[00:19] <ChaiTRex> Is there a way to make a GUI application keep running if I log out and back in such that I can get it back graphically in the new session?
[00:21] <xamithan> no
[00:22] <ChaiTRex> OK, thanks.
[00:40] <HellFire> ChaiTRex: actually, you can. if you use something like xpra (it's basically screen for X apps)
[00:48] <rfm> forgotmynick, urg sendmail, can't you use postfix or exim, both of which have pretty simple options to use only ipv4?
[00:48] <rfm> forgotmynick, I did find https://www.autonarcosis.com/2015/10/14/sendmail-how-to-disable-ipv6-when-sendingrelaying/
[00:48] <rfm> forgotmynick, but I cannot vouch for it...
[00:50] <Belial> anyone using steamplay on ubuntu know where the .net downloads go when installing a game?
[01:19] <neverkas> hi
[01:19] <neverkas> people I've a question about how to create a new partition for ubuntu
[01:21] <guiverc> neverkas, i find `gparted` (a gui tool) the easiest way to create partitions
[01:22] <neverkas> yep I know but I wanted to practice the commands lines on linux xD
[01:22] <neverkas> :V
[01:22] <xamithan> What commands
[01:22] <xamithan> You can do fdisk, cfdisk, parted, gdisk,  few others
[01:23] <neverkas> yep, but I can't change the size of my disk
[01:23] <xamithan> Sure you can,  if you unmount it first
[01:23] <guiverc> neverkas, is the partition you are trying to change size on mounted?  (you need to umount first)
[01:24] <neverkas> yep, but how can I do it? I mean I started as recovery mode
[01:24] <guiverc> if it's a needed partition; a 'live' system (install media) is an easy work around to adjust size of normal partitions
[01:24] <xamithan> recovery mode should do it,  it might chroot root you so you have to unmount
[01:24] <ChaiTRex> HellFire: Thanks. I'll look into xpra.
[01:25] <neverkas> I didn't understand at all.
[01:26] <xamithan> Maybe you shouldn't be doing whatever you are doing then
[01:26] <neverkas> ??
[01:26] <xamithan> If you use LVM you can resize on the fly
[01:27] <neverkas> I'm trying to use a virtualbox first in order to not break nothing
[01:28] <neverkas> :(
[01:32] <neverkas> mm so, I read that it's dangerous what I tried to do, is it right? I mean I tried to use gparted before but I cant resize my partitions
[01:33] <xamithan> its always dangerous if you don't know what you doing,  you also got to think about if there is any filesystems on it so you have to resize those too
[01:34] <xamithan> growing partitions is pretty easy though
[01:34] <neverkas> mm
[01:35] <neverkas> I wanted to resize one of my partitions because I've ubuntu 12.04 and I'd like to upgrade it to 16
[01:35] <guiverc> parted & gparted should not be used to change the partition size of a mounted partition.  i use it regularly, but usually from a live system.  if power goes off etc you risk a corrupted disk (the main danger), so backups should always be done. here is a parted howto https://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_chapter/parted_2.html
[01:36] <neverkas> yep
[01:36] <neverkas> I was reading that link
[01:36] <xamithan> Why do you need to resize to upgrade?
[01:37] <neverkas> because I installed this ubuntu some time ago but I didn't separate /home and /
[01:38] <neverkas> so I didn't want to loss all that I've
[01:39] <xamithan> I don't see why you have to resize to do that though,  you can just do 12.04 > 14.04 > 16.04
[01:41] <neverkas> So there's no matter if I don't have /home for my things and / for the s.o.? Although that can I upgrade to 14.04 and 16.04?
[01:42] <neverkas> sry if my english is not the best xD :v
[01:42] <xamithan> I don't do a separate home,  that just upsets me if I got a lot of space in /home but I need to install stuff elsewhere
[01:42] <xamithan> I can see why it would be preferable though,  You could just reinstall the OS on top of itself and mount the old /home without having to backup
[01:43] <neverkas> ahhh ok
[01:43] <xamithan> But yeah you can upgrade without messing things up
[01:43] <neverkas> uff thanks a lot, so I'll upgrade :D
[02:38] <marshwallow> Hi there!
[02:38] <marshwallow> Can anyone help me set Avahi up?
[02:38] <marshwallow> I can avahi-resolve myself on other devices, but pinging is a no-go.
[02:39] <marshwallow> Of course, pinging on the device itself works like a charm.
[02:39] <marshwallow> Any ideas guys?
[02:39] <marshwallow> (erm, and gals)
[02:41] <marshwallow> Is there some channel that might be more suitable for my question?
[02:42] <marshwallow> ... or ... a guide that might help me?
[02:46] <tomreyn> marshwallow: can you "avahi-resolve-host-name the_hostname", replacing 'the_hostname' by the devices' host name?
[02:46] <marshwallow> Yeah, that works like a charm.
[02:47] <marshwallow> WAIT.
[02:47] <marshwallow> Sorry.
[02:47] <marshwallow> the_hostname.local works, but the_hostname doesn't.
[02:48] <tomreyn> marshwallow: i *think* that's to be expected, but not sure. it's the same here.
[02:51] <marshwallow> Hmm, is the ping error expected behavior too?
[02:51] <tomreyn> marshwallow: pinging agains tthe ip address should work, if it's on the same subnet and there's no firewalling involved
[02:53] <marshwallow> Yeah, it works, but `ping the_hostname.local` doesn't. Am I misinterpreting the purpose of Avahi?
[02:55] <marshwallow> ... or is my daemon just not properly configured?
[02:56] <tomreyn> marshwallow: i assume that mdns4_minimal is just off by default in /etc/nsswitch.conf sinc eit causes issues for people who use the .local TLD for other (conflicting) purposes. this discusses how to enable it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1641328
[02:58] <tomreyn> with mdns lookups disabled you can still use avahi for announcing local services on the LAN, so it's not without purpose that way
[03:01] <marshwallow> Actually, my 'hosts' line looks like this:
[03:01] <marshwallow> hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] resolve [!UNAVAIL=return] dns myhostname
[03:02] <marshwallow> ... which was mentioned somewhere as a fix to this issue.
[03:03] <marshwallow> Oh, will try with the reorder mentioned in the linked bug report.
[03:04] <marshwallow> Nope, nope, nope. That's the "proper" order.
[03:05] <marshwallow> It's late and I'm kinda sleepy. Forgive me for my stupidity.
[03:08] <marshwallow> Nevermind, nevermind, nevermind.
[03:08] <marshwallow> Seems like I did something.
[03:08] <marshwallow> Or it worked from the beginning.
[03:09] <marshwallow> Pinging the_hostname from an intranet device works neatly.
[03:10] <marshwallow> http://the_hostname:8000 (yeah, I'm trying to reach my Django server) works in Chrome as well. S-weet!
[03:14] <marshwallow> Well, thanks for help!
[03:17] <Edisto> are there any tutorials on isntalling windows firefox via wine? I've tried playonlinux and get font errors, and pure wine I get minimemorydumplist and getstream errors
[03:17] <macopython> I am trying to write some content to file using echo. Somehow it includes some space before each line which is actually not present in actual content. https://pastebin.com/JVWaJg82
[03:24] <pziggy> Hey guys im having tourble connecting to my universities enterprise wpa network, I'ts working fine on my laptop running debian but my desktop is running kububtu, ive got an output file of my journalctr if anyone is interested in taking a look.
[03:24] <tomreyn> macopython: this syntax is convoluted. take a look at how you can write here documents in bash much more easily: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/HereDocument
[03:24] <tomreyn> that's unless you're trying to be compatible to more shells, maybe then this is actually needed.
[03:26] <pziggy> heres the output https://pastebin.com/5rqNcfmf
[03:27] <pziggy> this inparticular seems to be the issues but googleing isnt providing anyway to verifiy it "EAP-TLV: TLV Result - Failure"
[03:28] <pziggy> not a networking guy so it doesnt mean much to me
[03:28] <tefx> !seen sebsebseb
[03:28] <tefx> ahh damn it
[03:29] <tefx> anyone here remember sebsebseb if so has anyone got contact with him still
[03:32] <macopython> tomreyn: Ohk. I'll check. Thanks
[03:34] <duckx0r> I just updated my 18.04 server (VPS with Linode) and I received several warning messages to do with cryptsetup and grub: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BPcKxZVQ5q/. As far as I can tell, none of the partitions are encrypted. Here is the output of blkid: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3TQmzpM5yY/ and here is my /etc/fstab: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nhzwKswvKj/. One weird thing I notice is that my fstab references devices (/dev/sda) instead of partitions
[03:34] <duckx0r> (/dev/sdaX). Is this normal. Should I be worried about anything here?
[03:36] <duckx0r> Also, here is the output of `parted -l`. I don't see any partitions listed under /dev/sda.
[03:36] <duckx0r> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vBgXB7mK72/
[03:38] <cim209> i'm surprised ubuntu installed without any hitch on my old 2007 imac
[03:40] <tomreyn> tefx: they are last identified to nickserv ~ 2w ago. also, in case you have a lunchpad account, there's an e-mail address on https://launchpad.net/%7Esebsebseb
[03:43] <tefx> @tomreyn, thansk my man i also heard he was recently active in #techrights so havign an email for him would be handy thanks for that :D
[03:44] <tomreyn> welcome
[03:44] <mikubuntu> i just bought this laptop and the win10 seems to work fine (as well as it can be expected considering it's windows), but i can't get lubuntu to connect either on etho or wifi ... bought for my friend and she is going back to costa rica 2morrow and i need to get a dual boot set up for her -- can anyone help me with this connection issue -- https://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/sys/d/dell-inspiron-intel-dualcore/6673067163.html
[03:46] <tomreyn> duckx0r: i don't see any mention of cryptsetup, dmsetup or luks on these pastes. apparently you have your / file system (ext4) directly on /dev/sda, and sdb is just swap. this prevents installation of grub since there is no master boot record, and no separate bios_grub partition.
[03:47] <duckx0r> tomreyn, cryptsetup errors are in the first link: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BPcKxZVQ5q/
[03:47] <tomreyn> duckx0r: it's nmot clear how this apparent KVM guest has been booting in the past, though, maybe it doesn't actually depend on a copy of grub stored on these virtual disks but uses one stored elsewhere.
[03:48] <tomreyn> duckx0r: warnings, right, i missed that they're issued by cryptsetup indeed.
[03:48] <duckx0r> tomreyn, That would be... weird.
[03:52] <cim209> this is a lot of getting used to
[03:52] <cim209> hi guys, just got back into ubuntu
[03:54] <tomreyn> duckx0r: actually the 'parted -l' output suggests you have partition table son both virtual storages (sda + sdb)., and swap is on sdb1, so a partition.
[03:55] <tomreyn> duckx0r: the issue you seem to be experiecing now is that gtrub has grown too much to fit into the MBR, so you'd need a bios_grub partition to boot it nowadays. but you have no partitions on sda, so you can't have it there. what you could do is to add a new, virtual storage and just install grub and the bios_grub partition there.
[03:56] <duckx0r> tomreyn, Yes. That's what it looks like. I've just never seen a filesystem installed directly on a storage device without using a partition like that.
[03:56] <tomreyn> duckx0r: that's not too uncommon, especially not in virtualization.
[03:56] <duckx0r> tomreyn, What would lead you to think that grub doesn't fit into the MBR?
[03:57] <duckx0r> tomreyn, What if I just remove old images instead of going through all that hassle?
[03:58] <EriC^^> duckx0r: what does "file /dev/sda" give?
[03:58] <duckx0r> EriC^^, /dev/sda: block special (8/0)
[03:59] <EriC^^> duckx0r: try "zgrep blocklist /var/log/apt/term.log.*"
[03:59] <duckx0r> EriC^^, empty
[04:00] <tomreyn> duckx0r: i guess the requirement to have a bios_grub partition (and the reasoning provided for it) if you're bios booting nowadays, as well as the message on line 20 + 24 of https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BPcKxZVQ5q/
[04:02] <EriC^^> duckx0r: how about "zgrep 'Installing for i386-pc' /var/log/apt/term.log.*"
[04:03] <duckx0r> EriC^^, empty as well
[04:03] <EriC^^> so it's never actually updated grub-pc before
[04:03] <mikubuntu> i just bought this laptop and the win10 seems to work fine (as well as it can be expected considering it's windows), but i can't get lubuntu to connect either on etho or wifi ... bought for my friend and she is going back to costa rica 2morrow and i need to get a dual boot set up for her -- can anyone help me with this connection issue -- https://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/sys/d/dell-inspiron-intel-dualcore/6673067163.html
[04:03] <EriC^^> duckx0r: maybe they just have a special way of booting as tomreyn mentioned before, and there's nothing to worry about
[04:05] <duckx0r> EriC^^, Well let's give it a try rebooting... I'll try my least mission-critical server first (since I have 3 and the same thing happened with all of them).
[04:05] <mikubuntu> it doesn't seem to recognize any wifi signals, and direct connect doesn't connect using a live-dvd, although it connects fine in windows - i don't know whether to proceed with side-by-side install without a connection for the process
[04:07] <duckx0r> Well it rebooted fine. Thank you guys for your help.
[04:08] <duckx0r> EriC^^ and tomreyn
[04:08] <tomreyn> duckx0r: welcome.
