| sergiusens | jdstrand, kyrofa, popey Wimpress https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2234 | 01:41 |
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| mborzecki | morning | 05:03 |
| zyga | Good morning | 05:55 |
| zyga | Summer feels over now | 05:55 |
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| zyga | good morning | 06:19 |
| zyga | again | 06:20 |
| zyga | this time from a computer | 06:20 |
| zyga | man, Monday will be brutal :) | 06:20 |
| mvo | zyga: good morning | 06:22 |
| mvo | zyga: monday is back to school? | 06:22 |
| zyga | yes | 06:23 |
| zyga | mvo: reviewed systemd env generator PR | 06:27 |
| mvo | zyga: nice | 06:27 |
| mborzecki | mvo: zyga: hey | 06:32 |
| mborzecki | yeah, i'll likely be starting late on monday (or have a break sometime around morning) with the school and all | 06:33 |
| zyga | mborzecki: same here | 06:36 |
| zyga | two kids to sort out :) | 06:36 |
| mvo | mborzecki: good morning | 06:36 |
| mvo | mborzecki: no worries | 06:36 |
| mborzecki | and back to the 'breakfast, work, kids from school, help with home homework, <do one other thing you may have planned>, dinner, sleep, goto 1' routine | 06:44 |
| mvo | zyga: curious, why a man-page for the generator? this thing is pretty well hidden | 06:44 |
| zyga | All generators have them | 06:47 |
| mvo | zyga: aha, ok | 06:47 |
| zyga | It is good courtesy to users since this is an opaque compiled program | 06:48 |
| mborzecki | systemd-environment-d-generator has it too, although it's not very useful | 06:49 |
| zyga | I’m moving outdoors | 06:53 |
| zyga | Network at home sucks | 06:53 |
| zyga | And I need to do a trial school run to see how bus traffic looks like | 06:53 |
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| pstolowski | morning | 07:10 |
| mborzecki | pstolowski: heyah | 07:24 |
| zyga | re | 07:31 |
| mvo | mborzecki: the arch failures on 2.35 look real | 07:40 |
| mborzecki | mvo: that's unfortunate, do you have link to the logs? | 07:41 |
| mvo | mborzecki: I mean, they are the same as yesterfday, any idea ? and if this does not affect master we probably just need to find the right commit that fixed it in master | 07:41 |
| mvo | mborzecki: https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/422560948/log.txt | 07:41 |
| mborzecki | mvo: ssh keygen? | 07:43 |
| mvo | mborzecki: ohhh | 07:43 |
| mvo | mborzecki: yeah, let me find htis one and cherry-pick it | 07:43 |
| mvo | mborzecki: thats definitely a good candidate | 07:43 |
| mvo | mborzecki: cherry-picked and pushed, lets see if that helps | 07:46 |
| mvo | mborzecki: thank you! | 07:46 |
| mborzecki | mvo: hopefully it'll be green now :) | 07:48 |
| zyga | breaking compat one by one :) | 07:49 |
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| Chipaca | moin moin | 08:02 |
| Chipaca | any idea why #5744 still shows up in github as 'in progress' (and no coverage report) when the tests passed? | 08:03 |
| * zyga works on trespassing unit tests | 08:03 | |
| zyga | working from suse :) | 08:04 |
| zyga | I think we have enough people with ubuntu | 08:04 |
| zyga | (in the team, go ubuntu :) | 08:04 |
| mborzecki | haha | 08:06 |
| popey | hmm | 08:10 |
| popey | when snapd dies, "snap info" lies | 08:11 |
| popey | it says "no snap found" when it should really say that it couldn't contact the store | 08:11 |
| popey | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/MErmQt88/ | 08:11 |
| Chipaca | popey: it didn't say there weren't any, it said it didn't find any | 08:11 |
| Chipaca | popey: like when I tell my boys to go get something | 08:11 |
| popey | "Man looking" | 08:11 |
| Chipaca | popey: "I LOOKED NOWHERE AND I CAN'T FIND IT" | 08:12 |
| popey | :D | 08:12 |
| popey | Should it not also warn that it can't get to snapd? | 08:12 |
| popey | the "I looked nowhere" bit | 08:13 |
| Chipaca | maybe snap should learn to pick things up and look under things, especially if it just put that thing down | 08:13 |
| popey | It should at least pick up the boxes and give them a bit of a shake. | 08:14 |
| Chipaca | that's like level 3 | 08:14 |
| Chipaca | no chance | 08:14 |
| popey | snapd needs to lean the Jan Hankel Flank Pat system for finding things | 08:15 |
| Chipaca | I see what's going on, I'll push a pr to address it in a bit | 08:15 |
| popey | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY-Zdgo0OXo | 08:15 |
| popey | Thank you! | 08:15 |
| Chipaca | popey: the first time I saw that vid I didn't notice how old it was | 08:16 |
| Chipaca | maybe it was a long time ago | 08:16 |
| Chipaca | hm | 08:16 |
| popey | Yeah, Mitchell & Webb Look aired 10 years ago! | 08:18 |
| mvo | mborzecki: aarch is greeeeeeeeeeen | 08:19 |
| mborzecki | yay, rejoice :P | 08:19 |
| mvo | mborzecki: merged into 2.35 thanks again | 08:19 |
| Chipaca | popey: if you did 'snap info foo bar' in that situation, what would you expect to see? | 08:19 |
| popey | We'll. Shut down snapd and run snap list. You get a completely different experience | 08:24 |
| popey | I would prefer snap list had a nicer error too | 08:24 |
| popey | When snapd is down | 08:24 |
| popey | (in this case snapd was down due to lack of disk space) | 08:25 |
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| Chipaca | popey: the problem is 'snap info' does a lot more stuff than 'snap list' | 08:30 |
| Chipaca | popey: so each query to 'snap info' can produce up to 2 errors during normal operation | 08:30 |
| Chipaca | popey: and up to 3 errors when snapd is down | 08:31 |
| Chipaca | popey: note info _can_ produce useful output with no snapd | 08:32 |
