| blackflow | I know :) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| JanC | blackflow: that's why some people insist on using different drives for a mirror/RAID (different brand, model or at least production series) | 00:23 |
| JanC | drives from the same production run are much more likely to die within a short time from each other | 00:24 |
| RoyK | I've made that failure - getting 80 WD Black drives from the same batch - a really bad one... | 00:24 |
| JanC | I hope they at least died while under warranty? | 00:25 |
| RoyK | truth to say, we didn't have time - we just ordered a new batch and returned them later | 00:25 |
| RoyK | some of them didn't even show smart errors | 00:25 |
| JanC | did they work at all? | 00:26 |
| RoyK | but then - there's the 'twist and shout' trick - spin up a drive, twist it 90 degrees against spinning angle and wait for it to spin up again, repeat until it dies | 00:26 |
| RoyK | the 'shout' part is just fun | 00:26 |
| RoyK | they worked, or a while | 00:27 |
| RoyK | some of them still work, but that's under 20% | 00:27 |
| JanC | SMART is only useful for detecting stuff like a degrading magnetic surface and the like | 00:27 |
| RoyK | this was probably mechanic | 00:28 |
| JanC | if the r/w heads break off, or the controller board is toast, SMART won't be useful | 00:28 |
| RoyK | the controller boards don't die like that for that amount of drives | 00:28 |
| RoyK | it was timing issues, perhaps a bad firmware | 00:29 |
| RoyK | something nasty | 00:29 |
| RoyK | so I made sure we could return some of them | 00:29 |
| JanC | well, in theory it's possible that the controllers die (or have bad RAM, or something like that) | 00:29 |
| RoyK | this was an issue of a bunch of sata drives on sas expanders that really didn't like it | 00:30 |
| RoyK | or the sas controllers didn't like them or whatever | 00:31 |
| RoyK | they didn't work well on sata either | 00:31 |
| JanC | oh, that's also possible, I guess | 00:31 |
| JanC | so much can go wrong :) | 00:31 |
| RoyK | we had a tight budget, so we got some new sata drives, hitachis, worked well | 00:31 |
| JanC | even just a fault resistor or capacitor on the controller can make a drive useless... | 00:31 |
| RoyK | and then I spent some time twisting drives and returning them | 00:32 |
| RoyK | JanC: it wasn't that - beleive me | 00:32 |
| RoyK | they were fairly new and showed no issues except perhaps dying | 00:32 |
| JanC | I have 30yo drives which probably still work... | 00:33 |
| JanC | if I would try them on some old computer :) | 00:33 |
| RoyK | old IDE or SCSI things? | 00:34 |
| RoyK | MFM? | 00:34 |
| JanC | old IDE | 00:34 |
| JanC | Quantum Bigfoot | 00:34 |
| RoyK | that's probably only 20YO | 00:35 |
| RoyK | IIRC | 00:35 |
| RoyK | I remember those arriving around 1998 | 00:35 |
| RoyK | it was amazing - 10 gigs on a drive!!!!! | 00:36 |
| JanC | I have some disk from the early 1990s too somewhere | 00:36 |
| RoyK | some 52MB disk? | 00:36 |
| * RoyK also remembers starting to fiddle around with linux (slackware 2.1, kernel 1.1.59) around 1994 and found he could boost the I/O speed to the harddisk up to 1MB/s (!!!) by turning on DMA with hdparm | 00:37 | |
| RoyK | amazing times ;) | 00:38 |
| JanC | this Quantum Bigfoot CY was from 1996 or so | 00:38 |
| RoyK | 5,25"? got a model number? | 00:39 |
| RoyK | iirc all the bigfoots were 5,25" | 00:39 |
| RoyK | although everything else by then was 3,5", but then, the bigfoots were *huge* | 00:39 |
| JanC | yeah, the 5.25" was what distinguished them; it allowed them to make cheaper drives with the same capacity | 00:40 |
| RoyK | get a time machine and show me a micro sd card of 256GB back then ;) | 00:40 |
| * RoyK doesn't have a DeLorian, sadly | 00:41 | |
| JanC | that Bigfoot was 6.4 GB :) | 00:44 |
| RoyK | 4k5rpm? | 00:45 |
| RoyK | or 3k6? | 00:45 |
| JanC | 3.6k | 00:45 |
| JanC | all Bigfoot CY were 3.6k rpm | 00:45 |
| RoyK | not quite an SSD, then | 00:45 |
| JanC | 6 MB/sec read speed :) | 00:46 |
