idea what is going on.
[01:39] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: I think you need to take more time to carefully read all the documentation on ubuntu core and snappy as you possibly can. You aren't going to get anywhere with it (as you can tell) without WAY more understanding of what it is and how to deal with it. It's not a typical ubuntu/linux installation
[01:40] <qwebirc89260> That I understand now
[01:41] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: also, #snappy might be better suited for your support needs for snappy/ubuntu core
[01:42] <qwebirc95856> Ok I fixed the display issue now I just have to contend with the network
[01:42] <qwebirc89260> thanks
[01:54] <craig_> I've got the sound window open, and see the VU meter moving when I strum a guitar. I hear sound in my phones when I hit the test button (woman's voice saying front left and front right) but I don't hear the guitar. What switch have I not flipped? I also went into alsamixer and unmuted everything
[01:56] <navy_seal9614> Hi guys, I have some troubles with sleep/wake-up on my PC (Ubuntu18.04/gnome3.28). Basically when I lock my screen, after some time monitors (two of them) turn off, backlight on keyboad and mouse works, PC itself is running. The system though becomes completely unresponsive. Pressing caps lock on keyboard the led doesnt light up.
[02:00] <craig_> In addition... I can record in Audacity (and not hear anything) but everything is good when I playback.
[02:01] <qwebirc95856> How do I configure a wifi password when setting up the network in the ubuntu server installer
[02:04] <craig_> Aha -- loopback was disabled.
[02:05] <craig_> Is there a way to fix that from the regular GUI tools, or is alsamixer always going ot be necesasry?
[02:05] <Bashing-om> craig_: :) thanks for sharing .
[02:06] <craig_> Bashing-om, do you know?
[02:06] <instantp10neer> I was told last night Ubuntu flavors are not maintained by Ubuntu.  Is that true for Budgie, MATE minimal or MATE?
[02:07] <Bashing-om> craig_: Sorry. No experience with sound issues .
[02:08] <instantp10neer> or "Vanilla GNOME Desktop?"
[02:08] <Bashing-om> !flavours | instantp10neer
[02:10] <instantp10neer> What is Vanilla GNOME?
[02:11] <instantp10neer> More to the point, which is the most lightweight?
[02:12] <instantp10neer> (of the options in Ubuntu mini.iso)
[02:28] <konrados> Hello! I just restarted my plasma with `kquitapp5 plasmashell && kstart plasmashell` in terminal, and now I'm wondering - can it put it in background with ctrl+z? From what I've just read, ctrl+z 'pauses' the process... but if it will pause 'plasma' process, I won't be able to do anything more in the gui, right?
[02:30] <qwebirc70374> Hello! I am installing ubuntu server how do I go about configuring my wifi during the setup process
[02:42] <leftyfb> qwebirc70374: you don't. You'll need to install wpasupplicant after the fact while connected to ethernet
[03:05] <Variedades> hola
[03:09] <jesus24d> alguien aqui
[03:11] <guiverc_d> !es | jesus24d
[03:11] <jesus24d> ok
[03:12] <jesus24d> gracias
[03:12] <yan_> hey! I'm rather new to linux and i am trying to set up a redundant raid1 to be bootable. I've tried a bunch of different things but I'm not really grasping all the concepts and whatever I've tried has failed miserably. Can anyone suggest where I can get some help?
[03:13] <Bashing-om> !raid | yan_
[03:23] <Mathuin> I am interested in adding Bluetooth to my desktop but I would like to purchase a device known to work with 18.04.1 -- is there a list anywhere?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth isn't much help.
[03:25] <instantp10neer> Does Lubuntu offer some type of safe vga run? I have scrambled video after poorly selecting display adapter options.
[03:28] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | instantp10neer
[03:28] <guiverc_d> instantp10neer, i'm not sure what you mean by safe vga run?  but adding 'nomodeset' may help on bootup, refer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters
[03:28] <instantp10neer> ty
[04:44] <netameta> Trying to install and run mongod, running into weird permission issues
[04:45] <netameta> when i run, sudo service mongod status, i get a activate: fail status
[04:45] <netameta> when i run mongod, comment i also get an error
[04:45] <netameta> however running mongod seem to ignore the config path of /var/lib/mongod, and uses /data/db
[05:00] <energizer> netameta: which version of ubuntu and mongo
[05:00] <netameta> 16.0.4, and 4.0.2
[05:01] <netameta> the directory /var/lib/mongodb or mongod doesnt exist, after creating and giving right permission it still doesnt work
[05:03] <energizer> netameta: try running it without `service`, just manually sudo mongod --config ...
[05:03] <netameta> I am not sure whats the whole commend
[05:04] <netameta> however running mongod alone also thorws an error
[05:04] <netameta> wait
[05:04] <netameta> sudo mongod
[05:04] <netameta> works
[05:04] <netameta> getting root user error
[05:04] <netameta> but it does work
[05:04] <energizer> ok
[05:05] <netameta> hmm and now /data/db is full of stuff
[05:05] <netameta> it was empty before
[05:05] <netameta> Ok. so now how to i run it as a serivce ?
[05:07] <energizer> service mongod will run it as user 'mongodb', which will fail to have permissions on /data/db and /var/lib/mongo*, so you can change the owner of those files to mongodb, or something. i dont know if that's the best solution, but it might work.
[05:07] <energizer> because your user or root will currently own them
[05:07] <netameta> I've tried chown, and chmod those folders to mongodb and 775
[05:08] <netameta> doesnt really do me any good though
[05:08] <energizer> like this? (again i dont know if this is ok) `sudo chown -R mongodb:mongodb /data/db`
[05:10] <netameta> Yaps
[05:10] <netameta> done that
[05:10] <netameta> on both folders
[05:10] <energizer> didnt work?
[05:10] <netameta> also did sudo chmod -755 ... to those 2 folders
[05:10] <netameta> Nope
[05:10] <netameta> did not work yet
[05:11] <energizer> maybe look in the journal or mongo log, or try sudo su mongodb && mongod ?
[05:13] <slyjester> Anyone encounter qemu failing to run postinstall script?
[05:14] <energizer> netameta: maybe trying with `sudo systemctl start mongod` instead of `service` (note the argument order is different) if that's available on 16.04 (i forget)
[05:16] <Squall5668> slyjester: not really. At which part?
[05:16] <slyjester> Setting up qemu-system-common (1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7.4)
[05:17] <slyjester> Going to try and add some print lines to the script to see where its hanging
[05:17] <Squall5668> which part of the script I mean. Just change to "set +e"
[05:17] <slyjester> Ah yeah thats probably way easier lol
[05:17] <Squall5668> :)
[05:17] <netameta> Failed to start status.service: Unit status.service not found. when systemctl start mongod
[05:18] <energizer> uh hm i dont remember how that works
[05:18] <netameta> will continue playing with this
[05:18] <energizer> netameta: its not too late to switch to postgres :)
[05:18] <netameta> Wait !
[05:19] <netameta> I have no idea what i've changed
[05:19] <netameta> but sudo service mongod start
[05:19] <netameta> now works
[05:19] <energizer> good
[05:19] <netameta> Not good
[05:19] <netameta> we dont know why lol
[05:19] <energizer> right, posgres
[05:19] <energizer> oh
[05:19] <energizer> yeah that too
[05:19] <netameta> I love posgres
[05:19] <netameta> but this project requires mongo
[05:20] <energizer> really? (we're off topic a bit, but im very curious) why?
[05:20] <netameta> why what ?
[05:20] <energizer> what is it about your project that makes mongo more appropriate than pg?
[05:21] <netameta> Ah i have no idea, its an existing project i am joining to now, that uses mongo
[05:21] <netameta> no idea yet whats the project about
[05:21] <netameta> but they have built it with mongo
[05:21] <energizer> oh i see
[05:21] <netameta> I think the fact i did sudo mongod, and create all the files in that folder now allow service mongod start  to work
[05:22] <netameta> Or maybe its, sudo systemctl enable mongod that i did
[05:22] <netameta> those were the only 2 commends i did since i last checked
[05:22] <netameta> I hate things that fixes themself out like that without learning the cause
[05:22] <energizer> that's why you check after every change :)
[05:23] <netameta> Either way, i dont like mongo as a DB generally but just have to use it is all
[05:23] <lurkashflake> I want to control my volume with a bar in a terminal, what is the sound server used in ubuntu 18.04?
[05:23] <netameta> Meanwhile, thanks for sticking with me energizer
[05:24] <slyjester> Squall5668, going to try to add some debug lines to see where its failing.
[05:24] <energizer> netameta: np, ive been through this particular issue a number of times myself, super frustrating to figure out by oneself :)
[05:24] <energizer> especially once the replicasets get involved...
[05:26] <slyjester> so it looks like its hanging on deb-systemd-invoke start 'qemu-kvm.service
[05:27] <cpaelzer> slyjester: I also ahve seen a askubuntu on that hanging, but it contains so few that could actually block
[05:27] <cpaelzer> slyjester: I'd be really happy to learn on what it hangs for you to get it fixed in the package
[05:27] <slyjester> it hangs on that command I posted
[05:28]  * cpaelzer is reading backlog
[05:28] <cpaelzer> slyjester: you mean "Setting up qemu-system-common (1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7.4)" ?
[05:28] <cpaelzer> that is only the info of the maintainer scripts
[05:29] <cpaelzer> we could make it more verbose thou and retry
[05:29] <slyjester> Yeah that is the step, and then within the script it specifically hangs on what looks like starting the service
[05:29] <cpaelzer> can I work with you to modify it for that or do you want to do that on your own?
[05:29] <guiverc> lurkashflake, pulse audio i believe
[05:29] <cpaelzer> it starts "/usr/share/qemu/init/qemu-kvm-init start"
[05:30] <cpaelzer> slyjester: add a "set -x" at the top and call that on your own maybe?
[05:30] <slyjester> Yeah let me try that
[05:30] <lurkashflake> guiverc thank you, also what is the command that echo the last keyboard key pressed?
[05:30] <slyjester> Yeah just telling me the same thing, hangs on starting qemu-kvm.service
[05:31] <slyjester> let me see what journalctl says
[05:31] <slyjester> just seems to hang at starting
[05:32] <cpaelzer> I'd expect some output like that http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qJj9t2FBbM/
[05:32] <cpaelzer> can you just run "sudo /usr/share/qemu/init/qemu-kvm-init start | pastebinit" ?
[05:33] <slyjester> yeah let me try
[05:36] <slyjester> cpaelzer, just hanging on that as well
[05:39] <cpaelzer> slyjester: coudl you post the link that the command above generates?
[05:39] <slyjester> it literally doesn't generate anything
[05:39] <cpaelzer> slyjester: are you on 18.10 or ?
[05:40] <cpaelzer> 2.11 I read, so you are on 18.04
[05:40] <slyjester> Yeah 18.04
[05:40] <cpaelzer> what is that for you "md5sum /usr/share/qemu/init/qemu-kvm-init"
[05:41] <cpaelzer> because the script just runs a few systemd-detect-virt and echo commands, that is why I wonder where it would hang
[05:41] <slyjester> 0006a3233c9788f19054471601af3ed6
[05:41] <cpaelzer> ok, that is right
[05:41] <cpaelzer> so I look at the same thing that is hanging for you ...
[05:41] <slyjester> Its the service that is hanging on startup
[05:44] <cpaelzer> slyjester: can you run these two commands please
[05:44] <cpaelzer> #1 make it verbose
[05:44] <cpaelzer> sudo sed -i -e 's/bin\/sh/bin\/sh -x/' /usr/share/qemu/init/qemu-kvm-init
[05:44] <cpaelzer> #2 run it with reporting to pastebin
[05:44] <cpaelzer> sudo /usr/share/qemu/init/qemu-kvm-init start 2>&1 | pastebinit
[05:44] <cpaelzer> and then report the link here?
[05:49] <database> how to upgrade glibc 2.23 to 2.27
[05:50] <cpaelzer> database: an upgrade from Xenial to Bionic should do just that, or do you "only" want to upgade glibc?
[05:50] <database> i want only to update glibc
[05:50] <cpaelzer> database: and you are on a system which is fine to break in case this goes wrong?
[05:51] <database> cpelzer: yes
[05:51] <cpaelzer> database: ok then change all "xenial" strings in /etc/apt/sources.list to "bionic"
[05:51] <cpaelzer> run "sudo apt update"
[05:51] <database> cpaelzer: okay
[05:52] <cpaelzer> then run "sudo apt install libc6:amd64=2.27-3ubuntu1
[05:52] <cpaelzer> that should mostly work, I haven't tried if there are minor modifications needed
[05:52] <cpaelzer> but that will make the bionic code available and instead of installing everything just upgrading libc
[05:52] <cpaelzer> at your own risk (tm)
[05:53] <cpaelzer> slyjester: did you have a chance to run the commands I asked for?
[05:53] <slyjester> cpaelzer, no good.
[05:53] <slyjester> Just hangs with no output
[05:53] <cpaelzer> even that hangs slyjester, that is odd++
[05:53] <cpaelzer> hrm
[05:53] <cpaelzer> what else could we do
[05:53] <slyjester> I might have to just reinstall
[05:53] <slyjester> I think something is severely broken
[05:53] <cpaelzer> yeah, but I'd really want to fix it in the package
[05:54] <cpaelzer> and getting hold of someone where it actually triggers is sometimes the only chance
[05:54] <slyjester> waaaaait
[05:54] <database> cpaelzer: okay
[05:54] <slyjester> 4.18 kernel
[05:54] <database> cpaelzer: thansk
[05:54] <database> cpaelzer: thanks
[05:54] <slyjester> I forgot I had updated the kernel
[05:55] <cpaelzer> slyjester: to something like http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.18/ ?
[05:55] <slyjester> Its actually 4.18.5
[05:55] <slyjester> So let me try a clean install first
[05:57] <cpaelzer> slyjester: ok, but if it happens again/still please let me know
[05:57] <slyjester> yeah I will
[05:57] <slyjester> Also trying to figure out broken audio input as well
[05:57] <slyjester> let me try to roll this back first
[06:00] <aaaaasdfasdf222s> hi
[06:06] <slyjester> cpaelzer, alright going to try it again with 4.15.0
[06:06] <slyjester> oh lol
[06:06] <slyjester> the service already started
[06:06] <slyjester> So yeah it was the kernel
[06:10] <cpaelzer> slyjester: very interesting
[06:10] <cpaelzer> so I might try and set up a 4.18 somewhere
[06:11] <cpaelzer> slyjester: which source for the 4.18 did you use - self built or a repo somewhere?
[06:12] <slyjester> I was being lazy and tried using UKUU
[06:12] <cpaelzer> well that is using the mainline kernels I linked
[06:13] <cpaelzer> ok, I'll do a test with that later on
[06:13] <cpaelzer> thanks slyjester
[06:13] <slyjester> Yeah no problem
[06:18] <database> configure: error: qemu, coreboot and loongson ports need unifont
[06:19] <madLyfe> what is your default for rsync args? i just want a 1:1 copy from one drive to another?
[06:19] <madLyfe> with --progress
[06:23] <Squall5668> You should use dd for that
[06:23] <madLyfe> `rsync -avhPsi -c --progress /media/kinghat/two_tb /media/kinghat-server/`
[06:35] <slyjester> Anyone here good with audio troubleshooting?
[06:36] <EriC^^> slyjester: ask the question and if somebody knows they'll answer
[06:37] <slyjester> Trying to figure out steps to troubleshoot my audio input not working properly in 18.04 using an X399 motherboard running ALC 1120 codec.
[06:37] <EriC^^> slyjester: what does "aplay -l" show?
[06:37] <EriC^^> is there no sound at all?
[06:38] <slyjester> I have good audio output, just audio in is broken completely.
[06:38] <slyjester> I see both my video card and my HDA on the motherboard listed
[06:38] <slyjester> ALC1220 Digital and ALC1220 Analog
[06:39] <database> configure: error: qemu, coreboot and loongson ports need unifont
[06:39] <EriC^^> slyjester: is it muted in the program "gnome-volume-control" ?
[06:40] <cpaelzer> I had similar audio trouble in a system where I eventually realized I need to switch the pulse audio profile (since the chip supported so mutch and detection was wrong) - if that is it try different profiles in "pavucontrol"
[06:40] <slyjester> It's not muted. It records horrible screetching sounds
[06:40] <EriC^^> slyjester: try installing "pavucontrol" as cpaelzer suggested
[06:41] <slyjester> Yeah already did and I can see the mic respond
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> slyjester: didnt you just play with different kernels?
[06:41] <EriC^^> slyjester: try the stuff here and cpaelzer 's profile suggestion https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting#Line_Input.2FMicrophone_Troubleshooting
[06:42] <slyjester> Yeah I am pretty sure I tried all of this, let me double check.
[06:42] <slyjester> Also yeah just rolled back the kernel
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> slyjester: to wich?
[06:42] <database> lotuspsychje: how to install unifont ?
[06:42] <slyjester> 4.15.0-33-generic
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> slyjester: ok, looks good
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> database: sudo apt install unifont ?
[06:44] <database> let me check
[06:44] <EriC^^> !info unifont
[06:47] <slyjester> hmm it detects the microphone plugged in, and I see the meter respond to my speech. But it just records horrible static
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> slyjester: while you mess around with your sound, open a tail -f /var/log/syslog please
[06:51] <ledeni> slyjester: if you set volume for mic high will make noise put volume low and try to hear it is noise there or not
[06:53] <neildugan> I have a remote computer I need to monitor load/network use etc. what would be the best software to use?
[06:54] <slyjester> Just one neildugan ?
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> neildugan: https://www.binarytides.com/linux-commands-monitor-network/
[06:55] <neildugan> slyjester, actually two, but at different locations.
[06:56] <slyjester> probably just write a quick script using snmp or ssh
[06:58] <neildugan> lotuspsychje, Thanks , but I know most of these I need something that can monitor over time (i.e. make graphs)
[06:58] <madLyfe> when i used rsync it copied the drive i wanted to copy and put that in a dir on the destination. i just want all the files from source to be put into destination w/o it making a new 'top level' dir.
[06:58] <madLyfe> this was my command `rsync -avhPsi --progress /media/kinghat/two_tb /media/kinghat-server/`
[06:58] <slyjester> Grafana or Nagios maybe?
[06:59] <neildugan> slyjester, I haven't heard of Grafana
[06:59] <ledeni> slyjester: one more question you using mic jack on your sound card  or something like monitor jack etc.
[07:00] <slyjester> The problem with a lot of monitoring software is that its going to be pretty heavy for just 1 or 2 devices
[07:00] <slyjester> ledeni, mic jack on the mobo
[07:00] <purplebob> upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04... now using netplan, previously /etc/network/interfaces. Keep getting DHCP ip's on both network interfaces even though static IP's set. how to I stop the dhcp request. I'm unsure of where the request if coming from.
[07:01] <ducasse> neildugan: you can build your own by using mrtg and snmpd on the clients
[07:01] <slyjester> rrdtool also works
[07:02] <purplebob> netplan apply    turns off the dhcp and it is configured as I want it. after reboot, it's got the static config + 2 dhcp ip's
[07:02] <neildugan> slyjester, I have used rrdtool before.  It worked OK, I am looking for a package atm
[07:04] <purplebob> I just recently switched to grafana... it's fantastic. It plays nice with zabbix too.
[07:04] <ledeni> slyjester: did you build system?
[07:04] <slyjester> Yeah I built this system myself
[07:04] <ducasse> neildugan: there's also monit, which is pretty light, but i don't have experience with it
[07:06] <slyjester> The jack works fine. I tested it in Windows
[07:07] <OlofL> Hello how do I display the full path in nautilus? or how do I go up a level (clicking with mouse)? eg if I connect to scp or ftp with a user. i am by the looks like chrooted to /home/user/ .. so i cant go to /var/ for example
[07:10] <neildugan> purpebob what is zabbix?
[07:13] <purplebob> monitoring software.
[07:13] <purplebob> https://www.zabbix.com/
[07:14] <ledeni> slyjester: any possibility that mic is surround speakers ?
[07:15] <slyjester> ledeni, not sure what you mean. What does surround speakers mean?
[07:15] <ledeni> slyjester: it is mic near speakers
[07:16] <ExperiencedFrog> Hello everyone.
[07:17] <slyjester> nope I'm wearing headphones
[07:20] <ledeni> ok that are headphones with mic or mic is separate
[07:20] <slyjester> microphone is separate and plugged into the mic jack on the motherboard
[07:21] <slyjester> It works in windows on the same machine, so it has to be some type of software issue
[07:22] <ExperiencedFrog> Have you tried viewing the drivers?
[07:23] <ExperiencedFrog> https://askubuntu.com/questions/47506/how-do-i-install-additional-drivers
[07:24] <slyjester> yeah let me double check though
[07:24] <slyjester> Nothing but the nvidia driver I have to reinstall
[07:25] <ledeni> try to reset pulse config like' rm -r ~/.config/pulse; pulseaudio -k'
[07:28] <slyjester> Well I am going to have to keep troubleshooting this some other time
[07:28] <slyjester> Thanks ledeni, all for the help tonight
[07:30] <ExperiencedFrog> I am downloading Ubuntu for the first time in a while.
[07:30] <ExperiencedFrog> Does anyone have any idea where to download the SHA512 checksums?
[07:30] <ExperiencedFrog> I mean SHA256.
[07:31] <ExperiencedFrog> Nevermind, I found them.
[07:33] <ExperiencedFrog> They don't put them in an easy place. Lol.
[07:36] <Animemaster> Hi
[07:38] <Animemaster> Ubi partman failed error
[07:39] <Animemaster> Normal installtion step , when clicking continue
[08:21] <cluelesshelp> So, I upgraded to Ubuntu 18, but now my machine will not boot.  Error message:
[08:21] <cluelesshelp> System BootOrder not found. Initializing defaults.  Creating boot entry "Boot0015" with label "ubuntu" for file "\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi"  Reset system
[08:22] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: boot from a cd/usb and go to recovery. then chroot to your root fs, and reinstall your boot manager.