[04:10] <tomreyn> duckx0r: maybe take a look at https://askubuntu.com/questions/500359/efi-boot-partition-and-biosgrub-partition/501360 - i think this gives a good overview about how grub booting normally works nowadays-
[04:10] <duckx0r> tomreyn, Will do. Thanks
[04:16] <mikubuntu> i just bought this laptop and the win10 seems to work fine (as well as it can be expected considering it's windows), but i can't get lubuntu to connect either on etho or wifi ... bought for my friend and she is going back to costa rica 2morrow and i need to get a dual boot set up for her -- can anyone help me with this connection issue -- https://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/sys/d/dell-inspiron-intel-dualcore/6673067163.html
[04:16] <mikubuntu> it doesn't seem to recognize any wifi signals, and direct connect doesn't connect using a live-dvd, although it connects fine in windows - i don't know whether to proceed with side-by-side install without a connection for the process
[04:18] <Aaron> mikubuntu: check maybe you need the firmware
[04:19] <Aaron> to get the wifi and ethernet working.
[04:19] <Aaron> type dmesg and see if is coming up.
[04:20] <mikubuntu> Aaron: would you say i should just go ahead with the install off the dvd, and then deal with firmware/driver issues?
[04:21] <Aaron> Yeah
[04:21] <Aaron> try installing the firmware-nonfree to a USB
[04:21] <Aaron> so you can install it in the installation to see if it does the trick.
[04:25] <mikubuntu> Aaron: sorry din't see your responses
[04:25] <mikubuntu> Aaron: let me try the dmesg
[04:26] <Aaron> ok
[04:29] <ledeni> mikubuntu: can you give us " lspci | grep Network'
[04:31] <mikubuntu> Aaron: sorry taking so long -- touchpad seems really unresponsive so i'm having trouble scrolling through all the output from dmesg, although i did see something about firmware for broadcom b43 failing to load
[04:31] <Aaron> yeah get the firmware-nonfree
[04:31] <Aaron> and install it
[04:31] <mikubuntu> ledeni: let me try
[04:32] <Aaron> and you'll be good.
[04:32] <cim209> aren't PCs usually easy to install ubuntu?
[04:32] <ledeni> cim209: yes
[04:32] <cim209> i installed ubuntu mate on this 2007 imac just fine
[04:32] <mikubuntu> Aaron: should i go ahead and proceed with the installation with no connection, and THEN do the firmware thing?
[04:32] <cim209> everything works, bluetooth, wifi, etc.
[04:32] <Aaron> mikubuntu: yeah if you'll like.
[04:33] <Aaron> put the firmware-nonfree to a pendrive and later install it
[04:33] <mikubuntu> aaron: can it go on a dvd if i don't have a usb handy?
[04:34] <Aaron> is a very small file.
[04:34] <Aaron> but if you want to install in into a cd go ahead.
[04:35] <mikubuntu> ledeni: i can't find that straight up/down slash mark on the keyboard
[04:37] <ledeni> mikubuntu: lol shift + \
[04:38] <mikubuntu> ledeni: i think i need to find the touchpad preferences first .. lol
[04:39] <mikubuntu> Aaron:  and ledeni , to complicate things, i need to do this install in ESPANOL ... lol
[04:40] <Aaron> mikubuntu: #ubuntu-es
[04:40] <Aaron> !spanish
[04:43] <instantp10neer> I installed Ubuntu 18.04.  I am new to Linux.  I do not understand in which folder it is best to extract new software when the application is provided in a compressed file.  Can anyone assist?  Which folders are not administrator-protected without just dropping things in something such as Documents or even Home?
[04:44] <instantp10neer> AKA where extract compressed application?
[04:44] <cim209> downloads folder is always a destination for me
[04:44] <ryuo> instantp10neer: define software. it's highly variable.
[04:45] <instantp10neer> e. g. a Thunderbird nightly
[04:45] <ryuo> Oh, those.
[04:45] <ryuo> You can extract official Mozilla tarballs to any directory and then run their main executable from their directory.
[04:45] <instantp10neer> an entire application in a compressed file, not available in the repos
[04:46] <instantp10neer> I understand 'it can go anywhere.'  I am hoping there is something akin to Microsoft's "Program Files"
[04:46] <ryuo> I suppose there is under something like ~/.local.
[04:47] <ryuo> There is no official way to resolve it. It goes wherever you want it in this case.
[04:47] <ryuo> Because it's not a system level tarball.
[04:48] <instantp10neer> 18.04 appears to protect /usr/local and /opt/ which means I need admin privileges to extract.
[04:48] <ryuo> there's a good reason for that...
[04:49] <ryuo> you don't want to be messing with system files if you're not sure what you're doing.
[04:49] <mikubuntu> Aaron: i'd feel better getting assistance in english, maybe i should just do the install in english and then add language packs later?
[04:49] <instantp10neer> ryuo That is my point. I am trying to find an unprotected location that is not already in use, such as Program Files and now Downloads.
[04:50] <ryuo> instantp10neer: So make one then. You can create ~/Programs or w/e.
[04:50] <ryuo> That's not reserved by anything.
[04:50] <instantp10neer> ryuo are you saying you know that Ubuntu doesn't already provision something?
[04:50] <cim209> ryuo is trying to say you can make any directory
[04:50] <Aaron> mikubuntu: sure
[04:51] <ryuo> instantp10neer: basically, yes. I've use Linux as a power user since 2008. I don't know of any such location. Even my GOG games install themselves to ~/GOG Games
[04:51] <instantp10neer> I am aware something can be made. That I understand. The question is if something was predetermined akin to Microsoft's "Program Files."
[04:51] <instantp10neer> OK.
[04:51] <instantp10neer> Applications it is.
[04:51] <cim209> liek macs
[04:52] <instantp10neer> Do I have the path character limit, 256~ characters?
[04:52] <ryuo> User installations of programs are not forced to use any particular approach.
[04:52] <ryuo> Yes, but you're unlikely to hit it.
[04:52] <ryuo> Each file can be up to 255 characters, the whole path 4096.
[04:52] <instantp10neer> OK Great. Thank you
[04:52] <instantp10neer> +rep ryuo :)
[04:53] <mikubuntu> Aaron: at this point in the installation, i remember ubuntu used to ask me if i wanted to erase disk and rewrite, or it would recognize another system installed and ask me if i wanted to do a side-by-side install, but it's not asking me that now
[04:53] <ryuo> these are enforced by filesystem limitations.
[04:53] <ryuo> not much you can do about it.
[04:53] <Aaron> mikubuntu: you want to not erase the hard drive just add a partition in GB
[04:54] <ryuo> Though you can have characters in a Linux file name that you can't with windows.
[04:54] <ryuo> I believe the only forbidden characters are / and NUL.
[04:54] <Aaron> so you can later multi boot with Ubuntu to use Windows
[04:55] <cim209> you should live dangerously and just have ubuntu as the only OS
[04:55] <ryuo> instantp10neer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
[04:55] <ryuo> instantp10neer: see here for some info about the FS you're likely using.
[04:55] <madLyfe> so i just transferred a bunch of data to a network drive. 800GB worth. is there a way to compare the data from source to network drive?
[04:57] <EriC^^> how did you transfer it
[04:59] <madLyfe> rsync
[04:59] <madLyfe> but there were some 'hiccups', lets call them.
[04:59] <mikubuntu> Aaron: so it's a samsung 250 gb hdd, should i make a 150 gb partition for lubuntu? (win 10 seems to be using about 500 mb of space right now)
[04:59] <EriC^^> madLyfe: it checksums the data while copying, what hiccups?
[04:59] <madLyfe> just wanna compare them. i know it will take a while but im ok with that
[04:59] <Aaron> mikubuntu: sure. if you'll like
[05:00] <madLyfe> well only if you tell it to checksum
[05:00] <EriC^^> madLyfe: no it checksums by default
[05:01] <madLyfe> i had it error out a few times before completing. just want to make sure.
[05:01] <ryuo> madLyfe: you can generate a checksum file for all the files and compare the copy to the original that way.
[05:01] <EriC^^> madLyfe: ok, run "md5sum /dir > /tmp/md5sum"
[05:02] <ryuo> EriC^^: won't work. it has to specify actual files.
[05:02] <EriC^^> madLyfe: then modify the /tmp/md5sum and run md5sum -c using it on the 2nd dir to compare
[05:03] <ryuo> madLyfe: change directory to the root dir of the original. run this:
[05:03] <EriC^^> madLyfe: find /dir -exec md5sum {} \; > /tmp/md5sum
[05:03] <ryuo> find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sha256sum > ../sha256sums
[05:04] <rsmith31415> Hi guys... anyone knows how to proceed when you have the error in syslog "Microcode SW error detected" and this causes small interruptions? Not sure if I should  create a ticket in a bug tracker or ask a question on Stack Overflow. This is the syslog when the issue occurs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jgVP4fRmwx/
[05:04] <EriC^^> ryuo: maybe he doesn't have write permission to ".." ?
[05:04] <EriC^^> also isn't sha256 a little overkill?
[05:04] <mikubuntu> Aaron: so it's telling me that the current usage is 575 mb ntfs of win10, and 249481 mb unknown -- could you walk me through the partitioning process?
[05:04] <ryuo> EriC^^: Possibly. who knows.
[05:04] <Aaron> !partition
[05:04] <ryuo> EriC^^: maybe, but I use it for sanity checks.
[05:05] <ryuo> md5sum has known hash collisions.
[05:05] <Aaron> mikubuntu: right now I'm using FreeBSD
[05:06] <ryuo> Aaron: you'll have trouble. FreeBSD doesn't have much support for Linux filesystems.
[05:06] <ryuo> If you need to work with those...
[05:06] <Aaron> yeah I'm afraid
[05:07] <madLyfe> so i just need to navigate to the dir i want the hash of?
[05:07] <ryuo> you should boot from a live CD if you need to work with them.
[05:07] <Aaron> I'm thinking of Installing Ubuntu. and FreeBSD in the same partition
[05:07] <EriC^^> madLyfe: nah, type "find /path/to/dir -exec md5sum {} \; > /tmp/md5sum"
[05:07] <ryuo> madLyfe: if you run my version, it will setup the paths relative to the original, making it easy to run checksum -c later.
[05:08] <ryuo> Otherwise... if the absolute paths are different on the destination...
[05:08] <ryuo> you'll run into trouble.
[05:08] <ryuo> you'd need to adjust the paths.
[05:08] <EriC^^> madLyfe: then type "sed -i 's/\/path\/to\/dir/\/path\/to\/2nd\/dir/' /tmp/md5sum" and run "md5sum -c /tmp/md5sum"
[05:09] <EriC^^> ok, use ryuo 's command, it's easier
[05:09] <ryuo> and also omit directories.
[05:09] <EriC^^> i'd use md5sum though if the difference in computation is significantly lower
[05:09] <ryuo> and other stuff that md5sum won't like.
[05:10] <mikubuntu> i'm afraid i'm not capable of understanding the partitioning instructions for new install (side-by-side with Win10) as described at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition
[05:10] <EriC^^> i think sha256 is 10x longer according to a quick "time" test i did now
[05:10] <ryuo> mikubuntu: are you installing both fresh?
[05:10] <mikubuntu> if there's anyone who could help me through this i would so appreciate
[05:10] <ryuo> EriC^^: even so, there's also IO to consider.
[05:11] <mikubuntu> ryuo: no, the win10 is on the box, and i want to install lubuntu 18.04
[05:11] <EriC^^> ryuo: still same thing it will read the stuff, do the computation slower then read
[05:12] <ryuo> EriC^^: don't know that for a fact. it depends on their system.
[05:12] <ryuo> But, yes. SHA256 is generally slow.
[05:12] <mikubuntu> ryuo: ps - i would NEVER install anything windows, but this is for a friend and she insists that she needs to keep windows
[05:12] <ryuo> mikubuntu: Hm. I haven't done that kind of dual boot in a long time.
[05:12] <ryuo> mikubuntu: you'll need to repartition windows somehow so it isn't using the whole disk.
[05:13] <ryuo> you may need to use windows software to do that.
[05:13] <madLyfe> one of them are really slow
[05:13] <ryuo> i haven't dealt with it in years.
[05:13] <madLyfe> is*
[05:13] <EriC^^> madLyfe: sha256 is potentially 10x slower
[05:13] <mikubuntu> ryuo: it used to be fairly automagic, but doesn't seem so anymore
[05:13] <ryuo> mikubuntu: usually what I do is prepartition it how I want, install windows, then install Linux.
[05:14] <madLyfe> `-type f -print0 | xargs -0 sha256sum > ../md5sums`
[05:14] <ryuo> madLyfe: change the command used if you want to try a different algorithm.
[05:14] <EriC^^> madLyfe: you're missing the find at the start, and if you want md5sum use md5sum instead of sha256sum after xargs
[05:14] <ryuo> the stuff after xargs -0 or so.
[05:15] <ryuo> i prefer xargs instead of using -exec, if the command supports processing multiple arguments.
[05:16] <madLyfe> `find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum > ../md5sums`?
[05:16] <EriC^^> madLyfe: yeah, make sure you can write to the ".." dir though
[05:17] <madLyfe> i dont see how that knows where i want it to scan?
[05:17] <EriC^^> madLyfe: it assumes you're in the dir you want scanned
[05:17] <ryuo> It doesn't.
[05:17] <ryuo> it uses the PWD or CWD.
[05:17] <ryuo> (depending on your terms)
[05:19] <madLyfe> so im in the dir i want scanned. it will also put the md5 file output in there after its done?
[05:19] <EriC^^> no, it'll put it in the previous dir
[05:23] <madLyfe> what if there is no previous dir?
[05:23] <EriC^^> it doesnt write anything
[05:23] <madLyfe> well its a zfs pool
[05:24] <EriC^^> use /tmp/md5sum or some other place
[05:24] <madLyfe> so i would be doing it for nothing
[05:24] <EriC^^> keep in mind /tmp gets flushed on reboots
[05:25] <madLyfe> `find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum > /home/user`?
[05:25] <EriC^^> /home/user/md5sum
[05:26] <madLyfe> `find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum > ~/md5sum` is the same?