| RoyK | random iops, perhaps 50 on a good day | 00:46 |
| RoyK | those were the days :D | 00:46 |
| JanC | (and that's sequential, I assume) | 00:46 |
| RoyK | it was indeed | 00:46 |
| RoyK | probably outer rim | 00:47 |
| RoyK | inner rim was half the speed or less | 00:47 |
| JanC | :) | 00:47 |
| JanC | well, on floppy disks it usually was the same | 00:47 |
| RoyK | same rule applies to modern drives - more sectors on the outside | 00:47 |
| JanC | some early hard disks too maybe | 00:48 |
| RoyK | floppies didn't have zones | 00:48 |
| RoyK | neither did mfm drives | 00:48 |
| JanC | well, you could mess with floppies to have more data on the outside | 00:48 |
| JanC | if you programmed them yourself instead of using the BIOS :) | 00:49 |
| RoyK | well, gotta go - it's late | 00:49 |
| JanC | I think that early 1990s drive I had is either at my parents or thrown away | 00:50 |
| JanC | but that bigfoot from the mid-1990s, I remember it still worked when I tried it about 10 years ago :) | 00:51 |
| beatzz | After upgrading to Ubuntu Server 18.04 Apache2's php capabilities are messed up | 01:13 |
| JanC | if you want help, you probably better explain exactly what is wrong... | 01:14 |
| KurbuntusBain | hey | 03:27 |
| KurbuntusBain | i am an annoying newbie and i got dum questions | 03:27 |
| KurbuntusBain | do i have to instal proftp in ubuntu as a user other than 'root'? and if the anser is yes, why is that? | 03:28 |
| cryptodan | KurbuntusBain: use SFTP via SSHServer | 04:06 |
| KurbuntusBain | ok | 04:14 |
| KurbuntusBain | ill do that | 04:14 |
| KurbuntusBain | im getting everything setup now or at least trying to | 04:14 |
| KurbuntusBain | it's been a rough couple of days, i've got lemp installed and i was able to get vsftpd running now, i need to get dns and email server going what would you suggest? I was told to use power dns and bind, i've downloaded bind aleady | 04:15 |
| cryptodan | I prefer keeping things simple and recommending that | 04:22 |
| KurbuntusBain | so i just got this new dedicated server, it's my first one, what would you say is the coolest thing i can do being new to this | 04:29 |
| KurbuntusBain | what was your favorite part of getting your first dedicvated server? | 04:30 |
| KurbuntusBain | 'dedicated'? | 04:30 |
| KurbuntusBain | (I got this thing just to screw around with and learn btw) | 04:30 |
| cryptodan | KurbuntusBain: getting DNS propagate | 04:33 |
| KurbuntusBain | lol | 04:34 |
| KurbuntusBain | omg, it's giving me shit just tring to instal mariadb | 04:35 |
| KurbuntusBain | See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. | 04:35 |
| KurbuntusBain | guess i have to install BIND first | 04:36 |
| cryptodan | KurbuntusBain: look into running tasksel | 04:39 |
| KurbuntusBain | Ok, cryptodan. Ill check that out. Now this is saying I should have TWO servers? | 04:40 |
| KurbuntusBain | for ns1 and ns2....for reals? | 04:40 |
| cryptodan | yup | 04:40 |
| cryptodan | preferably on separate subnets | 04:40 |
| KurbuntusBain | well that's expensive | 04:40 |
| linuxthefish | don't be silly lol | 04:41 |
| KurbuntusBain | im definitely silly as shit dude | 04:41 |
| KurbuntusBain | im like as new as trump with this stuff | 04:41 |
| linuxthefish | if it's just for playing around having only one nameserver is fine | 04:42 |
| KurbuntusBain | I have a dedicated server at psychz and a vps at vultr | 04:42 |
| linuxthefish | if your domain registrar requires two nameservers (ns1 and ns2), just point them to the same IP on the same server | 04:43 |
| linuxthefish | or use a free DNs service like cloudflare or the place you got your domain from | 04:43 |
| KurbuntusBain | that'll work right? the vps is 10 bucks a month, i mean it is for experimenting but i do need to host my companies website in a month or so and eventually (six mos) I may enter email marketing and run a predictive dialer | 04:43 |
| linuxthefish | yes | 04:44 |
| cryptodan | KurbuntusBain: you better be on the up and up with your hosting skills or else you may end up being fired and your comapny being on several blacklists | 04:46 |