[08:23] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: I reinstalled the system entirely, twice
[08:23] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre:   I use   efibootmgr -v   and it shows boot order
[08:23] <cluelesshelp> BootOrder: 0009,0013,000C,0007,000B,000D,000A,0008
[08:23] <cluelesshelp> which is missing the ubuntu uuid relation
[08:23] <cluelesshelp> I tried adding it
[08:24] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: oh, is this the GRUB NVME bug still going on?
[08:24] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre:   Here's the trouble, this is in an encrypted filesystem.
[08:25] <cluelesshelp> I'm in a livecd now
[08:25] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: all this may be due to seveal controls: bios/efi settings, encryption, etc.
[08:25] <sobersabre> are you using luks?
[08:25] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: ^^^
[08:25] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: yes
[08:26] <sobersabre> your EFI partition is not supposed to be luks encrypted.
[08:26] <sobersabre> AFAIK, the signed kernel binaries are ensuring the kernel stuff isn't tampered with.
[08:26] <sobersabre> so, you are supposed to have /efi partition with files.
[08:27] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: ah yeah, the efi partition is not encrypted
[08:27] <sobersabre> the grub installation is a bit different than non-EFI.
[08:27] <cluelesshelp> and yes, it's there
[08:27] <cluelesshelp> well, it completely broke after upgrading to 18
[08:27] <sobersabre> well I don't know which h/w you're using, but usually newer release supports previous h/w.
[08:28] <sobersabre> from which version have you upgraded?
[08:28] <blackflow> cluelesshelp: you're giving conflicting information. did you upgrade, or installed from scratch?
[08:28] <cluelesshelp> blackflow: I upgraded originally, could not boot, then reinstalled several times, running into the same problem
[08:28] <cluelesshelp> not conflicting, just missing timeline
[08:30] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: again, I understand you have old data encrypted with luks. right ?
[08:30] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: not anymore, I reinstalled entirely
[08:30] <cluelesshelp> it seems ubuntu doesn't construct the boot partition correctly or doesn't set variables correctly, I/m not sure
[08:31] <sobersabre> hm... did you change bios/efi settings post installation ?
[08:31] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: in an attempt to get it to work, yes, but no dice
[08:32] <cluelesshelp> the only settings available in the bios to change are just secure boot or not
[08:34] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: I just want to understand what can go wrong. usually the installer is perfectly able to scream if it doesn't manage to install boot part stuff, or fails accessing it.
[08:34] <cluelesshelp> well it didn't and I've tried multiple times
[08:35] <cluelesshelp> `efibootmgr -v` outputs a ton of data, but basically
[08:35] <cluelesshelp> BootOrder: 0009,0013,000C,0007,000B,000D,000A,0008
[08:36] <cluelesshelp> Boot0014* ubuntu	HD(1,GPT,<UUID>
[08:36] <cluelesshelp> if I do,   `blkid`
[08:36] <cluelesshelp>  /dev/sda1: UUID="" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI System Partition" PARTUUID="<UUID>
[08:36] <cluelesshelp> it's the same UUID^
[08:37] <cluelesshelp> so I assume that's how it's selected
[08:39] <cluelesshelp> I tried setting BootOrder to  0014
[08:39] <cluelesshelp> still fails
[08:42] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: have u looked at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed/+bug/1747889
[08:43] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: it seems possible some systems could not remember the boot order, and kept adding new entries.
[08:43] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: okay, well I'm on a Thinkpad
[08:43] <cluelesshelp> I would expect it to work
[08:44] <sobersabre> me too. which TP ?
[08:44] <cluelesshelp> Carbon X1 3rd gen
[08:44] <sobersabre> I'm on Thinkpad  T460s, no such problem. have you got the latest BIOS ?
[08:45] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: dunno, I suppose I should look
[08:45] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: this is voodoo, maybe boot with debug logging and see what exactly is happening...
[08:46] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: I dunno where to set debug logging, the "error" seems to occur from the bios logo screen
[08:46] <cluelesshelp> ah well, there's an "urgent" bios update
[08:46] <cluelesshelp> via windows.
[08:46]  * cluelesshelp groans
[08:46] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: stop whining
[08:47] <sobersabre> get usb .iso, convert it properly into .img and boot from it.
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> sobersabre: please be polite to users when helping
[08:48] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: https://workaround.org/article/updating-the-bios-on-lenovo-laptops-from-linux-using-a-usb-flash-stick/
[08:48] <cluelesshelp> oh they have a bootable cd for the bios, nice
[08:48] <cluelesshelp> lotuspsychje: thanks, but sobersabre is right, I'm being a whiny *****
[08:48] <sobersabre> lotuspsychje: thanks for reminding me.
[08:48] <cluelesshelp> :P
[08:48] <cluelesshelp> will try the bios thing and report back
[08:48] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: thank you
[08:48] <sobersabre> lotuspsychje: are you a human?
[08:49] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: pository
[08:49] <cluelesshelp> brb
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> sobersabre: discuss that in #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[08:56] <SeTunTun> Hello, I am trying to run Tuxguitur in Ubuntu 14.04 but it shows an error in the terminal. Something related with the java home or something similar.
[08:56] <SeTunTun> Could anybody help to solve tis?
[08:56] <mouses> SeTunTun: If you could copy/paste the actual error into a pastebin somewhere, it would help people here be able to address your issue a lot easier.
[08:58] <SeTunTun> of course Moses, one minute
[08:59] <EriC^^> SeTunTun: did you use the repo version?
[08:59] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install tuxguitar ?
[08:59] <SeTunTun> https://pastebin.com/GxTJMzUp
[09:00] <SeTunTun> Eric, I use the version in the ubuntu repo. It has been working for months but yesterday I noticed that it doesn't run :(
[09:00] <sobersabre> SeTunTun: what has changed?
[09:00] <sobersabre> updates?
[09:01] <Xard> will the thunderbird 60 be backported for 18.04 lts?
[09:01] <EriC^^> !info java-9-oracle
[09:02] <SeTunTun> Maybe. I used to use the openjdk for java but I needed to install the oracle java. Maybe the problem is there
[09:02] <EriC^^> !info /usr/lib/jvm/java-9-oracle/jre/bin/java
[09:02] <EriC^^> !search /usr/lib/jvm/java-9-oracle/jre/bin/java
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> Xard: thunderbird  58.0b3 is available on snap if you like?
[09:02] <EriC^^> !find /usr/lib/jvm/java-9-oracle/jre/bin/java
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> !backports | Xard
[09:06] <SeTunTun> This is what I get when I write info /usr/lib/jvm/java-9-oracle/jre/bin/java
[09:06] <SeTunTun> https://pastebin.com/a7xbHGNz
[09:11] <the_document> is it easy to install old revisions of a software?
[09:12] <ppf> this is weird. yesterday evening all my terminals closed
[09:12] <sobersabre> the_document: it is possible. but how easy it depends on what the software depends on
[09:12] <ppf> on two machines
[09:12] <ppf> what's taht about?
[09:12] <sobersabre> ppf: it's about uptime or network problems...
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> ppf: you have ssh server running?
[09:12] <ppf> sobersabre: how's that related
[09:12] <ppf> lotuspsychje: yes
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ppf: fail2ban active?
[09:13] <ppf> lotuspsychje: yes
[09:13] <sobersabre> :)
[09:13] <ppf> ?
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ppf: take a look around the attempts maybe? auth log too?
[09:13] <sobersabre> ppf: those terminals were showing SSH sessions  to that server over ssh ?
[09:14] <ppf> sobersabre: no, _all_ terminals
[09:14] <sobersabre> so you had a machine X with terminal emulation open. and then it was closed ?
[09:14] <sobersabre> by itself
[09:14] <ppf> lotuspsychje: i don't see how that's connected
[09:14] <sobersabre> ppf: right ?
[09:15] <ppf> sobersabre: i have two machines, each with like 20 terminals open, all of them closed
[09:15] <sobersabre> ppf: I am usually using tmux or screen and only 1 terminal with many "windows"/"panes"
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> ppf: well, we had a recent user in here with compromized server tru ssh...his dirs taken over
[09:15] <sobersabre> ppf: go over the logs
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> ppf: im just widen your options
[09:15] <sobersabre> to negate compromise.
[09:16] <sobersabre> ppf: who has physical access to your 2 machines?
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> ppf: also check history of your terminals
[09:16] <sobersabre> (e.g. if I leave an open desktop with my kids around, it's a gonner. they will do something nasty. incl. rm -fr /* if I leave it as root.)
[09:16] <qwebirc50077> Hi all. Whats the cleanest way of getting qemu 2.12.2 onto my bionic system?
[09:17] <sobersabre> qwebirc50077: if you mean you have a too old system, and this is newer qemu - beware kernel related things.
[09:18] <sobersabre> qwebirc50077: are you running vanilla kernel & modules?
[09:18] <ppf> sobersabre: nobody
[09:18] <ppf> lotuspsychje: my history is clean
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> ppf: did you clean your history?
[09:18] <qwebirc50077> sobersabre: No I use UKUU to update to latest
[09:18] <ppf> no
[09:18] <sobersabre> ppf: are you using autologin into graphical env ?
[09:18] <ppf> sobersabre: no
[09:19] <sobersabre> ppf: basically, it is possible to print control chars that would kill your terminal session.
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> ppf: time for a lynis rkhunter and clamav scan :p
[09:19] <ppf> in all running terminal processes simulatneously
[09:19] <sobersabre> were these terminals polling local things or network things ?
[09:19] <ppf> no, they're just ... terminals
[09:20] <sobersabre> ppf: if this control sequence appears in all - then yes.
[09:20] <ppf> how would it
[09:20] <sobersabre> ppf: check who
[09:20] <sobersabre> ppf: check logins list
[09:20] <sobersabre> if you don't see your own logins - start security incident procedure as lotuspsychje suggests.
[09:20] <ppf> it wasn't a compromise
[09:21] <sobersabre> so you had idle 20 terminals running ?
[09:21] <ppf> yes
[09:21] <sobersabre> doing nothing?
[09:21] <ppf> some were doing something, some weren't
[09:21] <sobersabre> those that did do something. what was that ?
[09:21] <sobersabre> :)
[09:22] <ppf> running vim, ssh, stuff
[09:22] <sobersabre> I mean it is possible to run this command: pkill -9 -f term
[09:22] <sobersabre> from one of them
[09:22] <sobersabre> ppf: vim also allows running commands via :!cmd
[09:23] <sobersabre> what was the 'stuff' doing ?
[09:24] <ppf> no idea anymore
[09:24] <ppf> nothing important
[09:24] <sobersabre> ppf: maybe seriously, go over ~/.bash_history file (or whatever your shell's history file is)
[09:24] <sobersabre> and see last commands.
[09:25] <sobersabre> also, go over audit logs to see what interesting thing pops up in the timerange
[09:25] <sobersabre> and regular logs will help too.
[09:25] <ppf> it wasn't a compromise
[09:25] <sobersabre> maybe you have some h/w failure that segfaults
[09:25] <ppf> segfault would've shon up in dmesg
[09:25] <sobersabre> ppf: I didn't imply it was a compromise.
[09:25] <sobersabre> I didn't say dmesg
[09:25] <sobersabre> :)
[09:26] <sobersabre> I said "regular logs"
[09:26] <sobersabre> there are many logs
[09:26] <sobersabre> syslog, journal, even ~/.xsession-errors if it is still used nowadays...
[09:27] <ppf> i know what a log is ;)
[09:28] <sobersabre> ppf: I am happy we're on the same page
[09:28] <qwebirc47870> hello
[09:28] <sobersabre> hi qwebirc47870
[09:28] <ekimia_laptops> I'm trying to upgrade my scripts
[09:28] <ppf> so .. any other tangible ideas that aren't compromise? :)
[09:28] <ppf> lotuspsychje: ^
[09:28] <ekimia_laptops> from 16.04 to 18.04
[09:29] <ekimia_laptops> in 16.04 I installed hwe kernel and xorg
[09:29] <sobersabre> ppf: instability due to mem/disk problems.
[09:29] <ekimia_laptops> so i always get the latest kernel
[09:29] <ppf> sobersabre: on two machines at the same time?
[09:29] <ekimia_laptops> but I don't see such hwe packages in 18.04 ??
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> ppf: whatever it is, there must be traces of it right?
[09:29] <sobersabre> ppf: are the machines on the same powerline ?
[09:29] <ppf> sobersabre: no
[09:29] <ppf> different parts of the city
[09:30] <sobersabre> ppf: how do you know it happened at the same time ?
[09:30] <ppf> actually, i don't know if it was at the same time
[09:30] <sobersabre> hehe
[09:30] <ppf> some time between yester day afternoon and now
[09:30] <sobersabre> ppf: did you monitor the systems (mem, disk, cpu, whatever) somewhere outside those machines?
[09:30] <ppf> sobersabre: of course not
[09:31] <sobersabre> ppf:  which desktop env are you running ?
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> ekimia_laptops: hwe packages?
[09:31] <EriC^^> ekimia_laptops: i dont think there will be hwe for 18.04 til 20.04 comes out
[09:31] <ppf> nightly upgrades were libc-bin, libgd3, and intel-microcode, but i don't see why any of those would kill gnome-terminal
[09:31] <ppf> sobersabre: no env, just awesomewm
[09:31] <EriC^^> ekimia_laptops: or i think 18.10 comes out
[09:31] <EriC^^> i think just 18.10 iirc
[09:32] <sobersabre> ppf: libc-bin is ... pretty nicely tied to every binary.....
[09:32] <pax_rhos> help
[09:32] <pax_rhos> my xubuntu went nuts
[09:32] <EriC^^> ekimia_laptops: try "apt-cache search linux | grep hwe"
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> pax_rhos: ask a question first
[09:32] <sobersabre> ppf: I think such update would not kill them immediately
[09:32] <ekimia_laptops> that would be weird to drop hwe
[09:32] <pax_rhos> I open google chrome and it asks for keyring password
[09:32] <ppf> sobersabre: certainly, but still
[09:32] <pax_rhos> I tried all my passwords - nothing matches
[09:32] <sobersabre> ppf: Suggesting an experiment.
[09:32] <pax_rhos> I am not sure I had a password specifically for gnome keyring
[09:32] <pax_rhos> `unlock login keyring`: `the login keyring did not get unlocked when you logged into your computer`
[09:33] <ppf> pax_rhos: it's your login password
[09:33] <ekimia_laptops> Eric : yes I did search
[09:33] <pax_rhos> ppf: doesn't work
[09:33] <ppf> the one you used when you set up the machine
[09:33] <pax_rhos> ppf: doesn't work
[09:33] <ekimia_laptops> the point is that If we ship 18.04.1 without hwe packages , people will stay on 4.15
[09:34] <ppf> lotuspsychje, sobersabre: i haven't checked when my home-machines updates ran ...
[09:34] <EriC^^> ekimia_laptops: maybe the name is different, or maybe til 18.10 comes out the package will be available, since right now there is nothing to be installed yet
[09:34] <ekimia_laptops> But I think you are right
[09:35] <ekimia_laptops> the hwe packages were not on 16.04.1 as well
[09:35] <ekimia_laptops> they appeared in 16.04.2
[09:35] <EriC^^> aha
[09:35] <ekimia_laptops> OK I'm stuck then
[09:35] <blackflow> ekimia_laptops: which coincided with next ubuntu release? I think those are tied to ubuntu releases, not kernel releases
[09:35] <sobersabre> ppf: I don't remember how dynamic libs behave after binary has been replaced.
[09:35] <ekimia_laptops> because I cannot push packages to my clients
[09:35] <ekimia_laptops> I need the package to be installed on my initial image
[09:35] <sobersabre> it is perfectly possible that after the upgrade a new symbol is being called at the old address in VM
[09:36] <pax_rhos> help?
[09:36] <pax_rhos> I can't use chromium: it wiped all cookies and doesn't show passwords
[09:36] <sobersabre> ppf: and you would get something weird. e.g. SIGSEGV b/c you passed function X(a,b) more params via X(a,b,c)
[09:36] <ekimia_laptops> @blackflow : yes Kernel/Release
[09:37] <ppf> sobersabre: yes, but there was no sigsegv
[09:37] <pax_rhos> I guess I shouldn't have installed updates yesterday
[09:37] <sobersabre> ppf: I think the signal should be different. well you can experiment.
[09:37] <sobersabre> create a c file calling function with more params than its library actually accepts
[09:37] <sobersabre> you would get something
[09:37] <ppf> sobersabre: not really, swapping out libc-bin willy-nilly is somewhat involved
[09:38] <ppf> that wouldn't tell me a lot
[09:38] <sobersabre> ppf: swapping in-out is time based. if you don't call some pages they get flushed to disk (swap out)
[09:38] <ppf> that's unrelated
[09:38] <pax_rhos> all solutions I find online are for gnome, but I use xfce!
[09:38] <pax_rhos> all that 'password and keys' stuff
[09:40] <ppf> which keyring is asking for the password?
[09:40] <sobersabre> ppf: go over apt.log or dpkg.log ( I don't remember the exact file) and see what was updated in the last transaction
[09:40] <pax_rhos> I guess gnome-keyring
[09:40] <pax_rhos> but I really have no idea
[09:40] <sobersabre> ppf: maybe it was the terminal...
[09:44] <pax_rhos> omfg
[09:44] <pax_rhos> so all my passwords are lost?
[09:45] <EriC^^> pax_rhos: what's the problem?
[09:45] <pax_rhos> EriC^^ do you have history?
[09:46] <EriC^^> yes lmr
[09:47] <EriC^^> pax_rhos: did you recently change your xubuntu user password?
[09:47] <ppf> sobersabre: that was the list above
[09:47] <pax_rhos> EriC^^: no
[09:47] <EriC^^> did you try it as the keyring password?
[09:47] <pax_rhos> yes
[09:50] <EriC^^> pax_rhos: do you remember the very first password you used as your xubuntu user?
[09:51] <EriC^^> *for your
[09:51] <sobersabre> ppf: what is willy-nilly?
[09:52] <sobersabre> (not english native, please patronize)
[09:52] <ppf> 'randomly'
[09:52] <francesco_> Hi
[09:52] <EriC^^> hello
[09:53] <francesco_> Is it possible to use do-release-upgrade to go from ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04?
[09:53] <sobersabre> ppf: aye, Sir.
[09:53] <EriC^^> francesco_: yes
[09:53] <francesco_> thanks
[09:53] <francesco_> instead from 17.04 I get an error
[09:53] <francesco_> was a bit strange ahah
[09:53] <francesco_> thanks ppls
[09:53] <EriC^^> ?
[09:54] <francesco_> yeah do-release-upgrade tells me it can't update from zetsy to bionic
[09:54] <EriC^^> francesco_: can you paste the exact output?
[09:54] <ppf> 16.04 is xenial
[09:54] <francesco_> sure
[09:54] <EriC^^> francesco_: 17.04 is eol now, you need to edit something so it upgrades
[09:55] <ppf> from zesty you'll have to go through artful first
[09:55] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | francesco_
[09:55] <ppf> !eol
[09:55] <francesco_> https://bpaste.net/show/b0a5eefc1adc
[09:55] <EriC^^> also what ppf  said, 17.04 -> 17.10 -> 18.04
[09:55] <francesco_> instead, going from 16.04 to 18.04 is easier?
[09:55] <ppf> "easier"
[09:56] <EriC^^> you can't using the tool though
[09:56] <francesco_> ah
[09:56] <EriC^^> francesco_: fresh install is easier + better
[09:56] <EriC^^> i'd backup my stuff and fresh install
[09:56] <pax_rhos> EriC^^: yes, it doesn't work too
[09:56] <sobersabre> ppf: are you logging your awesomewm session?
[09:56] <ekimia_laptops> No Need for fresh install
[09:56] <EriC^^> pax_rhos: theoretically if he switched sources would it break?
[09:56] <ppf> sobersabre: logging in what sense
[09:56] <ekimia_laptops> Just point to the old release server
[09:57] <ekimia_laptops> and the upgrade will work
[09:57] <sobersabre> as stated here: https://awesomewm.org/apidoc/documentation/90-FAQ.md.html
[09:57] <ekimia_laptops> fresh install is a waste of time usually
[09:57] <pax_rhos> EriC^^: what
[09:57] <sobersabre> look at: "Where are logs, error messages or something?"
[09:57] <francesco_> ok thanks everyone
[09:57] <sobersabre> ppf: ^^^
[09:58] <sobersabre> awesomewm can be restarted (like ion3, etc.) with “Mod4 + Control + r”.
[09:59] <ppf> sobersabre: yes, that's .xsession-errors
[09:59] <ppf> per default
[09:59] <pax_rhos> so ubuntu is a piece of stuff
[09:59] <sobersabre> ppf: are you sure it weren't restarted somewhere within the aforementioned time range ?
[09:59] <rootkea> Hello! I have only main and universe components in my sources.list as can be seen at https://pastebin.com/5K2cwwTv Still why the Ubuntu Software Center shows proprietary products like Colibri https://colibri.opqr.co ?
[09:59] <ppf> sobersabre: yes
[09:59] <sobersabre> ppf: /me goes on with his life.
[10:00] <sobersabre> ppf: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[10:00] <sobersabre> :-/
[10:00] <ppf> :)
[10:01] <sobersabre> ppf: can you see the age of awesomewm process?
[10:01] <sobersabre> in /proc/$pid/...
[10:01] <ppf> sobersabre: yes
[10:01] <sobersabre> is it longer than the incident ?
[10:02] <ppf> yes
[10:02] <sobersabre> s/long/old/
[10:02] <sobersabre> cool.
[10:02] <Kingsy> for some reason nm-applet only manages my wifi and not the wired connection (which is not working at all) what is generally the way of using nm for everything?
[10:02] <sobersabre> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[10:02] <ppf> i also have other windows than terminal open ;)
[10:02] <sobersabre> ppf: is it in a room with a lock ?
[10:03] <sobersabre> I mean the computers.
[10:03] <ppf> sobersabre: yes
[10:03] <sobersabre> who has the keys?
[10:03] <ppf> more people than me
[10:04] <sobersabre> ppf: is it possible it's a practical joke? (sometimes people do things to newcomers...)