| Chipaca | popey: e.g. 'snap info /var/lib/snapd/snaps/*' | 08:32 |
| popey | (I never knew that) | 08:34 |
| popey | (I bet nobody else does either) | 08:34 |
| Chipaca | popey: 'snap info /snap/core/current/' also tries to be informative | 08:34 |
| Chipaca | popey: or 'snap info ./prime' | 08:35 |
| Chipaca | I need to make the errors from client a little more structured before I can hope to make this work | 08:43 |
| Chipaca | but we've been wanting this for a while now | 08:43 |
| Chipaca | so, yay | 08:43 |
| popey | \o/ | 08:44 |
| Chipaca | yeap. Just, not a quick fix | 08:44 |
| popey | no rush | 08:44 |
| popey | is it done yet? | 08:44 |
| Chipaca | popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYVlJKSEsyM | 08:48 |
| popey | awwww <3 that video | 08:49 |
| popey | Those were happy times | 08:49 |
| Chipaca | popey: back when we were part of ESA you mean? | 08:52 |
| mborzecki | zyga: niemeyer: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5747 | 08:52 |
| zyga | +1 | 08:55 |
| mvo | zyga: is there a way to make apparmor refuse to stat/etc/lsb-base-logging.sh ? | 08:57 |
| mvo | zyga: context is https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1779416 | 08:57 |
| popey | main.go:192: cannot change mount namespace of snap "mattermost-desktop" according to change mount (/snap/gtk-common-themes/319/share/sounds/communitheme /snap/mattermost-desktop/78/usr/share/sounds/communitheme none bind,ro 0 0): cannot create writable mimic over "/snap/mattermost-desktop/78/usr/share/": permission denied | 09:03 |
| popey | ^ anyone seen that before? What does it mean? | 09:03 |
| Chipaca | zyga: ^ | 09:03 |
| popey | I am launching mattermost-desktop from edge, and have the communitheme install | 09:03 |
| zyga | popey: hey | 09:07 |
| zyga | popey: known issue, please show me the snapcraft yaml, I will show you how to work around it | 09:07 |
| zyga | it's a trivial trick | 09:07 |
| popey | zyga: https://github.com/snapcrafters/mattermost-desktop/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml | 09:22 |
| zyga | looking | 09:23 |
| zyga | right | 09:23 |
| zyga | if the snap ships $SNAP/usr/share/{icons,themes,sounds} as empty directories | 09:24 |
| zyga | this bug goes away | 09:24 |
| popey | hah! | 09:24 |
| diddledan | ooh, new mycroft | 09:25 |
| * diddledan gets compiling | 09:25 | |
| zyga | popey: the issue is that the rules for poking holes are super precise | 09:25 |
| zyga | and they should be more generic in cases like this where there are many more directories to create | 09:25 |
| zyga | popey: I'm working on fixing that (2.36) | 09:26 |
| popey | ok, thanks. | 09:26 |
| diddledan | oh, looks like it's not rolled-out yet (mycroft 18.08) | 09:28 |
| Son_Goku | zyga, snapd 2.35 rolled out to fc28 | 09:29 |
| Son_Goku | still waiting for karma for fc27 | 09:29 |
| zyga | Son_Goku: Thank You! | 09:29 |
| zyga | Son_Goku: I can give it a spin today | 09:29 |
| zyga | I'm trying to get out of a very long unit test change | 09:29 |
| zyga | for a .1 release | 09:29 |
| zyga | Son_Goku: btw, I want to participate in the golang sig | 09:30 |
| zyga | I have my own proposal to contribute | 09:30 |
| zyga | I was working on it after hours recently | 09:30 |
| Son_Goku | cool | 09:30 |
| zyga | something that fits upstream and downstream at the same time | 09:30 |
| zyga | is easy to use for regular go developres | 09:30 |
| zyga | and does all that distros need | 09:30 |
| zyga | (magic, right?) | 09:30 |
| zyga | I will have it ready in a few days | 09:30 |
| zyga | I think there's a real chance to unify fedora and suse helpers | 09:31 |
| Son_Goku | heh | 09:31 |
| mborzecki | zyga: no more shell wrappers for each go command? | 09:33 |
| zyga | mborzecki: exactly | 09:33 |
| zyga | anyway, back to work, I'll demo it next week | 09:34 |
| mborzecki | heh going through opensuse wrappers was interesting, but to be fair OE also has some hacks spefifically for go packaging | 09:35 |
| Son_Goku | Fedora's wrappers are pretty thin | 09:36 |
| Son_Goku | the macro directly calls the go command | 09:36 |
| mborzecki | Son_Goku: well, suse has an elaborate shell script(s) :/ | 09:43 |
| Son_Goku | it used to be ruby | 09:43 |
| Son_Goku | so be happy it's not that | 09:43 |
| mborzecki | hehehe | 09:43 |
| mborzecki | Son_Goku: but ruby is like haiku | 09:43 |
| mborzecki | Son_Goku: or better, the code reads like plain english | 09:44 |
| Son_Goku | suse's golang-packaging being rewritten from ruby to shell was the result of an ugly dispute with the original creator of suse's golang packaging standard | 09:44 |
| mborzecki | Son_Goku: otoh the languages bundling their dependencies do not really fit that well with the packaging model used by some distros, i can't imaging splitting dependencies of a trivial node app | 09:46 |
| Son_Goku | you don't have to imagine | 09:46 |
| Son_Goku | it happened for a while in Fedora | 09:46 |
| Son_Goku | and it still does in Debian | 09:46 |
| popey | yeah, the number of ITP mails which are "please package this node module" is too damn high | 09:47 |
| niemeyer | mborzecki: Thank you! And sorry for the late reply | 09:58 |
| niemeyer | And good morning :) | 09:58 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: you got to say 'good morning' by two minutes :-) | 10:03 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: good afternoon sir | 10:03 |
| niemeyer | Aftnoon! | 10:03 |
| Chipaca | :-) | 10:04 |
| mborzecki | niemeyer: sure, thanks for the review | 10:05 |
| Chipaca | zyga: pstolowski: if you have a window for an easy review, #5744 is kinda blocking me (I could merge it and then let git sort it out, and I'll do that if it's not reviewed soonish, but i'd rather avoid it) | 10:05 |