[05:27] <EriC^^> madLyfe: yeah
[05:28] <madLyfe> i can never remember if `~/` is `/home` or `/home/user`
[05:28] <madLyfe> is ther a flag to show progress?
[05:28] <EriC^^> ~ is /home/user   ~somename is /home/somename
[05:28] <madLyfe> there*
[05:29] <EriC^^> nope no flag, you might be able to spy on it using "tail -f /home/user/md5sum"
[05:31] <madLyfe> `find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum > ~/md5sum tail -f /home/user/md5sum`
[05:32] <EriC^^> no, it's a separate command that you run in another terminal
[05:32] <madLyfe> does it have to be ran before or after?
[05:32] <EriC^^> after
[05:35] <madLyfe> "tail: cannot open '/home/user/md5sum' for reading: No such file or directory
[05:35] <madLyfe> tail: no files remaining"
[05:35] <EriC^^> nevermind
[05:36] <EriC^^> possibly find .... | tee /home/user/md5sum will let you see the output and write it too
[05:38] <madLyfe> see it via nano?
[05:38] <EriC^^> no, it should show the output in the same terminal
[05:39] <madLyfe> `find .... | tee ~/md5sum` ?
[05:39] <EriC^^> yeah
[05:40] <madLyfe> "find: ‘....’: No such file or directory"
[05:44] <m0rd3cai> Hey guys, hope someone can help. im using nextcloud as a snap package and in the readme file for the location of the log files it states the files are located in $SNAP_COMMON. How do i find out what directory $SNAP_COMMON refer to.
[05:45] <mikubuntu> ryuo: thx, i better figure it out before i start doing something and mess the whole system up
[05:45] <ryuo> mikubuntu: i just find it easier to prepartition if the existing install isn't important to preserve.
[05:48] <mikubuntu> ryuo: i wonder why it's not automagic anymore -- the thing is, i won't even TRY to install windows. i don't mind preserving it if it's there, but that's as far as i go with the msoft monster
[05:48] <ryuo> mikubuntu: i still deal with it sometimes.
[05:49] <ryuo> mikubuntu: but it's the approach i've used since Windows XP.
[06:31] <cfhowlett> !ping
[07:01] <wendico> good morning my ubuntu friends. Here is wendico again trying to solve an ubuntu installation to another friend (i installed ubuntu to 8 friends already they are so happy with it)
[07:03] <wendico> This time i got an old but not used HP Compaq Mini with an atom proccesor and only 2gb ram. Live version runs, but after install i can only boot in "save mode" or i got a blank screen with no graphics or console
[07:05] <wendico> Maybe im asking to much installing ubuntu 18 to this old HP, should i try another flavour? if not, coz actually is slow but works, how can i set it up so always boots in graphics save mode? Thank you very much
[07:07] <wendico> Thank you very much for your help and understanding
[07:07] <cim209> wendico, try ubuntu mate
[07:07] <cim209> i installed it on this old 2007 imac and it made the beast work again
[07:08] <wendico> ohh i never heard of it, i just heard of xubuntu, im looking into mate
[07:08] <cfhowlett> @flavors | wendico
[07:08] <cfhowlett> !flavors | wendico
[07:08] <wendico> cim209: cfhowlett: thank you reading on it
[07:11] <wendico> wow, how many flavours, downloading mate right away
[07:11] <cim209> a lot
[07:14] <wendico> i choosed 32bit coz i got 2gb ram but should i go mate 16 or mate 18 for this intel atom 2gb ram mini hp?
[07:15] <cfhowlett> pretty sure atom doesn't support 32bit ...
[07:15] <cim209> i went with the 64 bit
[07:15] <cim209> and i only have 2.5gb ram
[07:16] <wendico> cfhowlett: ooh wow ty for the tip, so i go back to 64bit. what about 16 or 18, it shows both versions to download and both LTS, since is a clean install should i go 18 or better 16 to be faster?
[07:17] <cim209> go with 16.04
[07:17] <cfhowlett> IMHO lts versions are better.  your mileage may vary. I don't upgrade until the xx.1 release so 18.04.1 would seem reasonable.
[07:18] <cfhowlett> 64 bit is good for 4gb of ram and above.  you haven't got that so ... 32bit!
[07:18] <cim209> i'm using 64 bit with 2.5gb ram
[07:19] <cim209> still snappy as ever
[07:19] <cfhowlett> eh!??  full gui or server cim209 ?
[07:19] <cim209> full gui
[07:19] <cim209> ubuntu mate
[07:19]  * cfhowlett stands corrected ... and humbled
[07:19] <cim209> lol
[07:19] <wendico> Thats what page says, if 2gb go for 32 but u just said my intel atom dont support 32bit
[07:20] <cim209> if you have only 2gb ram, ubuntu will still run on 64 bit
[07:20] <[vbm]> wendico: if mate does work ell for you, consider lubuntu
[07:21] <wendico> ok, so im downloading 32bit mate, lets try and then i tell u my findings and consider lubuntu
[07:21] <cim209> make sure you install ubuntu internet first, then update
[07:21] <cim209> without internet first*
[07:22] <wendico> ok, thank u for the tip, i install without internet
[07:23] <cim209> the installer missed several files for me when i included internet update during install
[07:24] <cfhowlett> cim209, my issue with internet on installation is that the locale sets up wrong.  in post installation, I manually reset it as well as localize my software soures
[07:24] <cfhowlett> ...sources...
[07:24] <wendico> finnally im downloading both 32 and 64 bit just in case, i try 32 first as recommended on the web, if my intel atom dont support then i go for the 64
[07:25] <cim209> you'll need an ethernet cable lol
[07:26] <wendico> by the way, while downloading, i have another strange problem. i Got an acer aspire f15 with fresh ubuntu 18 install but i have a small problem, i dont have "right click" on my mouse integrated laptop pad, why? i can right click on that pad on other os
[07:28] <esro> try auto installing drivers
[07:30] <wendico> trying^^
[07:31] <[vbm]> wendico: what is your atom device?
[07:33] <cim209> wendico, https://i.imgur.com/FvTDKin.jpg
[07:36] <cim209> anyone here use plank?
[07:37] <cim209> having an issue with plank. when i minimize a window, that window stays focused and i can't minimize the others that are opened until i click the other icons in the dock
[07:38] <cim209> i'd have to click the icon in the dock or press alt + tab
[07:39] <wendico> [vbm] I have a intel atom n455 1.66ghz
[07:40] <wendico> cim209: looks nice, going for it
[07:41] <[vbm]> is it a tablet? what OS did it come originally with?
[07:42] <wendico> [vbm] ohh maybe you are asking my device, sorry english 3rd language. It is a Mini laptop HP Compaq Mini ç
[07:43] <wendico> windows 7 out of the box
[07:45] <wendico> still downloading mate, slow connection, in case u have another sugestion, windows is erased allready
[07:45] <cfhowlett> torrent!  always!  never dl ...
[07:45] <[vbm]> check if it has windows 32 or 64 bits. my bet is 32. if so, you can run ubuntu 64 bits on it but you will probably have to copy bootia32 onto the USB in order for it to boot :)
[07:46] <cim209> torrent is way faster
[07:46] <cim209> brb
[07:47] <[vbm]> :) I have an old aldi 2in1 tablet running atom. it was a PITA to get it to work at first but now it runs fine.
[07:54] <[vbm]> when I first got it running I also had to modify the USB to include the kernel patches necessary to get the wifi working, but you shouldn't need to do that with the newest kernels
[07:54] <wendico> i cant check now if it was 32 or 64 bit, no sticker and already deleated, i dont use torrent because is slow connection on my side, im on unlimited plan 3g connection
[07:56] <[vbm]> try to install the 64, if you can't boot the 64 but can boot the 32, you can modify the 64 USB to make it boot.
[07:58] <[vbm]> https://askubuntu.com/questions/775498/ubuntu-on-32-bit-uefi-only-based-tablet-pc
[07:59] <[vbm]> if you get stuck, you can try this https://linuxiumcomau.blogspot.com/search?q=baytrail
[08:00] <wendico> [vbm] actually i did installed and runned 64 bit ubuntu so i guess i wont have problems 64 mate
[08:00] <wendico> Thank you very much for the help
[08:01] <wendico> i will tell how it goes in an hour or so.... 3g connection... hehehehe
[08:01] <[vbm]> :)
[08:03] <JimBuntu> wendico, FWIW:  I think the only non-64bit Atoms are the N2XX and Z5XX series.
 so i think im righ with the 64 since i got the n455
[08:12] <ryuo> https://ark.intel.com/products/49491/Intel-Atom-Processor-N455-512K-Cache-1_66-GHz
[08:12] <ryuo> 64 bit is listed, so yes.
[08:13] <wendico> thank you my friends
[08:15] <ryuo> 2G max... i can see why some stuck with 32 bit.
[08:16] <ryuo> the full benefits of 64 bit aren't realized until 4G of RAM at least.
[08:52] <jost_> Hi! I have two 2TB HDDs, which are combined in a software raid, with 4 partitions (having a total size of about 50GB). I'd like to create another partition/raid1 device on those disks taking up the remaining space.
[08:52] <jost_> How do I do that with mdadm?
[08:54] <jost_> The partition table type is ms-dos, and the new partition needs to be in the extended partition
[08:54] <SwedeMike> jost_: do you have one or four md volumes?
[08:54] <jost_> SwedeMike, currently, 3
[08:55] <jost_> umh, sorry, four
[08:56] <SwedeMike> jost_: ok, then you create new partition on each drive and then you create a new mdadm raid1 to make those two partitions become a single raid1 md volume, then you need to get that into /etc/mdadm.conf so it's properly started at boot, then create a filesystem on this md volume, and then put this into /etc/fstab so it's mounted whereever you want it to be
[08:56] <jost_> SwedeMike: Ok, thanks :-)
[08:56] <SwedeMike> jost_: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-create-raid-arrays-with-mdadm-on-ubuntu-16-04 seems to talk about this
[08:57] <jost_> Yes, I found a ton of resources, but they all leave out the "create partitions first, then do mdadm" step
[08:58] <SwedeMike> jost_: so you'll create new md volume in raid1 mode with /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb6 (or whatever number the new partition is)
[09:21] <Simounet> Hello there, I reinstall Ubuntu over an old Ubuntu 16.04 and everything works fine except that I can see the Windows 10 installed on another drive from grub anymore.
[09:22] <Simounet> I tried boot-repair and os-prober (after mounting the Win partition) without any luck.
[09:22] <Simounet> Might be an UEFI issue but I'm not sure if I have install Ubuntu correctly with it.
[09:34] <EriC^^> Simounet: you mean windows has disappeared from grub?
[09:34] <Simounet> EriC^^: Yep.
[09:35] <EriC^^> Simounet: are you booted in ubuntu right now?
[09:35] <Simounet> Yep.
[09:35] <EriC^^> Simounet: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[09:35] <EriC^^> also "ls /sys/firmware/efi && echo efi" let me know what they report
[09:36] <EriC^^> the 2nd command just if it gives a list of dirs or not is enough
[09:36] <Simounet> $ ls /sys/firmware/efi && echo efi
[09:36] <Simounet> config_table  efivars  esrt  fw_platform_size  fw_vendor  runtime  runtime-map  systab  vars
[09:36] <Simounet> efi
[09:36] <Simounet> The second command.
[09:37] <Simounet> The first one just ran well.
[09:37] <EriC^^> Simounet: did it give you a link back?
[09:37] <Simounet> No. :/
[09:38] <EriC^^> Simounet: give it another go
[09:38] <Simounet> http://termbin.com/6ycgx
[09:38] <Simounet> Better. :p
[09:39] <Simounet> Windows is on sda
[09:39] <EriC^^> Simounet: it looks like ubuntu is installed in uefi mode and windows in legacy mode, you'll need to reinstall ubuntu in legacy mode for it to see windows
[09:40] <Simounet> Oh thanks.
[09:40] <EriC^^> no problem
[09:40] <Simounet> I was thinking about this but didn't want to make it until confirmation.
[09:40] <Simounet> How did you saw that?
[09:41] <EriC^^> Simounet: ubuntu is running in uefi mode, it has a fat32 efi partition and windows is using msdos partition table (windows cant use msdos + uefi) and no efi partition
[09:42] <Simounet> EriC^^, That makes sense. Thank you for you explanation.
[09:42] <EriC^^> no problem
[09:43] <TJ-> Has anyone managed to integrate pppoe with systemd-networkd?
[09:44] <Simounet> EriC^^: on reinstall, I'll need to remove the sde1 EFI partition, am I right?
[09:45] <EriC^^> Simounet: yeah it's not needed, just make sure to boot the live usb in legacy mode
[09:45] <Simounet> EriC^^: How can I be sure? I remember yesterday ticking a box with secure boot.
[09:46] <Simounet> (sorry for bothering you, just want to be sure before reboot)
[09:48] <EriC^^> Simounet: try to use the one time boot menu to boot the live usb, and choose USB and not USB UEFI, then when the live usb boots open a terminal and run "ls /sys/firmware/efi" to see if you're running uefi mode or not, if it says dir not found then you're using legacy
[09:53] <Simounet> EriC^^: Thanks again! I'll note that down. :p
[09:53] <EriC^^> Simounet: no worries :D
[10:06] <instantp10neer> I have an application that I cannot pin (Add Favorite or drag and drop) to GNOME 3's dash (taskbar).  Any recommendations?
[10:08] <instantp10neer> There are many instructions online to create a .desktop file. The problem is I would like it to use the icon it shows when it is open.
[10:13] <Simounet`> EriC^^: It's me (again). I'm on the live USB stick but it seems UEFI only because /sys/firmware/efi isn't empty.