| KurbuntusBain | i have like 4 domains....The main thing I am really trying to accomplish is setup my company's website and have an employee portal to download documents and host a CRM | 04:46 |
| KurbuntusBain | I can't get fired man, I own the company, lol | 04:46 |
| KurbuntusBain | I am just starting out. and I am on the up and up | 04:46 |
| KurbuntusBain | I am a broker in the deregulated energy market | 04:47 |
| KurbuntusBain | I am not a spammer | 04:47 |
| KurbuntusBain | it's all good no bad stuff man | 04:47 |
| KurbuntusBain | eveyrone is doubting me and thiunking im up to something shady it seems lol | 04:48 |
| KurbuntusBain | i know why ...it's because I know little and probably not saying the right words.... | 04:49 |
| KurbuntusBain | I just prefer to do things myself rather than higher people and pay crazy rates | 04:49 |
| KurbuntusBain | I have 5 ip's | 04:50 |
| KurbuntusBain | too | 04:50 |
| KurbuntusBain | I just need guidance | 04:50 |
| linuxthefish | KurbuntusBain it's when you say things like "email marketing and run a predictive dialer" | 04:51 |
| KurbuntusBain | lol, i know | 04:51 |
| linuxthefish | and most people asking these questions are spammers without a budget to pay other people to set stuff up lol | 04:52 |
| KurbuntusBain | i completely understand, but those functionalities can be completely legitimate provided the nmbers are from opt in or dbl opt in lists | 04:52 |
| linuxthefish | if it's an important low traffic website just pay for some decent $5 a month hosting and be done with it | 04:52 |
| KurbuntusBain | and the phone numbers are scrubed to not be on the DNC | 04:52 |
| linuxthefish | good | 04:53 |
| linuxthefish | but in the long run learning how to set stuff up properly will save you a lot of time and money | 04:53 |
| KurbuntusBain | I am prob running ViciDialer and from what I understand that requires a dedicated | 04:53 |
| KurbuntusBain | plus man, i just got a dedicated for $25/month | 04:54 |
| KurbuntusBain | lol, it's a Atom525 but, either way, not a bad deal right?>\ | 04:54 |
| KurbuntusBain | plus eventually i'd like to sell web design and hosting services for to small business | 04:55 |
| KurbuntusBain | $25/mo vs $10/mo for a shared hosting, why not just spend the extra $15 and go dedicated | 04:56 |
| linuxthefish | if all your call agents are in the same building, it will make more sense to run a server there locally | 04:58 |
| linuxthefish | for voip | 04:58 |
| linuxthefish | KurbuntusBain cPanel is the standard for selling web hosting, most clients will expect it | 04:59 |
| linuxthefish | but if set up properly your own web server on a VPS will be a lot better than shared hosting, and cheaper | 05:01 |
| linuxthefish | personally I use lighttpd and mariadb for all my sites, some larger ones but I host my DNS on Amazon Route 53 | 05:02 |
| KurbuntusBain | that's the thing, my reps will be remote | 05:05 |
| KurbuntusBain | most of them at first | 05:05 |
| KurbuntusBain | plus, I've worked at a hosting company before that sold shared hosting and i've seen what can happen | 05:06 |
| linuxthefish | ah ok, yeah your way will be best then | 05:06 |
| KurbuntusBain | one person can bring the whole machine down | 05:07 |
| KurbuntusBain | it's not likeley but it could happen | 05:07 |
| linuxthefish | did they use cloudlinux for cpanel? it can set per user limits for CPU etc | 05:08 |
| KurbuntusBain | i think they used virtuozo or something? | 05:08 |
| KurbuntusBain | I can't remember I didn't need to know too much about the technical side | 05:08 |
| KurbuntusBain | just enough | 05:08 |
| KurbuntusBain | i've used cpanel and whm it's easy | 05:09 |
| linuxthefish | virtuozo is basically a VPS, so the cpanel server was running in a container | 05:09 |
| KurbuntusBain | on my dedicated I can't set it up as a VPS environment because it's so old huh'; | 05:09 |
| linuxthefish | and cheaper license costs haha | 05:10 |