| zyga | looking | 10:06 |
| Chipaca | woo | 10:06 |
| Chipaca | thanks | 10:06 |
| Chipaca | zyga: tests are green despite github not knowing it | 10:06 |
| pstolowski | kk. and what happend to mup btw, is it gone again? | 10:06 |
| zyga | mvo: my dragon apparently has android on emmc | 10:06 |
| Chipaca | pstolowski: ^ zyga's on it, thanks | 10:06 |
| mborzecki | niemeyer: pushed the changes to https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5713 too (hopefully got all of it now) | 10:06 |
| Chipaca | also, how can I merge a PR if travis didn't let github know it was green? | 10:07 |
| Chipaca | :-( | 10:07 |
| zyga | Chipaca: ask mvo | 10:07 |
| zyga | Chipaca: is bytes.Bytes expensive? | 10:08 |
| zyga | er | 10:08 |
| zyga | buffer.Bytes | 10:08 |
| Chipaca | zyga: only a little bit more than doing the maf ourselves | 10:08 |
| Chipaca | zyga: memorywise it's about the same | 10:08 |
| Chipaca | (especially as it's already used elsewhere) | 10:08 |
| mvo | Chipaca: I can | 10:09 |
| zyga | why did you move w.partial = nil; to be a w.partial.Reset() a few lines below (after } ) | 10:09 |
| mvo | Chipaca: which one do you need | 10:09 |
| zyga | 5713 | 10:09 |
| zyga | er | 10:09 |
| zyga | not | 10:09 |
| zyga | 5744 | 10:09 |
| Chipaca | mvo: 5744 (but it doesn't have zyga's second +1 yet) | 10:09 |
| zyga | Chipaca: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5744/files#diff-7c96d8cb550f40c45f4ded10cc30f5eeL54 about this line | 10:10 |
| Chipaca | zyga: yep ye | 10:10 |
| zyga | it is clear that it is just a p.Reset but why did you move it? | 10:10 |
| zyga | is it because of https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5744/files#diff-7c96d8cb550f40c45f4ded10cc30f5eeL58 | 10:10 |
| zyga | which is not 1-to-1 (write is append, = was reset + write) | 10:10 |
| Chipaca | zyga: because I'd be doing it in the other paths as well | 10:10 |
| zyga | ok | 10:10 |
| Chipaca | zyga: that is: w.partial = p -> w.partial.Reset(); w.partial.Write(p) | 10:10 |
| zyga | +1 | 10:11 |
| Chipaca | mvo: ok now yes please | 10:12 |
| zyga | done | 10:12 |
| zyga | mvo: 3/4 flashed | 10:12 |
| Chipaca | mvo: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5744 is green and has two +1's | 10:13 |
| * Chipaca ~> break | 10:13 | |
| mvo | Chipaca: done thank you | 10:14 |
| Chipaca | mvo: whee, thanks | 10:14 |
| Chipaca | wait i was supposed to be on a break | 10:14 |
| * Chipaca hides | 10:14 | |
| popey | hm, is there any way to see which snap pulled in a core18 ? | 10:14 |
| Chipaca | we should include that in the error (there's a // TODO) | 10:15 |
| Chipaca | (in the "snap remove core18" error i mean) | 10:15 |
| pedronis | popey: snap info --verbose should show the base of a snap | 10:15 |
| zyga | yep, it does | 10:15 |
| Chipaca | maybe snap list should include it as well | 10:16 |
| mvo | or snap info core18 could list the rdepends | 10:16 |
| Chipaca | mvo: oooh | 10:16 |
| Chipaca | mvo: I'll add that | 10:16 |
| popey | that would be nice | 10:16 |
| Chipaca | could also look at slots/plugs | 10:17 |
| popey | diddledan: you moved to core18 on gimp? :) | 10:18 |
| diddledan | yes. I've got the snap building on launchpad for now | 10:18 |
| mborzecki | zyga: where was the mapping thing that changed system -> core and back? | 10:18 |
| diddledan | just this second told it to do a new build for libx11-related security patches overnight | 10:19 |
| zyga | mborzecki: in overlord/ifacestate | 10:19 |
| zyga | man, SD cards are slow | 10:19 |
| mborzecki | zyga: i'm thinking if we could have something similar instead of snap.Info.ExpandSnapVariables(), like a mapped that does this in 'inside' snap mount ns or 'outside' (cc niemeyer) | 10:20 |
| mborzecki | s/mapped/mapper/ | 10:20 |
| zyga | hmmm | 10:20 |
| * zyga thinks | 10:20 | |
| mborzecki | zyga: then for eg. snap.MountNSView().ExpandVariables(info) | 10:21 |
| niemeyer | mborzecki: The problem tastes a bit simple for that | 10:22 |
| niemeyer | mborzecki: What changes between the two cases, and how often we need either? | 10:22 |
| popey | diddledan: that'll be why core18 number of installs rocketed up over the last few days then :) | 10:23 |
| mborzecki | niemeyer: yeah, the only use cases now are 'inside' mount ns, so we could go yagni about that just have one function for this (as it is right now) | 10:23 |
| niemeyer | mborzecki: ! | 10:23 |
| diddledan | rocketed? | 10:23 |
| diddledan | one snap. yeesh :-p | 10:23 |
| popey | one - popular - snap :) | 10:24 |
| diddledan | aha | 10:24 |
| diddledan | I see what you mean | 10:24 |
| diddledan | pics or it didn't happen! | 10:24 |
| * niemeyer wants pictures too | 10:24 | |
| popey | https://snapcraft.io/core18 | 10:25 |
| popey | look at the distro graph | 10:25 |
| diddledan | I don't see a timeline :-( | 10:26 |
| MattJ | On a tangent, but the map just reminded me of https://xkcd.com/1138/ | 10:27 |
| zyga | mvo: it's booting | 10:28 |
| popey | MattJ: hah! :D | 10:28 |
| pstolowski | niemeyer: hey! will you find a moment today for a quick HO re udev & stop channel? | 10:28 |
| zyga | mvo: same as last time | 10:28 |
| zyga | mvo: let me look at logs | 10:28 |
| niemeyer | pstolowski: Yeah, definitely | 10:29 |
| zyga | mvo: same == "snap command not found" | 10:29 |
| zyga | I'll enable journal and see what we get | 10:29 |
| mvo | xnox: did you get my message about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1778936 ? | 10:32 |
| mvo | xnox: i.e. can/should I sru this or will you do a sru with more changes anyway where this could be included? | 10:32 |