[10:20] <EriC^^> Simounet`: which pc model is it?
[10:20] <Simounet`> It's a desktop from 2015.
[10:20] <Simounet`> But everything was working fine before trying to reinstall Ubuntu.
[10:21] <Simounet`> I was used to dual boot between Ubuntu 16.04 and Windows 10.
[10:27] <EriC^^> Simounet`: did you get the one-time boot option menu?
[10:27] <EriC^^> it's possibly F11,F12
[10:27] <EriC^^> F9,F10 perhaps
[10:28] <Simounet`> EriC^^:  I'll try that. I didn't have to install Ubuntu again on my USB key with different option for legacy mode?
[10:28] <TxTablet>  sometimes escape then f9
[10:28] <EriC^^> Simounet`: no, not unless it was specifically made for uefi-only booting
[10:29] <EriC^^> Simounet`: if you do "sudo parted -ls" it should show 2 partitions, one efi
[10:29] <EriC^^> if it's just one efi partition it's probably uefi only
[10:30] <Simounet`> https://thepasteb.in/p/lOhO80wzV17CB
[10:34] <greenEarth> How to secure mysql server so that other PCs in my local network can connect to sql (only me)? With ufw?
[10:35] <greenEarth> can't*
[10:36] <EriC^^> Simounet`: looks like it's uefi only
[10:37] <Simounet`> I'll try to make a new live USB key with etcher.
[10:45] <blackflow> greenEarth: with a firewall yes, if you want to limit possibility of connection, but it'd be wise to also use strong authentication too.
[10:51] <greenEarth> blackflow, and what I have to do to protect apache server?
[11:01] <blackflow> greenEarth: protect against what?
[11:04] <neurre> hi
[11:05] <neurre> does ubuntu standard installation come with command line command to view png file?
[11:05] <EriC^^> neurre: try "xdg-open /path/to/png"
[11:05] <greenEarth> blackflow, other computers accessing the web hosted by the apache server.
[11:06] <EriC^^> neurre: it's a general command to open with whatever is set to open png
[11:06] <neurre> thanks
[11:06] <EriC^^> no problem
[11:17] <blackflow> greenEarth: also with firewall then, if you want to limit IPs.
[11:18] <greenEarth> ok thanks blackflow
[12:43] <bipul> I'm looking for a help regarding routing. Please find the details here https://pastebin.com/raw/suh91sTp  , I have enabled on host  net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf. But still i'm unable to ping from node2  to node1.
[12:59] <TJ-> bipul: looks like you diagram is incorrect; you're showing HOST <--< node1 on enp2s0, but it's on virbr0 isn't it?
[12:59] <bipul> TJ-: Wait let me share you in details
[13:00] <TJ-> bipul: also, do all other directions work for ping (HOST -> node2, HOST -> node1, node1 -> node2) ?
[13:03] <TJ-> bipul: it'd help to see from host: "pastebinit <( ip link show; ip addr show; ip route show; sudo iptables -S; for n in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/forwarding; do echo $n=$(cat $n); done )"
[13:04] <ChunkzZ> is there a download manager for using with terminal? I'm on a headless server...
[13:06] <bipul> TJ-: Please find the details here https://pastebin.com/raw/2ytctJty   I have tried to share in more precise way, I'm still learning if you find something need to put on routing table please help me to know :)
[13:06] <Helenah> Hi
[13:06] <Helenah> Okay so... for the life of me, I can't get kexec to work...
[13:07] <Helenah> I've tried: kexec -l /boot/vmlinuz-%i --initrd=/boot/initramfs-%i.img --reuse-cmdline && kexec -l
[13:07] <Helenah> The init system says "Rebooting with kexec", but then my whole system actually reboots....
[13:07] <Helenah> I want to use kexec because my system takes forever to get past the BIOS.
[13:09] <TJ-> !info aria2 | ChunkzZ
[13:10] <bipul> TJ-: I have enabled port forwaring at /etc/sysctl.conf
[13:10] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, yeah I seen that but I want history, like to see what I've downloaded before.
[13:11] <Helenah> *kexec -e
[13:14] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: are you using the --log= option/
[13:15] <TJ-> bipul: it looks like a host issue since node2 can ping node1 192.168.123.1 and 192.168.122.1 - I'd suspect firewall rules if you're sure all ipv4 forwarding is enabled for vnet0/virbr0
[13:20] <duoi> what are the current reasons to hate Unity?
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | duoi
[13:21] <duoi> yay
[13:23] <bipul> TJ-: Humm.. thank you.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:25] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, no?
[13:27] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: I'd expect enabling logging would record the URL history amongst other things
[13:27] <ChunkzZ> how?
[13:27] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: "man aria2" see the "--log=" option
[13:28] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, No manual entry for aria2
[13:31] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: ahhh, it's "man aria2c" !
[13:31] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: I presume the 'c' means 'client'
[13:34] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, aria2 isn't what I need, I need something that can show history of previously downloaded stuff.
[13:34] <ChunkzZ> maybe something like a gui from terminal?
[13:34] <ChunkzZ> not a "log"
[13:36] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: I'm not aware of anything else that doesn't require a GUI
[13:38] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: looks like issue #1237 in the arias2 github project covers download history
[13:39] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: there's also a project "webui-aria2" which looks to do what you need
[13:41] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: there's also persepolisdm, another front-end for aria2
[13:43] <bipul> TJ-:  This is my default  iptable rules on host 1 https://pastebin.com/raw/bJ03JnJS
[13:44] <bipul> Here is how network cofiguration looks like https://pastebin.com/raw/SQq9LDXA
[13:45] <TJ-> bipul: the 4 rules similar to this look suspicious: "-A FORWARD -o virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable"
[13:45] <TJ-> bipul: especially since your ping test was reporting "From 192.168.123.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable"
[13:46] <bipul> No i was able to ping
[13:46] <Helenah> ChunkzZ: You mean a TUI (Terminal User Interface)?
[13:47] <TJ-> bipul: No, you weren't. I'm reporting what your pastebin shows, for "node2@192-168-123-13:~$ ping 192.168.122.112"
[13:47] <bipul> but note from   node2@192-168-123-13:~$ ping 192.168.122.112
[13:48] <bipul> see here https://pastebin.com/raw/2ytctJty
[13:49] <duoi> okay, so i need some hand holding! https://imgur.com/a/tEkgvj2 what should i be nuking when it comes time to installing 18.04 over this 14.04 installation and not deleting all my files?
[13:49] <bipul> okay.
[13:58] <BluesKaj> duoi,   separate / and /home partitions?
[14:00] <duoi> hmm
[14:02] <BluesKaj> if you don't recall setting them up then most likely not
[14:03] <duoi> the 'hmm' in this case was geared to whether or not i should just wipe everything
[14:04] <duoi> ill figure this one out solo
[14:04] <duoi> cheers
[14:04] <tomreyn> well it says separate / and /home exist
[14:04] <BluesKaj> duoi, scroll down to the answer here, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1015728/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-from-14-04-to-18-04
[14:04] <compdoc> I brought home a 14.04 server to update over this long weekend
[14:04] <compdoc> gonna wipe it
[14:06] <tomreyn> duoi: if you want to keep your data from 14.04 (on /home), you'd want to replace sdb1 and sdb5. the swap partition (sdb1) is probably larger than you need it to be.
[14:07] <tomreyn> duoi: personally i'd make sure i have a backup and repartition the entire disk.
[14:14] <duoi> tomreyn, i might just put this on hold for now
[14:14] <BluesKaj> set the mountpoint for /home and install to / should work
[14:14] <duoi> the idea was that id trial it before putting it on a laptop
[14:15] <blakes5> Morning. I'm trying to setup kismet to run at boot time. It looks like the server runs at boot, but I don't get any networks listed. Seems like there's a problem accessing the capture nic. When ran as a user after boot the kismet server runs perfectly and everything works. I don't know how to go about troubleshooting this and was wondering if someone could help me understand whats going on.
[14:15] <duoi> but i might just cross that bridge when i get to it in a week or so
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> blakes5: try the #kismet channel or the manpage
[14:30] <blakes5> lotuspsychje, yeah thanks for that.
[14:30] <blakes5> Still looking for not so obvious answers.
[14:55] <ikonia> why are you looking for not obvious answers ?
[14:55] <ikonia> the obvious answers are probably the right ones
[15:02] <blakes5> Because I've already looked for the obvious answers. And why would anyone assume that someone who is able to make a program work in a default case hadn't already read the manpage? Kismet does not work out of the box. You actually have to know how to configure it. But, I gave a none standard case where it does not work...for which I'm looking for a problem.
[15:02] <ikonia> how did you configure it to start at boot ?
[15:03] <ikonia> a man page isn't debugging or going to give you obvious answers
[15:03] <ikonia> I don't see a "non-standard" use case
[15:03] <originalabhay> so
[15:04] <ikonia> hence why the obvious answers are probably the right ones
[15:04] <originalabhay> my ubuntu fails  to detect elan touchpad driver
[15:04] <originalabhay> i am on lenovo ideapad 330
[15:04] <blakes5> I'm running kismet_server using rc.local.
[15:05] <ikonia> blakes5: ok, so you don't have any depdencies met
[15:05] <ikonia> how confident are you that the network interface is up and configured when kismet tries to bind to it ?
[15:05] <blakes5> Not confident at all, but I don't know how to check that.
[15:06] <fudoki> bring up browser, run a speed test
[15:06] <ikonia> fudoki: what ?
[15:06] <fudoki> to test connectivity - or ping from a terminal
[15:07] <ikonia> blakes5: ok, so either a.) move the startup process outside of rc.local and right a proper systemd unit file with dependencies b.) put in some debug statements in the rc.local
[15:07] <ikonia> fudoki: did you read the problem - it's an init script launching the application, how would running a ping test after the script has executed prove the network is available before it executes ?
[15:08] <blakes5> Where would I find more information about debug statements?
[15:08] <fudoki> sry, late to game - in this case I would check the order of init script execution to ensure net is configured prior to rc.local execution
[15:08] <ikonia> blakes5: you write them, eg: common checks to see if the network is configured, eg: write the network config to a file before launching the kismet binary so you can see if it's actually configured or not
[15:09] <fudoki> regardless, a ping test would show if the network was broken
[15:09] <ikonia> blakes5: this is the "obvious" stuff I was suggesting
[15:09] <ikonia> fudoki: not if the network doesn't respond to icmp
[15:09] <originalabhay> please reply
[15:09] <fudoki> that's why an HTTP method of diag was my first suggestion
[15:10] <TJ-> blakes5: is your kismet start-up script ensuring the interface is in monitor-mode ?
[15:10] <ikonia> fudoki: from a browser....
[15:10] <fudoki> correct
[15:10] <ikonia> fudoki: so that adds no value to an init script debug
[15:10] <fudoki> no, other than to rule out a broken network setup
[15:10] <ikonia> fudoki: no it doesn't
[15:11] <ikonia> fudoki: the network works after the init script - he can start the binary manually
[15:11] <blakes5> TJ-, this is kismet v2009. It appears to automatically place the nic in monitor mode. However, I have attempted to run airmon-ng check kill and airmon-ng start <nic> before the script. It doesn't seem to do anything
[15:11] <fudoki> define network setup, it won't confirm or deny the kismet setup, but will show if the network connection is, for general purposes, live or dead
[15:12] <TJ-> blakes5: which Ubuntu release is it on?
[15:12] <TJ-> fudoki: kismet doesn't use networking as such; it operates at the Radio Frequency interface level
[15:12] <ikonia> fudoki: the network works - we already know this, the question is is the network available/in the right state before kismet is run
[15:12] <fudoki> OIC, sry to add any confusion
[15:12] <TJ-> Generally, when the interface is in Monitor mode, it can't also be operated in Managed/Ad-Hoc mode
[15:14] <TJ-> blakes5: so far as I can see the oldest version of kismet we support is 2013.03, in 14.04 Trusty
[15:14] <blakes5> TJ-, it's 18.04
[15:14] <TJ-> !info kismet bionic
[15:15] <TJ-> blakes5: so v2016.07, not v2009
[15:15] <blakes5> TJ- I might have my versions wrong. I've worked with several on different systems.
[15:15] <TJ-> blakes5: "apt list --installed kismet"
[15:16] <blakes5> I was wrong on the version. It's 2016.
[15:16] <blakes5> I just checked dpkg
[15:16] <ikonia> run the command TJ- asked for please
[15:17] <ikonia> blakes5: are you sure this isn't raspbian you're using ?
[15:17] <ikonia> with that version ?
[15:17] <TJ-> blakes5: if you're starting it from /etc/rc.local, on 18.04, that infers systemd is running the sysv-init compatibility layer. Is it possible that isn't happening at all? Did you try adding a tell-tale to /etc/rc.local of the form "touch /var/log/kismet-boot" and check that file is created at boot?
[15:18] <blakes5> ikonia, in this case? No.
[15:18] <ikonia> ah, rasbian has 2009
[15:18] <blakes5> TJ- honestly, I don't know linux boot processes very well so it is something I struggle with.
[15:19] <blakes5> Let take a little time researching some of the things you've mentioned to get up to speed
[15:19] <TJ-> blakes5: well, /etc/rc.local belongs to the old sysv-init, which has been replaced by systemd. systemd does compatibility to call those /etc/init.d/ scripts and so on, but it's worth confirming that is actually happening
[15:20] <blakes5> TJ- I was trying to avoid learnign how to write a startup script which is why I was using rc.local
[15:20] <TJ-> blakes5: just add "touch /var/log/kismet-boot" to /etc/rc.local (before the last line which should be "exit 0") and then reboot to test it. If when you log-in /var/log/kismet-boot does NOT exist, you know /etc/rc.local wasn't executed
[15:21] <blakes5> TJ- Thanks. I'll try that.