[10:04] <ppf> no
[10:04] <ppf> remember, two machines ;)
[10:05] <Kingsy> kinda weird actually, what manages internet connections by default in ubuntu?
[10:05] <EriC^^> Kingsy: networkmanager
[10:06] <Kingsy> EriC^^: hm, so why does it not pick up on my wired connection?
[10:06] <ppf> Kingsy: lshw -C network
[10:06] <EriC^^> Kingsy: is the ethernet seen? try "ifconfig -a"
[10:08] <sobersabre> ppf: people can call each other. or it was a network access. which is kind-of "compromise", but kind of "insider-job".
[10:08] <Kingsy> EriC^^: yeah that appears --> enp0s31f6: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
[10:08] <Kingsy> ppf: I can see the device in lshw too
[10:09] <Kingsy> description: Ethernet interface
[10:09] <sobersabre> ppf: I used to do this kind of thing to junior engineers, when I was a student myself...
[10:09] <sobersabre> opening cdrom tray, playing wavs, displaying messages....
[10:10] <sobersabre> killing processes.
[10:10] <ppf> sobersabre: and you broke into peoples homes for this? ;)
[10:10] <sobersabre> nope. work desktop machines from within the company intranet.
[10:10] <sobersabre> ppf: what is the connection between the 2 machines again ?
[10:10] <ppf> The Internet
[10:11] <sobersabre> nono, how do they relate ?
[10:11] <ppf> Kingsy: when you say doesn't pick up, what do you mean?
[10:11] <ppf> because that iface is up
[10:11] <Kingsy> ppf: nmcli says --> enp0s31f6: unmanaged
[10:11] <ppf> can you paste /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:12] <Kingsy> sure
[10:12] <ppf> sobersabre: i guess they share the same usernames
[10:12] <Xard> lotuspsychje: i
[10:12] <Xard> i'll look into it, thanks
[10:12] <sobersabre> ppf: can they be connected to via ssh and user/pass?
[10:12] <ppf> no
[10:12] <Kingsy> ppf: https://pastebin.com/pb0n4wwj
[10:12] <sobersabre> ppf: are they running any network service except ssh ?
[10:12] <Kingsy> not much there.
[10:13] <ppf> the one is behind a nat, both only do key-based authentication
[10:13] <sobersabre> ppf: any service discovery service up? avahi, maybe?
[10:13] <ppf> sudo nmcli dev set enp0s31f6 managed yes
[10:13] <Kingsy> hehe was just running that (just found it)
[10:13] <Kingsy> lets see
[10:14] <ppf> and check-out (or remove) /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf
[10:14] <Kingsy> ppf: still no change.
[10:14] <ppf> there's a bug in bionic in the interplay between netplan and nm
[10:14] <Kingsy> ./etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf <-- this does not exist on my system
[10:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:15] <ppf> what about /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d?
[10:15] <ppf> Kingsy: which ubuntu is this?
[10:16] <ppf> sobersabre: yes, avahi is running
[10:16] <Kingsy> ppf: ah there are 3 files there --> 10-dns-resolved.conf              10-globally-managed-devices.conf  no-mac-addr-change.conf
[10:16] <Kingsy> ppf: 18.04
[10:16] <ppf> can you try and set unmanaged-devices=none
[10:17] <Kingsy> ppf: where? in  10-globally-managed-devices.conf ?
[10:17] <ppf> ya
[10:17] <Kingsy> ok 1 second
[10:17] <Kingsy> do I need to restart nm?
[10:17] <ppf> yes
[10:18] <ppf> or networking entirely
[10:19] <Kingsy> ppf: ok that did work in the fact that some of the docker connections are now being managed by nmcli BUT unfortunately --> enp0s31f6: unmanaged
[10:20] <ppf> okay, then i guess revert that change
[10:20] <ppf> and paste /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml please
[10:21] <Kingsy> ppf: ooo this is suspect --> https://pastebin.com/w2Z9iLeY
[10:22] <ppf> yeah, make t he renderer NetworkManager
[10:22] <ppf> and then sudo netplan apply
[10:23] <SeTunTun> Still no idea what to do
[10:23] <ppf> about what
[10:23] <pax_rhos> just delete it
[10:24] <pax_rhos> I'm starting to realize that it is just crapware
[10:25] <adrian_1908> SeTunTun: bro what happened, what is going on my dude?
[10:25] <pax_rhos> they are here to troll you
[10:25] <AeternusIgnis> Hi, I've just installed 18.04 side to 16.04, same home partition, same user name with same password, but in 18.04 I cannot access for wrong login, some ideas?
[10:26] <pax_rhos> 18.04 is a failure
[10:26] <AeternusIgnis> Why?
[10:26] <adrian_1908> AeternusIgnis: wait, you have 18.04 and 16.04 sharing one home directory?
[10:26] <pax_rhos> too buggy
[10:26] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos, stop that
[10:27] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj: no, I'm going to help him
[10:27] <AeternusIgnis> Yes, one home directory
[10:27] <pax_rhos> you need to log into 16.04
[10:27] <pax_rhos> and then delete the partition with 18.04
[10:27] <BluesKaj> help him , how ? By telling ppl that ubuntu is a failure ? tha's not helping
[10:28] <pax_rhos> this will solve most problems
[10:28] <adrian_1908> AeternusIgnis: any reason why? That strikes me as a bad idea.
[10:28] <AeternusIgnis> Pax, stop it
[10:28] <pax_rhos> or else
[10:28] <pax_rhos> one day you update your stuffy 18.04 and get all your passwords locked
[10:28] <pax_rhos> with password you didn't set and can't guess
[10:28] <AeternusIgnis> I'm just trying to share user setting and files
[10:28] <rootkea> Hello! I have only main and universe components in my sources.list as can be seen at https://pastebin.com/5K2cwwTv Still why the Ubuntu Software Center shows proprietary products like Colibri https://colibri.opqr.co ?
[10:28] <ppf> AeternusIgnis: yeah that's going to give you a lot of trouble down the road
[10:29] <ppf> pax_rhos: next time remember your password maybe
[10:29] <pax_rhos> ppf: I remember all of them.
[10:29] <ppf> rootkea: the software center also shows you snaps
[10:29] <ppf> pax_rhos: clearly
[10:29] <pax_rhos> ppf: the issue appeared after the last update
[10:29] <blackflow> AeternusIgnis: sharing ~/ like that is bad idea. different versions of programs that use files in there. a mess and breakage is guaranteed.
[10:29] <pax_rhos> due to bugs in kernel - I have to reboot daily
[10:29] <adrian_1908> AeternusIgnis: What if you install identical applications on both systems and they write to the same home directory?
[10:29] <pax_rhos> so I clearly know my passwords
[10:30] <rootkea> ppf, yes it does. And I expected only "free" snaps to be shown in Software Center as I have no non-free component in my sources.list
[10:30] <pax_rhos> AeternusIgnis: don't get tricked into thinking that 3 chars 'LTS' next to 18.04 make it anyhow stabl
[10:30] <pax_rhos> e
[10:31] <ppf> rootkea: snaps aren't related to sources.list
[10:31] <blackflow> rootkea: snaps have nothing to do with sources.list  (also non-free is debian, not ubuntu)
[10:31] <rootkea> Though I know sources.list has nothing to do with snaps. But I couldn't find similar setting for snaps
[10:31] <blackflow> rootkea: "channels"
[10:31] <adrian_1908> AeternusIgnis: if you need to run separate Ubuntu versions into the future, containers are the way to go.
[10:31] <AeternusIgnis> Ok, I think that I've just failed with this trying...
[10:32] <blackflow> not even containers but VM.
[10:32] <ppf> rootkea: you can also just get rid of snapd :)
[10:32] <pax_rhos> not even VM, but PC
[10:32] <rootkea> blackflow, where do I set the channels for "free" snaps?
[10:32] <rootkea> Is there something along the lines of sources.list for snaps?
[10:32] <AeternusIgnis> Thank you all
[10:32] <blackflow> rootkea: I don't think that exists. snap channels are more about different versions and flavors
[10:33] <blackflow> rootkea: nope, there's only one central snap "store".
[10:34] <rootkea> ppf, Oh so either don't use snaps at all or endure proprietary snaps in software center. That sucks :/
[10:34] <ppf> rootkea: it's worth, the snap  store isn't moderated
[10:34] <ppf> s,worth,worse
[10:34] <blackflow> rootkea: the closest thing is "channels" for snaps, which offer different versions/flavors for them
[10:34] <ppf> so anyone can upload any crap
[10:34] <ppf> it's a security nightmare
[10:35] <pax_rhos> 18.04 has faulty dns
[10:35] <blackflow> yeah unfortunately. only install snaps from vendors you trust. canonical, snapcrafters, and whoever else you trust
[10:35] <pax_rhos> 18.04 has faulty kernel
[10:35] <ppf> pax_rhos: there is one other explanation though ;)
[10:35] <pax_rhos> 18.04 has faulty gnome-keyring (well, maybe only if you are not using Gnome)
[10:35] <rootkea> ppf, Oh that's horrible! I am on my way to get rid of snaps altogether.
[10:35] <rootkea> Thanks!
[10:35] <ppf> rootkea: and you won't be missing out (currently at least)
[10:36] <blackflow> rootkea: note that in Bionic, there are some default snaps installed, so removing them all completely might incur breakage.
[10:36] <pax_rhos> rootkea: snaps is a wonderful idea with idiotic realization
[10:36] <ppf> blackflow: which snaps are those btw?
[10:36] <rootkea> ppf, honestly, I expected the well separate distinction between "free" and "proprietary" snaps like traditional packages
[10:36] <oerheks> pax_rhos, nobody cares about your trolling
[10:37] <blackflow> !ops pax_rhos wants a kickban
[10:37] <blackflow> ...
[10:37] <BluesKaj> can someone get rid of this pax_rhos character ...we don't need all these unproductive comments
[10:37] <blackflow> ppf: gnome stuff like the calculator, system monitor, some themes, etc...      snap list  will show them
[10:38] <blackflow> !ops | pax_rhos wants a kickban
[10:38] <ppf> blackflow: not if you get bionic through an upgrade it appears
[10:38] <blackflow> ppf: ah that's possible, yes. but then the packages are used instead of snaps.
[10:38] <ppf> yeah,  that's why i was curious what a fresh install ships
[10:39] <pax_rhos> sure
[10:39] <pax_rhos> if something's broken - the victim must be trolling
[10:39] <pax_rhos> because obviously ubuntu can't be broken
[10:39] <pax_rhos> pathetic pieces of stuff
[10:39] <ppf> pax_rhos: no that's only a spurious correlation
[10:39] <pax_rhos> yeah, right
[10:40] <ppf> you've broken your system _and_ you're trolling
[10:40] <pax_rhos> how did I break it?
[10:40] <blackflow> if you have a problem, ask about specific issue. blanket ranting about things being broken, like you do, is trolling.
[10:40] <pax_rhos> by installing updates?
[10:40] <rootkea> blackflow, is there a way to know if there are any snaps installed?
[10:40] <ppf> no causality necessary
[10:40] <ppf> rootkea: snap list
[10:40] <blackflow> rootkea: `snap list`
[10:40] <pax_rhos> blackflow: I asked and got no response.
[10:41] <pax_rhos> unfortunately, the only way to get attention with a problem is cry wolves
[10:41] <rootkea> says "No snaps are installed yet." Looks like I'm good to get rid of snapd
[10:41] <blackflow> pax_rhos: followed by "just delete it" (18.04) and "it's crapware". yeah, trolling, no interest to get help.
[10:42] <pax_rhos> blackflow: like you could help anyhow
[10:42] <blackflow> rootkea: my suggestion, don't drop the whole technology just becuse there might be some issues with it, like the requirement ot trust the vendor
[10:43] <ppf> i disagree
[10:43] <rootkea> blackflow, I plan to use the snaps again when Ubuntu has made the proper distinction between "free" and "proprietary" snaps.
[10:43] <blackflow> rootkea: there are good sides to it. for example, I'm using PyCharm snap. it's from jetbrains, a trusted vendor, and it works well.
[10:43] <ppf> pushing security concerns onto the user is not a valid strategy
[10:44] <ppf> it's not a bad technology, but a bad product
[10:44] <blackflow> the idea is to move the middleman out of the picture -- the maintainer -- and allow vendors to distribute their products straight to the user.    it just move the security boundary a bit more inwardly.
[10:44] <pax_rhos> rootkea: my suggestion: drop the whole technology, it is very much tied to their ecosystem, just take a look at how some popular apps are made there: they are incredibly fat and user has 0 control in case product owner decides to delete/break something. If they delete an older version from the repo - you can't install it anymore.
[10:44] <blackflow> previously you had to trust the maintainer that they're doing their job correctly and consciously.
[10:45] <blackflow> so either you do it all yourself, or you place trust into someone, somewhere, to do it for you.
[10:45] <rootkea> blackflow, Don't you feel like your choice of not allowing proprietary software is not being followed when you see the those snaps in software center?
[10:45] <pax_rhos> snaps are fat crapware, from my personal experience
[10:45] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos, then why are you here if your comments aren't trolling ? You aren't asking for any help .
[10:45] <blackflow> rootkea: I don't have a problem with proprietary software, but yeah, I understand your complaint.
[10:45] <ppf> blackflow: not really, because the middleman was the center of trust (and that might've been just the vendor)
[10:45] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj: why are you asking this if you aren't trolling? You aren't asking for any help.
[10:45] <ppf> and now the user has to _verify_ the center of trust
[10:45] <blackflow> ppf: so there was still trust _somewhere_  ;)
[10:46] <pax_rhos> this is _support_ channel
[10:46] <blackflow> one can still use snaps only from canonical and ignore all else.
[10:46] <ppf> sure, but the user could blanket-trust the repository
[10:46] <pax_rhos> not a QandA
[10:46] <pax_rhos> I share my experience with others
[10:46] <ppf> that's gone
[10:46] <blackflow> ppf: not gone, just .... not implemented yet.
[10:46] <pax_rhos> that might otherwise get tricked into problems like the ones I experienced
[10:46] <blackflow> then again it's no different from the docker hub.
[10:46] <ppf> "force the user to verify" is not valid
[10:46] <DalekSec> pax_rhos: What you're doing isn't support, it's making snarky comments.  If there are real issues, then file bugs.
[10:47] <oerheks> pax_rhos, please stop this rant, and keep this channel free for support. thanks.
[10:47] <ppf> blackflow: yes, i also avoid docker hub for the same reason
[10:47] <pax_rhos> DalekSec: that's your opinion. Mine differs.
[10:47] <ppf> blackflow: and for snaps, until that's implemented, i'm not using it :)
[10:47] <DalekSec> pax_rhos: See the guidelines: https://ubottu.com/y/gl
[10:47] <pax_rhos> oerheks: support? can I get any support with my problems?
[10:47] <blackflow> ppf: they're not forcing the user anything. the snaps is a delivery tech. until ubuntu starts installing by default snaps from shadyd vendors, it makes no difference.
[10:48] <blackflow> ppf: but your concern is valid. I'm just saying don't ignore thewhole tech, because there _are_ trusted vendors.
[10:48]  * BluesKaj waits for pax_rhos to state his issues, if there are any
[10:48] <sandman13> I am trying to install packages on a machine that has no internet connection. I managed to install few packages. But when I tried to install openjdk, it gave me this error: https://bpaste.net/show/54e31adc9c7a
[10:48] <ppf> blackflow: yes, they're forcing
[10:48] <Kingsy> ppf: that worked!!! tghanks man
[10:48] <qwebirc50077> Whats the cleanest way of getting qemu 2.12.2 onto my bionic system?
[10:48] <ppf> Kingsy: awesome!
[10:49] <pax_rhos> 1. I have a problem with dns-errors. Some requests (randomly) get the error "can't resolve this hostname".
[10:49] <pax_rhos> what do?
[10:49] <sandman13> I ran apt-get -f install but it's now removing packages
[10:49] <sandman13> is there a way to fix this issue?
[10:49]  * pax_rhos waits for BluesKaj to fix the dns issue.
[10:49] <pax_rhos> well, not fix, but support in that.
[10:49] <BluesKaj> which dns are you using pax_rhos?
[10:49] <pax_rhos> 8.8.8.8
[10:49] <pmitros> I am considering using a Macbook Pro for a project. I have a constrained set of choices, and that looks like the best one. Does anyone have any experiences on installing Ubuntu natively versus VMWare versus VirtualBox? I'm kind of wondering if Ubuntu will be usable in any/all of those modes.
[10:50] <pax_rhos> aaaand, that's all they usually ask before going silent.
[10:50] <ppf> blackflow: i'm also not saying i don't trust the vendor, i'm not trusting the market place
[10:51] <ppf> and if i can't trust the central hub i can't trust the product
[10:51] <pax_rhos> 2. when uptime reaches ~24h - I get random crashes here and there: skype crashes and restarts; chromium's tabs crash so often to the point where you hit ctrl+f5, it reloads the page and insta-crashes again.
[10:52] <pax_rhos> here, folks usually ask 'wut kernel do you use?'
[10:52] <blackflow> ppf: so you're saying the delivery mechanism is untrustworthy?
[10:52] <BluesKaj> pas whynot find a dns server closer to your location and checj your /resolve .conf to make sure you have this:  nameserver 127.0.0.53
[10:52] <pax_rhos> and then ho silent again
[10:52] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos,^
[10:52] <ppf> i also have issues with the tech itself, but those might be resolved :)
[10:52] <ppf> blackflow: ya
[10:52] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj: 127.0.0.53 entry is built in, I have 2 entries there: that one and the 8.8.8.8 one. Any more questions?
[10:52] <mouses> pax_rhos: 2) sounds like hardware faults
[10:52] <ppf> (essentially)
[10:52] <blackflow> ppf: I still think it's the vendor that's the problem here, not the delivery mechanism. because you trust apt and sources.list, right? but do you trust the vendor (upstream source repo) from which the package is created?
[10:52] <pax_rhos> mouses: yeah, riiiight.
[10:53] <pax_rhos> mouses: when I reboot - the issues are gone, but... you wouldn't believe it... the hardware stays the same!!!
[10:53] <mouses> pax_rhos: I'm assuming you've tested RAM and file system?
[10:53] <pax_rhos> I did
[10:53] <pax_rhos> done and done, no errors.
[10:53] <mouses> Right on.  Just trying to help you.
[10:53] <ppf> blackflow: at least i can believe that there are people between the vendor and me that are able to test and check things
[10:53] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos, you're better off setting your dns in your router/gateway if that's possible
[10:54] <blackflow> ppf: snaps, like apt packages, are just a delivery mechanism. the package maintainer may or may not have audited the code and change in an update. sometimes tehy don't and bugs/issues occur. sometimes they introduce a change that renders your ssh pubkey logins less secure than "r00t" password for root.
[10:54] <cluelesshelp> So yeah, I'm back with an up to date bios on my Thinkpad Carbon X1 3rd Gen
[10:54] <ppf> and i can restrict sources to free products
[10:54] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj: are you telling us that Ubuntu LTS is not capable of working as a DNS-client????
[10:54] <cluelesshelp> Ever since upgrading to Ubuntu 18, I cannot boot anymore
[10:54] <pax_rhos> am I the only one reading this???
[10:54] <pax_rhos> and I am the troll after that??
[10:55] <blackflow> ppf: yeah but you see, you're just placing trust into someone else. you're doing the same thing.   1) you trust the maintainer   or  2) you trust the snap vendor.     or 3) you do it yourself
[10:55] <mouses> pax_rhos: seems to me everyone is just to help you, but you're coming across in a very snarky/sarcastic manner in my opinion, so I am just going to wish you luck and hope you figure it out.  Maybe changing the snarky attitude would result in more people wanting to help you.
[10:55] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos, no, if it doesn't work for your setup then change it.
[10:55] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj basically just claimed that Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is a piece of stuff and I don't see blackflow doing his |ops trolling thing
[10:55] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj: what is so special about my setup?
[10:55] <ppf> blackflow: the maintainer provides an extra layer though
[10:55] <blackflow> pax_rhos: because he did not.
[10:55] <cluelesshelp> System BootOrder not found. Initializing defaults.  Creating boot entry "Boot0015" with label "ubuntu" for file "\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi" Reset System
[10:56] <ppf> as opposed to the vendor who could be anyone
[10:56] <cluelesshelp> so yeah, I'm stuck
[10:56] <ppf> maybe even someone how offerst a product whose name differs only a tiny bit from the product i actually want
[10:56] <BluesKaj> ok pax_rhos that's all from me ...go bang your head somewhere else
[10:56] <ppf> BluesKaj: pro-tip: /ignore
[10:56] <blackflow> ppf: that's an illusion.   it's one thing to require snaps have a label or mark similar to what universe/multiverse (eg. GPL-y or non-free) does for example, and I agree with that. but, placing your trust in a maintainer or a vendor, is the same thing. you place your trust into someone else.
[10:57] <BluesKaj> ppf, yup, just did
[10:57] <ppf> blackflow: who prevents me from uploading a snap called "PyCharm IDE"
[10:58] <cluelesshelp> why the hell is Ubuntu moving towards "snaps" anyway?
[10:58] <blackflow> ppf: nobody I guess. but when you install it, you look at the vendor and decide do you trust "JetBrains"   and/or do you trust "ShadyUserThatJustuploadedAFauxPyCharm" :)
[10:58] <pax_rhos> cluelesshelp: because it's 'the new stuff'
[10:58] <ppf> blackflow: exactly! _I_ have to look at the vendor
[10:58] <pax_rhos> hype
[10:58] <jeromelanteri> have an odroid-xu4, then i installed ubuntu-18.04 (armh kernel 4.14). Sure... i want to see kodi... i see it, but crash for some knid of movies type. so, kodi and ubuntu-18.04 on odroid, still a dream or possible at the end of year 2018 ?
[10:58] <cluelesshelp> pax_rhos: that's stupid
[10:59] <ppf> cluelesshelp: because they provide better safety and versioning
[10:59] <pax_rhos> cluelesshelp: it is
[10:59] <pax_rhos> but it had best intentions
[10:59] <cluelesshelp> ppf: that's a better reason.