| zyga | mvo: I reflashed and created /var/log/journal | 10:32 |
| mvo | zyga: meh, that sucks | 10:32 |
| mvo | zyga: thanks | 10:32 |
| zyga | it failed | 10:32 |
| zyga | let me recover the journal after a second, I want to make sure this is written to the card | 10:32 |
| mvo | zyga: ta | 10:32 |
| mvo | zyga: the error you got a couple of days ago should be fixed so I wonder what is going on | 10:33 |
| zyga | mvo: I'll bring it for the sprint | 10:33 |
| zyga | sie 31 12:32:18 localhost run-snapd-from-snap[738]: stateengine.go:102: state ensure error: devicemgr: cannot use gadget snap because its base "" is different from model base "core18" | 10:34 |
| zyga | mvo: :D | 10:34 |
| zyga | let me know if you want another test run | 10:34 |
| zyga | mvo: I streamlined my setup so I can test it very quickly | 10:35 |
| zyga | there are more errors, I'll give you the full og | 10:35 |
| zyga | *log | 10:35 |
| zyga | mvo: boot log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pkhHBrzFNm/ | 10:37 |
| zyga | back to coding | 10:37 |
| zyga | ping me for another run | 10:37 |
| mvo | zyga: thanks, fixing | 10:38 |
| Chipaca | ouch, a panic from prepare-image | 10:59 |
| * zyga is hungry | 10:59 | |
| mborzecki | Chipaca: bt? | 10:59 |
| mvo | Chipaca: yeah, I saw this a couple of time in the lsat day | 11:00 |
| mvo | Chipaca: I pushed a fix for the panic | 11:01 |
| mvo | Chipaca: its an open pr, that hopefully gives us clues what is going on | 11:01 |
| mvo | Chipaca: 5743 if you look for a simple review ,) | 11:01 |
| Chipaca | mborzecki: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/2ZTtNDngWp/ | 11:01 |
| Chipaca | mvo: nice | 11:02 |
| mvo | Chipaca: the question is really why we get into this situation, its impossible :) (well, clearly not but) | 11:02 |
| Chipaca | mvo: because it's only added to the map if typ == snap.TypeKernel || local.Name(snapName) == baseName { | 11:04 |
| Chipaca | mvo: and then it looks in that map for 'snapweb' | 11:05 |
| mvo | Chipaca: is it snapweb its crashing for? | 11:05 |
| mvo | Chipaca: I thought that was invisilble without the other PR | 11:05 |
| mvo | (but maybe I hvae not looked hard enough) | 11:05 |
| Chipaca | mvo: it prints "fetching %s" before looking at the map? | 11:05 |
| Chipaca | bah, i don't realluy know this code | 11:06 |
| Chipaca | so i could have it backwards | 11:06 |
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| Chipaca | hmm hmm | 11:07 |
| Chipaca | mvo: so, with your change, the test will still fail at this point, right? | 11:07 |
| mvo | Chipaca: yes | 11:08 |
| mvo | Chipaca: it will fail but report on what snap it failed | 11:08 |
| mvo | Chipaca: I can add some more code to diagnose this I think | 11:09 |
| mvo | Chipaca: heh, you suggested this too :) let me add it | 11:10 |
| Chipaca | mvo: +1'ed, but yeah | 11:10 |
| mvo | Chipaca: ta | 11:11 |
| zyga | re | 11:23 |
| * Chipaca ~> lunch | 11:34 | |
| === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk | ||
| mborzecki | niemeyer: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5749 | 11:42 |
| jdstrand | zyga: hey, I'm not really here. I didn't get to the /mnt PR yesterday but will try today | 12:02 |
| zyga | jdstrand: hey | 12:03 |
| zyga | jdstrand: mvo and I decided to merge it (ahead of an important release) but if you find anything we will do a point release | 12:03 |
| zyga | sorry about that, I hope that's okay | 12:03 |
| zyga | jdstrand: so take your holidays for real and let's do this next week | 12:03 |
| xnox | mvo, there is an sru outstanding to do, yes. | 12:11 |
| xnox | mvo, however, it appears that snapd is failing autopkgtests now that said patch is in, in cosmic-proposed. | 12:11 |
| xnox | https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-cosmic/cosmic/amd64/s/snapd/20180830_184959_a6800@/log.gz | 12:12 |
| xnox | 2018-08-30 18:49:42 Failed tasks: 1 | 12:12 |
| xnox | - autopkgtest:ubuntu-18.10-amd64:tests/main/dirs-not-shared-with-host:alternatives | 12:12 |
| xnox | mvo, as if i should back that change out.... if it is related. | 12:12 |
| zyga | mborzecki: less than 20 errors left, brace yourself for that long code review :D | 12:16 |
| mvo | jdstrand: who else can approve snaps? I have some gadgets with "base: core18" that neeed approval | 12:21 |
| mvo | xnox: its not related I will push a fix for this | 12:21 |
| mvo | xnox: its a core snap change | 12:22 |
| xnox | mvo, oh, ok! | 12:22 |
| xnox | mvo, that's good =) cause it means i need not to back out things in systemd package then! | 12:22 |
| mvo | xnox: yeah, I'm very happy if the fix is included too :) | 12:22 |
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| diddledan | wheee | 12:26 |
| diddledan | all those failed-to-release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BHQT3Omqtw | 12:27 |
| diddledan | err | 12:27 |
| diddledan | wrong link | 12:27 |
| diddledan | file:///home/dllewellyn/Pictures/Screenshot_20180831_132719.png | 12:27 |
| diddledan | bah | 12:27 |
| diddledan | THIS TIME! https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hKp3lTzL/Screenshot_20180831_132719.png | 12:27 |
| mvo | diddledan: i had some store upload rejections as well, mine were some new fields from snapcraft iirc | 12:29 |
| zyga | mborzecki: it's green :) | 12:30 |
| zyga | mborzecki: I'll chop it | 12:30 |
| diddledan | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkZFuKHXa7w | 12:30 |
| diddledan | ^^ without comment | 12:34 |
| cachio | mvo, hey | 12:39 |
| cachio | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Gr835VXzcF/ | 12:39 |
| cachio | did yo see that error on master? | 12:39 |