| linuxthefish | KurbuntusBain sure you can! | 05:10 |
| linuxthefish | you can make a few VPS's on your dedicated server, each with their own IP and operating system | 05:10 |
| linuxthefish | but for small servers it's not worth it | 05:11 |
| KurbuntusBain | I looked up the processor specs and saww " Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) ‡ | 05:11 |
| KurbuntusBain | No " | 05:11 |
| KurbuntusBain | and figured that meant to virtual privatge servesr lol | 05:11 |
| linuxthefish | ah, you can still run OpenVZ but not KVM | 05:12 |
| KurbuntusBain | I can get 300 mbs a second internet here at my house, im thinking about just running my own server here | 05:13 |
| linuxthefish | where did you buy your dedicated server from? | 05:13 |
| KurbuntusBain | i got it form psychz | 05:13 |
| linuxthefish | KurbuntusBain that's a bad idea unless it's a business connection and you have a static IP | 05:13 |
| KurbuntusBain | it's usually 70/mo i got a good deal i thnk | 05:14 |
| linuxthefish | https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/servers.xml do some cheap dedicated servers also, but they only have 1 IP | 05:14 |
| linuxthefish | running a server at home is good for learning and messing about, but it's a bad idea for anything business related | 05:15 |
| linuxthefish | and with power and hardware costs you won't save much money if any at all | 05:15 |
| KurbuntusBain | it's got 4gb ram 500gb sata 100mpbs port 30tb/mo and 5 ips, they are going to convert it to 2 512GB SSD's next month for $20 more a monthy | 05:15 |
| linuxthefish | sounds perfect if you are careful with RAM | 05:16 |
| KurbuntusBain | I am running Windows ten on my laptop at home currently, should I convert this thing to a dual boot system you think? | 05:16 |
| linuxthefish | KurbuntusBain don't rush head first into everything lol | 05:17 |
| KurbuntusBain | hahah | 05:17 |
| KurbuntusBain | that's always been my issue | 05:17 |
| linuxthefish | personally I think you should learn the terminal (command line) side of things first, and setting up a web server is the perfect way to start | 05:18 |
| KurbuntusBain | I have oracle vmware already so i was playing around with that | 05:18 |
| KurbuntusBain | you are right | 05:18 |
| KurbuntusBain | how would you sugges being careful with ram | 05:18 |
| KurbuntusBain | because that's not upgradable on this server | 05:18 |
| linuxthefish | KurbuntusBain use lighttpd or nginx for a web server, and configure your mysel server to use less ram | 05:19 |
| linuxthefish | you should be fine even without changing any mysql server settings though | 05:19 |
| KurbuntusBain | cool im using nginx now | 05:20 |
| linuxthefish | perfect! | 05:20 |
| KurbuntusBain | im just now setting up everytihng this nameserver shit is complicatesd | 05:20 |
| linuxthefish | but asterisk for voip can be greedy | 05:20 |
| linuxthefish | KurbuntusBain is this nameservers for your company website? | 05:20 |
| KurbuntusBain | im trying to figure out how to configure the options file for bind as we speak | 05:20 |
| KurbuntusBain | i haven't setup the name servers yet | 05:21 |
| linuxthefish | I suggest using a free DNS service like cloudflare, then if your dedicated server goes down you won't lose the DNS records for all your other servers | 05:21 |
| KurbuntusBain | well i've already bought a few domains | 05:22 |
| KurbuntusBain | i got some through namecheap | 05:22 |
| linuxthefish | did you say you had a VPS from vultr? they have a very good free DNS service | 05:22 |
| KurbuntusBain | yes | 05:23 |
| linuxthefish | KurbuntusBain you can even use namecheap's DNS, but it's kinda crap | 05:23 |
| KurbuntusBain | my | 05:24 |
| linuxthefish | and in the namecheap control panel, you just set the nameservers to ns1.vultr.com and ns2.vultr.com if you are using vultr's DNS | 05:24 |
| KurbuntusBain | namecheap offers a premium dns supposedly ...."Enable PremiumDNS protection in order to switch your domain to our PremiumDNS platform. With our PremiumDNS platform, you get 100% DNS uptime and DDoS protection at the DNS level. | 05:24 |