[10:59] <DalekSec> ppf: The whole premise is that software creators can send things directly to the user without any middle ground.  I believe there was 'malware' found in the store as well at one point.
[10:59] <ppf> and in theory better security too, but i've yet to see that in practise :)
[10:59] <pax_rhos> it tried to solve the problem of cross-platform distribution with 0 external dependencies
[10:59] <cluelesshelp> ppf: ahuh, "security"
[10:59] <blackflow> cluelesshelp: please ignore trolls.   snaps are being introduced as an additional delivery mechanism straight from the vendor, and as containerized application meaning it doesn't have dependency issues with base files.
[10:59] <blackflow> !snaps
[11:00] <pax_rhos> no, they don't bring any extra security
[11:00] <blackflow> in fact they do
[11:00] <ppf> cluelesshelp: they're containers, so in theory you can namespace them away from other applications' networks, or files, or stuff
[11:00] <cluelesshelp> blackflow: I'm all for containerization, I'm just against it being in the form of a single OS thing/standard
[11:00] <blackflow> apparmor profiles, containerization, namespacing, it's making them more secure, if doneright, than installing packages locally.
[11:01] <pax_rhos> armor profiles and namespacing goes above snaps
[11:01] <pax_rhos> snaps have nothing to do with that
[11:01] <blackflow> cluelesshelp: whoever said it's going to be a single OS thing/standard?
[11:01] <cluelesshelp> blackflow: I don't think I've seen it commonly used other places yet.
[11:01] <cluelesshelp> blackflow: I'd prefer they just fix the earlier packaging systems
[11:01] <cluelesshelp> so I don't have to maintain multiple of them
[11:02] <pax_rhos> say, you can firewall any app, does it mean that any app has built-in security? (the question is rhetoric, one needs to be lacking lots of IQ points to asnwer it positively)
[11:02] <blackflow> cluelesshelp: the problem is not in the packaging system, but in software having dependencies all over the place
[11:02] <cluelesshelp> ANYWAY, I need help.  After Upgrading to Ubuntu 18, my machine will not boot.
[11:02] <pax_rhos> cluelesshelp: and who are you to demand that? mere mortal maintainer?
[11:02] <cluelesshelp> I'm stuck
[11:02] <pax_rhos> that's normal for 18.04
[11:02] <cluelesshelp> pax_rhos: dude, shut up
[11:02] <cluelesshelp> ignored
[11:02] <blackflow> !ops | pax_rhos really wants out
[11:02] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, what do you read at boot time ?
[11:03] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, do you try to boot on X11 (so xorg) system or in console mode ?
[11:03] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: System BootOrder not found. Initializing defaults.  Creating boot entry "Boot0015" with label "ubuntu" for file "\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi" Reset System
[11:03] <cluelesshelp> I don't get that far.
[11:04] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, wow... which bootloader is it ?
[11:04] <cluelesshelp> My Thinkpad Carbon X1 3rd Gen (latest bios) fails
[11:04] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: how to tell?  I think it's just grub, right?
[11:04] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, you have to edit the bootloader from there... depend of bootloader for edit it.
[11:04] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, i'm not sure, but grub edit mode is just hint "e" key... right ?
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: it doesn't get that far.
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> I don't get to the grub bootloader
[11:05] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, you need to have a look at archwiki about grub bootloader, there is all you need for edit grub there.
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> it's stuck at bios booting
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: are you blind?
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: IT DOESN'T GET THAT FAR.
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> 3rd time.
[11:05] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, ok, if the problem you think is not bootloader but bios, then edit your bios...
[11:06] <cluelesshelp> I didn't say the problem was my bios, and if were an option for me to solve, I'd have fixed it already there.
[11:06] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: It specifically occured when upgrading to Ubuntu 18.
[11:06] <cluelesshelp> nothing in bios changed.
[11:07] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, well... what is your system ? legacy bios or UEFI ?
[11:08] <oerheks> cluelesshelp, maybe you suffer the 'Boot Order Lock' issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1750351 .. i think boot repair can fix this
[11:08] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, ok, after have more reflexion about your error message, i think that your EFI is write in the bad place...
[11:09] <oerheks> * after unblocking
[11:09] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: UEFI
[11:09] <jeromelanteri> it should be inside /boot/efi/EFI (if grub is used)
[11:09] <jeromelanteri> and not /EFI
[11:09] <cluelesshelp> oerheks: that looks like the same error/symptoms
[11:10] <cluelesshelp> so yeah, that's a newly introduced GRUB bug
[11:10] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, could you just mount your disk with an other system and check that ?
[11:11] <cluelesshelp> oerheks: there's a suggestion about a possible bios option "boot order lock" that I'm going to go look for
[11:11] <cluelesshelp> I'll be right back
[11:11] <jeromelanteri> good luck
[11:12] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: check what?
[11:12] <cluelesshelp> bbs
[11:12] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, nevermind...
[11:13] <oerheks> cluelesshelp, you might need to set a bios password, good luck
[11:13] <jeromelanteri> well no one there use an odroid-xu4 ?
[11:21] <cluelesshelp> HA!
[11:21] <cluelesshelp> oakridge: you right?  That turned out to be it
[11:21] <cluelesshelp> Thinkpad Bios has an option that locks bootorder
[11:21] <cluelesshelp> that'd explain it, Upgrading to 18 added an entry and couldn't update the order
[11:23] <Erdbeerchen> Hey
[11:25] <Erdbeerchen> can someone help me for a sec ?
[11:25] <tomreyn> !ask | Erdbeerchen
[11:26] <Erdbeerchen> Is there any way to run a *.exe file on my Raspberry (Ubuntu Mate) ?
[11:26] <tomreyn> maybe through !wine. why do you want to / what are you trying to run?
[11:27] <Erdbeerchen> i just want to run a service where i can see some pics of my cam
[11:27] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: is there no linux alternative for it?
[11:28] <Erdbeerchen> im not sure im really new, i just need to install 1 *.exe and i tryed wine but i get an error that some files do not installed
[11:28] <tomreyn> !wine | Erdbeerchen
[11:29] <tomreyn> wine can work fine, but more often than not it wont, or rather not out of the box.
[11:30] <tomreyn> .exe files are really made for a different operating system.
[11:30] <Erdbeerchen> ill try again to install wine maybe it will work than
[11:30] <Erdbeerchen> Thanks :3
[11:31] <ppf> anyone try proton yet? :)
[11:33] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: you could also discuss which camera model you are trying to acquire images from, and the software you are currently trying to make use of, and we could maybe suggest an alternative
[11:34] <Erdbeerchen> Its a software from wenglor. If you know this brand
[11:34] <tomreyn> which cam model?
[11:35] <Erdbeerchen> give me 1 sec
[11:37] <Erdbeerchen> Its the weQube
[11:38] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: hmm this looks like some rather proprietary special purpose cameras for businesses. and they hardly provide linux software, for what i can tell.
[11:39] <Erdbeerchen> if wine will not work i try to get a linux version. Its pretty hard to contakt them so it will take a while but i let you know.
[11:39] <mobile_c> where do i aquire automake
[11:40] <squealingcode> gnu.org
[11:40] <mobile_c> makeinfo *
[11:40] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: how do you normally connect the camera to the computer (raspi in this case)? via ethernet or usb? does both work?
[11:41] <mobile_c> as im trying to build coreutils but i get ./bootstrap: Error: 'makeinfo' not found
[11:41] <mina> is there any way to use i3-gaps on ubuntu
[11:42] <mouses> mina: yes, I have it running under 16.04 just fine
[11:42] <Erdbeerchen> With Ethernet, only this work
[11:42] <mina> mouses: How?
[11:42] <mouses> mina: I'd recommend installing xfce4 as the DE first and then getting i3-gaps running as the WM
[11:42] <mouses> mina: hang on, I can show you 100% how I did it
[11:42] <mina> its not in official repositories
[11:43] <mouses> yeah, hold plz
[11:43] <mobile_c> why do i get this from apt? "E: Sub-process ProxyAutoDetect returned an error code (1)"
[11:43] <mobile_c> even when running "sudo apt update"
[11:44] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: they actually provide public documentation on their (apparenlty very simple) protocol, so you could just hire someone to write a linux client for it  https://www.wenglor.com/vision-world/smart-cameras/software/software/software-detail/?tx_wsdownloadlister_pi1%5BdetailID%5D=1345&tx_wsdownloadlister_pi1%5BbackPID%5D=1107&cHash=51c280c6f29993cd4b0071a1915b40ec
[11:44] <mouses> mina: http://feeblenerd.blogspot.com/2015/11/pretty-i3-with-xfce.html (little outdated but the principle is still the same)
[11:45] <Erdbeerchen> Oh okay, thanks i didnt know that
[11:45] <ppf> mobile_c: makeinfo is provided by texinfo
[11:45] <mouses> mina: install i3-gaps from here - https://github.com/Airblader/i3
[11:45] <mobile_c> ppf: ok
[11:46] <mobile_c> i3 google apps? o.o
[11:46] <mina> Airblander not supporting ubuntu in arch linux its just working
[11:47] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: but you should definitely contact them since they may be interested to have this happen, too.
[11:47] <mina> I'll check the other site thank you in advance
[11:47] <mouses> mobile_c: i3-gaps is i3+ some other useful features relating to the gaps between windows
[11:47] <mouses> mina: good luck!
[11:47] <Erdbeerchen> iĺl try my best _)
[11:48] <Erdbeerchen> i have to go now thanks for help. cya
[11:48] <squealingcode> cya
[12:05] <vizyon> XD
[12:19] <elichai2> in a dockerfile, after installing something should I remove only `/var/lib/apt/lists/` or `/var/cache/apt/archives/` too?
[12:34] <mobile_c> how do i get coreutils to compile
[12:34] <mobile_c> i get this
[12:34] <mobile_c> lib/acl-internal.c:479:1: error: function might be candidate for attribute 'const' [-Werror=suggest-attribute=const]
[12:34] <mobile_c>  free_permission_context (struct permission_context *ctx)
[12:47] <vizyon> XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXD
[12:49] <tomreyn> mobile_c: why would you need to compile coreutils?
[12:49] <tomreyn> (and how did you get / download the source code?)
[12:49] <tomreyn> (and which ubuntu release are you working on)
[12:52] <mobile_c> Sysinfo for 'Mobile-C': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.12.6 on Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS (Bionic Beaver) powered by Linux 4.15.0-33-generic, CPU: AMD A6-9220 RADEON R4, 5 COMPUTE CORES 2C+3G at 1422-1457/2500 MHz, RAM: 7228/7487 MB, Storage: 93/904 GB, 228 procs, 23.71h up
[12:52] <mobile_c> https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils
[12:54] <mobile_c> and i need to compile it so i can figure ou how realpath resolves its directories with --relative-to
[12:55] <geirha> then you don't need bleeding edge, just use ubuntu's sources.   apt-get source coreutils
[12:55] <geirha> (don't run it as root)
[12:56] <Kingsy> Has anyone had an issue where the internet is totally working BUT in a terminal ping doesnt?
[12:56] <mobile_c> for example, realpath -m /home/mobile_c/relpath/CCR/Headers/gc.h --relative-to=/home/mobile_c/relpath/CCR/UserFiles/ccr_resources/Scripts/Garbage_Collector/gc.h
[12:56] <mobile_c> what does source do o.o
[12:57] <mobile_c> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[12:58] <mobile_c> as im trying to impliment that functionality in C
[12:59] <mobile_c> but what i have so far does not work for every combination of paths correctly
[13:03] <geirha> oh, maybe deb-src entries aren't enabled by default anymore
[13:03] <tomreyn> i dont think they ever were?
[13:04] <navy_seal9614> Hi guys, I have some troubles with sleep/wake-up on my PC (Ubuntu18.04/gnome3.28). Basically when I lock my screen, after some time monitors (two of them) turn off, backlight on keyboad and mouse works, PC itself is running. The system though becomes completely unresponsive. Pressing caps lock on keyboard the led doesnt light up.
[13:04] <tomreyn> mobile_c: this is not the best place to ask C programming questions.
[13:04] <mobile_c> where can i find source.list
[13:05] <navy_seal9614> mobile_c: /etc/apt/
[13:05] <tomreyn> mobile_c: see the sources.list(5) man page
[13:07] <mobile_c> this is my sources.list https://paste.pound-python.org/show/mJYImVGMSPbG1n95NxH5/
[13:08] <tomreyn> mobile_c: do you have a question about it?
[13:09] <mobile_c> which one do i need too uncomment
[13:09] <tomreyn> Kingsy: how does ping 'not work'?
[13:10] <tomreyn> mobile_c: lines 6 and 11 if you want to be able to "apt-get source coreutils" (after running 'sudo apt update')
[13:10] <mobile_c> ok
[13:10] <tomreyn> !info coreutils bionic
[13:11] <tomreyn> lines 6 and 11 are about component 'main' (as well as 'restricted'), so this should be correct.
[13:11] <qwebirc90037> hello, I recently installed Ubuntu on my laptop and so far everything has been working very smoothly. However, whenever I reboot the system, or shutdown, the speaker on the laptop produces a very loud "pop" sound. Is there any way I may be able to fix this?
[13:11] <mobile_c> also why do i get this from apt? "E: Sub-process ProxyAutoDetect returned an error code (1)"
[13:13] <tomreyn> mobile_c: because proxy auto detection failed, i would guess
[13:13] <tomreyn> mobile_c: do you manage this system normally, did you install it?
[13:14] <mobile_c> http://bpaste.net/show/983c262450f9
[13:16] <ViStefan> Hi. My ubuntu system had broken (after my brother tried to install AMD drivers), and now I can't boot. I can enter GRUB but this doesn't helps, recovery mode and nothing else works. I don't have any necessary information on it, so I don't afraid to just reinstall system. But when I'm trying to load form USB stick to reinstall ubuntu, I see only grub and nothins helps, and in that grub no commands works. ls gives error 22 no such partition
[13:17] <_nedR> hello folks,, yes its me again.. came to say its that time of the month...
[13:17] <_nedR> yes be prepared for wild mood swings, outbursts, etc
[13:18] <_nedR> cuz my stupid nvidia drivers still don't install on my damn optimus laptop
[13:18] <mouses> ViStefan: Sounds like you are not actually booting from USB - you may need to press a key during boot to select the boot device
[13:18] <masber> good afternoon, I just created a new vm with ubuntu 16.10 but I cant install nginx, apt install nginx says ¨E: Unable to locate package nginx
[13:18] <masber> ¨
[13:18] <masber> same for htop
[13:18] <masber> any thoughts?
[13:19] <ViStefan> mouses: I'm sure I'm on usb. It shows another mess when i eject it.
[13:19] <tomreyn> !16.10 | masber
[13:19] <oerheks> masber, 16.10 is EOL, dead, use 16.04 or 18.04
[13:19] <dol> hi
[13:20] <masber> ok
[13:20] <masber> so should I do sudo apt dist-upgrade?
[13:20] <mouses> ViStefan: Perhaps bad boot media - what did you use to write the image to USB?  Do you have another computer you can plug it into to test if it's damaged?
[13:21] <tomreyn> masber: you're three releases behind, it's better to just reinstall.
[13:21] <tomreyn> (backup first)
[13:21] <masber> damn
[13:21] <masber> ok
[13:21] <blackflow> masber: or try !ltsupgrade
[13:21] <blackflow> !ltsupgrade
[13:21] <blackflow> ehhh sorry... I meant eolupgrade
[13:21] <blackflow> !eolupgrade
[13:21] <ViStefan> mouses: any idea?
[13:22] <mouses> ViStefan: Did you see my last post?
[13:22] <mouses> ViStefan: Perhaps bad boot media - what did you use to write the image to USB?  Do you have another computer you can plug it into to test if it's damaged?
[13:22] <ViStefan> Yes, usb stick works in another pc
[13:22] <ViStefan> mouses:
[13:22] <mobile_c> this is the strace of the command http://bpaste.net/show/77647c5dc65f
[13:22] <mouses> ViStefan: sorry, just not sure :(
[13:23] <mbuf> "sudo apt-get update" hangs an "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports/universe Translation-en" on Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS. How to resolve this?
[13:27] <mbuf> Then, I get message "Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1560:8001), but, I have given preference to IPv4 over IPv6 in /etc/gai.conf.
[13:27] <tomreyn> mobile_c: your problem there is that you have a proxy server configuration on your system for a proxy server which does not / no longer work. as a result, no 'deb' packages (neither binary nor source, i.e. no security updates) can be installed via apt(-get) on this system at this time.
[13:28] <tomreyn> mobile_c: chances are the proxy server is configured somewhere in /etc/apt/conf.d/, so i suggest you: sudo grep -ri proxy /etc/apt/conf.d/
[13:30] <mobile_c> ok
[13:30] <mobile_c> grep: /etc/apt/conf.d/: No such file or directory
[13:31] <mobile_c> mobile_c@Mobile-C:~/relpath$ ls /etc/apt
[13:31] <mobile_c> apt.conf.d  preferences.d  sources.list  sources.list.d  trusted.gpg.d
[13:31] <mobile_c>  /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/auto-apt-proxy.conf:Acquire::http::Proxy-Auto-Detect "/usr/bin/auto-apt-proxy";
[13:32] <mobile_c> auto-apt-proxy ; echo $?
[13:32] <mobile_c> 1
[13:35] <mobile_c> obile_c@Mobile-C:~/relpath$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/auto-apt-proxy.conf
[13:35] <mobile_c> Acquire::http::Proxy-Auto-Detect "/usr/bin/auto-apt-proxy";
[13:35] <tomreyn> mobile_c: so since this is not a standard configuration, someone must have configured it. which again brings us to the questions i had asked earlier. <tomreyn> mobile_c: do you manage this system normally, did you install it?
[13:36] <mobile_c> i installed it via the iso
[13:37] <tomreyn> mobile_c: maybe you chose to use a proxy server during installation?
[13:37] <tomreyn> mobile_c: now do you need to use a proxy server, do you want to use one, did you want to use one and no longer want to?
[13:38] <mobile_c> no idea which distro/forked_distro it originated from tho, i did apt install kubuntu-full
[13:38] <tomreyn> mobile_c: "apt install kubuntu-full" would not configure a proxy server. you're also not answering my questions, so i can't help.
[13:40] <mobile_c> how do i manually configure a proxy server
[13:40] <mobile_c> also do i require one if im connected via wifi
[13:42] <mobile_c> https://i.imgur.com/vJrT27L.png
[13:42] <mouses> mobile_c: Unless you know you have a need for a proxy server, no - you don't require one.  Perhaps take a peek at your network settings and if any proxy is specified there, remove it?
[13:44] <mouses> mobile_c: follow this and make sure "network proxy" is set to OFF.  https://www.serverlab.ca/tutorials/linux/administration-linux/how-to-configure-proxy-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[13:44] <mobile_c> if i did have a proxy server what would usually be required in order to connect to the wifi
[13:44] <mouses> mobile_c: Do you have the need to be using a proxy server and are you intending to use one?
[13:45] <mobile_c> https://i.imgur.com/OFEDxv3.png
[13:46] <mouses> hmmmm, not sure then.
[13:46] <mouses> Sorry :(
[13:49] <mobile_c> ;-; i cant access any sources untill i do a apt update but the stupid proxy wont let me ;-;
[13:49] <mobile_c> is there a way to disable apt's proxy
[13:50] <mobile_c> also does ubuntu still use the broken modified grub2
[13:50] <mobile_c> (eg on some systems booting up fails to show the grub2 screen and its options and may become unresponsive)
[13:51] <tomreyn> ViStefan: i can think of a couple reasons why the usb installer does not work on this computer you're trying to reinstall on: image not written properly (use the etcher.io software to write it, works on any of the major OS's, verifies that data was written properly.); you switched between (legacy) bios / CSM and UEFI booting and that's why the usb stick isnt booting.
[13:53] <tomreyn> mobile_c: like with most packages, ubuntu also applies patches on top of grub. i'm not aware of the issue you're discussing, got a bug report # ?
[13:54] <tomreyn> mobile_c: about removing the apt proxy configuration, you can either "sudo apt purge auto-apt-proxy" or just comment out the line you already identieid in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/auto-apt-proxy.conf
[13:57] <mobile_c> http://bpaste.net/show/ad2400ee364f
[14:04] <tomreyn> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FkzSJqhV5b/
[14:06] <skinux> I need to remove all versions of Qt except for the one that Ubuntu Bionic default packages rely on.
[14:07] <flagen2> .
[14:08] <flagen2> .edu hmm
[14:08] <skinux> Somehow I have a bunch installed https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/de5512adb4ec5695597297db33985914
[14:08] <flagen2> nice
[14:08] <leftyfb> flagen2: can we help you with something?
[14:08] <flagen2> leftyfb, sorry just installed kubuntu and auto joined
[14:09] <tomreyn> skinux: which comman produced this output?
[14:09] <flagen2> but my question is
[14:09] <skinux> qtchooser -list-versions
[14:09] <flagen2> why does it just crash on me
[14:09] <flagen2> same thing fedora did
[14:09] <leftyfb> flagen2: doesn't looks like it's crashing to me
[14:10] <flagen2> ok sorry
[14:10] <tomreyn> skinux:  which ot libs do yuo have installed? dpkg -l  | grep ^libqt
[14:10] <tomreyn> skinux:  which ot libs do yuo have installed? dpkg -l  | grep '^ii  libqt'
[14:10] <flagen2>  /exec -o
[14:10] <tomreyn> skinux:  which qt libs do yuo have installed? dpkg -l  | grep '^ii  libqt'
[14:10] <tomreyn> sorry
[14:10] <leftyfb> flagen2: why did you type: /exec -o ?
[14:11] <skinux> Okay the gist has the output
[14:12] <flagen2> WONDERING
[14:12] <leftyfb> flagen2: what can we help you with?
[14:13] <flagen2> well kubuntu totally crashed on me for no reason
[14:13] <tomreyn> skinux: i'd say ry removing all of them until you run into what appears to be a kde dependency
[14:13] <flagen2> just drops me to some shell
[14:13] <mouses> flagen2: a min ago you claimed to be using it right now
[14:13] <flagen2> so i have to reinstall now and again
[14:13] <tomreyn> skinux: ...that's unless you want to remove kde as well, in case it is installed.