| mvo | cachio: yes | 12:41 |
| mvo | I pushed a PR to make it more obvious what is going on | 12:41 |
| cachio | mvo, great, thanks | 12:41 |
| mvo | cachio: 5743 - its ready | 12:42 |
| mvo | cachio: that hopefully gives us a clue | 12:42 |
| mvo | cachio: what is going on there | 12:42 |
| mvo | cachio: I saw it a couple of times today and yesterday | 12:42 |
| mvo | diddledan: let me try to find out what is going on with the rejections - do you also get it for nknown keys in snap/manifest.yaml: snapcraft-os-release-id | 12:43 |
| diddledan | no idea why it's failed to release | 12:45 |
| diddledan | everything appears normal | 12:45 |
| diddledan | for example, micropolis failed to release, but: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/eZSJeaNF/Screenshot_20180831_134635.png | 12:46 |
| cachio | mvo, yes it started yesterday suddenly, some branches without any change started failing | 12:47 |
| diddledan | gimp just got rejected with "unknown keys in snap/manifest.yaml: snapcraft-os-release-id,snapcraft-os-release-version-id,snapcraft-version lint-snap-v2_snap_manifest" | 12:48 |
| zyga | brb, see you at the call | 12:54 |
| mvo | diddledan: yeah, I had the same | 12:58 |
| diddledan | apparently I singlehandedly skyrocketed the number of core18 installations (according to popey ) | 13:00 |
| diddledan | I call shenanigans | 13:00 |
| diddledan | as if my gimp is really _That_ popular!?! | 13:01 |
| popey | "skyrocketed" :D | 13:01 |
| diddledan | oh, right, so in the last 3 days 77 thousand people have updated to core18ified gimp... | 13:02 |
| diddledan | htf have I managed to become influential to 100k people?! | 13:03 |
| popey | Turns out people like gimp. who knew? :) | 13:04 |
| diddledan | nuts | 13:04 |
| diddledan | left with no comment: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gOjXXEh5/Screenshot_20180831_141513.png | 13:15 |
| diddledan | actually, question regarding that, is nil gonna be treated as string 'nil' or as no-value? | 13:16 |
| diddledan | I wanted it to be no-value | 13:17 |
| diddledan | i.e. don't you dare think of giving me a base damn you! | 13:17 |
| * diddledan hacks all the things | 13:19 | |
| Son_Goku | mvo, zyga: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5750 | 13:22 |
| Son_Goku | mvo, also, your script for generating changelogs is broken | 13:22 |
| Son_Goku | I had to add the "- New upstream release <version>" line for the last few changelog entries | 13:23 |
| zyga | Son_Goku: shall we sort the changelogs like I did in suse? | 13:23 |
| zyga | I need to update my script | 13:23 |
| Son_Goku | sort them? | 13:23 |
| zyga | the dates are broken | 13:23 |
| zyga | at least in suse they were, due to various historic mistakes | 13:24 |
| Son_Goku | yeah | 13:24 |
| Son_Goku | the dates and authors need to be fixed | 13:24 |
| zyga | https://gitlab.com/zygoon/rpmtools | 13:24 |
| Son_Goku | I thought about fixing it the last time I went in and whacked the changelogs | 13:24 |
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| Son_Goku | err fixed the suse packaging | 13:24 |
| zyga | just need to handle embedded changelogs | 13:24 |
| Son_Goku | changes format changed last week | 13:24 |
| Son_Goku | zyga: spot the difference: https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/system:packagemanager:dnf/dnf/dnf.changes?expand=1 | 13:25 |
| mvo | Son_Goku: thanks, in a meeting right now, but thanks for the PR - and sorry for the broken script I have a look and fix it | 13:25 |
| zyga | Son_Goku: in a meeting, but I will look after | 13:26 |
| Son_Goku | mvo, zyga, clearly you're both in the same meeting :P | 13:26 |
| zyga | yep | 13:26 |
| zyga | standup | 13:26 |
| Son_Goku | zyga, also: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7-beta/html-single/7.6_release_notes/#BZ1461652 & https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7-beta/html-single/7.6_release_notes/#BZ1564775 | 13:29 |
| niemeyer | cachio: uploaded | 13:39 |
| cachio | niemeyer, tx | 13:39 |
| zyga | Son_Goku: how do the two rhel notices you linked to affect us? | 13:40 |
| Son_Goku | zyga, well, the first one means that the code I'm writing for integration in fedora infra will work for producing centos7 base snaps eventually | 13:41 |
| Son_Goku | as for the second one, I'm not sure, it sounds like something we might want? | 13:41 |
| Son_Goku | at least with the mmap() support, that means that the policy will compile again on el7 | 13:42 |
| Son_Goku | zyga, it seemed like the socket stuff is something along the lines of what the socket mediation stuff in apparmor does | 13:42 |
| zyga | Son_Goku: apparmor does packet inspection (so to speak) | 13:43 |
| zyga | more like a firewall than a traditional "you can or cannot use that socket" control | 13:43 |
| Son_Goku | ah | 13:43 |
| zyga | but I understand what you meant now | 13:43 |
| mvo | diddledan: I got feedback about the store rejections, they are working on it and it should be back to normal soon. out of curiosity, is your gimp snap core18 based? | 13:49 |
| diddledan | yes, it is | 13:50 |
| mvo | diddledan: thanks for confirming. it looks like only the 18.04 build env is currently in unhappy land | 13:50 |
| diddledan | hence 77k new core18 downloads this week :-p | 13:50 |
| * mvo hugs diddledan | 13:50 | |
| mvo | diddledan: thats cool | 13:51 |
| diddledan | ooh cuddles! | 13:51 |
| diddledan | I wanna see the graph of core18 to see what impact that's had overall | 13:52 |
| mvo | diddledan: its quite dramatic | 13:53 |
| diddledan | I unleashed gimp core18 about 3 days ago IIRC | 13:53 |
| mvo | diddledan: yeah and the graph is exploding since :) | 13:54 |