[15:21] <jeromelanteri> hi, i have some problem with nfs, i do etc exports files: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wYqQjP4k8g/ and when i read exportsfs -v it show for each directory a ro and a rw... and then from client side, it is read only instead of rw. why ?
[15:22] <jeromelanteri> like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QHNVRkZYxK/
[15:22] <jeromelanteri> ubuntu-18.04.1-LTS
[15:22] <deskwizard> Howdy
[15:24] <deskwizard> sanity check, I can only get libcrypto++9v5 on 16.04 and not libcrypto++9, correct?
[15:28] <jeromelanteri> ho ok.... a char space between ipv4 address and next is a wrong syntax... find ! thank you for your help.
[15:29] <fudoki> systemd makes everything I know (since ~1981) wrong.....
[15:35] <compdoc> learn new things
[15:37] <fudoki> yeah, compdoc, that's a programmer/engineer's life, but systemd is no trivial change!
[15:38] <compdoc> luckily, I just have to learn to start/start/enable/disable stuff. I dont have to craft systemd stuff
[15:39] <fudoki> nor do I, no longer comp sci/ linguistics prof, retired - but still have some pretty "big iron" at home
[15:39] <compdoc> Im upgrading a server this weekend from 14.04 to 18.04. I just wipe and install and never have have to worry about it
[15:40] <fudoki> the easiest way
[15:40] <fudoki> and best
[15:40] <fudoki> my weekend project is close to that - 16.04 to 18.04
[15:40] <fudoki> on my HP laptop
[15:41] <fudoki> planning to change sources.lst and upgrade everything, then issue "dist-upgrade" command - and hold my breath...
[15:43] <fudoki> has anyone out there had a prob upgrading a laptop from 16.04 to 18.04?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> fudoki, why not just use the LTS only upgrade flag then sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:47] <BluesKaj> fudoki, and make sure you update and upgrade your existing  packages first
[15:47] <fudoki> that sounds beautifully straightforward, will try and find a doc to give details
[15:48] <fudoki> is the flag set by selecting "LTS only" in Synaptic, etc.?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> LTS only upgrade is usually set in the package manager
[15:48] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:48] <fudoki> got it, then issue upgrade dist command in terminal?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> yes iin the terminal  sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:49] <fudoki> do i need to manually rename the distro in sources.lst, or does do-release-upgrade do that for me?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> but sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade, first
[15:50] <fudoki> yes, was planning to - if only to speed up the process
[15:50] <fudoki> current 16.04 updates this morning.
[15:50] <BluesKaj> no need to change the sources.list manually, the do-release upgrade will do that automatically
[15:51] <originalabhay> nobody has answered mr
[15:51] <originalabhay> me
[15:51] <fudoki> thanks so much BluesKaj - love terminal solutions, you can see what is happening
[15:52] <BluesKaj> fudoki, yes absolutely
[15:54] <fudoki> only PaleMoon upgrade has come up since 09:00 GMT-5, am letting it update before I comment out all non-Ubuntu repos
[15:55] <fudoki> I run Debian Stable on my two servers, and Ubuntu on my laptops
[15:56] <BluesKaj> non ubuntu repos, that's chancy
[15:56] <fudoki> that's why I comment them out - just Google Earth and Pale Moon
[15:57] <fudoki> would never use any unofficial repos - scary!
[15:58] <fudoki> I see there's an "avenger" on here - my original chat handle back in the early 1980's!!!
[15:59] <BluesKaj> fudoki, they're probly located in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, so they'll be dia=sabled anyway
[15:59] <BluesKaj> disabled
[15:59] <fudoki> ah!  I'll check, back in a sec
[16:00] <BluesKaj> once you begin the release upgrade
[16:03] <fudoki> they are present and in good shape - so I can just proceed and do-release-upgrade will automatically handle everything?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:04] <fudoki> gotta love Ubuntu!  I'm a Debian contributor (since "Sarge"), but Ubuntu is truly "the Windows killer"
[16:06] <originalabhay> ubuntu i sgreat
[16:06] <fudoki> Kaj, would you mind if I added you to my friends list?  regardless, thanks for the great shortcut - should be back in 45mins or so with 18.04 running
[16:06] <originalabhay> even i myself use it
[16:07] <BluesKaj> I like debian , and even ran it for about 6 months last yr ... even Buster was too stable, not exactly exciting
[16:07] <originalabhay> debian
[16:07] <fudoki> the last thing I want out of me servers is exciting...
[16:07] <fudoki> c/me/my
[16:08] <BluesKaj> fudoki heh, yes , understood :-)
[16:08] <fudoki> exciting is what girlfriends and big stereos are for...
[16:09]  * BluesKaj nods
[16:09] <BluesKaj> i have this pc integrated into my HT system
[16:09] <fudoki> but systemd must be dealt with, regardless - even the big D says it's the way to go, so folks like can only get the new books and read 'em!
[16:10] <fudoki> that's the bomb! don't have a TV in my "workshop", but the stereo and various pieces of radio and recording equipment all connect to one of my servers, the DAW
[16:10] <BluesKaj> systemd is regarded as a necessary, but umwanted fact of linux life these days
[16:11] <fudoki> yeah, and I had sworn that Python would be the last language I learned (#13), but the good news is the mind stays young with constant memorisation
[16:13] <fudoki> thanks Kaj, be back in about an hour, appreciate the help!
[16:15] <BluesKaj> fudoki, ok, hope all goes well
[16:30] <Fish-Guts> Hi. I cannot connect using SSH anymore. What i did so far: rebooted, reinstalled ssh / openssh-server, IP remained unchanged, rdp is okay, ping is okay, remote system is up and running
[16:30] <Fish-Guts> any pointers?
[16:31] <Fish-Guts> ah and SSH from localhost works, so it's most likely not an SSH issue
[16:32] <mouses> Having a issue that is a little beyond me here.  Older Acer Aspire V5, running xubuntu 18.04 -> all was fine for 2 weeks post install.  Had system setup to autolog in the primary user.  Suddenly, as of today - it boots fine, puts me in a GUI login screen.  I enter the user name and password (which I am 100% sure is correct).  Screen goes back for 3 seconds, and then pops back on with the same login screen.
[16:33] <mouses> Fish-Guts: Remote system = you able to check logs?  Maybe it's blocking you due to something like fail2ban or denyhosts?
[16:33] <Fish-Guts> mouses, i can check but i didn't change anything in the setup and it worked fine until 2 days ago
[16:33] <mouses> Fish-Guts: make any changes to ~/.ssh/config lately maybe?
[16:34] <mouses> Fish-Guts: yeah, check the server side's logs.  If you want you can PM me and I can see if I can get a ssh login request to it from here.
[16:37] <Fish-Guts> mouses, i'm tailing the log now
[16:38] <Fish-Guts> log stays clear
[16:38] <Fish-Guts> it seem to be a connection issue
[16:38] <Fish-Guts> but i can't figure it out
[16:38] <mouses> Fish-Guts: Ugh.  Do you have another machine on your LAN you can try to ssh from, just so we can isolate it 100% down to a problem on this specific machine?
[16:39] <Fish-Guts> sure, several
[16:40] <Fish-Guts> however, it didn't work from multiple machines anyway
[16:40] <Fish-Guts> neither my desktop nor my computer at the office or my laptop
[16:40] <Fish-Guts> and it worked from all of these location until two days ago
[16:42] <Fish-Guts> and it's not just "connection refused" - it's a timeout. Port is open and forwarded to that machine
[16:44] <mouses> Fish-Guts: Oh, if it's not working from multiple machines on your lan AND systems outside your LAN...
[16:44] <mouses> Fish-Guts: pretty sure issue is server side :(
[16:44] <mouses> Fish-Guts: server side firewall might be eating things
[16:44] <Fish-Guts> the strange thing is that it suddenly stopped working
[16:45] <Fish-Guts> and I'm only with access to that firewall
[16:45] <madLyfe> EriC^^/ryuo either of you guys around?
[16:45] <Fish-Guts> oh well, maybe i should just reinstall
[16:45] <Fish-Guts> not that much data on it :)
[16:46] <mouses> hehehehe
[16:53] <jamie1> hey anyone able to help me with this crash on gimp on ubuntu https://dpaste.de/rhuT
[16:53] <jamie1> it just crashes while im running it randomly, nothing specific, just doing the same thing ive been doing since i started the program
[16:56] <tomreyn> jamie1: which ubuntu version? are the gimp and xcp packages those of ubuntu?
[16:57] <jamie1> im on lubuntu 18.04 which should be ubntu 18.04
[16:57] <tomreyn> jamie1: okay, full yupdated?
[16:57] <jamie1> yes
[16:58] <jamie1> doesnt help im on a potato laptop
[17:00] <tomreyn> jamie1: please run: dpkg -l xcb\* libxcb\* gimp\* | pastebinit
[17:01] <jamie1> one sec.... waiting on computer to restart
[17:01] <tomreyn> did you upgrade to 18.04 (from which version) or is this a fresh installation of 18.04?
[17:02] <jamie1> install of 18.04... i fresh install more than i probably need just because its easier than sorting through everything i need to delete XD
[17:02] <madLyfe> so i ran `find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum > ~/md5sum` to generate an md5sum file on two dirs to compare them. how do i do that?
[17:03] <jamie1> and have to reinstall gimp, i removed and i am doing a reboot and reinstall of gimp
[17:04] <jamie1> i hate hdd.... so slow
[17:05]  * tomreyn has got plenty of time
[17:06] <jamie1> i need my desktop ram to just come in so i can actually make use of my work time :/
[17:07] <madLyfe> i also had a crash notification that didnt really give me any info. and this process is running high and im not extracting anything. not sure if related to the crash/md5sum process: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/sX084tjD/image.png
[17:09] <jamie1> brb.... apparently there was an update i missed yesterday
[17:10] <jamie1> okay, tomreyn http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6mf77X7bz6/
[17:15] <tomreyn> jamie1: okay, those versions are proper, i got the same on this ubuntu (not lubuntu) 18.04.1 system here.
[17:16] <tomreyn> jamie1: something i notice is that i have libxcb-res0 installed and you don't. attempting to remove this package here would cause removal of gnome3 and ubuntu-desktop, so i guess it may be important tot have this package installed for you as well.
[17:16] <RonaldsMazitis> hello everyone, I have problems with restoring contacts on my android phone from ubuntu
[17:17] <RonaldsMazitis> I did factory reset, but I copied all the files from memmory to pc before
[17:17] <RonaldsMazitis> I thought contacts were on SIM but it turns out they are on phone itself
[17:18] <tomreyn> jamie1: so while i'm not entirely sure what this package does i suggest you install it and see if this issue reoccurs. and if so, file a bug against gimp
[17:18] <tomreyn> "ubuntu-bug gimp"
[17:18] <RonaldsMazitis> I can't find contacts.db nor the folder structure data/data in files I made as backup
[17:19] <Galbi3000> I have a problem with Ubuntu on my small PC. vmlinuz-4.15.* does not work on the computer but 4.4.0-133 does. How can I prevent apt-get from updating to new version that don't work?
[17:19] <jamie1> okay tomreyn ill give it a try
[17:20] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: i don't think we can help with android, nor with finding your missing files really. how did you backup? using a software availabl ein ubuntu?
[17:21] <jamie1> thanks for the help tomreyn, im just gonna save at least one a minute and hope i can at least get one thumbnail done if that doesnt fix it before i have to go to my other job
[17:21] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: which ubuntu release is this? lsb_release -ds
[17:21] <tomreyn> jamie1: good luck!
[17:22] <Galbi3000> 18.04.1 LTS
[17:23] <RonaldsMazitis> tomreyn: I just copied all the files from memmory
[17:23] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: you wont be able to run kernel 4.4.0 there, or should not. it comes with 4.15. maybe you have a leftover 4.4.0 installed from a recent distribution upgrade, but you should focus on getting 5.14 to work. tell us what doesn't work well with 4.15, and how you know.
[17:24] <RonaldsMazitis> I could not find working ubuntu software for restoring contacts
[17:24] <Galbi3000> 4.15 kernels freeze at bootup with a kernel panic code 0x00000008
[17:24] <Galbi3000> 4.4 works fine
[17:25] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: can you show a screenshot? maybe take a photo with a smartphone and upload it to imgur.com or tinypic.com, if possible.
[17:25] <RonaldsMazitis> BYclouder Android Phone Data Recovery does not show mounted phone device
[17:25] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: also tell us about your hardware
[17:26] <Galbi3000> It's old hardware, can't even remember the specs it's so old! I use it as a TeamSpeak server and also have it running a few other small tasks
[17:26] <gygax> Is it possible to install disk-checking utilities to a Linux Live ISO booted off a thumb drive?
[17:26] <Galbi3000> 4Gb RAM I know for sure.... Hold on, I'll go reboot it and get what specs I can from BIOS
[17:26] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: i'm not actually aware of any oftwar ein uubntu to support android backups (other than adb, i guess)- i'd suggest you seek support from the support channel of the (commercial?) software you're trying to use there.
[17:27] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: not needed
[17:27] <RonaldsMazitis> ok but does android store contacts visible
[17:27] <RonaldsMazitis> ?
[17:29] <Galbi3000> It's an Intel Core2 Duo @3Ghz and 4Gb RAM plus a fairly generic HD
[17:30] <Galbi3000> Not much else in it other than a network card
[17:31] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: can you run this as well:  sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( sudo dmidecode --type system --type processor --type baseboard --type bios 2>&1; )
[17:31] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: this is old hardware indeed...
[17:32] <Galbi3000> Ok, 1 min. Gotta re-connect to it with my terminal software...