[14:14] <leftyfb> flagen2: has it crashed since you installed what you're running right now?
[14:14] <acheronuk> skinux: you have one version of qt5 and one version of qt4, which is as it should be by default
[14:14] <flagen2> has happened with more than one distro now
[14:14] <leftyfb> flagen2: has it crashed since you installed what you're running right now?
[14:14] <flagen2> on this PC
[14:14] <flagen2> yeah
[14:15] <mouses> flagen2: The first things I would check would be - overheating and doing a RAM check
[14:15] <mouses> if you are crashing in many distros, I'd look to faulty hardware first.
[14:15] <flagen2> i do a ram check in the BIOS
[14:15] <flagen2> redhat used to do this to me
[14:16] <mouses> flagen2: might be worth cleaning out the fans and monitoring heat closely for a bit.
[14:16] <flagen2> what would it have to do with the hardware ?
[14:16] <felicra> what is the difference between apt-get install python-numpy and pip install numpy?
[14:16] <mouses> flagen2: Overheating hardware will cause crashes.
[14:17] <mouses> flagen2: but it's hard to really give much advice when all we have to go on is 'it totally crashed' xD
[14:17] <flagen2> im not saying it crashes when im running it im saying i try to reboot and it drops me to some init shell
[14:17] <mouses> ...
[14:17] <flagen2> so then u loose all ur files
[14:18] <compdoc> flagen2, does sound like your computer is failing. Ubuntu doesnt do that on its own
[14:18] <flagen2> fedora did the same thing
[14:19] <flagen2> only way to save my files would be to partition or another hdd
[14:19] <tomreyn> microcode update *could* cause this if updates to be installed were cherry picked.
[14:19] <oerheks> perform a memtest86 and fsck test
[14:19] <flagen2> ok whats the latest kernel
[14:19] <flagen2> sh: 1: proc: not found
[14:20] <skinux> Okay..well..I uninstalled qt4, it also uninstalled lubuntu-desktop-kde, however the DE didn't actually uninstall. Also, I can open LibreOffice now using the general launcher, but not the writer launcher.
[14:20] <tomreyn> flagen2: it's more likely that you just have faulty hardware then i'd say.
[14:20] <flagen2> Linux version 4.15.0-20-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-033) (gcc version 7.3.0 (Ubuntu 7.3.0-16ubuntu3)) #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 24 06:15:38 UTC 2018
[14:20] <flagen2> nope
[14:20] <flagen2> its not my hardware
[14:20] <tomreyn> april... long time ago.
[14:20] <flagen2> impossible
[14:20] <mouses> obvious trolling is obvious.
[14:20] <flagen2> redhat used to do it to me
[14:21] <compdoc> you dont know computers then
[14:21] <flagen2> Linux version 4.15.0-20-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-033) (gcc version 7.3.0 (Ubuntu 7.3.0-16ubuntu3)) #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 24 06:15:38 UTC 2018
[14:21] <flagen2> cat: invalid option -- 'a'
[14:21] <flagen2> Try 'cat --help' for more information.
[14:21] <flagen2> Linux flagenn 4.15.0-20-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 24 06:15:38 UTC 2018 i686 athlon i686 GNU/Linux
[14:21] <flagen2> hmm
[14:21] <flagen2> dont know shit
[14:21] <flagen2> got a powermac g4 here on the floor
[14:21] <ppf> and another one for the  /ignore list. it's one of those days ...
[14:21] <flagen2> needs a hdd and ram
[14:22] <mouses> ppf: it's been a weird thur morning
[14:22] <flagen2> lol ignore people
[14:22] <flagen2> yeah
[14:22] <ppf> maybe it's the full moon or something
[14:23] <flagen2> moon is in a strange position right now
[14:23] <flagen2> ooooooooo
[14:23] <flagen2> theyre coming
[14:24] <BluesKaj> full moon is waning, but still has some effect, especially today :-)
[14:38] <vincent_on_ubunt> hey ubuntu lovers
[14:38] <vincent_on_ubunt> just discovered IRC
[14:38] <vincent_on_ubunt> loving it
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> vincent_on_ubunt: welcome to the ubuntu community
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> vincent_on_ubunt: this channel is for ubuntu support questions, feel free to chat on #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:43] <ausjke> is there a website to share screenshot like pastebin for code snippets?
[14:43] <blackflow> ausjke: imgur
[14:44] <ausjke> thanks it works
[14:46] <ausjke> not really, still "saving", took +1 minutes to save my upload little image?
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> ausjke: imgur had recent issues, try tinypic perhaps?
[14:54] <e^1> after doing sudo apt-get update; getting following error https://bpaste.net/show/23ede7980573
[14:55] <ausjke> lotuspsychje: postimg.cc is the easiest after some quick trying
[14:56] <tomreyn> e^1: your computers' date + time will be wrong. weren't you here discussing the same issue some weeks ago?
[14:56] <sobersabre> ausjke: are you behind proxy? or any other "DLP" ?
[14:56] <ausjke> no just home pc behind the wifi ap
[14:56] <tomreyn> e^1: (sorry in case i'm mixing you up with someone else, mym meory is generally not very good)
[14:57] <sobersabre> ausjke: maybe your ISP is doing something nasty. or your AP
[14:57] <sobersabre> (I doubt maintenance occurs in bothe security.ubuntu.com and indonesia servers)
[14:57] <e^1> tomreyn: sadly not, it's fine not an issue :)
[14:58] <tomreyn> e^1: if you run "date -u" on a terminal, it should report something very close to this: "Thu Aug 30 14:57:41 UTC 2018" - is this what it says?
[14:58] <e^1> it says jul 11
[14:58] <e^1> how come date/time got reset
[14:58] <tomreyn> e^1: that's not exactly today's date ;)
[14:58] <e^1> :P
[14:59] <tomreyn> e^1: do you have network time synching enabled?
[14:59] <e^1> no, i  need to enable that..
[15:00] <tomreyn> e^1: which ubuntu release do you run there (run "lsb_release -ds" to tell the exact version), which kernel version (cat /proc/version)?
[15:00] <e^1> 18.04 LTS
[15:00] <mobile_c> where do i find the list of repositories on my distro
[15:01] <mobile_c> E: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-arm64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1360:8001::17 80]
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> !sources | mobile_c
[15:02] <sasho_> book
[15:02] <tomreyn> e^1: so this system is outdated, you should have 18.04.1 LTS by now if you updated regularly. but as you already discussed you can't upgrade currently. is this a desktop computer with a graphical frontend or a server?
[15:02] <tomreyn> sasho_: hmm?
[15:03] <e^1> it's a server, i am starting it after about a month i guess
[15:03] <sasho_> The Doctor’s Runaway Bride by Sarah Morgan
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> !support | sasho_
[15:04] <tomreyn> e^1: can you post the output of "timedatectl status" to a pastebin please
[15:04] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | e^1
[15:05] <tomreyn> e^1: also that of "systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service"
[15:06] <WiseMonk> Hello guys, I manage somehow to install my WiFi stick, but still buggs a lot, disconnects much. I didnt find out how to send a bug report about it, can someone send bug report for me?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> WiseMonk: did you not ask this last week?
[15:07] <e^1> tomreyn: https://bpaste.net/show/443969ae2d62
[15:07] <WiseMonk> yes
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> WiseMonk: any solutions came out of it?
[15:07] <WiseMonk> you told me to make bug report
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> WiseMonk: did you create it?
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> !bug | WiseMonk
[15:08] <WiseMonk> i was on the ubuntu webpage but didnt the button to send bug report
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> see the method suggested by pragmaticenigma ^
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> WiseMonk: You have to report the bug. As you must be involved with helping the support team in troubleshooting and identifying the source of the actual issue.
[15:09] <WiseMonk> yes half solution, it works already by unsing one of the drivers that (i think tomreyn) send me. but i have disconnect often and it doesnt reconnect automatically
[15:09] <tomreyn> e^1: okay, the time synchronization service is not running, we need to find out why. tell me once you've posted "systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service"
[15:09] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: did oyu mean to talk to pragmaticenigma ?
[15:09] <WiseMonk> and also I was trying to deactivate the build in WiFI, so it wont interfere with the WiFi stick, using "ip link set dev wlp4s0 down" wont work for me
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: i think its that stick with ralink chipset
[15:10] <e^1> tomreyn: this service was not enable
[15:10] <e^1> shouldn't it be enable by default ?
[15:10] <e^1> just after enabling this service the time got reset to the correct one
[15:10] <TBotNik> All: Anyone know how to clear "held" packages? I've tried 9 commands and nothing works! Having "held package" issues and desktop is gone on my laptop.  Writeup at:  https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5897979#post5897979.
[15:10] <tomreyn> e^1: i would think so, that's why i was asking for the full output
[15:11] <e^1> tomreyn: https://bpaste.net/show/e508d289a2fe
[15:11] <tomreyn> TBotNik: there are two methods, once preferred by apt, the other preferred by aptitude. apt understands them both, aptitude understands only its own.
[15:12] <tomreyn> s/once/one/
[15:12] <vapo971> hi
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> vapo971: welcome, how can we help you?
[15:13] <vapo971> lotuspsychje, thanks a lot I have been struggling with installing some dependencies for a software
[15:13] <tomreyn> e^1: so 'vendor preset: enabled' would tell you that it's normally on. it looks like someone who has administrative access to this system has manually disabled the service.
[15:13] <vapo971> im on ubuntu 15.10
[15:13] <vapo971> i keep getting this error
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> vapo971: 15.10 is end of life mate
[15:13] <tomreyn> 15.10 | vapo971
[15:13] <tomreyn> !15.10 | vapo971
[15:13] <WiseMonk> how can  I deacticvate wlp4s0 wifi?
[15:13] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Tried everything suggested from 10 HOWTOs and noting works.
[15:13] <TBotNik> Running: "dpkg --get-selected | grep hold" shows no packages held
[15:13] <e^1> tomreyn: i am the creator of this vm
[15:13] <e^1> they are vanila install
[15:14] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: rfkill is one option.
[15:14] <vapo971> do you reckon 16.04 will be any good
[15:14] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Running apt-get -f install fixes nothing
[15:14] <tomreyn> e^1: i dont know what else would cause it. maybe you chose not to enable network time synchronization during installation (but i think it defaults to on)
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> vapo971: you can choose an ubuntu version from the topic to install
[15:15] <TBotNik> vapo971: No! 16.04 is total trash! Bricked my computer and had to go back to 14.04 to get working again!
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> TBotNik: please dont spread general opinions like that here
[15:16] <tomreyn> TBotNik: dpkg: error: unknown option --get-selected << what made oyu think this would work?
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> TBotNik: Do not post opinions, this is a support channel. If you don't have something nice or constructive to provide, than please refrain from making any comments
[15:16] <TBotNik> vapo971: Writing up the problems as there are over 20 with that distro!
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> TBotNik: STOP!
[15:16] <ppf> TBotNik: it's --get-selections
[15:17] <TBotNik> ppf: Thnx! HOWTO had it written wrong so just did "cut-n-paste"! My Bad!
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> vapo971: You own experience with 16.04 will be different than other individuals. It is a supported release, and if you encounter any issues, you are welcome to come here for assistance in fixing them.
[15:17] <tomreyn> vapo971: the latest stable and long term release is 18.04(.1)
[15:18] <ppf> TBotNik: runnint that command would have told you the option doesn't exist though
[15:19] <vapo971> thanks a lot. Awesome support !!!
[15:19] <TBotNik> ppf: --get-selections | grep held shows nothing!
[15:19] <tomreyn> TBotNik: start by "apt-mark showhold"
[15:20] <TBotNik> tomreyn: That one also show nothing
[15:20] <WiseMonk> do I really have to read all this long page, before i can send bug?
[15:20] <tomreyn> for 'dpkg --get-selections', i think you need to grep for 'hold', not 'held', but that's just from memory.
[15:20] <tomreyn> TBotNik: ^
[15:21] <SwedeMike> using systemctl I have "openvpn.service" which autostarts a lot of (for example) "openvpn@tunnel-user1-30001.service". this works correctly. I have now created new openvpn configuration files, but I can't find the magic command to get systemctl to read these config files from /etc/openvpn/*.conf and generate these services. Help?
[15:21] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: did you try the 'ubuntu-bug' command as ubottu suggested?
[15:22] <WiseMonk> yes, but ubuntu-bug (from terminal) requires a package name, but its not about a package
[15:22] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I remember about 2 years back I had this problem where it was reporting "held" packages, with none held, so had to delete a file that got corrupted making the system think packages were held when none were.  Do you know that file?
[15:23] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: what is the problem you're trying to report?
[15:24] <mobile_c> how do i find out where the repo "http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-arm64/Packages" is located if not in the sources list
[15:24] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i've never heard of this, unless you're ferring to the "you have held or broken packages" message.
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> WiseMonk: You do not have to do the from terminal method. You can create one on the website directly
[15:24] <tomreyn> *referring
[15:25] <WiseMonk> tomreyn: TP-Link T2UH is not working out of the box on Ubuntu. Installing most drivers fail on the recent kernl/version. just one third party driver works but with bugs
[15:25] <Mathuin> Is it safe to assume Bluetooth support is generic now, that just about any Bluetooth receiver should be supported, or  do we need to figure out particular chipsets?
[15:25] <leftyfb> mobile_c: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> Mathuin: most bluetooth is supported without special cases.
[15:26] <mobile_c> im trying to remove repo's that return 404
[15:26] <mobile_c> eg "The requested URL /ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-arm64/Packages was not found on this server."
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> mobile_c: There is something wrong with your setup... You don't want to remove the primary Ubuntu repos
[15:27] <leftyfb> mobile_c: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
, I dont find the report bug button on Launchpad
[15:27] <leftyfb> mobile_c: Also, are you running an arm system?
[15:27] <Mathuin> pragmaticenigma: fingers crossed that the one I ordered from Amazon is caseless.  Thanks! :-)
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> WiseMonk: Step one... you need to have an account on Launchpad
[15:28] <tomreyn> TBotNik: so that's a feature request, unless it every worked in the past. you can still file a bug report against the driver package if any matching driver comes with ubuntu, or against "wireless-tools"
[15:28] <WiseMonk> i have
[15:29] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: so that's a feature request, unless it every worked in the past. you can still file a bug report against the driver package if any matching driver comes with ubuntu, or against "wireless-tools"
[15:29] <tomreyn> TBotNik: sorry, thi last one wasnt for you
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> WiseMonk: You didn't read the entire page that ubottu sent you... There is a section on that page on how to submit a bug when no particular package is to blame
[15:30] <TBotNik> tomreyn: So any ideas on my problem??
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> !bug | WiseMonk
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> WiseMonk: look for "Filing a general bug against no particular package"
[15:31] <mobile_c> mobile_c@Mobile-C:~/relpath$ wgetpaste /etc/apt/sources.list -C
[15:31] <mobile_c> Your paste can be seen here: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/ggHQtPF7ez9rT7tkpdiZ/
[15:31] <tomreyn> TBotNik: where did you read / what makes you think that the system thinks that you have held packages?
[15:32] <WiseMonk> tomreyn, but lotus told me to make a bug report about it.
[15:32] <WiseMonk> so should I do or not?
[15:32] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I says so when I'm trying install my desktop via: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[15:32] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: yes, why not.
[15:33] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: feature request / wishlist is a special kind of bug you can file, that's fine.
[15:33] <WiseMonk> ah ok
[15:34] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: i'm just pointing out that you should not expect an immediate fix if it never worked and thus it isn't broken.
[15:34] <TBotNik> tomreyn: See I wrote this up as was installing mysql and when synaptic ran on that install it showed the entire DT being removed, though I had not selected "remove" on  anything KDE, but it ripped it right out!
[15:35] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I tried remove on mysql thinking this might be the "held" package, but nothing!
[15:36] <tomreyn> TBotNik: it's uncommon to run a database server and a graphical desktop on the same computer, consider using lxd or virtualization.
[15:36] <leftyfb> mobile_c: nothing there about arm. Maybe you added something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[15:36] <NinjaKirby> If I start a system service and it hangs/fails, where/how can I chase up the errors (say, via log file)?
[15:36] <tomreyn> TBotNik: what you just said doesn't exactly explain what made you think that there are held paclahges, though
[15:36] <tomreyn> *packages
[15:36] <leftyfb> NinjaKirby: journalctl
[15:36] <mobile_c> cmd: total 0
[15:37] <mobile_c> mobile_c@Mobile-C:~/relpath$ ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[15:37] <mobile_c> total 0
[15:37] <NinjaKirby> leftyfb: I've just opened that, but it doesn't really tell me anything. I will just experiement a bit further to see if I can get "anything more out of it"
[15:37] <leftyfb> mobile_c: please use http://pastebin.ubuntu.com for multiple lines
[15:38] <tomreyn> TBotNik: this said, i would also not expect a dektop to be removed as the result of removing a database server. my guess is that you have 3rd party packages installed which interfere with your systems' apt dependency resolver.
[15:38] <leftyfb> mobile_c: then you should not be getting any errors about arm64 repos
[15:38] <mobile_c> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/OMLxRnQZqI5NpiD0bcT0/
[15:39] <ausjke> in 18.04 the open/save/close are now on the top of the window, anyway I can change it to the bottom part as it used to be in the last 20 years in X11?
[15:39] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Use phpmyadmin and mysql-workbench for the gui and had those install, but not working, so debug on mysql showed it kept aborting it's install.  I usually use cli or bash script  for all  installs,  but wasn't working so ran it in synaptic and then it installed, but the KDE unistall totally surprised me!
[15:39] <tomreyn> TBotNik: reading again, you said the desktop was removed when you installed the mysql server, but the same applies there, it should not have happened unless something's interfering with your dependency resolver.
[15:40] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Agree on that, but not encountered this before and all the cmd run do or say nothing!
[15:40] <tomreyn> TBotNik: when working with apt (this also applies to synaptic) before you apply any changes, be sure to review the planned actions before you apply them.
[15:41] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i don't know what you mean by "all the cmd run do or say nothing"
[15:41] <TBotNik> tomreyn: So not getting "held" packages from the commands and also not getting fixes, do  you know that file that gets corrupted when this occurs!
[15:42] <tomreyn> TBotNik: so you actually have no held packages now? since previously you stated you had been told you had some?
[15:43] <TBotNik> tomreyn: You and ppf gave me some, no messages or anything, just return to prompt!  Also the 9 cmds in the writeup again nothing
[15:44] <tomreyn> TBotNik: which writeup? also i'm afraid i won't be able to recall which caommds ppf and i gave you at some point.
[15:44] <TBotNik> tomreyn: The cmd: dpkg -l | grep -v "^ii" gives a list, but nothing shows broken or held
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[15:45] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Writeup at: www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/install-problems-4175637410/
[15:45] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i see. so dpkg does not state that you have held packages. so what does?
[15:46] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Only the install shows "held/broken" packages
[15:46] <tomreyn> TBotNik: "E: Unable to correct problems, you may have held broken packages." < ok, that's the message i meant earlier.
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> ausjke: did you check settings in gnome-tweak-tool?
[15:47] <tomreyn> TBotNik: this message generally means to point out that the dependency resolver is unable to resolve the situation. held or borken packages are two possible reasons for it, using third party packages which are not well integrated into your ubuntu version is another.
[15:48] <tomreyn> TBotNik:  you should run and show the output of all these commands you have listed on your first post.
[15:48] <NinjaKirby> leftyfb: My service was trolling me for the past hour, it's suddenly decided it wants to work again. Thanks for your help anyways.
[15:48] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I usually don't get stuck on things, but if I put up my "sources.list" on PB, would that help with the debugging?
[15:48] <mezod> Hello, I have a bash script under cron.weekly for which I'd like to control exactly when it should get executed. I have checked crontab and I see cron.weekly gets executed at 06:27 every monday. What would be a better solution, to change the time here, or to add a specific line below in crontab? the latter sounds better but what about if the script has multiple lines?
[15:48] <WiseMonk> according to the page, im supposed to open "run command" then type in "ubuntu-bug". How do I open "run command" in the 18.04?
[15:49] <leftyfb> mezod: put it in a crontab
[15:49] <tomreyn> TBotNik: pasting the output of "sudo apt-cache policy 2>&1" after a *successful* 'sudo apt-get update' run would be a good first step.
[15:49] <leftyfb> mezod: crontab -e # or sudo crontab -e # for root
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> WiseMonk: why dont you just ubuntu-bug network-manager as it concerns your wifi issue?
[15:50] <ausjke>  lotuspsychje: yes but in my experience it is not very reliable so I uninstalled it
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> ausjke: reliable?
[15:50] <ausjke> i now use gnome2(flashback) and hope all other default settings can be gnome2, after so many years still not used to ubuntu's own UI
[15:51] <mezod> leftyfb: crontab -e is some sort of gui for me to edit my crontab file right? can't I just edit it straight? (so it's easier to test)
[15:51] <leftyfb> mezod: it's the proper way to do it. It uses your default editor
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> ausjke: then try dconf-editor to tweak your system
[15:51] <ausjke> i should say "not very useful" for my cases after some tweaking
[15:52] <leftyfb> mezod: It should default to nano if you haven't set your default editor. If you haven't set it and don't like nano, use this to configure your default editor: sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[15:52] <ausjke> for the gnome-tweak-tool that is, have not used dconf-editor with 18.04 yet
[15:52] <mobile_c> what about apt-repository-add
[15:52] <mobile_c> what files would it modify
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> !info dconf-tools | ausjke
[15:52] <leftyfb> mobile_c: files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[15:52] <mobile_c> ;-;
[15:52] <mezod> leftyfb: it allows me to choose nano, which is fine, I just wonder how will I be able to edit it later on since crontab -e seems to be to create a new script (it doesn't show what's already on contrab)
[15:53] <mezod> crontab*
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> mobile_c: explain what you are trying to do please?