| zyga | indeed :) | 13:54 |
| mvo | diddledan: nice job | 13:54 |
| diddledan | nice | 13:54 |
| mvo | Chipaca: 5730 might be interessting for you | 13:54 |
| zyga | mvo: beta testers ;) | 13:54 |
| mvo | Chipaca: super easy | 13:54 |
| diddledan | haha. I hope you were ready ;-p | 13:54 |
| mvo | zyga: yeah but to be fair, core18 as a base for normal snaps should be fine | 13:54 |
| diddledan | seems stable for gimp's usage | 13:55 |
| mvo | diddledan: he is joking, as a base its good | 13:55 |
| zyga | yes, I was somewhat kidding | 13:55 |
| mvo | diddledan: as a booting image we have some work (but even there its pretty good by now :) | 13:55 |
| diddledan | "should" | 13:55 |
| diddledan | yey | 13:55 |
| * diddledan waits for his pi to automatically upgrade | 13:55 | |
| diddledan | I'm guessing moving over to the core18 boot image is gonna be a case of many spinning plates | 13:56 |
| zyga | flashing bits | 13:56 |
| zyga | yes | 13:56 |
| * diddledan flashes his bits | 13:56 | |
| zyga | brb, I need some water, it's getting warm on this side of the house | 13:56 |
| mvo | 5743 is trivial and needs a second review | 13:56 |
| diddledan | yeah, the sun's just got around to my main window now, too | 13:56 |
| Chipaca | mvo: in a mo | 13:57 |
| zyga | mvo: shall I squash it | 13:57 |
| zyga | or just merge it | 13:57 |
| popey | jdstrand: did the snapcraft build get reverted back in launchpad builders? | 13:57 |
| popey | jdstrand: we are seeing developers complaining that their snaps are not updating | 13:57 |
| mvo | zyga: which one? | 13:57 |
| mvo | zyga: just merge unless it has the label | 13:58 |
| zyga | 5743 | 13:58 |
| cjwatson | popey: for xenial builds, yes | 14:02 |
| cachio | niemeyer, still failing spread | 14:02 |
| popey | cjwatson: ok, thanks | 14:02 |
| cjwatson | popey: unless I'm confused about what you mean by "reverted back". xenial builds are currently running with (effectively) 2.42.1 | 14:02 |
| popey | well, a working version of snapcraft, which doesn't have the extra metadata which the store rejects | 14:03 |
| popey | so <2.43 | 14:03 |
| cjwatson | indeed | 14:03 |
| cachio | niemeyer, I found the problem | 14:06 |
| cachio | it works now | 14:06 |
| niemeyer | Ah, nice | 14:08 |
| zyga | mvo: will you have another dragon image to test today? | 14:15 |
| zyga | or can I put it back into the drawer | 14:15 |
| mvo | zyga: I will ask the store guys if they can approve my dragon gadget | 14:26 |
| Chipaca | mvo: 5730 is about talking to a store proxy through an http proxy? | 14:29 |
| mvo | Chipaca: correct | 14:30 |
| Chipaca | mvo: why tho | 14:30 |
| Chipaca | :-) | 14:30 |
| mvo | Chipaca: also about locking | 14:30 |
| mvo | Chipaca: oh, if thats not a support configuration I can close the PR | 14:31 |
| Chipaca | mvo: I don't know. Maybe sparkiegeek does (but he's away i think) | 14:31 |
| Chipaca | mvo: I'll ask | 14:31 |
| Chipaca | mvo: seems sane though | 14:31 |
| Chipaca | I mean, why would you do it, but if you need to do it, this is what we need to do to let you do it | 14:32 |
| pedronis | Chipaca: should also be normal store, no? | 14:32 |
| Chipaca | pedronis: 5730 is only about the proxy store | 14:32 |
| Chipaca | pedronis: it changes 'newEnoughProxy' | 14:32 |
| Chipaca | oh! also getSerial | 14:33 |
| Chipaca | darn | 14:33 |
| Chipaca | heh | 14:33 |
| Chipaca | my bad | 14:33 |
| Chipaca | pedronis: thanks | 14:33 |
| pedronis | ah, I thought I was confused | 14:33 |
| pedronis | it seems consistent at least | 14:33 |
| pedronis | and the bit in getSerial might be useful | 14:33 |
| Chipaca | yup | 14:33 |
| mvo | thanks guys! | 14:34 |
| zyga | mvo: did you ask about /etc/lsb something and apparmor? | 14:37 |
| mvo | zyga: I did but i figure out I can't deny stat with apparmor | 14:38 |
| mvo | zyga: which is a) surprising b) annoying | 14:38 |
| zyga | Yes | 14:39 |
| zyga | Yes | 14:40 |
| zyga | :-) | 14:40 |
| Chipaca | mvo: is the prepare-image pr merged? | 14:40 |
| mvo | Chipaca: someone merge it I think | 14:41 |
| Chipaca | mvo: nice | 14:41 |
| Chipaca | mvo: and you merged it into 5730? | 14:41 |
| mvo | Chipaca: yes, I think I did | 14:42 |
| sergiusens | jdstrand: did you get a chance to look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2234/files ? roadmr too maybe | 14:43 |
| joc | mvo: Chipaca: could you clear up something for me - i'm wondering what is the mechanism that distinguishes a series 16 Ubuntu Core image from a series 18 Ubuntu Core image - i.e. both could have the core snap from the other installed, but there is something that indicates where to run init + snapd from? | 14:44 |
| joc | (also trying to get my terminology correct) | 14:44 |
| sergiusens | joc: isn't that described in the model/gadget? | 14:45 |
| roadmr | sergiusens: oh so we weren't pushing snaps with a manifest before? | 14:45 |
| roadmr | this looks good | 14:45 |
| sergiusens | roadmr: we always were, just that the review tools are a bit overzealous about new attributes. | 14:46 |
| roadmr | yes, that they are. | 14:46 |
| mvo | joc: not sure I get the question, but could you check /etc/os-release? | 14:46 |
| roadmr | sergiusens: remember jdstrand is off today and Monday | 14:46 |
| joc | sergiusens: possibly, but i was looking around the gadget of an image i'm testing and could see an obvious key that says the is a core18 system | 14:47 |
| sergiusens | roadmr: which I think we agreed would be removed. I am not sure all the corner cases for all possible entries for the manifest are covered. I do agree that the review-tools should be strict on what they already know about to be able to generate proper USNs and other tooling | 14:47 |