| linuxthefish | KurbuntusBain don't get that, it's a waste of money and others do it for free and better | 05:24 |
| KurbuntusBain | I gues i did have a custom DNS setup already for klimco.group it's ns3.klimcogroup.com and ns4.klimcogroup.com | 05:25 |
| linuxthefish | for example vultr and cloudflare both have ddos protected DNS, and they are on anycast | 05:25 |
| KurbuntusBain | that's the thing that's a little confusing to me | 05:26 |
| KurbuntusBain | still trying to wrap my head around how dns works.... | 05:27 |
| KurbuntusBain | supposedly I have 20mbps ddos protection on my server with psychsz | 05:27 |
| linuxthefish | you need to add glue records in the namecheap control panel for klimco.group | 05:28 |
| KurbuntusBain | gotcha, then i just point them to my ip address, so why do I need to have a DNS on my dedi? | 05:31 |
| linuxthefish | KurbuntusBain you need to set up glue records if you want to host nameserver on your dedicated server | 05:32 |
| linuxthefish | if you use another dns provider you don't need to set up glue records, you just set the nameservers | 05:33 |
| linuxthefish | it's called "personal dns server" in namecheap settings | 05:35 |
| KurbuntusBain | so if I use cloudfare i am not going to have to pay anything else? | 05:35 |
| linuxthefish | correct KurbuntusBain | 05:35 |
| linuxthefish | you can pay extra money for cloudflare if you want to add special rules or some other stuff, but you won't need it | 05:39 |
| linuxthefish | https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/ | 05:39 |
| linuxthefish | https://i.imgur.com/eEeRW7D.png is how I have one of my test domains set up, cloudflare on the right and namecheap settings on the left | 05:43 |
| ShellcatZero | after upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04, it seems I cannot resolve hostnames on the local network, any ideas? | 07:42 |
| Skuggen | ShellcatZero: Check your /etc/resolv.conf. After installing 18.04 (I used 16.04-based Mint before), I had some trouble with it being overwritten on every boot | 09:02 |
| tomreyn | ShellcatZero: maybe you need to configure a search domain | 10:34 |
| RoyK | Skuggen: iirc it says just that in the file - do you configure the network the old way, as in the interfaces file? | 12:14 |
| daemon | hey all I just shot a youtube video that involved Ubuntu Server 18, I know very little about linux and it did work it jsut had a couple of weird messages: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ego4Lt_t67w the fun starts at around 8:45 with a strange message from grub, if anyone has any idea about that and the strange network config timeout about a minute later from that I would really appreciate clarrification on what it is so I can comment in my | 17:12 |
| daemon | videos correctly for linux installs | 17:12 |
| mrelcee | i have a 17.0.4 install I am trying to upgrade to 18 LTS. i've tried 'do-release-upgrade' and it says no new versions available. yeah I know 17.0.4 is EOL, 16 and 18 wouldn't install in my VM environment properly.. what are my options? | 17:21 |
| tomreyn | mrelcee: did you see what ubottu told you in #ubuntu ? | 17:22 |
| mrelcee | yes | 17:22 |
| tomreyn | and, did you try this? | 17:23 |
| daemon | o/ mrelcee | 17:24 |
| chingus | does host OS manage iptables with docker installed, or does docker manage? | 17:28 |
| mrelcee | tomreyn: I certainly am trying to follow it. | 17:33 |
| mrelcee | getting stuck at sources.list. what is the codename i should be using, bionic? | 17:34 |
| tomreyn | mrelcee: the upgrade path from 17.04 to the next non EOL release (18.04 LTS) would be: 17.10 ("artful"), 18.04 LTS ("bionic"). | 17:35 |
| mrelcee | that helps | 17:36 |
| tomreyn | mrelcee: i think you'll have a better result if you'll just backup and install fresh, though. (but either should work.) | 17:36 |
| mrelcee | fresh install with 18 results in a system i can't boot | 17:37 |