[15:53] <leftyfb> mezod: it does show what's in your crontab
[15:54] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: they were getting errors from some arm64 repo during apt update. But there seems to be no entries for arm64 in sources.list and according to their ls, nothing in sources.list.d either
[15:54] <mezod> leftyfb: hmm should it show the defaults? like when to execute cron.daily and cron.weekly? because it's empty, I just get some info on how crontab works
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: ah tnx
[15:54] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -R "arm64" /etc/apt/sources.list*
[15:54] <leftyfb> mezod: no
[15:55] <mobile_c> i want to get make "E: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-arm64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1560:8001::11 80]" go away
[15:55] <mezod> leftyfb: ok, this must be it then!
[15:55] <leftyfb> mezod: you should just concern yourself with your crontabs and not worry about the system stuff in the weekly and daily
[15:55] <mobile_c> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/P579ddoZZGBxIkJcCIve/
[15:56] <leftyfb> mobile_c: no need to paste the output if there's no output
[15:56] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -R "arm64" /etc/apt
[15:56] <mobile_c> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/QR2mffBy8ZoW87KUM0B7/
[15:57] <mobile_c> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/N71rMi7xwupCDoszK3L4/
[15:58] <leftyfb> mobile_c: uname -m
[15:58] <leftyfb> mobile_c: post the output here. It's only 1 line
[15:58] <mobile_c> this is the output from apt update https://paste.pound-python.org/show/N71rMi7xwupCDoszK3L4/
[15:58] <mobile_c> cmd: x86_64
[15:58] <mobile_c> cmd: Linux Mobile-C 4.15.0-33-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 15 16:00:05 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:58] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Will take a while as will have to run with pipe to output file, then insert flash, mount, copy and then bring to this machine to put online!
[15:59] <leftyfb> mobile_c: your paste pastebin wasn't from the update
[15:59] <oerheks> mobile_c, still that proxy errors??
[15:59] <leftyfb> wait, proxy?
[15:59] <oerheks> dunno, wait for the real paste
[16:00] <mobile_c> http://bpaste.net/show/932afa207211
[16:00] <oerheks> he got help with that, earlier*
[16:00] <Kashi> Please HELP. Since upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 ubuntu my memory card reader samsung pro 64gb is not recognized by my ASUS K56CA Laptop.
[16:00] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -Rl "arm64" /etc/ 2>/dev/null
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> Kashi: system up to date?
[16:01] <ausjke> in 
[16:01] <leftyfb> Anyone know how I can find out of these patches exist on my system? https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=baf41bc35f2bdb953da532645fd82009c2d12acf
[16:01] <mobile_c> http://bpaste.net/show/e52e9eeed67f
[16:02] <leftyfb> mobile_c: what are you doing with /etc/dpkg-cross/cross-config.arm64 ?
[16:02] <leftyfb> mobile_c: were you trying to cross-compile for arm64?
[16:03] <compdoc> If you have a static ip etc, defined in /etc/network/interfaces, does the upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 convert that stuff to netplan?
[16:03] <mobile_c> yes
[16:03] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo apt remove --purge dpkg-cross # that will remove the cross compiling package(s) that will stop those errors
[16:03] <Kashi> lotuspsychje: it is up to date as far as i know.
[16:04] <Kashi> lotuspsychje: is there a way i can make sure it is 100% uptodate?
[16:04] <leftyfb> compdoc: I'm pretty sure the upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 keeps ifupdown and doesn't bother with netplan
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> Kashi: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:05] <mobile_c> i still get 404
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> Kashi: after that could you tail -f /var/log/syslog and enter your memory card, then hastebin us the output?
[16:05] <leftyfb> mobile_c: for arm64 repos?
[16:05] <mobile_c> https://bpaste.net/show/91c0f02a5ea8
[16:05] <mobile_c> yup
[16:05] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -Rl "arm64" /etc/ 2>/dev/null
[16:06] <mobile_c> http://bpaste.net/show/d417f1285cd5
[16:06] <tomreyn> TBotNik: or just bring the system itself online if that's an option.
[16:07] <via> has anyone seen some large slowdowns from a recent kernel update for ubuntu 14.04? i'm guessing some spectre related stuff in the kernel 3.13.0 -153 to -157
[16:07] <Kashi> lotuspsychje: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:07] <via> specifically a decrease in cpu but an increase in load avg
[16:07] <via> for the same workload
[16:07] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -l arm64 /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> Kashi: great!
[16:08] <mobile_c> http://bpaste.net/show/db2a3b87a90a
[16:09] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*au.archive.ubuntu.com* ; sudo apt update
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> !kpti | via
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> via: see also !usn and keep your system(s) up to date to latest
[16:12] <via> this isn't kpti, that was ages ago
[16:13] <via> but it looks to me that ubuntu hasn't included any bcbs patches in 14.04?
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[16:13] <via> thats the only that has happened since .153 afaict
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[16:14] <via> to be clear, i'm specifically asking about between kernels 3.13.0-153.203 and 3.13.0-157.207
[16:14] <leftyfb> mobile_c: all fixed?
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[16:14] <via> i'm looking at the changelog
[16:14] <mobile_c> no ;-;
[16:14] <via> i'm asking if anyone else has experienced issues
[16:15] <mobile_c> https://bpaste.net/show/510ed97a7873
[16:16] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -l arm64 /var/lib/apt/lists/* 2>/dev/null | xargs sudo rm
[16:19] <mobile_c> https://bpaste.net/show/65b002f9e3c3
[16:20] <ft_> Hi! I have a strange litte problem on my ubuntu 18.04. My hdd is in sleep and gets waken up by some process in my absence. I used blktrace (see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YSF9ynmwcp/) to find out what process that used to be, but sadly all pid's i got from blktrace are not used any more. It seems to be there is a find command working, question is to which parent process might this belog to, any guess? I already configured updatedb.conf to ignore
[16:20] <ft_>  the mountpoint of my drive. Thx for any kind of support!
[16:22] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*  && sudo apt update
[16:28] <mobile_c> i just did that ._.
[16:29] <leftyfb> mobile_c: you deleted all of them and updated and still the same issue?
[16:29] <mobile_c> yup
[16:30] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -l arm64 /var/lib/apt/lists/* 2>/dev/null
[16:30] <leftyfb> does that still show results?
[16:32] <mobile_c> yes cus it just REDOWNLOADS to that directory upon apt update
[16:32] <leftyfb> mobile_c: there's some config somewhere on your machine still insisting on downloading arm packages. You should go through the changes you made for your cross compiling and find out which one made the change, where
[16:34] <mobile_c> i have no idea
[16:36] <hggdh> Tin^man: consider using SASL to login to freenode before joing any channels
[16:36] <leftyfb> mobile_c: go back to the instructions you used to install all the cross compiling stuff
[16:37] <mobile_c> idk what i installed
[16:38] <leftyfb> mobile_c: Then I would reinstall from scratch and don't install things without knowing what they are or how to use them or how to revert
[16:38] <mobile_c> how do i purge apt itself and ALL related programs to apt, then re install it
[16:39] <leftyfb> mobile_c: you don't
[16:40] <mobile_c> why
[16:40] <leftyfb> mobile_c: It will be a lot cleaner, quicker and easier for you to reinstall from scratch then to go down that rabbit hole
[16:41] <ash_worksi> I know this is OT, but does anyone know a way to check the configuration of php-fpm of the running master process?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, he could use dpkg to reinstall apt, or is install so brken that a 'clean ' is the best option
[16:44] <leftyfb> BluesKaj: I doubt verymuch reinstall apt is going to make any difference
[16:44]  * BluesKaj nods
[16:45]  * mobile_c purges apt
[16:46] <mobile_c> how do i re install apt
[16:46] <mobile_c> using dpkg
[16:47] <leftyfb> :/
[16:48] <oerheks> fresh install takes 30 minutes, your issue is going on for hours now
[16:49] <mobile_c> but all my programs will be lost ;-;
[16:49] <mobile_c> and all my firefox bookmarks and sesssions ;-;
[16:49] <pragmaticenigma> ash_worksi: If you know something is going to be off-topic... why do you still ask it? Go to the php channel
[16:50] <leftyfb> mobile_c: not if you restore from your backup of your home directory
[16:50] <oerheks> mobile_c, if you had no backup already, your data is not important
[16:50] <mobile_c> o.o
[16:50] <leftyfb> mobile_c: All of your programs can be installed in about 5 minutes
[16:50] <leftyfb> or lesss
[16:50] <mobile_c> nope
[16:50] <leftyfb> nope?
[16:51] <leftyfb> mobile_c: what's "nope"?
[16:51] <mobile_c> arm-apple/* takes AGES to install
[16:51] <mobile_c> arm-apple-* *
[16:51] <leftyfb> and you wonder why you're having issues
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[16:52] <leftist> afternoon. i inadvertantly turned on the speech module that speaks everythin on the screen.  Where do i disable this?
[16:52] <nacc> leftist: accessibility settings, i think
[16:52] <mobile_c> how can i install via a chroot
[16:53] <leftist> let me check again nacc
[16:53] <leftyfb> mobile_c: it sounds like you want to make things very much worse. Good luck
[16:53] <cognition> what is the default mail application for ubuntu? sendmail/postfix?
[16:53] <nacc> cognition: those are MTAs
[16:53] <leftyfb> cognition: neither of those are installed by default
[16:53] <nacc> cognition: i don't think are installed by default
[16:53] <mobile_c> as i have / binded to /KDE-Neon/mnt
[16:53] <nacc> mobile_c: it sounds like you are doing a whole bunch of unsupported things
[16:53] <oerheks> leftist, orca short  key alt super s
[16:54] <WiseMonk> rfkill block ... will turn off or on both my WiFi connection at the same time. How can I disable just one connection?
[16:54] <leftist> oerheks not sure what the super s is?
[16:54] <leftyfb> WiseMonk: network manager
[16:54] <nacc> WiseMonk: it depends on whether the devices can be stopped separetely
[16:55] <oerheks> super/windows key
[16:55] <nacc> WiseMonk: look at the `rfkill list` output
[16:55] <WiseMonk> the list shows only one think for WiFi
[16:56] <WiseMonk> but I have a built-in WiFi and a WiFi-Stick
[16:56] <leftist> ahh that did it oerheks thanks
[16:56] <nacc> WiseMonk: wifi-stick as in usb?
[16:56] <WiseMonk> i want to disable only the built-in, to check if the stick will work better then
[16:56] <WiseMonk> yes in USB
[16:56] <mobile_c> how do i fix this
[16:56] <mobile_c> W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file '//apt_1.2.27_amd64.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
[16:56] <mobile_c> im running in a chroot
[16:57] <nacc> WiseMonk: hrm; and when you rfkill block, why not just specify the builtin device only?
[16:57] <leftyfb> mobile_c: cross-compiling to iOS is not supported here and the mess that you make trying to do so is putting your system into a state that becomes pretty unsupportable. I would recommend reinstalling from scratch and using maybe an lxc container or some sort of VM that you can snapshot before making those sorts of changes so you can revert when things go wrong. Since you apparently aren't capable of taking notes or understanding what exactly it
[16:57] <leftyfb> is you're doing
[16:58] <WiseMonk> i did rfkill block 0, that blocked both
[16:58]  * mobile_c does sudo dpkg --install /KDE-Neon/apt_1.2.27_amd64.deb
[16:59] <leftyfb> mobile_c: At this point, I think your system is in a pretty unsupportable state and I would cease to post about it here until you reinstall from scratch.
[16:59] <WiseMonk> i dont know how to specify one of them
[17:00] <WiseMonk> ip link set dev ... down doesnt seem to work for me somehow
[17:00] <WiseMonk> i dont know why
[17:00] <nacc> WiseMonk: well, if rfkill doesn't indicate it can be done, then it can't...
[17:00] <nacc> WiseMonk:  be more specific than 'doesnt seem to work'. use a pastebin
[17:01] <mobile_c> how do i see all files owned by x package
[17:02] <nacc> mobile_c: dpkg -L or apt-file list
[17:02] <nacc> mobile_c: but seriously, stop hacking at your system, or at least stop asking about it here.
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[17:03] <blackflow> Pici: +r ?
[17:03] <blackflow> (on the chan)
[17:03] <Pici> blackflow: unregistered users cannot join
[17:03] <blackflow> ah, it already. is, sorry.
[17:03] <Pici> I just set it a moment ago ;)
[17:04] <blackflow> Pici: yeah yeah, didn't see it was added, though you just kicked the spammer.
[17:04] <blackflow> :)
[17:04] <mobile_c> how can i filter show it only shows files
[17:06] <nacc> mobile_c: i'm not sure you can. good luck to you.
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> mobile_c: Your machine is in a state that is no longer supportable by this channel. Your best option is to wipe your machine and actually find resources on how to achieve the goal of what you're attempting to do. Start with, when compiling applications for a different environment (cross compiling) you don't make changes to your local system... ever.
[17:20] <mobile_c> it seems to be back to normal except i now get this
[17:20] <mobile_c>   The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32
[17:21] <mobile_c> https://bpaste.net/show/5913d64527d1
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> mobile_c: Your machine is in a state that is no longer supportable by this channel. Your best option is to wipe your machine and actually find resources on how to achieve the goal of what you're attempting to do. Start with, when compiling applications for a different environment (cross compiling) you don't make changes to your local system... ever.
[17:28] <mobile_c> nah, ill recover it somehow lol
[17:30] <Haris> hello al
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> welcome Haris what can we do for you?
[17:32] <Haris> I have a 14.x instance on Amazon. added a new partition to it. needed to move mysql datadir there. updated /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld file with the new path with the same spec as mentioned for /var/lib/mysql. but when I try to start or restart mysql it doesn't start. gives error in syslog
[17:32] <Haris> I restarted apparmor after that change. do I need to update apparmor profile via another command around that restart ?
[17:32] <navy_seal9614> Hello, how can I diagnose my system (Gnome3.28/ubuntu18.04) becoming completely unresponsive after I lock the screen (Super + L) and let the monitor go black?
[17:33] <Haris> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mZVghJr2tt/
[17:33] <Haris> this is snippet from syslog
[17:33] <Haris> this happened to me on two instances/machines/VMs
[17:33] <Haris> where did I go wrong or what did I miss ?
[17:34] <Haris> guys, anyone around ?
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | Haris
[17:35] <TBotNik> tomreyn: OK, got it done! Paste at: https://pastebin.com/0U9bgSBC
[17:35] <Haris> I'm hurrying because I have a team of people waiting for me to go home. its near midnight. I don't want to keep them at work more than I have to
[17:35] <Squall5668> Haris: if someone can help you, they will. Just give it some time. You didn't forget any ',' in your apparmor profile right? Check the mysql logs
[17:35] <Haris> waiting for me to finish, to then they could finish, so that we could all go home
[17:36] <Haris> ok
[17:36] <Haris> re-checkign
[17:36] <Haris> re-checking+
[17:36] <Haris>   /var/lib/mysql/** rwk,
[17:36] <Haris>   /mnt/fin-merch-db/mysql/ r,
[17:36] <Haris>   /mnt/fin-merch-db/mysql/** rwk,
[17:36] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I created a bash script that ran all the cmds and set section markers for each so you can find each!
[17:36] <tomreyn> !paste | Haris
[17:36] <Haris> the last two lines are the ones I added, in between, after the spec for the default datadir
[17:36] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: This is a volunteer channel. If you are being paid to support something, this is not the place to ask. You're getting paid for your services, we're not... seems rather unfair, don't you think
[17:37] <Haris> ok
[17:37] <Haris> this is not for paid thing
[17:37] <Haris> this is a problem I'm facing in my work
[17:37] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: You're not understanding... you said this is for work... which implies you receive compensation from your employer
[17:38] <navy_seal9614> Haris: have you looked intro the mysql logs?
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: Also, it would imply that you have a service plan from Amazon... you should be reaching out to their help desk for support
[17:38] <Haris> yes. I'v pasted my syslog
[17:38] <Haris> correction: haven't looked into mysql log yet. only syslog
[17:38] <Squall5668> Haris: that looks correct, your issue seems to be unrelated to apparmor. Still you can disable apparmor and retry. And as I said before, check the mysql logs
[17:38] <mobile_c> ffs i still get arm64
[17:39] <tomreyn> TBotNik: good, but you should have posted the script as well. always supply in- and output.  i guess this time it'llbe fine, though.
[17:39] <Haris> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dspB7KgydP/
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | mobile_c
[17:40] <navy_seal9614> Haris: it looks like some kind of permission error
[17:40] <Squall5668> Haris: are your permissions correct?
[17:42] <tomreyn> TBotNik: can you discuss why you don't have an internet connection on this computer while i'm looking at your paste?
[17:42] <Haris> checking
[17:43] <Haris> yes, mysql:mysql is owner of /mnt/fin-merch-db/mysql
[17:43] <Squall5668> yes but can it get there?
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> Is it the owner of everything inside as well?
[17:44] <Haris> yes. the rest is root:root with 755 all around, as per default
[17:44] <Squall5668> also what pragmaticenigma said ofc
[17:44] <Haris> pragmaticenigma: its an empty dir, created on a freshly formatted separate partition
[17:44] <Haris> for datadir
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: There's your problem
[17:45] <Haris> ?
[17:45] <TBotNik> I do or did have, but network-manager is purged and running wicd instead!
[17:45] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I do or did have, but network-manager is purged and running wicd instead!
[17:45] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: MySQL is looking for it's table files there, including the default ones that are created on install. if the /mnt/fin-merch-db/mysql directory is empty, it's not going to run. The error message thrown is misleading
[17:46] <Haris> that one went over me
[17:46] <TBotNik> tomreyn:
[17:46] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i see. but apparently wicd didn't bring you online either?
[17:46] <Haris> ah. so I have to run mysql_upgrade for the first time ?
[17:46] <Haris> usually it updates or re-creates those files/folders?
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: No
[17:46] <TBotNik> was wifi, but can run wired!  finding cables now!
[17:46] <m_i_k_e> Haris: the owner/user account should be recursive down the directory.
[17:47] <tomreyn> TBotNik: heh, well, i'd done this first of all.
[17:47] <Haris> m_i_k_e: its an empty, fresh, new dir. there's nothing there yet
[17:47] <Haris> hmm
[17:47] <Squall5668> you should either mysqld --initialize or copy /var/lib/mysql to your new directory
[17:47] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: Mysql was already installed, the scripts run during install create the tables needed... Your original message implied that you moved the MySQL datafiles to a new directory. take what was in /var/lib/mysql and place it in the new folder
[17:48] <m_i_k_e> ^^ beat me to it (both)
[17:48] <Haris> do I need to do that ?
[17:48] <TBotNik> tomreyn: No it's connected show per "ifconfig" and can ping per "ping -c www.google.com" and get responses!
[17:48] <mobile_c> where does apt obain its list of archetectures from, as if i do "echo "deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted" > sources.list" it attempts to download amd64, i386, and arm64
[17:49] <Haris> I was hopign not to
[17:49] <Squall5668> If your friends still want to go home, yeah
[17:49] <tomreyn> TBotNik: right, apprently it can, so it's alctualy online and you could just use !pastebinit to post more output
[17:49] <TBotNik> tomreyn: What made you think it's not connected?
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: That makes no sense, hoping not to have to do it... without the hive files... what is MySQL going to store its data to?
[17:50] <tomreyn> TBotNik: you mentioned you'd need to attach a usb storage, write the output of those commands to a file, copy the file to the storage, move the storage to another computer and post it from there.
[17:50] <Haris> usually on centos, on a service restart, mysql checks for its "default" files/folders and if non-existent, it re-creates them, without the need for any further stuff
[17:50] <Haris> I was hoping it'd have the same affect on ubuntu
[17:51] <tomreyn> TBotNik: there's no reason to do so unless you lack internet connectivity
[17:51] <Haris> I'm going to change innodb parametter to file_per_tbl strategy
[17:51] <Haris> I wanted for mysql to start fresh with that setting
[17:51] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Yes I'm working here via my server.  It's the laptop that is down!
[17:51] <m_i_k_e> Haris: it will do this with any Linux distro.  you can create a symbolic link to the new directory.
[17:51] <m_i_k_e> *saves changing configuration files*
[17:51] <tomreyn> TBotNik: what do you mean by "down"?
[17:52] <Haris> in this case, as per docs I read, they discourage soft-linking of datadir, for pitfalls
[17:52] <Haris> soft-linking original or default datadir to new custom datadir
[17:52] <mobile_c> i do remember doing this tho https://github.com/multiarch/crossbuild/blob/master/Dockerfile
[17:52] <Squall5668> symlinks are indeed the way to go. And because it WONT recreate the files, you'll know if the mount failed
[17:52] <mobile_c> dpkg --add-architecture arm64
[17:53] <mobile_c> maybe that is what causes it
[17:53] <tomreyn> TBotNik: is 'the laptop' the system you are trying to fix, and what https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/install-problems-4175637410/ is about? if so, is the laptop still bootable? if so, can the laptop still get online?
[17:53] <TBotNik> tomreyn: The laptop is the one with the problem where KDE desktop was removed and won't reinstall
[17:53] <pragmaticenigma> mobile_c: Please stop monologuing
[17:54] <VitoG> does ubuntu have a website which shows which laptop models it works with
[17:54] <tomreyn> TBotNik: thanks, you answered 1 of 3 questions. these reamin: is the laptop still bootable? if so, can the laptop still get online?
[17:54] <mobile_c> and apt update now works again after doing dpkg --remove-architecture arm64
[17:54] <TBotNik> tomreyn: The laptop is the one showing the held packages.  I even rebooted a few times cause sometimes that clears these things!
[17:55] <tomreyn> TBotNik: okay, that's 2 of 3 answers, please keep going.
[17:55] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I working cli on "F1" and "F2", but since the desktop in removed can not get X-win at all!
[17:56] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i understand so much. is the laptop still able to communicate with the internet?
[17:56] <tomreyn> TBotNik: the output you posted suggests it is
[17:56] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Yes, but is cli only!
[17:56] <Haris> worked with those default files
[17:57] <tomreyn> TBotNik: thats ok. so you said you're working from the 'server' instead, is this also without a graphical desktop then?
[17:57] <m_i_k_e> Haris: great!