| Chipaca | mvo: I think he's asking, on a core device with core16 and core18 installed, how do we know which one to boot | 14:47 |
| joc | yeah that basically :) | 14:47 |
| Chipaca | joc: it depends on how good the random number generator of the board is | 14:47 |
| * Chipaca runs for the hills | 14:47 | |
| joc | lol | 14:48 |
| Chipaca | joc: the model says which one is the blessed one | 14:48 |
| Chipaca | joc: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/model-assertions-for-core18/6870 | 14:49 |
| sergiusens | roadmr: the irony in this case is that the review tools are rejecting the keywords Jamie asked me to add :-) | 14:50 |
| mvo | pedronis: thanks again for the review for 5583, I think you are right and we need to periodically check if snapd can go into socket activated mode, maybe every 5min? | 14:50 |
| sergiusens | well, were, as the review tools are up to date already | 14:51 |
| mvo | Chipaca, joc yeah, the model it is | 14:51 |
| mvo | zyga: new test dragonboard image is uploading, I let you know once its there | 14:52 |
| joc | and that then informs the variables used at boot time to identify which snap to mount? | 14:52 |
| Chipaca | joc: yep | 14:54 |
| roadmr | sergiusens: it's because they're old tools that don't know those keywords :) haha we've seen this, we can't start sending snaps with new fields until the tools support them :/ makes for some interesting interlock | 14:54 |
| joc | Chipaca: ok, thanks, that clears thing a bit for me | 14:55 |
| zyga | mvo: cool | 14:58 |
| sergiusens | roadmr: the tools already do support them ;-) | 14:58 |
| zyga | mvo: did you really compress it this time? :D | 14:59 |
| roadmr | sergiusens: aha, but not the version that's in the store :/ that was added recently AIUI (r1122/1123 while the store has 1121) | 14:59 |
| roadmr | sergiusens: we've discussed using the review-tools snap so it might be easier to update the tools | 15:00 |
| roadmr | sergiusens: haha yes, we haven't embraced the snap :) we had one huge hurdle which was the store being on trusty, that's not true anymore so the road is now open but fraught with peril | 15:00 |
| mvo | zyga: new version is up | 15:01 |
| mvo | zyga: I did not bother this time | 15:01 |
| sergiusens | roadmr: I do not know what rXXXX are, all I see is revision 553 (version 0.48+git) :-) | 15:01 |
| zyga | mvo: it's a big difference on both upload and download | 15:02 |
| zyga | ETA 52min | 15:02 |
| zyga | (on my capped link) | 15:02 |
| Chipaca | you know that feeling when you're writing long, hard to read integration-type tests and suddenly realise you could instead just write a unit test and let the rest sort itself out? yeah, that | 15:04 |
| zyga | switched to my laptop LTE, it's going to be fast now | 15:04 |
| Chipaca | i blame friday | 15:04 |
| zyga | 3 minutes | 15:04 |
| Chipaca | zyga: is this the same lte that you ate 1TB off of? | 15:04 |
| pedronis | mvo: as I said I'm not sure it's a serious problem | 15:04 |
| zyga | Chipaca: no, I have ... many | 15:04 |
| zyga | Chipaca: the 1TB empty one is slow now | 15:04 |
| pedronis | mvo: but wanted to point it out | 15:04 |
| zyga | Chipaca: my laptop has 100GB of private plan | 15:04 |
| zyga | Chipaca: and my phone has 65GB | 15:05 |
| zyga | Chipaca: I also have a pre-paid plan on a backup router with 60GB (pre-paid so I won't use it this way) | 15:05 |
| zyga | Chipaca: the polish phone has ... some amount but it's running ubuntu so I never use it | 15:05 |
| roadmr | I have 1 GB allowance :~( | 15:05 |
| zyga | roadmr: yes comrade ;-) | 15:06 |
| zyga | roadmr: I know, US&Canada suck wrt network | 15:06 |
| Chipaca | zyga: is your whole house glowing at night | 15:06 |
| roadmr | totally | 15:06 |
| zyga | roadmr: it's crazy how much network you get here | 15:06 |
| roadmr | there's slightly more competition in the US but Canada is horrible | 15:06 |
| roadmr | and I live in one on the best provinces for that, others are worse | 15:06 |
| zyga | Chipaca: plus each phone (e.g. kid phones) have 10GB at least (probably more, never ran out) | 15:06 |
| zyga | roadmr: I wonder if you could get a better deal by roaming from EU sim | 15:07 |
| zyga | roadmr: up until recently I had free roaming in US (I didn't check if that's still valid) | 15:07 |
| zyga | so my 65GB data, yep, same as back home | 15:08 |
| zyga | roadmr: my rural network link I used while on holidays has 100GB of data for 12 euro / month | 15:09 |
| zyga | roadmr: and it came with this big ass outdoor modem / antenna + indoor repeater wifi | 15:09 |
| roadmr | that's ridiculously cheap hehe | 15:10 |
| zyga | roadmr: it also allows you to make wifi-based phone calls so you don't need coverage in your handset | 15:10 |
| roadmr | oh I have that as well, never used it though | 15:10 |
| zyga | roadmr: works great in the forest | 15:10 |
| zyga | I'm very happy with the network here, it's never been this available and cheap | 15:10 |
| roadmr | cool :) somewhat envious :) | 15:11 |
| zyga | the rural aspect is interesting, is it a side product of covering everything else? | 15:11 |
| zyga | (get the last 10% customers?) | 15:11 |
| roadmr | sure, and also of the territory being smaller | 15:13 |
| roadmr | parts of rural and northern Canada has no coverage, because it' sjust huge | 15:13 |
| joc | mvo: i refreshed snapd to edge as the extrausers PR had landed then rebooted - it appears to have fixed those issues i was having - thank you! | 15:39 |
| mvo | joc: cool, thanks for confirming | 15:39 |