[17:33] <Galbi3000> pastebinit not found
[17:33] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: please install it, try again: sudo apt update; sudo apt install pastebinit
[17:34] <Galbi3000> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vt6DCvtvKQ/
[17:35] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: so there's no separate graphics card in there, right?
[17:35] <Galbi3000> Nope, running in text mode all the time. I changed the startup mode
[17:35] <Galbi3000> Don't need the GUI so disabled it :)
[17:35] <tomreyn> i hope you didn't miss to celebrate your bios' 10th birthday this year
[17:36] <Galbi3000> lol :P
[17:37] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: can you get us a screenshot of 4.15 failing to boot?
[17:37] <Galbi3000> I have a blurry photo I took of the kernel panic. I can't keep still enough at the angle I have to take it lol
[17:37] <Galbi3000> I'll upload it somewhere and provide a link
[17:37] <tomreyn> thanks
[17:39] <Galbi3000> https://postimg.cc/image/siy7lg50h/
[17:40] <Galbi3000> Not a hell of a lot of information, it does not get to switch to a higher res text mode lol
[17:42] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: please do: dpkg -l linux-image\* | pastebinit
[17:42] <Galbi3000> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ss6GjFV9bz/
[17:43] <mohnish> Does elementary os use more hardware resources than other distros?
[17:43] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: also, this looks like ACPI issues (which often mean BIOS issues), and much newer firmware (BIOS etc.) is available for this system (2015 vs 2008), installable via (free)dos.
[17:44] <RonaldsMazitis> tomreyn: so no idea how to get contacts we had before factory reset
[17:45] <RonaldsMazitis> using linux
[17:45] <Galbi3000> But clearly it was not an issue in 4.4 and earlier so the problem was introduced kernel side
[17:47] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: well, it could also be that the kernel now makes use of functionality it previously didn't. just, that functionality is broken since the bios is broken. i'm speculating here, but just to explain that things are often not as easy to debug as they can seem.
[17:48] <Galbi3000> Don't worry, I'm not a stranger to the hell of debugging. Just not at the scale of a kernel lol
[17:49] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: how did you upgrade again, from which earlier ubuntu version,a nd were there any error messages when upgrading?
[17:50] <mohnish__> What is the command to join a different server on IRC?
[17:50] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: i notice you still have a lot of old kernel image leftovers installed which the upgrader should normally have removed (if i'm not mistaken).
[17:50] <tomreyn> mohnish__: for help with irc, best ask in #freenode
[17:50] <mohnish__> Okay
[17:51] <Galbi3000> Upgraded using the upgrade command it told me to use from Ubuntu 16. It did not have any errors other than the fact it would not boot afterwards with that kernel panic
[17:51] <tomreyn> !elementary | mohnish__
[17:51] <Aaron> mohnish__: /server
[17:52] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: how long is it ago that you upgraded?
[17:52] <Galbi3000> In grub I can select the other kernels from the advanced options and found 4.4 works so I edited grub.cfg to default to that. But every time I do an update with apt it gets reset to 4.15
[17:53] <Galbi3000> I upgraded a few weeks ago. but like I said it becomes a recurring problem every time I do an apt upgrade
[17:53] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: right, if you wouldn't be unable to boot 4.15 i'd recommend removing 4.4 asap
[17:54] <Galbi3000> It only boots with 4.4 though :/
[17:54] <tomreyn> yes, let's keep focussing on this
[17:54] <Aaron> Galbi3000: boot with 4.4 and then do apt-get update; and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:54] <Galbi3000> But I do need it running for my TeamSpeak server
[17:55] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: what's the output of "df -h /boot" ?
[17:55] <Galbi3000> The output is: /dev/sda5       220G   46G  163G  22% /
[17:56] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: i have no plans to work towards running an unbootable system, i'm trying to work towards getting a bootable system with a kernel image made for this ubuntu release.
[17:57] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: you have two different 4.15 kernels installed, can you try booting the other one, too (or have you tried)?
[17:57] <Galbi3000> Well, I tried writing a USB flash drive with the latest image to re-install the system to see if that would fix it but even the boot CD image produces the same kernel panic error
[17:58] <tomreyn> 4.15.0-32(.35) and 4.15.0-33(.36) is what you have
[17:58] <Galbi3000> Yes, I tried both the same day the system was upgraded
[17:59] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: can you post the kernel log of the 4.4.0 kernel you are running now? dmesg | pastebinit
[18:00] <tomreyn> i'd like to see whether this also shows acpi errors
[18:00] <Galbi3000> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y3B2fpPXXG/
[18:01] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: does booting 4.15 to recovery work?
[18:01] <Galbi3000> I can try... 1 min
[18:02] <Galbi3000> Nope, kernel panic
[18:03] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: i notice from the 4.4 dmesg that it was booting with the 'text' kernel option. do you have this set for all kernels?
[18:04] <Galbi3000> Should be, was text mode before upgrading to 18
[18:04] <madLyfe> so i created two md5sums of a src and tgt dir. i now want to compare them, how does one do that?
[18:04] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: can you try booting 4.15 with out this option?
[18:04] <tomreyn> *without
[18:05] <tomreyn> the 4.4 dmesg also shows acpi errors. i think you should really try upgrading the bios.
[18:06] <mouses> In xubuntu 18.04 -> xfce4-power-manager lacks a 'do nothing' option for when the lid is closed, which results in my HDMI output being turned off when I close the lid, which is super annoying if I have it hooked into my TV while in bed (have to keep the lid open at all times or the TV it's hooked into turns off) :(  Anyone know how I can force this to just not do anything when the lid is closed?  I tried this
[18:06] <mouses> solution with no luck:  http://tipsonubuntu.com/2018/04/28/change-lid-close-action-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[18:06] <tomreyn> alternatively, you could experiment with this (making parts of the bios think you're booting windows when youare really booting linux) http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[18:07] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: ^
[18:09] <Galbi3000> What do I put instead of text? I forget the options lol
[18:09] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: nothing at all should be fine.
[18:10] <Galbi3000> OK, took text out from 4.15 option in advanced options menu. Rebooting and trying it. 1 min...
[18:11] <TJ-> tomreyn: Galbi3000 I'm on-hand if required
[18:12] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: yet another attempt you could make is to try and find out whether you have some packages or package versions installed which you shouldn't have. this can happen when you used to have 3rd party repositories (and packages from there) installed but only removed the repositories since, not the packages (package versions) you installed from them (which could also happen during an upgrade). that's what the forign_packages script here is
[18:12] <tomreyn> useful for:  https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#script-collection
[18:12] <Galbi3000> Now it's frozen at the grub purple after displaying "Loading initial ramdisk ..."
[18:13] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: hmm, okay, that's different. this can also be a result of an outdated bios, where the early microcode update then fails.
[18:14] <TJ-> Galbi3000: tomreyn looks like it may be a common issue. I see idientical reports using Fog, and this too https://askubuntu.com/questions/1044606/kernel-panic-when-trying-to-install-ubuntu-tried-to-kill-init
[18:14] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks. i think i'm pretty much done here, can't think of better options.
[18:14] <Galbi3000> I don't think it's the packages as the CD image fails to boot too as I said earlier
[18:15] <ioria> Galbi3000, try  'noapic' for a test
[18:15] <Galbi3000> Ahh, TJ of the web site you told me to look at lol
[18:15] <tomreyn> TJ-: the images linked on this post unfortunately seem to be unavailable.
[18:15] <Galbi3000> noapci you mean?
[18:16] <ioria> yes
[18:16] <TJ-> Galbi3000: tomreyn according to this forum thread, its a BIOS bug and there is a firmware update for it. Read https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Hardware-and-Upgrade-Questions/Trying-to-update-the-bios-on-dc-5800-mt/td-p/5745831
[18:16] <TJ-> Galbi3000: yes, that's me :)
[18:17] <tomreyn> TJ-: good find!
[18:17] <TJ-> Galbi3000: tomreyn "John_P1" at the end of the thread reports: "Thank you.  Your DOS Flash.zip file from Message 5 seems to have fixed my kernel panic with Linux 4.14.x  "
[18:18] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes, just spotted it
[18:18] <TJ-> Galbi3000: I suspect the BIOS is mis-reporting the e820 (memory reservations) data
[18:19] <TJ-> Galbi3000: in the dmesg you provided Linux couldn't find the info for the "ACPI: FACS 0x00000000DEFC2000 000040" section
[18:19] <Galbi3000> I'm looking at that web pages with the BIOS flash files. Bear with me :)
[18:19] <TJ-> Galbi3000: that's line 80 of the pastebin. That is the clue I think.
[18:20] <TJ-> Galbi3000: at least you now have something to tackle :)
[18:21] <Galbi3000> That site seems to have a broken link for the files :(
[18:21] <TJ-> Galbi3000: for your future knowledge, when it froze showing "Loading initial ramdisk..." that message came from the GRUB boot-loader. The splash screen just means the kernel messages (which would have been the same as earlier panics) were hidden from you  due to the kernel command-line options for the default boot entry "quiet splash"
[18:22] <tomreyn> downloading sp73863.exe from https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-compaq-dc5800-small-form-factor-pc/3658082/model/3658094/swItemId/vc-157376-1?sku=KV494ET works for me
[18:22] <TJ-> Galbi3000: Which link? "Dos Flash.zip" downloads for me
[18:23] <Galbi3000> Yep, I got it with tomreyn's link here. Thanks :)
[18:24] <Galbi3000> I'm dyslexic and unless the links are clear I am unable to find them :/
[18:26] <Galbi3000> Ok, going to try reflashing the BIOS. Fingers crossed :P
[18:26] <TJ-> Galbi3000: I suffer that just due to bad web-site design much of the time, so you're not alone :)
[18:29] <cnnx> ok
[18:30] <Galbi3000> ARGH! All my flash drives are too new for the BIOS to read lol  Going to have to find a small SD card and use an SD card reader :)
[18:32] <tomreyn> trying to boot off an sd card using an ooold bios is probably going to be more problematic (i.e. likley impossible) than fiddling with booting the (really too new? why?) usb
[18:32] <TJ-> tomreyn: could be size. Galbi3000: you can simply not format the devices for their full size, just make a file-system thats a 1.44MB as if it were a floppy disk
[18:33] <Galbi3000> Nope, the new ones are exFAT, BIOT wants FAT :)
[18:33] <Galbi3000> BIOS*
[18:33] <strive> Format it to FAT.
[18:34] <tomreyn> right, 'exFAT' is a windows specific file system, not a property of your usb stick.
[18:35] <TJ-> Galbi3000: right, if you're creating a new bootable image on the usb use "sudo mkfs.msdos /dev/sdX 2880" which'll create a 1.44MB file-system (2,880 x 512-byte blocks)
[18:37] <Galbi3000> Yeah, I'm on Windows as my main :P Sorry :)
[18:38] <TJ-> Galbi3000: OK, that makes it easier :)
[18:39] <Simounet> EriC^^: It's me again. I'm sorry I feel so dumb but I can't install Ubuntu without UEFI. I just tried again through a USB stick with etcher without success. I'm on the same issue.
[18:39] <TJ-> Galbi3000: ... because I just remembered mkfs.msdos will NOT create bootable images! We usually have to use something like unetbootin and create a FreeDOS image :)
[18:39] <Galbi3000> Did not work with SD card option but I just remembered I have a small flash drive that should be FAT formatted (and no, can't format large drives with FAT, that's why they use exFAT)
[18:39] <EriC^^> Simounet: you could always convert your current install to legacy
[18:43] <Galbi3000> The flash drive I got Microsoft Office on recently is a small one and works fine thankfully, almost done flashing
[18:44] <Galbi3000> SUCCESS! Flash successful AND 4.15 booting :)
[18:47] <TJ-> Galbi3000: Yay !
[18:47] <EriC^^> Simounet: what do you say?
[18:48] <Galbi3000> Many thanks tomrevn and TJ :)
[18:49] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: welcome
[18:49] <tomreyn> + congratulations
[18:49] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: now be sure to run apt --purge autoremove (but review the packages it will purge carefully)
[18:49] <TJ-> Galbi3000: and in the new "dmesg" output is the ACPI FACS line
[18:49] <TJ-> Galbi3000: ... now reporting version info?
[18:50] <Galbi3000> Login welcome message: Welcome to Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 4.15.0-33-generic x86_64)
[18:50] <Galbi3000> :)
[18:50] <Galbi3000> The purge option gives this result: 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
[18:51] <tomreyn> well then you'll need to purge those old kernel images manually
[18:52] <tomreyn> can you post "dmesg | pastebinit" again for TJ and me to enjoy the fruits of this work?
[18:52] <Galbi3000> No harm they are sitting there unused. It's not like I need the space :)
[18:52] <Galbi3000> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2nbQnwB4V5/
[18:53] <Galbi3000> You are true geeks if you enjoy reading that stuff :P
[18:54] <tomreyn> TJ-: line 63 [    0.000000] ACPI: FACS 0x00000000DEFC2000 000040
[18:54] <TJ-> tomreyn: ahhh, no change then. that'd have been too obvious I guess!
[18:54] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: i think tj actually understand some of what he's doing, can't ultimatively claim this myself when it comes to acpi ;)
[18:55] <tomreyn> well at least it boots now
[18:55] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: there's a small favor you could do me in rreturn if you dont mind.
[18:55] <Galbi3000> Yep, it means I don't have to go changing my hardware just yet then :)
[18:56] <Galbi3000> What is that tomreyn?
[18:56] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: i've never seen the output of this script on ... such old hardware :P https://raw.githubusercontent.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker/master/spectre-meltdown-checker.sh
[18:57] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: you'd need to run it with sudo, thoguh. it's a script to test which of the recently reported intel CPU flaws yours is affected by (and which have been worked around / mitigated)
[18:57] <Galbi3000> So you want me to run that for you?!