| tomreyn | there's no 'ubuntu 18', should i assume you're referring to ubuntu 18.04 LTS? is that 18.04.0 or 18.04.1? | 17:37 |
| tomreyn | how are you installing, and on what hardware? what's the actual error message when it can't boot | 17:38 |
| tomreyn | please also specify the architecture. is it amd64? if so, uefi or bios boot? | 17:39 |
| mrelcee | ye 18.0.4 LTS | 17:40 |
| mrelcee | yes | 17:40 |
| mrelcee | amd64, uefi, running under bhyve w/freebsd as the host | 17:41 |
| tomreyn | "ubuntu 18.0.4 LTS" does not exist either :-/ | 17:41 |
| tomreyn | hmm, i don't know what "bhyve" is. | 17:42 |
| mrelcee | Please forgive my linux ignorance. I use somethign else day in and day out. 18.4 | 17:43 |
| mrelcee | oh excuse me. 18.04 | 17:43 |
| mrelcee | +LTS | 17:43 |
| tomreyn | so is this "18.04.0 LTS" or "18.04.1 LTS"? | 17:43 |
| RoyK | tomreyn: lsb_release -a | 17:44 |
| RoyK | tomreyn: or cat /etc/os-release | 17:44 |
| tomreyn | RoyK: this is about a non-booting system | 17:44 |
| daemon | mrelcee, if your not using -l | 17:45 |
| RoyK | iirc lsb_release isn't that popular anymore | 17:45 |
| daemon | your not using UEFI mode | 17:45 |
| RoyK | tomreyn: then just check /etc/os-release | 17:45 |
| RoyK | on that system | 17:45 |
| RoyK | finally people have agreed on some small things across distros | 17:46 |
| mrelcee | ok the ISO I grabbed is ubuntu-18.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso. I'm getting confused reading umpteen websites with umpteen versions | 17:46 |
| tomreyn | RoyK: i think you're meaning to address mrelcee here | 17:46 |
| tomreyn | mrelcee: okay, now how does the installation fail? | 17:46 |
| RoyK | tomreyn, sorry. mrelcee please see my comments above | 17:46 |
| tomreyn | mrelcee: isorry, i mean how does booting fail | 17:47 |
| mrelcee | the installation does not fail. It fails to boot after. it just boots to grub> | 17:47 |
| daemon | mrelcee, got teamviewer? | 17:47 |
| tomreyn | mrelcee: do you have multiple storages there? | 17:47 |
| mrelcee | just a single HD image | 17:48 |
| mrelcee | daemon: nope | 17:48 |
| daemon | mrelcee, get to the grub> prompt and type 'ls' | 17:48 |
| daemon | paste the resultsback if there <2 lines long | 17:48 |
| tomreyn | so bhye is a type 2 HV for freebsdm ok | 17:49 |
| tomreyn | *bhyve | 17:49 |
| daemon | tomreyn, if you scroll up to my question when I entered about 30 m ago | 17:49 |
| daemon | tomreyn, that video is ubuntu server in bhyve | 17:49 |
| mrelcee | daeon: I would have to reinstall 18.04.1 LTS to do this troubleshooting with you. I currently have a working 17.04 | 17:50 |
| daemon | mrelcee, ok dokey, well im on the freebsd virtulization mailing list if you wanna give it a try and im not around on irc ;P | 17:50 |
| mrelcee | curiously 16.X LTS and 18.04.1 LTS fail to boot while 17 works just fine | 17:51 |
| tomreyn | daemon: i'm not familiar with bhyve. a web search for "/boot/grub/x86_64-emu" returns two hits, one of which is bhyve related, both are quite old. | 17:51 |
| daemon | tomreyn, ahh so thatIS a bhyve problem, nice now I can ask some questions about it cheers | 17:52 |
| mrelcee | i'm going to back burner this to next sunday. i'm burning my sunday up on this | 17:52 |
| mrelcee | thanks for tryig to help | 17:53 |
| tomreyn | daemon: i dont *know* it's a bhyve issue, but it seems likely to me. | 17:53 |
| daemon | tomreyn, its something kinda odd I run quitea few vm's including gentoo, debian, arch pretty much anything you can imagine | 17:53 |
| daemon | and I have never seen that error before | 17:53 |
| daemon | I wonder if freebsd built bhyve-grub | 17:54 |
| daemon | is an older version and expecting it there | 17:54 |
| daemon | but surely gentoo would have kicked up the same warning | 17:55 |
| tomreyn | daemon: i'm not enough into grub to provide a more qualified response, i'm afraid. maybe come back here during the week during uk business hours if you'd like a more qualified response | 17:55 |
| daemon | tomreyn, any idea about the network thing about a minute after | 17:55 |