| mvo | sil2100: we may need your console-conf expertise soon again :) zyga has a test image for the dragonboard and it looks like console-conf is segfaulting there, might be related to not having network yet. we are investigating, just a heads up | 15:42 |
| sil2100 | mvo: hm hm! Symptoms sound familiar to what I was seeing on my pi3 | 15:42 |
| mvo | sil2100: it looks like its segfaulting | 15:43 |
| zyga | it is definitely signal 11 | 16:00 |
| zyga | it goes all the way up to 11 in a bad way | 16:00 |
| zyga | sil2100: let me know if you want any debugging done | 16:01 |
| Chipaca | zyga: where was the thing that compared directories? | 16:09 |
| zyga | syncdir? | 16:09 |
| zyga | syncdir.go | 16:09 |
| zyga | osutils | 16:09 |
| Chipaca | zyga: thanks | 16:09 |
| * zyga hugs Chipaca | 16:10 | |
| zyga | :) | 16:10 |
| Chipaca | hmmmm | 16:10 |
| Chipaca | zyga: didn't we have a thing where we gave it to dirs and it told us what was different? | 16:10 |
| zyga | mmmmmmmmm | 16:10 |
| Chipaca | zyga: looks like no | 16:11 |
| zyga | no, I don't think we had _that_ | 16:11 |
| Chipaca | zyga: because I see pack_test just doing diff | 16:11 |
| Chipaca | which is fine, i'll do that as well | 16:11 |
| zyga | we have this thing that compares mount profiles | 16:11 |
| zyga | but that's not that | 16:11 |
| Chipaca | zyga: diff is _fine_ :-) | 16:12 |
| zyga | woot | 16:26 |
| zyga | I found the bug :) | 16:26 |
| zyga | man :P | 16:26 |
| zyga | refactoring | 16:26 |
| zyga | old old old refactoring | 16:26 |
| zyga | I used an interface | 16:26 |
| zyga | and review asked to change that | 16:26 |
| zyga | so the only place that cared didn't get updated | 16:26 |
| zyga | fixed now! | 16:26 |
| zyga | woooot | 16:26 |
| Chipaca | pedronis: if overlord.Settle(t) takes more than t, what do i need to poke? | 16:28 |
| zyga | ah maciej is off already | 16:33 |
| zyga | well, fair enough :) | 16:33 |
| zyga | I'll prepare this for chopping | 16:33 |
| * Chipaca ~> afk (gym! but tests are running) | 16:37 | |
| cmars | question about branches & auto upgrades. if i have a snap installed from a branch of edge, and that branch expires, what does auto-upgrade do? | 16:39 |
| cmars | would it install whatever's on edge automatically? | 16:39 |
| zyga | Chipaca: ^ | 16:39 |
| zyga | ah | 16:39 |
| zyga | cmars: I think it's going to behave as if it was on edge | 16:40 |
| cmars | zyga: then i notice the branch expired and i push back to the branch.. would the clients that had this branch installed switch back? or would i have to snap refresh on all the machines/devices to get them back? | 16:41 |
| cmars | basically, i needed these devices to stay on the branch, but forgot to keep the branch alive and there was a window where it was gone | 16:42 |
| cmars | wondering what kind of mess this might have made.. | 16:42 |
| Chipaca | cmars: the client is tracking the branch; when it re-opens, it'll get the new thing | 16:43 |
| Chipaca | cmars: you can check this: in "snap info", see what "tracking" says | 16:43 |
| cmars | Chipaca: ok. that's encouraging.. what if i had an older rev on the edge branch than edge, and when i restore the branch, it's still older than edge, but the branch is there again | 16:44 |
| cmars | Chipaca: will the client still switch back to the branch? | 16:44 |
| Chipaca | cmars: there is no "older"; there's jsut "is this the current tip" | 16:44 |
| cmars | or, would it have autoupgraded to edge in the first place? | 16:44 |
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| zyga | woooooooooooooooooooooooooot | 16:45 |
| zyga | :D | 16:45 |
| zyga | layouts no longer leak | 16:45 |
| Chipaca | cmars: if it refreshed while the branch was closed, it would have gone to whatever was current on edge | 16:45 |
| zyga | wooot wooot woot | 16:45 |
| Chipaca | cmars: also why do you have long-lived branches and not tracks | 16:46 |
| Chipaca | :-) | 16:46 |
| * zyga is super happy :D | 16:46 | |
| * Chipaca hugs zyga | 16:46 | |
| Chipaca | zyga: EOW right now, on this feeling | 16:47 |
| cmars | Chipaca: i don't think tracks existed when we needed different builds. what's a track? | 16:47 |
| zyga | I need to chop the code a little but basically https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/compare/master...zyga:fix/trespassing-v2?expand=1 does the right thing | 16:47 |
| Chipaca | cmars: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/using-tracks/6230 | 16:47 |
| * Chipaca needs to run | 16:48 | |
| zyga | I'll go for a bike ride with my kids | 16:48 |
| zyga | and then polish the diff | 16:48 |
| Chipaca | cmars: i'll be back in ~1.5h if you have more qs | 16:48 |
| cmars | Chipaca: ok, thanks | 16:48 |
| * zyga EODs | 16:50 | |
| pedronis | Chipaca: usually something is not right | 17:21 |
| pedronis | Chipaca: it's more a matter of understanding what is not happening that should or we think should | 17:22 |
| pedronis | Chipaca: going over tasks and changes and look at their state, clean state after the timeout might be a good idea | 18:16 |
| Chipaca | pedronis: fair enough. I'll take a look at it Monday morning | 18:21 |
| Chipaca | now I think I'll just call it a wrap | 18:21 |
| diddledan | here's a good one for snapcraft devs to be thinking "wtf is he doing?!" about: `shutil.Error: [('/root/build_gnome-calculator-gentoo/parts/gnome-calculator/src/var/spool/nullmailer/trigger', '/root/build_gnome-calculator-gentoo/parts/gnome-calculator/build/var/spool/nullmailer/trigger', '`/root/build_gnome-calculator-gentoo/parts/gnome-calculator/src/var/spool/nullmailer/trigger` is a named pipe')]` | 19:49 |
| diddledan | note that it took several hours to get to that point | 19:51 |
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