[17:58] <Haris> its a bad thing to depend on those files
[17:58] <Haris> though
[17:58] <Haris> a restart should simply read config, re-generate those files/folders
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: softlinks are discouraged from a performance standpoint. MySQL tries to minimize the number of files open at the same time, as the OS has a limit to the number of file handles being open at one time. It's also why file-per-table is not recommended as well
[17:58] <Haris> this means, no one can run a fresh installed mysql server on ubuntu without having those files
[17:59] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Server is Kubuntu 14.04 LTS as are all my machines
[17:59] <mobile_c> whats a softlink
[17:59] <tomreyn> TBotNik: are the server and desktop on the same network now?
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: Not true, apt and apt-get run scripts in a "scripted order" to create a default setup. Your desire to step out of that doesn't mean Ubuntu implentation is broken, you are choosing an alternate setup.
[17:59] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Yup
[17:59] <tomreyn> TBotNik: are you able to connect to the desktop from the server using ssh?
[18:00] <Squall5668> Haris: ending up with an empty database after a failed mount can be quite a scary experience, trust me
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> Squall5668: That isn't the scenario
[18:00] <Haris> ok, so re-installing mysql would give me those files. but a server software restart won't
[18:00] <m_i_k_e> Haris: config doesn't keep file information, just settings.  no programs would run without files.
[18:00] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Server is 2 monitor Dell T3400 with 1TB main drive and 3TB data drive
[18:00] <Haris> Squall5668: that case is only for those who want a fresh start
[18:00] <Haris> not otherwise
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: You are manually changing the config, that means you need to also manually move the files around to match the new settings.
[18:01] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Laptop is Aspire 7739 with 1.5TB drive
[18:01] <tomreyn> TBotNik: the reason i'm asking all these questions is because i'll want to you post more output from the laptop, and i want to make it as easy as possible for you. the easiest way will be to connect from the 'server' to the laptop via ssh , or to  work directly on the laptop
[18:02] <Haris> that's not what I meant. I changed the config. but I want to use the file per tbl strategy. those files are by default implemented with the non-file-per-tbl strategy. the point is to loose them and have them freshly generated as per new config
[18:02] <tomreyn> TBotNik: which one do you prefer?
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: MySQL doesn't have the ability to know that it was first located in /var/lib/mysql and now it's in a new directory and needs to move or create. It has no memory of what happend before.
[18:02] <Haris> true
[18:02] <Haris> but it does have those files it generated
[18:03] <Haris> using previous config
[18:03] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Worst case I image my server main drive and drop the image back onto the Laptop HD.  Had just backed up to the Server so all files secure!
[18:03] <Haris> there may be chance of pitfall
[18:03] <Haris> for files/folders not generated through file per tbl strategy
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: They are located in the original storage directory... your new storage directory is empty, that's why it failes
[18:03] <tomreyn> TBotNik: ok, but you are again not answering my questions :-/
[18:03] <nacc> Haris: mysql doesn't know about 'old config' or 'new config'
[18:03] <TBotNik> tomreyn: OK will try ssh!
[18:03] <nacc> Haris: it knows about the config it was started with. That's the point of config files.
[18:04] <nacc> Haris: you seem to be ascribing *way* more state to software than is appropriate
[18:04] <scwizard> How would I go about installing a ubuntu 16 package in ubuntu 18?
[18:04] <scwizard> specifically libpng12-dev
[18:04] <tomreyn> TBotNik: so unless you already run an ssh server on the laptop, you should run "sudo apt install openssh-server" on the laptop now.
[18:04] <nacc> scwizard: you shouldn't do that.
[18:04] <scwizard> nacc: i know but it's a dependency of a build, so i need the library
[18:05] <nacc> scwizard: if you really need that development library, run 16.04 (no such thing as 16) in a container or vm.
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> nacc: Haris' issue is because they assume MySQL built like CentOS which will auto create missing "mysql" schema hive files ...
[18:05] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: sad.
[18:05] <tomreyn> TBotNik: once this is done you can then connect from the 'server' to the laptop using ssh, authenticating as a user which exists on the laptop.
[18:05] <scwizard> nacc: if that's not practical what other options are there?
[18:05] <scwizard> installing it from source is one
[18:05] <scwizard> are there any other ways?
[18:05] <nacc> scwizard: why is it not practical?
[18:05] <nacc> scwizard: there are any number of unsupported ways, but this is the support channel.
[18:05] <tomreyn> TBotNik: do you think you can do this?
[18:05] <Haris> hmm
[18:06] <scwizard> nacc: the docker image I'm using for CI (pusion/baseimage) upgraded to 18
[18:06] <scwizard> nacc: I could freeze the version of that I'm using, but that's not maintainable in the lon term
[18:06] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I was afraid the install would not work, because of the previous errors but it worked
[18:06] <nacc> scwizard: ... why not use 16.04?
[18:06] <nacc> scwizard: if it's a docker image, i mean
[18:07] <nacc> scwizard: and again, no "18", no "16"
[18:07] <scwizard> nacc: I'd need to stick with an old version of the docker image, which isn't maintainable in the long term
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: What CentOS develoeprs choose to do is different than what Ubuntu (possibly Debian) developers did. Either case, the issue as it exists right now is that you will have to create your default files using the tools provided.
[18:07] <Haris> yep, it is
[18:08] <scwizard> so what's the least worst way of installing libpng12-dev on ubuntu 18?
[18:08] <nacc> scwizard: ... what?
[18:08] <scwizard> *18.04
[18:08] <nacc> scwizard: 16.04 is supported for a few years still
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: at the same time, I'm recommending against the file-per-table approach. as you will reach OS locks much faster from having too many file handles open. Which is also why I'm suggesting a move of the original files from the /var/lib/mysql to it's new home
[18:08] <nacc> scwizard: and you are using *old* software to build.
[18:08] <nacc> scwizard: so i feel like thjis a problem of your own making
[18:09] <scwizard> nacc: yes but pusion/baseimage v0.10.2 doesn't have the same support lifecycle
[18:09] <scwizard> nacc: problem for that is upstream...
[18:09] <tomreyn> TBotNik: right, your paste suggested that it should be generally possible to install software.
[18:09] <scwizard> a depend of a depend ya know
[18:09] <nacc> scwizard: so your question is really for the upstream, not for ubuntu.
[18:09] <tomreyn> TBotNik: so are you connected to your laptotop from your 'server' via ssh already?
[18:10] <nacc> scwizard: the Docker image you are using isn't capable of building the software you want.
[18:10] <scwizard> you're being ridiculous mate
[18:10] <nacc> scwizard: have a nice day.
[18:10] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: otherwise, you will only need to run the "sudo mysqld --initialize --user=mysql" to create the core mysql files as was mentioned earlier
[18:10] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Server is giving error: "Name or service not known"
[18:11] <TBotNik> tomreyn: SSH is installed, so what????
[18:11] <tomreyn> TBotNik: connect by ip address. 'ip a' on the laptop will show its ip address.
[18:11] <tomreyn> TBotNik: ssh server or client is installed, and where? you need to be more precise in what you say, i can't watch over your shoulder.
[18:11] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Cmd is: ssh IPAdd -l $USER
[18:12] <tomreyn> TBotNik: yes, that's fine
[18:12] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Installed on both! But don't know how to verify!
[18:13] <Haris> I'v extracted a db dump from 5.5.61 on one 14.x Amazon instance to import in another freshly insatlled one. I'm getting error while importing on create table query. lol
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> scwizard: volunteers are trying to help you here, no reason to start argue?
[18:14] <tomreyn> TBotNik: so when you run this on the 'server' - "ssh ip-address-of-laptop -l username-on-laptop" - that you get an error message of "Name or service not known"
[18:14] <tomreyn> ?
[18:15] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I was able to ssh from laptop to server, but not the other way!
[18:15] <scwizard> lotuspsychje: lol
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> scwizard: be professional, take the advice
[18:16] <tomreyn> TBotNik: what happens when you try to ssh, with the above command, from the 'server' to the laptop?
[18:16] <TBotNik> tomreyn: OK, found my problem and now have ssh from server to the laptop!
[18:17] <tomreyn> TBotNik: what was the problem, in case it will happen again?
[18:17] <TBotNik> tomreyn: What do you want me to do now?
[18:17] <tomreyn> TBotNik: to answer my question, please.
[18:18] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Fat fingered a "," in instead of "." in the ip address
[18:18] <TBotNik> tomreyn: which Q?
[18:18] <tomreyn> TBotNik: exactly that question you just answered
[18:18] <tomreyn> TBotNik: okay. do you have the 'pastebinit' command available on the laptop?
[18:19] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Checking as not sure!
[18:20] <kermyt> is there a way to downgrade a package like freetype via the regular repository?
[18:20] <nacc> kermyt: downgrading isn't really a supported operation
[18:20] <nacc> kermyt: you can use dpkg to do it manually, and if multiple versions are available (e.g., from PPAs, etc.) you can do it with apt
[18:20] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Wasn't there so installing!
[18:20] <TBotNik> OK Ready!
[18:21] <tomreyn> TBotNik: as soon as pastebinit is installed on the laptop, run this command on the laptop by copying and pasting it from your irc client: pastebinit <( sudo apt-get update 2>&1; sudo apt-get --assume-no -V install kubuntu-desktop 2>&1 )
[18:21] <tomreyn> TBotNik: as soon as pastebinit is installed on the laptop, run this command on the laptop by copying and pasting it from your irc client: pastebinit <( sudo apt-get update 2>&1; sudo apt-get --assume-no -V install kubuntu-desktop 2>&1 ; )
[18:21] <kermyt> my old 16.x LTS pushed me to upgrade to 18.4 and the freetype version has create a bug for me. the reported solution is do downgrade to libfreetype2.7
[18:21] <tomreyn> sorry, was missing a ; there
[18:22] <tomreyn> TBotNik: if you were already running the former command, run run the second one afterwards.
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> kermyt: you have the bug report url?
[18:22] <kermyt> https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43715 lotuspsychje
[18:23] <TBotNik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6hWWWt2Vp9/
[18:23] <nacc> kermyt: the fix is in wine
[18:23] <nacc> kermyt: are you using the 18.04 wine?
[18:23] <kermyt> no I am using the wine from wineHQ
[18:24] <nacc> kermyt: then that's a problem
[18:24] <kermyt> I will revert to native wine
[18:24] <kermyt> thank you
[18:24] <kermyt> ohoh
[18:24] <kermyt> wait
[18:24] <nacc> kermyt: i would try that first, what version of wine do you have from winehq?
[18:24] <TBotNik> tomreyn: 2nd?
[18:24] <tomreyn> TBotNik: so there we finally have the actual error message. ;)
[18:24] <kermyt> no this is eveonline. the launcher downloads a custom wine package from CCP
[18:24] <nacc> kermyt: then that's the problem
[18:24] <tomreyn> TBotNik: ignore '2nd'
[18:24] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Yes!
[18:24] <nacc> kermyt: buggy software
[18:25] <kermyt> that's not a thing I can change though
[18:25] <kermyt> the libfreetype version is
[18:25] <nacc> kermyt: i mean, you can not use eveonline
[18:25] <kermyt> that's not a helpful suggestion
[18:25] <tomreyn> TBotNik: what's the http address returned by: apt-cache policy 2>&1 | pastebinit
[18:25] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I tried running installs on the list one at a time but just get errors
[18:25] <nacc> kermyt: i don't think there is any easy way to downgrade your libfreetype without possibly breaking other things.
[18:26] <nacc> kermyt: if you depend for some reason on using eveonline and it requires some unsupported wine that is broken fundamentally, then i suggest you make a backup and go back to 16.04.
[18:26] <Squall5668> kermyt: kermyt he probably means to not use the linux launcher of eveonline. It works perfectly with normal wine, trust me ;)
[18:26] <kermyt> other people that use ubuntu must play eve
[18:26] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Only got the one address!
[18:26] <kermyt> ok
[18:26] <tomreyn> TBotNik: which one?
[18:27] <TBotNik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6hWWWt2Vp9/
[18:27] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Can clean the backend and run the cmd again
[18:27] <tomreyn> TBotNik: are you saying that running this command returns no http address but just returns to the shell promopt?  apt-cache policy 2>&1 | pastebinit
[18:28] <tomreyn> TBotNik: did you copy and paste it properly?
[18:28] <tomreyn> please answer both of these questions.
[18:28] <TBotNik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nh8sjmKzzp/
[18:30] <tomreyn> TBotNik: let's install this script i wrote which should help us find out what's the issue here:   wget -q https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tomreyn/scripts/master/foreign_packages; chmod +x foreign_packages; sudo apt install apt-show-versions; sudo ./foreign_packages
[18:31] <tomreyn> TBotNik: if you would like to review the script before running it, you can do so here: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/foreign_packages
[18:31] <Hulio> hi guys, question: for any reason and any error, will ubuntu freeze the screen like the windows OS where it just stuck
[18:31] <Hulio> can ubuntu be freeze?
[18:31] <Squall5668> Hulio: yes
[18:32] <oerheks> "for any reason" ... ?¿
[18:32] <Hulio> I have windows PC, suddenly it froze and I can't remote to it
[18:32] <tomreyn> Hulio: we only support ubuntu here, though.
[18:32] <Hulio> i know
[18:33] <Hulio> but my question will ubuntu freeze like the window does
[18:33] <oerheks> no.
[18:33] <nacc> given that you don't know why windows froze, that's unanswerable
[18:33] <nacc> if it's hardware failure, probably
[18:33] <Hulio> oerheks: example:  i have VNC in ubuntu,   the worst case anything can go wrong, at least i can still remote
[18:33] <leftyfb> Hulio: like it, no. Will it freeze, ALL operating systems have the potential to "freeze" due to an almost infinite amount of possible reasons
[18:33] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Got it saved here, now copying to laptop.  Forgot syntax so running man on scp
[18:33] <Squall5668> Well he said "for any reason" which I translate as "can it happen?" Yes, it can happen
[18:34] <tomreyn> TBotNik: you were meant to just run the commands i provided by copying and pasting them into your ssh shell connection
[18:34] <tomreyn> TBotNik: there is no need to manually download the script.
[18:34] <Hulio> leftyfb: I think hardware failure is not the case, because after reboot, it work..that's what hapened for window
[18:35] <Hulio> my pc freeze because of software
[18:35] <Hulio> RDP stop working
[18:36] <Squall5668> Whatever the reason may be, yes, ubuntu, like everything else, can "freeze"
[18:36] <oerheks> vnc is not safe, use vnc over ssh
[18:36] <Hulio> that's suck,, hope ubuntu not feeze up with software issue
[18:36] <nacc> Hulio: it seems like you are asking if ubuntu is bug-free. No software is bug-free.
[18:36] <leftyfb> Hulio: Windows "freezing" due to software issues has absolutely no correlation to how a linux OS will perform on the same hardware
[18:36] <nacc> (or if it is, it's better off to assume it is not)
[18:36] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Ran it! Now what?
[18:36] <Hulio> leftyfb: ahhhh, man...let me explain again
[18:37] <tomreyn> TBotNik: show me the output+
[18:37] <Hulio> leftyfb:  let say i use ubuntu,  one of crapy software stop working adn freeze
[18:37] <leftyfb> Hulio: no thanks. Try ubuntu. That's all you can do
[18:37] <Hulio> will the OS freeze ?
[18:37] <Squall5668> leftyfb: please...
[18:37] <leftyfb> Hulio: go try it
[18:37] <leftyfb> Squall5668: ?
[18:37] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Dang was in sudo mode and bounced me back to user mode so commands didn't run
[18:37] <Hulio> alright then
[18:37] <Hulio> i'll install later tonight
[18:38] <Hulio> thanks guys
[18:39] <tomreyn> TBotNik: you can just run it again. copy and paste to the ssh window: sudo rm -f foreign packages; wget -q https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tomreyn/scripts/master/foreign_packages; chmod +x foreign_packages; sudo apt install apt-show-versions; sudo ./foreign_packages 2>&1 | pastebinit
[18:39] <Kashi_> Please Help with Ubuntu 18.04 struggle. Question regarding some error. Anyone would like to help me???
[18:40] <tomreyn> !ask | Kashi_
[18:40] <nacc> Kashi_: don't ask for help, just pastebin the error, given context, etc.
[18:40] <TBotNik> https://pastebin.com/PWsnYA8t
[18:41] <Hulio> also guys, is there a afterbuner (gpu overclock) similar type for ubuntu?
[18:42] <Kashi_> tomreyn: Can I post the Error here or somewhere else ?
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> !pastebinit | Kashi_
[18:42] <tomreyn> TBotNik: this is not the output of the series of commands i posted
[18:42] <Kashi_> nacc: Ok Thanks
[18:42] <tomreyn> TBotNik: what were you just running?
[18:43] <TBotNik> tomreyn: did cut-n-paste on your commands!
[18:44] <tomreyn> TBotNik: these?    sudo rm -f foreign packages; wget -q https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tomreyn/scripts/master/foreign_packages; chmod +x foreign_packages; sudo apt install apt-show-versions; sudo ./foreign_packages 2>&1 | pastebinit
[18:45] <energizer> Hello I'm really struggling to get xdg-open to run my script. I made this file in ~/.local/share/applications/my-custom.desktop. I run update-desktop-database. I run `xdg-open my-custom://hello`. I get a popup that says Could not find any application or handler for my-custom://hello   Here is the desktop file: https://ptpb.pw/AIacxiKyoaOTjcHqW7Qr9LzpPgtS/text
[18:45] <tomreyn> TBotNik: what you seem to have done is to copy and paste the script, as seen on the website at https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/foreign_packages. That's not what i asked you to do.
[18:45] <TBotNik> tomreyn: That was not the script you sent so running again via copy-n-paste
[18:46] <tomreyn> TBotNik: what are you copy-n-paste'ing now?
[18:46] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: tomreyn ubottu pastebinit package is installed how do I use it to Paste the output ?
[18:46] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | Kashi_
[18:47] <nacc> energizer: did you update the mimeapps.list ?
[18:47] <TBotNik> tomreyn: What you just pasted: rm -f foreign packages; wget -q https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tomreyn/scripts/master/foreign_packages; chmod +x foreign_packages; sudo apt install apt-show-versions; sudo ./foreign_packages 2>&1 | pastebinit
[18:47] <nacc> energizer: and/or xdg-mime call
[18:47] <energizer> nacc: isn't that what update-desktop-datebase does?
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> Kashi_: At the end of the comment from ubottu is "how" you use it.
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> Kashi_: replace "command" with the actual command you are going to run to get output
[18:48] <tomreyn> TBotNik: good. indeed i previously asked you to run something slightly different than this, but neither would have created the output you posted.
[18:48] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Took it a minute but at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9gCsVDK67v/
[18:48] <nacc> energizer: i don't know, but i dont' think so
[18:49] <nacc> energizer: you can ask xdg-mime if your protocol is understood
[18:49] <nacc> energizer: https://superuser.com/questions/162092/how-can-i-register-a-custom-protocol-with-xdg ?
[18:50] <norlq> Hi all, how i can access to USB flash drive has a password (encrypted by windows).
[18:50] <energizer> nacc: i have no file mimeapps.list
[18:50] <tomreyn> TBotNik: pleae post the http address returned by: sudo apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop kde-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-netbook software-properties-kde 2>&1 | pastebinit
[18:50] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: tomreyn I used the html version and pasted here --- https://ptpb.pw/f
[18:50] <TBotNik> tomreyn: lines 2-4 & 14 are for the Brother MFC Printer we run!
[18:50] <nacc> energizer: does xdg-mime work?
[18:51] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i'm aware, thanks for clarifying, though
[18:51] <TBotNik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PSkMwG8xwQ/
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> Kashi_: Nothing is posted there... did you copy the correct url?
[18:52] <tomreyn> TBotNik: thanks, now: apt-config dump | pastebinit
[18:52] <energizer> nacc: I'm not sure how to use it but `xdg-mime query default my-custom://hello` returns blank.
[18:54] <Kashi_> tomreyn: pragmaticenigma Here is the Link https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rzx8xNhVkW/
[18:54] <Kashi_> tomreyn: pragmaticenigma It is about MMC card reader
[18:54] <nacc> energizer: right, that's probably the issue
[18:54] <nacc> energizer: that SU answer has an instruction on how to use it
[18:55] <Kashi_> tomreyn: pragmaticenigma It is not being recognized by my computer at all.
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> Kashi_: Does the card reader have a separate power source?
[18:56] <energizer> nacc: i mean i dont know if `xdg-mime query default my-custom://hello` is the correct syntax
[18:56] <tomreyn> TBotNik: how are you coming?
[18:57] <nacc> energizer: it seems like it was
[18:57] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: It is built-in in my laptop.
[18:57] <nacc> energizer: but i also don't know
[18:58] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: I also used INSIGNIA external card reader USB and put the card in it but is also now working.
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> Kashi_: Are you certain the card is readable by these devices? Some card readers are not capable of reading newer cards that have higher capacities?
[18:59] <Sven_vB> will "sudo service networking restart" bring all my usual network interfaces down, and then up again?
[19:00] <tomreyn> norlq: sudo apt update && sudo apt install dislocker
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: which version are you on?
[19:00] <kermyt> nacc, Squall5668 You were correct. win launcher under wine works perfectly. I seem to have been lodged in 2015 still. thank you.
[19:01] <energizer> nacc: this page says ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list is deprecated and to use ~/.config/mimeapps.list instead. So I added x-scheme-handler/my-custom=my-custom.desktop there. Then I ran `update-mime-database ~/.local/share/mime` and `update-desktop-database` and `xdg-open my-custom://hello` still doesnt know. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDG_MIME_Applications#mimeapps.list
[19:01] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, trusty
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: I believe that is correct then
[19:01] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, it obviously does something with my network that disconnects exisitng connections, I'm just not sure what exactly
[19:01] <Sven_vB> ok, thanks
[19:02] <tomreyn> norlq: this is if it's bitlocker encryption. you'll need the recovery file (.bek) or the recovery key. details at https://github.com/Aorimn/dislocker
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Actually... it looks like that might not work as intended
[19:02] <tomreyn> TBotNik: you're apparently AFK. i'll be back later
[19:03] <rpg> Having trouble with Firefox startup on XFCE4: when I open firefox, it tries to open "www.%u.com" which it can't. Seems like some translation of %u into "ubuntu" isn't happening. No idea why not.