| daemon | thatis deffinetly in the linux setup its self | 17:55 |
| tomreyn | daemon: the ip address assigned to the system via dhcp is one of general electrics, that's correct? | 17:57 |
| daemon | tomreyn, yep | 17:57 |
| daemon | tomreyn, usually use the US militaries space | 17:58 |
| tomreyn | well you surely know what you're doing ther ;) | 17:58 |
| tomreyn | and this mac address is only used once? | 17:58 |
| daemon | yep | 17:58 |
| daemon | well thats a lie | 17:59 |
| daemon | as you can see it was assigned to the gentoo image | 17:59 |
| daemon | but that gentoo image is not booted when I am doing that | 17:59 |
| tomreyn | ok | 17:59 |
| daemon | all I can figure is its waiting for a SLAAC announce | 18:00 |
| RoyK | <slightlyofftopic> https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40549824_2260770083936357_7347757761402241024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=d3ad9466353a2208594ac2316cc22ad0&oe=5C3206E6 </slightlyofftopic> | 18:00 |
| daemon | hehe | 18:00 |
| daemon | epoch or bust :) | 18:01 |
| tomreyn | daemon: maybe. i couldnt tell what it's doing from the output provided there. you'll have a log somewehre in /var/log post installation | 18:01 |
| daemon | lemme fire it up | 18:01 |
| tomreyn | daemon: this 'server live' installer is still quite new, and while it's the default now, it still suffers from a few bugs | 18:01 |
| daemon | yeah but thats not in hte install step | 18:01 |
| daemon | thats it booting from the hard disk | 18:02 |
| tomreyn | daemon: there's an alternative installer, which is the old "debian-installer" based installer | 18:02 |
| RoyK | tomreyn: the fun thing about ubuntu, is that a new installer, practically a beta, is selected as the default installer for an LTS version of the OS, which intentionally, it should seem, would be stable… | 18:02 |
| daemon | I only picked it to help thato ther guy out earlier lol | 18:03 |
| tomreyn | daemon: right, i'm just guiuessing that maybe the installer didn't configure your network properly, but that's really just a wild guess. | 18:03 |
| daemon | net detection script is about to fail and continue booting | 18:03 |
| daemon | bang on 2 minutes | 18:03 |
| daemon | it fails over | 18:03 |
| tomreyn | RoyK: i'm very aware of the irony. | 18:03 |
| * RoyK uses debian on servers | 18:03 | |
| daemon | ok I ahve /var/log's which file would you need | 18:04 |
| tomreyn | daemon: i don't rmemeber which is the exact log file. i could look it up in a VM if you can't identify it | 18:04 |
| daemon | grep -ri dhcp . | 18:05 |
| tomreyn | personally i don't *need* this file. ;) | 18:05 |
| daemon | shows hits on | 18:05 |
| daemon | ./syslog | 18:05 |
| daemon | ./installer/installer-journal.txt | 18:05 |
| daemon | ./cloud-init.log | 18:05 |
| daemon | its ipv6 | 18:06 |
| daemon | its waiting for an address to be announced and neighbour discovery | 18:06 |
| tomreyn | it's /var/log/installer | 18:06 |
| tomreyn | not sure which one there exactly | 18:07 |
| daemon | /var/log/installer | 18:07 |
| tomreyn | my limited understanding there si that subiquity is mostly the UI, curtin does the configuration stuff. | 18:07 |
| daemon | Sep 02 16:23:54 ubuntu-server curtin_log.1730[2087]: Running command ['sh', '-c$ | 18:07 |
| daemon | Sep 02 16:24:30 ubuntu-server curtin_event.1730[2420]: finish: cmd-install/stag$ | 18:07 |
| daemon | no thats not 2 minutes | 18:08 |
| daemon | hmm | 18:08 |
| tomreyn | daemon: oh that's a misunderstanding | 18:08 |
| daemon | ./installer-journal.txt:Sep 02 16:23:52 ubuntu-server systemd[1]: dev-disk-by\x2duuid-00c629d6\x2d06ab\x2d4dfd\x2db21e\x2dc3186f34105d.device: Job dev-disk-by\x2duuid-00c629d6\x2d06ab\x2d4dfd\x2db21e\x2dc3186f34105d.device/start failed with result 'timeout'. | 18:08 |
| daemon | would it be that? | 18:08 |
| tomreyn | i'm trying to help you identify the installers' log files, to see whether something was incorrectly configured regarding networking | 18:08 |
| daemon | ah | 18:08 |
| tomreyn | daemon: the installed system boots to /var/log/syslog indeed | 18:09 |