[18:58] <Galbi3000> Oh, so you can hack it later huh? :P
[18:58] <Galbi3000> lol
[18:58] <Galbi3000> j/k
[18:58] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: if you feel comfortable with doing so, yes. you should probably search a little online on this script so you can estimate whether it's safe to run it with sudo.
[18:59] <Galbi3000> Have to get it on to that machine. 1 min
[19:00] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: you just wget the above url, then chmod +x spectre-meltdown-checker.sh, then ./spectre-meltdown-checker.sh
[19:00] <wodencafe> rt
[19:01] <Galbi3000> Yeah, my bash skills are very beginner :P Still learning as I go :)
[19:01] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: oh and run it with --no-nolor and pipe it into pastebinit
[19:02] <tomreyn> so make this last command above: sudo ./spectre-meltdown-checker.sh --no-color | pastebinit
[19:03] <Galbi3000> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KHvhbKGk8C/
[19:04] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: thanks, that's better than i had expected.
[19:05] <Galbi3000> Nothing important on that machine anyway, let'em hack it :P
[19:05] <tomreyn> Galbi3000: it says your cpu remains vulnerable to two of these flaws (and unfortunately it will probably remain so)
[19:06] <Galbi3000> But only ports open to them are the TS3 ports :)
[19:06] <tomreyn> :) good
[19:07] <Galbi3000> Anyway, got other things to do now. Thanks again for the help, both of you :)
[19:11] <emma> When I try to install ubuntu it gets to the 'installation type' screen where you should be able to install ubuntu on the whole disk, or do it manually, etc... But there are no options there.
[19:15] <tomreyn> em: what are you installing? which exact version (e.g.18.04.1), flavor (e.g. kubuntu), architecture (e.g. i686) and variant (e.g. desktop, alternative server, server (live), mini.iso) of ubuntu?
[19:16] <tomreyn> (alternatively, you can just tell us the ISO file name you downloaded.)
[19:16] <em> 18.04.1  ubuntu desktop amd64  @ tomreyn
[19:17] <em> i got to where i normally expect to get the options of use entire disk... set up encryuption, install manjally etc.
[19:17] <em> but there are no tusch options.
[19:17] <tomreyn> em: so if you'll select "manual" there should be options there
[19:17] <tomreyn> can you post a screenshot?
[19:17] <em> there is no ption for manual at all
[19:18] <em> i don't think so since thi sis on the install page
[19:18] <em> it would be that screen where it says installation type
[19:18] <em> where you choose if you want to erase the disk and install ubuntu on teh whole disk, etc
[19:18] <em> but there are no options
[19:18] <em> instead it shows dev/sdb
[19:19] <tomreyn> so the screen is empty?
[19:19] <em> on a page that looks ike its for seetting up a partition
[19:19] <em> yes the screen is empty
[19:19] <em> also the sdb is the usb im using to install it with i think
[19:19] <em> there are no options
[19:19] <em> there's like a place that looks like you should be trying to partition something there
[19:19] <tomreyn> this suggests the installer didnt identify any storages it could install to
[19:19] <em> but sda is not in that list anyway
[19:19] <Gnjurac> hi can i install ubuntu on 2400g i know i need to update kernel but will igpu be runing while installing and while i run update for kernel and mesa
[19:19] <em> could it be a thing where the laptop has some kind of raid in it?
[19:20] <tomreyn> em: yes, a fakeraid could explain this
[19:20] <Gnjurac> and question number 2 if i am doing UEFI instlal do i need ot have both /boot and /boot/efi partrition or can i just put /boot/efi
[19:20] <ntd> "signature edition"
[19:21] <em> tomreyn: any idea how to disable that?
[19:21] <em> this is a brand new hp pavillion
[19:21] <tomreyn> em: do you boot / run another OS off these disks?
[19:21] <em> it's a brand new laptop that comes with windows on it. I want to use the whole machine for ubuntu
[19:22] <em> hp pavilion
[19:22] <em> it has that optain memory in it and a 1 tb hdd
[19:22] <tomreyn> em: okay, so if windows is still installed then i'd make sure i'd update the bios first, then, once that#s done, i'd reconfigure the bios to make it expose the disks in AHCI, not RAID mode.
[19:23] <arcvdn> Hello, I seemed to have messed up a bit with gnome terminal and would appreciate any help at all. I went into the gnome terminal preferences and under the command tab, I entered gnome-terminal --geometry for the custom command option. Now everytime i open the terminal, it recursively spawns more terminals. Is there any way to edit the preferences through the file explorer?
[19:24] <em> so there is some way to update the bios with windows?
[19:24] <tomreyn> em: if, after this, the iunstaller still doesn't detect your storages, please boot into the live ubuntu, bring it online, and run this in a terminal: "dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[19:25] <em> i found a thing in here that says 'reset disks to non-raid'
[19:26] <tomreyn> em: there most likely is some way to update the bios with windows, it's what most hardware vendors offer. and this option you found on the bios sounds like you should switch it to non-raid indeed (after doing the bios upgrade, that is).
[19:26] <Vic2> I have an application which I run multiple instances of both on Ubuntu 14 and 16 ... when I run it on 14, I get one single icon and upon right clicking, I get a list of all the instances and can then choose one by clicking on it.  When I run it in 16 I get multiple icons ... I want to stack these icons as they are in 14.  However when I check xprop of the icon (in 14 and 16) I get WM_CLASS:  not found.  I am stumped ... how can I achieve what I am wanting to acc
[19:26] <Vic2> omplish.
[19:27] <em> why update the bios?
[19:28] <Simounet> EriC^^: How can I convert it?
[19:29] <tomreyn> em: you said it's new hardware. usually bios updates are made available often for new hardware, fix grave bugs and improve compatibility. also, this can help mitigate the recent CPU bugs (meltdown / spectre) at less performance loss.
[19:30] <tomreyn> em: i'm just making recommendations / suggestions thetre, however, you can try and keep installing ubuntu without upgrading the bios.
[19:31] <arcvdn> anyone?
[19:31] <ikonia> anyone what ?
[19:32] <arcvdn> I made a mistake and edited my gnome terminal preferences to include a custom command. That command was "gnome-terminal --geometry=..." and now everytime i open terminal it just recursively opens new terminals
[19:32] <em> tomreyn: why would a laptop have fakeraid on it?
[19:33] <tomreyn> em: ask your vendor. maybe the issue is also with "optain", which i assume meant to say "intel optane"
[19:34] <tomreyn> em: i might be able to help you more if you'll provide the exact hardware model number.
[19:35] <tomreyn> Gnjurac: question 2: you need both.
[19:36] <em> tomreyn: yes intel optane.  The model number is  HP Pavilion:  HP 15-cs0051wm
[19:36] <Gnjurac> hmm on linux they say i can pull out whit just /boot
[19:38] <Gnjurac> tomreyn,  you shure i have to have sperate partrition boot/efi
[19:39] <tomreyn> Gnjurac: the installer will create it if needed, or otherwise not allow you to continue installation.
[19:39] <tomreyn> Gnjurac: if you're efi booting you'll need to have an ESP (which then gets mounted at /boot/efi)
[19:40] <Gnjurac> but if i create /boot pratritonio it should just make a dir efi in it and esp can read from it right?
[19:40] <Gnjurac> why do would i need a saprate /boot/efi
[19:41] <tomreyn> em: there's both recent enough firmware updates for intel me (01 Rev.A) and for the bios (F.04 Rev.A) available. if this was my system, i'd install them. whether you will is upt o you.
[19:42] <tomreyn> https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-pavilion-15-cs0000-laptop-pc/20284004/model/22185587
[19:43] <tomreyn> ubuntu support really just starts by the time you boot ubuntu (installer or installed system), and where compatbile storage devices are exposed to the OS by your firmware.
[19:43] <tomreyn> (i.e. how you get there or not is not so much of our concern, though, as you can tell, i'm trying to help)
[19:44] <Gnjurac> tomreyn, do i need to flat /boot/efi as boot too or just boot
[19:44] <tomreyn> arcvdn: i don't think just starting gnome-terminal with this option would cause gnome-temrinal to modify its preferences
[19:45] <Gnjurac> or i flag it es esp
[19:45] <tomreyn> arcvdn: such options dont usually persist
[19:45] <tomreyn> arcvdn: so i assume you changed something else, too. such as replacing the default terminal profile
[19:45] <Gnjurac> hmm /boot/efi = fat32 , esp flag right?
[19:46] <tomreyn> Gnjurac: correct
[19:46] <Gnjurac> ty
[19:46] <arcvdn> tomreyn: Thanks for replying! I just got it working again by installing xterm and using dconf to reset my profile
[19:48] <em> tomreyn: so the only way tfor people to install firmware updates is when they have windows?
[19:49] <tomreyn> arcvdn: glad you worked it out.
[19:49] <tomreyn> em: this is a question the company where you bought your hardware will hopefully be happy to answer
[19:53] <tomreyn> em: or i can get off topic again and point out that hp provides the firmware update as an .exe file, and seems to provide support for windows, only. and that this bios you have there is an insyde bios, which the bios manufactiuring company supports bios upgrades on linux with, but most hardware vendors only support it via windows.
[20:00] <energizer> Hi in Plasma, all my application drop-down menus are just a list of text with no mouse-over highlighting or formatting. And the X,box,-, in the corner are way too small like the other icons.
[20:00] <energizer> how can i fix my formatting.
[20:04] <Belial> anyone using hexchat indicator get it to work at all in 18.04?
[20:05] <energizer> Belial: mine just works, ionno
[20:06] <Belial> odd. i have it installed, the plugin is loaded check within hexchat. the message indicator itself is working because it displays thunderbird info.
[20:41] <wendico> i know i took long, but thank you again for the help, my mini laptop intel atom works perfect with ubuntu mate. thank you for the suggestion
[20:46] <cim209> wendico, congrats
[20:47] <sonicwind> Belial, you might try #HexChat ... the author of it hangs out in there I believe.
[20:47] <cim209> now install some themes/icons https://i.imgur.com/pB82Plz.png
[20:49] <zino> When installing and lunching "Desktop Sharing" from the "Ubuntu Software" appstore in 18.04 it just opens System Settings. :-/
[20:50] <zino> All tutorials Google give me suggests I should get a "Desktop Sharing Preferences"
[20:50] <zino> Any ideas?
 beautiful going for it
[20:51] <wendico> but today no, tomorrow more, i had a hard day with my kids, tomorrow more, ill see you around
[20:52] <wendico> 9 computers so far with any flavour of ubuntu running this week thanks to you all
[20:52] <wendico> see you tomorrow
[20:52] <cim209> cya
[20:55] <zino> When I scroll to the reviews it's full of people that says it doesn't work, so I guess I'm not alone at least. That unfortunate.
[20:55] <Belial> sonicwind, thanks. i'll give it a go.
[20:56] <tomreyn> zino: what is it that you're trying to achieve?
[20:56] <cim209> zino, i use chrome remote desktop
[20:56] <zino> remote desktop access to a 18.04 VM from Windows.
[20:57] <cim209> it works great on my iphone
[20:57] <tomreyn> zino: an 18.04 desktop or server VM?
[20:58] <zino> tomreyn, desktop VM
[20:59] <zino> Newly installed from ISO, so basically fresh but with ssh access turned on.
[21:01] <tomreyn> zino: so the easiest option is to just install an openssh server, this already grants you command line access. if you want more than that, i'd suggest either VNC (settings -> sharing -> screen sharing) or X2GO.
[21:01] <TJ-> zino: any idea what the actual package-name is that backs that "Desktop Sharing" (I do hate how these flashy GUI tools obscure vital info)
[21:01] <tomreyn> TJ-: most likely vino
[21:02] <zino> TJ-, if I knew I would have used it. This is the first time I've tried using the GUI. Hold, checking the install log
[21:02] <zino> tomreyn, Will check VNS settings in a little bit
[21:02] <TJ-> zino: thanks :) if we know the package, we can likely figure out possibilities
[21:03] <tomreyn> TJ-: it must be vino. i had the package installed, and "screen sharing" was available from 18.04.1 gnome settings menu. i then closed settings, purged vino, opened settings again and the "screen sharing" option is gone.
[21:04] <tomreyn> confirmed via the reverse operation.
[21:04] <SilverMight> hello, i'm having an issue with apt trying to unpack linux-headers
[21:05] <tomreyn> zino: it's "VNC"
[21:05] <SilverMight> specifically, linux-headers-4.15.0-33
[21:05] <SilverMight> it just gets stuck and doesn't respond, canceling it and retrying doesn't fix it either. i've reinstalled already (it's a vm)
[21:06] <TJ-> SilverMight: sufficient disk space under /usr/src/ ?
[21:06] <TJ-> SilverMight: do you have a log of the apt command where it gets stuck?
[21:06] <SilverMight> TJ-, think so, I have 14g left on /
[21:06] <SilverMight> i'll get it in a sec
[21:07] <TJ-> tomreyn: could it be related to whether Xorg or Gnome/mutter (wayland) is in use?
[21:07] <TJ-> SilverMight: OK. There are some apt Debug::... options we can enable to get further details
[21:07] <SilverMight> https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:07] <SilverMight> darnit, my bad
[21:08] <SilverMight> TJ-, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PnCvrhY2vr here it is
[21:09] <TJ-> SilverMight: hmmm, not very informative, is it!?
[21:09] <SilverMight> yeah, i know, how would i enable the apt debug options?