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Take a look here... http://bryanapperson.com/blog/restarting-network-interfaces-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[19:03] <Sven_vB> thanks, will do
[19:03] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: But INSIGNIA device itself
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> the recommended method is ifup and ifdown
[19:03] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G2hnCPZ3ys/  Please look at this ?
[19:04] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, I'll read about them, too.
[19:04] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: it seems to see the DEVICE
[19:05] <Kashi_> I do not understand why i can't see the card when it knows the device is there
[19:05] <pragmaticenigma> Kashi_: ... the logs state there is a power configuration issue. when the card gets inserted and the computer probes it, the card tells the computer... hey I can run like this... the computer says, I don't support that
[19:05] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: it even show me 64GB
[19:05] <pragmaticenigma> that's what's in your logs
[19:07] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Sorry had a phone call!
[19:08] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: yes it seems some voltage issue
[19:08] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: device itself is registering and device know there is a 64GB card inserted but it fails to load the card
[19:09] <TBotNik> tomreyn: apt-config dump | pastebinit is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XTKxssCgzW/
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> Kashi_: I don't know... does the computer still boot windows, and is the card readable in those readers in Windows/
[19:11] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: Insignia NS-CR20A1 USB 2.0 why it will have Volt issue with Samsung Pro Endurance SDXC card?
[19:11] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: sometime ago i fed up with Microsoft and no longer have the copy of Free Windows only ubuntu
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> Kashi_: I don't know, the best answer I have is either the card readers can't read it -or- the card isn't actually formatted.
[19:14] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: it worked yay it was not formatted
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> Kashi_: if the card is empty, try gparted to format?
[19:14] <ioria> Kashi_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1769557
[19:15] <Kashi_> pragmaticenigma: I just formated it with my Other device which is my Camera
[19:15] <nacc> energizer: i do not really know. I think you should not be editing these files by hand (since then it matters what path you use) but use the tools that ar ethere to do all this
[19:15] <Kashi_> Thank you ALL ....
[19:17] <ioria> Kashi_, remove rtsx_pci_sdmmc  and try rtsx_pci.
[19:17] <Kashi_> so it worked with external card reader but it will still now work with my built in card reader in laptop
[19:18] <Kashi_> loria wait
[19:19] <zaggynl> any way to reset the amdgpu driver on a freeze except for a reboot?
[19:20] <zaggynl> it froze on my, sound still playing, still have access by ssh
[19:20] <blackflow> zaggynl: which ubuntu? maybe restarting the DE via ssh would nudge the driver
[19:20] <Kashi_> OK All, everything is good as far as card reading with both built-in and external. I think it was just the formatting issue.
[19:20] <zaggynl> 18.04
[19:20] <zaggynl> ill try restarting gdm
[19:21] <blackflow> zaggynl: right.
[19:21] <zaggynl> hm, not much apparent change
[19:21] <energizer> nacc: what command do you think i should use?
[19:21] <zaggynl> at least I'll kill the game
[19:21] <Kashi_> Now I have to figure out the File format of the Videos and Pictures on the card because Shotwell software is unable to recognize
[19:22] <nacc> energizer: i really don't know, it seems like xdg-mime should be what you use to update the mime data
[19:22] <blackflow> zaggynl: try changing TTY
[19:22] <ioria> Kashi_, you probably need ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:22] <nacc> energizer: so use that to set the association too
[19:22] <zaggynl> keyboard's frozen
[19:22] <zaggynl> no capslock led
[19:22] <blackflow> ah, well.
[19:23] <Kashi_> loria what is that ?
[19:23] <ioria> Kashi_,  proprietary media formats
[19:24] <Kashi_> loria yes. how do i find them ?
[19:24] <energizer> nacc: `xdg-mime default my-custom.desktop x-scheme-handler/my-custom` `xdg-open my-custom://hello` Not found
[19:24] <Kashi_> loria how do i know what i need?
[19:24] <ioria> Kashi_,  you apt install  ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:24] <ioria> Kashi_,  and maybe reboot
[19:25] <nacc> energizer: did you xdg-mime query before the xdg-open?
[19:25] <navy_seal9614> zaggynl: im having similar issue, system becomes completely unresponsive, but that happens during screen lock or sleep
[19:25] <TBotNik> All: Anyone else able to help on the "held packages" problem?
[19:25] <zaggynl> I was playing doom for about 25m with latest kernel/mesa/llvm
[19:26] <blackflow> zaggynl: doom the newest doom? in wine?
[19:26] <nacc> TBotNik: pastebin of exact message?
[19:26] <Kashi_> loria what is Configuring ttf-mscorefonts-installer  ?
[19:26] <zaggynl> yeah, works well with proton
[19:26] <zaggynl> well except for the freezing heheh
[19:27] <TBotNik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GvSQkvP8y7/
[19:27] <moredrowsy> hi, can someone tell me how i can remove the snap version of system monitor? for some reasons the snap version doesn't launch for me. once i installed through apt, then it works but now i have two version of it and i want ot remove the snap version
[19:27] <ioria> Kashi_, let's say 'ok'
[19:27] <energizer> nacc: `xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/my-custom` blank
[19:27] <nacc> moredrowsy: `sudo snap remove ...`
[19:27] <Kashi_> loria ok done.
[19:27] <nacc> energizer: ok, that's a problem. i really dont' know much more. you might try googling around on it, or increasing the verbosity, etc.
[19:28] <nacc> TBotNik: please don't cut off the command you used
[19:28] <moredrowsy> nacc, thanks!
[19:28] <nacc> TBotNik: `apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop kde-workspace` ?
[19:28] <navy_seal9614> zaggynl: do you have ubuntu with gnome?
[19:28] <ioria> Kashi_,  logout/in or reboot
[19:29] <TBotNik> nacc: PB at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GvSQkvP8y7/
[19:29] <zaggynl> navy_seal9614: I do!
[19:29] <TBotNik> nacc: Your cmd at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nTnxhC9tDm/
[19:29] <zaggynl> it's a pretty default installation except for unstable padoka for latest mesa and stuff and im running latest kernel by uuke
[19:29] <energizer> nacc: no --verbose unfortunately
[19:30] <TBotNik> nacc: using ssh to the broken laptop and pastebinit to give you info
[19:30] <nacc> energizer: read the manpage.
[19:30] <Kashi_> loria Thank you. let see what happen after reebot.
[19:30] <zaggynl> I guess I could try xfce and see if that makes a difference
[19:31] <nacc> TBotNik: for each package mentioned by apt-get as "not going to be installed" add it it manaully to the commandline. e.g. `sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kde-workspace ...`
[19:31] <nacc> TBotNik: taht will probably also fail, but with more details, pastebin the output
[19:31] <navy_seal9614> zaggynl: you could also look into syslog and see if you find anything helpful
[19:32] <TBotNik> nacc: Sure, give me a minute, just finish "purge" on all them but no effect!
[19:32] <profmac> Bionic Beaver crashed on install into a Virtualbox vm.
[19:32] <zaggynl> [aug30 21:10] [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring gfx timeout, last signaled seq=8328960, last emitted seq=8328962
[19:32] <zaggynl> [  +0,000004] [drm] GPU recovery disabled.
[19:32] <zaggynl> in dmesg
[19:33] <nacc> TBotNik: ... why would you purge pacakges you are trying to install?
[19:33] <zaggynl> googling that shows a number of people with similar issues but no workarounds/fixes
[19:34] <energizer> nacc: i did that before coming here, not super transparent tho. i think i'll give up for now. thanks for tryign.
[19:34] <nacc> energizer: if you did that, you'd see there are enviornment variables like XDG_UTILS_DEBUG_LEVEL
[19:35] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i just reviewed your apt configuration and compared it to mine. i cannot tell why your system is unwilling to install the kde packages. the target versions of these packages it tries to install are correct for ubuntu14.04, so these are not just third party packages. all i could suggest at this point is that you specify the packages kubuntu-desktop depends on explicity when running apt-get install
[19:36] <energizer> nacc: ah fair enough
[19:36] <tomreyn> nacc: TBotNik's apt-config dump: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XTKxssCgzW/
[19:37] <nacc> tomreyn: yeah, i'm intersted, but not at the same time in that level of debug. I want to see what 'fixing' apt manually does. It' sprobably some nested dependency that's been removed in the past
[19:37] <tomreyn> nacc: yes, this might explain it.
[19:38] <zaggynl> well at least the reboot -f worked
[19:38] <tomreyn> TBotNik: looks like nacc just suggested the same i did (a bit later). I also suggest you upgrade or rather (freshly) install a newer ubuntu release soon, since there is conflicting information about whether kubuntu 14.04 is still supported.
[19:40] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Went to 16.04 and it's trash amd bricked my laptop, so back to 14.04 that works I went!
[19:41] <TBotNik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BPGDWmk3c9/
[19:41] <tomreyn> TBotNik: hah, such fud
[19:42] <TBotNik> nacc: & tomreyn: used cmd: apt-get install akonadi-server plasma-widgets-workspace kde-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-netbook software-properties-kde akregator apport-kde apturl-kde kaddressbook kde-telepathy kdepim-kresources kdepim-runtime kmail knotes kontact korganizer muon-discover muon-notifier plasma-runner-telepathy-contact plasma-widgets-addons usb-creator-kde kubuntu-desktop | pastebinit
[19:42] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i'm unable to help you diagnose this more at this point, see my recommendations above.
[19:42] <nacc> TBotNik: keep adding the dependencies
[19:43] <nacc> TBotNik: something you have installed has broken apt's dependency resolution, so we're trying to figure out what
[19:43] <nacc> TBotNik: you manually keep telling apt how to resolve it until you get to a point where it can't be
[19:43] <TBotNik> nacc: Yup doing that as I see them appear!  Put the desktop last so all dep are satified first!
[19:44] <nacc> TBotNik: that's not how it works
[19:44] <nacc> TBotNik: the order doesn't matter
[19:45] <TBotNik> nacc: It might be working, been running a while!
[19:48] <energizer> xdg-mime default my-custom.desktop x-scheme-handler/my-custom says make_default_generic my-custom.desktop x-scheme-handler/my-custom . Updating ~/.config/mimeapps.list. Following https://askubuntu.com/q/514125/433268 . Also tried ~/.kde/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus/my-custom.desktop.
[19:48] <energizer> verbosity level 9999 is minimal
[19:58] <TBotNik> tomreyn & nacc: Looks like it finally ran right: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/74qZFXZJv7/.  Rebooting laptop now!
[20:03] <tomreyn> TBotNik: if i got the chat we just had in #ubuntu-hardened right, then you should not use kde on 14.04 anymore since it is no longer receiving security support (althought this might change now, not sure).
[20:04] <TBotNik> tomreyn & nacc: I'm up! Thnx for your help!
[20:05] <TBotNik> Later see y'all, go work to do! Cheers!
[20:05] <ChaiTRex> tomreyn: 14.04 isn't receiving security support even though it's not April 2019?
[20:05] <ChaiTRex> tomreyn: Oh, sorry, KDE.
[20:06] <ChaiTRex> tomreyn: Was worried there for a minute.
[20:10] <tomreyn> ChaiTRex: from what i understand currently (and i could totally be mistaken there, information is conflicting), 'just' kde on 14.04 isn't or wasn't receiving security support for the better part of the past year (and maybe another year to come, yes).
[20:18] <ChaiTRex> tomreyn: Yeah, the flavors of Ubuntu stop after three years, I think.
[20:18] <ChaiTRex> tomreyn: So, April 2017 is the end for Xubuntu, Kubuntu, etc.
[20:19] <tomreyn> ChaiTRex: see kubuntu.com
[20:19] <tomreyn> https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[20:21] <texla> I have two hdd an internal and external..When I try to install a 1.5gb distro the internal gparted tell me I have to have a swap partition as I have 7.7 gb memory why would it specify this..when I try to install to external gparted shows myfree space is unusable??
[20:23] <tomreyn> texla: 'a distro'? is this ubuntu?
[20:25] <texla> tomreyn, No it is based on ubuntu and debian sorry I will take the question elsewhere's
[20:25] <tomreyn> ty
[20:26] <ChaiTRex> tomreyn: Sorry, I'll try to find a source.
[20:26] <ChaiTRex> tomreyn: Taking me a while.
[20:27] <tomreyn> ChaiTRex: spare your energy, thanks.
[20:31] <zaggynl> huh, been playing for 1h10m in xfce and no doom amdgpu crashes
[20:33] <Haris> hello all
[20:34] <Haris> do we have apache2 mpm event pkgs for php with 14.x ?
[20:34] <Haris> I'v currently installed php that seems to have been compiled for apache mpm preform
[20:34] <Haris> %s/preform/prefork/g
[20:36] <energizer> nacc: cycled through all the suggestions a few more times and it's working now. not sure what the fix actually was, but i can deal. :) Thanks again for your help.
[20:38] <Haris> I havent't seen php pkgs compiled for apache2 mpm event on 14.x, even with ppa
[20:38] <Haris> how does ubuntu manage it
[20:42] <nacc> energizer: nice
[20:52] <oerheks> Haris, looks like they are in multiverse ?? https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/lamp-on-ubuntu-14-04-with-apache-event-mpm-libapache2-mod-fastcgi-has-no-installation-candidate
[20:53] <Haris> hmm
[21:57] <bn_work> hi, ubuntu 16.04 LTS, systemd v229, is `/var/run/nologin` created if `systemd-tmpfiles --create --boot` while a system is up to create tmpfiles?
[21:57] <bn_work> s/while/is run while/
[22:00] <nacc> bn_work: aiui, that was fixed in 2013? https://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=c4708f1323
[22:00] <nacc> bn_work: did you try it and see?
[22:04] <bn_work> nacc: well, I had run it earlier, and a few hours later, when attempting to reconnect to my SSH session from a different location, I noticed I could no longer connect and got `"System is booting up. See pam_nologin(8)"`
[22:05] <bn_work> I did a serial session to the console and sure enough when I logged in with root, `/var/run/nologin` existed, so I am trying to figure out what created it
[22:05] <nacc> why are you running it at all?
[22:06] <bn_work> nacc:  I recently added some new custom services and created a` tmpfiles.d` `.conf` file to create the `/var/run` dirs
[22:06] <nacc> taht doesn't explain why you are running a command meant to be run at boot time.
[22:08] <bn_work> nacc:  the directives I added in the `.conf` use a `!` param, which specify it to only be run at boot, normally that is what I want, but since I wasn't rebooting, I wanted to execute it now to have the dirs created
[22:09] <bn_work> nacc:  I wouldn't expect `systemd-tmpfiles` to disable logins in the process
[22:09] <bn_work> it's man page says nothing about it either
[22:10] <bn_work> but then again, I'm just guessing it's `systemd-tmpfiles`, hence the question
[22:10] <nacc> bn_work: dunno, it's like you are saying, i shot myself in the foot and it hurts, should it?
[22:10] <nacc> bn_work: in this case, you told systemd to create tmpfils it only creates during boot, after you had already booted
[22:10] <nacc> dunno if it's the same bug / link i found or not
[22:11] <bn_work> nacc:  umm, no... I said "create tmpfiles" normally created during boot, *nothing* in the man page for any of the params says "disable logins", so I wouldn't expect it to
[22:11] <bn_work> I did find this though:  https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/8228
[22:12] <nacc> bn_work: systemd's manpages probalby need love. but you also ran a command that explicitly says "--boot" when you are not booting.
[22:12] <nacc> so live with the consequences of your as root choice.
[22:14] <bn_work> nacc:   that's a terrible answer
[22:15] <bn_work> and doesn't even answer the original question
[22:15] <bn_work> but whatever, thanks for responding anyway
[22:16] <nacc> bn_work: you seemed to have known the answer to your own question when you asked it
[22:16] <nacc> you ran the command and the file existed in /var/run
[22:16] <bn_work> I don't know if it existed, I'm speculating
[22:16] <nacc> bn_work: uh, you could look at the ctime, atime, mtime
[22:16] <nacc> you could reboot and test
[22:16] <bn_work> if I knew 100% I wouldn't be asking
[22:26] <mezod> I am adding quite a few scripts on crontab that execute hourly (0 * * * *) but I have a rather crappy server, would you recommend to split them somehow, say 5 at (0 * * * *) 5 at (1 * * * *) etc?
[22:27] <unixninjax> hi
[22:28] <nacc> mezod: you could use a systemd.timer and randomize the delay
[22:28] <unixninjax> is there a way to force local user check first when LDAP logins are enabled?
[22:28] <nacc> unixninjax: are you using pam? probably you can specify the order of verification
[22:29] <mezod> nacc: is that an alternative or a better solution?
[22:29] <unixninjax> yes, we are, may I know which config file and which option I am looking to configure?
[22:30] <nacc> unixninjax: i don't know off the top of my head, sorry
[22:30] <nacc> mezod: if you don't need them all to run at the top of the hour, but just every hour, yeah spread them out
[22:30] <nacc> mezod: in your crontab
[22:31] <mezod> nacc: ok, thank you
[22:34] <spotter> weird Q: does anyone know how "named" posix acls work in linux (i.e. not uid, but user name)?  i.e. how does the kernel enforce a name?  or is it really not stored as name and just displayed as a name, but stored as uid?
[22:37] <nacc> spotter: i am pretty sure it is the latter
[22:38] <nacc> spotter: it even says you can refer to the uid or gid by name or number in the manpage
[22:49] <spotter> nacc: right, but when you do a get / display it shows the name if you used a name, thats what made me wonder
[22:49] <spotter> but digging into the kernel code it must be uid
[22:50] <spotter> which I had no idea how it could have been anything else
[23:05] <mezod> Hi, I'm running something like "0 * * * * node nodescript.js &>/var/log/everyday-scripts/trialExpirationNotice.log" and it doesn't save the output into the file. However, if I execute the same command it works. The everyday-scripts folder is owned by user ubuntu, which is the one I use to execute the command and also the one executing the command with crontab. Any ideas?
[23:08] <nacc> mezod: are you assuming your task is running under bash?
[23:10] <scientes> how do i get gnome xorg to work (with nouveau and fbdev) wayland works
[23:10] <scientes> it just quits
[23:10] <mezod> nacc: hmm I'm not specifying otherwise
[23:10] <scientes> when i select it
[23:11] <nacc> mezod: you might test that, the cron environment is very specific
[23:12] <scientes> even with a new account
[23:12] <scientes> Xorg: ../../../../dix/privates.c:384: dixRegisterPrivateKey: Assertion `!global_keys[type].created' failed.
[23:14] <mezod> nacc: hmm, but if it were an environment issue it would execute the script at all, no?
[23:14] <nacc> mezod: dunno, just a thought
[23:14] <nacc> does it log to syslog or elsewhere?
[23:14] <mezod> yes it logs to syslog, but can't see the output there
[23:15] <mezod> that's why I'm trying to pipe it
[23:15] <mezod> --> Aug 30 22:56:01 ip-172-31-46-145 CRON[31245]: (ubuntu) CMD (NODE_ENV=production /usr/local/bin/babel-node /home/ubuntu/everydaycheck/api/src/scripts/lifecycle/marketing/trialExpirationNotice.js &>/var/log/everyday-scripts/trialExpirationNotice.log)
[23:15] <MaoKo> hello what is the meaning of the rc in the end of shell configuration file?
[23:16] <mezod> runtime configuration I think
[23:17] <MaoKo> mezod: thanks
[23:19] <rfm> MaoKo, actually it's "run commands", goes back to CTSS..
[23:21] <mezod> oops :p
[23:24] <nacc> mezod: hrm, does the file exist at all? (the log file)
[23:24] <nacc> mezod: do you see it getting touched, etc.
[23:25] <mezod> hmm let me try
[23:29] <mezod> nacc: so, I first executed the command and the output appeared on the file (it created it), then I changed the cron so that it'd execute (with the already existing log file) and what happens is that it completely removes the content of the file, like if the output was '' :?
[23:29] <nacc> mezod: i imagine it's truncating it
[23:29] <nacc> you didn't tell it to append
[23:29] <mezod> yes hmm
[23:29] <nacc> mezod: ok, so that implies that the shell redirection is correct
[23:29] <nacc> but possibly when run in cron, you are getting no log output
[23:29] <mezod> but then it means that the output when the cron calls it is empty
[23:30] <mezod> hmm
[23:30] <mezod> yes
[23:30] <mezod> the &> is truncate?
[23:31] <nacc> it is redirect stdout and stderr to the same file, iirc
[23:31] <nacc> the > means new file, >> means append
[23:31] <nacc> well, not new file, but at offset 0
[23:32] <mezod> yeah I'm not truncating (voluntarily at least)
[23:32] <nacc> well, you are, by using >
[23:32] <mezod> oh
[23:32] <mezod> so I should &>>
[23:32] <mezod> ?
[23:32] <nacc> if you don't want it to always write to the beginning of the file, truncating it to do so, yes
[23:33] <mezod> i'm not sure what's the best practice
[23:36] <nacc> mezod: oh, btw, if you are getting a syntax error, let's say
[23:36] <nacc> it's possible it's being thrown out
[23:36] <nacc> so without the logging redirection, do things work as you expect?
[23:36] <nacc> mezod: do you have an MTA setup locally?
[23:37] <mezod> if I run the same command myself it works as expected
[23:37] <nacc> mezod: that's not exctly what i'm asking
[23:38] <mezod> if I remove the logging, but run it with crontab, I can see it logged but I have no way to know it works since right now it's a script that grabs a couple of email addresses and sends an email (that's why I'm trying to see the output in the first place)
[23:38] <nacc> well, does it send the email? :)
[23:38] <nacc> or you can't see that without the logs?
[23:38] <mezod> I can't  see it
[23:39] <nacc> you can setup an MTA locally and then you will get emails as root from cron, iirc
[23:39] <mezod> let me try the MAILTO thing, but I'd like to have outputs to files cus if this runs hourly my mail is gonna die :P
[23:42] <mezod> well, that didnt work x)