| daemon | what I should do is boot it and record the exact time | 18:10 |
| daemon | I know it freezes two minutes | 18:10 |
| daemon | then I can grep the timestamp | 18:10 |
| tomreyn | you can also try tab completion for all of: systemctl status network | 18:10 |
| tomreyn | so hit double tab after typing 'network' | 18:10 |
| tomreyn | one of those should report an error, and if it does, it should explain how to get more logs | 18:11 |
| daemon | 19:11:07 | 18:11 |
| daemon | ok lets try both :) | 18:11 |
| daemon | love a good mystery | 18:11 |
| tomreyn | you can also correclate to "dmesg -T" output | 18:11 |
| daemon | https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkvwG6Qrk79x3EBwIhboTO6Iejoc | 18:12 |
| daemon | the intersting bit is | 18:12 |
| daemon | looking atthe messages above it | 18:12 |
| daemon | it reached everything it needed to | 18:12 |
| tomreyn | actually on your video it says how to get more information on the failed systemd target | 18:14 |
| tomreyn | systemctl status systemd-networkd-wait-online.service | 18:15 |
| daemon | See 'systemctl status systemd-networkd-wait-online.service' for details. | 18:15 |
| daemon | Starting Initial cloud-init job (metadata service crawler)... | 18:15 |
| daemon | yep lets take a peek | 18:15 |
| daemon | oddly that is the EXACT service I just found a 2 minute wait in | 18:15 |
| daemon | looking for datasources | 18:15 |
| tomreyn | "systemd-analyze blame" and "systemd analyze critical-chain" would probably confirm this, too. | 18:16 |
| tomreyn | i'm not sure how much you're into systemd | 18:16 |
| daemon | never used it before | 18:17 |
| daemon | I have quite a few production systems but there all: FreeBSD, Slackware, Gentoo or Windows-Server | 18:17 |
| tomreyn | it inits services in paralellel, wherever possible | 18:17 |
| daemon | well skip thatthe gentoo are more for fun | 18:17 |
| tomreyn | also i'd do a "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" to be sure you got the latest updates installed. maybe that'll help fix the issue. | 18:19 |
| daemon | https://paste.ee/p/42kGD | 18:19 |
| tomreyn | so the root cause seems to be "systemd-networkd-wait-online[688]: Event loop failed: Connection timed out" - whatever that means | 18:21 |
| daemon | updating did not help either issue | 18:21 |
| daemon | seems so odd | 18:21 |
| tomreyn | there are plenty of related bug reports, if you do a web search for it (omitting the pid in squre brackets, obviously) | 18:22 |
| daemon | yeah | 18:22 |
| daemon | its doing something itsexpecting a response to | 18:22 |
| daemon | but its not getting | 18:22 |
| daemon | perhaps some broadcast announce | 18:22 |
| tomreyn | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=869995 this would match what you suggested might be the issue | 18:22 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 869995 in systemd "interface stuck in "configuring" if SLAAC prefix announced with preferred lifetime zero" [Normal,Fixed] | 18:22 |
| daemon | I should drop a rta-dvd daemon on thatvirtual network | 18:23 |
| daemon | see if giving it ipv6 does anything | 18:23 |
| daemon | can I disable this cloud thing | 18:25 |
| daemon | cloud-init | 18:25 |
| daemon | meh anyhow :) its sunday so time to actually commit the work I was meant to commit last monday | 18:26 |
| daemon | thanks for the help guys! | 18:26 |
| tomreyn | the above bug should already be fixed in the ubuntu 18.04.1 systemd version, so it'ds going to be something else. | 18:27 |
| tomreyn | welcome, daemon | 18:27 |
| === mundus2018 is now known as mundus | ||
| uplime | hello all! I just installed ubuntu-18.04 server as a vm on my laptop, with 2 network interfaces defined: a bridged interface and a host only adapter. i can talk to the vm over the host-only interface just fine, but the primary bridged interface, which is setup to use DHCP, doesn't want to pass any traffic. Any way to fix that? | 21:28 |
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