[21:09] <tomreyn> zino: when trying VNC, try this client on windows https://virt-manager.org/download/sources/virt-viewer/virt-viewer-x64-7.0.msi
[21:10] <tomreyn> (a link found on https://virt-manager.org/download/ )
[21:10] <zino> TJ-, The packages involved just scare me. Here's the log of first removing and then re-adding the "Desktop Sharing": https://pastebin.com/mXQUFQND
[21:11] <zino> Here's what the package page looks like, it sounds like two packages are garbled together: https://imgur.com/a/cHlZ8y5
[21:11] <TJ-> SilverMight: try this: "sudo apt -o=Debug::pkgDPkgProgressReporting=true -o=Debug::pkgDPkgPM
[21:12] <TJ-> SilverMight: ignore that, it was premature!
[21:12] <zino> Now, back to acctually getting something to work. I'll have a look at standard VNC.
[21:12] <TJ-> SilverMight: this is it: "sudo apt -o=Debug::pkgDPkgProgressReporting=true -o=Debug::pkgDPkgPM=true upgrade"
[21:12] <SilverMight> alright, i'll do that in a sec
[21:13] <tomreyn> zino: i dont have this package installed an i dont think it's needed.
[21:13] <TJ-> !info unity-control-centre
[21:14] <TJ-> !info unity-control-center
[21:16] <TJ-> zino: that does look totally messed up!
[21:19] <SilverMight> TJ-, it's telling me to do apt --fix-broken install, should i do that
[21:21] <TJ-> SilverMight: yes, although it may get stuck in the same way :)
[21:21] <SilverMight> should i run that with the debug options then
[21:22] <TJ-> SilverMight: I'd prefer to run the Debug command first so we have some evidence, then try "apt -f install" to fix it after
[21:24] <SilverMight> Running the debug command just complains about linux-generic needing the newer version of the headers
[21:24] <zino> tomreyn,  "settings -> sharing -> screen sharing" appeared after installing vino, so far so good. Fireing up VNC on Windows to test.
[21:25] <zino> TJ-, It does, and sadly it appears it's not some unique corruption of my local database since people commenting on that entry have the same problems. :-/
[21:25] <tomreyn> zino: see my above note on which vnc client to use. many vnc clients available for windows only support older VNC protocols
[21:26] <zino> tomreyn, noted.
[21:27] <tomreyn> the issue i take with software center is that there's not really a way to know what you're actually doing, or if there's a way, it's not easy to tell how.
[21:29] <madLyfe> does `rm /path/to/directory/*` remove hidden files/dirs as well?
[21:30] <tomreyn> no
[21:30] <zino> Well, not the hidden files in that directory, but you will kill them in subdirs.
[21:30] <madLyfe> `rm -rfv /path/to/dir/*` ?
[21:31] <zino> Ignore me, I assumed -r :-P
[21:32] <zino> rm -rf /path/to/dir && mkdir /path/to/dir would be fastest. You need .* to delete dot-files.
[21:33] <madLyfe> `rm -rf /path/to/directory/{*,.*}` ?
[21:33] <tomreyn> is this a shooting yourself in the foot contest? what are you trying to do?
[21:34] <madLyfe> completely wipe everything from a dir
[21:34] <madLyfe> not the dir itself
[21:35] <madLyfe> i dont think i can remove the dir anyways, its a zfs pool
[21:35] <tomreyn> change into the directory, run "rm -rvf ./", ignore the warning.
[21:35] <tomreyn> as always, be sure you have backups.
[21:36] <SilverMight> does anyone else have issues unpacking headers?
[21:36] <SilverMight> i've had it on 2 seperate installs now
[21:36] <zino> zpool destroy dir; zpool create dir dev dev dev;  There, even faste. (While we are discussing shooting foot contests)
[21:36] <madLyfe> `rm: refusing to remove '.' or '..' directory: skipping './'` tomreyn
[21:37] <madLyfe> you have to destroy it and create it again?
[21:38] <madLyfe> i have that dir mounted to this pc already.
[21:38] <madLyfe> its a network zfs raid mirror
[21:39] <madLyfe> ls
[21:39] <madLyfe> whoops
[21:41] <paule32> hello
[21:41] <paule32> i get message from vlc:
[21:41] <paule32> libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work
[21:41] <paule32> how can i fix this?
[21:42] <tomreyn> madLyfe: sorry, this should do it:  cd /path/to/directory; shopt -s dotglob; rm -rv *; shopt -u dotglob
[21:44] <zino> tomreyn, that client was pretty sparse. Any way to get debug from it? When I enter a vnc://my.ip:5900 URI in the field it just closes down without any messages.
[21:44] <tomreyn> paule32: on 18.04.1, amd64, this file would be located at /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1    - so what are oyu running there?
[21:45] <paule32> linux mint 17.3, vlc 4.0.0
[21:45] <tomreyn> !mint | paule32
[21:46] <paule32> tomreyn: linux mint based on ubuntu
[21:46] <tomreyn> zino: okay, maybe my suggestion was bad then. it was meant to work around this issue, but theres another workaround (one you can apply on the ubuntu VM): https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/77885/how-can-i-connect-to-gnome-3-with-a-windows-vnc-client
[21:46] <tomreyn> paule32: ubuntu is based on debian. so we go to debian to get ubuntu support? no, we dont.
[21:47] <zino> tomreyn, thanks. I'll stop pestering you now. Thanks for the help both you and TJ- !
[21:49] <Vic2> After how long with no acknowledgement of or answer to my question can I ask it again without being told to be patient?
[21:49] <tomreyn> zino: i dont feel pestered. for VNC, i'd try the workaround in the first answer given there, "gsettings set org.gnome.Vino require-encryption false", and ultravnc in client mode on windows.
[21:50] <legenden> Is this working now ?
[21:50] <tomreyn> zino: personally i'd prefer just ssh for access to a terminal or / and x2go for a graphical display.
[21:51] <tomreyn> legenden: climate change? yes.
[21:51] <legenden> tomreyn: climate change. wow going for the big guns of topics i see. but thanks for confirming :)
[21:51] <tomreyn> Vic2: i guess half an hour or an hour is fine.
[21:51] <Vic2> Ok, thanks.
[21:51] <Vic2> I have an application which I run multiple instances of both on Ubuntu 14 and 16 ... when I run it on 14, I get one single icon and upon right clicking, I get a list of all the instances and can then choose one by clicking on it.  When I run it in 16 I get multiple icons ... I want to stack these icons as they are in 14.  However when I check xprop of the icon (in 14 and 16) I get WM_CLASS:  not found.  I am stumped ... how can I achieve what I am wanting to acc
[21:51] <Vic2> omplish.
[21:52] <zino> tomreyn, normally I'd just use ssh, but this is a special case where I want to use and control a UI application in it's own VM.
[21:53] <tomreyn> zino: cool. i provided my recommendation sfor this use case (where it's not 3d accelerated) above.
[21:54] <tomreyn> legenden: welcome
[21:54] <legenden> tomreyn: thank you, totaly rookie at this Cli thing. :)
[21:55] <legenden> but got here so progress
[22:06] <zino> tomreyn, after applying "gsettings set org.gnome.Vino require-encryption false" the tightvnc-client worked. So that fixes all my requirements for this use-case. Many thanks.
[22:07] <tomreyn> zino: welcome.
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> I'm trying to install ubuntu server on 3 different HDD's using a Raid 0 configuration. The installer won't let me go through with creating the raid except for only two of the disks. It says that one disk is needed for the boot partition. However when I create a partiton on the third disk and reserve
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> it for boot, it is no longer included in the list of HDD's available for the raid configuration. Does anyone know what I should do here?
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> The goal being that the three disks are used in the RAID
[22:53] <setfire> You can't have a raid 0 with only three disks
[22:53] <amazoniantoad> setfire why
[22:53] <setfire> RAID 0 and 1 require equal disks
[22:53] <amazoniantoad> orly?
[22:54] <setfire> RAID 0 is half data to each disk
[22:54] <amazoniantoad> Well it wont list the third disk anyway
[22:54] <amazoniantoad> setfire although this is an issue. This isn't currently relevant
[22:54] <setfire> That's a disk issue then
[22:54] <amazoniantoad> The issue atm is answering why a disk selected for /boot suddenly becomes unavailable
[22:55] <setfire> And if a disk or boot partition suddenly is missing, it's likely a hardware issue
[22:55] <setfire> Troubleshoot the hardware
[22:56] <setfire> Ensure the BIOS detects all your disks
[22:56] <amazoniantoad> setfire this issue happens regardless of the disk chosen for /boot
[22:56] <amazoniantoad> And it does detect all disks
[22:56] <amazoniantoad> Literally if I choose to partition one for /boot then it does this to that disk
[22:57] <setfire> FIrst you need to build your RAID
[22:57] <amazoniantoad> and if I don't reserve space for the boot drive it won't let me follow through with a 3 disk raid 0 citing the need for /boot
[22:57] <setfire> THen you create paritions on the RAID
[22:57] <setfire> boot would be a partition on the VD
[22:57] <amazoniantoad> apparently not
[22:57] <amazoniantoad> I thought that is what would happen, turns it is not
[22:58] <setfire> Build your VD
[22:58] <amazoniantoad> setfire this is when I try to make the raid through the ubuntu installer
[22:58] <amazoniantoad> Should I try to make the raid configuration through the bios instead?
[22:58] <setfire> What kind of RAID controller do you have?
[22:58] <amazoniantoad> idk what that is
[22:58] <Cheez> I'm not sure i'd trust a raid controller on consumer kit
[22:58] <setfire> If you have a hardware RAID controller then yes, you would use the RAID BIOS to build your VD
[22:59] <setfire> If you are using a software controller (not a real RAID) you will use the Ubuntu installer to simulate a RAD
[22:59] <setfire> *RAID
[22:59] <amazoniantoad> setfire raid wasn't recognized by the installer though
[22:59] <amazoniantoad> i mean the raid set forth by the bios
[23:00] <setfire> If you have a hardware RAID, you build the VD in there, Ubuntu installer will detect each VD as a volume
[23:00] <setfire> Ubuntu won't know it's a RAID
[23:00] <amazoniantoad> I see
[23:00] <amazoniantoad> thanks
[23:00] <setfire> If you use the software RAID it will use LVM I believe, a virtual RAID
[23:01] <setfire> RAID 0 is still evenly distributed disks, you can't do only three
[23:01] <setfire> That would be JBOD or whatever
[23:03] <setfire> LVM is not failsafe just gives flexibility to capacity
[23:09] <conr> Did 18.04 break vino/Screen Sharing? netstat shows 5900 is listening but can't connect via macOS.
[23:10] <amazoniantoad> setfire i could do three disks if I partiton them to be an even number and of the same size
[23:10] <amazoniantoad> and then set the raid on that
[23:10] <setfire> RAID works at block level
[23:10] <setfire> anything beyond that is not a true RAID, it's just creative paritioning
[23:11] <setfire> If you just wish to utilize all the disk, use LVM
[23:11] <setfire> And have a good backup procedure
[23:11] <amazoniantoad> setfire I'm not really concerned with "true" raid. I just want to take advantage of as much disk space as possible without having to physically move files from one HDD to another
[23:11] <setfire> amazoniantoad: You want to use LVM them
[23:12] <zino> conr: I worked through this for Windows an hour ago. Most VNC clients seem to lack support for the required crypto. Ended up disabling the crypto as described here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/77885/how-can-i-connect-to-gnome-3-with-a-windows-vnc-client
[23:12] <amazoniantoad> setfire thanks
[23:12] <setfire> You want to use the Ubuntu installer to span all the disks
[23:12] <amazoniantoad> setfire I'm using the server installer though
[23:12] <setfire> amazoniantoad: the installer should allow for that, should auto create a boot partition
[23:12] <amazoniantoad> k
[23:13] <conr> zino: I actually read that article but I'm stuck because I have no gsetting profile for vino
[23:14] <setfire> amazoniantoad: If I recall, it should be pretty straight forward. You select the disks and then select the partition scheme you want, boot, root, home etc. If there is a RAID option, I would ignore use. LVM is what you want
[23:18] <zino> conr, Interesting. I had one after apt installing vino.
[23:18] <conr> zino, I've even purged and re-installed.
[23:19] <zino> Have you enabled sharing in Settings->Sharing->Screen Sharing ?  Mayby that triggered it.
[23:19] <conr> Yes, multiple times
[23:21] <zino> I hesetate to say this considering how broken that package is in general, but the only other thing I did before installing vino was installing the package "Desktop Sharing" via the appstore. I wouldn't really recommend it, but it's litterally the only other package I installed after installing the OS.
[23:23] <setfire> Have you considered a Windows X server with X forwarding via ssh
[23:24] <setfire> Or are you trying to actual share a screen?
[23:24] <conr> zino ok
[23:25] <zino> X forwarding works very badly with any modern GUI. It's been crap since we invented antialiased fonts, and even before then it was extremely latency sensitive.
[23:26] <setfire> I have had a good experience with it
[23:26] <setfire> There is a new Windows 10 x server in the Windows App store
[23:27] <setfire> When I was downloading WSL Ubuntu is advertized this X server for 70% off, I got it
[23:27] <setfire> Was cheaper than XMING I believe
[23:30] <conr> zino: Ok I don't know what happened but I ran `gsettings reset org.gnome.Vino network-interface`
[23:31] <conr> It must of created the file that way
[23:35] <texla> Installed Kubuntu 18.04 and grub list the name as Ubuntu How can I change it to Kubuntu
[23:37] <zino> conr, and it works now?
[23:37] <conr> zino: Yes let a charm
[23:39] <zino> Nice.
[23:40] <conr> zino Thanks for just talking. It fixed it ;)
[23:41] <zino> Teddy-bear debugging as we call it in the office. Explain the problem to the the teddy bear and you will figure out a solution yourself. :)
[23:52] <texla> Installed Kubuntu 18.04 and grub list the name as Ubuntu How can I change it to Kubuntu